How did they manage to fuck it up so badly?

[Anonymous No.]

How it is possible that no one in the JP side of the company realized how it was skydiving straight into the shit?

[Anonymous No.]

the debut tempus 1 & 2 instead of EN3 and Project Hope 2nd member

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[Anonymous No.]

luxiem jumpscare

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>>53619490
Still better than NijiEN

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>>53619936
Thats really not saying much

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>>53619490
EN had no oversight from JP until recently. Also, side branch.

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>>53619588
>>53619936
>B..but niji is doing worse
I hate this shit, HoloEN used to be the biggest group in the west and they lose all the momentum entirely for their management incompetence because they wanted to be like nijien, and the worst part is that they failed miserably at that.
They failed at being like holoJP, they failed at being like nijien, they even failed at being unique.

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>>53619490
They tried too fast to reach the top, but failed miserably because of their bad management, then their members stagnated with the same boring or lack of content.

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>>53620203
COVID is done. Everyone's going outside now. Not everyone in the World is a Jap with nothing to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619490
gura carried them for 3 years she can only do so much

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>>53619936
Yes but still, it's not because niji is doing worse than you can't say that holoEN is currently nose diving into the sand. And from error that SHOULD have been prevented. Irys not debuting together with council, tempiss, even worse tempiss 2 so soon after. The collab ban fiasco, Lore that is so complex that almost no holoEN follow it. The permanant lack of streams, 3 suspention from tempiss. Like WTF at some point there is incompetence and obvious sabotage.

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>>53620360
This image shows the opposite of what OP is saying, what did he mean by this? He wouldn't post easily rebuted lies would he?

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>>53619490
Their growth stagnated because they lost the CN market and also stopped debuting new members.

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>>53619490
Omegatranny said leddit and twatter are woke, so EN should be woke too. JP management believed him until income number proved them wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619490
Lazy and jobbing, It's simple as that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619490
>only the biggest EN vtuber corp in the world

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>>53621977
>none of their EN talents stream
>no new EN talents for two years now
>sub growth has hit rock bottem across the board
Stop using those 3.8M dead Gura subs to measure their success.

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>>53619490
The girls didnt work for anything and took everything for granted
Plus Cover being retarded tranny pandering faggots stopped Gura from doing GFE and loli pandering content despite it being the reason anyone gave a fuck about EN in the first place.

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>>53622145
This is such a fucking retarded thing to say when she's literally a 5view. She doesn't even have the worst deadsub ratio in her gen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53620360
how come nijijp only recently shown in graph?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619490
>Biggest Vtuber EN Concert
>EPs
>Albums
> i guess streming 4-5 times a week is nothing
Sure, dead branch faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>another tempus seethe thread
You incel tears are delicious

[Anonymous No.]

Coco was heavily involved with the scouting and recruitment of Myth, after the Chinkout happened and she graduated they just let the trannies do whatever they wanted because they saw Gura's numbers and revenue and just assumed everything was going well
They didnt realize how bad it was until recently when they got rid of Omegatroon but it's nigh unsalvageable with the amount of cause supporters that were hired

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>>53619490
Because, nowadays, westerners are all about being woke, "the cause" and "sticking it to the haters". Just look at the recent trend of shitty movies trying to shove identity culture down our throats. Those who push back are accused of racism and bigotry.

Did you think western vtubing would be immune to these trends? Instead, any dissent is framed as "incel/unicorn/virgin" rage. There's no incentive for them to emulate their JP senpais, because "dem idol cultures are evil, y'all".

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>>53619490
Don't worry, JP is heading down the same path, so you can rest reassured there were no oversights involved.

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>>53619490
>Huge schism developed between management and holoEN talents over various cultural differences
>Cover reduced costs the second things went bad in the EN vtuber market
>EN talents burnt out and lost any interest in doing any major events
2023 is still rocky but there are signs that things are getting better in the EN branch. At the very least the talents seem to be more optimistic.

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>>53623381
>Coco was heavily involved with the scouting and recruitment of Myth
I can't believe you idiots still believe this

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>>53623203
What does all that matter if no one's watching?

