Have stunted the potential of vtubing in the west, maybe permanently

[Anonymous No.]

Because of this boring fuck of a company being the market leader, the popular perception of vtubing in the EN world is absurdly narrow when it really shouldn't be like that. Think about it, this should be an extension of anime in the medium of content creation with a bunch of different genres and countless types of unique content. But because of Hololive, people think CGDCT is the only viable genre. Sure, there's attempts at other genres within that like comedy, romance here and there, and straight up softcore porn on the twitch side, but it all largely comes down to getting invested in the lives of complete strangers in a way that forgoes entertainment, usually romantically. This gets reinforced even more by clips being primarily horny or romantic. It's also why there's this perception that the dominant gender of the audience always needs to be opposite the chuuba (or gay), with sometimes a creator's gender demographic ratio literally flipping after they become one despite there being no change in content. Well I'm sick of it. I don't give a shit about CGDCT and never have. K-on is boring as fuck, Imas or any other idol property that isn't oshi no ko is boring as fuck, give me shounen shit any day of the week, something that there is currently ZERO representatives of on the English side of vtubing in both personality and character design (outside of maybe Kenji, but he's bad for other reasons). What attracted me to this hobby was anime people acting like real-ass people while maintaining a level of absurdism, kind of like what Harvey Birdman is to Hanna Barbera characters. I never wanted to fuck or fall in love with any of them. And if I couldn't get people sticking to kayfabe, I'd at least want an extension of the stuff I already watch like Oneyplays, Jon-era Game Grumps, Vinesauce, or Jerma, but without the open or passive disdain of people that enjoy Japanese media. I've kind of gotten that with Bettel, but the fanbase is exactly what I described before; full of fans that are actually in love with/want to rape him. I still watch him, but it's tiring to always have to consider these caveats that doesn't exist outside of vtubing (at least not to the same extent). None of this shit would have happened and we'd actually have variety if Nijisanji wasn't a trainwreck and got popular in the west first before "female chuuba appeal to man, male chuuba appeal to woman" became the law of the land.

[Anonymous No.]

garlic bread

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
not reading all that

[Anonymous No.]

>tl,dr
>REEEEEEEE HOLOLIVE BAD, I WANT TO BE A NIJINIGGER
nice seething

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
You're not wrong for this but vshoujo certainly didn't help things either. As far as normies are concerned vtubing = idols and sluts. Most don't even consider the possibility of male vtubers being real thanks to Hololive getting it's foot in the door first and blowing up constantly

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>>52378625
I've seen this conversation happen before so I don't know if I'm just biting on artisanal handcrafted bait, but you really aren't gonna find someone like that in the EN sphere unless they're literal 2 views
Just take the JP pill mang

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
You're 100% right but fags are gonna seethe at you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378827 (me)
>What attracted me to this hobby was anime people acting like real-ass people while maintaining a level of absurdism, kind of like what Harvey Birdman is to Hanna Barbera characters. I never wanted to fuck or fall in love with any of them. And if I couldn't get people sticking to kayfabe, I'd at least want an extension of the stuff I already watch like Oneyplays, Jon-era Game Grumps, Vinesauce, or Jerma, but without the open or passive disdain of people that enjoy Japanese media.
forgot to quote the relevant shit because you typed a fucking wall

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
t. seething whore
Doesn't matter how much you like to say "I'm different than my model, I'm not really a whore, I'm better than those holo sluts", you're never gonna make it.

>>52378772
>Most don't even consider the possibility of male vtubers being real thanks to Hololive getting it's foot in the door first
Nijisanji EN did have a chance to make male vtubing relevant, and they decided to pander to horny fujos in the same way EN whores pander to horny weebs. Holo being focused on girls doesn't mean they're to blame for males being a failure.

[Anonymous No.]

Cuck thread

[Anonymous No.]

Not reading that shit, Hololive board

[Anonymous No.]

