Dear lurking EN3's

[Anonymous No.]

Remember, the rules are extremely simple and it costs nothing to obey them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
There's nothing wrong with men

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
kys lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
>Suisei
you subhuman don't even watch her shit, do you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
True and based

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
>Happy and love streaimng
Mori
>Depressed and spiteful (not a whore though)
Gura

Huh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
I wonder which one is this one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222741
>There's nothing wrong with men
There's something legit wrong with a western male that wants to be a vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to hug Mumei and thank her for all the stuff she does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222826
AAIIIEE

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Based dubs of truth, expect the trannies to come streaming in like flies to shit screaming how it's our fault they can't draw a crowd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222741
>>54222757
>>54222792
BrownVTM seethe

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222870
One of the twins but it's random which one every stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222870
The boss bitch herself

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Sorry incels but i will collab with everyone in Tempus

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
remember don't listen to /vt/, just be honest with your fans from

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Shut up manchild faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>End up like Suisei
>Collabs with males
>One of the top holos
Anon if you're gonna make this thread maybe edit out Suisei's name. Not a good example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
It’s really simple really

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222870
Probably the loli princess, since the post mentions incel pedophiles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Western women are spiteful whores by nature
They will do male collabs just to fuck with you OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222870
bratty loli needs correction

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine thinking you know how chuubas actually feel like. Retards

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222870
Be honest Anon, you screencapped your own baitpost didn't you?

>>54223349
>Shut up manchild faggot
Awww does the cranky wittle Tempusister need to suck on a bottle of cyanide?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222961
You are a waste of natural resources. Nobody likes you and that's why you lack understanding of normal human interactions. Don't push your loneliness and schizophrenia in someone else, Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222741
Not with men, male vtubers, i watch plenty of male content creators but i wouldn’t be caught dead watching a male vtuber or any girl who associates with them

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223560
>BrownVTM drone is shitting itself with rage

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222826
Mori JUST put out a song about hating herself and what she does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222904
There is legit something wrong with a western man watching vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

my wife is not a whore

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Most indies have mori as their role model
Also
>suisei
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222741
I used to think that until I saw tempiss and the nijis

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Praying for Advent to be the first Anti unicorn wave

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222741
>>54223577
What makes male vtubers so bad? When it comes to flesh tubers, its the other way around, female flesh vtubers are shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223728
you're right she's a based BBC enjoyer

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223765
It's called acting anon

[Anonymous No.]

EN3 here. I'm going to collab with Axel after the collab ban, and there's nothing you're can do about it. <3

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223743
Which is why they're in the shitter or they're like Enna.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222870
It's a shitpost, it wasn't any of them. What am I saying, people wouldn't just go on the itnernet and tell lies

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223804
>What makes male vtubers so bad
Mostly jealousy, but to be honest a lot of them aren't good content creators and don't even try to improve, this also goes for a lot of female indies in EN

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222826
>Depressed and spiteful (not a whore though)
>Gura
Nobody knows why the fuck Gura doesn't stream except for Gura herself but there's no indication that it's out of depression or spite. That's your fanfiction, sisterchama.

>>54223721
Western men can only be saved by the purifying light of cute girls doing cute things.

[Anonymous No.]

EN3 here, reminder that God loves you and go to church :3

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Mori got a tie-up with ONE PIECE and TK just wrote a song for her - of course the weebs applying to Hololive want to be like her? Imagine thinking people apply to Hololive wanting to have a career as unremarkable as Fauna or Mumei

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223577
Fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223399
Based unicorn chad

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223941
Axel here. Fuck off I don't date trannies.

[Anonymous No.]

The seethe is palpable.
Going to laugh my ass off when the cunny is the first to collab with Tempus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223891
so acting like a cunt is considered a good thing? I see why everything is fucked up

[Anonymous No.]

We get this fucking thread and subsequent pointless retard debate 50 times every day. At this point I'm begging you to please post about anything else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223941
>>54224069
Also Axel here. Speak Japanese or fuck off you whore. I have rprs japanese daughters coming after me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223891
Mysta must have great acting with his menhera then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54224022
>Mori got a tie-up with ONE PIECE
Which completely failed to boost her viewership.
>TK just wrote a song for her
Which is underperforming like a motherfucker. In other words Tempus is such a debuff that they actually cancel out a TK collab and even a ONE PIECE collab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
>Happy and loves streaming
>Fauna Ina
>Who had to take multiple breaks because of streaming stress
Meanwhile Mori just finished her 24thon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54224225
This retard actually thinks collabing with Tempus is the reason her numbers are low.
Newsflash: ALL of HoloENs CCV is down. Yes, even Gura.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223853
tbf i'm also an enjoyer of British Babe Cunnilingus

[Anonymous No.]

>>54224225
>Which is underperforming like a motherfucker
Mainly due to her horrendous rap. Nobody can save that shitty rap, not even TK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54224382
Mori's viewership crashed ridiculously hard in particular and I'm blaming Tempus for it specifically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
ame was depressed and spiteful years before holostars even debuted

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Bae gets treated well clearly loves streaming. She gets considerably less shitposting here than Gura, or even Kiara.
Fauna also had a little fuck up not too long ago regarding her simplings and the fact that they are not, and should not, be friends.
The golden rule is even simpler: don't remind your viewers they are autist losers. They will defend you tooth and nail if you can follow that simple rule, no matter what you do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Remarkable that in this saturated industry whores just can't behave and respect that their majority male audience won't care to witness them flirting with some insignificant piece of shit on stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54224679
>The golden rule is even simpler: don't remind your viewers they are autist losers.
It really is this simple, above all else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222826
>not a whore though
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.]

