/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

BAO IS GETTING INTO EN3

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>>52907681
Is she hot?

[Anonymous No.]

she's joining vshojo

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>>52907681
Saying something like that with how big she is for an indie would make no sense, retard.

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>>52907789
If anything, this is the correct answer.
Zero chance she joins Hololive.

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>>52907681
Don't indies make more money because no corp is taking away a large percentage of their profit?

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>>52907681
She's pregnant

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>>52907681
she doesnt stream all that much, she wont save your EN branch.

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>>52907789
This

[Anonymous No.]

>someone that gives 0 fucks about singing, dancing, being an idol
>getting into Hololive
>a actual whore at that
I keep forgetting that /vt/ is the new /x/

[Anonymous No.]

she is one of the successful indie, so she isn't joining Nijisanji at the least.

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>>52907681
En3 is just the whore clan in new models

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>>52907947
Ina...
Sana...

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>>52907903
If by indie you xQc or something then sure

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>>52907789
She's not, leaked dm during the studio scam showed that she is planing on make her own streamer group like vichiban and others.

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>>52907947
>someone that gives 0 fucks about singing
anon...

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>>52907947
>0 fucks about singing
>bao
do you guys even read threads?

[Anonymous No.]

Well, not impossible as a nepohire

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>>52907681
My guess is she just got signed with a music label, because her friend Shiki also recently signed with one.

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>>52908094
she already has the Whore clan

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>>52908260
It's basically them but without Lily, you can't sell "whore clan" so they need a proper branding and shit.

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>>52907947
What an insult to /x/, at least that place is still fun

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>>52908335
No, the leak was the Whore Clan without Numi and Shylily

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>>52908125
>>52908154
NTA and i realize she has released a ton of covers and some orisongs but I watched one of her streams one time and it was just her constantly laughing like a mule over dumb shit with some male streamer guest

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>>52907903
Indie with 4 views technically yes, but you must do everything yourself compared with corps help.

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>>52908335
lily is not whore clan, whore clan is Numi Bao and Yuzu, but yeah a more brand friendly name, i can see it

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>>52907947
/x/ schizos at least understand they're retarded because of their drug abuse, you fuckers live in your own fantasy land where everyone is wrong and can't cope with that.

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>>52907903
For big indies yeah, but more and more they're starting to create "groups" to facilitate selling their content and give it a more professional contact with brands.

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>>52907681
Nah no way, she already invested too much in her Bao persona + people don't make tweets like this when they get into holo

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>>52907681
Has Hololive ever actually recruited a 4 view vtuber before? I know some of the HoloEN members have had YouTube channels with big subscriber counts (in a couple cases ~1 million), but as actual vtubers I think the biggest have been 3 views.

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>>52909309
notFauna being high 3 views and notGura breached to 4 views with her last one or two stream, mostly stayed in mid to high 3 views.

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>>52908687
Dunno if this appleis to Bao, but both Numi and Shylily have both stated that even with their hired help their takehome is near that of a Holo and more than a Niji.

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it's pregnancy or some kind of collab / sponsorship like being offered to co-host the mythic talent vtuber awards or something
vshojo has better chuubas to pick from, and even with all the shit we give holoEN management, they probably wouldn't hire a literal and unironic whore
plus she might not want to join hololive considering that she already gets like 2k+ viewers

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>>52907903
Do you seriously think even high tier Indies are making more money than mid tier holos you are fucking stupid. The amount of merch, concerts, deals, sponsorships etc and other money making means available to holos absolutely dwarfs what is available to even the biggest Indies. Having an entire corpo behind you with connections to music, production, anime and business with a good prior business relationship blows anything an indy can get out of the water. It's crazy how retarded some of you are regarding how much money some holo members actually are taking home if you think even ironmouse is close to it you're dumb.

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>>52907681
I don't expect much from EN3, but even they wouldn't go so low to catch one of the most horny bait indies, even if she is big the audience demographic can't be more different.

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>>52910326
I doubt they have any idea how much Holo's make.

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>>52911266
that's cope
a 3 view with an onlyfans, a patreon, a paid discord and a paid coomer telegram earns more every month than ame or baelz

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>>52907947
everything else might be true but i remember her days as Hiikarustation and she could definitely song

[Anonymous No.]

Congrats to Bao for passing the EIEN auditions!

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>>52911484
>do one sponsor for a gacha
>uh I got an all expenses paid overseas holiday for my entire family
Like I said. You people are fucking morons with no experience of the real world or real business and how things work/cost and think schizo rrats from niji shit posters is actual payment evidence. Dont reply to me again you lobotomized faggot.

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>>52907903
In theory, sure, but in practice, absolutely not. Even the most multitalented indies who can be their own manager, merchandise fulfillment, collaboration coordinator, legal team, etc. still are going to have to find someone to moderate chat and take care of other little things that simply cannot be done by one person alone who is already distracted by streaming. Realistically a decent corp is worth the cut that gets taken out of an entertainer's earnings in exchange for taking care of all of the above and more, and the not-so-decent corps that don't handle any of that eventually die.

