/warkop/ - Warung Kopi

[Anonymous No.]

Idol's Stigma Edition

>What is /warkop/ about?
A place to chill and talk in-depth about behind the scenes of Indonesian VTubers in general. We also talk about the Indonesian VTuber market, whether it be rumors, numbers, demographics, auditions, debuts, graduations, etc.

>Indonesian Vtuber Schedules
https://schedule.nasgorest.my.id

>SEA Vtuber Database
https://vtuber.asia

Previous thread: >>50857062

[Anonymous No.]

Pertamax

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>>51017863
breadbaker /here/, and I want to start this thread that question in OP
>Do chuubas must be idols?
Personally idk how ID came up with this stigma like ok we know there's holofication going on for ID smol corpos, but it doesn't mean that they're also idolfy themselves, not when holo themselves admitting that they're not so much of idols themselves, so imo yes everyone tries to be hololites rn but to be hololites doesn't mean they're going to be idols, and we IDs must ask ourselves now, do every single ID corpo must copy holoID when holoID are copycats themselves?

Anyways that discussion on OP gonna happen this Sunday at 7pm

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>>51018427 <-me
>Anyways that discussion on OP gonna happen this Sunday at 7pm
https://twitter.com/StudiSuara/status/1666397430806614016
PON me forgor the link as always

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>>51018427
Unicorn came from idol culture, and considering how rampant it is, I don't think it's just ID that came up with the stigma, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51018427

"Idol" in term what? Purity? Talent?

There's some talent who keep it her purity/seisoness (be polite, no dirty jokes, & never collab with man) but actually they're lack of idol talent (bad at singing, dancing, or more about idol perform stuff)...

There's also some talent who has great talent (singing, dancing, and any idol perform stuff), but sometimes collab with homos & don't want to be labeled as 'seiso'

There's also a talent who have both. But pretty rare.

[Anonymous No.]

dei dei dei dei dei dei dei dei dei

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEM-iWw4zrQ

drama baiter snail need correction in the ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>51017863
>not kobo mobil entod edition
why?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>51020500
>dei dei dei dei dei dei dei dei dei
sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex

[Anonymous No.]

>>51018427
"Come watch me while I knock down this strawman"

[Anonymous No.]

Suddenly she's a numberfag again. What motivates her, bros?

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>>51021799
She wants d

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>>51018185
yang penting pejwan aja gan

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>>51019728
True, I'm just curious do ID know wtf they stigmatized tho?
>>51020315
That's why I thought those that use idol as term in ID just wanna indirectly tell them "just do it like holo bruh" without knowing whether you can call holoID idols or not

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>>51018427
> emang vtuber harus jadi idol?
no, its up to you to be whatever you want

> idol harus bisa nyanyi?
absolutely, what the hell do you think "indonesian idol" is? lomba beyblade?

> vtuber harus bisa nyanyi?
not really, heck even in holo sometimes they overated their own talent, coach in the op pict always try to judge their real ability and surprisingly, they are not that good as those youtuber reaction would say

Me, as unbiased fans would say
yeah the top dog singers sucks, only gura the greates muehehehe oh nyooo
joking

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https://youtu.be/k7M0ab8zUQ4
Zoey ASMR

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>>51023354
>absolutely, what the hell do you think "indonesian idol" is? lomba beyblade?
are you saying this guy can sing??

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZa3LcNPxaU
Aneki donothon

[Anonymous No.]

i want to eat chloe ass, burried my face on it

[Anonymous No.]

prediction?
https://twitter.com/kobokanaeru/status/1666875342873833473

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>>51024220
.....
what i mean is "Indonesian idol" in RCTI dude
that arca could probably sing as well if we believe in him

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>>51024990
since its not on youtube, easy 5k.
if she can stream that on youtube, easy 10k+drama.

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>>51024220
Why do you think he have that's big mouth for

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>>51019728
>Unicorn came from idol culture
The so called "unicorns" have existed in any form of media.The mainstream media consider any type of relationship that involves a famous person a scandal. Even your family has unicorns, there is a reason why fathers (or any male family member) not allowing their daughters to be in a relationship is a really common trope. Yep, kobokeks are actually the biggest unicorns of them all.

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>>51021799
no taka
no zea
no one to carry, finaly freedom

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https://twitter.com/Hana_Macchia/status/1667059730542628865
wdsmbt

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>>51025765
>The mainstream media consider any type of relationship that involves a famous person a scandal
only those that sing or play in a movies. in other words, you know, idols
you don't see media reporting a scandals about the president actually having a wife all this time
or that one quantum science expert actually having a wife

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https://youtu.be/U0itdSHPlfI
https://twitter.com/jaretghosty/status/1667068131226038273
>Jaret got HP endorsement
Not the one I would expect to get short endorsement since our top performer on shorts is Akemi but still, IDbros, we're inclining!

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>>51026284
Rather than idols, I feel like it's more accurate to say public figures. And yes, if a president gets married in the middle of their presidential term, people will consider it a scandal.

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>>51026169
she's gonna graduate

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QcfOqM5mb8
Nara into the hoyoverse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8whUnUwo8oA
Decide the best gift Kyura can send now!