>>54224679
It's presumptuous of the bitch to assume that they would even want to be her friend when they see her physical appearance and discover her gross habits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54224679
Bae is cool . Which is why she isn’t included in the op at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>54224016
Thanks sister, God bless and good luck on your debut

[Anonymous No.]

>>54224225
Lol more /#/ cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
I'm willing to bet that those that collabed with males are happier than those that didnt

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder to ignore this schizo place, never interact, never acknowledge its existence, never ego search yourself.
Be honest and even if you collab with males no one is going to give a fuck outside of schizos, and if you don't collab with males ignore homobeggers also.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54224922
You might want to read what is on OP's image, bud.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54225137
>I'm willing to bet that those that collabed with males are happier than those that didnt
>Source: the voices in my head that start talking to me when I inject too many female hormones

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223804
Hi there Anonymous user!
I will attempt to answer your question in the best way possible.

Quite simply, entertainers/content creators don't need an avatar or a pretty look to draw in a crowd. The content is what counts.
Many content creators have adapted or simply improved their content over the years. If they grow stagnant or become forgotten, they will inevitably receive less attention on the entertainment sphere. They will move on from the internet, or adapt to it. There is also the option of carving out a niche that you specifically like, and simply hope that people will watch.

Examples of successful male content creators/entertainers:
>Bo Burnham
>RussianBadger
>Tally Hall
>Meat Loaf
>OperatorDrewski
>Ahoy By Stuart Brown
>Norm Macdonald
>xQc
>Ibai
>Kai Cenat
>Brendon Small
>forsen

Please remember that these are my personal opinion and views about the subject you brought up. They cannot and should not be taken as fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54224679
>Men are easy: Just be nice to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54225220
Oh . Well I feel baes hardly ever talked shit for because she actually streams and works hard. If you do shit on bae it’s a stretch

[Anonymous No.]

>>54225165
>even if you collab with males no one is going to give a fuck outside of schizos
Do not listen to this Anon. Collabing with males will permanently fracture your community, limit your growth, and make a lot of your paypigs( probably your best ones) fuck off forever. Meanwhile, you lose absolute nothing by never collabing with males.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222741
But there's something wrong with women, so it's imperative we don't allow them to be whores.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
meds or just kys op

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222741
t. 0view

[Anonymous No.]

>>54225443
>sister livid at OP for being right
Many such cases

[Anonymous No.]

>>54224004
CGDCT is pure degeneracy for weak men. Some autismo (male) using an anime avatar is the least of the west's problems when you have faggots throwing bitch fits over some ethot they want to throw money at because she interacts with males.

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>>54225341
Nina and Kiara have very similar track records.
Both hated for PL shit.
The way they carried themselves caused controversy.
Nina had the Luxiem cocksleeve fuck up where she was just an accessory.
Both however turned it around by grinding it out focusing on what fans want rather than on what makes waves on Twitter or dumb shit like that.

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>>54223804
Because in an industry filled with autistic socially stunted women somewhat the few notable dudes end up looking like the biggest drama queens and menhera bitches. While also being utterly talentless and creatively bankrupt.
And the only people who watch them are crazy femcels who time and time again prove to be the absolute worst and most cancerous fanbase in the whole community.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Anon if you told women not to eat sand they'd do it to show how "strong" they are. This isn't going to work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54225341
Shes not wrong though.
Any average-looking and above woman who gives me even the slightest amount of praise/attention and Im like putty in their hands.
Yes, I am 'that' attention starved.

[Anonymous No.]

This clown things actual hololive members lurk on 4 chan. Hahahahhahaa

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
This has that same vibe of those passive aggressive “just a gentle reminder guys….” Twitter posts
It’s annoying in a special way

[Anonymous No.]

>>54226257
Shut up mori

[Anonymous No.]

>>54226257
You must be 18 years of age or older to post /here/ ESLchama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54225720
Yes right. Strong men watch gay asian faggots talk about sucking dicks and then crying on stream that life is too hard.
Or applaud said ethot for not even being able to play vidya a few hours per week behind an anime avatar without being a turbo slut and shitting on her fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
DON'T COLLAB WITH MALES

it's that fucking simple

[Anonymous No.]

>>54226433
>Immediately talks about gays
???
Real men will actually fight for their love instead of cower on an internet image board

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
>Don't collab with males
Jesus. Imagine being so mentally fragile and insecure that the mere idea of a female you like interacting with a male causes you to have a mental breakdown. I hope they all have Chad boyfriends that they get dicked down by every night, just because I know the thought of that scenario will drive most of you to tears because you can't bear the thought of it. Pathetic weaklings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54225720
>CGDCT is pure degeneracy for weak men. Some autismo (male) using an anime avatar is the least of the west's problems when you have faggots throwing bitch fits over some ethot they want to throw money at because she interacts with males.
Imagine how mentally fucked up a person has to be to think this way. I just feel sorry for you, Anon.

[Anonymous No.]

the ones that don't collab with males on stream, are collabing with males off-stream. get what I mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
The only thing I want from a vtuber is someone who is entertaining and mentally stable. Yes, the bar is low

[Anonymous No.]

>>54226402
You know that won't stop them from doing it, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54226560
homobeggar spotted

[Anonymous No.]

>>54226560
Hololive is about cute girls doing cute things. Don't like it? Then fuck off to Nijisanji EN and gorge yourself on all the trash your heart desires.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54226647
No esl chama, elaborate

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600

[Anonymous No.]