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>>52911484
No, your entire post, now THAT is some major coping. Even all that still pales in comparison to what mid-tier holos like Ame and Baelz get with SCs, concerts, merch, sponsors, etc. even after Cover takes their cut. There's a reason most of the biggest EN indies are shagging up with Mythic

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>>52911484
t. going to get audited by the Fed

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>>52911734
are you implying that every indie under the sun doesn't get gacha sponsorships too?

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>>52907681
She's getting all her money back from that scammer?

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>>52907681
I don't think she's joining EN3, but I would be fine with it if she did. I'm glad she got some good news either way. I like it when anime girls are happy.

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>>52907903
You know that the top 10 ten Holo are already millionaires by now right?
Even the small one pulled in over 100grand in profit.

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>>52907903
outside of Shylily and Filian probably any big indie would jump at the chance of joining hololive

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Lol, holobeggers think an indie with a music career is going to sell-out after how poor they treat their one v-singer IRyS?

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>>52907903
Depends on what their goals as a vtuber are.
If they had any music production aspirations, then the industry connections from joining a corp could easily be worth it.
don't expect them to give any actual on site assistance though. cover's notoriously shit about that.

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>>52911803
>still are going to have to find someone to moderate chat and take care of other little things
groomer labor is free, though

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>>52908088
My oshi is Forsen. I want him to collab with MoonMoon!

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>>52912225
Again displaying how stupid and sheltered you are. The marketing power you bring along with a corporation increases the amount you can demand for sponsorships. This is why everyone joined mythic. Because being able to command 20 streamers to shill is better than a single streamer and it's exponential. Again. You're dumb. Stupid. Fucking moron. A retard who knows nothing about the modern world and how business works. Don't reply to me again with such dogshit takes.

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>>52911484
>earns more every month than ame or baelz
Way to pick the members of HoloEN with the poorest fans. Ame is so embarrassed by it that she used to turn off superchats as a giga-cope.

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>>52907681
dont want any

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>>52911412
there are multiple ENtuber cliques that have members who went on to become hololives and nijis. they would all be idiots if they were not conspiring together and discussing labor situations behind the companies backs.

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>>52907681
God I fucking hope not

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>>52911484
The average a women makes on onlyfans is way below 100$ a month

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>>52913808
>Poorest fans
Lmao every holo is making bank only homos don't sell rest every girl sells Kiaras limited merch sold out is seconds yesterday there is no comparison.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52914673
Learn English.

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>>52908335
Whore clan was funny name though...

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>>52914183
For niji it might be the case, not so much for holos the only people in holoen who have connections outside are Kiara(mostly other corpo vtubers), mori(ecelebs and some indies), bae(some indies), fauna (shoundo) that's about it rest are disconnected from the outside world don't even talk about holojp but i wouldn't be surprised if the ho.os talk about it behind the companies back most of them had twitch rms.

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>>52908197
This is most likely it

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>>52911266
>merch
Big indies sell merch on their own, so they own a bigger share of the profits
>concerts
A lot of indies simply don't give a fuck about concerts
> deals
Again, indies with a decent agency have that without and they a bigger share of the deal
>sponsorships
Same thing. If you are already big as a indie, unless you personally want to work with the brand, there's almost no reason to join a corpo.

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>>52907903
Give me a list of indies who've recently bought a new house in a nice area. This is the bare minimum barometer since a low tier Holo like Roboco was able to do this last year when she bought a place in Tokyo.

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>>52914537
that's the average woman who doesn't already have hundreds of simps from streaming

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.twitch.tv/bao

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>>52915495
You're making the assumption that indies that got big are entrepreneurial or industry savvy. Some of them just got lucky, and have people who are actually competent help them behind the scenes.
But yeah, it doesn't make sense to join a music focused corpo if you're already big and have no interest in music production.
Half of that money goes into getting an in with producers like teddyloid and deco*27.

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>>52907681
Bao would hate hololive kek. They wouldn't let her just act like a slut 24/7 and require her to put effort into her streams

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>>52915495
Give me an indie whose spent as much money as Mori has over the course or her career in Hololive. Mori moved 3 times in Japan to progressively better areas, dumped 30k on her girl trip with Kiara, bought property in the US, and the commissioning of animations for her music videos.

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>>52915869
>They wouldn't let her just act like a slut 24/7
They absolutely would, but she wouldn't have to anymore because she would get to coast on the Hololive brand name.

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>>52915869
explain matsuri then

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>>52916195
Mori is close to the top earner in HoloEN though.

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>>52916342
JPs get preferential treatment, and Matsuri's considered an OG.

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>>52907681
No more whores please

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>>52907681
If true then holo's scouting has really gone to shit

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>>52911484
>>52915495
>big indies
Big indies like Bao, Saruei, and Vienna? That's why they can afford Tonari Animation's fees right? KEK instead they hired the dismissed dude just to try and go around all the fees. Only Ironmouse can even be compared to HoloENs. And with all her subathons and daily stream, she only managed to commission Tonari ONCE. Gura already has two, probably even three in the making for her latest single.

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>>52907903
Not more than hololive and the doors they open up by being Japanese celebrities is incredible

>>52907854
I promise you she’s not making as much as you think


MOST IMPORTANTLY THERE IS NO EN3

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>>52917811
Can you type that without crying?

[Anonymous No.]

i hope you get anal cancer OP

[Anonymous No.]

So what was it actually?

