/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

So...how rich holos are?
Do you think the bottoms one like Anya can stop working yet still buy a house and have a comfortable life?

[Anonymous No.]

ask nijisanji, they are able to live on 2%. bottom line they can make a normal salary with an easier job.

and yes i am living rent free, can't say for Niji every month.

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>>53207208
Rococo bought a house in Tokyo like last year and she's one of the bottom most JPs. Considering Indonesia is probably way cheaper than Japan or the US than Anya is probably living pretty well especially since it's actually more common nowadays for her to break into the 4 digit CCV.

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>>53209154
i still wonder if she lives in japan

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>>53207433
2 percent is only for merch

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Kobo cried because Mori bought her an expensive dinner and she's the biggest ID

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>>53213501
She still lives in Indonesia.

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>>53213501
Isn't her audience full of broke students? It doesn't really matter how many of those subscribe to your channel.

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>>53207208
>go to playboard.co
>look at a holos lifetime superchat income
>double that amount to account for membership money
>now reduce the total amount down to 20% to represent company cuts and taxes
That's roughly how much they earned from youtube in their time at Hololive
It's missing income from merch of course but it can at least give you a ballpark figure

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>>53213501
I live in a first world country but even I might tear up if someone bought me a $700 meal.

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>>53207208
>Anya
>living in SEA
Yep she can, she actually gets a decent amount of revenue.

>>53212479
yes, she still meets with other members irl so.
and there's no point of her leaving.

[Anonymous No.]

Top holos are pretty much set for the foreseeable future assuming they don't have any expensive addictions. I'd be willing to bet that maybe only 15% of the talents across the whole company are smart enough to budget/prepare. JP holos are definitely in a good position because they get so many sponsorships they can cash in on. From the Bae discord leak the EN talents also get pretty lucrative deals, but it seems like every week a talent like Polka is having her image be used in something else.

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>>53214361
>a talent like Polka
Not exactly the best example for your point. She's heavily tapped for collaborations for her experience and charisma rather than popularity, especially anything that will involve voice work or actual promoting.

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If they aren't streaming as much as other vtubers, you know they aren't hurting for money. Those desperate for money are those who stream often, read every superchat possible with superchat reading streams and do long streams to get as much money out of people as they can.

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>>53212629
exact

they also do not receive a salary

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>>53207208
Anya couldn't if she lived in the US or japan but for an Indonesian she makes really good money. Could probably coast for a few years off what she made in Hololive if she quit today.

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>>53207208
you realize anya doesn't stream much because she's already rich right? poor girls in indonesia don't end up fluent in japanese. not just able to get by, she is literally more advanced in her jp than a good number of holojp. ...and you don't get that from manga.

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>>53207208
Honestly too rich
Rich yet unambitious holos are a problem for Cover, since there's almost nothing they can do about them without incurring huge backlash

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>>53214052
It was $700? What the fuck. You can live off a few months with that amount

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>>53216387
bro really said jp fluency proves you're rich

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>>53214361
>Bae discord leak
qrd?

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>>53216858
i said she's been in a financial situation to be allowed to develop such jp skills. she's well educated. she doesn't try-hard stream because it's not necessary.

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>>53217157
A month or so ago Bae accidentally showed a discord invite that anons were able to join. It was for an old collab server for the AmongUs promo. Showed that if they streamed for an hour they got a few thousand dollars iirc. Most noteable of that was that Kiara was the tard wrangler of EN and that a manager thought you could play Among Us with only 4 people.

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>>53207208
Even Azki quitted being a OL recently, I bet she is able to buy a big house for her "family" is she wants.

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>>53213501
I can safely say on average, the top of the top holoIDs are on that almost 6 digits range. They make insane money for Indonesians but roughly have less monthly earnings than a banking manager in the US

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>>53216619
probably why she cried

[Anonymous No.]

the top holos are millionaires
next thread

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>>53217446
and that fauna is super professional and always responded pretty quickly to the managers and even kiara

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>>53207208
Anya is a shitty example. If you gross $36k USD in Indonesia you are top 10% so upper middle class, very nice lifestyle. If you gross $150k USD then you are in the top 1%
Kobo for example has probably made more money since debut than her dad made his entire life.
Someone like Anya or Roboco probably can't retire today, but they are at the very least upper middle class
>>53213501
Indogs are poor as shit. Kobo is probably making bank, but Mori still probably bought her food that would have cost her dad multiple months worth of wages

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>>53218420
Fauna is one of the older ENs and had a job before holo, which is why she is professional and doesn't want to waste this oppertunity
>>53217446
It wasn't thousands. It was 50k JPY which is $350 USD in todays money. It was a 90 min stream, Even if you say an hour of preptime, thats still a nice payout for for 2.5 hours work plus superchats plus not having to plan a stream

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>>53213501
My family is well off and even I get super apprehensive if get dinner that's above like $50-60 USD. Most expensive I've gotten was a $90+ Dollar Steak dinner at a resort restaurant in Hawaii and I still felt bad about it.

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>>53219113
The telling part of that wasn't that they could make 50k in like two hours, but that Kiara had to beg them to work for 25k yen an hour lol. They either rich or incomprehensibly lazy.

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>>53219573
lucky you, money can't solve all problems, but it make 99% of my problems go away.

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>>53218060
>"family"
Kek

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>>53218561
Yeah, 36k is a lot. But it's not that much if you want to get a decent house in Jakarta. Even if she chose a house in neighboring city, a small subsidized house sized around 200 square feet can cost around 10-20k USD.