>>54226647
Proof?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Based and redpilled.
>>54222741
Cringe and bluepilled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54226667
I'm aware.
Maybe the embarrassment from getting called out will at the very least improve their shit grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
>Suisei
>Bae
You fucking buffoon.

[Anonymous No.]

EN3 won't magically boost HoloEN or save HoloEN's number unless it manages to break into the mainstream market the way Kobo did with HoloID. How did Kobo do it? She did it by connecting to mainstream content creators and collabing with them. The important part here is that she didn't specially chose those who are of specific gender. She simply chose those who has sizable clout to expand HoloID mindshare.

This approach makes sense because generally speaking, the majority of content creators, especially those at the top of the chain tend to be men. Restricting your collab partner to women only would severely limit your reach and market penetration.

The reason I brought this up is because I have seen a lot of people suggesting EN3 not to collab with males. This is often brought out as a means of ensuring EN3's success. But the reality is that unless EN3 can breach into mainstream market, HoloEN will remain stagnant and ENbox wouldn't be sufficient to carry the new hire without potentially cannibalising existing fanbases.

I'll admit that collabing with Holostar won't be very beneficial to them, but to restrict them from collabing with males at all would severely hamper their potential growth. It's necessary for them to break out to a bigger market and audience, and to do that, interaction with males especially male content creators, is simply unavoidable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Even an ape with half a brain can understand those rules. Youre not worse than a retarded ape are you gen3?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223592
Who's Brown?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54226560
Can you keep your cuck fantasies to yourself at least? Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Though uncouth its premise is correct

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
>Stream and Ignore Males
It's that easy. Because at the end of the day, it's us that buy your merch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54227327
>merch
bad example cause some homocollabers actually do great on merch. Just say ccv.

[Anonymous No.]

The rules are as follows. "Don't lurk here."

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
I want to fuck the one with the exposed tummy (her sister can join if she wishes) But seriously, hope you do great in Hololive. Interact with the JP and ID branches so you can have more friends, and hope you release many covers and original songs that all of us will love.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54226982
EN3 will save Holo EN if they do two things: stream consistently and don't collab with males.
>break into the mainstream market the way Kobo did
Kobo never broke into the mainstream. She's doing well for herself but her success still stems from the niche vtuber market.
>How did Kobo do it?
By being a blue kusogaki who sounds like she's 5 years old.
>She did it by connecting to mainstream content creators and collabing with them
Wrong answer. Kobo was a runaway hit from the moment she debuted. Her success didn't stem from collabing with anyone.
>Restricting your collab partner to women only would severely limit your reach and market penetration.
Tempus has proven that intergender collabs bring absolutely no reach, no market penetration, no benefits whatsoever.
>to restrict them from collabing with males at all would severely hamper their potential growth
Male collabs impede growth.

I can tell you worked hard on your homobegging post. Sorry to tear it apart so easily kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Stop parroting this utterly retarded rethoric. You put Suisei there among the "good, non-male collabers", are you fucking stupid? Bae also doesn't get nearly as shitposted with as the others, and is super beloved inside the company as a whole, and you ignore other male collabers like Towa are doing just fine as well.
And before a numbertranny shows up going "b-b-but look at their numbers!!!", IRyS is getting shit numbers as a whole, Kiara is explicitly on the no-males side and is also getting shit numbers, and Fauna and Ina had a bunch of retards shitting up the board a few weeks ago. It unironically boils down to what >>54224679 said and not this retarded "hurr no males!!" angle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54227327
Suisei and Towa are huge merch sellers.

[Anonymous No.]

dear lurking EN3s if you are reading this I beg of you to try to get Fauna and Mori involved in a ASMR collab if you do ASMR

[Anonymous No.]

>>54227391
>homocollabers actually do great on merch
That's news to Kronii

[Anonymous No.]

sorry chud, you are not welcome here anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
This is the true answer: >>54227491
And OP conveniently chose to not screencap the thread that had it as the first response

[Anonymous No.]

>>54227628
Does Mori do ASMR? Is it "bro did you just fart rn?"

[Anonymous No.]

Oh good. More seething about Mori from people who don't watch her. Nice thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222870
Sound like a twitchfaggot shitpost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54226982
Do you honestly think any of the parasocial incels raging about their oshi collabing with a man is going to read this post?

[Anonymous No.]

Bro, come on. At least save the insults for in-person meetings. If you'd like to insult them, you cannot simply do that in the comfort of your own home. You know, talk the talk, walk the walk. Please at least have a measured and thoughtful response, like if you're being talked to by plainclothes police officers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54227882
No need to seethe when she does it herself.
>six feet under
Also, holy fuck, TK is wasted with those shitty raps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54227742
Nta but she does and it's pretty good
None of that ironic detachment shit with it, her recent sleepy rambles ASMR is very nice and probably the most GFE content in all of EN, ironically enough

[Anonymous No.]

The solution is to castrate all male vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>54228232
Not gonna happen. Femcels. Trannies neck yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
I'm cringing so hard as i read this, my sides

[Anonymous No.]

>>54228028
So true sis

[Anonymous No.]

>>54227683
homobeggar
>never buy merch or membership
>never watch stream or vod
>only watches if there only male x female collab
>yet scream the loudest in their chat making them disgusted
There a reason why kronii mod ban any holostar mention in her chat, you guys acting like cancer. Yes they ban any mention of them out of nowhere

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Dear EN3:
Please don't follow advice from dudes who have never fucked a woman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54228570
aka (You)

[Anonymous No.]

