/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

We are approaching Holo EN's contract renewal month.
Hopefully some good news for once like graduations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
>Holo
>Leaving
This isn't nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155704
Nijis don't graduate, they get terminated and deleted.

[Anonymous No.]

Kys

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>>51155619
Hoping for Gura's graduation, I don't even hate her and wish her the best but God damn do I hate chumbuds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
Time for this retarded board to once again spread rrats about chuubas graduating and be wrong like every other time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
Hopefully we'll get some good news like you roping before a single holo graduates

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>>51156001
He said Holo EN not Hololive. They can rot

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
Daily reminder:
Saying bad things about hololive and holomems will give you a bad karma.
They're protected by higher power.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156395
Hopefully you and he can rot together, faggots that you are

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156412
EN are not hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156802
Incorrect. Now, go back
>>>/jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156802
They are.
Unfortunaly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156802
Any denial to this chart is copium.

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>>51156828
/jp/ is full of EN shilling so no I'm not going there.

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>>51155619
Hoping for Tempus disbandment

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156802
Remember what nijiniggers was saying about nijien 3d concert?
God, remember.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156847
It clearly states that hololive and hololive English are not the same thing.
The greatest irony of you posting this is that you probably exclusively hate homo EN but not the original.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156877
No I think you're just blind anon. You missed the big ass hololive sign just above the other three branches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156849
Then you should convince them of otherwise. However, that does still suggest that EN are a part of Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156927
Then what is the smaller "hololive" to the side? Something that doesn't exist?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156959
HololiveJP

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>>51156966
It doesn't say JP anywhere. It only says hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
>wishing for holos not renewing contract
Why are nijisis like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156991
Oh I'm sorry. I thought I was dealing with someone who had common sense. Carry on.

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>>51157014
It’s not a common sense issue. He’s being flippant.

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>>51157014
You point to this chart as proof that EN is hololive but then immediately claim that there's "JP" on there, when there isn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
Sadly I doubt that Mori will graduate

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156995
Not holos, Holo ENs.
Learn to read anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157097
Doesn't matter really, i just want more graduations so the english side can die and stop tarnishing the entire company.

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>>51157047
How am I flippant? Do you even know what that word means?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157130
>a nobody on the Somalian arms factory thinks he knows what's best for the company

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157130
EN is what make the company rise to relevance. Hardly anybody would give a shit about hololive if EN was no more.

[Anonymous No.]

The only ones I want to graduate are Bae and Kronii.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
Hope you graduate from life, anon. One less basement dweller.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157195
this

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>>51157159

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>>51157159
HoloEN is Hololive in english, which is basically the language that connects the world.
For all intents and purposes HoloEN is really Hololive Worldwide.
In theory it should be the biggest branch, have the greatest success, get supported well and pushed to international relevance. That's what would make sense, the most logical thing.
But instead HoloEN girls are lazy, they don't really care about Hololive that much. They're less interesting or dedicated.
The whole branch barely gets any support at all and given how it operates it can be assumed the management does almost nothing.
2 years and still no GEN3 is just the biggest indicative of the state of the branch.
When it debuted its metrics were quite similar to HoloJP but they have declined hard.
So it's true that HoloEN is better known globally, but it's not more successful than JP.
If anything EN is the company's greatest failure. But it's not the failure to make profit or hold some numbers, it's Cover's failure to capitalize on the market's potential and have some actual growth, it's their failure to reach its potential in every way possible. As entertainment, as mass media, in profits, in relevance.
It's just wild that despite the language barrier and still being 100% aimed at Japan some of the JP girls are still more internationally relevant than EN.
Whenever Marine or Suisei or Pekora does something it's talked about more than anything EN is doing these days.

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>>51157195
Keep their models though and give them to more deserving people. Same with Mori honestly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157578
Keep crying

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157578
That has never worked and it will never work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157195
Getting rid of this triangle would improve Holo EN's image.
Not by much though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156802
Based and truthpilled

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>>51157632
>Ah yes, the only actual idol of the bunch, let's get rid of her.

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>>51157530
>When it debuted its metrics were quite similar to HoloJP but they have declined hard.
When they debuted they absolutely fucking destroyed JP. Gura shot to a million and beyond. Girls got regularly 15-20k viewers for streams and 50k+ for special events and streams. JP didn't even come close to those kinds of numbers, not even Pekora the numbers rabbit. The fact they've fallen so far is damning.

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>>51157632
Mori redeemed herself with her store because it basically BTFO's cover and anycolor.
Their approach towards international merch has been shameful and incompetent.
Ame has moments of artistic greatness.

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>>51157613
It was never tried on someone people hated though. Kizuna Ai was beloved, that's why it didn't work. I'm sure people would rejoice if Kronii or Mori's model went to a girl who actually liked Hololive and didn't spite everyone to be a contrarian.

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>>51157530
The fall isn't the girl's fault, it's all management and the fact that they still don't have gen 3 which is most likely going to be the most popular hololive gen by far.

[Anonymous No.]

EN cucks eternally seething

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157679
Retard

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>>51155619
Please graduate the homostars
It's the only way to save EN

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157755
If they graduate Homostars Gura will start streaming again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157709
Holy fucking delusion. No one likes watching boring whores only in it for money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157745
Youre a bigger retard for wishing graduation on someone with a multi-year contract with a label. It's never happening in the immediate future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157755
not just the men, but the whores too

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157794
>contract
There is only a year left and if they wanted to end it they could. Mori is too stupid to do anything about it.