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>>52908569
She doesn't do much karaoke because all her singing efforts go into recording instead

If she isn't otherwise occupied, she's like constantly working on music in her offline time.

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>>52918089
Anal cancer is actually not so bad, colorectal cancer is more dangerous and also ass-adjacent.

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>>52915689
Robocos husband (me) is super rich

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>>52915869
>They wouldn't let her just act like a slut 24/7
explain marine
> and require her to put effort into her streams
explain all of holoEN

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>>52913769
nta but i'm kekking so hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>52907681
>muh EN3

Dude just give up.

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>>52907947
How dare you compare a good place to talk about paranormal shit like /x/ to this shithole full of third worlders seething over people pretending to be anime characters.

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>>52913237
>IRyS has released 21 songs in ~1.5 years
>Akuma Nihmune released three full albums and four singles in 2022 alone (28 songs total)
More like Project Hope They Let Me Sing am I right

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>>52911484
they hated him because he spoke the truth

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>>52918847
I am not an "EN3 truther" or anything but what's the alternative? Cover just dies right before they want to go public? They have to do something at some point.

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>>52907903
You can judge that for yourself, but some numbers:

a low tier four view indie gets around 200/300K a year take home, thats including twitch and sponsor cuts. (Assuming 4000 sub points a month, not SUBS, sub points). This number only goes up from there.

Sponsors go a long way, the average game sponsor is around 3K min for lower tier four views and mid/high four views can go for 10K on a single sponsored stream. Many indies sign multiple long term deals for an extra 8-10K per month to shill some brand or game over a long period. Any agency they might have would take at most 20% of all sponsorships, 20% of all merch. It adds up.

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>>52919659
Oh and this take home number is with all cuts and such taken out, which is why I clarified take home.

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>>52919659
i wonder how much filian made with the ACR and gamestop sponsoring

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please no, i tried checking her out before and she seems like an annoying karen

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>>52919863
Oh definitely an absurd amount. It really depends on how good their sponsors team is in terms of negotiating deals. Thats why many are with talent management agencies. They keep their independence and still have an expert to negotiate rates for them, AND they keep 80% of it.

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>>52917811
Even Vox can't afford them

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>>52907681
Most likely she's getting her money back.

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>>52907903
Corps will make you money off stream.
If you've got two similarly ccv'd vtubers. The one with a corp is probably making 2x-3x as much money.

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>>52920481
An Indie with a talent agency at 2K CCV vs a corpo at 2K CCV, the indie is making more. Indie takes home full money from YT/Twitch subs or memberships, and 80% of all sponsorships their agency brings them. The corpo chuuba takes home at most 30/40% of their revenue.

[Anonymous No.]

Gura is worth more than Mr Beast.

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>>52921504
wouldn’t surprise me to see that take in /#/

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>>52914673
>only homos don't sell
and that's how we know that you're the real retard here

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>>52916451
>>52916195
and she kinda double-dips with her DDK shit

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>>52907681
this girl has worked her ass off enough to actually deserve being a holo

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>>52907903
not everything is about money anon, when you are filthy indie all you can do is play video games, no concerts or cool stuff at all

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>>52922614
>worked her ass
literally

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>they're holobegging for Bao now

[Anonymous No.]

>>52923041
>Projecting

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>>52923041
yeah begging for her to stay away from holo, fuck that slut

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>>52910099
Fauna is one thing, but Gura was back at the beginning when this shit was still fledgling and nobody knew shit. Now? No 4view is gonna give up their brand for Cover to take most of their money and seal away their content behind mandated bullshit.

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Happy for her.

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>>52915836
I'm assuming that they have a talent agency and most of them (including bao) already have one. Merch, sponsors, deals all of this can be provided by the agency. Now concerts is the interesting question, how many indies gives a shit? And if they do, can the agency help? If the answer is yes and no, tham there's a reason to join a corp, but if the answer is yes and yes (apparently Mythic agency is helping a indie with some "big" event) them there's literally no reason to join a corp IF you don't care about the brand name.

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>>52914741
Learn money

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>>52907789
doubt. as far as i know she is not friends with any of them

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>>52914970
HoloID are pretty well connected.

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>>52907681
Don't watch BAO, but some want to be reborn, to become more seiso; allowing experienced managers to do the mundane things, having more free time for music, etc. While indies don't give a cut to a corpo, Holo gives them opportunities and connections to make much more, than is possible as an indie.

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>>52915495
>Indies with decent agency
LOL, so you're talking aout Indies or corpo here? I think you're confused man

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>>52915689
LOL Yesterday Mori talking aout uying a permanent house in the US. Saying that he's already saving money for that.

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>>52918060
Like when Bao was literally crying after getting scammed?

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>>52907681
bao finally made it

good for her!

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>>52918911
/x/ is not full of people with "I'm the main character" syndrome. Posting shit like how they're the chosen one that kind of bullshit or something like that.

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>>52925014
Having a talent manager is completely different from joining a corp...are you retarded? Yes, if a indie have a talent manager (usually provided by a talent agency) they still are indies.

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>>52919091
>28 compared to 21
that's just 6 songs difference what the fuck are you drinking anon?

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>>52907681
If this is true then hololive is truly dead, fucking finally

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>>52920734
Your argument is pretty much
>Indie WITH talent agency
So, a corpo that's not a corpo? Those talent agency don't do it for free, anon.