>>54225329
>>Bo Burnham
>>RussianBadger
>>Tally Hall
>>Meat Loaf
>>OperatorDrewski
>>Ahoy By Stuart Brown
>>Norm Macdonald
>>xQc
>>Ibai
>>Kai Cenat
>>Brendon Small
>>forsen
LITERALLY who

[Anonymous No.]

Do whatever, just remember what happened to Kronii's merch sales

[Anonymous No.]

>>54228088
Reddit gif

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Based and accurate, especially now that the coof is over you will not be given the same massive boost EN 1 got without earning it with cgdct content
Actually this is kinda nice, a rugpull Cuba like mori or kronii is less likely now

[Anonymous No.]

>>54228650
cope and seethe

[Anonymous No.]

Come one guys, not all vtubers are bad. I mean, Space Ghost only got with Bjorn one time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54228232
Impossible. Male vtubers are dickless by default.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54228977
Dilate

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Dear EN3
Remember what your predecessor have to go through and undo everything. From collab spam to no collab because it's not worth it having a headache from collabbeggar. Also the moment you entertain them with the homo, you will be cursed to be tied with them, your growth are their accomplishment, kronii success are tied to vesper, ame success are tied to regis. You only an accessories to bringing them up. Remember, nobody like holostar scrub because their success only tied to the name of hololive while nobody would criticise if you collab with high value guy that bring success to you or sponsorship.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54228570
Dear EN3:
Most of your audience are dudes who've never fucked a woman and dudes who've fucked a woman and deeply regretted it. Listen to their advice exclusively.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229079
Suisei success proves otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54228759
Just remember what happened to Kronii in general

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229149
>nobody like holostar scrub because their success only tied to the name of hololive while nobody would criticise if you collab with high value guy that bring success to you or sponsorship.
>nobody would criticise if you collab with high value guy
>high value guy
Aka popular person that bringing value, not diminishing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229016
That's what gay trannies like you do, cry moar

[Anonymous No.]

cringe

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229217
she got saddled with psychopathic schizoid """""""""fans""""""" through zero fault of her own?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229336
core

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229303
>Aka popular person that bringing value, not diminishing it.
AKA nobody in Tempus

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229303
There a reason nobody make a fuss when gura mention matpat. And holo attending a sponsorship with male vtuber because they bringing value to their channel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229350
>fanbase reflects the oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
I'm convinced none of you are adults

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229319
>nuh uh you're the tranny
Cringe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229401
Funny, that's exactly what a child would say

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Dear members of EN3 do not listen to OP as he gets no bitches. Just have fun as we look forward to seeing what you can all do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229401
Do you watch anime girls talking to the camera as if you're friends, as entertainment?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
There's nothing more unappealing than following every whims of spiteful and schizophrenic brown men who loves lying and are obsessed with negativity. As if there's anything good to come out of that.

[Anonymous No.]

>idol

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
base

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229611
Exactly. Never listen to homobeggers.

>>54229641
tl;dr

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Dear EN3,
Be yourself or the kayfabe you feel comfortable with. Otherwise, you'll start hating your job...and it will show.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54224004
There are people on that list that streams just fine everyday and have normal interactions with fan on the regular basis, and according to you tards thats depression. Then there's Gura who ghosts her fans for months at a time and return without a single explanation, and yet that's a happy streamer. Brains of fuckwits who think up that list couldn't be any smaller.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229707
rad

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229872
so true sis!

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222741
Based take

>>54222600
Basedboi take

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229641
Literally only correct post ITT

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222741
Correct. Male Vtubers on the other hand. Something is very wrong with them

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229641
Good picture, will save to throw at schizos as needed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54228735
I agree with you, mostly, but wow imagine not knowing who Bo Burnham is. How young are you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229752
>Be yourself
Within reason. If you don't put a filter on yourself you'll end up being a fucking mess like Kronii.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229641
this post reeks of estrogen

[Anonymous No.]

>>54225329
>breeding and glorifying retards
even Doja Cat knows you're retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>54230099
Nta, I don't know who Bo Burnham is, but I do know who Norm Macdonald is.
He would have made a godtier zatsu chuuba

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229641
Holy fuck this is so accurate that it hurts

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229641
Yeah, Fauna "does" GFE, but she it's not like she "is" GFE--a big difference. Gura's just a grifter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223399
are the two "and"'s intentional

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229641
>>54230055
>>54230284
>>54230096
>doesn't get a reaction to his failed the first time he posts it
>resorts to samefagging
Grim

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229872
Gura keeping things private has worked out. She's back as if nothing has happened.
Learn from Gura on how to avoid drama.

Don't forget that she had streamed consistently for over 2 years, before her long breaks. Used to complain often how much was backlogged behind the scenes. Seems she got much out of the way (personal and job related) and is now happy about it. Didn't even turn on superchats the last two streams. Still has that 3D Live planned this year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54230527
I am none of your quoted anons—or any of the replies—and I agree with everything in that image, but I also hate holoEN, so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54230527
I'm only the second guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54230527
Yes I'm all of those

Problem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54228530
respect your talents bigot

[Anonymous No.]

>>54230527
damn, got me

[Anonymous No.]

>>54226982
kobo still unable breach nomie market at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>54230610
Doesn't this implies she has zero trust in her fanbase? Better to keep everything in the dark cus she thinks chumbubs are more likely to ruin everything than not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54230396
>mirror

[Anonymous No.]

