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53103969 No.53103969 [Reply] [Original]

why can't female and male vtuber live in harmony?

>> No.53104031

>>53103969
>why can't female and male vtuber live in harmony?
because unicorn was a mistake

>> No.53104048

>>53103969
They do though.
They are all friends or lovers on Discord

>> No.53104057

Because beggars are rabid and ceaseless

>> No.53104071

>>53103969
Any sane male vtuber wouldn't need to be a vtuber

>> No.53104111

>>53103969
Because easily at least a quarter of this board would be serial killers or mass shooters if not for female vtubers and any interaction they have with men puts that control over them at risk.

>> No.53104131

>>53104057
>rabid and ceaseless
Since when are beggars unicuckies?

>> No.53104156
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>>53103969
stop shitposting with the clown, he's only meant to make his fans laugh, not for your cringey culture war

>> No.53104256

>>53103969
They obviously do, they just don't show it on stream

>> No.53104305

>>53103969
Good neighbours build great, big, giant, fuck-off walls.

>> No.53104324

>>53104048
>>53104256
Proof next thread?

>> No.53104423
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>>53103969
I mean they do though? Just watch VSPO and they will have vtuber males and flesh males on their stream no sweat

>> No.53104434

>>53103969
because unicorns get mad when males even think about it.

>> No.53104470

>>53104111
Me frfr

>> No.53104492

>>53103969
Let me tell you a secret unicorns hate hearing about...

all girls have male friends off stream *GASP* shocking i know!

Seriously tho this board needs to go outside and touch grass every normal person in this planet knows these bitches have male friends/lovers off stream. ofc they're going to lie to these retards vtubing is their livelihood after all

>> No.53104497

>>53104324
>Axel telling his fans Amelia spent the day helping him get past the australian country barrier that didn't allow him to play Gundam.
They are all friends or possibly more. All of your oshis are talking with Tempus everyday while you keep being a cuck.

>> No.53104509

>>53103969
What do you think all those "roommates, brothers/sisters and family members" are?

>> No.53104554

>>53103969
>he doesnt know about the holol mansion

>> No.53104560

>>53104497
Based Ame

>> No.53104575

>>53104497
>beggar prime said
Looking for solid proof here, anon.

>> No.53104637

>>53104575
I just gave you the proof

>> No.53104666

>>53104492
I never understand the touch grass, just those days I went to a vacation to Germany, I practice some sports like rock climbing, archery, boxing and swimming yet I cried the day I discovered about Azki.

>> No.53104692

>>53103969
they can! if both of them want to.
if one of them doesnt want to, you shouldn't pressure them.

>> No.53104726

>>53104637
Share the clip then

>> No.53104831

>>53104666
That's also me. I got heartbroken when i discovered my oshi who i supported has a bf.
I thought to myself, what's the point of being a fan who supports her then? She already has all the support she needs.
But i think i'm a stronger person for it now, while it made me not trust women it made me turn into a sigma.

>> No.53104887

>>53104031
It must be those imaginary gun right sister.

>> No.53104918

>>53104666
It's funny how trannies are those who tell people to touch grass the most when they are the most terminally online beings (I refuse to call them people) known to man.

>> No.53104990

>>53104726
That will disprove his narrative anon, why would he do that.

>> No.53105127

>>53103969
If I have the option to:
1) Watch a female vtuber or female collab
2) Watch a female and male collab
3) Watch a male or male collab

I'm going to choose 1 every time.

>> No.53105292

>>53104497
It's pretty cringe to go full schizo on Ame for not completely ignoring the homos but it's just as bad to overstate things that happened and fabricate things that didn't to try and get a rise out of people with your cuck fantasies, especially when overall Ame has been pretty welcoming to your homos. At least the unicorns were fans of the girls before getting filtered or going schizo, a lot of you sisters just seem to want to provoke people left and right without even watching the girls or even the men for that matter.

>> No.53105633

>>53103969
Because fans of female vtubers are retarded. Next question

>> No.53105654

>>53103969
they can and they do, just not in holopro

>> No.53105668

>>53103969
They do though. It's the fans that needs to sort themselves out.

>> No.53105850

>>53104324
Why do you need proof when they already share a holopro discord together? It's not that hard to put two and two together

>> No.53105922

>>53105668
If the fans sort themselves out there won't be fans remaining, Miko, Korone, Subaru are entertaining, but do you think they're more entertaining than a good anime, movie, book, novels, series and several others medias?.

>> No.53105951

>>53104324
This is an example of denial folks.

>> No.53106129

>>53105951
Then give us a proof if you are so sure that is true

>> No.53106136

>>53104131
Since conception. They're 2 sides of the same coin.