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>>51157709
It's both. If the girls had actual passion the lack of management would not stop them from streaming more and putting more into it.
In fact that's how their first year went, they did a lot of cool stuff all on their own. But they sadly burned out.
Could a better management have led to a different outcome? Probably. Maybe with better emotional support they wouldn't have gotten tired of things. But that's still a hypothetical. The fact is that the girls are not doing their best anymore and some of that is on them.

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>>51157805
But anon, that's all of EN

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>>51157850
Anon? She literally has plans slated for next year already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157755
So it's the mens fault for existing that the girls want to suck their cocks?
Why wasn't this a problem for JP who are allegedly the bigger whores?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157781
It's true, graduating the homos will return everything to the good times
Gura will stream regularly again
Ame will feel passionate and creative again
Kiara will organize myth collabs again
Kronii will be the prime gachikoi chuuba again
Mumei will get over her cough
EN3 will debut and revitalize the branch

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157876
So? Her plans don't mean shit to her label.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157906
>So it's the mens fault for existing that the girls want to suck their cocks?
Yes all the problems started with them being around and all problems will be solved with them gone

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157850
She got the contract early 2022, you are delusional if you think the contract is up.

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>>51157964
Now explain why it was never a problem for JP.

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>>51155619
We've been telling you for months that Kiara said there would be some sad news in July.
A lot of us have seen it coming but threadreaders never watch streams so they post about it like it's new information. Sad!

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>>51157910
>Gura will stream regurlarly again
Correct.
>Ame will feel passionate and creative again
Incorrect, her confidence will go down the gutter without her sex discord talks with Tempus.
>Kiara will organize more Myth collabs again
Nope, she only cares about Nijis.
>Kronii will be prime gachikoi chuuba again
That's not what we need, that's just bad content. As usual from Kronii.
>Mumei will get over her cough
Here's hoping.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157910
Why are males stopping them from doing any of these shits? 2 out of 5 girls mention haven't done a single male collab

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158016
Yes, Mori definitely is graduating! Then you woke up from your dream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155704
>>51155738
>>51156995
>B-b-b-b-b-but Niji!
Every time

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157973
It was.
>Towa male voices on stream hate arc
>Fubuki x Oga off collab drama
>Matsuri za hando
And many more

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157914
Too bad her label wants more from her.

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>>51158075
It wasn't. You're claiming that EVERYTHING WRONG is because of the homos, but JP is only rising in popularity.
Jesus christ, you're actually bringing up fucking Matsuri who nobody will defend while every single homocollabing EN will always have someone defend them and blame the homos.
Matsuri being unpopular and trash isn't because of the homos, it's because Matsuri is trash. The average ENcuck like yourself will never be able to admit this about any EN, it's always someone else's fault.

[Anonymous No.]

i'm sorry, the scheduled emotion for you this month is seethe, as they fill out a real world venue in the US

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158075
Also forgot to mention that you're bringing up roommate shit against Matsuri, but when it's EN that's "doxfagging" and doesn't matter because it wasn't on holo stream.

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>>51156412
You'd better fucking hope a higher power doesn't exist, because it's gonna punish you for making stupid ass posts like this. Proselytism is considered a sin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158287
Looks like the homos have done zero damage to the branch and don't deserve the hate since EN can fill out an entire event venue in the US.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158284
Okay sis, the /mans/ thread is that way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158287
that's next month anon

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>>51158452
Where did I say I like them? I'm just insulting you for liking and defending whores.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158470
contract renewal month is July
but i'm sure OP is already seething now

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158449
Most of it just to see Gura

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
I'm sure it's this year for sure, schizo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158537
Looks like her not streaming isn't a problem after all and everyone should stop talking about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158449
already at it i see
good, get ahead on your work

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158574
Literally what the fuck are you on about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
>tldr
This board will seethe for another year.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT HoloEN antis huff the biggest copium known to man

[Anonymous No.]

This year for sure!

[Anonymous No.]

Oh, so another year of (You) guys shitting your pants?

[Anonymous No.]

Another day, another seething 2view making a catalog thread about HoloEN. Wake me up when you get new material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
I really liked this collab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158016
>We've been telling you for months that Kiara said there would be some sad news in July.
Kiara always vagueposts about some random shit that never results in anything

[Anonymous No.]

TT4S

[Anonymous No.]

>my small corpo thread got archived for this
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

I hope they ask for Disney perms.

[Anonymous No.]

Another renewal, another bait thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
All I want is more Fallout 4 streams. New Vegas is boring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157718
You look lonely and bitter. Here I gift you a (You)

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
Ina's dress looks dumb compared to the rest. You're going to a fancy ball, not be an art piece.

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>>51155787
not gonna happen, unfortunately. cover will give her all the leeway she wants just to keep the 4m vtuber under them. plus, throwing away all the free money she gets for doing fuck all? come on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
What other Holo has sunglasses?

[Anonymous No.]

Somehow this is the least schizo bait thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
Ame's Ames are huge

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
What's the use of multiple ribbons on long sleeves?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
Gura's got really small hands wtf

[Anonymous No.]

>>51159531
Yeah perfect for my cock

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
This year for sure. I can feel it in my bones.