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>>53218060
Why'd it take her this long to quit?

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>>53219655
Or they could have other 25k yen/hour options to pursue, stop thinking in binary choices.

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>>53220522
her holo career just felt right after the long hair model debut

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>>53213501
Rich people arent human

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>>53219113
>had a job before holo
Unironically the deciding factor for me in whether I can tolerate a girl or not.

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>>53219573
>My family
Get a job, loser.

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>>53220522
She wasn't onboarded as a Holo until this year. Pekora and all the other popular girls did their best to integrate her into the group, the Geoguessr streams really made her blow up in popularity.

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>>53207208
Millionaires or set for life? No, unless they're investing intelligently.
But all the JPs and ENs are definitely bringing home six figures in revenue every year. Even if they all graduated this very moment, every single holo could live comfortably for a few years while they sort things out.
Top vtubers from other companies are in a similar spot though it'll depend on the company and how outgoing that particular talent is. Someone like Patra for example is very comfortable with their income.

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>>53213930
+ merch + salary + events + promo collabs + sponsored streams + ad revenue for all their vods
that's why people like gura do not HAVE to stream anymore (but she still wants to).

[Anonymous No.]

bro anya lives in indogland you can buy a mansion for like $20 she's fine

[Anonymous No.]

I remember during the height of their popularity, Ina was talking about how she had more money than she knew what to do with and had to hire a professional to handle her money.

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>>53222848
Fuck these rich bitches

[Anonymous No.]

With anya japanese skill, even she drop holo now she still have a decent life, language teacher (especially japanese) is very high paid in Sea country like ID

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>>53207208
suichan is probably the highest-paid vtuber in the world, she made almost 3 millon dolars the first 3 months of this year.and that's not counting sponsored streams like the spotify one, chillout or that tsutaya t-card collab whit her face on it that literally crashed their website when was announced, also her 2 radio programs, and all the collaboration merch that doesn't sell on the holo shop and the merch sold in her concert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW5MhZMEx74

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>>53224134
It is not fair.

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>>53224134
also this plushie was sold out and restocked 3 times
hololive friends with u Hoshimachi Suisei 16500 $22.00 $363,000.00

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>>53220310
I think I'd break my arm from how fast it'd move to my phone to call the number on the house if I saw a house that only costed 10-20k USD. That's insanely cheap.

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>>53213501
This guy is poor or doesn't have pretty well off friends.

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>>53221522
You're the loser man, his parents are winning in life cause their kid doesn't have to work.
You have the mentality of a loser, successful people learns, failed people blames. You should instead strive to be like his parents, work your ass off so your children (and of course you also) can live like royalty.

[Anonymous No.]

I mean in just 5 minutes Irys made over 100 grand from anniversary merch so yeah I'm guessing pretty rich

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>>53226798
This should be illegal. Unironically. Especially for a retard like IRyS.

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>>53221960
Gura doesn't have to stream because her parents are fucking loaded (Gura is likely loaded too), but her parents won the fucking boomer lottery where they paid like under $100k or something for Gura's childhood house and then sold it for $5 million. Like Gura, Reine, Fauna and Mori are the only holos where their parents are legit richer than they are

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>>53222848
Ina never mentioned she had "too much money"
She was talking about this like a week after superchats were enabled and its why she doesnt go out of her way to thank people for them. Ina has literally told takos they should spend their money on other things.

ina is a professional artist commissioned by mobile games, etc.
She's always had money, hololive was and will always be a side gig/hobby for her.

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>>53207208

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>>53230527
No. She said she already "had money" and joining Hololive made her "too much money" and she didn't know what to do with it, so she had to hire someone to take care of that for her.

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>>53226221
Nah I ain't poor

[Anonymous No.]

Ina is a good artist but i dont think her “main job” make 1/2 the money she make from her holo side job, lol

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>>53226593
I've noticed that people no longer have the goal of being successful so their children's, children's wouldn't have to work. Guess that long term thinking isn't that popular nowadays with the whole Eat the Rich mentality being popular.

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>>53231158
>Shows off large stacks of cash
>Not investment numbers
You might be "rich", but you sure aren't wealthy.

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>>53231158
lmao why do you have stacks of cash laying around? are u a drug dealer?
also, don't tell me you keep this around just so you can 'btfo' someone calling you poor?

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>>53232731
>>53232937
he probably lives in some shithole with hyperinflation like argentina or turkey

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>>53233375
Those are USD, so I don't see how that would matter.

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>>53233474
usd is a relatively stable currency. if you're stuck somehwere with a ton of inflation and a bunch of monetary controls, you keep all of your money in usd from black market exchanges so it doesn't all inflate away

[Anonymous No.]

They're all 100x richer than (You)r wagecuck or NEET ass which is why unhealthy simping for them is especially dumb. Miss me with that 'collabing with males' shit, they're already cucking us all with the money they receive from mostly quasi-broke simps just like you.

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>>53233665
This.

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>>53231228
Considering she's designed for multiple gacha games and doing LN illustrations, I think it's safe to say there's plenty of rolling income.

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>>53212629
noooooo but muh narrative!
i can't believe they're not getting 2% of a $100 akasupa!! it's actually not even $2 because youtube takes a raw 30% cut first!!1111
$1.4 for every $100 akasupa is such a retarded concept but the retards keep peddling it

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>>53232731
>>53232937
>>53233375
Nice assumptions, poorfags. Show your money or STFU.