>> No.53106175

>>53105850
Let me guess, your "proof" for that is Axel apparently sending out an @everyone request for his bad end night cover or the grainy leaked picture of 3 different discord servers on one of Altares early streams?
I don't doubt they do have a shared server for meetings and cross collabs but unless something else leaked there is absolutely no proof of the stars/holo server being integrated.

>> No.53106195

>>53105850
>Why do you need proof
The absolute state

>> No.53106209

>>53106136
that doesn't make sense, anon. how can someone be a unicorn, but want the female to be 'tainted' by male presence?

>> No.53106275

>>53105668
Drop political talk, it's just the same than saying all stars should graduate and you know it.

>> No.53106423
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They'll live in harmony as soon as Vesper lives in harmony with himself.

>> No.53106489

>>53106209
That is just some weird deflection. The stars fanbase was already rotting from inside before tempiss debut. Doesn't help that many people who actually don't give a fuck about the stars just virtue signal H24 while contribuing to nothing possitive. For real the inferiority complex is so unhealthy that you see a lot of mehera stuff around the stars fanbase; well you could explain it with the amount of woman and fag in it though.

>> No.53106543

>>53103969
Watch nijisanji if you want that.

>> No.53106669

>>53106489
what the fuck are you on about? that didn't answer my question.

>> No.53106922

>>53104324
Ok nigger, in hololive and nijisanji they are COWORKERS and share spaces together, space you ofc won't ever see outside a leak on intentional posted by one of them and approved screenshot
In 2view scenes you have "male collabs? never" but you can join the 2view Discord girl yourself and surprise surprise, some fucking male vtuber is there with VIP role, 100% of the times
The VIP male can be found in small corpo discords too even
You don't need proof, you just need to stop being delusional

>> No.53107213

>>53106922
Alright, so you don’t have any proof. I’ll keep waiting, then.

>> No.53107322

>>53103969
Homobeggars need to accept accept the fanbases are different and want different things. The fact the vast majority of them are 3views now and can't capture any of holoEN's audience even when none of the girls are streaming should clue anybody in.
The fact some still try to force it when it is so plainly obvious suggests it really is about exposure for the boys or forcing unity because
>it's what is best for you
The girls don't need white knighting against the evil holochuds, the ones that actually want to collab with them despite it being obvious the fanbase is lukewarm to negative on it will do so. See Bae and Mori.

>> No.53107544

>>53106922
What a way to deflect the fact that you don't have any proof

>> No.53107743

>>53103969
vtubers themselves are pretty much in harmony, its the fans who make it some retarded politics and whine over nothing. both unicorns and beggars are lame

>> No.53107774

>>53103969
so you can leech off to hololive brand even harder?

>> No.53108126

>>53107743
That goes for everything retard.
A football fan will prefer seeing his wife getting raped than seeing the "rival" of his team winning a tournament.

>> No.53108531

>>53103969
Because of their fans

>> No.53108683

They live in the same kind of harmony that inner city blacks and hillbillys do. As far away from each other as possible.

>> No.53108993

>>53104497
What kind of man can't figure stuff like that on his own? Does he need Ame to show him how to check the oil on his car too?

>> No.53108999

>>53108683
Kek

>> No.53109212

>>53103969
Because god make men and woman to have sex and procreate, so is impossible to be just a friend to the opposite sex

>> No.53109881

>>53103969
Why do you care about anime men drawn specifically to attract females so much?

>> No.53110624

>>53108993
Considering her upbringing, you can bet Amelia knows how to fix a car while Axel doesn't even know what a screwdriver is used for.
>>53109212
This is the truth

>> No.53114919

>>53103969
they cringe

>> No.53119643

Peace can only be achieved through total unicorn death. With those undesirables out of the way, vtubers can finally do what they want.

>> No.53120127

>>53119643
Glad the beggars are finally revealing their true nature. You never gave a fuck about supporting the talents. You're all just mentally ill and self righteous twitter troons trying to turn this entire fandom into yet another political crusade. Until it dies and you can move on to the next witch hunt.
Go die in a fucking ditch. You're a tumor to everything you touch.

>> No.53120879

>>53120127
Very true sister. It's only okay when we do it, after all.

>> No.53121473

>>53119643
YWNBAW

>> No.53121604

>>53119643
>vtubers can finally do what they want
And you and people like you will get off twitter into streams and fill the void right? It's not like you just watch clips and can't even muster any decent support for the males let alone watching the women outside of those "unity" collabs because they own the incels.