>>54230887
>the replies and even that post too
heh

[Anonymous No.]

Consistent streaming is key. You don't have to be insane like Kaela or Koyori to be successful (though it clearly does work.) Try to look for a weekly timeslot and be there as often as you can. People's lives are real busy make it easy for them to remember to come see you at that time. Also don't worry too much about overlapping other mems your new member shine will mog anyone except probably Gura, the shark is bulletproof.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54226982
Gura didn't pander to anyone

[Anonymous No.]

>>54224679
>>54224778
>I'll give credit to kronii for being a master of tiptoeing around this.
>The golden rule is even simpler: don't remind your viewers they are autist losers.
I remember in one of her earlier streams, where she mentioned she was having problems, and she got a superchat saying that while things are bad for her, at least she isn't in as bad of shape as her viewers. (Heavily implying that everyone, including the supa sender himself was a loser.)
Her response was just everyone goes through their own personal trials and that that the opposite of success isn't failure, but doing nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
OP is the biggest whore. He's a toy to old, balding men.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54230991
>the shark is bulletproof.
Which is such a shame since her """content""" sucks so hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54230951
? just "?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Why did that faggot include Suisei and Miko? Is something wrong with that dumb fuck? And how exactly is Gura a whore? Just not streaming? This retard is fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54230943
Never trust your fanbase.
Love them, but never do as they say. The loudest are the most schizo. They may have the best intentions, but will only restrict your growth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54230885
>homobeggar failed reading comprehension
I can shit on you cancer freely though. And kronii does ban any cancer homobegger in her chat, so i guess it not wrong based on her decision to shit on you guys.

[Anonymous No.]

Man, I'm just happy that EN is getting something. As long as the streamers are happy and putting up consistent content I'll be satisfied.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231208
kek you literally are not allowed anymore, otherwise you're not a holofan just a faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>54225341
Is it wrong that I want Nina in hololive? We need an actual hag in EN. Plus she made a great troll, but did it in a way where you couldn't begrudge her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1uD6Cs4Ts0&t=6153s

[Anonymous No.]

Why sister crying in this thread? Does the arrival of EN3 make your homo irrelevant or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231271
Lol i can though, i can mention any hologirl name, while you faggot got instaban mention any homo now. That first week was funny seeing people mentioning vesper name got deleted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231198
Name one example of a vtuber growing because she didn't trust her fanbase.

[Anonymous No.]

THEY WILL REFER, CALL, AND TREAT MY BOI HAKKLINGZ AS THEIR SENPAI
THEY WILL COLLAB WITH HIM
YOU CAN SEETHE NOW

[Anonymous No.]

>>54224679
The Gura and Kiara antis don't even care about Hololive, nobody who literally floods the catalog on end for a year regardless of whether she's streaming or not is anywhere close to being sane. It's no measure of anything and to assume that is absolute retardation on top of other things like being much more popular/well-known.

[Anonymous No.]

What triggered the schizo?

[Anonymous No.]

All unicorns deserve the rope, kys faggots

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231429
Nyanners

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231572
>All unicorns deserve the rope
Yeah so we can use it to hang homobeggers with

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231286
Yeah she's in they're giving her the loli model

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231572
>buzzwords

You first retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222870
Holy shit those words are cringy af. Set the wanning alarms, code red. TEKI TEKI! We got a western bitch. Diversity? wtf is this weirdo talking about in terms of an anime avatar? And I'm black and latino. Inclusion of whom? This type of shitty talk always mean nasty ass faggots, lesbians, and trannies.
>incel pedophiles
That doesn't even begin to make any sense.
If this is legit she should be easy to spot by her voice alone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231429
Asmongold.
They were crying when he was going out of the Blizzard Box. Now look where he is now.

Gura ignores the whining bitches to tweet more. They are retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231046
and then turned it all around for the homos pantsu, so much wasted potential

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222870
>believing a shitpost

get help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231627
Elaborate. The last I knew of Nyanners she was collabing with her boyfriend and bleeding viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

At the very least if you're going to collab with those homostars / male e celeb / twitchniggers please don't drag others into your shit

[Anonymous No.]

Find something that you are passionate about and stick to it till you have a solid fanbase. Being known for something will let people have a reference to talk about. Its boring if you don't have anything that stands out.
Endurance, Speedruns, Ultra Active, Singing, Chatting about a topic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54230943
You clearly have never been part of a fanbase to not know that even one schizo among millions of normal people can shit things up

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
dear lurking EN3's do the opposite of these

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231763
still happening (I think, I don't really watch much of her)--I meant before that point, after her 4chan arc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231627
she back-stabbed them twice

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231705
Kronii is textbook wasted potential.
I'd compare her to Hana from NijiID where they both had a chance to take off big and carry their respective gen/branch but ran away from their duty.
At least in Kronii's case, it just meant the stagnation of a branch. Hana's cowardice resulted in the destruction of her branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
>>54223399
What if I just crave dick?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231688
>Asmongold.
I'm talking about female vtubers, Anon.
>Gura
She isn't growing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223956
That doesn't even make any logical sense fucking moron. Don't confuse your hatred as opinionated fact deluded dumb ass.

[Anonymous No.]