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>>53619490
cover isn't for you and me anymore.
it's for grasstouching casuals who still like the company after the last two years because they don't spend their entire day waiting for shit to happen in hololive and thus have not developed an irrational grudge

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>>53624434
Elaborate.

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luxiem just make coer make the incorrect decission
doesnt help that tempus after vesper firstsuspension just crumbled
and then they debut 4 more in only 6 months while everyone was waiting for more girls. this at a time where half the branch was sick, on break or unavalable
fucking ina took like a 6 months break ot something.

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>>53622697
Degens from /vt/ aren't everyone also lol when did Gura stop the pandering?

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>>53620360
Do you even read the graph you posted? It doesn't support what you're saying at all.

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>>53623993
It has to be legit tiring to have this mindset all the time when it comes to entertainment

[Anonymous No.]

>>53632140
Did you look at the yellow highlight dumbass?

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>>53629314
>7k a stream
> no one

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>>53619936
It's the same thing, console war faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619490
Western streamer culture is dying.
Why ignore Twitch people becoming Tiktokers/Youtubers?
Check out henya's ccv now. She only has 2k because she abandoned nip audience.

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>>53623381
>they got rid of Omegatroon
proof?

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>>53632446
The numbers on Twitch are worth 4 times that of Youtube.

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>financially successful
>influential
>beloved globally
Stop being contrarian /vt/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53632602
LOL even Twitch streamers don't believe that. Twitch has predatory marketing and intrusive ads that destroy its potential views. YouTube and Kick are the next big streaming platforms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53632772
But only on Youtube.
Not fighting on the cool battlefield of Twitch is same as to fleeing before the enemy.

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>>53632772

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>>53632942
>mad because I'm right

[Anonymous No.]

>>53633001
Oh you're retarded, I see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53633063
I accept your concession.

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>>53632913
r u serious? The big fish on twitch already preparing to leave it tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619936
>no see it’s alright I shot myself in the nuts, because the other guy shot himself in the head

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>>53619490
Nobody realized because there's nothing else to compare it to. Their closest competition is skydiving even faster and no small corpo are anywhere close to scratching their dominance. HoloEN may be in shit right now but it still had the global monopoly in fame and influence. What you need is another luxiem but with girls: an english idol group that can usurp holobox numbers overnight. This will alert the ojisan higher-ups from the JP side to stop gangbanging Shion's roast beef and start fixing this decrepit garbage of a branch.

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>>53619490
Cover sabotaged holoEN because they didn't want a side branch taking the spotlight from the main branch. The japanese are very hierarchical and racist, Myth's success mindbroke them. HoloX was less popular than gen5 and Myth when they debuted, but they were heavily pushed and advertised, meanwhile in the EN side the only girls being promoted are Gura, who doesn't even stream and Mori, who nobody watches nowadays.

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>>53633566
Retard

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>>53632942
He's not wrong. Anyone who thinks this place is that influential are no better that say "we did it reddit" unironically.
But I expect nothing less from r/hololive outcasts

[Anonymous No.]

>>53633674
*than people that say

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>>53633404
Coal

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>>53632221
If by "all the time" you mean the shit that has been churned out by hollywood and other western entertainment industries for the past 5 years or so, then yes.

If HoloEN is anything to go by, this nonsense is contagious.

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>>53633674
He's very wrong, you retard. They were financially successful but not anymore and the other 2 were never true. The concert only got 35k viewers. Pekora just got 150k starting an endurance stream.

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>>53633748
Setting boundaries between you and your viewers isn't woke

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>>53630880
It was never for (You), because there aren't enough of you and Cover likes making money.

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>>53633845
Give me actual facts and analytics to back that up or go back to shitting up the catalog, anonchama

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>>53633748
Tell me what HoloEn has done that is woke without mentioning Tempus or Omega

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>>53633902
Nigger, go to the numbers thread if you want to see spreadsheets. The concert did horribly.

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>>53633964
>The concert did horribly.
I mean to be fair, holoen ain't exactly a unit when it comes to singing. they're still cute girls tho

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>>53633964
>"they do bad, now"
>give me proof
>"/#/ told me, so no"
There you go mate, you got there in the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53634101
Numbers don't lie. Keep coping, cuck.