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>>51026609
because Jaret's audience demography fits more to the market, duh

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>>51025765
>>51026284
>>51026774

to be fair it's depent how much your spent your time for them, the more you spent your time for them, the more you will become unicorns/gachikoi.

K-pop & japanese idol group? Yeah of course they're many unicorns too.

But vtuber format (especially who using "idol" label) are the combination between streaming + idol...

You know right even thought k-pop & j-pop idol group talents rarely provide personal streaming, they're still has unicorn.

Apalagi, vtuber... who provide daily streaming service.

Just imagine your spent your life 1-3 hours/day or even more, up to date their news or any related to vtubers, and additional buy their another products too.

Even some couple still can't catch up the time for talk/meet each other in a day/a week, vtuber fans and their oshi's spent their time together 1-3 hours or even more in almost everydays.

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>>51026609
>Akemi
>wOW PPOGERRS 1 million subs male ID chuuba inSANE
where the fuck is the sponsored stream/brand deal guys, subs matters right>??

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>>51025765
>Even your family has unicorns, there is a reason why fathers (or any male family member) not allowing their daughters to be in a relationship is a really common trope.

It's different between a father having his say in his daughter (which is perfectly okay, despite so many edgy opinions saying otherwise) and strangers having their say in an entertainer they don't even know personally, no matter how parasocial they are. That's why people put derogatory on the latter.

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>>51027247
imagine listening to numberfag

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>>51026609
Well, he already appearing on tv ads thou

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>>51027415
Which ad? I haven't watched TV in a while

[Anonymous No.]

>>51027232
Even pornstars and camgirls have unicorns, it's just something that comes with the job.

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>>51026774
>if a president gets married in the middle of their presidential term, people will consider it a scandal.
now that you say that, is there ever wifeless president
anyway, having a spouse itself should make them IMPURE by unicorn standard and making anyone supporting them cucks
but you don't see people saying that ain't it

and there's also that wheelchair scientist and much less caring, some people doesn't even know he got a wife

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>>51027232
and then there's those middle-aged reporter or sports commentator that have no unicorn at all even though people spends 1-3 hours watching them daily in pre-streaming era.

it's prolly just attractive-looking people that got unicorn honestly
like, i don't think sule got unicorns. hopefully. maybe. i hope.
and vtuber, by nature of hiding behind avatar, is attractive-looking, so yeah.

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>>51027635
like i said... apalagi vtubers

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>>51028011
yeah your point is right, specifically for who has good looking / attractive thing (for vtubers, of course the most is voice characteristic).

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>>51028180
*the most sell point

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>>51028180
SEAtubers' most selling point are being loud, childish, and using swears with their native words

[Anonymous No.]

>>51028746
Using swear words is pretty universal gesture, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_WPdZjEy-I
Alenka HSR

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>>51028011
Although they don't act like unicorns, there are sometimes people who became disappointed whenever someone they regularly watch gets married, most of the times, these people blame their marriage for their current disinterest towards them. The basis for these are not romantic feelings, it's parasocial relationship, they might felt like their friend abandoned them for someone else.

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>>51029509
seems like the solution is to already be married from the start
can't make your fans feels like you abandoned them if you make clear they're already the number two from the very start

yeah, you're right, that never works

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/rinivtuber/status/1667098211075633153
We have a new member in 6digit sub club
I wonder if anyone knows her secret to reach it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51030035
shorts + kode keras VA

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>>51027507
It's 3 years ago thou.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbODZ8Ge4wE

[Anonymous No.]

>>51024990
Ajia no hikari Kobo!
Ajia no botai Kobo!
Ajia no shidōsha Kobo!

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnejSYnZq0s
Valita mabar gartic

Also apparently Kobo has picked top21 for Oh Asmara cover contest, I'll share 2 who has leaked it
>Gema https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt_P92pJKfE
>Nana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmM3V8Rn5yY

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>>51029509
One of the most popular streamer in Japan, Jun, had declining viewership after he got married. Pretty funny considering that he made fun of vtubers and vtuber fans for being gachikoi. I guess there's just a group of people that don't like when someone they like, even if they don't actually know them, get "taken away" from them.

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>>51029509
In the past i also felt like that.
I think it was more like they left me behind to become an adult and i was still a kid at that time. I can't relate with their situation or their jokes anymore.

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>>51031524
i think the reason not because jealousy, but still based on parasocial relationship.

"Oh he already has something in his life, something looks like change, i happy to see him happy, but i feel like he no relevant anymore for me, maybe someone changed his life, it's really good for him i really happy tooo, but just... like he's not relevant anymore"

Kalo di Indonesia misalnya, "Ah si artis A udah ga seperti dulu, kayanya gini-gini-gini, jadi lebih sombong/udah bahagia (sibuk) sama keluarga & anaknya/dll...

Ah Windah udah ga kaya dulu lagi, dulu sering gini gini gini, sekarang ABC

This iz also happening on some vtuber fans who declared theirself for not a being gachikoi and say will support whatever happening about their oshi's IRL.

Maybe they're really not jealousy, just they're not find any relevant from their oshi's.

*Again, maybe they're not jealous, but still their reason/feelings based on parasocial relationship. Just like this case >>51029509

[Anonymous No.]

>>51030595
Source? Also
>Gema
Kek

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>>51032258
that's just incel anon
there is no gachikoi in indo
they are all incel

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>>51032258

So, here's new lessons, for you guys.. lulkers, vchuubas...