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>>52925525
Talent manager and agency still getting the cut of the money anon. So of course they're "Corpo but not corpo"

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>>52925317
>type that without crying
>like when someone was crying?
No you retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>52925999
No you moron. You don't know what happened to Bao because you're a catalognigger

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>>52907681
I will day-1 anti this retard ho

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>>52907681
so the EN pool is this dry eh

[Anonymous No.]

>>52920734
Talent agencies are gobbling up pretty much all 3 and 4view indies at this point. To indies they're much more attractive than restrictive money-grubbing corpos.

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>>52925568
IRyS has an entire company behind her with staff dedicated to music production

Numi is literally by herself, she doesn't even have a manager, and put out more music in less time.
If I extend it to roughly the same amount of time as IRyS, then that's another album and an EP going forwards into 2023 (12 songs).
Two EPs and 3 singles totaling 15 songs in 2021 (she debuted November 2021)

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>>52927116
Dang, I didn't realize HannahHyrule was signed. I guess even small 3 views must make some money.

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>>52908569
oh no not a m*le! NOOOOOOO

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>>52925682
yes they get a cut from sponsorships, and the indie would not have gotten the sponsorships without them. So its literally a win win that only makes money for both sides.

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>>52927349
Japanese bureaucracy.

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>>52927349
It's Irys decision on how many music she wants to churn out. Numi did that because she can and she want to. Irys is a music Vtuber but she also doing gaming streaming and stuff on her own accord.

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>>52928160
yeah I mean if she wanted she could always just say fuck it to all the bureaucracy and swing her balls around, hire her own producers and ram that shit through

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>>52927116
Yeah, talent agency is just pretty much corpo-lite

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>>52927787
Just like.... corpo?

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>>52928160
It's just a little weird that HoloEN's premier VSinger is rapidly approaching her two-year anniversary and doesn't even have a full album to her name

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>>52928325
>Not knowing that Okayu and Watame churning out songs and covers like mad
Like I said, it's never about beaurocracy. It's about the singer willingness to churn out content.

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>>52928534
Ask Irys then. I mean look at Bae, releasing a new EP today because she WANTS to.
No one stopping Irys or Azki. But they both prefer playing games rather than planning an album

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>>52923879
She's cool with Kson. Not super close, but they're cool.

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>>52929884
they collabed once a year ago

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>>52912846
top 10 holo as in ccv or superchat earnings or both? im retarded i don’t get numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>52928160
>Music Vtuber
>Produces less music and plays less games than Mori, a normie streamer
Hope: Descending

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>en3
lol more like vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>52907681
>Chickwhore
Nah

[Anonymous No.]

The amount of revenue, merch, collaborations, and sponsorships Bao would lose from joining a corpo are staggering

[Anonymous No.]

>>52929884
>>52929981
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEmxq9mVIto
I miss her...she's still the same Coco

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>>52923879
>as far as i know
and therein lies the problem

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>>52927349
Wait, the dumb womb-tat whore sings? Why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>52933392
The fuck do you mean why

[Anonymous No.]

>>52933505
Seems like a waste of time and effort when nobody will ever know or care. Everyone knows she's a huge whore, and that's about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52907681
Stop making retarded posts, shitpost-kun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52925160
I kept thinking about Marine being willing to pay the rent for her sister and an allowance, just because.

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>>52908197
Nice joke.

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>>52933392
Stay inside the bubble, looks like you're not ready for the outside world yet.

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>>52907903
you have to be like shylily tier indie to be making more than you would at cover and even then you need to do everything yourself and hire people and its exhausting. See the reason why Gura, Kson, Pikamee and Mumei could all be doing fine as indies if they want, but they stuck to holo/vshojo because they feel like it isn't worth the added bullshit of being indie

[Anonymous No.]

>>52910326
>>52911412
>>52914183
I wonder who they are basing the holonumbers on, because Mori and Gura make way more than the other EN girls (mori because the music contract)

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>>52907903
>Be indie
>Get scammed because you're a retard.

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>>52933866
Her music is a huge part of her content and something her audience loves
She was a featured guest at OffKai and had a concert there (which didn't go as planned but that's beside the point)

Try watching streams sometimes instead of mouthing off about shit you only read on this board

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>>52907681
She would be an amazing addition to EN3, love her energy

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>>52930591
holos make a decent bit off shill streams and merch sales so superchats isn't a good thing to go off of alone. Plus mori has a contract with universal
If you go by the bae leak, they were paying the girls $350 each to shill amongus and that was something most of the girls blew off and they had to get ID to join and the streams were only 2 hours long

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>>52907903
Depends
Which indies vtubers and which corpos vtubers you are talking about and what sort of contents they provide

[Anonymous No.]

>>52925160
Mori is a special case for holos since she has a multi million dollar music contract. she might be making more than Gura

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>>52934691
Do you think the ID girls get paid the same rate? I know they make less then the EN and JP girls by quite a bit, but I imagine the money goes a lot father. I wonder if they are fairly well off as a result.

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>>52934767
Mori does decently in a lot of metrics. Her CCV is definitely one of the lowest, but everything else is quite high, especially video views. I wouldn't be shocked to find out she is making more than Gura. Pretty hard to tell though because the UMG contract and Gura's merch numbers are completely opaque and pretty much all speculation.