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>>53633964
>The concert did horribly.
nigga the concert sell out

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>>53633845
mother fucker how ill are you thinking they care what an ad on a dead channel got in live views?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53634242
COPE

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>>53633964
> go to the numbers thread
numbers doesnt have the total of spawn numbers those are private the 6k seats were all sold out.
under any definition the concert wasa success.

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>literally can only rely on Fauna for any metric
Queen of EN

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>>53634372
>about to get fired along with the homos
Some queen, lmao

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>>53633964
i dont remember anyone can get their hands on the total paying stream viewership, go link the archive or fuck off

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>>53632466
Kiara stream. Check the archives.

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>>53634682
Stop listening to /vt/ for once and tell me what evidence you have of this

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>>53634993
If you don't have the answer, why answer?

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>>53633964
>The concert did horribly.
Didn't it sell out like immediately?

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>>53619490
It isn't, that's how. Cope, copepod.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619490
>look around myself
>find 2 and 3views
>indies and corpo alike
>find out cute soul moments like in the old days of Myth
Unironically you don't need EN3

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>>53635138
I literally answered your question.

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>>53635117
>asking them to think for themselves
Anon you might as well ask them to hero

[Anonymous No.]

Not watching your 2view twitch shit, kys

[Anonymous No.]

When EN3 drops you'll all be sucking off HoloENs

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>>53636640
It is known on /#/ that the numbers on Twitch are worth 4 times that on Youtube.
By using this equation most streamers on Twitch will be able to beat holos. Use your brain holocucks.

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>>53623381
this isn't true, but I'd rather Coco take the credit than Mr. I-am-the-first-EN. Unfortunately, Cover chose xer over kaichou

[Anonymous No.]

I'm gonna try and make an actual essay post here and then maybe copy it and use it again later since this shit keeps coming up. I'm sure many people will go TLDR and mucho texto and "didn't read lol" but I actually do care about Hololive and Hololive EN keeps running into the same issue in my opinion.

It's probably a long shot given the state of the board these past 2 years, but if you were around for Myth's debut, you should remember debut Mori. She was awkwardly abrasive and contrarian and tried to do everything possible to show that she was "different" from what people had come to expect from Hololive. Whether that was collabing with Trash Taste faggots, not doing even the slightest hint of fanservicey requests, or aggressively shooting down any Takamori banter, she was just unpleasant to be around. The reason she was like this is the same reason Ame told her viewers to improve themselves, the same reason Kronii imploded, the same reason Fauna said her viewers weren't her friends, and the same reason Ina keeps lecturing her viewers. They don't get vtubing. Or at least, they don't get why Hololive JP in particular is so popular.

Hololive JP is popular because the talents, for the most part, realize they are selling a product, a dream, an illusion. You have to be careful not to break that illusion, but in return people will give you insane amounts of money. This product is part the avatar, and part the person behind it but never really entirely one or the other. There has to be a balance, as Kizuna Ai showed, you can't just have the avatar with another person behind it. But you also can't just be yourself with an avatar, that's where the often used insult of "ethot with an avatar" comes in. You need some bit of character.

It's this bit that Western women, and particularly Hololive EN seems to struggle with. They want to prove they are bigger and better than the avatar. That people would like them for themselves, give money them for themselves, first draft, unedited. Which is total fucking bullshit. There's a reason they don't talk about their political stances or past relationships. There's a reason you aren't supposed to know their real names, real faces, real ages. Hololive is supposed to provide a nice neat digestible little package and for some reason, these women just fucking chafe at providing that, even if they stand to reap the benefits and make millions off it. Even the ones who weren't blatantly against it from the beginning like Fauna or Ina can't help every now and then but slip and drop the mask so they can lecture their fans because that's what the "real them" would do. That's what they really think.