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>>53207208
>another doxshit thread for badly-informed incels to bitch about how everyone except them is a zillionaire and is a poser for every being dissatisfied about anything
I'll save you some time:
1) No one here has any fucking idea how much of the vtubers make because no one's seen their contracts.
2) Even if any of the idols are actually /here/. they'd never breathe a word about it for fear of violating their NDA.
3) You're a shitty person for basing your assessment of someone based on their salary even if you did know.
4) This isn't related to their content and shouldn't be discussed on /vt/.

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>>53216619
No, the overall bill came out to 70000 yen, which the other anon conveniently exchanged to 700$, which has not been true since the financial crisis roughly, it's just shy of 500 dollars on the current exchange rate. But that's actually not the point as Mori paid for Kobos's half only because Kobo only had a 10000 yen bill on her and her share was more than that. Considering Kobo spent the previous days sightseeing with her family (who probably were only able to come thanks to Kobo's money unless some doxxnigger tells me they're rich) and dressing up in Harajuku fashion clothes, she has more than enough to get by.

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>>53234526
>only able to come thanks to Kobo's money
How? She earns less than Robocco in superchat $$$, probably even less in merch

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>>53234672
See >>53221960 and facror in that the costs of living in Indonesia are considerably cheaper so she won't chew through the money as fast. Even ID girls make a nice living out of the gig, although they are probably not set for life like many JP/EN members are. For example, Moona often just buys expensive tech like a new PC or studio mics and tech prices are fairly standard across the world, plus she is also planning on releasing an EP which can easily go into five digits of her own money since Cover doesn't sponsor the girls for their own music projects. The fact that she can do that easily is a good sign of ID making decent money.

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>>53233665
Pretty much. When I first got into vtubers it never crossed my mind that 'paying money so millionaires can eat gold flaked wagyu beef' was a thing that was ever going to be on the menu.

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>>53207208
I hope they're all struggling

[Anonymous No.]

I think they are making around 100k yearly on average
The EN1 gen are probably millionaires by now though

[Anonymous No.]

Just think about how much Marine said she was spending on making her orisong MVs

[Anonymous No.]

I don't think any of the ones big enough to get a couple of outside sponsorships a year (fbk, pekora, etc) with companies like famima or nissin make any less than a hundred million yen a year. Unless sponsors are a lot more stingy in Japan, big western streamers have broken down their financials and memberships/direct donations are a small slice of the pie

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>>53213501
anyone would cry upon spending hundreds of dollars on one dinner

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>>53235950
Any woman or poorcel, maybe.

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>>53229978
at this point i just believe that gura is a money magnet

even under her senzawa identity she got hella popular and made lots of money, how the fuck does she never fail

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>>53224134
rushia is likely a millionaire too

not only she largely made a million only on superchats when she was in holo, but if you also count the other sources of revenue, and add what she makes as mike and nazuna, she's likely in the top 5 of the richest vtubers out there

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>>53231228
She took off several months of HL to do illustrations for games.

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>>53235950
Heh, poorfags. I regularly spend $300 and more eating out at places with good food.

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>>53236235
The AI thread is for larping

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>>53236119
She made a few videos that went viral, but I'm not sure how much money she really made. People really really overplay how "popular" she was.

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>>53236235
well i fucking don't

i can barely afford a bed or a pc, i'm not the one choosing to live like that

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>>53234524
Calm down dear. It's just a thread.

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>>53236316
in 2020 she was extremely popular, she easily made thousands with just the ad revenue

she just didn't really care about money it seems, she never made merch or shit like that, and she barely made any content

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>>53236185
except she spent all that money hiring lawyers for whatever reason

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>>53236426
I'm not trying to say that a few of her songs/videos weren't incredibly popular for the time. I'm sure she made bank.

But she barely made any content by your own admission. She wasn't "popular". Most people would barely know her as the "whatever you say boomer song" girl from that Bernie girl dance video.

[Anonymous No.]

Here is some napkin math to estimate how much the average Hololive streaming is making a year.

Gross profit is total revenue minus cost of sales. So total revenue (20451 mil yen) minus gross profit (9396 mil yen) gives us cost of sales (11055 mil yen). Cost of sales are all expenses are directly related to producing a good or service.

In slide 8, we can see the breakdown of cost of sales. Exact numbers are not shown but from eyeballing the bar graphs it looks like that performer remuneration makes up roughly 40%. This means around 40% of 11055 mil yen is paid to the talents. That is 4422 mil yen or 32,834,601 USD.

Dividing that by the 75 hololive talents, we get 437,794 USD per talent. However, this includes holostars so the average for the girls are likely a bit higher. It is also pretax of course.

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>>53233665
Based take.

I do like the characters, the designs and lore, but end of the day they are no different from Hollywood. Don't get too attached.

[Anonymous No.]

Noel is definitely the richest based on kemono numbers.

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>>53236528
there was a better slide that show rev share with talents with the first 20 explicitly listed. IIRC if you're in top 20 you're making >$2 million a year

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>>53236528
>>53236955
found it, sorry it was $1.1 million if you're top 20

[Anonymous No.]

I'd say most of them set for life, but I'm judging by big fleshtubers and comparing numbers in my head etc.

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>>53237097
>>53237167
They make ok money for entertainers. If they aren't saving they will regret it. I don't think it's a lasting income. Good for them. Stop sending superchats and similar pointless spend on them. I don't personally understand merch, but at least it's a physical thing. They don't make most of their money off of donos anyway right? So they won't hurt much if people stop doing it.

