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So when is her debut in VshojoJP going to be?

>> No.51561154

Right after the full VshojoJP pole dancing collab

>> No.51561198

>>51561064
Soon

>> No.51561333

AnimeExpo in a couple weeks along with Mirai Akari.

>> No.51561618

Once she's finished with school.

>> No.51561855

>>51561064
unironically soon

>> No.51562000

>>51561064
She'd have to be an idiot to join vshojo. Look at kson's numbers. She used to be the number 1 vtuber in the world for most of 2020. Now look at her.
Haato doesn't have Kson's army of rich office worker simps, she'd do evrn worse.

>> No.51562019

>>51561333
One have to wonder what kind of silver tongue bullshit Kekson tells them to convince them to join her apart from the obvious "talent freedom" shit

>> No.51562415

Not gonna happen vshojocucks

>> No.51562803

>>51561064
Michlecat made a twitch and stremed there so make your guesses we might get some news next month

>> No.51564603

>>51561064
Not happening vshojokek

>> No.51564971

>>51562803
Sounds more like Mike is getting ready to leave.

>> No.51565079

>>51561064
Anon... Dead people can't debut...

>> No.51565168

>>51562000
if she's thinking clearly she wouldn't even consider it but we don't know what state of mind she's in and kson is a snake so i'll admit i'm a little worried. if it happens it will be total war

>> No.51565199

>>51564971
I'm sure she wants to. Kson just took advantage of her fragile mental state
But I think even Kson recognises that Haachama would be a 2view at best

>> No.51565912

>>51562019
>if for any reason you have an issue with the company, you can leave with exactly 0 penalty
I dunno nigga sounds like a good deal to me

>> No.51566041

>>51562019
>>51565168
i can't believe that heckin' kekson the snek. i also saw her telling people hololive was bad in a dream.

>> No.51566081

>>51565912
>the best part about VShojo is that you can leave
Kek. They can't just fuck off, though. If they sign a contract for a year and realise a few months in that it's a load of bullshit, they're trapped there for a year. A waste of time.

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>>51566081
>They can't just fuck off

>> No.51566553

>>51566376
By fucking off, I mean actually fucking off, not just "not streaming"
Besides, one thing VShojo fans deliberately overlook is that there's enough circumstantial evidence to believe that different girls in VShojo have different contracts. Hime has a bunch of connections and was mostly added as a joke, so her contract is 100% more lenient and probably better than nearly any of the other girls. Keep in mind this is a company who lost three of their four most popular streamers partially due to new, shitter contracts.

>> No.51566727

>>51566081
>If they sign a contract for a year and realise a few months in that it's a load of bullshit, they're trapped there for a year.
Anonymous, that is the risk you take with literally every contract in the history of contracts.

The difference is that in VShojo, as an example, Henya can leave next year if she wants. She won't graduate. Her channels won't get nuked. Her fanbase will carry over in its entirety.

If Haachama leaves Hololive, she loses everything and must trust in the community to find her again.

If you're looking at your career as a vtuber in the long term, one of these is much more appealing than the other.

>>51566553
>there's enough circumstantial evidence to believe that different girls in VShojo have different contracts
Negotiation of contract terms is a completely normal process and happens not just in vtubing but literally every industry to ever exist.
If any members of VShojo have different contracts, it's because they negotiated differently.

/vt/ really needs to fucking learn how the real world works, 'cause I swear to God everything you faggots think is "wrong" with VShojo (company) is just completely standard practice.

>> No.51567200

>>51566553
Everyone can and has fucked off for an extended period of time in Vshojo, not just Hime. The only thing that has mandatory participation in Vshojo are off-stream staff meetings.
>partially due to new, shitter contracts
You mean "entirely due to a competitor with more money making an offer too good to refuse". This was literally confirmed by multiple people in the new organization that they all joined.

>> No.51567380

>>51567200
lol did they become jewtubers?

>> No.51567404

>>51567200
I believe Kson pointed out that the new contracts weren't all that great and bragged about how her own contract was improved directly as a result of the others leaving.