Do you really think Nene wants people to report when they masturbate to her? Do you think any woman really wants that? Does Luna really think she's a baby? Is every single Holo in JP just somehow forever single and lonely despite many of them being charismatic, funny, and probably not hideous? No. But they know how to keep up kayfabe without their ego getting in the way, something most of Hololive EN just can't stomach. And they resent it, some openly like Mori and Kronii from the beginning, and some like Fauna or Ame or Ina when it just bubbles out at the worst time. But these hypocrites will rake in money hand over fist from sad lonely men, while still trying to convince themselves they aren't taking advantage of anyone. These men are willing to be taken advantage of, is it too much to ask that they don't openly spit on them after the transaction goes through?

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>>53632446
>Check out henya's ccv now

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>>53637401
Don't post it again

[Anonymous No.]

ah yes, another shit thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53637401
Jokes on you, my kamioshi rushia was and still is actually that crazy.

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>>53638460
>posting a pic of a whore that's about to get fired
Kek

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>>53619490
EN3 when?

[Anonymous No.]

A number of reasons.

First is there's not a huge amount of available talent.
Women are generally not entertaining and don't like "ick" things like anime.
Now while the latter is less of a barrier than it used to be, there's still not a gigantic number of available western women.

Second theres a low barrier to entry and any woman capable of success in this sphere is going to just do it as an indy. Those who don't quickly succeed as indies tend to bail and not come back. Those who achieve some success are getting the attention they want and don't see much reason to join holo.

Third >>53637401

Fourth theres been a lot of difficulty recruiting for HoloEN management. They need to be Japanese AND speak English fluently. That's a fairly small number of people who can earn a lot more with a skillset that is in high demand

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>>53639050
I know you've had a rough few months of getting BTFO faunaschizo but at least try to shitpost with some evidence. It's just embarrassing watching you squirm so hard

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>>53637401
This is beautiful, thanks. And I definitely agree with you. I guess it's a "Western" thing these days? Women need to be boss girls and lecture the emasculated men, who need to go "YASS SLAY QUEEN" to every single word out of the former's mouths?

It's sort of funny that some people say immigration will destroy Western civilisation. I think they'll implode due to this identity culture bullshit, instead. Oh well, back to watching the JP girls.

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>>53637401
If you're going to insist on posting this, could you at least try not being a complete fucking imbecile before your fingers touch the keyboard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619490
>Debut Tempus
Last final answer

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>>53637401
Ina was against it from the very beginning, she's the most 'parasocial le bad', but understands Hololive (fan since at least the first Holofes) enough to not say it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53637401
>yet another fag who misinterpret what Fauna said and thinks it's just as bad as "le Improve Yourself" or Ina's lecturing
besides that, your stance isn't that bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53643354
Stop obsessing over men

[Anonymous No.]

>>53643799
It's worse you retarded cuck. She finds you so repulsive that she wouldn't even be your friend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53632602
Twitch is dying as we speak because of their retarded decisions and rules.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53643262
I wonder sometimes how anons who say stuff like this function outside of the internet

[Anonymous No.]

>>53644182
That is the majority opinion outside of your hugbox, tranny freak

[Anonymous No.]

>>53637401
Yall can deny all you want. There’s a lot of truth to this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53636388
You answered fuck-all, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53632446
Do you even watch henya?
She averages around 6k, it's been around that level for ages. Considering she was averaging around 2k before she's doing fucking amazing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53644385
No one who isn't a frequent Twitter and 4chan poster gives a shit about the culture war

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>>53637401
> Hololive JP is popular because the talents, for the most part, realize they are selling a product, a dream, an illusion.
> You have to be careful not to break that illusion.
Ok so that would imply that breaking the illusion would lose them their fanbase right?
> Towa
> Laplus
> Botan
Oh ok, guess not.
> These hypocrites will rake in money hand over fist from sad lonely men, while still trying to convince themselves they aren't taking advantage of anyone.
So, no need to keep up the hard "fantasy" act then, they still get paid by their audience.

> These men are willing to be taken advantage of, is it too much to ask that they don't openly spit on them after the transaction goes through?
If the EN audience is fine with this level of "fantasy", who are you to deny them that?

It's like this anon >>53633404 said, their competition is still miles behind, so they have no incentive to improve themselves.
And in any caseEN and JP obviously have different tastes, and the difference in popularity of chuubas from these different cultures simply indicate that the audience in the west have a different taste compared to the JP side, and HoloEN caters to that.