If you want shonen arcs you need to go the VSPO road and hire good gamers that are willing to compete in lots of things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
So you have watched Bettel. Have you tried watching Vesper? or maybe Shinri? I am pretty sure at least for Vesper, the majority of his audiences are dudes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
not reading all that, seethe somewhere else anon

[Anonymous No.]

iirc it wasnt cover that started flooding the EN space with mediocre vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
Nigger, i can't read a wall of text with no punctuation or paragraphs

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
Not reading that. You are retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
Good. All EN "vtubers" should all just quit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
Didn't read. OP's a fag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52379048
Vesper is basically the only one that defies this by having (presumably) a male-majority audience. He just doesn’t appeal to me that much since he’s too lowkey.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
Here, let me summarize:
>Hana Macchia ruined vtubing by not taking that first step for Nijisanji
You are correct btw.

[Anonymous No.]

>kill this culture for my homos please - The thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
(Me) also, I don’t give 2 shits about singing. Non-vtuber streamers aren’t expected to sing, so why are vtubers? Because of hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
This is a lot of words for "but muh brotubers"

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
Mucho texto I won't read

If you want to vomit words at least make paragraphs segments holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

actual schizo writing style
there's plenty of vtubers that don't follow Hololive's example, go watch them
and if there are not enough people that like them like you do, well, suck it up
your ideal just isn't as popular

[Anonymous No.]

>NOOOOOOO I DON'T WANT PRETTY ANIME GIRLS I WANT MENNNNN
shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378974
This. Got keen on them right before Vsai5 and I haven’t turned back

[Anonymous No.]

Western VTubing was doomed from the start with the drivel that is popular on Twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52380885
Even better.
>What? Watch men? Uhhhhh, no, sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
sorry not reading all that though

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
Cover is where it is at because of the lack of competition. Long-term planning. They endured the hard times and know how not to self-implode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52381049
Ehhhh they kinda got lucky more than anything by breaking into the western sphere through clips. Had they not done so they undoubtedly would have imploded with the Way things were at the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
The whole appeal of idols in general is supporting someone starting small and grinding to make it. Kind of the main appeal of HoloJP. Equivalent to a training/tourney arc in anime. The waters got muddied in the west when camwhores saw the popularity in vtubers and decided to just become camwhores with avatars. Most don’t have goals or are working towards anything, just demand your money for being le big titty anime girl. Don’t blame holo for grifters trying to cash a check on lonely coomers

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive's standards aren't even that strict and are just the headcanon of people who barely watch it (on both sides)
It's a shame that schizos and clipfags set the standards of what is acceptable both for Hololive and people who arent even in the company and even their views of what an idol should be are a ridiculous parody of JP unicorn mentality

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>>52381246
Hololive is literally the opposite of starting small at this point unless you're invested in someone's PL
It's hard to root for them as an underdog when they debut to 300k people and get half a million subs before debut

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
>Have stunted the garbage vtubing values of the west
You're Welcome

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
Can you put some spacing of the reddit kind so that your wall of text is readable

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
You should blame Luxiem for that.
HoloEN might be big in vtubing, but they weren't only influencers to a hobby.
Big part of it had for example Vshojo.
Even in holoEN you have likes of Mori that never really went with CGDCT model.
But the precursors of what is male vtuber are Luxiem and Luxiem alone.
And which of them end up being biggest?
Menhera Mysta, Fujo panderer Vox and sex pest Luca.
They singlehandedly destroyed male vtuber image in west.

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>>52378625
This is more of an anime issue, you can talk about waifus and husbandos and openly fantazise about them because they're not real (the characters ofc). The character design in manga/anime doesn't help either since most of them are made to cater some fetish and look attractive to viewers.
If people went to address real streamers like they do with vtubers it would be considered plain harrasement, and that's frowned uppon even in japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
>another seething nijifag
kek. after nina, there has been an increase in niji seethes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
get a blog, faggot
>>52378880
no he is not