>> No.51567507

>>51566727
>If any members of VShojo have different contracts, it's because they negotiated differently.
The thing is that I don't disagree with you, here. My point is that if you ever try to even imply that one of the VShojo girls has a different contract, you'll get given a spiel about how it's impossible and Hime is usually given as an example
I've basically given up on trying to explain that Nazuna has a particularly bad contract because people are too headstrong to admit it. The fact that she was likely desperate to join an agency after being fired meaning that she was hesitant to push for a good contract seems like insane logic to some people in the VShojo fanbase.

>> No.51567592

>>51566727
>everything you faggots think is "wrong" with VShojo (company) is just completely standard practice.
There are literally only two things that is wrong with VShojo that makes me despise them. My oshi isn't happy being with them and I have reason to believe that VShojo's management doesn't particularly like fans like me. I presume that's reason enough to dislike the company?

>> No.51567782

>>51567404
She said the English contracts weren't as good as the Japanese ones due to different laws in different countries, and that Vshojo improved them all in an effort to compete [with Mythic]. Neither of those things contradicts with what I posted about them getting bought out by Mythic.

>> No.51568535

>>51567782
Any explanation as to why Nazuna's contract wasn't improved?

>> No.51568550

>>51567507
>trying to explain that Nazuna has a particularly bad contract
You don't know what her contract looks like, and by now she's had the chance to renegotiate (or leave).
She's still there, so that should tell you something.

>>51567592
>My oshi isn't happy being with them
See above

>> No.51568640

>>51568550
>and by now she's had the chance to renegotiate (or leave).
Renegotiate? Yes. We know attempts were made on that front
Leave? If her contract is a year long or thereabouts, we'll only know if she's actually choosing to stay in a month or two. To call it before that point would be premature.
Well. I do say that, but I can basically guarantee that her choice won't be the one you're hoping for.

>> No.51568653

>>51568535
It was

>> No.51568711

>>51568653
Nazuna never claimed it was.

>> No.51568786

>>51568711
Did Nazuna claim that the contracts are the same or got worse?

>> No.51568891

>>51568640
>we'll only know if she's actually choosing to stay in a month or two
Debut date isn't contract sign date. Nyan and Silver debuted with VShojo in October, Vei in April. They all left at the same time.
Kson talked about her contract changing at that time.
All that considered, it's reasonable to believe that VShojo has a unified renewal date regardless of an individual talent's sign date.

If Nazuna was going to leave, she'd be gone by now.

>> No.51568911

>>51568786
Nazuna has not talked about the other girl's contracts. I'm afraid pushing for further information would require me to go against her wishes, so I won't.
Out of curiosity, are you that mentally ill anon who keeps shitting up our general to defend VShojo?

>> No.51568979

>>51568891
>If Nazuna was going to leave, she'd be gone by now.
This is completely not true and contradicts things she's implied. That being said, the date at which she can leave will be coming up shortly. So let's see what choice she'll end up making

>> No.51569059

>>51568911
>Nazuna has not talked about the other girl's contracts
So you're just making shit up, glad that's settled.

>> No.51569178

>>51568979
>things she's implied
My guy you cannot be telling me you're talking vague statements, filling in the blanks yourself, and calling it fact.

Promise you won't seethe when July comes around and Nazuna's still in VShojo.

>> No.51569205

>>51569059
Ehhhhhh, ok, so you're a bit dumb, so I'll try to explain this
Nazuna has not talked about other people's contracts. The key emphasis being "other". But the details we do know would strongly imply that her contract cannot be the same as the other girls. Does this make sense?

>> No.51569313

>>51569178
You have an extraordinarily annoying manner of speaking. You are a Nazuna only viewer, aren't you?
Could you kindly stop preaching to me as if I'm in the dark about things when you literally choose to avoid watching about 60% of her content?

>> No.51569435

>>51569205
>But the details we do know would strongly imply that her contract cannot be the same as the other girls
I could tell you that without even knowing who Nazuna is.
It's incredibly likely that every member has a different contract to every other member, because they are all individuals that have different wants and needs and will negotiate differently.
Different does not mean worse.

>>51569313
60% of her content happens at ass o'clock when I have a dayjob. Fuck outta here with that holier-than-thou act.