"Being relevant", the key to gain or keep the audience/ popularity... you should be always be relevant..

I remember in some Agung Hapsah livestreaming...

When someone ask "Where's Arap?"

And then he answer "Idk, about him, last time i've meet him last year. Man, he's really something... how can he keep up her popularity, how can he still being relevant?"

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>>51032829 (me)
*his

[Anonymous No.]

>>51032741
emails

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>>51032780
alfa exist anon

[Anonymous No.]

Wow someone playing GBO2
https://www.youtube.com/live/rmRTWdOqbgM?feature=share

[Anonymous No.]

this mobile entod stream better be good Kobo, i sold my phone number to Zuckerberg just to create IG account

[Anonymous No.]

>>51017863
Meh, I'll take idol culture

Other people can pay for her

[Anonymous No.]

>>51034460
are you a doctor?
if you're not, you don't have a chance with her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51034460
>paying for something free
kek dont forget to renew your Spotify and Netflix subscription

[Anonymous No.]

>>51034690
Sorry, not interesting with whore
>>51034773
Your views still count

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>>51034889
Catalog is over there anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>51034460
>tweets from april
how did ya find that and what even is the relevancy here
are ya unicorn

[Anonymous No.]

>>51027280
this thread always talking about his number before 1m

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDd9HjkIHSM
500 ccv, viewers isnt toxic as mythia back then

[Anonymous No.]

DEISEX
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>>51034321
> 2,6k viewers

nonononono kobokers, what went wrong????
atleast that what catalog would say

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>>51037994 (me)
meanwhile ckia reveal got 6k
> Pemaloe Wins!
and this is what kikebook would say tonight

[Anonymous No.]

>>51037994
>>51038199

ITS ALL WRONG, THOSE RETARD SHITTING ZETA FOR NOT DOING SOMETHING SPECIAL, WTF

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>>51038519
see what i mean, they have a hate boner for zeta for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51038783
who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51038199
>>51038519
did i miss special event?

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>>51039240
We have Kobo continuing her mission on uniting the whole Asia and there's also that Ckia stream, i guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>1 year anniversary
>still 2 views
saviorfag onegai....
https://www.youtube.com/live/E1uebaByL-A

[Anonymous No.]

>>51039997
Pap TT dulu

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>>51039997
having mic issues rip
>you can save her bros

[Anonymous No.]

watching kaela stream rn.
i see so with $200.000 you can buy something like that, interesting.
who know what can they do if HoloID have their own studio

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>>51034460
what's the relevance of this tweet though? kek

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>>51040431
tldr please, i just saw background stage with loli avatar, what's more?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51034889
imagine someone just compliment random person long time ago and never talk about them anymore called a whore
epel gak jualan gfe aja punya gachi kayak gini, gimana kalo dia gfe-an lol

[Anonymous No.]

Oh, Lord of the Board will be up in an hour. Go hop up to this: >>51039677

[Anonymous No.]

who is buchou, kaela crying after Mchan told her he is the first membership, did he passed away?

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>>51026609
talking about jaret, the new parody cover is a banger https://youtu.be/xpNwvxSrbZU

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>>51040710
what is that? can you get money from.that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51040710
/vt/ League but this time it's wrestling. Just like the old times where some kids unironically trying to replicate those Smackdown moves.

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>>51040590
Moona got her alt avatar after 3 years right, meanwhile Kaela got her in first year. from what we know the talent can spend their own money to upgrade and shit like that right

[Anonymous No.]

>>51041047
Isn't loli ava just minor/personal project (not priority)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51041047
Moona also spends way more money on other projects, so it's not really a fair comparison

[Anonymous No.]

>>51041047
Moona spent a shit ton on streaming equipment especially 3D and karaoke stuffs. Also 3/4 of her orisongs are fully animated

[Anonymous No.]

>>51041210
>>51041229
>>51041651
my point with $200.000 in first year you can buy an upgrade faster

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/hievasp/status/1667188008548995073
Damn, what a redemption
>failed to be a nijimama thx to the merge
>managed to be mama for ckia instead
So he's a defacto first local mama for holoID now I guess? Wow can't believe it!

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>>51041781
I don't think there's any correlation. Reine can get one on her first day of joining hololive, but why should she? Pretty much no one thinks that getting an alt avatar is a worthy investment, especially when they're going to barely use it.

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>>51029509
Alot of cosplayers that i followed started losing engagement after they announce their relationship status i think these days cosplayers are a subset of idol culture except for SeeU. Both her and her husband had alot of cucks for some reason. Probably pedos aswell because DAUGHTER CUTE!

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>>51042109
Wait, is he that birdboy mama? Damn, what a redemption arc then (also, do we have info for wave 7 other mama?)

[Anonymous No.]

>>51042109
Is Kaela abandoned by her own mama?

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>>51041781
hmmm... is Kaela told that's she go to japan for cover corp new studio?

Isn't that just loli ava + new background room (but with more animation)?

Well it's not wrong at all, when moona, ID1, ID2, get background room with many animation more long than kaela (maybe 2 years), but i can't find any correlation with $200.000 studio that your talking about before.