> Do you really think Nene wants people to report when they masturbate to her?
You clearly have no idea about the sheer levels of degeneracy that Japanese otaku get up to.
Yes, that community includes female Otaku.

[Anonymous No.]

>
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eWNn24KHPRQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>53637401
Good try! Now never post this, or anything else again. That was unmitigated, unedited drivel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53644721
You are so very very wrong. Hitler 2.0 is literally on the horizon.

[Anonymous No.]

This kind of situation is sadly not very unusual among companies. The main branch puts the foreign side branch in the care of someone, they trust them to handle things on their own and then fuck off.
They are unaware of how bad things are, or they are unaware of how it's the fault of who they left in charge, they don't pay enough attention to realize the mistakes that are being made and don't step in to correct the course.
In some cases they flat out avoid getting involved out of honor, to not disrespect those left in charge. In other cases those in charge are shameless scum and try to convince them everything is being handled well No way to know what's the case now, whether Cover realizes how badly EN is doing and how it's all the fault of their management and whether Cover chooses not to step in and why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53632275
No, just because I am not watching = no one is watching.
Please understand, the world revolves around me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53645186
Considering how EN has started doing big projects ever since Yagoo and A-Chan got some english skills

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>>53620203
They're still the biggest group in the west. The western vtuber market is both becoming oversaturated and losing its audience. The only way a group can beat HoloEN at this point is if they reignite the hype that happened in 2020 and bring back the lost fans. Every western vtuber right now is just mooching off of HoloEN's fanbase, but every HoloEN fan has two choices when I they want to move on from Hololive: find a new vtuber or stop watching vtubers. More often then not, they've been choosing the latter. Unless some other group can recreate 2020, every group is going to shrink and HoloEN will be the only vtubers left in the English-speaking world. They may descend down into the double digits of remaining viewers, but in the end HoloEN will be the last one standing simply because they started off as the biggest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619490
The growth and success is nowhere near JP but at least it's moderate or enough to still be worth the investment

[Anonymous No.]

>>53644875
MORI LOVE

[Anonymous No.]

>>53645186
Considering that they fired Omega and A-chan is very involved, they know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619490
POPULAR DEMAND
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>>53644823
>the audience in the west have a different taste compared to the JP side
Obviously. A lot of westerners, even many of people on this board, don't actually care that much about idol culture obsession, including the whole purity/waifu/illusion thing. To a degree of course, there are still limits, but first and foremost vtubers are just cute anime girls providing entertainment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619490
Give me one big EN games production or studio inc
EN is shit, leeching from jp then using coppa to destroy it

[Anonymous No.]

>>53644823
You're clueless newfag
>Towa
Towa was a runt of gen 3 after male voice yab until red.ditcucks whiteknighted her into relevancy. Her chat was 100% english at some point
>Botan
Grandmas can collab with males normally because their approach is mature. Same with Aki
>Laplus
You're actually trolling. she just got back after months-long break, after betraying fans by simping for male valorant ecelebs

[Anonymous No.]

>>53620500
>tempiss
who?
>tempiss 2
who?? I'll admit, it's impressive they shoved another group of homos out that fast
>3 suspention from tempiss
Literally who??? haven't head of one
>Irys not debuting together with council
real problem was hiring nepo-sana
>The collab ban fiasco
I'll assume this about homos again
>Lore
no one cares about lore
>permanant lack of streams
true, though I struggle to keep up anyways

So homos and no streams, got it

[Anonymous No.]

That's right. Keep ignoring the problem. Keep screaming "BUT WHAT ABOUT NUI?". Nothing is wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53644713
not your spoon-feeder

[Anonymous No.]

>>53644823
> Towa
> Laplus
> Botan
>Oh ok, guess not.
what did he mean by this
>So, no need to, they still get paid
>If the EN audience is fine with this level of "fantasy"
the plummeting numbers which are the topic of this thread indicate otherwise you drooling retard
>there's no competition
JP shows there's huge untapped market
>>53637401
>They don't get vtubing. Or at least, they don't get why Hololive JP in particular is so popular.
true, though mori has improved a lot. Seems like she lost the chip on her shoulder after getting the music deals she coveted.
>Do you really think Nene wants
probably
>Does Luna really think she's a baby?
yes, no one picks that niche without having some issues

[Anonymous No.]