>> No.53121791

>>53120879
There is a difference between a passionate fan who supports a product and gives negative feedback and a rabid bitter mongoloid who is only here to argue and prove a point when he doesn't even care about the product in question.
>sister
your homos are LITERALLY aimed at women and those are the ones who mainly buy their products. Again, proving you never gave a single fuck about them.

>> No.53121955

>>53103969
Because male vtubers are annoyingly pushed by trannies who cannot stand that vtubing is a majority male hobby with mostly traditionally feminine women.

>> No.53121965
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>>53121473

>> No.53122133

>>53103969
Remember the board wide meltdown /vt/ had because ame sung along with an altare recording for 3 seconds
Yeah

>> No.53122215

>>53121965
Well adjusted people don't browse /vt/ and sure as hell don't need to call themselves well adjusted.
You aren't fooling anyone. Go back to Twitter.

>> No.53122217

>>53121791
Tempus are aimed at men. Yagoo said so.

https://www.youtube.com/live/aVSEJ_Qs2Gk?feature=share&t=6354

>> No.53122254

>>53103969
They can.
Their fans can't.

>> No.53122600

>>53122133
sounds like a /vt/ problem

>> No.53122718

>>53103969
In a time before time, the ancient vtubers indeed thrived with the two sexes in harmony.
The fall of .LIVE led to a roving band of extremists to ravage all vtubing lands.
Then the coming the Great Myth signaled the end of the Age of Gods. At this point, the fanbases of Man began to mix with the barbaric SEA factions. Our old gods shuddered at this sight and abandoned us.

>> No.53122744

>>53122217
>appeal to a male audience with their synergy as a brotherhood
I am not convinced it could ever work but any chance that it could have went out of the window when they tried to mix their two products. Nobody is going to see them as bros when they are intruding on your 2 year fantasy with your oshi no matter how platonic they try to keep it.

Clearly they have changed tactics anyway tempus2 designs are clearly for the sisters and if their fanbase here is in any way representative (and their audience is so small it unironically is) it's all fujos and yume now

>> No.53122796

>>53122215
because all the well adjusted people are on twitter? please grow up

>> No.53123156

>>53122744
>tempus2 designs are clearly for the sisters
>discount vox with a manslut outfit
>shota
>twink
the only design for sisters is Bettel. the other's are designed by faggy men who think they know what women want.

>> No.53123292

>>53123156
I didn't say they were good, just that they were aimed at women

>> No.53123867

>>53121791
>there's a difference between "death to unicorns" and "death to beggars"
No.

>> No.53123931

>>53123156
Bettel is ironically the only one that had a majority normie male gamer Youtuber audience pre-Tempus and his content isn't much different now.

>> No.53124457

>>53122796
No, because you need to go back to your containment center.

>> No.53124762

>>53121791
>If I make my side look as good as possible and the opposing side look as bad as possible, I'm sure to be victorious!
Looks to me like you care more about unicorns' image than the "products"

>> No.53125433

>>53103969
unicorns run the industry

>> No.53126087

>>53121473
Is everyone who disagrees with you a troon? When your mom apologizes to you that McDonald's ran out of nuggies do you also scream "YWNBAW" at her?

>> No.53126412

>>53103969
Because you need to go back. Male and female interactions are normal everywhere else but Holol.

>> No.53126554

>>53106175
>there is absolutely no proof of the stars/holo server being integrated.
Lol ok, you can take my word for it or not but as soon as another leak pops up don't come crying to me that it's true.

>> No.53126688

>>53103969
Because vtubing is only for females. Male vtubers are an abomination.

>> No.53126866

>>53119643
unicorn is literally the desire to not be cucked by a 'tee hee I'm a cute single girl' that you like that you're spending time and money on
I don't think you realize it's not some special phenomenon in vtubers

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>>53126866
Looks like unicorns are in luck. None of the girls have cucked them

>> No.53127448

Because male Vtubers are shit. It's literally only fags, clout chasers and groomers.

>> No.53127769

Because female Vtubers are shit. It's literally only whores, clout chasers, and pickmes.

>> No.53127975

>>53127448
>calls people groomers with zero proof
classic

>> No.53128102

>>53127357
>semantics argument
You can use whatever term you want. What's presented is a single woman, which is a deliberate decision just comparing single status in vtubers (essentially 100%) vs the general public (34%). People are buying into that premise and a lot of them don't want to support someone who has a boyfriend because it would make them feel like a [term for supporting another man's woman].

>> No.53128202

>>53127357
Literally look at the first definition you absolute retard

>> No.53128493

>>53127769
What the fuck are you even doing here sis? Why didn't you stay on Tumblr or whatever site femcels use?