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>>51041781
Moona doesn't have multiple personalities thingy like Kaela, for what purpose would she even get one? Besides it's just a side model that probably won't be used that much, I wouldn't call that an upgrade

[Anonymous No.]

>>51042194
https://twitter.com/hkina7
https://twitter.com/Oyakorodesu

[Anonymous No.]

>>51041781
>>51042211 (me)

oh i'm sorry, i thought yo talking about hololive new studio.

forget all of my previous comments.

So, do you mean $200.000 is kaela's total revenue right?

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>>51040431
HoloID studio is not happening and never going to happen stop being delusional.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51042199
Now that you say it, Is Kaela the only ID who has different illustrator for her outfits?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51026169
She's practising for smackdown in LotB, of course she's gotta train hard if she wanna win it for us?

Anyways here's YT link for easier appviewing purposes
https://youtu.be/AYcF453YwDw
Show your pride awanama, demi ibu pertiwi yeahhhhhhhhhhh

[Anonymous No.]

>>51042689
I think so. Cover really made a huge mistake choosing him since it doesn't look like he's really interested in vtuber stuff and iirc still has some ongoing manga works too

[Anonymous No.]

>>51040853
>KEK
this is good

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>>51042443
Ooh, the former also do the Holocaf3 key visual ... I hope one of them really ended up being a mama for the new Holo. I feel so bad for at least 2 of them since they can't showcase their chuuba designs because Enikara deceided to be a dick

[Anonymous No.]

>>51040853
This is kino af

[Anonymous No.]

>>51041047
>>51041781
moona's alt l2d was sponsored by Cover though

[Anonymous No.]

>>51043724
LotB update
>>51039711
>>51048149
We'll play at final Ro50 match at around 3.45am WIB

[Anonymous No.]

>>51045220
same anon same

[Anonymous No.]

>>50978438
>>50978688
I will never understand why a lot of Indonesians want already well established celebrities to become a Vtuber. I think it's:
1. It's super cringe, norak banget
2. Those people aren't always proven to be good streamer. Streamer is a different beast compared old media
3. There's a lot of great talents waiting for their chance in entertainment media but not getting that chance because they're not attractive enough for TV or their skill don't translate well to TV.
4. IDIH NORAK BANGET HIH
Those kind of posts felt like people who obsessed with celebs and put their photos all over their house.

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>>51018185
Sometimes I wonder if they put a script to post that word immediately when someone posted something in Kaskus.
Also I miss Kaskus FJB. That place is a hive but damn I love finding unique stuff people selling. The new online marketplace isn't as fun because they love to censor and remove products and stores. The funniest one is when they consider flashlight and rechargeable batteries as "Adult products" just because the brand is called Xtar.
Sometimes I buy stuff from Instagram, but lack of rekber means it's a huge gamble. the purchases usually ended well, but I got scammed once.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51039997
>removed
who?
>>51040609
he's a tsundere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51037767
sex marathon with deisex till morning monday

[Anonymous No.]

LotB Update
We're playing, hop into >>51043724 gan

[Anonymous No.]

>>51053407
>IDIH NORAK BANGET HIH
cringe

[Anonymous No.]

>>51021175
>>51034321
>entod
whaddya mean?
is it correction time for the brat?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51018427
Idol:

1. An image used as an object of worship.

2. A false god.

3. One that is adored, often blindly or excessively.

ONE THAT IS ADORED, OFTEN BLINDLY OR EXCESSIVELY.

With this definition, you can say a lot of celebrities and people are also idols anon. I think this is why Yagoo decided to change Hololive direction from idol group to entertainment group because he knew those girls are far more than just idol. But they still using some of the old idol concept like keeping their talents in line with rules. But if you notice unlike entertainment idols, streamers are a bit more free to choose what they use to leverage their popularity.

Some might still use their singing skill like Okayu and Watame that pumped out tons of cover songs and originals every month. Some will rely on their gaming skills like Korone and Botan. Some will use their social zatsudan skills like Vesper and Pikamee. Some will come up with quirky stuff like Polka and Magni..... and Haachama. In the end, they're just here to entertain us. Some fans being obsessive unicorns and Gachikoi aren't their fault. People are just being parasocial because they have nothing in their life other than their obsession with someone.

But is this obsession is a new thing? Absolutely not. I remember a guy who was so obsessed with celebs he photoshopped his pics with some celebs and put them around his house (mostly Dangdut singers) and don't forget how our local TV has shit ton of celebrity news EVERY.SINGLE.DAY. It got so bad even the paparazzi actually camped in front of celebrity homes hoping for some content. I remember a celebrity who paid their male maid to go out to do some stupid kuda lumping stuff to appease the paparazzi outside. Fucking humiliating for him. Or remember when a local TV spent the whole day broadcasting a celebrity wedding event? Or that one show where the presenters went to a celebrity home so they can talk about their collection of expensive stuff like bags and shoes?

At this rate, streamers are actually better entertainer. Most of them are far more down to earth and relatable. But maybe that relatability also gave birth to unicorns. But once again I will remind you that the unicorns aren't the streamer's fault.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51053407
its a joke anon, don't worry

>1. It's super cringe, norak banget
>4. IDIH NORAK BANGET HIH
ok you've said it twice, now you're Cringe

[Anonymous No.]