>>53637401

When you're right, you're right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53646178

[Anonymous No.]

>>53645055
I'm going to assume your being sarcastic

[Anonymous No.]

>>53648227
Not even a little. Cope, seethe, and dilate

[Anonymous No.]

>>53648332
I'll enjoy watching him kill himself in his basement like a little faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619490
>How did they manage to fuck it up so badly?
That's a loaded question since it insists that the situation is FUBAR.
I'm not going to deny that there's lost potential that HoloEN will never get back, but let's lead a thought experiment:
Imagine if everything is fine (more EN gens, Tempus never exists or they're so far segregated that they mostly collab with indies and Holostars, earlier 3D, more sponsored music, everyone streams at least 60 hours per month, Sana never graduates, basically the same old adage that goes in these threads) and Cover capitalizes on about 95% of the potential while everyone employed stays happy, no black company tactics involved. How big is HoloEN, then? Because I don't think there's much more to achieve. At best I can see the bottom line for CCV at 5k viewers for SC readings and long game series and the overall CCV averaging around 10k across all the gens. There's probably just one more PPV concert and about 2-2.5 times the original music we currently have, maybe some new subunits and about a handful more of sololives, but it's not like they'd battle top streamers like xQc and Kai Cenat in popularity, it's not like they'd make it in a AAA video game or on american television (although Kiara might make it into Eurovision), still no stuff like collab cafes and theme park takeovers.
The problem is that there's too much of a difference in culture between the east and the west in terms of what goes in entertainment, so Hololive already starts from a disadvantage in making a logaritmically bigger ripple in the culture. Even if JP thrives, if you put a translator into a top JP talent's brain and sit her inside EN, her success is far from guaranteed. Normalfags in the west don't care for the talents pursuing bigger, better things, they just want quick entertainment from content creators and not someone they want to idolize, regardless of the nature of their content. If something beats Hololive eventually in the west, it will also come from the west.

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>>53646503
> Her chat was 100% english at some point
And now it's no longer the case, she gets 10k viewers regularly with just JOPs. Clearly there's an audience for chuubas like her in Hololive.
> Grandmas can collab with males normally because their approach is mature.
Kronii collabed with men and still retains most of her audience, still hovers around #2 or #3 among HoloEN chuubas. Clearly that's not the problem.
> You're actually trolling. she just got back after months-long break, after betraying fans by simping for male valorant ecelebs
Again, audience does not give a shit, she still gets the same 10k viewers every stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53620360
>covid
looks like something else happened on the chart, idk maybe it was monkey pox?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53648637
I was going to post something similar to this but you put it better than I could. Hololive in the west will always be niche just from principle alone, unless they start actually pandering to the western masses in which case it will not be Hololive anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619490
Every single fucking problem with the HoloEN branch comes down to one thing and one thing alone -
> Not debuting more girls
Yes.
EVERY.
SINGLE.
FUCKING.
THING.

> less streams, bigger chuubas like Gura only streaming sporadically
More girls to watch would have resolved the problem.
> stagnation of content
More girls would allow more combinations for collabs and a wider timezone of people who would allow smoother collabs. And more girls = more FRESH content, more potential interactions, more potential dynamics and more flavors of
entertainment.
> less collabs
MORE! GIRLS! Also see above.
> EN girls doing "audience-lecturing" or whatever
More girls to watch = more people that might be similar enough to your current oshi yet different enough to fit your tastes perfectly.
> homos
Were only a problem because the perception of them REPLACING the slots of the girls.
Complaints about them would not be at such a fever pitch if they debuted EN3 after Tempus 1, instead of releasing another batch of homos.
> homo collabs
More girls = more potential for girl-on-girl collabs, and more potential for girls that are non-homo collabers.
Also refer to "stagnation of content" section above.