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>>52934297
That's why shylily joined Mythic talent that does all that stuff for her while she retains all the benefits of being an indie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnAf0aU2l58

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>>52934791
In the leaked discord they were offering all the girls 50k JPY regardless of what country, though technically they were only getting paid for one stream, not sure if ID did their own stream so some of them might have been doing the amoungus shill stream "for free" as a favor to kiara.
If you are making $148,620 in USD in indonesia you are in the top 1% of indogs. I am pretty sure that kobo lives with her parents and completely fucking mogs them in terms of take home pay, maybe even to the point where she has made more than her dad made in his life. Which makes the whole studio argument she had with her dad way funnier.
If you haven't seen the clip, her dad is bitching about her spending money on a contractor and as politely as possible telling him he is a fucking retard and is going to build the studio wrong since he is a retarded indog and that the cost of the contractor will be literally nothing compared to what she is making.

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>>52934691
350 for a 2 hour sponsorship is slave wage at that size. indies would make 3-5k min and a holo size indie would be paid 10-15K for a 2 hour stream.

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>>52935034
I'll admit that Kaela is the only ID member that I watch regularly, but that story sounds hilarious. It's very funny to think that most of them, sans Reine I suppose, are making far more than their parents or even top paying jobs in that country.

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>>52935071
>$110 per hour is slave wages
uh huh. You can go read the discord yourself. I was wrong, it was the 90 min stream, not the 2 hour one. They did 2 cosmic cube streams I guess? This one had Kiara, Zeta, Anya, Moona, Kronii, Mumers, Bae, fat ollie and fauna.
I though it was the one with Moona, fat mori, Gura, fat ollie, anya, ame, moomers, reine, kobo, zeta and kiara, but the dates make more sense for the 90 min one than the 2 hour one

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>>52935100
>>52935034
here is the vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IVeBNpRZHk

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>>52914970
i like how we pretend that Ina's discord vtuber clique that had shartemis in it wasn't a thing.

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>>52927116
Does Sinder have anything going for her besides coomerbaiting and bad singing?

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>>52935416
Its slave wage for their market value yes, all of their low tier indie counterparts are receiving quite literally 10X that rate for a single stream. Not to mention anyone much larger. 2H or 90 minutes doesn't make up for the difference.

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>>52934458
No. I'm not wasting my time watching twitch whores, thank you.
I heard about that OffKai shitshow though, top kek. Glad nothing of value was lost.

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>>52935785
if its slave wages why did so many of the girls do it?

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>>52907789
Yep, wonder when they are going to take anny in

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>>52914970
moom literally used to collab with Bao

[Anonymous No.]

>>52936130
re read your question and you'll find the answer

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>>52935932
>I hate people I know nothing about and have never actually seen for myself

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>>52914970
Mumei and Gura were fucking huge predebut.

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>>52907681
just another way she can distance herself from the multiple abuse allegations lol

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>>52936636
Moderately successful is more accurate. Popular within her niche, and had a couple viral hits. These were not juggernauts in their field or anything close. The shitty bald twitch streamer that Ame is a fan of is bigger than they were and are.

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>>52907681
Please no! Dont ruin hololive!

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>>52930591
Merch anon. Superchat is surprisingly a small amount of income for them. They get 40% share from merch while only 30% from superchat (after reduced from 30% Youtube share)

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>>52930917
I think she prefer to coast along. She already get good money from merch and akasupa.

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>>52907681
I told her I will let her suck my dick tomorrow, didn't expect her to be this excited

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>>52931873
Only if she joins Nijisanji lol

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>>52938997
liiiiiick

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>>52934114
Sometimes I wonder how it will affect her BIG sister feeling. Getting paid by her own younger sister, turned into a housemaid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52936578
Unfortunately, sometimes the youtube algorithm likes to serve up content featuring twitch thots, because it thinks those are the same as vtubers. I know she is a gigantic whore, and nobody is trying to say otherwise. Nothing of value was lost.

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>>52907681
She's getting the money back that the animator guy scammed?

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>>52907903
Corpos take a percentage out of the stuff they're paying for the streamers to begin with, and depending on the merch the streamer don't have to lift a finger to get it made
Indies also don't have the same reach and the amount of merch they can make available will depend on how much money they want to burn on it to begin with, if they don't plan it correctly instead of having a corpo taking a cut they'll actually lose money

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>>52934767
lol Roboco and Marine are rich enough to buy their own house (rare in Japan due to exxpensive real estate around Tokyo) and Marine even "pay" her sister to be her "housemaid" every month.
Suisei is well known to be very stylish and wearing high class brand clothing and accessories.
Luna can afford her own Electone and Harley Davidson (Import tax is a bitch)
Is it Watame who bought a house for her mother or grandmoter?

So no, Mori is not a special case.