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>>53237097
I expect the variance is absolutely huge too. Like the bottom members aren't anywhere near the median. Also wonder how EN is ranking. I imagine most of them are pretty average to low, with exceptions for Gura and maaaaybe Mori.

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>>53237097
That image assumes that 30% of the costs of sales is spent producing merch and the remaining 70% is paid to talents. However, the author did not know that expenses related to producing events is also part of cost of sales. The break down in Cover's slide show makes it look around 40% of Cost of Sales is spent paying talent. Using 40% instead of 70%, it looks like #1 is paid $1,444,722 a year and #20 is paid $656,692

[Anonymous No.]

Reine is the richest with or without holo no debate.her mom main salary is about 300-400k USD per month its the avarage salary of director/CEO of big company in Indonesia and it doesn't include other benefit.

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>>53207208
They make shitloads of money, are mostly college educated and/or come from good families, so I'm assuming the vast majority of them is investing properly.
>Anya
lives in Indonesia, so she's completely fine
>>53213501
I'm assuming she cried because not being able to pay for your own meal at a restaurant is embarrassing, not because she can't afford it. Was also her first time in Japan (and also her first time outside of Indonesia, I think?), so her fucking up her budgeting for the trip isn't that surprising

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>>53207208
>>53209154
Glad someone pointed out members who are at the bottom are doing financially and outside of securing funds for vtuber related equipment even producing songs and those related to it buying your own home should be your first priority investment. I'm sure buying a home in Japan or Indonesia is way better than buying one in this satanic country America.

Anya's like on her 3rd year? I think that's really good than what poor people like me who can only hope for one can say.

>>53207433 >>53212629 >>53215373 >>53234241
Enna lives in a 2 bedroom apartment which should be very costly so she's doing decently I am guessing despite the two biggest thieves taking the bulk of her money, kurosanji and youtube (30% cut for doing absolutely nothing how fucking fowl). Reimu bought and now owns an apartment or something I'm not really sure. It's not a home or anything but it's something and has been renovating it but she's had to limit her budget for a few months according to her. Kotoka I believe her life situation has improved but she and her wave are still months new. I don't know anything on the rest of the talents I watch (Pomu, Rosemi, Meloco and Finana just to check on her)

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>>53235387
What? You can eat gold flakes?

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>>53229978
Wamy...

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>>53219573
wtf? Who would buy a single dinner for $90??? Holy shit. My grocery costs that much and I have to try and make it last for over 2 weeks.

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>>53239315
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_gold

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>>53219823
That's what I heard too.

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>>53239432
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_gold
What the fuck that's crazy. I only ever heard putting gold flakes in your hair which I got from King Solomon in the bible.

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>>53239315
It's biologically inert. You'll just poop it out without affecting your biology.

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>>53239568
Don't tell me they got people to get their shit too and recycle it too?

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>>53239568
>send oshi $10
>she uses it to pay extra for the gold flakes
>poops them out and flushes them later
kek

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>>53236528
I think, in this type of industry, even when you have total revenue and total talent, we still cant estimate how much ech talent earn. Because this is the industry that top tier like pekora earn maybe 10 or even 100 times more than her low tier co worker

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>>53207208
I remember Watame made a whole music album relying only on her previous merch sales (I think it's the one with scarf). She need to pay a lot for composer, musicians and writers and yet she can afford it.

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>>53213501
Dude, it's $700. I don't care how many Anthony Bourdain or Gordon Ramsay videos you saw most great dinner can be had for $200 or even less.
Hell, one of the Bourdain's guilty pleasure is to eat a roadside sausage in Thailand or Vietnam

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>>53213740
Most of them only send around Rp15,000 ($1) via Sociabuzz but it came every second non stop when she's streaming.

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>>53214361
Korone literally already voicing several TV ads. You can youtube search it, someone actually compile Korone TV ads. Also yeah, Polka also had some income. She already did crazy stuff like bungee jumping and skydiving as Korone. Probably paid by the prefecture to promote their prefecture.

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>>53207208
The JP girls probably have way less than you think due to shitty taxes

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>>53215283
Or hear me out: They actually appreciate and love every akasupa sent their way.

[Anonymous No.]

Gura clears. The shark is too strong. She's literally the face of Hololive. How bitter must Pekora be that a lazy Gaijin outearns her by 2x easily because her merch will sell out instantly no matter what.

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>>53216387
Dude, there's a lot of cheap Japanese language small schools here.
They're subsidized by Japanese govt as well because they employing a LOT of young Indonesian people to work as elderly care in Japan. Hell, I saw 3 when I was on a trip to 2 cities and back in my area (East Java)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21dzuUUCdfg

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>>53217446
Is there screenshots? I just want to see how wholesome they're compared to Niji discord that's full seething.

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>>53218206
>US banking manager
Oh, you mean
THIEVES

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>>53218561
Only one month wage anon.
We're maybe a third world, but we're getting better

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>>53219823
>it make 99% of my problems go away.
lol it actually remind me of this re ddit youtue video where someone asking if there's service(s) that only rich people use. And one of them is to pay a special nanny that's good for one thing: Punishing the children when they misbehave.
Imagine a mom dealing with kids being brats and mom was like "CALM DOWN OR I'M CALLING MRS. PADDINGTON" and the kids went silent.

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>>53221960
Gura is like that because her Dino Gura plushie sales breaking record for Holo merch sales and pretty much jumpstart the "Plushie revolution" where every Holo members suddenly selling plushie as their merch.