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
Okay I'll reply seriously to your schizo post.
Before getting into Hololive I used to follow a few brotubers from my country and they were exactly that. Great entertainers, variety content and absolutely in love with weeb and nerdy stuff.
What's the issues with male Vtubers then? First the anime avatar provides nothing of value other than appealing to horny fujos. Quite the opposite, it just restricts you and prevents you from doing a lot of cool shit like irl streams and events.
Second it all comes to talent. You're asking for talented entertainers with great comedic timing that can still perform even in a live streaming situation. That's rare. It's not like Hololive is actively pushing away people like that.
>muh Hololive killed western vtubing and only appeals to parasocial incels!
Just watch Vshojo or Kurosanji. Hell half of their marketing is literally "muh talent freedom we're not like Hololive!".
As I said Vtubing provides nothing of value from an entertainment standpoint other than a cute eye candy and maybe the keyfabe aspect. By adding the music focused idol experience Hololive managed to turn this around and actually make Vtubers something more than Twitch ethots with an avatar.
The CGDCT aspects also serve to make the keyfabe stronger and ADD to that surrealist humor you talked about. Hearing Migo with her baby voice say nigga in GTA V worked exactly because it was Migo and not just some random streamer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52381428
You’re completely missing the point. It’s not about the numbers at all. Again, it’s about setting goals and grinding towards them. Mori is probably the only in EN who has done this and why she’s loved by other chuubas. If your chuubas goal is to get x # of subscribers then you probably shouldn’t expect quality content. Also there is definitely underdogs within holo itself.

[Anonymous No.]

I’m trying to decipher that wall of text you wrote, and the thing is, Nijisanji did have a chance well before Hololive. Multiple times in fact, NijiID when Hana was popular was well ahead of HoloID, NijiJP and EN males were more popular than the Stars too and could redefined a new standard.
But the thing is, they didn’t. Hana is menhera prime and self sabotaged herself despite being one of the few chuubas that could actually speak English at the time. And people did at one point give the NijiEN males a chance, but they either got fed up with some talents obviously trying to ship themselves with their oshi, the fact that the men are more menhera than any of the females, or the fact the more obvious factor that you don’t seem to get. People just didn’t find them entertaining. Especially on the JP side if they barely made clips.

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>>52378625
Ultimately they care more about the money they can squeeze from lonely losers instead of providing a larger variety of vtuber genres. One makes more profit. It's sad but the ceiling has been reached

[Anonymous No.]

>>52381937
The homowatchers here unironically don't understand how homos are different from flesh creators, homolovers were going apeshit that people are fine with collabing with males, the problem isn't the gender it's that homos are subhumans there is next to no exception to this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
TL;dr.
Now go watch an unfunny Japanese woman play the lastest streamer shovelware Only up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52382100
The seeth in this single post in unreal get a life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
Seething woman typed this post

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
Hololive is the only reason vtubing even has reputation to ruin in first place
The ones ruining it are Twitch whores btw
In fact Twitch murdered reputation of streamers in general for west

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
>people think CGDCT is the only viable genre
Nice fanfic retard, people LIKE CGDCT since before Hololive was a thing
>What attracted me to this hobby was anime people acting like real-ass people while maintaining a level of absurdism
So you're a Nijifag, nice to know.
>I never wanted to fuck or fall in love with any of them
So you lack basic female interaction, good to know.
> And if I couldn't get people sticking to kayfabe, I'd at least want an extension of the stuff I already watch like Oneyplays, Jon-era Game Grumps, Vinesauce, or Jerma, but without the open or passive disdain of people that enjoy Japanese media.
This is the most retarded thing I've heard any anon say
>None of this shit would have happened and we'd actually have variety if Nijisanji wasn't a trainwreck
Thanks for confirming 100% without a shadow of a doubt you're a seething nijifag.

You try to blame Hololive for your failures? nice, here's the truth tho, before Hololive was going mainstream people already were watching indies, but everyone had the same stupid attitude and were going full slut mode, if you want to blame ANYONE for your dear Kurosanji Vtubers becoming a trainwreck it should be fucking twitch chuubas and fucking cooksie, I still remember when Luxiem first debuted, everything was coomer pandering on their first tweets. ''I'll make you a-COOM-a'' -Vox akuma. Not convinced? let's go even more in depth into the past, when the first gen of NijiEN debuted, what did the fish girl do? she had her model on a bathtub iirc and played the overused reverb fart sound and who the fuck uses that other than the twitch culture? Hololive was not allowed to do that shit until later on and that means 2023.
Everything was the same in twitch
>slut chuuba
>boring voice chuuba
>MUH POLITICAL OPINION
>MUH LGBT
>LET'S REACT TO MEMES!!!
I even watched ironmouse back in the day of her old model, the pink one, it was also a cycle
>tangent
>20 mins of a game
>more tangents about cum
>mousey is in the bathroom watching hentai
You and I have a common enemy and that is twitch culture poisoning everything it touches, it happens to your dear Nijis, it happened to HoloEN and it will keep happening because people can't stop sucking e-celeb cock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52382100
seethe and cope loser.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52382108
Oh absolutely. Vesper was hailed as pretty much the perfect male Vtuber when for his first 6 months 90% of his content were SC readings and now he just spams WoW streams. And the dude has genuine issues talking while gaming, which is literally streaming 101.
As I said I used to watch flesh stramers before getting into chuubas and Hololive. I know what I'm talking about and their potential. Male Vtubers so far are just shitters who ruin the core appeal of Hololive while providing nothing of value in return.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
The "potential" is what you see on twitch tubers who sometimes barely have even heard of Hololive. We didn't miss much, as it turns out. They literally don't understand the potential and just act exactly like ethots just with anime masks on.