>> No.53128649

>>53127769
The pickmes are the reason they're good

>> No.53128793

>>53128102
> don't want to support someone who has a boyfriend because it would make them feel like a [term for supporting another man's woman]
The term is cuck. Which can't be the case because they aren't dating their collab partner, nor are they even having sex.
>>53128202
"Cuck" is being used as a verb, esl-san. That said, anyone threatened by coworkers doing their job is probably a weak or servile man.

>> No.53128813

>>53103969
Male fans and female fans want different things and no matter how hard you try to push that you want male vtubers and female vtubers, the fans just don't want it.

>> No.53128906

>>53127769
>pickme
I’ve only ever heard this used by a woman, and only seen it used about women. That’s quite strange, no?

>> No.53128937

Not interfering with each other's lives and work is harmony.

>> No.53129656

>>53128793
>dating or having sex
Or just in any sort of meaningful relationship where there could be feelings developing from enjoying each others' time and company.
I'm not saying that's the case, but that's what they could easily feel or believe. It's really not complicated, if you like someone you usually don't like seeing them hit it off with another guy.

>> No.53130707

>>53128793
>That said, anyone threatened by coworkers doing their job is probably a weak or servile man.
>servile
Look up the definition for this too

>> No.53130811

>>53128793
>The term is cuck. Which can't be the case because they aren't dating their collab partner, nor are they even having sex.
>they aren't having sex with their collab partner
sure they aren't, cuckchama

>> No.53131007

>>53129656
>if you like someone you usually don't like seeing them hit it off with another guy
It's as simple as that but people would rather engage with and argue against the hyperbole of
>You are a cuck if you watch X
>She cucked her fans
No man wants to see it although they may tolerate it, especially when in the position of viewer/fan where you literally can't compete on the same level. It makes the monkey brain uncomfortable and people leave or become less invested.

I don't know why women can't understand it, do they not feel the same way about their male vtuber oshis? Or are they wired differently and like seeing them be popular with as many girls as possible instead of getting possessive.

>> No.53131703

>>53129656
>if you like someone you usually don't like seeing them hit it off with another guy
Sure, but people also don't usually throw a fit when a stranger they have a crush on works with a male coworker.
>>53130811
It's true, Vesper traveled through the internet, came out of Kronii's monitor and fucked her right in front of Gabe. I still can't believe it...

>> No.53132352

>>53131703
>kronii didn't fuck vesper discretely while hiding it from her fans in her downtime
ogeeeeeeeeeey cuckchama

>> No.53132559

>>53131703
>Sure, but people also don't usually throw a fit when a stranger they have a crush on works with a male coworker
Women and men can't be friends because men want to fuck women they like. This is a fact of life. Sorry your dad didn't tell you.

>> No.53133245

>>53131703
>stranger you have a crush on
Weird and inaccurate way to describe the vtuber/fan relationship, they are not strangers (at least from the fans perspective) and not every viewer throws a fit, in fact most don't. They just find it uncomfortable to watch and distance themselves, leave or possibly go schizo. They also might stop paying or watching, because remember unlike real life where you suck it up and deal with those situations this whole thing is a product being sold to you and you have no obligation to keep consuming it if it introduces shit like this that makes it less entertaining or less of an escape.
That is why male vtubers and female vtubers will never have "harmony"

>> No.53133793

>>53131703
You're fixating on semantics to make false equivalences. Technically it is a "workplace" but the simple factor of being in their private chat/DMs already puts them on an unbalanced footing with the person of affection, something any fan would absolutely love and many could feel jealous about. A large fanbase can be supported precisely because everyone is on the same footing as a lowly fan where nobody has an 'advantage' and thus keep the dream alive. Also workplace romances are fairly common so you're not even making a great argument. I don't genuinely think any of the ENs are in a relationship with the other talents, but I also don't support the branch going in the way of a coed group. I don't like the feeling of cheering on a guy and a girl hitting it off, and would think anyone that does that with their oshi/crush is pathetic. It's all nuanced though, because clearly some things are fine, like I never minded the Subaru family.
Heavily invested gachikoi will have a deeper level of trust/understanding and probably tolerate more things outside of dealbreakers, but many people aren't going to be like that and don't want to entertain the idea at all.