>> No.51569523

>>51569205
>imply
>Does this make sense?
No. Only facts matter. Provide proof or stop posting.

>> No.51569568

>>51569523
I'm not leaking mengen to satisfy some mentally ill shill. Fuck off

>> No.51569645
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51569645

>the eternal battle of the vshojo corpowhiteknight vs nekofami quotaschizo has spilled over into the catalog

>> No.51569647

>>51569435
How about you fuck off with your
>she's totally staying bro hehehe
stuff. We have enough VShojo shills ruining our general on a daily basis and they're so comically out of the loop, but yet we have to treat them seriously? It's annoying. It really is.

>> No.51569654

>>51569568
Then don't leak it. Date and timestamp only. I speak Japanese fluently, have zero mental illnesses, and have access to almost every archive.

>> No.51569738

>>51561064
Even in the unlikely event she were to ever join VshojoJP, unless she is fired instead of voluntarily graduating, it will be at least a year after she graduates from Hololive.

Remember that kson joined VShojo almost exactly 1 year after leaving Hololive.

>> No.51569773

>>51569568
She can't tell you the contents of her contract, even in your sacred mengens. Shut the fuck up.
You do not know what you're talking about.

>> No.51569880

>>51569654
>and have access to almost every archive.
She barely archives any of her streams. How would you have access to archives?

>> No.51569885

>>51569738
>anime expo scheduled their entire convention around coco's graduation so vshojo could announce Kson right after her contract expired
so that's why they call him the gunrun...

>> No.51569949

>>51569880
You know people can record it themselves right

>> No.51569958

>>51569880
I noticed that you deflected instead of providing the information I requested.

>> No.51570078

>>51561064
It won't happen. And if it does, vshitshow is gonna get blacklisted so much.

>> No.51570152

>>51570078
just like they're all blacklisted over hiring le evil nazuna the nda slayer

>> No.51570186

>>51570152
The difference is, she was fired and nobody else would risk taking her.

>> No.51570208

>>51569949
Right, but I doubt you're an actual fan

>> No.51570259

>>51570186
She was in discussions with VShojo as early as March 2022.
We don't actually know for a fact if she was completely blacklisted, but from what I know, it's actually unlikely for her to be 100% blacklisted. Unfortunately we live in the timeline where she went for VShojo.
Well, even if she did join, she can always leave

>> No.51570289

I find it funny how K-son is viewed on this board
>She’s retarded for leaving Holo to join VS+ when contract clauses expired
>She’s playing 4D chess by secretly recruiting other vtubers with her status as an ex corpo
It’s just retards fighting each other over stories they’ve gaslighted themselves over believing

>> No.51570333

>>51570208
You can just post "she never actually talked about it and I'm making shit up" and end this instead of endlessly deflecting. Don't reply again unless it's the date and timestamp I asked for.

>> No.51570347

>>51569958
Not leaking mengen online to win an argument
Continue to seethe impotently and await the promised day
Honestly, you're nearly as autistc as Marineschizo. That's not really a good thing

>> No.51570480

>>51570347
The dates of her twitcasts and member streams are all publicly available information. You would not be leaking anything by proving the proof to your claim. The only thing stopping you is the fact that you are lying and you know it.

>> No.51570641

>>51570480
What exactly is your angle? Are you a VShitshow shill who can't stand his precious organization being insulted? Or are you a Mikeneko anti who wants her to stay with that company because you know it's shit?
You'll have to provide information to me before I say anything, because if I suspect you're an anti, I won't trust you. I'll just assume you'll leak whatever mengen I mention in spite just to hurt her, regardless of whether or not my information is correct.
After all, someone already did it

>> No.51570839

>>51570641
>no numbers at all are in your post
Not even going to read what you said. I accept your concession though. Please stop slandering Vshojo with lies from now on.

>> No.51570931

>>51568979
Using a bit of common sense, I see it like this.
Nazuna might've have already renewed her contract for another year. After all, day of debut is not day of contract signing, because if she backs down after the hype campaign started, then VShojo ends up looking incredibly bad.
I think the month of contract renewal in VShojo is April, and that month came and went, and only Silvervale, Vei and Nyanners left. I think that if Nazuna wanted to leave VShojo, she should've left at that moment, unless she came to some sort of agreement with VShojo to stay until August to celebrate her first anniversary and then she can leave in August 1st, but if she was so exasperated with the current situation, then I don't get why she didn't leave with the other three that left. Because you guys make it seem like she's desperate to leave.