Obviously no one's asking for a Nijisanji-style zero filter acceleration, but if you look at the time between Council debut and today and transpose it with Sora's debut, you can see that Holo JP debuted 3 entire generations of girls (+ 3 Holo Gamers) in that time period (along with about 3 gens of homos) totaling about 22 girls in total.
22 girls. In TWO YEARS!
Council has been in hololive for longer than Kiryuu Coco's entire fucking career, and a new EN gen is STILL nowhere near release. 2 years ago we had 11 members, and now we only have TEN. It's REDUCED!
Once Cover releases enough EN girls to form a proper "box" (20-25 will do), HoloEN will start taking off again.
Yes, it's seriously that easy.

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>>53648812
>10k
10k is pathetic for a brat with a perfect loli voice, shilled as a leader of a gen and center of a company(pic rel) Acting like a western whore killed her potential forever.

Towa is Mio's hire saved by SEA and whiteknights. I don't want this "audience" near my oshi

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>>53648637
It was close to being an institution. I really don't think you understand how all in people were until they got betrayed. I mean it would literally take a Robespierre moment in public for it to ever become what it was though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53637401
Jesus, anon. Keep this shit to yourself and never post it again. Retarded is the most kind way I can describe this delusional world you insist to live in. There is a reason why people like you are shunned. You give fans a bad name.

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>>53649406
Realistically? I think Cover found themselves with six guys they wanted in for certain but didn't want to debut six at once.
So resolved fairly early on to make another homogen and went looking for two more guys.

The girls?
I'm convinced they can't find anyone good enough for their standards.

[Anonymous No.]

>this thread survived 12 hours
Fuck this shitty board

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619936
Cope harder

[Anonymous No.]

>>53649566
JP homos only debuted 3 per wave.
They could have gone with a 3 - 3 split instead of going for 2 more.
It just shows how stuck up western management is, they don't care what the audience wants, they will put what THEY want instead.
Fucking control freaks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53637401
Does everyone else seriously not realize this is copypasta?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53648812
10k isn't that high and yabs fade over time
doesn't change that it was a super impactful yab
kronii isn't a hag
stop coping homo

[Anonymous No.]

Holofags trying to bring their dead streamer back

[Anonymous No.]

>>53649447
SEA and white knights haven't even been Towa's audience for 2 years now, 2020 chama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619490
>How did they manage to fuck it up so badly?
No one other than Kiara and Fauna streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53649604
Yes but also no.
Two of their gens had 3 man waves.
The first gen did not, Uproar also did not.

HoloID always releases in waves of 3.
Most Hololive gens have been 5 girls (or were planned to be)
All Hololive EN gens have been 5.

Why do they have this preference for five?
Dunno. Probably some nip cultural thing it doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53649406
I'm happy they took this long. It's hard to keep up when they release too fast. Now would be good for a new gen
>>53649604
yea with the western nerd scene where its at, hard to believe the management are the same guys in the reddit threads talking about problematic idol culture

[Anonymous No.]

>>53644182
By not being a cucked, mind-broken yes-man who bows down to every woman they see. I'm sure you are a "trans ally" fighting hard for "the cause" too.

Facts don't care about your feelings, but it's your freedom to fawn over the western, girl-boss types. Just don't expect others to stoop to your level.

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>>53649835
Five comes from the idol culture. You want odd members in a group so in a choreo someone's always centered and the camera can focus on them, it works much worse with even groups. Since seven is too much for getting to play a video game together or holding a group zatsu and three is too little, five became the golden standard in Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53646868
So you havev no proof.
I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53649682
I know. They're near my oshi now. Everything bad in vtubing today leads to the kenzocuck discord.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53650126
This makes perfect sense.
Reinforces my opinion they originally had six "winners" in their initial round of auditions.
Couldn't have six. But couldn't just tell one he had to wait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53649447
Even before her supposed "yabs" her audience really wasn't that much bigger than it is right now you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53649879
> It's hard to keep up when they release too fast
Only if you're following both JP and EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619490
Hiring managers from US that hate what they are supposed to manage and are just glorified activists for whatever they believe in.
Literally this is from where all of it is coming. Just bunch of highly seated murributts that want to make things "better" by introducing their garbage ideas and opinions.
Holo EN should be managed by Japanese side of Cover or at very least be just attached to Indonesia. Right now their direction is just too different from values of other branches that actual Hololive fans have no interest in watching them and "Idol culture"-hating normies will watch literally anything that is THE CURRENT THING so are very unstable custormers.
The only expection from it is Gura who seems to be doing everything to fuck off from EN branch and become her own thing by interacting mostly with JP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53650253
You sound delusional.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53622145
Does any of that matter if people keep buying memberships despite not streaming?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619553
>Project Hope 2nd member
Imagine how kino it would've been if they cared and scouted a good one who can play off of Irys well and debuted her as Project Despair.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53650391
Worse, they hired Filipinos. Westernized Filipinos who speak Japanese and said they understand what “other westerners” want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53650394
where do you think you are?