[Anonymous No.]

any day now

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158075
>Towa
Towa collabs with males more often than not and she is doing better than her schizo unicorn friendly genmate, get better material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156412
>>51156875
Thou shalt not put your Lord God to the test.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158047
This. That's just a skill issue on their part.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158043
who said it's Mori?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51160073
number numbers numbers

[Anonymous No.]

ITT: people once again blaming Tempus for everything without considering that maybe the problem is that EN content is just not that good, let's go in order:
>Kiara
Often streams long games that are awful viewing experiences, like Zelda, plus she actively sabotages herself with a god-awful chicken voice.
>Mori
Music is her whole selling point, always was and always will be. Other than that, she is generic streamer #314159 with occasional decent content like ChadCast.
>Ame
Her problem is that she is stuck being another generic streamer, she has shown before that she is capable of doing fresh things, but we can't have that in a Japanese company. Wouldn't be surprised if she graduates into some sort of management position, probably for another company.
>Ina
She has her "comfy streams", but that's about it. She never had to care about being successful in Hololive since she already has a much better paying job.
>Gura
Literally the face of a generic streamer, all her popularity comes from who she was before Hololive and she found herself in a company where there is nothing about her that someone else doesn't do much better.
>Irys
A vsinger that barely sings. Her content is decent, I guess, but nothing special.
>Kronii
Her call is to be a voice actress and she knows it. Her streams are, once again, nothing spectacular outside of her having good banter, probably why she works better with the boys and Mumei rather than with anyone else.
>Mumei
I suspect that she is heavily hold back by the company/management. The times when she go full unhinged are pretty fun, but the occasions are limited by the type of streams they are allowed to do in Hololive.
>Fauna
Her selling point, outside of GFE stuff, are her rants, but those are not going to attract new viewers, all they are going to see is another generic anime girl playing a streamer game/flavor of the month.
>Baelz
When she does collabs, she is pretty good, but otherwise she feels pretty boring, I don't know what else to say about her.
Honestly, the common issue here is that being in a big Japanese company limits you so much that you end up just being another generic streamer.
>inb4 muh Japanese talents
They aren't better, it's just that Japanese people are satisfied with less, just look at the anime scene, it's all fucking garbage and it's their fault
>inb4 TL;DR
I also haven't read anything that I wrote.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51161215
>They aren't better, it's just that Japanese people are satisfied with less
They are better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51161215
I swear I've read this exact post word for word before.

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>>51161656
they're really not, most are completely average streamers that go through the motions of playing the newest FoTM with passable commentary + have a live concert couple times a year
the actually original and creative content is incredibly spaced out, though it helps that the greater density of HoloJP talents makes those gaps less notable
also, the nip reaction content culture is even worse than the western one, if HoloJPs were translated into english directly, they'd be like those cringe tiktok morons overreacting to Garden of Banban

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>>51161656
to an EOP, yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
Hope no one in EN graduates until 20 years from now to spite you cunts

[Anonymous No.]

>>51161761
They really are better.
>the actually original and creative content is incredibly spaced out
As opposed to EN where it doesn't happen at all.
>the nip reaction content culture is even worse than the western one
Good thing they're not react "content" streamers then. Why even bring this up?
I would tell you to go back to Twitch, but I get the feeling that's where you are already and you're just here to shit on all of hololive because western indies are peak vtubing to you.

>>51161768
So, to you? But you're here shitting on them instead of claiming they're good like an EOP would.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51161909
>Good thing they're not react "content" streamers then.
they literally are, 90% of their content is overreacting to games the rest of the internet already overreacted to like 7 years ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>51161909
>But you're here shitting on them instead of claiming they're good like an EOP would.
never said I was shitting on them nor am I that anon but if you believe they're "all good" then you're the naive one

[Anonymous No.]

>>51161909
>>the actually original and creative content is incredibly spaced out
>As opposed to EN where it doesn't happen at all.

>mocap stream
:|
>mocap stream, Japan
:O

that's you

[Anonymous No.]

>>51161970
They're literally not, but ok. You can keep hating on them for your own reasons and I can keep hating on your EN indie for my reasons.

>>51162066
You are shitting on them though.
>you believe they're "all good"
I don't. There are clear shitters among them. The point is really that nobody in the supposed "real main branch" that is EN can match the best of JP who I'm now supposed to believe are worse than the average Twitch streamer because some ENfaggot said so.

>>51162078
Seeing how your bar for "creative" is having mocap tells me everything I need to know about you.

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>>51162190
>You are shitting on them though.
When? That EOP post was the only one I made idiot.
>The point is really that nobody in the supposed "real main branch" that is EN can match the best of JP who I'm now supposed to believe are worse than the average Twitch streamer because some ENfaggot said so.
The fact that you believe Japan is doing better than EN just because "they're better" even though their content is the same but Japanese proves how naive you really are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51162251
>their content is the same
Let's see the EN equivalents of Marine, Miko and Pekora then. Where are they?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
>Hoping for holos to be out of a job
Nijisisters are scum. I'd never wish for a chuuba to stop making bread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51161215
>Literally the face of a generic streamer, all her popularity comes from who she was before Hololive
The bait became too obvious here please try again

[Anonymous No.]

>>51162517
Why not? They have the easiest job in the world and are making a mockery of it.
I will never have any respect for youtubers and streamers, it's a job with zero benefit to society

[Anonymous No.]