>>51019728
Unicorns already exist before Idol culture. I mean who do you think shot John Lennon or Christina Grimmy?

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6cDfrMHp0A
for those who don't have IG

its kinda bland imo
why people love unskilled chuuba playing competitive game?
ollie apex, kobo valo, kobo moba, selen apex ?
i'd rather watch botan goes poi poi all day

[Anonymous No.]

>>51024220
Talking about Indonesian idolatry statues, is there Vtubers who use Indonesian folklore characters as their Vtuber persona?
I mean look at Roro Jonggrang, she can be a Vtuber that's pretty but kinda haughty and demand a lot of stuff to her chat.
Also is it only me or Roro Jonggrang is sexy af? I mean other than being topless (with nice pair of racks) she's also pretty bahenol/thicc. You have to give it to Indonesian ancient stone statue sculptors who knew understand thiccness is important

[Anonymous No.]

>>51061560
>value ancestors' arts
>bahenol
>THICC

[Anonymous No.]

>>51061560
basically Nia with deeper lore
or mika if you count kunti as a folklore

[Anonymous No.]

>>51062777
kunti is folklore

[Anonymous No.]

>>51058287
>>51060394
don't scare the sister please

[Anonymous No.]

>>51067329
Excuse me, you can call me cringe or whatever but don't relate me with those annoying nijisisters

[Anonymous No.]

>>51026284
>you don't see media reporting a scandals about the president actually having a wife all this time
Oh you sweet summer child
Also found the zoomer
And, I'm not just talking about Bill Clinton, but also Sudomo

[Anonymous No.]

>>51030359
>Not full animation
Boomer ad director don't trust animation lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>51068196
We need Gojek for that

[Anonymous No.]

>>51040431
They can spend way less if they build one in Bandung or Bekasi.
The cameras and equipments are still expensive, but they can still build a smaller studio that can be rented to many Indonesian media companies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51042483
>$200K
>around Rp 3 Milyar
I don't think she gained that much in just a year anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51062777
>>51064516
Depend on your believe anon
If you believe in makhluk halus then Kunti is not a folklore

[Anonymous No.]

Idk, as a simper who had ever become a gachikoi before, i've always imagin i will meet and make relationship someday...

Then i realize that your oshi actually are more normie than you. They're hangout with their friend, boy-girl friend, circle, etc, they're doing many activity in RL that really not relevant/separate with vtuber world...

while you just stick around vtuber world & news, watching them every single day, playing game, watching game, otaku stuff, etc and still being halu someday you can meet your oshi... but actually you're become more irrelevant.

Now, i'm think about myself. You will never meet your oshi if just stick around in your now. And i learned too from bulan case, even her "person" not a simper.

So, i start to thing watching vtuber just waste time, instead now i'm focus on become more relevant as a normie, participate with many events & activity, catch up their closest circle, upgrade myself & my personal branding, etc... in purpose for someday i can really meet my oshi.

That's ironic, if you want to get catch up / meet your oshi, your should reduce or even left vtuber world.

what do you thing?

[Anonymous No.]

Is this the mucho texto thread

[Anonymous No.]

She's been doing that for 7 hours and it's her ninth time?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZmQHfr1-KA

Since I don't follow the beginning of her donothon, can I ask what's her end goal? Subs? Donations?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51042418
>Moona doesn't have multiple personalities thingy like Kaela
anon, every kaelas gimmick youve seen are basically moona in her first year

[Anonymous No.]

>>51071842
I mean that's how it works. If you're someone who's talented enough to contribute to your oshi's projects and content, you'll always be more relevant than even the rich whales or the dedicated simps. Become a producer, not just a consumer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51074066
just check out livium
damn man, the gap between siliva and other member so big
she's the only one who has 40k subs while the rest of the group still under 10k
yet they've open new gen recruitment?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51075299
Don't make me scary & remember my bad memories. What if Kaela brother, actually not really her brother?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51074066
She just wanna try, no end goal at all
But she being the first one to do donothon AFAIK, is maybe a hands-on research & development for Livium

[Anonymous No.]

>>51067994
to be fair, bill clinton was using his power and influence to get someone to blow him in the office.
thats about abusing power and indecency rather then the stupid bullshit of the people feeling entitled to his love or whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51075994
Oh my sweet summer child

[Anonymous No.]

>>51076092
Yeah, I feel that most of her contents are much more experimental compared to her genmates, but so far, she's not benefited from it. Not that I complain about it being experimental, but I feel that she just hasn't found the type of experimental contents that help her on the incline.
>>51075925
She's stacking a whole lot of buffs: a popular mama, riding the incline as the spearhead, and her personality that's easy to attract more viewers. So I can see her continue to incline for the coming months. But her homework at this point is to make the trickle down effect to her genmates, since she's still a corpo-chuuba.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/06cLy1fDnFI
so kaela spend much money just to become pikame lite?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51071842
that's not necessarily mutually exclusive, anon
i mean, even if your oshi spends time going out and shit, they still have time to stream
they have the time to socialize AND streaming, so why can't you? you can still watch your oshi while you're lifting and shit

though i guess it really feels like a downgrade if you're a hako-oshi or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>51075994
nta but like this anon said, >>51071842 kaela will never be your friends nor your gf anon, she wont care if you got sick or broke, there will be time when her yabs got public, she is a entertainer that will keep you motivated while you searching and struggling for your own future, improve yourself like ame said, dont go old, and all you can do is just sitting in your desk and jerking off, use kaelas presence as a motivation to work hard while you can, and when the yabs come out, itll be nothing biggy for you, coz you already have your own life and you can keep supporting her as usual.