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>>53234985
original songs get some funding around 2k rest they cover on their own

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>>53223172
I'm trying anon, I'm trying.

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>>53207208
they richrich

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>>53224134
lol that video.
I rememer Hologirls talk aout Suisei eing the most fashionale memer.
Sorry, 8 letter on my keyoard was roken.

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>>53220310
>around 200 square feet
I'm assuming you mean square meters here kek

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>>53226133
I just want to say that a house in that price range is rather small. But you still get a carport and a tiny front and backyard.

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>>53226798
Source?

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>>53241741
i think he put extra zero into it. but around USD14k from SC not including membership.

https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

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>>53242247
What surprised me more is how deep the numberfags will go.
I never know they made a website just to collect data on how much a Vtuber earn every single stream.
With this kind of skill, just apply for a job in Anykara or Hololive as financial data collection.

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>>53243399
Anon, half of hololive's fanbase consists of ITlets making 150k+ a year and still not getting their dick wet...

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>>53241639
No, it's 226 square feet = 21 square meters, smallest type of subsidized house.

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>>53243696
That's fucking grim then, even the 1 room apartment I had back when I was in university had 36m^2. Can 20m^2 even fit a bedroom, kitchen, and bath?

[Anonymous No.]

Just think about all the Holos with second Homes/studios

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>>53243810
Well, you tell me.

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>>53244455

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>>53243810
Surprisingly, yes. It's usually sold to single or couple without child. The land itself goes between 30-60 square meters depend on the type. So you can expand the house when necessary.
>>53244455
Lol, depend on the location the car can cost more than the house

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>>53244455
as a bachelor that looks cozy enough. Although I'll probably want to make a partition for a small office / study

[Anonymous No.]

>>53240781
guilty pleasure was.. the dude committed suicide a while back.

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>>53245297
Or put transparent awning on the backyard and use it as open air office

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>>53244455
I wish they sold stuff like this in the US. I had a whole room in my last place I never used. I don't need much space...

[Anonymous No.]

You can get a house for almost free in japan from the government.

But the cost of reforming it easily makes it not worth the effort.

Just the cost of removing all the junk from inside can surpass U$ 50k.

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>>53246077
Yeah, free in a rural shithole with maybe 4 people around. And as you said, house could be big but is usually old and lacks many modern amenities.

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>>53237348
absolutely agreeing with this anon. Its great they're making for what they do now, its definitely not long term thing like doing a 9-5 job for 40 years. And yes as long as they're frugal with their money they'll make it last.

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>>53221827
You seem to assume all of them are responsible with their money when that's not necessarily the case. Some of them spend a lot while a low-earner like Ina was already set for life milking her parents that she doesn't even touch her Holo money.

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>>53245878
Buy a small patch of land and build your own cozy little house?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o53VAut3pw8
Or just get a container house
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0T8rUk68Jk

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>>53222848
That was not at the "height of their popularity", that was around the time she was getting sick and taking a year off.

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>>53246577
Yeah. The US used to have a system for funneling people into starter homes... Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. In their neverending quest for money and fucking over anyone else, the boomers killed it (after they took advantage of it). There's a lot to hate the actual boomers for.

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>>53233665
Isn't that a big part of the appeal of the new gens though? Yes, plenty of them come in rich but I think a lot of people want to support the new ones and help them get successful and then after they've done that they're in too deep and feel like they have a relationship so they just keep going. I don't think anyone past the early months believes they are helping the needy and you're retarded if you believe people giving the money aren't rich. They'd be arrested for some sort of fraud otherwise because they are getting that money from somewhere.

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>>53217446
>>53218420
It basically just confirmed what people already knew.

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>>53246077
Or Italy. Even though it's the same problem.
Unless you're rich and you want a Japanese or Italian wife.

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>>53239411
In the US any upscale restaurant will be around 100/person, quite a bit more if you start including alcohol.

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>>53236528
>However, this includes holostars so the average for the girls are likely a bit higher
Kek

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>>53237348
For HoloID, they make GREAT money for entertainers lol

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>>53243399
Well if it make you feel better, most of them work in some sort of financial institute and just shitpost.

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>>53217446
Did anyone take screenshots of the server and posted them here? I'd like to do some archive diving in that case.

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>>53207208
Kaela rich enough to travel through most of Europe
Choco rich enough to travel with nothing but her card, shopping for stuffs as she goes
Matuli bought a car for her mom's birthday
Kobo always pick the most expensive dish in the restaurant
Miko slept and ate breakfast in 5 stars hotel in Tokyo with her mom
Pego is so filthy rich she bet 500k yen in real horse racing for fun
Many chubba came from wealthy families like Ojou, Ramy, Botan and especially Reiner

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>>53247737
Are people using entertainers as a proxy for top 0.01% of entertainers? Most actors are in commercials, most models hold golf clubs for the Skymall catalogue, most athletes never make it to the big leagues. Your average ID would literally murder someone to get Risu's yearly income.

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>>53248282
Noel, who made bank from her rmt activities before she joined Holo, outright said Holo made her enough money she felt like she could slack off on her day job. It's not hard numbers but if the two are even in the same ballpark for a mid level like Noel, the top dogs are eating well

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>>53247681
kys frogshitter

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>>53207208
Ame, Mori & Ina said they don't stream to earn money anymore.
Ame disabled unskippable ads on her channel.