>> No.53134866

>>53132559
>men want to fuck women they like
Yes ai-anon, usually when someone is attracted to another person they want to fuck them. You are one step closer to human emotions. Unfortunately your programming still confuses friendship with sexual attraction.
>>53133245
The vtuber is a stranger to the fan. They only show parts of themselves to their fans while (trying) to hide parts of themselves that would be inconvenient for viewers. I'm aware not all fans throw fits: some like coed collabs, some are neutral to it, some are against it, and some go schizo over it like you said. It's true viewers aren't obligated to stay if they don't like something. It's also true vtubers aren't obligated to cater the viewers that get in the way of their happiness. It's not a "product being sold," it's them getting donations, aka a gift.
>>53133793
>Unicorns don't want to be cucked
>can't be cucked because they aren't in a relationship
>O-okay, but unicorns don't want someone with a boyfriend
>they aren't dating, they're coworkers
>Stop fixating on semantics!
Yes they have private DMs and real life jobs have break rooms. In both these cases the person with the crush would not be able to access either, unlike the coworker. Like I said, it's perfectly fine to be jealous, it isn't fine to turn schizo.
>workplace romances are fairly common
In workplaces were the workers are physically together. Long distance relationships are far less common, especially ones where you likely don't even know what the other person looks like.

>> No.53135805

>>53103969
>>53104057
they can, it's the fans that can't.

>> No.53136560

>>53134866
I never said it was fine to be schizo retard, unless you consider "not watching/unsubbing" being schizo. When my last oshi did a dealbreaking yab, I just unsubbed/unmembered and left without saying a word. I still think it's absolutely disgusting for someone to be deceptive and effectively lie by acting single and never dealing with the other sex to bait simps but actually doing stuff they know would piss off her fans that bought into that premise behind the scenes.
Anyway your arguments are literally pointless because you can't change the male brain. You're just making stupid arguments of technicalities that can probably be easily argued but I don't see much point in doing, because this actually has nothing to do with either of us, it's between the fan and the talent. If she acts in a way that speaks to their fans that they can trust her and that she's devoted to them, and he feels that way about her, then they'll be fine. If not, then they may leave. Beyond this, any arguments are meaningless. There are a million different things that can pop up that test the fan's faith, and it's going to be up to them to make a decision about.

>> No.53137113

>>53136560
Also some people are just fundamentally against the idea of men and women in the same branch, for whatever reason or other, and won't support anyone who supports the idea. I mean you'd assume some are like that who chose to watch Holo over Niji in the first place.

>> No.53137611

>>53136560
No one said you said that, retard. Get used to it because I promise you most female vtubers aren't as shy around men as they claim, as bisexual as they claim, or as single as they claim. My argument is indeed pointless because the counterpoint you present is based in fantasy, therefore the argument will get no where.

>> No.53137617

>>53134866
The thread is about why male vtubers and female vtubers can't live in harmony, and you are getting plenty of people explaining why that is not going to happen due to the nature of the fanbase. Your arguments about how people SHOULD conduct themselves in some perfect world where the fans don't get jealous, the vtuber is only looking out for their own happiness and catering to the fans it not necessary is irrelevant.

Also it absolutely IS a product being sold not only the fantasy but also the donations, memberships, merch and concerts.

>> No.53138663

>>53137611
It's not fantasy retard, or were you not here for the meltdowns that happened last year during the collabs? Is people upset about males in HoloPro a fantasy as well?
You're arguing a stupid ideal and I'm arguing reality. The reality is the male brain, you can screech all you want saying NOOOO WHY ARE YOU GETTING UPSET THEY'RE JUST COWORKERS but they're still upset with the idea and will never accept it. I don't think the talents are in a relationship, but I also don't want them in the same branch. If you want that, go watch Niji or something else.

>> No.53138759

>>53137617
Obviously it's because of fanbases. Most friction happens because of fanbases, like most of /vt/. I only mentioned how fans "should be" because of what a different anon brought up.
No, anon, it is not a product. Merch is a product, one that you are entitled to based on what was presented upon purchase. Superchats are not a purchase, they are a donation. You're free to watch a street performer for free, you're free to give them money, they are not obligated to do what you say because you gave them money. Because donations are gifts, not a purchase.
Memberships are technically a product being sold since you get streams and emotes out of it.

>> No.53138862

>>53137611
>I promise you most female vtubers aren't as shy around men as they claim, as bisexual as they claim, or as single as they claim
>source: It was revealed to me in a dream

>> No.53138960

>>53138663
>Claim it's impossible for a male and female to be friends
>gets called a fantasy
>BUT WHAT ABOUT THE COLLAB OUTRAGE???
Retard.

>> No.53138973

>>53138759
>No, anon, it is not a product.
Yes it is. Learn what the word "product" means, brainletchama.