>>51162517
I want to see people get consequences for their actions
Good content should be rewarded with success and bad content should end in failure in graduation
But that isn't the case in vtubing, Holomem get success for being part of Hololive even if all they do is shit on their own and everyone else's career

[Anonymous No.]

>>51162251
>>51162511
Oh, and Suisei. Who's the EN Suisei? Mori? LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
>Endless income for being cute
>It's time for one to bite the dust
Nobody, especially Gura, is going to quit.

[Anonymous No.]

LMAO, Marine, Peko, Miko and Suisei are content now. Thought they were talents. I am impressed how easy retards are exposing themself

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>>51164413
The claim was the their content is the same. Where are the people who provide equivalent content to that from Marine, Pekora, Miko and Suisei.
Your moronic ESL interpretation doesn't change the essence of the argument.
Keep shitting on real hololive members though, it makes you ENfags look REALLY good and it's exactly what I want from you.

[Anonymous No.]

Gura, Ina, and Ame are mass graduating.
Myth will be renaimed to Takamori.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51162833
NTA, but Suisei is an amazing singer and a generic streamer, both things can be true. She is good at Tetris, but outside of that her non-music related content is just there.

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>>51165145
>her non-music related content is just there.
You say that like she's Roboco when not doing music and tetris, but that's just not true.

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>>51155619
Gura leaves EN finally dead thanks to mori and gang
nature heals itself and JP finally got the brains to add subs after their streams so people can easily watch and understand them and not deal with EN garbage.
every sane people like anime not for the dubs but for the subs.

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>>51161215
Seems you've come to the realisation that streaming is a bottom of the barrel medium that's best served as passive entertainment.

[Anonymous No.]

I just shit my pants

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>>51162570
Thinking that Gura would be popular without her PL is delusional, she has nothing over her genmates, let alone Hololive as a whole.
Her model is the worst in EN.
She doesn't have the music career Mori has.
She doesn't have the artistic talent of Ina.
She doesn't have the technical know-how of Ame.
She doesn't have the language proficiency, nor the connections Kiara has.
She isn't a particularly good gamer.
She is popular for having been a person she doesn't want to be anymore, she knows it and that's why she doesn't stream. She tried to escape her past and failed.

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>>51165751
>She doesn't have the music career Mori has.
deadbeat, at least be honest
Gura she's 100x a better singer in everyway then Mori, i still listen to her old karaoke

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
Yeah, like OP graduating from being a retard.

Got better hopes wishing some of JP gen 2 leaving than any from EN

[Anonymous No.]

>>51165386
I always knew that, it's about time people stop pretending that Hololive content was god tier before tempus and it has since gone to shit, or that JP is better. It always was mid at most.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51166331
JP is better though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158415
>>51160103
I merely remind you retards of what happened when antis make fun of hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51165970
I don't care about Mori, but it's a fact that she has a career in music while Gura has nothing of the sort. Could she have one also? Maybe, it's in her power to show us what she is capable of.
> i still listen to her old karaoke
"Old" being key here, she may be the best singer in the world, but as long as she doesn't actually sing what good does that do for her? You talk like those parents whose child "could do anything if they just applied themselves", but never do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51166777
All of this goes for JP being more successful than EN on average as well, but then it's "just that Japanese people are satisfied with less", isn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51165970
if doesn't matter if she's a better singer if she does absolutely nothing with it
she has one song, ONE, and she seems to have no intention to release another

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
I'll keep who I'd miss the least in the event of graduation a secret since my oshi's fanbase and hers are on good terms right now.
...oh, who am I kidding, hardly anyone in these threads is a legitimate fan of anyone, you're all here to shitpost at other shitposters and get a hit of dopamine from (You)s. Still not saying who, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51166777
her merch sells out,
moris blueray, plz buy
LMAO sure sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>51166331
I think JPs (most of them) come across as far more invested in what they're doing than the ENs. Anons are only blaming it on tempus because they hate them regardless, Myth's debut success was a result of circumstance and it's been leveling out ever since.

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>>51167130
>hardly anyone in these threads is a legitimate fan of anyone
Shitposters have an oshi, don't be disingenuous. Her name is the /vt/ catalog. She's the nicest girl or rather a collection of feminine minds there is, and she always talks with her fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51167313
Okay fair enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51167216
Mori already confirmed the blu ray sold well and even hinted at a second solo live
Gura on the other hand, maybe you'll get movie Juliy

[Anonymous No.]

>>51167364
A secong live was going to happen anyway, it would just be more extravagant if she sold more blu-rays.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51167706
kek so she's the side show,
i still remember her rap shit team was some crazy nuts thing, the universe just keeps giving
LMFAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>51166900
JP has the advantage of being, well, Japanese. Japan is where vtubers are most popular, and Japanese will mostly only watch Japanese talents. Meanwhile the English speaking scene has a lot more competition, plus the fact that anime still has a sort of stigma in the west.
I believe that if Pekora, the best streamer in Hololive I would say, began streaming in English she would actually lose viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51167791
stop lying, anime is fking huge in the west and everywhere
miku the truly biggest vocaloid is huge everywhere,

[Anonymous No.]