[Anonymous No.]

They hired shit talents that are only carried by the brand and nothing else.

[Anonymous No.]

Realistically hiring a talent for Cover is hard.

They have to be successful but not so successful that they can go it alone.
They have to be good but not so good that Cover ends up just being a springboard for them.
They have to NEED Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53651398
Realistically, they didn’t look at any female auditions until February 2023

[Anonymous No.]

>>53651182
OK Roastie

[Anonymous No.]

>>53650024
You literally are every stereotype of this board and site put into a person

[Anonymous No.]

>>53649164
Wow, every time I'm amazed how tempus managed to kill the numbers of Niji JP AND EN. Truly powerful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53649507
>until they got betrayed
You sound like a retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53649764
I will give you Kiara, but Fauna? She has fewer streams, stream hours, or both, than Mori, IRyS and Baelz. She is middle of the pack at best

[Anonymous No.]

>>53649507
Hell no, people have been beating the "muh idol culture bad, cunny reee, why they no pay attention to me" drums since the day Myth was announced as existing. Damn near the entirety of western Vtubing brands itself as the anti-Hololive. The split instant some Thai Vtuber gets 2 seconds in the spotlight, everyone shows up to dogpile how shit their efforts look.

Outside our bubble, people fucking despise our existence even more than their open hatred of weebs.

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>>53649507
>until they got betrayed

[Anonymous No.]

>>53620203
>HoloEN used to be the biggest group in the west
still is

[Anonymous No.]

>>53648637
>Imagine if everything is fine
In the ideal scenario of "everything is fine", YT'd have stopped culling EN viewers (or never started to begin with) and the EN scene would have looked much healthier for everyone with EN audiences, not just Holos

[Anonymous No.]

>>53650291
>image proving her growth died for 1.5 years after homoshitting herself
Deception and revisionism is all you beggars are.

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>>53649566
They don't have standar anon, look at the homo out of those 6, 2 are looking for the door, one is litteraly nothing more than the blue ID accesory and will never be more than that, one begged money on stream, and to top the cake the currently most popular wasn't part of those 6 (though it can change tommorrow, homo "fan" change their oshi like they change clothes)

[Anonymous No.]

>>53632446
>Western streamer culture is dying.
No, what was perceived as western Vtuber culture is simply diluting into your regular and dominant Twitch streaming culture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53656318
whos the most popular one

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619553
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619553
fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619490
not my problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>53657302
>>53659225
>>53659225
>>53663805
Why are euroniggers like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53647883
Cope seanigger
Wanna be English police
Meanwhile u speak American style

[Anonymous No.]

>>53664050
shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.]

ITT retards from around the world gather to spend literally all day and night throwing racist insults at each other. This is the unity that Hololive brings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53619490
The Covid boom made them too arrogant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53670327
The hour at the internet cafe is almost up anon and you gotta cook up some pagpag tonight.

[Anonymous No.]

>no gen 3
>too many homos too fast
>the most popular member doesn't stream or tweet
>half the members told their fans to go fuck themselves
>covid is over
>lots of 2 views and 3 views that stream daily, play better games, sing better, and overall try harder than the current members

[Anonymous No.]

>>53632466
They removed Omega's account from the official HoloEN's recommended channels just recently, also
https://files.catbox.moe/6onzn8.mp4

[Anonymous No.]

>>53674825
what game is she playing here

[Anonymous No.]

>>53675073
TEPIC
Lost Epic