[Anonymous No.]

HoloEN is dying because they're too fucking slow at debuting new talents, and the ones they have are wildly inconsistent at streaming.
NijiEN is dying because they constantly spitting in the face of their viewers, also management shittery.
Vshojo is basically "Nepohire: the company".
This is why you're seeing more and more smaller agencies growing like Phase and Idol, people are looking for alternatives. Hell even some indies have been on the rise, recently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378727
Oh sure, don't read my thesis statement of a post but if I dare space it out better than I'm accusing of fucking reddit spacing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52382876
This is not
Reddit spacing
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This

Is

Reddit

Spacing

[Anonymous No.]

Tummi hort

[Anonymous No.]

>extension of anime
>wants it to be even more non-anime related than envtubing already is
I regret every word I read. Genuinely kill yourself op, take some of your kind with you too while you're at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
>Nijifaggotry

[Anonymous No.]

>>52382832
>i am a phase and idol faggot
your opinion are automatically invalid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
Buy an ad Holonigger

[Anonymous No.]

Didn't read, skill issue.

[Anonymous No.]

Pippa will always be a grifter bvtm no matter how much you attack hololive/nijisanji and lick fishmans boots

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
>But because of Hololive, people think CGDCT is the only viable genre
Projekt Melody wouldn't do any twitch stream if this wasn't the case
Coomer shit is incredibly event oriented, outside events, traffic dies
Advertisers don't like edgy content, don't blame hololive for shutting down haachama, blame youtube for treating vtubers as child adjacent content.
Do you want more vtubers like nuxtaku?
Like falseeyedee or revsaysdesu?

What are these mythical content creators you think aren't being represented?
What, a gundam vtuber?
So he can do what?
Play gundam games and put together gunpla?
Many vtubers already do this.

Do you want more Tony the Tiger mascot vtubers?
Do you want captain crunch?
Do you want to give $100 superchats to a politically correct captain crunch vtuber?

Here's the reality, vtubers are a crutch for people who can't be entertaining without one, if anyone was so entertaining, they would have made it as themselves instead of as an anime character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52383139
You don't need to do reddit spacing you fucking retard.
Literally just shift + enter
and you get a new line like this.
It would at least have been structured better that way than the fucking mess of a post that the OP is. Didn't read it btw and never post again please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52383931
meant for >>52382876

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
>watches bettel
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not reading these fucking walls of text, but if you want to know what ruined vtubing in the west it's the flood of trend-chasing twitch whores who saw HoloEN's success and wanted a piece of it. Hot tub streams got replaced by coomer vtuber models, although most of them still try to bait with their actual body too. The result is that even as anime and Japanese cultural products at large are becoming widely accepted, the general perception in the west is that vtubers are a porn thing, and a hobby you should be ashamed of sharing.

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>>52378625
I enjoy cute girls doing cute things and I enjoy Hololive but I think you're right that they set the tone so heavily that it disincentives a lot of creativity from other vtubers. Veibae would be the twitch thot equivalent on the western side, so it's those two modes and very little to talk about inbetween.
There's a division here though where you have to ask, why would a guy want to dress up as an anime dude over just doing the same thing as a facecam streamer? It's not a small investment to get a vtuber model up and running.
>>52378827
This, your best bet is unironically learning Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625

[Anonymous No.]