>>51161909
The actual creative and original content is extremely rare. Most of the things the JP side does has already been done by somebody else.
The EN side being shit doesn't automatically mean the JP side is good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51167916
If you stopped living on this board and looked anywhere else you would notice that's not the case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
God I wish

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156412
I remember when vshojo did the same thing with "we the only corpo that doesn't have graduation/resignation" and boom 2 days later 3 leave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51167788
It doesn't matter how terrible her music is, the concert sold out almost instantly. Blu-rays sales are just extra revenue and show that they can spend a bit more on the next concert and make it back.

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>>51167791
>Meanwhile the English speaking scene has a lot more competition
This just goes to show who the real EOP here is. The Japanese scene has a ton of competition, but you think it's only EN side that has competition because that's all you know about.
>I believe that if Pekora, the best streamer in Hololive I would say, began streaming in English she would actually lose viewers.
Wow I can't believe that if someone suddenly started delivering content that their original audience can hardly consume anymore would lose that audience.
>>51168063
>If you stopped living on this board and looked anywhere else
It's funny how you're saying that after outing yourself as someone that seems to live on this board.

>>51167935
>The EN side being shit doesn't automatically mean the JP side is good.
But it does. Also the argument here was that EN is the same as JP when it isn't. You are now moving goalposts from "not better" to "not good".

[Anonymous No.]

>>51165970
mori has an actual music career compared to gura. it doesnt matter if she's the "better singer" if she doesn't sing or produce songs. the lazy shark has one song in almost 3 years. mori shat like 40 songs last year, had a concert, and apparently there's another one coming. that, on top of her almost monthly covers and multiple EPs and albums.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51165751
Jesus Gura did fuck all in her time in Hololive. To think this bitch has 4m subs is laughable. Youtube-kun really pushed her to everyones throat, huh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
So what exactly is the date that all the contracts are up anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>Gura has been graduated from streamer
Her new contract is only for stage performance and as guest for event.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51159025
>EN
>getting perms for anything
Rumao. They lose more perms than they actually get. If there's one thing NijiEN did right, it's letting the talents ask for perms themselves. They still have issues, but at least they don't have to wait for management to remember they exist before they're allowed to play some random indie kusoge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51168487
>The Japanese scene has a ton of competition
If you really believe the amount of Japanese streamers is even remotely comparable to the amount of English speaking ones I think we found the root of the issue.
>Wow I can't believe that if someone suddenly started delivering content that their original audience can hardly consume anymore would lose that audience.
I don't know if this is a pathetic attempt at deflection or if you are genuinely retarded, but seeing the way you reason I'm going with the latter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
Did anyone call me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51170216
Why are you suddenly talking about streamers instead of vtubers? It doesn't matter how many English speaking streamers there are when almost all of them are fucking irrelevant.
Japanese vtuber scene has several relevant vtuber companies while none on the EN scene measure up to hololive.
>deflection
I don't think you know what that word means. You just saw it as a general response to dismiss anyone on this board and think it's all you have to say to end an argument in a "win".

[Anonymous No.]

>>51169769
>So what exactly is the date that all the contracts are up anyway?
We don't know their contracts but we know Sana graduated after not having her first year contract renewed and she left on July 31 so we can safely assume that's the expiration date
Going by how normal businesses do their contract renewals the decision to renew or not would be made about 3 month ahead of expiration, so internally they would've made the call in late April
Any drop-offs in viewership that happened after April likely won't matter for this year's contract renewal period

[Anonymous No.]

>>51170468
Because, like it or not, vtubers compete with regular streamers for viewers, they don't live in a bubble.
You tried to link Pekora eventual loss of popularity in case she streamed in English to a shift in audience when my point was that she would be just a slightly above average streamer in the English world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51167130
I can safely say i wouldn't miss your pic related chuuba

[Anonymous No.]

>>51170716
>vtubers compete with regular streamers for viewers
But somehow not in Japan? What a bizarre argument.
>my point was that
Your point was garbage because you can't just have someone switch the language they're using.
You must believe that Gura is actually god tier streamer compared to all of JP because in your eyes every JP member would just be average if they spoke English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51160073
uhh meds? towa does not do better then kanata, what are you smoking?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51169631
To be fair, they are the opposite ends of the extreme, a workaholic and a lazy bum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155704
fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158028
You speak as if Kiara collabs with Niji every week when this year it was only like 2 or 3

[Anonymous No.]

I just want Gura to graduate so /vt/ will stop making threads of her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51159207
Ayame was a horrible influence. Now all of JP gen 2 except for subaru are doing it and Gura caught on. This will hurt cover in the long run if more people pick up on this tactic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51179105
gen 2 has been in hololive for almost five years. not everybody can and wants to stream forever. i think it's okay when the old guard streams less, not ayame paycheck tier, just less.
EN is unfortunate because they've been fucked over by cover with "gen 3" and gura just gave up. i assume because she didn't want to tough it out, is burned out and feels restricted by perm shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156802
You will never be Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>51169769
It likely was during the first half of the year

[Anonymous No.]

>>51180836
When did I say was or even wanted to be Japanese, ironic weeb?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158016
hacchama is leaving 100% guaranteed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51181107
Retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>51181159
Everyone close to kson is joining vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>51181241
Based retardGOD

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158057
kys Nijinigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>51180414
But this is the problem. How many more people will it take before cover takes action. More people over time will adopt the Ayame strat and the ones who do work hard will seethe. Subaru yelled at Choco recently right? To me it's a countdown to disaster and the clock is ticking.