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>>53138862
So true sister, it's surely a coincidence why, before joining Holo, they were okay with collabing with males, but afterwards they're suddenly too shy. It's also a coincidence that boyfriend pictures would suddenly disappear. Also every girl is coincidentally bisexual, but only attracted to their female coworkers can chat.
>>53138973
I looked it up. It doesn't look very good for you, anon.

>> No.53139394

>>53138759
You are coming at it from a fleshstreamer angle where they do whatever the fuck they want and fans can like it or lump it. It has never been true for Idols and Hololive models itself on that. You also talk out of both sides of your mouth on this very point because you say shit like
>They only show parts of themselves to their fans while (trying) to hide parts of themselves that would be inconvenient for viewers
Which illustrates how curated the character (products) they are selling to the viewer are in this niche (though you were going for the implication that they are all hiding lovers instead).

>> No.53139445

>>53138960
I never claimed that, you're quoting >>53132559
He has a point though. Because he knows how men think, he can't trust men getting close to his oshi. It's like how dads don't trust men with their daughter, because he knows how men are. This is why fans will feel anxious about the "totally just coworker things" you try to play off, even if there's actually nothing going on.

>> No.53139832

>>53103969
They can and do. The indie scene is filled with male and female entertainers putting on fantastic collabs all the time. It's only the EN/JP corpos that have a concentration of chromosomes that for some reason think a comedian is their wife because they gave her $5.

>> No.53140301

>>53139394
>it has never been true for idols
It's true for everything. People stop liking something and leave. The producer can respond or not.
>Which illustrates how curated the character (products) they are selling to the viewer
"Selling" in the loose sense, sure. "Baiting" is a more accurate term. I could pretend to have cancer but that doesn't mean I'm selling a product despite creating a story to garner money, it's baiting. Selling means you HAVE you give money in order to get the product. You get the character regardless of how much or how little money you spend.

>> No.53140809

>sisters STILL trying
Want mixed collabs? Watch NijiEN, watch Vshojo. Hololive's bread and butter is CGDCT. You tried to gaslight EN management into thinking the opposite and turns out no one watches the homocucks.
At this point it's clear you're mostly in for the culture war and can't accept that something doesn't pander to your mentally ill femcel ass.

>> No.53140866

>>53139341
>>53140301
Kind of revealing yourself with that first reply there anon. Are you just seething they won't collab with the boys and give them exposure or live in your happy little unity land where the chuubas happiness or agency hinges or whether they can collab with males or not despite almost certainly having male friends and acquaintances offstream?
>that image
When you hire artists, riggers and work with creatives to play a character do you really not see how that is a product. IP is a product. Just because the stuff they are selling you somewhat tangential to the livestreams doesn't make vtubers or idols not products. Making the product attractive enough for the fans to buy all that other stuff down the line somewhere is where they "sell" it to you. I am sure disney or whatever the fuck consider their characters "products" too despite not having a monetary barrier to entry to watching the cartoons on TV other than being exposed to ads (just like youtube).

>> No.53142518

>>53139445
Which, again, is a fantasy. Dads don't trust men being ALONE with their daughters in person. No dad has a problem with their daughter having male classmates. There's a chance she could get pregnant or raped being alone with a guy, that's not happening at school. It's also awfully difficult to get pregnant over the internet. I assume you also think most men would want to fuck some fat ugly chick because she's female?
>>53140866
>anon claims the girls are completely genuine
>bring up a sudden change in their behavior after joining Hololive
>"Ah hah! You must be mad they won't collab!"
You're only pretending, right? Please tell me you're pretending.
>When you hire artists, riggers
Yes, anon, that's a product. They are commissioned in exchange for their work. There's a transaction. There is no transaction between someone talking to themselves while playing video games and someone choosing to give them money or not. It's one-sided. The voice actor can tailor themselves to people more willing to part with their money, but at the end of the day no one has to pay for the same experience. Again, it's "selling" in the same way shilling, baiting, or advertisements "sell" something.

>> No.53143223

I like how the further down you go in this thread the paragraphs get longer and yes I didn't read any of it. Male vtubers should go jump off a bridge.

>> No.53143290

>>53103969
If you want that, go watch Nijisanji. People who support content are allowed to voice how they want the content to be.

>> No.53143525

>>53142518
You're taking things way too literally, you don't need to be fixated on literal sex. Even a liked comment makes fans very happy. Any greater "progress' over others is something to be jealous over.

>> No.53143626

>>53109212
Not true at all. It's very easy to be just friends with girls I don't find attractive

>> No.53143849

>>53143626
then they like you...