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>>53239266
>Hates America
>Is a nijikek
I hate nijikeks even more now, bet you live in LA or NY or something

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>>53234672
Because the average indonesian makes $710 a year (maybe that's per month and its $8,520 a year) and the top 10% of indogs make $36,000 and the top 1% of indogs make $150,000 a year. So there is no way Kobo isn't filthy rich in terms of indogs.
With the exception of Reine, pretty much every ID girl has made more than their parents did in their entire life.

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>>53237348
I think with holo they make a higher % of the price you pay from merch than they do from supers. Which is why Ina said to fuck off sending her supers and just buy her merch so you get something for your money. And its also why Gura wasn't ever streaming, but made fucking sure to show up to every last stream where she had to shill merch. Some of the girls like Gura are likely making as much or more off of sponsorships than they are from supers, which again is why Gura can go like 2 months without streaming and then show up and do a shill stream for alice fiction where she never practiced the song beforehand

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>>53233665
This is why I only support broke 2views

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>>53237546
Mori's stepdad is legit betabux and rich enough to send mori and her sister to some super expensive private school that she went to with like CEO and celeb daughters because her mom must have looked like Mori prime for quite awhile. Gura's parents made like $5 million in profit from selling their house.
Like I don't think Gura was rich rich growing up, certainly top 10% which is only like $120k, but her parents hit the boomer lottery

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>>53239266
pretty sure buying a house in tokyo is just as fucking retarded as buying a house in a suburb of any major US city. Like I live by NYC and a quick googling says the median house in some areas of tokyo are around the same as house prices here

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>>53246577
you must be yuropean or some shit. In the US we generally have laws about minimum lot and building sizes so you can't just buy a small piece of land in most towns and build whatever anymore because we can't just ban blacks and jews and mexicans from living in the town, so they do this retarded single family home minimum lot size shit to make it too expensive for blacks and mexicans to move into the town and ruin the schools and start crime.

>>53246734
The amount of money boomers made off of buying starter homes and selling them is unreal

[Anonymous No.]

Fbk's papa dropped 100K$ on her because he loves her so much.

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>>53250339
why is this even a discussion still, we know the top half of holo literally nets at least very high 6 figures into the low bracket of 1 million, with the big dogs netting multiple millions a year just in merch, slap on the youtube members bc u fucking retards will stay membered to trash chubbas til u die and boom these girls dont even need to think about money in a day to day scenario

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>>53263198
no new yab today, we're recycling

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>>53233608
Yes, and there is a pattern to WHY that is
Even when the Dollar TANk during covid, in this coountries it GO UP because its use as back up, while the US back up is gold and silver
What a joke

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>>53263362
uh, the gold standard is long dead. the usd is backed up by tanks and missiles.

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>>53247970
I doubt that. They're just too autistic and only good in making Excel spreadsheets.

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>>53248282
Some of these only happened after they got popular and start getting rained with money.
Kobo for example, openly told us that her family was pretty much a middle class family. Her dad even trying to save money by building her studio that resulted in failure.

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>>53250273
Many Indonesians have this fascination of hedonistic lifestyle. There's even a TV show that pretty much just visiting a celebrity house to see what kind of expensive stuff they have and how much it cost.

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>>53256780
Kek you're just jealous. Purchasing a house in the middle of a big city is a good investment especially when that city is thriving. Please don't compare it with current San Francisco where big businesses left the city.

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>>53257375
Well that's your country's problem. Land so wide your govt can make a bullshit rule like that.
The more I read about US regulations, the more confused I am. Why so many ridiculously unnecessary regulations? For example a lot of states literally made living off-grid illegal
https://www.primalsurvivor.net/living-off-grid-legal/
"Land of the free"

[Anonymous No.]

>>53264660
Every country has an analogous show or series to that, ESLchama. You haven't heard of "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous"?

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>>53207208
how rich is Haachama?

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>>53263492
That's a fucking lie and everyone knows that.
Even US govt knew that (they're not fools) and that's why they still keep their mountain of gold safe.
When the economy bloated and implode, they will go back to gold standard.

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>>53265387
its the fault of the jews and the yuros
>jews/yuros import millions of blacks as slaves
>great black migration/brown v board of ed
>all the white people move out of cities
>various civil rights and anti redlining laws made by jews
>weird zoning laws as a result
Literally the whole thing is trying to still live near cities like Australia or the neatherlands or japan does while also not wanting to live near blacks because at the very best blacks ruin the school system of the towns they are in. So as a result towns make these weird laws so they can ban the poor which in turn bans the vast majority of blacks. You might still get 1 or 2 black or literal african immigrants (not refugees, like rich Nigerans or jamaicans) and that's fine because they are good people, but it keeps out all the blacks who are scumbags. Even one of the black NBA players, steph curry, went to a protest in the rich town he lives in and made sure they wouldn't change the zoning laws or build low income housing because he didn't want any poor blacks moving into the town and "ruining the town character".
If you ever see anything about people bitching about American laws or suburbs or roads or housing or public transit or how things aren't walkable its pretty much always because people don't want to send their kids to school with blacks.
>>53264949
I can be in NYC in like 10 mins if I drive (like 30 via bus) and my home has gone up in price by over 50% of what I paid for it 4 years ago and I constantly have jewish real estate agents calling, emailing and texting me to try to buy my house. My boomer parents are planning to sell their house in the next year or 2 and managed to triple the value they paid for it, to say nothing of the fact that my dad is a turbo jew and paid that thing off like a decade after he bought it and as such they have been living there mortgage free for like 15 years

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>>53265401
Well, we don't have that kind of TV show before 2010s EOPchan. Meanwhile US pretty much doing that since the 80s (or even earlier than that).