[Anonymous No.]

Everyone graduates except Mori just to spite the haters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
EN MASS GRADUATION

[Anonymous No.]

>>51160073
Because western fans saved her

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
Based

Hope Gura's graduation

[Anonymous No.]

>>51192890
Nope. Would YOU graduate if you can still make fucktons of money by just existing and not having to stream at all? it's literally free money. Cover is ok with it because they still use her image and sell merch with her character on it, she doesn't have to do shit. She became a mascot because of her ghosting and it actually worked out better for her because now she doesn't have to do anything. No fucking way she's quitting that sweet gig to go indie or to go back to a shitty 9-5 job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51170361
Based Watamage, make their buttholes bleed for this heretical thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51192890
She hasn't already?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
>Hopefully some good news for once like graduations.
the least obvious nijinigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155704

[Anonymous No.]

> Gura
Money's too good to quit but I think it's pretty clear she doesn't want to stream either. If they force her to stream more through contractual obligations on a refreshed contract, I wouldn't be surprised if she leaves and tries to get a signing bonus with VShojo or somebody else with low standards. Probably the biggest "flight risk" in all of HoloEN.

> Ame
Hard to read. I get the vibe that she might secretly be rich (or at least upper middle class in a very comfortable way) so she maybe doesn't actually need the money. Probably the biggest question mark in the branch for me. I think she likes streaming but I don't know if she's able to thrive in the way she wants to under Hololive.

> Ina
I think she wants to be a full-time artist but she's not making enough money to be a full-time artist. I think she would quit if she could but she can't, so she won't.

> Kiara
Probably a lifer. If they keep re-upping her contract she'll keep taking it. I suspect Cover won't fuck her over either because of the language fluency, she can bridge the branches.

> Mori
Could go either way. Mori chases the bag. I think she likes being a streamer so that's not an issue. Her music career is also, seemingly, tied to Hololive so that's a major tie she probably won't break. That said: If someone else offers her a huge bag, she'd drop Hololive in a heartbeat.

> IRYS
I could see her being a lifer too, like Kiara, and also like Kiara, Cover probably wants her for the bilingual skills.

> Kronii
Would drop streaming without hesitation if she could "make it" as a voice actress. Absolutely does not like streaming, at this point, it's pretty obvious.

> Fauna
I don't know if she's a "lifer" like Kiara or IRYS but I see her as someone who takes pride in a job well done, and isn't going to half-ass anything. I think she likes streaming but even if there's days she doesn't want to stream, she's not going to wear it on her sleeve.

> Mumei
Next biggest question mark after Ame. Hard to read. I think she maybe likes streaming less than Ame but maybe needs the money more.

> Baelz
Like Fauna I think she takes pride in doing a good job and isn't going to half-ass it. I think she does like streaming though, and I think even if she has other dreams (voice acting, especially, like Kronii) she's not going to abandon Hololive unless she gets some insane offers otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51196717
I agree with most of your reads but in my opinion Ame is one of the highest flight risks maybe even on par with Gura
She seems really burnt out on streaming and with her audience dying off there's less money tying her down

[Anonymous No.]

>>51197054
>Ame is one of the highest flight risks
lol tell me you haven't watched Ame without telling me you haven't watched Ame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158057
>R-r-r-r-rent free!
Everytime

[Anonymous No.]

>>51197194
I haven't watched Ame in months
Just like the rest of her former audience

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156877
What mental illness gymnastics is this? It under the same branch, a derivative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51197457
Mental illness is prevelant in SEA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51170361
Let's pray her Mamudoon hits many Niji organs.
Let Luxiem's flesh rot and melt!

[Anonymous No.]

>>51158028
Gura hates streaming and it has nothing to do Tempus. She just straight-up hates half her fanbase and is avoiding them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51161215
The JP girls are better, the majority of them have actual experience in the JP entertainment industry; whether as: singers, stage actors, voice actors or pro gamers.

There's a reason EN is asking for chuubas with acting and/or stand-up comedy experience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51179105
She was like this before she was Gura. The fact she managed a sustained effort for about a year and a half is what's so impressive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51196717
Cover will try their best to keep Gura. Giving her the Ayame deal will still make them money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51202086
Despite all that alleged experience they're still only as good as the average EN and would never make it in the Engllsh speaking market.
If Gura spoke Japanese she would take over the scene entirely. She is already as popular as Pekora over there without speaking any real Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51197054
Ame is a lifer like Kiara and maybe Fauna. She's burnt out, but she isn't going anywhere. HoloEN was in part her idea to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51202786
Anon, the top 5 girls are already more popular than almost every female EN streamer out there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51157674
That's what happens when you hire a bunch of loser, burn out, woke, narcissists

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
I wouldn't mind if all of en 1 graduated. It seems like they would all be genuinely happier not working at Holo anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156959
>wtf is the new york inside new york? Something that doesn't exist??
t. this dumbass anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51203116
They are only popular in Japan and SEA who are content with lower quality streams. Pekora and Marine would be 3views if they spoke English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51205069
So EN is in fact not hololive then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51210661
Just like Buffalo is not in New York, right anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155704
>Coco
>Rushia
>Aloe
>Sana
Tell me again how holos never leave?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156412
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>51210938
If I want to go to New York, New York, I don't go to Buffalo, New York and pretend like I have arrived at my intended destination.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51211413
You're almost there anon. You just need a keyword replacement. I believe in you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51211770
EN are not hololive no matter how much you try.