>> No.53143942

>>53143525
Well yeah I'm focusing on sex. Why else would a father not want his daughter to be alone with a man specifically and not strangers in general? Why else are men allegedly in capable of being friends with the opposite sex with there were no ulterior motives? It's what you and the other anon brought up.
>Any greater "progress' over others is something to be jealous over
Like meet and greets?

>> No.53144444

>>53143942
Sex is just the finale of the whole process, the consummation of the relationship. Everything before that is the buildup to get to it, i.e. becoming close.
If you sincerely think a meet and greet is the same as being in someone's DMs/discord you're beyond retarded.

>> No.53145057

>>53103969
Insecure fans of course. But the reality is people in showbiz tend to hook up with people in showbiz. Happens in Hollywood. Happens with youtubers and twitch streamers, etc. So yes there is a high likelihood that your oshis may one day get it on. The only thing keeping them is it is a career risk and the age gap because there appears to be a good mix of millenials and zoomers which could put some of them at least a decade apart.

>> No.53145524

>>53144444
>Any greater "progress' over others
A meet and greet sounds like greater progress than a like on Twitter to me but idk apparently a one on one conversation being closer than clicking a button is retarded according to you.

>> No.53145730

>>53145524
>conversation
>in a meet and greet
>that's not even selected by her, but random
lmao you won't even have the time to properly introduce yourself in one

>> No.53145831

>>53104831
i mean... isnt the way to separate the VA from the v tuber. Officially the v tuber doesnt have the BF. Though I get that its hard to do it sometimes. Nice that you are able to still support and move past that barrier. Its still fun and good times and it feels like there is less hassle when you finally dont care about that stuff. I've had similar experience.

>> No.53145913

>>53145730
Which is still more than a Twitter like and not something every fans is able to do.

>> No.53146034

>>53104666
i can never understand how someone that can afford hobbies like this can end up on this board. even in /wvt/ there are millionaire schizo viewers that end up there because they have undiagnosed mental illness. i can only assume there is something fundamentally wrong with your life

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>>53103969
They can, and they do whenever they actually feel like it.
The fandoms are largely incompatible though, and even when they don't clash naturally, it's an easy mark for a shitposter to spark something. There's absolutely no way to avoid this and nothing that can be done about it. The only way it can ever get better is if we eventually reach some sort of tacit agreement were we all treat it as a meme, like what happens with rivalries between foreign countries and shit.

>> No.53146357

>>53145831
I think you misread his post....
>>53145913
No fan is gonna get upset about someone else getting a twitter like or going to a meet and greet, because they KNOW it basically means no closing of the "distance" between them. Why else would the unicorn-friendly holoJPs be doing them without issue you stupid fuck? It's a whole other story when they're found chatting with some dude when the stream goes offline.

>> No.53146392

>>53105922
this isnt true. Pewdiepie has fans even though he is married. Marzia, his wife also.

Its very possible to get over the barriers posed by male v tubers interacting with your oshi. What about Noel, Flare is her girl friend and they have kissed in 3D. If JP can do it, then its surely possible to have a good v tuber experience despite things like that.

I can see the, why settle for it, reason coming up. But also, why not, it just limits the v tuber and feelings of loosing the v tuber to a male v tuber are irrational. I mean, doesnt Nijisanji do that? And its still fun. The females there dont isolate the audience. Unless its a collab, but even girls together will be like that.

>> No.53146504

>>53140809
They don't want to watch those things because they aren't as popular and they can't "change the culture". They want hololive to be exactly like them and then they will continue not watching or supporting any of it like the worthless beggars they are.

>> No.53146534

Pretty much the fanbases of the female vtubers. There are way too many snowflakes in there who think because two people collab, they're instantly fucking.

News flash, the majority of the girls are fucking on the regular, some of them even have kids. They're probably not fucking their coworkers though, but their husbands / boyfriends.

>> No.53146630

>>53146357
>Why else would the unicorn-friendly holoJPs be doing them without issue
>Implying EN and JP fans have the same standards
>you stupid fuck

>> No.53146747

>>53122217
not quite, yagoo knows that the holo audience is mostly male( from the girls), so he tried to get some in. The debut of tempus was kind of choreographed and really full of showmanship, kept short but sweet and the schedules were strict.

It kind of worked, but the initial numbers did not last because those guys were already watching some of the girls plus their own lives.

now things are more casual and it Im seeing a LOT of girls supporting them. Which is what the stars are really supposed to hook.

>> No.53147000

>>53146534
Fleshtubers have a different demographic and can't be compared. The hololive fanbase are not interested in anime males and you need to get over that. Nijisanji is right there if you want mixed collabs and want to see tons of popular guys with female sidekicks. It's either or, not both.