Sisters do not falter to those who push you into collabing with males, this is your golden ticket, once in a life time opportunity, seize the glory

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231688
>Name one example of a vtuber
>Asmongold
????????
Anon, are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231772
Even genuine interest in a topic can be enough. It's not like men are watching cute girls for competence

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231198
100% Agree
People don't like change, so if any vtuber find something that they are comfortable with and majority of their fans will like, but find it hard to convert cause of loud people who cant let go

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231857
the first one succeeded, the second one definitely failed

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
>Don't mess with Muh Noviophobia or YOU WILL PAY!! ARGHHHHHHHH CURSE THAT CLYDE CASH!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231688
>asmongold
Not a vtuber
>Gura ignores the whining bitches to tweet more. They are retarded.
More like she ignore people who want her to collab with homo every single time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231957
Asmon papa is now a vtuber, you can also call him Asmon-chan

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231997
t. EOP

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231860
Hana's failure is still so surprising--and disappointing--to me. She was doing so well, she had a real strong pull, and now she's at the same level as other post-ID nijis. I mean, that lewd girl who always does EN collabs is the biggest ID now-

[Anonymous No.]

>>54232089
See, even Asmon is able to change. His fans were notorious on shitting on anything anime related. Times have changed, for the better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231705
Yeah she forgot that reminding pathetic losers that they are pathetic losers was in fact very easy.
Like talking to a guy reminding them that they will never talk to a girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231198
But the loudest in chat are the homobeggar, so it's true not to trust them.

[Anonymous No.]

>holo vs holo

[Anonymous No.]

>>54232124
retard

[Anonymous No.]

The reality is that /vt/ is just a small, vocal and schizophrenic portion of any given vtuber's community other than the ones that actually pander to /here/ like Kiki and Pippa. We don't even have the traction that 2ch has. Anybody who seriously believes corpo management is actively listening here and it's not just vtubers with brainrot who can't help but egosa that wind up here is deranged.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54232283
Do your reps. Stop watching EN. Maybe then you'd realize how stupid you sound.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229641
None of these girls are idols

[Anonymous No.]

>>54232281
You should use the new one, other corpo vs holo, because they sound more like an incel from twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54232159
Hana's sad tale is should be a lesson to any small corpo vtubers where if you manage to be the most popular among your gen or branch, use that to lift up your co-workers and company. Don't just run away or sabotage yourself.
The mass graduation of NijiID and Azura's tweet about clinging to the past, but realizing she needs to move on is so depressing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229641
this is accurate, sisters here will hate it

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222870
It’s the new “loli”

[Anonymous No.]

>>54232349
Improvement isn't proficiency

[Anonymous No.]

>>54232494
Wow you really are new.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54232375
You know what a true incel look like, it's when they said that woman have the freedom to do what they want and she decided not to collab with the undesireable for her own benefit and her fanbase. And you know what they did, they doxx her and call her a grifter for not conforming to their will.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54232335
yet see how listening to reddit/twitter turned out by looking at stars numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>54230983
it's nice when your work is appreciated

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Notice how collabs with men don't make them sad. It's you fags that make them doing their job mildly annoying so they want to do it less. You're so insecure, have zero confidence and are also so mentally retarded that (1) hearing a man's voice makes you cry and (2) seeing a jpg of a femboy male on your screen makes you think that (1a) you can no longer marry a female png and (2a) you thought they would give your greasy ass the time of day with or without a male collab in the first place. You failure. Find a different corner of the internet to ruin.

They're entertainers. Not your wife.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54226982
Nice reddit spacing sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>54232524
Yup, just got here. Are you my orientation? *adjusts collar* *pushes up glasses*

[Anonymous No.]

>>54232584
The problem isn't that they listened to Reddit/Twitter, the problem is that they didn't pander to a built in market like China. NijiMales wouldn't have a quarter of their numbers if they didn't appeal to bugwomen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54232335
So true sis it’s not like your oshi isn’t actively ego searching /here/ right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231890
Vesper welcomes you

[Anonymous No.]

>>54232840
Different starting hands from different fanbases that had been built up. Doesn't make sense to try to make the same plays.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54224004
If Gura enjoyed streaming. She would stream.
Ironmouse streamed while laying in bed hooked up to an oxygen tank and drinking onions every day for dinner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231890
Then you're just a numberfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231572
*All vtubers and vtuber fans deserve the rope
Seriously, do something more productive in your life

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222741
if men are so great, then why do i suck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54233089
nobody cares twitchfag, meanwhile migo, pekora, subaru, marine, etc are having a blast and gura admires and respects that environment

[Anonymous No.]

>>54232791
Agreed nijisister!

[Anonymous No.]

>>54233074
Tempus should have unironically gone after the ES market, especially since Wactor has been imploding since their release. ES is the home of Dragonball and Saint Seiya and is the most brotuber friendly demographic, while still having sisters that are generally not pandered to because male ESchuubas aren't nearly as represented by the big corpos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231957
>>54232074
>b but he does not count
If can't understand why, then that's your problem.

Gura is more strong-willed than what others are led to believe.
>Her fans and even management tell her to tweet more.
She tweets less
>fans demand she streams more
She streams less
>fans demand she tells more about her personal problems
She now says nothing. I miss the old membership talks about her worries.
>fans unanimously against TikTok.
She started TikTok
>fans are against reaction content
Gura does a watch along and says, "See, it wasn't so bad."

Gura will remain popular by doing what she wants. Just let her cook.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54225341
It really IS that is.
But women will fuck that up anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

debut today or just a teaser?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222826
Gura loves to stream, she just hasn't had time lately. We got a five hour stream out of her for New Vegas and she was having a blast the entire time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54232840
The absolute state of NijiCN (formerly EN) relays that perhaps that’s a good thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54233334
Gura doesn't like stream and doesn't like you. Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>insecure faggots actually attack Gura because she doesn't even mention males, all the while pretending everyone else is insecure
Do sisters really?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54233722
>SHE HATES IT SHE HATES YOU YOU HAVE TO HATE HER
holy shit just fuck off already

[Anonymous No.]