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>>53265582
Not reallly that rich.
Living in Philippines is cheap and she went to Australia as part of exchange student program.

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>>53207208
>indonesia
anon you are rich in SEA if you have a 1000€/$ donation once a year

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>>53266270
idiot

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>>53266998
>Can't argue back
>Resorting to insult my intelligence
If you claim that the gold standard is dead, then tell us the reason(s). Then explain to us why US still holding on to their gold reserve?
Or you're just a fucking parrot. Squawk squawk motherfucker.

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>>53207208
They only need a couple hundred simps membered and a few whales religiously akasupaing to be well above the regular dude for the time they invest in this shit and their laughable excuse for "qualifications".

[Anonymous No.]

>>53213930
anon, that's literally the least of their income
merch and sponsorships are where the real money is at, at least for Holo
for Nijis not so much, since merch revenue goes to the company

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>>53217446
are there screen shots of this?

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>>53241202
yeah, take an archive dive
it wasn't particularly wholesome, just professional while still friendly and lighthearted
but to be fair it was just a one off server for that particular collab, not a personal server where members pour their heart out like what leaked for niji

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>anya
Makes zero dollars because ID rupiat or whatever their currency is is not valuable.
>EN girls
Make the most per capita as Americans have high disposable income, which makes you realize how fucking poor people are globally since most burgers tend to struggle.
>JP girls
Depends on the girl but they range from comfortable neets like Roboco to able to form her own company to yell at ichimi like Marine.

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>>53256780
>>53264949
Your problem is that you're assuming roboco has some 10 year plan to properly invest the money. Realistically like most women she just blew all her cash on the house and will have no thought given to maintenance or whatever. That's a mistake anons on this board always make- they're like "if I had a vagania and could be a vtuber like gura I would invest 1 million dollars into coca cola and a high APY government bond for those sweet annual dividends and interest rates", women don't know about that shit.

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>>53256541
Mori was middle class if anything anon . They way she describes it

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>>53270368
can you provide the date of the threads?

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This thread will give a heart attack to a nijipro

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>>53271188
mori wasn't normal middle class. When it was her her sis and her mom they were either middle class or poor, but her betabux step dad has money and the private school mori went to she might have been poor in comparison to some of the kids, but her step dad was clearly in the top 2% of income earners

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>>53271148
House is still a good investment anon. Also unlike US Housing crash of 2008 Japan actually retain their housing value better.
Here's some rough estimation for housing price:

>In September 2020, the average listing price for a newly constructed detached wooden house in Tokyo of between 100-sqm and 300-sqm (1,076 sqft and 3,229 sqft) was:
>Greater Tokyo Area: ¥36,850,000 ($354,000)
>Tokyo (23 Wards + Western Suburbs): ¥42,880,000 ($412,000)
>Tokyo 23 Wards: ¥59,410,000 ($570,000)
>Tokyo western suburbs: ¥40,110,000 ($385,000)
https://resources.realestate.co.jp/news/how-much-does-it-cost-to-buy-a-house-in-tokyo-october-2020-update/

Even when Roboco is not in the top 10 Holo but she's the second Holo member after Sora. She accumulated a LOT of money from her constant merch sales, akasupa and voice packs (and also a lot of early Sponsorship, Like Nissin Cup Noodle) so it's not a surprise if she collected several millions Yen in saving and can afford to buy a house.

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>>53274408
it's amazing how affordable tokyo is vs any other first world city of comparable size. literally like a 1/3rd to a 1/4th of the price of places in london, paris, LA, NYC, etc

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>>53214361
EN can't experience the same because they have weak link members. case in point: bae and kronii.

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>>53275029
Because Japan has surprisingly easy regulation for housing. Compare that to Hong Kong where they refuse to open more land for housing, creating a housing crisis and skyrocketing price. Some even live in cages:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLrFyjGZ9NU
Sorry for Vox video, but that's the shortest documentary I can find
And this is why the housing price in Hong Kong is the most expensive in the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs5L3c40cvk

Meanwhile Tokyo was like "Go ahead, build more apartments and houses"

[Anonymous No.]

>>53207208
Most of them can speak English, so they're better off than (You) regardless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53275667
>Weak
>Bae
>Kronii
What the fuck are you drinking anon?

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>>53207208
not much

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>>53207208
Not so rich

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>>53274408
>>53275029
I read that Japan is often demolishing old houses because of earthquakes and shit, then building new ones for cheap and that's why housing is affordable over there. I read that houses often lose value over time rather than appreciate.

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>>53271193
I wish I could give it to you anon but I remember that it was a really fun day. Antis thinking they're about to get a ton of yabs in the discord itself only to get slapped in realization that Holos are just as professional and wholesome behind the scenes. It was unironically boring. I think the most yab that came out of it was a bunch of discord mods from official fan discords were finally identified. Managers included

Despite my moral obligation to hate Kiara, that shit actually made me respect her a little bit more and made me get into Fauna.

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>>53224134
my oshi stays winning

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>>53217446
I don't think anyone is surprised by that. Kiara's been the glue holding them together for a while.

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>>53221411
Pretty much why all the most consistent streamers are hags. They know how much having a real job sucks, and they don't want to ruin a good thing.

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>>53242247
Suisei's SC numbers are surprisingly low, but maybe that's not surprising given how actively she discourages GFE.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm glad they are taxed for 50% of their income according to Mori because I feel bad hearing about people enough money to make my whole family millionaires in just an anniversary stream or two. I said it. Tax the rich, tax them a fuck ton.