>> No.53147212

>>53146630
The issue is about unicorns seething about men getting close to their oshi. Unfortunately, the ENs just have much fewer talents who are unicorn-friendly, so using them as examples is ineffective in the discussion.
You're actually just straight fucking retarded or being intentionally disingenuous if you actually believe that meet and greets and twitter likes are any means of getting close to a talent in any capacity either way, as compared to chatting on a server/DMs regularly (if that's the case, which we can't know, and thus when believed or assumed to be the case would make fans anxious).

>> No.53147288

>>53146534
Okay, where is the children?

>> No.53147427

>>53146534
News flash asshole, I don't care what the Holos do behind the scenes. One good thing about this shithole is that compared to whatever third world forum you come from doxxing is strictly banned.
I care about the content. I watch HoloEN for the CGDCT and I want to keep it that way. NijiEN is a perfect example of why allowing insecure asian fuckboys and their hordes of mentally ill fujos in can completely kill the whole thing overnight.
Also I'm a paying customer, I supported them for years and I'm gonna give my feedback. I don't want to see my support wasted on faggots no one asked for.

>> No.53147536

>>53147427
That's just you though, there are people who actually dislike being lied to

>> No.53147590

>>53147427
Hey man, a good portion of the male Niji EN are non-asian.

>> No.53147885

>>53146392
>comparing a western flesh tuber with a japanese based vtuber
They are very different demographics and while there's a lot of people who watch both, the reason they like each is different.
Also, it being irrational is irrelevant, liking anyone online is irrational no matter their content, but that happens easily and not only in vtubing.

>doesn't nijisanji do that?
Again, the reason people like one are different from the reason they like the other even if they like both.

>> No.53147970

The unspoken agreement was that they would stay separate and collab rarely. Instead they collab way too much and all the time. Burns away goodwill. Doesn't help that council is so lazy

>> No.53148091

>>53147536
It's fine pal. Just saying that you don't need to be a hardcore unicorn to dislike the homoshits.

>> No.53148168

>>53147212
>verbally communicating with your oshi
>not closer than a Twitter like
Yeah that's why they're so popular, because it's as impersonal as sending a superchat That's sarcasm. I'm calling you retarded

>> No.53148340

>>53121473
Are the trannies in the room with you right now anon?

>> No.53148353

>>53148168
I'm saying they're both irrelevant in comparison to DMs, intentionally-retarded-chama

>> No.53148385

>>53103969
they can die together in harmony

>> No.53148527

>>53148340
Yeah, it's you

>> No.53148678

>>53148353
It's funny how you call me retarded, yet the only one to mention DMs is you. You also attempt to argue that verbal communication is equally as impersonal as a Twitter like. I just thought I should mention that. Anyways, your parents are siblings.

>> No.53148722

>>53103969
because we're not interested in watching your homos and they ruin the culture

>> No.53148834

Its all simply depends on the audience you build upon.

>> No.53149214

>>53148678
You're like the semantics king. You never try to argue the point at hand, but instead focus on some term like "impersonal" or "workplace" as a distraction from it. You're trying to snake your way around the main point which is - when someone sees a guy getting closer (I know you have autism and probably can't use common sense with this unfortunately) to a girl he likes, he'll get uncomfortable and jealous
Anyway it's obvious at this point that you're either severely retarded or trolling, so this is my last post. You're very clearly doing everything you can to avoid the point being made.

>> No.53149699

>>53149214
>you never try to argue the point at hand
Your baseless speculation you brought up out of no where? I wonder why. Your original point was that fans get jealous over anything beyond a Twitter like, to which I argued the existence of meet and greets. You proceed to spin fanfiction about males being in the girls DMs everyday. It's isn't my fault you keep attempting to change the topic at hand.

>> No.53149875

>>53149699 (me)
>>53149214
Additionally, we've been over the whole "jealous over a guy getting closer to a girl you like." There is no "closer" they're coworkers. Do you also get jealous of Yagoo "getting closer" to the girls? Actual mental illness.

>> No.53152757

>>53103969
Cause of fans of male vtubers and male vtubers themselves. Fans of males are some ungodly toxic creatures i've ever seen, they are so unbearable that they created unicorns by their own obnoxity unlike now, unicorns were tiny minority in pre-Luxiem era, btw

And male vtubers are just useless, they just bring nothing new on the table. Even best of best of best brotubers are still way worse then regular streamername/youtubername

>> No.53155124

>>53103969
>troons literally argue with us in their heads
uniCHADS we are so back.

>> No.53156714

>>53103969
stop watching EN

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