[Anonymous No.]

why can't we treat vtuber as a mere entertainment?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51078686
at this point kobofags are see kobo as pure entertainer and talent because she is funny

[Anonymous No.]

>>51078686

why vtuber/streamer cosenquence parasocial relstionship? That even more strong, probably more strong than k-pop/j-pop idol fans?

my answer: >>51027232

Because they are spent their life at least 1-3 hours or more almost everyday to interact with their oshi. That is something even some real couple can't do that everyday.

I wont balme/say like "its because the vtuber or the simper fauilt", but its just side effect/consequency.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51079239
yes. mostly her fans see her just as bacol

[Anonymous No.]

>>51078686
People can get attached to anyone, no matter how people treat them, even if they're fictional. People still get mad when the VA of a character is changed even if they never know the VA beforehand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51078686
we can't. you'd always find 'orang gila' who adore so much public figures they would die for. even the unreal one like anime characters have their own sasaeng
just look at nisekoi. the best girl war between onodera and gorilla is back

[Anonymous No.]

>>51079385
jokes on you, i spent 1-3 hours everyday with my boss and much less being parasocial, i've developed scathing hatred

[Anonymous No.]

>>51079385
i simp and work at the same time, its not something hard to do, you dont have to be "there" like a real couple

[Anonymous No.]

>>51070503
kikebook kid doesn't know how the cuts work please andastand

[Anonymous No.]

>>51076925
she just want the pedos money too. atleast she finally use her money for something good instead of another cheap.cover.

[Anonymous No.]

Mai, the Indonesian Japanese vtuber in AKA, has passed 100k subs

[Anonymous No.]

>>51080215
well, i'm the one kind of people like that, but i just try to understand from gachikoi/unicorn perspective.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51080178
the comparison doesn't match

[Anonymous No.]

>>51080605
Kaela doesn't have a lot of artist and musician connection, I don't know why she even bother making one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51081141 (me)
*i'm not

[Anonymous No.]

>>51081327
what, i also never meet my boss
it's all remote nowadays baby

[Anonymous No.]

>>51081484
.......
well whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51079225
LotB update
We're heading into Ro40 with our match starts tonight around 1.10am against /nade/-/wg/-AkiChocoMel

[Anonymous No.]

>>51081952
what is this competition? can i get some money fromt his?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51081952 <-
Actually scratch that, LotB got his retard momento
We're fighting Luknight and Mr. /grave/ alongside AkiChocoMel rep tonight

[Anonymous No.]

retard here so how come Kobo can play chink game is it because the stream is not on YouTube, is that why cover try to make their own streaming website to bypass the loop?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51082321
It's sponsored

[Anonymous No.]

>>51017863
>Idol's Stigma Edition
Idol love

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI7KMxYSSWo
Palit reviewing your lunch

[Anonymous No.]

>>51082321
where are you when a bunch of holoID play pubgm?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51071842
You can be both anon. Hell, a lot of simp ended up became part of the industry OR his/her dedication led to him being something in the world.
Look at the people who made MLP fighting game. After Hasbro send them cease and desist they altered the characters into original characters and the game is as popular as ever. This led to them becoming legit game developer.
Or remember Katawa Shoujo. It was a fan project at first, but in the end the result led to many to gain experience to work in the actual industry.
Your definition of gachikoi is simply those lazy fat bastards who did nothing but just consoooming day in and out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51075925
>Small corpo
>One got super famous, the rest trailed far behind
Oh, you mean VOMS project? or used to?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51075994
Kek, this remind me of Hana Machia's dad. Or maybe, "dad."

[Anonymous No.]

>>51076092
>Zoomer don't know about Sudomo Salim

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QLUwqXm1PI
Seal on OW2 mabar mode

[Anonymous No.]

>>51081329
>Working for a company
>She can ask the management
>Or ask fellow Hololivers
They have their own private discord anon, what do you think they're doing there?
other than hot and steamy lesbian texting

[Anonymous No.]

>>51087869
was only clarifying Bill Clinton thing, plus im not Indonesian so of course im not aware of that guy, zoomer or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51088028
kek, notice how HoloEN ends up commissioning a lot of the same music producers that HoloID commissioned first

[Anonymous No.]

>>51088028
why lesbian sexting produce steam? are they cooked or smth?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51088175
Because Indonesian animators, music arrangers and producers are way cheaper than their American or European counterpart.
I'm not complaining, more job for us lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51088231
>Indonesia
>Hot and humid
Now imagine your oshi in their underwear streaming while sweating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51088635
smelly
no likey likey

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

guess who's back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdedkeEpWfY

[Anonymous No.]

Is there Vtubers using their real accent to stream? I'm curious if there's someone streaming with Java accent, or Batak accent, or Sunda accent....

[Anonymous No.]

>>51017863
With coach botak!

[Anonymous No.]

>>51092423
does michon and etna counts

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXDQacgA1SM
Oppai loli draws armpits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxdi5KqWGwM
Shana arknek

[Anonymous No.]