[Anonymous No.]

https://litter.catbox.moe/g853kx.png
https://litter.catbox.moe/5ajimo.png
https://litter.catbox.moe/mv6b8v.jpg
https://litter.catbox.moe/a6pxth.jpg

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>>52934791
Dude, Yen and $$$ exchange are stronger than Rupiah. So of course they're happy even when they're not top dogs.
For example, $70,000 equals 1 Billion Rupiah. To get a luxurious big house in a big city other than Jakarta you need at least 1,5 bil to 3,5 bil (Jakarta is a different real estate beast), I bet the girls can afford a house after 2 or 3 years.
So no wonder even NijiID refuse to graduate (most of the recent graduations are/were of course stealth firing) because their income is enough to make them live a decent life.

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>>52934843
I have this feeling that her Dino Gura merch sales number is breaking Hololive marketing record. Even non chumbuds want one. Even non Hololive people want one. I dry clean my Dino Gura plushie after I received it and suddenly it require 1 and half week to clean. I suspect someone (The owner?) is playing with it.

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>>52939789
>stealth firing
You couldn't be more wrong, they have been hinting this exodus for over an year

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>>52934944
Mythic still get a cut from her sales and advertisements tho. Like I said, Corpo-lite.
Also like Corpo, when she does something yab big enough, they can sever relation with her.
Freedom my ass.

[Anonymous No.]

It’s weird how she sometimes moans for no apparent reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>52939069
>>52930591
ina for example tells her members not to super chat and just to buy much. Ina also hates reading supers
>>52939863
she outright said her dino gura plushie sold some ridiculous number that it absolutely crushed the record for anything else cover ever sold and then like immediately after announced she was getting a daki after cover kept telling her no daki because loli

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>>52935034
No anon, that contractor part argument happened pretty early in her career.
It's never a6out the money. Her dad is simply a "DIY guy" that tend to YOLO his work.
So of course she was pissed. It seems that in her family she was forced to grow up faster 6ecause of her autistic 6rother and her family in the poorer side years ago.
This is why she love 6eing the "Little sister" or the "Little 6rat" character. She wants to 6e treated and loved like a little sister with Holo mem8ers.

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>>52935493
I'm surprised that not many EOP Ko6ofags watched this video. They're too 6usy going "UUUUUOOOOH CUTE AND FUNNY!" and never see this mature side of her.
Imagine married to Ko6o and getting scolded 6y Ko6o 6ecause you spent money recklessly.

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>>52936636
Gura PL only get her so-so amount of money 6ecause most of them are not ad friendly or using copyrighted music.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52908076
anon, ina literally just sung in a concert, and she literally hates anyone bringin up sex in her streams, some JP members even compare her to sora in terms of seisoness

make an effort

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>>52907681
please no

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>>52940061
>her dino gura plushie sold some ridiculous number that it absolutely crushed the record for anything else cover ever sold
It also led to "Plushie Revolution"
Suddenly Holo members have plushie as part of their merch.
And to be honest, it worked. I actually spend money for 2 Dino Gura, a full set of Holo Myths, and now I was thinking about getting that KFP employee plushie.
Also I regret missing getting Risusaurus and Ina Takodachi Plushie.

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>>52907903
sponsors along make indies tons of money. Shit's been broken down by streamers a million times. You get a decent sponsor and you're good to go.

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>>52907681
If any purple site whore joins its already over

[Anonymous No.]

>>52917811
Mouse has to deal with the american medical system and likes to buy a billion models rather than pay for animations. Her model contest had some 38 models win iirc.

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>>52911952
Holo sponsors?? Lol

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>>52939863
I wouldn't be surprised at all by that. I really wish we had hard merch numbers for my shitty autistic curiosity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52940552
Ame...

[Anonymous No.]

You guys do realize that the Holos contract literally allows you to double dip, right? The fact that most don't or still focus on their holo stuffs already tells you which is better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52940552
Anon, a good portion of the existing EN roster are former twitch streamers.

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>>52907681
I guess hololive was missing a basic bitch voice, i.e. identical to veibae, shylily, anny

[Anonymous No.]

you guys love talking about the amount of money people way richer than you make, very odd behavior

[Anonymous No.]

>>52941893
You have found the problem

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>>52942657
Bullshit, because the star of Hololive and it's main earner is a former twitch streamer. She's perfect and you are just jealous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52914183
Smart people don't go around and show off their earnings to some casual acquaintances
Jealousy can be quite ugly

[Anonymous No.]

>>52939253
>clipwatcher thinks he knows anything

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>>52942113
People love counting numbers

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>>52942657
Most livestreamers, in general, are on Twitch.
YouTube didn't enter the game until way, way later and has only become any kind of competitor in the last couple of years.
Even still, YT's share of the streaming market is dwarfed by Twitch.

If you don't want Twitch streamers joining Holo then you're not liable to get many new members.

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>>52907789
finally

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>>52907903
If you are a brainlet who thinks superchat is where they make all their money. The big money comes from merch sales unless you are in Nijisanji.

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>>52947905
good thing almost every indie has her own merch store
https://bao.fish

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>>52907903
Once you reach a certain level of fame & views, yeah but easier said then done. Once you're big, there's very little reasons to ever want to go corpo outside a few exceptions (like if you're wan to further your music career, or just that desperate for extra cash even if it mean loosing whatever bit of freedom you got as a indie.)

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>>52948217
Kson tried doing the solo concert/merch/sponsorship thing by herself for like a year and fucking gave up. I can't imagine maintaining a store by yourself is particularly easy or worth it.