>> No.51570940

>>51570839
>VShojo
VShitshow*

>> No.51570986

>>51570931
You should use common sense to actually watch her streams instead of writing head canon.

>> No.51570997

>>51570347
>Not leaking mengen online to win an argument
Then don't start arguing if your position hinges on information you refuse to divulge.

>> No.51571051

>>51570986
Irony

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Feel free to post that date and timestamp any time you want to.

>> No.51572191

>>51570986
He's right though lol. Doesn't matter what she's saying or implying, the contracts to join 100% were not signed on the day she debuted, and the likely renewal date was April or March. The rrats about Kson joining were seriously started mid-May, and the first tease for Nazuna's eventual debut was May 20th of last year. Contracts 100% would have been signed and preparations being made prior to this. In addition, if she was leaving they would 100% go for a repeat of the Henya debut strategy. She leaves, they take the bad news, then temper that bad news with an almost immediate tease and buildup towards new debuts. We're halfway through June with a likely new debut in 2-3 weeks and there's nothing for it to have been covering up. Add in that she's making con appearances at Offkai right now, and is signed up for a con appearance at AX and literally none of this adds up to her leaving. At least not right now.

>> No.51572429

>>51572191
kson and her manager joined in april

>> No.51572486

>>51562019
pretty easy to lie to women.

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>>51572429
Makes even more sense then. I only know at /vsj+/ the speculation began seriously when Vei (who literally never raids anyone) raided Kson out of the blue. Going by the archive that was May 14th, and the first tease for Nazuna was in Zen's lore video which was May 20th. Timeline lines up for everything to have been started in April.

>> No.51572646

>>51572191
How about actually listening to her?

>> No.51572754

>>51572646
Buddy, unless she decides to break contract then you can cite her all you want. Unless she decided to sign a 6 month notice or something like that then we've nothing to suggest she's leaving on her anniversary or anytime close to now.

>> No.51572852

>>51572646
>>51571625

>> No.51572864

>>51572754
Look, feel free to gag on as much cope as you wish, but literally just listening to her would make you realise how retarded your theory is.
Whatever. I'll be done with you VShojo fags soon enough.

>> No.51572927

>JUST LISTEN TO HER
>Sure! Which stream do I listen to?
>..............

>> No.51573104

>>51572518
that's probably right around when Nazuna joined, as far as I am aware she signed on like a month or so after Kson did

>> No.51573107

>>51572927
>just listen to the Japanese girl, who speaks a language you don't understand, in her unarchived stream (unarchived to prevent antis attacking her)
The fact you VShojo faggots have decided that we, her fans, are not a trustworthy source, is your own failing. There is literally no way we'll ever get along since you don't trust us, for God knows whatever reasons.
I'm closing this thread and I'm going to go read Umineko now, which, you know, is a story about the importance of trusting people. Might want to reflect on that a little bit.

>> No.51573222

>>51570986
Bro, I'm taking the word of your general for granted that she wants to leave, I'm just using some known things about VShojo contract renewals to try and make that have sense with the vague statements that you guys say she says in her twitcasts. If I knew Japanese and I had the money then maybe I could make a more informed headcanon by listening to her twitcasts, but since I only have the words of the Rumina thread to base my assumptions on, then that's the most I came up with. Will she leave VShojo? Yes, but I see it happening either next year, or in August or September of this year.

>> No.51573350

>>51573104
Pretty sure it's been said before that Kson and Nazuna joined as a group and that Kson wouldn't have joined if she wasn't coming along. It's also very unlikely that VShojo would have started an entire JP branch with only a single member. Going by the archive again, the first mentions of loutlot were when VShojo JP was informally announced on April 26th. https://twitter.com/loutlot/status/1519009081201401856

>> No.51573356

>>51573107
I actually like Nazuna, unlike you who is constantly slandering her with your lies. That's all you "fans" do. You're all liars. Just fuck off. Do not (You) me unless it's the date and timestamp of her discussing her contract.