>>51092423
epel nyundanya kentel, ngejawa juga cukup medhok

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqZT_uP39hk
Elula balorant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFoirUzR8f4
Olyn Pet review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_UZiz8BE1Q
Julie donothon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHdBFPODXgU
Pira echosings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eCJrdHV2vo
NanaRika-Zen emel

[Anonymous No.]

GOJO SATORU IS DEATH

[Anonymous No.]

i know you guys grow tired of the starsID discussion, but hey atleast we're not looping the "ID kok EN" stupidity, amirite?

[Anonymous No.]

ID kok EN kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>51091177
>still doesn't bother to make a thumbnail
Ottagang, why is your oshi like this? I thought she'd at least put some effort after all of that shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51092423
Balinese accent:
- Hyona Elatiora <niji> (not that thick somehow?)
- John Belleric <indie> (very "local Balinese man" feel)
- Zen Gunawan <maha5, exiting soon> (kinda on the thin side for me)

Sundanese accent:
- prof. Harunozuka <harucomrade> (there's that typical Sundanese vocal quality somehow.)
- Riksa Dhirendra <niji> (same as above)
- ghostofapudding formerly known as Zea Cornelia <niji> <indie> (somewhat thick for me)
- Rora Meeza <indie, previously in Alterly> (voice quality so close to above, for me)

Banjar Accent (not really? the Banjar local language sounds very similar to the general Bahasa Indonesia tho, so i can't really tell "why do you think they sound Banjar") :
- MiU <AKA>
- Nara Haramaung <niji>


Javanese accent my native accent :
- Juliana Shafira <AKA> (feels around Joglosemar/Jogja-Solo-Semarang kind of medhok)
- Amaya Miyu <AKA> (sounds so "outskirts of Surabaya" in my ear somehow)
- Astelica Kasdea <indie> (feels more Surabaya for me)
- Etna Crimson <niji> (somehow falls into "Surabaya" according to my ears)
- Amicia Michela <niji> (feels Joglosemar, but maybe especially Solo)

There are some others that i may put in Sumatran Accent, but I'm not sure who to put and where approximately the accent sounds like. maybe Deidey is somewhere around Riau-Padang-Palembang?

And i have yet to find the accents Eastwards, like Sulawesi (Reza Avanluna tho, at one point, he used his... Makassar dialect?), Maluku, Papuan, and Timor

[Anonymous No.]

>>51094868
pfft, ID kok EN
minimal tuh JW

[Anonymous No.]

>>51094968
If I may add
Sundanese accent:
- Siska Leontyne <Niji, exiting soon> (somewhat thick)

Javanese accent:
- Mero Merodi <maha5> (Joglosemar with a little hint of ngapak)

Sumatran accent:
- Nagisa Arcinia <niji> (Palembang, from what I've told?)
- Azura Cecillia <niji> (little bit of Batak, or at least the perantauan variant of those Batak descent that's been living in Jakarta)

[Anonymous No.]

>>51095006
SU >>> JW

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD49vyrhkwI
Cacang nganu

[Anonymous No.]

>>51088535
American and European artists are bunch of snobs who overcharge things without proper portofolio

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdfeUlBW8TA
Laras gabut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnqosWg4kv4
Leifa digicasting ID VS Brunei
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK5vv2ka37A
Nima sings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uzASJ-S3yE
Meedy ngecringe

[Anonymous No.]

>>51087869
I know who SudoNo Salim is, but who the fuck is SudoMo Salim?

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCb48e0YT7w
Ayano nyantuy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OgbQgfmyuE
Miroh nobar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM1RWdeM1lk
Melody balorant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqQbIux0Wvk
Siel Sendu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIoKzdw0EWo
Rena find memes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzyLpvhtcZg
Moza draws

[Anonymous No.]

>>51097830
so did he have unicorns follower tho

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJMUNBtKYks&ab_channel=GemaGathika%E3%80%90AKAVirtual%E3%80%91
Rap Battle

[Anonymous No.]

How can an Indonesian speaking fleshstreamer with 2k CCV get 1B IDR of donations while a lot of HoloID can't even though most of them speak English?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51098762
Gambling money. Kobo used to get a lot of Sociabuzz from gambling site too at her peak popularity. Those streamers usually would thank the gambling site, sometimes very extensively while the holos would always ignore it.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa1iid9dh7k
Epel visits twinchuubas
Mika talk and request
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNeGFE-DWVo
Miti talks redflag partners
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csu8v5O7KI4
Rynn reveals why tf she made a song for MC server

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/EvuuEsmwlW0
Kokoro subathon till Monday(?)

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okTjyF5Ml5w
Eiko got walfie'd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIyb-CRpYpQ
Nia sings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BubQNw1kBnI
Mahiru nyantuy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eMe5YIswVo
ISHVARADIO liv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_Vnh1fJDfA
Mikaasuma emel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpn78lLvDUA
I have no idea wtf Ave's doing rn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ8sRewHOp4
Rorang RE4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNu29mLdxdc
Dina car mechanic simulator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pauk3ZuG9Qo
Aika Basara2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKlSZW-GLWY
Velary's back!