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>>52948217
My bet is that she has enough money to pay employees to run her store or she partnered with an online store service.

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>>52907681
Isn’t she a twitch boob streamer?

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>>52907681
>doing flips
flipchads we are so in!

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>>52940299
This. As someone who actually used to watch her most of her streams were mid to high 3view with exceptions being stuff like music streams

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>>52947905
Man I see this rrat pushed all the time but there's evidence to back that HoloEn merch sales aren't really much better when it comes to generic merch with at least two different en members stating that it's less than a superchat. I dislike Nijisanji as much as the next person but if you're a 4view indie you're definitely getting a better cut than any Japanese corp is gonna give you.

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>>52911266
>>52911952
>>52912846
>>52914673
>>52915689
>>52916195
>>52917811
>getting this defensive about how much money your favorite streamers make

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>>52951489
Isn't this all started after Zaion leaking the fact that Livers only get 2% share?
I think you're the one being defensive because your beloved corpo turn out to be a black company.

[Anonymous No.]

I love sluts. I love Bao, Numi, and Yuzu. Sluts are great. They’re open with what they like and want. GFEtubers are the true cancer because they’re manipulating you.

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>>52952039
I'm not here to defend Nijisanji. Also, Sieg Zaion.

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>>52952039
Anon....he didn't even mention niji, the topic that started the debate was indies vs hololive. And the person who said indies probably make more isn't wrong, at least not for 4views. In hololive or nijisanji you have a 60% cut on all superchats whereas twitch bits tax the person who sends them meaning the streamer gets 100% of that revenue.
Twitch prime is free for prime subscribers and you get 50% which is still better than cuts after corp.
Merchandise is self produced and goes all to you, at least the cut you get after whatever company you go through takes their cut but the more popular of a seller you are on some sites the More likely you are to get a better deal.

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>>52952594
So you like being treated like shit? Remember when Bao admitted and laughed about "paywalling" content because horny retards will spit put cash for it? She openly said it on twitter in a response to some fan.
Bao is good for findom experience, if you are that pathetic.

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>>52952762
He is, he watches an aquatic vtuber, of course he likes findom

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>>52952762
She’s completely open about paywalling horny content. I have no real issue with that. It’s the streamers choice how they want to monetize their shit. The fact that horny content can’t be used for ads and gets fucked by the algorithm means it makes sense to paywall it.

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>>52953270
That's a good way of looking at it

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>>52913237
Holobeggars hanging on this thin line, they still can't move on and use gura as arguments kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>52952594
Numi is awesome but she has the same issue as the holos
she doesn't stream enough

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>>52919091
>>52913237
>>52957322
I don't think IRyS is exactly going super hard on turning out music when she can just make a ton of money streaming video games instead. Mori also got a record deal out of hololive.

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>>52907681
JOINING NIJI

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>>52935071
It was internal bonus anon, not the shit they got from amogus

[Anonymous No.]

>>52952762
Why are you mad that she's making a good business decision and exploiting desperate coomers?

Are you, by any chance, one such desperate coomer?

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>>52939253
all the more reason your opinion is worth shit. A typical hive mind mentality.

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>>52946535
Experienced youtube content creators will always be superior to twitch """streamers"""
Twitch culture has devolved into the lowest possible quality shit
"Play fotm game, watch yt videos on stream or show your ass" thats all twitch has to offer

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>>52969684
t. has not spent any appreciable time watching Twitch streamers

You're so right anon, an entire platform of hundreds of thousands of people are ALL the same. There's simply no denying it, Twitch literally forces all of its users to do the exact same thing.

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>>52969772
>this but unironically
twitch might have a select few decent variety streamers but they certainly arent in the vtuber space and definitely not female

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>>52969684
>only up
>minecraft
>getting over it
>covering the same song everyone else is doing
so creative!

[Anonymous No.]

>>52969868
Yeah, I've never seen anyone on twitch play only up

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>>52970364
the holos are nothing more than glorified twitch streamers

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>>52969860
Why do you just say things without knowing anything
How many Twitch vtubers can you even name?
I have 10 in my following list live right now (11 counting males) and all of them are doing something different.

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>>52970554
>How many Twitch vtubers can you even name?
I dont have to eat a 10 course meal of shit to know its shit

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>>52971057
>I don't need to know anything or have any first-hand experience to know I dislike something
>I'll just let /vt/ make all my decisions for me
Holy brainrot

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>>52907789
>debuff

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>>52939399
God damn Luna is based

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>>52971057
This is unironically what brain rot looks like

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>>52972985
>no it doesnt matter that every single twitch streamer and vtuber you ever see or hear about is a spastic zoomer react andy with .5 working braincells please watch more
Sad beggar

[Anonymous No.]

>>52970364
>Yeah, I've never seen anyone on twitch play only up
henya beat it in a single day then never touched it again.

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>>52973465
I love Pikamee. But she now take the easy path and just reacting to videos worried me.
Ironic since her friend and mentor, Kson actually have more content variety, like going fishing with Giri on a river in Japan or building Gunpla.

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>>52975203
>But she now take the easy path and just reacting to videos worried me.
retard you don't even watch her.

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>>52975203
She plays games the majority of the time.