>> No.51573623

>>51573350
vshojo JP is not a branch, it's a subsidiary that handles japan-related business for all the members, the members are not in EN or JP
also loutlot was friends with gunrun before vshojo was a thing and he worked for vshojo before kson and nazzy joined

>> No.51573693

>>51573623
He worked for Twitch until mid-March and announced VShojo JP at the end of April. I have heard that he knew Gunrun before but I don't know how much work he would've done with VShojo unless it was just preparing him for the job he'd take in April.

>> No.51573830

>>51573222
Just two more weeks

>> No.51573873

>>51573350
>Pretty sure it's been said before that Kson and Nazuna joined as a group and that Kson wouldn't have joined if she wasn't coming along.
Nah that's shit someone made up. Kson joined on her own in March/April after randomly meeting a Vshojo staff member organizing some Kson event. Then Nazuna decided to come later on after randomly talking to Kson one day where she mentioned she was joining Vshojo to her.

>> No.51573962

>>51562803
Is she retarded? Does she not realize way more people want to watch her on Youtube?

>> No.51574101

>>51573962
Think she implied she only wants it for watchalongs

>> No.51574249

>>51573830
>two weeks
Yeah, I'm sure Nazuna, who is confirmed to appear at AX in August and Offkai today in a couple of hours is definitely out in two weeks.

>> No.51574330

>>51562415
Yeah, just like how there was no chance Pikamee would join Vshojo right?

>> No.51574363

>>51573962
>Has to use Twitch for her new job
>Gets used to Twitch and realizes it has some advantages over youtube.
Why wouldn't she make a twitch account for Mike, other than because it makes console warriors shit themself?

>> No.51574440

>>51574249
It was sarcastic joke, mocking keyfags for saying "she is leaving" for almost half a year now.

>> No.51574461

>>51574363
Her "fans", who are all liars, have spent many months telling everyone that she hates Vshojo and Twitch and wants to only use Youtube, so the fact that she would happily make another Twitch account on her own is a shock to everyone that hasn't already figured out that her antis are insane.

>> No.51574543

>>51574363
She wants it for watchalongs
>>51574461
You have an actual mental illness. Also, that Twitch account isn't new. We've known about it for months

>> No.51574661

>>51574543
>if you believe anything her "fans" say, which is always without any evidence whatsoever, you are mentally ill
Yes, I agree. Many others have unfortunately given you the benefit of the doubt for too long. Also I told you to not reply anymore unless it's with the date and timestamp.

>> No.51574731

>>51574661
You are so butthurt, it's hilarious. C'mon doggy, squeal some more. You are literally seething for hours on hours on hours on 4chan about us. Kek
I'd be shocked if you somehow weren't Marineschizo or someone as mentally ill as him. How can you have this much hatred for us? It's utterly abnormal?

>> No.51574824

>>51574249
>AX
Is in July, not August, by the way

>> No.51575030

>>51574731
Maybe I should start uploading the casts that are missing from B2, I can get other people to listen to them and find me the timestamp instead.

>> No.51575177

>>51575030
Kind of insane how you're calling us antis while threatening to leak unarchived casts.
You are an anti. I don't know what's wrong with you. Are you going to go full schizo when she leaves, then?

>> No.51575305

>>51575177
I am a fan who really wants to hear her talk about a certain subject, but without the time to listen to every single archive. What choice do I have?

>> No.51575347

>>51575305
Don't act like an anti, you fucking retard. Jesus, why do I have to spell this out to you?

>> No.51575546

>>51575347
>Don't act like an anti
How do I do that? Should I start slandering her, put words in her mouth in her member streams, then tell everyone on 4chan about it?

>> No.51579181

What did i miss?

>> No.51579273

>>51579181
Some anti lied about what Mikeneko talked about in her member streams

>> No.51579568

>>51579273
K thanks

>> No.51581213

>disappears with minimal communication
>announces graduation
>goes indie until the non-compete ends
>
many such cases

>> No.51581407

>>51581213
Minimal? Try none and not even active on rm accounts.

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