[Anonymous No.]

Everyone renews once again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51211245
Jesus wouldn't hold a whore in his arms

[Anonymous No.]

>>51213407
She is purer than any JP

[Anonymous No.]

There are more wasted spots in HoloJP than HoloEN, EN having just 10 members makes it look more significant. They just need EN3 soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>51213407
1. She isn't a whore.
2. Jesus loves as all equally, including you anon. There's still time for you to repent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51213617
Why do they need EN3? The current members are perfect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51213407
Jesus made sure he was crucified with two random criminals to prove a point that who you are doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51164749
will it be a real shipping or will one ghost the other again

[Anonymous No.]

>>51213581
Retardation struck this anon hardcore

[Anonymous No.]

>>51213262
Glad to see you reverted to a non-argument after backing yourself up into an unwinnable corner and resorting to shibboleths

[Anonymous No.]

>>51214891
You have not once proven how I'm wrong. EN is not the original hololove and never will be. Buffalo is not New York City.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51159158
go away zoom zoom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51214692
How so? Ame is better than JPs

[Anonymous No.]

I'm holding out hope that IRyS' new contract dissolves Project Hope and makes her a normal Hololive member
I think her last original song being 7 months ago and her last 2 music releases being covers points to that already being the case unofficially

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155619
On a serious note, why would they graduate? Why waste the opportunity to make money? It's not like they can make as much as what they earn now if they leave
With the exception Ina

[Anonymous No.]

>>51215580
Youre backpedalling now. Or youre any idiot who can't understand basic logic and pattern matching. There's no 'Hololive Originals' or 'Hololive JP' on this organizational chart >>51156847
I think you said it best here >>51156991

[Anonymous No.]

>>51218432
but what would that achieve exactly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51218972
Ask how getting folded into Hololive worked out for Suisei and Azki

[Anonymous No.]

>>51178833
/vt/ still makes threads on Sana and Gura is 100x bigger then she ever was

If she graduated it would be such big news that even people who don't watch Vtubers would take notice, just like with Coco.

No no lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>51218972
1. She wouldn't be contractually obligated to fuck up her throat again
2. She would have creative control over any songs she decided to fund herself, instead of having to sing whatever generic J-Pop with ESL lyrics the retards in charge of Project Hope cook up

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155704
OOOOOOOOOOOOF

>>51210992
4 hmm very nice now let's see Niji's card

[Anonymous No.]

>>51213407
>Jesus wouldn't hold a whore in his arms
Jesus absolutely would and did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51218656
Where am I backpedaling? There is hololive, hololive (the original hololive) and holive English, hololive.
hololive English is not hololive. If anything you're the one backpedaling here from your pathetic burger city analogy which completely backfired on you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51213407
I don't watch Ame at all so I have no opinion on her, but your statement have been proven wrong in Luke 7:36-50 and you need to do your bible reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>51220400
Do you get into similar conniptions if someone says that Pixar is Disney or is it just when waifus are involved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51213407
No

he wouldn't hold YOU in his arms

[Anonymous No.]

>>51220881
They are objectively different. Are you saying they're not? Another dumbfuck argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51156802
Based and correct.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51216170
Bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>51220960
You misunderstand. I was primarily asking about what triggers your hysteria over common phrases like X is Y meaning something how X and Y are organizationally related. I was assuming you have enough wits about you to know that X is not literally Y.

[Anonymous No.]

Why would you graduate when you can take weeks, if not months off at a time...come back and get showered in cash and then fuck off again.
Rinse and repeat ad nauseam.
There is no reason or incentive to throw that away. And the girls know that. You will get little to no graduations until Cover starts forcing their hand with them.
And yes, it will happen eventually

[Anonymous No.]

>>51221735
So now you're moving the goalposts. EN is not hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51222254
You should also say that hololive is not hololive, and hololive is hololive, if you want to be fully consistent with the org chart and your logic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51222425
I never said it wasn't. There is the original hololive which is not the hololive that hololive English is a part of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51222254
You're an actual retard.
Like, seriously, go get checked out. You might need a helmet from all the times your head has smashed into the keyboard - forming these dumb as hell retorts you think you have.
EN is Hololive. ID is Hololive.
These are not opinions, it is literal fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51222512
They are not hololive and never will be.

[Anonymous No.]

When will you guys stop arguing with an obvious troll that gets an erection from your anger? I belive you are better than this

[Anonymous No.]

>>51223061
This is /vt/ it never gets better than this

[Anonymous No.]

>>51222762

[Anonymous No.]

EN and ID are not only hololive but they are better than JP

[Anonymous No.]

>>51223227
Nah they have the same content but in different languages. I wouldn't say they're better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51223219
Yeah that's exactly how it feels like talking to a stubborn ENfag.

[Anonymous No.]

None of them. Gura will continue coasting by doing bare min. of her contract with some voice overs here and there. No major projects that she's personally directed will ever actually be released but chumbuds will cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>51223306
NTA but it applies to both sides. You're both talking to a brick wall in the middle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51223259
I wasn't aware majority of JP did homo collabs and that their fans blame their awful performance on those collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51223373
Not at all. I fully aware of the bullshit the ENfags are trying to pull but it doesn't work because every other moment I see them cry about how management is sabotaging EN which is totally hololive while JP which is also that same hololive is actually benefitting from that sabotage.