So OP, genuinely, did you learn anything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
I generally agree, Vtubing has a lot of potential when it comes to allowing content creators to push boundries without being "too silly" and in general lean more into their characters, and it's a bit unfortunate that Hololive's popularity pidgeonholed the entire industry into leaning heavily into the idol/gfe thing. But honestly, /vt/ is actually the worst place in the entire internet to try to make this argument, everyone here likes vtubers exactly because of those aspects.

[Anonymous No.]

Kayfabe is hard, especially if you limit yourself to a genre. I agree that it would be fun to have more skits though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
didnt read but you seem angry

[Anonymous No.]

I'm happy for you man. Or sad that happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
bro

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least

add

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line

breaks

[Anonymous No.]

Most EOP thread since a long time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
YWNBAW

[Anonymous No.]

Didn't read.
I only watch idol vtubers. Not sluts or whores or any males.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52383608
You have prrmanent console war brain rot

[Anonymous No.]

Just watch porn if you want to coom you dumb fuck OP.

[Anonymous No.]

The cream rises to the top. If it doesn't, then it wasn't that creamy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52385046
based?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
kill yourself faggot

[Anonymous No.]

Somewhat confused with this. There were thousands of vtubers before the rise of Hololive. Even Ironmouse has been in the business longer than Sora, so it begs the question, why didn't they get as popular as quickly in the west? Perhaps what Hololive was selling at the time was what the market wanted, and much like anything else the market in the west is slowly moving on. I think whatever it is you want out of vtubers, if something comes along that people want, perhaps it aligns with whatever you like.

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive is successful because they have the resources to let their talents be more than streamers. There is an actual story to follow of your oshi growing and being able to do things they'd only be able to dream of otherwise.
It's the ultimate anime story, the hero accomplishing their goals. Whether they actually have to drive to that depends on the talent but hololive is the only place that actually sells that fantasy of an anime character. Like think of Suisei, she has the ultimate underdog anime character story from being a sad indie to possibly making it to Budokan solo. The idol way is just the most convenient way for them to do it but it doesn't have to be just that. Even Korone becoming an official Sonic ambassador sells that fantasy.

Your regular indie streamer vtuber won't be able to even begin to sell the anime character fantasy because there's no "story" they can tell you, they just stream and be entertaining because they would need a huge amount of attention and support that small corpos can't provide.

[Anonymous No.]

Quality > quantity

[Anonymous No.]

indy vtubers are pulling bigger numbers now honestly. not that many of them, but there are a few. it's weird how many people watch ironmouse. her content is not even that great unless she is gaming which is only like 20 percent of the time. ppl like watching dumb shit and gathering in flocks like sheep i guess. There are far more entertaining vtubers out there i find anyway.
But iron mouse just pulled in half a million $ on her subathon rn that has to be some kind of twitch record i would think. She is giving half to a charity she says. I wanna see that receipt.

[Anonymous No.]

literally 9000 viewers watching iron mouse sleep while Connor does asmr background voice wtf.. it's so cringe.. the average twitch viewer is a moron i guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>52386434
Iron Mouse has 90% of the Twitch clique constantly shilling her ass. From the Irish fuck to the circlejerk Twitch awards.
The Twitch elites are pretty much budget Hollywood celebrities with all the degeneracy and incestuous VIP clubs. Main reason why a lot of Hololive fans constantly try to gatekeep and keep Holos away from this shitshow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
Become the competition or support a small corpo

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
Chatgpt post

[Anonymous No.]

All indies behave like niggersanji and vshitshow so I'm not exactly sure how holoEN affects the market at all aside from people preferring it to the absolute fucking trash everyone else is doing. Which is wild because it isnt even good either.

[Anonymous No.]

VSPO and Neo Porte is more up your alley op, but they are japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625

[Anonymous No.]

>>52381187
>Ehhhh they kinda got lucky
You can say that about every single thing on this planet.

Taking the chance from luck is how all successful thing in this world become successful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
You should watch Vesper.

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>>52378625

[Anonymous No.]