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>>53295208
consistent and professional. You're less likely to go menhera if you already have soul-sucking job experience in a place that ate up half of your waking day at least for 5 out of 7 days. Far more if your job is shit.

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>>53295707

The top marginal tax rate for income in Japan is 45%, 37% in the US, and all of the money they make is just ordinary income.

The US and Japan have a tax treaty though, so she was definitely wrong about being taxed twice. I'm sure she has an accountant at this point, but she might have just said that to get more gibs.

[Anonymous No.]

I did quick estimates awhile ago but I remember it being that most EN holos average in the ballpark of 700k-900k a year. While Gura and Mori probably make way more then the average. That includes youtube ads, superchats, sponsors, merch, and events like animeexpo through ticket sales. Hey if some shitty 4view on twitch could flash million dollar deals it's not out of the realm of possibility that most holos are millionaires.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53295860
Probably why all the ghost streamers are mostly the youngest ones. Shion, Ayame, Laplus, Aqua

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>>53296048
Based on the Hololyzer someone posted earlier, EN makes way more than JP in general due to the larger audience. It's actually kind of surprising who's making the most VS who isn't. It has less to do with viewer numbers and more to do with what kind of audience they've built up.

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>>53296048
They do travel to really expensive places and buy really expensive food and merch, so it is pretty obvious that yes, they are quite rich. The only thing you don't hear from them is how good their houses or cars are, and of course they wouldn't tell you that

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>>53296105
Streamers are quickly becoming one of the richest professions in the world. It's hard to say with EN v JP because they both buy a shit ton of merch. While JP holos have the luxery of getting actual good sponsors like TV ads for junkfood or some shit. JP holos are fucking everywhere in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53296187
We know some moved out of the places they started. Like Ina and Gura. Mori seems like she has like 3 houses by now the way she describes it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53234672
>How? She earns less than Robocco in superchat $$$, probably even less in merch
Can't compare those earnings with HoloID. Since many donate through Sociabuzz. They link it on all their streams:
https://sociabuzz.com/kobokanaeru/tribe
Hololive is a pretty white company to allow such.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53296187
all the rich holos own g wagens, which are expensive but are the best overall luxury/status suv and with the benefit of it retaining its value

[Anonymous No.]

>>53296105
I would say EN also makes more money due to the stable value of the USD, hell yen crashed twice this year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53231228
Ina's 'main' job does pay well, or she would be drawing for Hololive instead.

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>>53275029
>>53276693
>>53292677
Japan has a shrinking population because no kids and no black people/global south 3rd world migrants. 99% of housing issues in the US are caused by people not wanting to live by blacks. I would assume similar things are happening in post colonial europe.

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>>53296043
It's mori. I don't think she was double taxed. But with anything mori says or does I assume the answer is that she is (by her own admission) a massive fucking retard and not actively malicious or manipulative. She probably misunderstood something someone told her or something she read online and was too big of a retard to verify it before telling the stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53296043
from what I remember she blindly believed something one of her friends told her. she was about to start moving back to america when she said that on stream and was promptly told she was being dumb. she hired an accountant shortly afterwards

[Anonymous No.]

>>53295707
When you're poor
>Hahahaha get taxed you rich bitch!
When you're rich
>Nooooooooooo stop taking my hard earned money! Ayn Rand heeeEEEEELLLLPP!!!
Story as old as time.

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>>53296048
If Gura actually made albums she will swimming in money. I remember there's a guy who's mother use Gura's Christmas songs playlist every Christmas because she loves Gura's voice.
Imagine Gura's Christmas songs replacing Mariah Carey and Stephen Buble Christmas songs in malls and stores across America.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53299386
That's because rich people want to spend money on rich people things when they could just settle for comfortable living.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53296187
>Not showing their blings
Good. I'm sick and tired seeing assholes Like Jake Paul or Ricegum bragging about their Lambo or Rolex. I just want entertainment, fuck this hedonistic lifestyle trend.

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>>53296330
>Mori seems like she has like 3 houses
Correction: She moved a LOT but only renting apartments. She even said pretty recently (like, last week) that she finally planning to buy a house in US (and only renting in JP). So deep down she's still that classic American Belle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53296698
>G Wagon
I'm sorry but as a car enthusiast, Holo girls deserves better.
Enter the Toyota Century.
What's Toyota Century?
It's a car that only made for Japan market. If you're a filthy gaijin you need to submit a request to buy one and they will consider it. Or you can buy it used.
So what make it so good? The car is the top Toyota luxury line car. It's peak comfy car and it's better as a passenger than the driver.
So the girls can hire a dedicated chauffeur for their Century and travel around in class and style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvqNedAgqmg

[Anonymous No.]

>>53207433
Fobp

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>>53299570
Not all rich people want to spend on ultra luxury stuff. That's new rich behaviour. That kind of people suddenly getting a lot of money and want to show that they're rich to other people by wearing ridiculously obnoxious stuff with huge brands slapped in front.
Smart rich people don't care about showing off their riches because they knew it will just bring trouble or people will consider their stuff are fakes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53298013
>3rd world migrants
They actually start opening 3rd world migrants anon. But they're very picky, they want the best of the best

[Anonymous No.]

>>53303387
Yeah, there is even a joke here. The truly rich one isn't the one who wear expensive stuff, but it's usually just some old man wearing this get up.