>>54233722
>Gura doesn't like stream and doesn't like you. Deal with it.
She hates you so much, that she refuses to turn on superchats and take your money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54225439
This tbqh famalam

[Anonymous No.]

>>54233442
>If can't understand why, then that's your problem.
I Googled "asmongold vtuber," you know what I found? Fuck all. That WoW loser doesn't have a vtuber model, ergo, is not a vtuber. Feel free to prove me wrong, I've never watched him nor will I ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54233567
The idea is sound, the situation in China is just fucked. Botan also lost a not insignificant chunk of her viewers when the war in Ukraine started due to all the Russians getting drafted and presumably killed, which you can't really predict.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54233894
That's your problem. I can't fix stupid,

[Anonymous No.]

>>54233486
Teaser, full reveal, and twitter debut.
Actual debuts are probably this weekend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54224149
But...it's not a debate, anon. It's just facts, and the people who can't accept reality screeching into the void.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223577

[Anonymous No.]

>>54233939
And apparently you can't fix your blindness. You're a special kind of retarded, aren't you ESL-kun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54234065
Don't blame me, blame God

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223956
>shitter
>Suisei

[Anonymous No.]

>>54233784
Not what I said.
>>54233803
k

[Anonymous No.]

>>54234220
kek your jealousy and butthurt is palpable

[Anonymous No.]

>ctrl + f
>male
>57 results

[Anonymous No.]

>>54234324

[Anonymous No.]

There are a LOT of seething homoniggers and nijiniggers replying to this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>54234400
>ctrl + f
>and
>162 results
And?

163

[Anonymous No.]

>>54234415
Wouldn’t be a good thread without them eternally seething, I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
>Happy
>Kiara
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231403
Bad deflection kek

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder this place is full of twittertrannies looking for dox info atm

[Anonymous No.]

>>54234094
based KING delita

[Anonymous No.]

>>54235049
you mean doxsisters hungry for morsels of info that they can bring back to their doxsite
are they still using nina's thread there as their general shitposting board?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54234400
>>54234479
>ctrl + f
>ctrl + f
>2 results

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Better advice for EN3's lurking: Don't ever come back here, there's only sad, mentally ill men in /vt/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54235827
Fucking speak for yourself. I'm a qt3.14 anime girl and you will NEVER take that away from me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223692
were I hypothetically a famous vtuber rap woman I would spend at least half of my time writing and producing songs that imply I'm graduating soon to live in fags' heads rent free

[Anonymous No.]

>>54234411
An actual estrogen seething, kek

[Anonymous No.]

PLEASE make it apparent on day one that you have no intentions of maintaining the kayfabe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54226647
Honestly don't care about their IRL. I just don't want male on my stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54235411
Last time i checked they want kson to rope herself. Dunno how it fare these days

[Anonymous No.]

>>54223399
Unfortunately this doesn't work.
It's like tattoos and whores sleeping around. When it was just 1 or 2 it made sense to just say you'll go elsewhere.

However, you must remember that women are pack animals, if they see 1 woman doing something they all immediately do it as well. Just like tattoos now being common place on 90% of women, at some point there is nowhere else to go because every woman is now a whore with tattoos. You excuse 1 vtuber with whorish behavior and now all of them will think its fun and okay to do.

Male collabs are the tattoos of vtubing, and it's too late to save it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54236142
>imagine unironically wanting the kemomimi sisters to not act like they're kemomimis
Anon are you mentally ill? Who hurt you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54226647
I know you a retarded anon, but entertainment doesn't mean you need to doxx them and stalk their every move. And that why we call you cancer, you can't distinguishes entertainment on screen from reality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54226548
>Real men rape their oshi!

[Anonymous No.]

>>54236369
But (non-Twitch) (female) VTubers tend to be part of the 10%, generally for being-socially-inept reasons, so it's not quite 90% (again, off-Twitch).

[Anonymous No.]

>>54236376
No, I'm saying don't make me waste my time by watching for a month while they do maintain their kayfabe only for them to end up dropping it shortly after debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54236541
Gura has a tramp stamp in real life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54236601
Aight, that I can get behind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54236541
how recent? pre-PL, PL, in between PL/Gura, or past year or two?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54236654
>>54236755
my bad

[Anonymous No.]

This thread should have given you a preview of exactly how schizo your fanbases will be. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54236884
I don't think you realize how tiny of a percentage /vt/ makes up of the greater hololive community.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231104
For someone whose content sucks, she sure is popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54236884
yeah, it's crazy how much gura makes femcels seethe

[Anonymous No.]

>>54227882
I agree people don't watch her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54236073
You really do live in your own little world don't you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54236654
proof next thread, right anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54237221
right here faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>54237409
It’s over

[Anonymous No.]

>>54237409
yeah, that's a funny "dile feleted" image you posted, anon. Now post us the real "proof".

[Anonymous No.]