>Niji niji
>Idol and phase hate
>Its all hana's fault
You stirred up the bronies OP
And you are correct, Hololive effectively killed vtubing in the west, its all the same boring junk, worst of all it leads to people attacking girls that don't fit the mold(the biggest reason the niji hag fox is quitting).
At the very least Hololive will die thanks to its own stupid mistakes, tossing money into trash that will bomb(holoearth) and currently, having a huge new studio but not hiring staff, thus leading to massive delays in everyone's 3D's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52391214
Nice fanfic retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
kill yourself retard
hololive is the sole reason why vtubing HAPPENED in the west in the first place.
without hololive there would be NO VTUBING in the west.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52391845
Already confirmed by the talents themselves, but don't worry they'll fix this issue by the end of their fiscal year(April).
>>52393034
Vtubing existed in the west well before holoshit, it would exist without it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
>the best of them all
>lives rentfree in their heads
Truly the White Man of vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

>>52393160
lmao vtubing in the west before hololive was like a hatchling without its mother waiting for death
hololive came through and saved that starving infant and raised it to be a hawk
you didnt care back when it was dying but now that it's a proper man you are pissed that it didnt troon out?
pathetic

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>>52378625
>Because of this boring fuck of a company being the market leader, the popular perception of vtubing in the EN world is absurdly narrow when it really shouldn't be like that
go back to twitch westoid nigger tranny, pic related

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
TL;DR. You're a dumbfuck. The saturation point for all vtubing is limited because of the anime facet of it. All you have to do is compare vtubing to regular video camera streaming. If you happen to notice, big streamers don't need agencies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625

[Anonymous No.]

>>52381428
Hololive was small in the beginning

[Anonymous No.]

>>52393946
>NijisanjiEN is trash because of Hololive, I don't have any proof but I don't have any doubts either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52394123
>no proof but no doubts
so they're an average /vt/ poster

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625

[Anonymous No.]

>>52386434
>that has to be some kind of twitch record i would think
Not even close. Record is over 300k subs and she's only a bit over 180k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52393160
YAS SISTER. Double down on that fiction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
>Vinesauce, or Jerma
Unreal to me how many people watch Jerma and Vinny and are also intense, rabid, vtuber fans, maybe Vinesauce should really be holding vtubing auditions

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
i read the first few words and the last few. thank you cover for limiting the number of shit western vtubers we have. i only wish they had done a better job. en vtubing is a fucking mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
Sounds like competition failed to step it up.

[Anonymous No.]

the fuck did kenji do

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
Western women stunted the growth of vtubing in the west. There's way too many of them and they're far too boring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
You are a gigantic faggot kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
Someone's application got rejected huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
Hololive will never die, nijinigger. You should already be at peace with all of this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52380070
>Hana Macchia
Maybe but part of her appeal is being in that weird middle ground of popularity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>52378625
CGDCT literally SAVED ANIME you fucking animal, it was the NES of anime and it set the bases and provided the funds to still have more than fucking shonenshit airing

[Anonymous No.]

Did we forget already?
There were other corps with English debuts before Hololive. No one expected Myth to be near as successful, which boosted all of Hololive.

Timeline of all vtubers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhkLY7ZZsNI
While Fubuki and Aqua were gaining ground just before the Myth debut. The release of Myth became total domination for all Hololive members. Crazy how fast it happened.

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>>52378625
another roastie rejected by cover huh?

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>>52399280
OP is literally a shonenfag so that sounds like heaven to them.

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>>52378625
Ster does the real brotuber experience when he uses his ghost model, too bad most males are either fags or, like Ster, only uses the vtuber model when he just doesn't feels like using facecam.
There's also Turbo who makes cool songs and uses a vtuber model but that's just his lazy alternative for a facecam

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>>52380901
you missed the best years

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>>52394123
NijiEN ended up being watchable when it was like Holo with only two waves. After that it just went off the rails and is either losing momentum or ready to crash.

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>>52394348
Bases ChatGDP. Take notes OP.

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>>52378625
>talk about how typical western e-girl behavior and fan dynamics is ruining vtubing
>blame leading corpo for taking advantage of preexisting conditions

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>>52378625
>Demasiado Texto
You still got the right idea tho.

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As someone who watched jerma and other old content creators, holojp is the closest that resembles them though? Watching aqua's challenge game streams is like watching old tfue or shroud's game streams. The blame solely lies on luxiem's setting the tone for male vtubers in the west.