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>>52907681
>increible news
>big announcment
>exciting things coming
it's merch. it's always merch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52975533
Because she's on twitch
>>52975533
The clipper are far more retarded, only clipping her reactions to DDOI

[Anonymous No.]

>>52969772
His opinion have merit though
Sure, there's a lot of obscure streamers.
But they don't get recommended at all, or they have problem getting income because they get the 50-50 treatment while big streamers get 70-30.
Twitch golden child treatment don't encourage growth. It treat small streamers like forgotten middle child.

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>>52969684
Youtube video creators >> Twitch streamers >>>> Youtube """""streamers"""""

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>>52981166
Twitch's recommendation system works off of shared viewership
I only get recommended the big streamers when they happen to have recently overlapped/collabed with someone I actually do watch (e.g. I was watching IRL streams of AX, which Mizkif was also doing, his viewers overlapped into the stream I was watching, now he's in my recs)

Discovery might not be the best but it's a hell of a lot better than trying to find a new streamer on YouTube. If you don't have a company backing you, good fucking luck. I just went to my homepage and hit the "Live" tag, half of it is Hololive, and the other half is random bullshit being rec'd for reasons I couldn't explain.
The dedicated Live page is somehow even worse.

Also the 70/30 was never common. It was something only a select few had access to. I would say at least 99.95% of Twitch has always been 50/50 and plenty of people grow and turn streaming into a fulltime job on that.

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>>52985702
>I only get recommended the big streamers when they happen to have recently overlapped/collabed with someone I actually do watch
So in summary you need to do collab to get recommended to someone else?
Kinda, ass right? It means people will beg for collab just so they can be seen to other audience.
>Also the 70/30 was never common. It was something only a select few had access to
This is still not good. It means a lot more people are treated unfairly by Twitch.
"It's fine if we all suffer in this together" is never a good thing to say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52976011
>clipnigger thinking hus opinions count for shit

[Anonymous No.]

LEECH CORP AT IT AGAIN

[Anonymous No.]

>>52991070
>So in summary you need to do collab to get recommended to someone else?
No, as I said it's shared viewership. For example, a vtuber I watch who has like 400+ CCV is friends with a smaller vtuber that's currently got 50 viewers, but she's being recommended to me because of the overlap in their audiences.
Aside from recommended, there's also "this streamer's viewers also watch" that's specifically for that channel's overlap (recs are based on everything you watch). I'm watching Mouse right now, one of the biggest vtubers on the platform and my Mouse-specific recs are three tiny vtubers with 18, 95 and 185 viewers.
So yeah I'd say discoverability is a sight bit better than on YouTube.

Collabs are valuable for growth regardless of which platform you're on, by the way.

>This is still not good.
It's getting better. Later this year they're introducing a new partner tier that gets a 70/30 split.
Anyway the money they take home isn't entirely relevant to growth on the platform.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52907789
Bao is more interested in music production and Hololive is better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52907911
This, you retards.

[Anonymous No.]

>Bao
>Beryl
>Nina
EN4 already mogging the other waves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52942729
Pekora streamed on niconico though

[Anonymous No.]

>>52992329
>Anyway the money they take home isn't entirely relevant to growth on the platform.
Pardon moi, but income helped with streaming tools and of course motivation.
Sure streaming to make some people happy is good, but a nice sum of money every month helped.

>Collabs are valuable
It is, but don't make into a main thing.
Not all streamers need collab

[Anonymous No.]

en3 will be bao saruei filian

[Anonymous No.]

>>52997261
>A horndog, a typical French and Twitch ass kisser
NGMI

[Anonymous No.]

>>52907681
you just want money

[Anonymous No.]

>>52911976
Based and IRySpilled

[Anonymous No.]

>>52997261
they wouldn't be able to afford filian
and i don't think she wants to be chained to some shitty 2D model

[Anonymous No.]

>>52939253
In summary you are a viewer that has shit opinions, nothing lost you would say, but you are taking up my internet space so neck yourself FR.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52907903
>all these replies going corpo=good you can't do things on your own stupid little indie be assimilated by my black company
If you need proof /vt/ is saturated with corpo interns permanently online monitoring the board look at this post, disgusting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52925682
Yeh but most talent agencies take like 10% for stuff they organise, up to 20% max.

Also all the Sub/Dono/Bit etc. revenue still goes 100% to the talent. Corpos take a cut of it all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52939923
Mythic only take a cut of things that they organise though. All her other revenue she still gets 100%.

The severing ties shit literally doesn't matter, she would just go back to operating how she did before or find another agency. Corpo's don't have that luxury.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52975203
wat? she plays games for the vast majority of the time. It's basically a requirement to do some react content as a streamer nowadays too. Those youtube react clips get views.

[Anonymous No.]

are there ANY corp Vtubers that used to be big name (ACTUALLY big names not a 100view) indie VTubers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>52907903
Sometimes 70% of something is more than 100% of something else

[Anonymous No.]

>>52997977
>Implying Filian is worth the money
NGMI

[Anonymous No.]

>>53003684
But they still can cut you off if you doing something they consider unsavory.
So It's not 100% talent freedom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53004154
You said before that joining an agency is to help them find sponsors and arranging difficult stuff like concert or expo. Losing an agency made their life far more difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53004734
Gura? She used to be a prominent figure in early era of internet including memes and musics.