>>54230943
Yes. With tens of thousands of fans there is always derange one in there. Proper opsec is an utmost priority.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222741
Yeah, me

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229641
Holy accuracy.
Based.
And saved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229641
>unironically thinking idol fans aren't parasocial for their favorite idols
Holy shit how fucking retarded are you. They literally have something called 'cheki' that's a signed picture of their idol that they take along and go out and eat meals with. ENsharts being retarded as usual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54238613
Its about how parasocial the vutber is with the fans, not the other way around. Nothing stops a fan from being parasocial even with a vtuber who flat out tells them not to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54231511
She is not gonna stream, cumchud.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54238852
>a significant aspect of it that's shared between both things is suddenly irrelevant and has nothing to do with the culture at all!

[Anonymous No.]

>>54238994
you will keep seething either way though

[Anonymous No.]

>>54239185
>suisei doesn't encourage parasocialism at all, whatsoever
>sora does cute roleplay stuff from time to time as fanservice, but always puts her foot down when she feels her fans are being too obsessive
You are free to point out how any of this is wrong, however you can't because it isn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Man I hope they at least have the common fucking courtesy of revealing on week 1 whether or not they're gonna be part of the tempus/homoEN shill staff. I don't wanna take a liking to some of them only to get hit with the sudden BTW I'M COLLABING WITH THESE NIGGERS YOU CARE NOTHING FOR HAHA because that shit is infuriating. Every future new holoEN member should learn from Bae and how she told everyone from day 1 that she supports and wants to collab with literally everyone (though in Bae's case she's genuine about it, she never collabs with dude for the sake of owning the heckin imaginary incels she just likes everyone for real).

It would be a huge time saver if they could just fucking do that. I don't want another Kronii situation or another Ame. Ame said she supported everyone but only actually directly collabed with the EN guys and she got super pissy and bitchy about it. I'll respect them 1% more if they save me some goddamn time with this homofaggot shilling shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54239369
>appeal to authority
Literally not an argument, you're starting off with the basis that those two are more idol than others, when you haven't even won that point yet. Saying what those two do doesn't mean anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54239270
No reason to, my oshi and the other girls I watch actually stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54239605
Kronii especially. In that sense, Ame's just a worse Bae, but Kronii is actively malicious (as usual).

[Anonymous No.]

>>54222600
Lol kys unitard

[Anonymous No.]

>>54239653
kek you don't have an oshi you faggot, it's obvious

[Anonymous No.]

>>54239654
>>appeal to authority
What authority, you dimwit? Your only counter-argument is
>b- but... their're not!!!1!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>54239824
Sure, cumchud. Enjoy no streams!

[Anonymous No.]

>>54239654
>Saying what those two do doesn't mean anything.
>trying to claim literally two of the most dedicated holomen to the actual music side of hololive somehow aren't idols
Holy fuck you are actually the stupidest person in this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54239849
I never said they weren't. I was refuting the point about parasocialism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54239654
Your complaint never made sense in the first place because nothing about the definition in the image said idols couldn't be parasocial, just that their level of parasocial was different than that of GFE and in some cases didn't exist at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54240005
see
>>54240057
stop making up scenarios in your head

[Anonymous No.]

>>54240195
see
>>54240092
retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>54240057
No, anon, you can't call an argument an "appeal to authority" as a refutation--when there's no authority! A VTuber, defined by her actions, is an idol;--you deny her actions (which you did not) or deny the connection (which you cannot)--not avoiding the argument by listing out your favorite logical fallacies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54240092
>under "actual idol"
>parasocial relationships are either nonexistent or extremely limited
which is complete bullshit, the whole thing hinges on it being a parasocial relationship you absolute fuckwad, why do you think they're spending gorillions of their disposable income on some single woman

[Anonymous No.]

>>54227583
>Kobo was a runaway hit from the moment she debuted
wrong. she only gained traction when her youtube account got suspended twice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54229129
untrue, i literally started having way more success with girls after watching hours of holos every day and memorizing their behaviors, quirks, the way they talked, the jokes they liked, they way they talked to others, what they were like as people, what kind of behaviors people generally liked, etc...
and now i'm pretty happy with my gf

[Anonymous No.]

>>54240418
What part of "Suisei and other idols like her have parasocial fans despite not encouraging and sometimes even actively discouraging it" do you not understand? The "limit" comes from the part where they pretend to literally be your girlfriend. That's a level of parasocialism that's above the definition of an idol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54240715
You don't even need to go that far. Do you even know what a parasocial relationship is? Maybe you should look it up since you seem to think it only applies to a specific type of pandering.
What Suisei does is irrelevant. Some lean into GFE, some don't. EITHER WAY, the people supporting them for who they are is a parasocial relationship. Suisei doesn't know who the fuck her fans are, but they are heavily invested in her. That's a parasocial relationship. Some people like the way Suisei does things, some people like ones that lean into GFE. In both cases they're parasocial relationships.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54241176
You don't seem to realize that no one is disagreeing with anything that you just said, and that includes that image. I don't understand why, because everyone else in this thread understood it immediately.

NOBODY is saying that idol and fan relationships aren't parasocial, including that image. Maybe you can make the argument that its worded poorly, but that's about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54241583
>under "actual vtuber idol"
>parasocial relationships are either limited or non-existent
It's literally saying they aren't, so what the fuck are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54241876
On the vtuber's end. One sided parasocial relationships (like Suisei's) are still parasocial, but they're completely one sided. The image is saying that the vtuber encouraging it is not a requirement to be considered an idol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54233089
I am sick and tired of Ironmouse on deaths door and not dying. She should graduate life already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54242106
A parasocial relationship is inherently one-sided, genius. It literally just means the celeb doesn't know anything about the people that are heavily invested in them (for whatever reason, it literally doesn't matter). You're talking about certain types of pandering, i.e., GFE.