[Anonymous No.]

Mori Calliope is a fucking joke lmao her whole channel is a kill me beg to me (the reason she's famous)

They gave her all that shit just to annoy me, it's a funny sex thing to have a "hate guy" and a successful girl but I'm actually a trans girl. It's besides the point. I'm so dry and deprived now (ooh drink it in, this is the high culture they David at HoloLive like I'm going to savor Melissa's dead body) and she has at least 300k in f you money.

Why does 4chan support this
Why is Twitter and YouTube still not outing her

They don't care. You don't care. I don't care.

Oh oops! Shit. I didn't realize me being a murderous psychopath put me at risk of being a victim of the exact same thing.

This is her intention because it's a proof of "something" to her but honestly I don't care I'm just going to ruin your shill parade for a second because most sane people hate this overprivileged, spoiled brat

[Anonymous No.]

>>51223584
savor*

[Anonymous No.]

>>51223557
nah, both of you fags need to shut up already

[Anonymous No.]

>>51223470
>Majority of JP
You do know that only 3 of the 10 girls in EN do consistent homocollabs right? In the same vein there's only 5 of the 28 girls in JP that do homocollabs even if they aren't as consistent as Mori and Kronii.

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah I'm an immature crybaby who didn't get my fucking needs met and now I'm gonna snap boo hoo

[Anonymous No.]

Everyone here is old and cultured now and I'm mature but I don't have the life that justifies LARPing as an elegant classy adult.

I got used as her LOOK AT THIS FAGGOT to make her cucky business suits shit themselves with dollar sign eyes over how gay and snobbish it is

I'm sorry, she ruined me life. It doesn't get better even if you're 29 years old and better at pretending

My world is truly genuinely done because of this HAJAJAJAJAJAH OWNEDDDDD OMFG idea that Holo's dumbfuck CEO would thought be a good longterm joy strategy for Mel

[Anonymous No.]

>>51223638
>consistent
Now how many have done them in any capacity?
You're also not addressing the part about how everything is the homocollabs fault.
Even Gura not streaming is somehow because of homos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51213407
This is funny because you are so incredibly wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51223914
>Blaming the homocollabs because the shark is pulling an Ayame
Unironically skill issue since that's not a problem for Kiara, Mumei, Fauna and IRyS. The rest of HoloJP that don't homocollab have been getting by just fine on their own without even a hint of homo mention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51202086
>singers
In all of Hololive, you have two (2) arguably professional singers, Suisei and Azki, three if you squint and add Sora, and one (1) good amateur, Towa. The rest is average at best.
>stage actors
No such thing exists in Hololive
>voice actors
The only professional voice actor is not even in JP. Occasionally voicing a character in a shitty gacha game doesn't make you a voice actor.
>pro gamers
There is one (1) pro gamer in the entirety of JP and she refuses to play the games she was a pro in. Boing good at a game isn't the same as being a professional.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51224130
He doesnt know...

[Anonymous No.]

>>51220070
Use the updated version
>this one is also outdated
Nobody can keep up with nijisanji graduations...

[Anonymous No.]

>>51224287
>two (2) arguably professional singers
>Leaves out the one who has an actual music contract
Even if we ignore that, are you really trying to say of all members, Sora and Towa are better than most others? Really?
Its like you aren't even trying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51224684
Sorry, I meant JP.
I wouldn't say Sora is better, but after Suisei and Azki she is the one closest at having some sort of music career. Towa is absolutely better than the other Holo, it's not even close.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51225008
Well, you did say all of Hololive, so one would assume you meant all of it. But fine, if we are only counting JP in this instance, putting Sora on there is fine. I still dont get the hype for Towa though, even if I do enjoy her singing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51213407
his mother was literally a whore. got pregnant at 14 and made shit up that snowballed into a major religion. his bitch, mary magdalene was also a whore. jesus loves whores, specially your mother, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51225135
Yeah, that was my bad, I was replying to someone who was talking about JP in specific and forgot to specify it myself. The Towa "hype" is because of two things: on one hand she is a pretty good singer, she probably could go pro if she tried imho; on the other hand, most other Holomem are just not that good at singing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51155704
kek fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

>>51224130
I'm not the one blaming them, the average EN fan I see on this board is.
Despite delivering what I'm being told is the exact same content, nobody in EN is as popular as the best of JP.
The only explanations I've seen for this are:
1. It's the homos/management's fault one way or another and if they were gone everything would be like 2020 again.
2. JP fans are brain dead retards that are "satisfied with less" and actually JP holos would be struggling to reach 1k viewers if they competed in the battlefield of Titans known as the English streamer scene.

[Anonymous No.]

all of them get paid even if they don't stream, this is not nijisanji you fucking retard, they don't need to work themselves to death to get 1%, they are taken care of

[Anonymous No.]

>>51226958
>1. It's the homos fault one way or another and if they were gone everything would be like 2021 again.
Objectively true

[Anonymous No.]

>>51220865
So Jesus defends whores?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51227087
So the period where almost everyone is getting less and less motivated and you all are blaming management for not airdropping a 3D studio into the US?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51224684
>actual music contract
Sora has one and she is better technically speaking, Not just Holojp or Hololive even