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>>52404846
Yeah and somehow OP thinks is Hololive's fault Nijisanji is filled with a bunch of menheras, if anything Nijisanji had the opportunity to cull HoloEN when 80% of its roster was MIA and yet the livers managed to screw that up by themselves.

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>>52378625
I don't care if you're a redditoid. I would've loved to hear you out if you did SPACING. But to some degree I do agree with you. Imagine if a Vtuber agency decided to hear chuunibyou Otaku to play their Live2D models like they were in an anime. I'd watch them purely because it's funny

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>>52394348
Unfortunately Niji does not fit the category of shounen. They're more like ecchi/hentai.

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>>52380088
>i'm a seanigger and i must have zero reading comprehension

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>>52378625
Sorry to hear that

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>>52394348
this is how you do it

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>>52378625
Take your med.

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No one care about your 2view vtubers troon

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to be honest I somewhat agree with OP. I think "vtubing" (which will become more like virtual representations of yourself that you put online) is going to branch out way more than it is now but we have to wait for the current phase of vtubing to be over.

like i remember seeing a jp vtuber who made vlogs about traveling on her bike and camping and shit, and that's the kind of thing we're going to get relatively soon. all it takes is time for the en side of things because it's less developed and since most entubers aren't trying to push boundaries.

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>>52378625
True. Imagine if Hololive only took a few notes from wrestling kayfabe.
There are people who say that they also want candidness though, so I think the solution is to get better streamers who can both play the character AND still be candid, while management keeps their RM shit separate and sealed-off from public eyes.

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True. Setting a standard on how to behave online really damaged Vtubing in the West...
They're expected to have a personality OR a skill that makes them entertaining to watch AND isn't porn?? The nerve of Cover. Next they expect the girls to read a book as a work assignment...

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>>52378625
>without the open or passive disdain of people that enjoy Japanese media
You're actually talking about a bigger problem within the EN anime community. The people who like Japanese media are shunned by the mainstream West because they are not politically correct. Just look at this train wreck:
>Evil loli strategist character who challenges the protagonist in a life-and-death way?
EN: Lolis are for pedos, character development doesn't matter.
>Normalization of slavery and discrimination by the protagonist in a shounen media to depict a harsh world
EN: Canceled!
>Some male character wants to be in the same room as a female character to protect her
EN: Weird! Creepy!

So what is the only JP thing that is not controversial for Westerners? Lovey-dovey happy rainbows and sunshine with idols and cute girls/hot guys.

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>>52378625
I'll take the bait. EN Hololive did cause problems for the EN vtuber sphere, but not in the way you think.
The problem was last year all of them not streaming, doing half assed content besides a couple, and just causing drama whether it be major or minor drove away other vtubers from emulating them and going instead to twitch.
EN management not releasing any new Gens for the girls side also did this as those EN vtubers all believe there will be no new holoEN girls so they instead went to copy twitch streamers.
This was a problem since the bigger twitch streamers tend to see new trends and suck up everything about it for content. Those said streamers and their fans brought in more people but expected things to conform more to what the big streamers do which led to vtubers doing all the react shit and constantly making "Takes" on twitter.
All the Kayfabe was lost because the new audience they get their money from thinks acting like a anime character is cringe, they only want the model for the novelty and coomer art but expect the same political or ideological stances their main streamers take.
TDLR; Big Twitch streamers forced themselves into another niche and destroyed it for content. Hololive only gave them the opportunity to do it.

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>>52394123
Swap Nijisanji and Hololive(EN) in that sentence and it becomes partially true.

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too many words but i have to agree

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>K-on is boring as fuck, Imas or any other idol property that isn't oshi no ko is boring as fuck, give me shounen shit any day of the week

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>>52378625
You don't understand vtubing, streaming, or anime

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>>52378625
not going to read that
melody and the chatturbate drama ruined western vtubing by attracting clout seeking whores who dont give a shit about anime or otaku culture

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>>52378625
>I don't give a shit about CGDCT and never have
4chan was literally made to discuss CGDCT anime, you dont belong here
>stuff I already watch like Oneyplays, Jon-era Game Grumps, Vinesauce, or Jerma
kill yourself
>"female chuuba appeal to man, male chuuba appeal to woman" became the law of the land
girls also love CGDCT