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpk6YEG-ND4
Nowaru RE4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bRzJw7t2OM
Miyu got lost at 3DPD's channel

[Anonymous No.]

>LotB
gonna do naked smackdown with deisex in her bed tonight.
my finishing move is jurus pompa hamil.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51098762
pssttt let me tell you a secret, if your stream can reach 10k vcv BTOTO will come to your stream. 10k ccv equal to 10M, 50k ccv equal to 50M

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/ztjHUqj-JVo
Zoey's unarchive karaoke

[Anonymous No.]

>>51095308
>Only one Batak
>Not a single Maduranese

[Anonymous No.]

>>51097411
Indeed. I mean look at those people who made High Guardian Spice.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-C6TFvjezY
Daisy proyekan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yirvuunSuk
Tomio nip duolingo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN0Cm3EnzlM
Loizi ngegombal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG1j_GASjXo
Kats Diablo 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZerDt2b9nng
/u/chuubas getting together for Helix's 70k

[Anonymous No.]

>>51097830
Whoops, I was mistaken. I mean this Sudomo
https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudomo

[Anonymous No.]

>>51098920
Fucking gambling sites
Indonesians are very weak to gambling. The fact that those gambling business can run rampant like that is a sign that our country is fucked
Gambling, the worst vice ever.

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/indo_comiccon/status/1667443171419369474
Would it be a good idea to put MAHA5 in ICC after the most absurd firing in IDchuuba history?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51071842
gachikoi tobat turn into become stalkychad

[Anonymous No.]

>>51102739
Fr fr, I'm also looking for chuubas with Probolinggo/Madura accent

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0mAo95uMe0
Your menhera GF Cae now liv

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtJH9MI7qYs
Moldy Purin Night

[Anonymous No.]

>>51105482
purin love

[Anonymous No.]

>>51100712
Seeing those chuubas reminds me of the CCV table. Maybe, I'll do that again based on /#/ table. That means some of the notable chuubas will be left behind, as the other means to track CCV views, Playboard, has its own limitation to see numbers on certain dates and it consumes considerable time to put them manually one by one.

Also, I checked the table (>>50762211) and MAHA5 apparently got 4K+ CCV with one of their JP talents? What?
>Higeki Rin
>No. of Streams: 25
>Median Peak: 4162
>Mean Peak: 4179
>that numbers are only being surpassed by Kobo compared to other ID chuubas

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1OwGWwQVOgZGQ?s=20
Naya in space

[Anonymous No.]

>>51106385
>check the table further
>now the table includes AKA Virtual, YumeLive, and Re:Memories chuubas
Alright, I'll compile it for May 2023 tally.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaB_gT5GSBs
Keiko GOI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KjzOH1zWJU
Leone in Announcer Voice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nBDY9vJEPA
Kawi malming mediashare

[Anonymous No.]

>>51107109
skedul revisi fix for LotB is up, our match should be on 1.10am
mobile app viewers should hop into link below for viewings
https://youtu.be/1R16HfIsZ7Q
awanama, show them who we are! do it for ibu pertiwi!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>51071842
It's but to be fair this is also what happens in every entertainment form that has groupies flocking for its talent so that is not exactly a new wisdom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51106385
Didn't you learn mean, median, and mode (or modus in Indonesian) in elementary school?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51103453
>no nia, lumi, kevin, rena
fix bakal kena PHK juga?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51108905
Yeah. But, when it comes to the numbers, it's either they use the average number of CCV or the peak one as the data set. According to a numberfag, it's >>51107130

Also, I don't touch math subject for several years. Guess my major.

[Anonymous No.]

Here are the numbers of ID VTubers in May 2023.

The pattern is still the same: Holosweep across the tally, then followed by Mika and Miti. The rest are between the rest of the ex-IDs, MAHA5, and other corpochuubas with some indies. They include chuubas that don’t make the list for some reason.

If you notice that some chuubas aren’t on the tally, it’s either not on the source (vstats.jp) or she/he is lazy enough to not stream at least 5 times in a month.

>Wait, what do median peak and mean peak mean?
>>51107130

[Anonymous No.]

>>51112207
I didn't know that Hera is the 20th exID mem anon, also now that we have the exact comparison, why did Edy fired their best non-pioneer talent in MAHA5?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51112655
>Hera is the 20th exID member
My brain at midnight, purisu andastand.

Some interesting notes about this table:
>Kobo mogged some of HoloJP members in terms of numbers, namely Choco-sensei, Matsuri, Mel, Roboco-san.
>But, if you check the overall table that includes 600+ chuubas, Kobo’s numbers are still below Dacapo from Algorhythm Project (Thailand).
>ORION, a sub-unit from Algorhythm Project (Thailand), is on par with HoloID in terms of numbers.
>HoloID numbers are on par with Nijisanji EN. Reine's numbers are above (in order) Doppio, Maria, Scarle, Finana, Ver, Aia, and Aster. That's all of ILUNA except Ren.
>HoloID numbers are on par with Holostars (including EN). Reine's numbers are above some of Holostars boys.
>Even some of Holostars boys are neck to neck with some of the ex-IDs. From Hana, the order is: Hana > Arurandeisu > Rio > Pak Taka > Siska > Fuma > Rikka > Oga
>Mika and Miti numbers are still above Flayon, the lowest of Holostars EN. Of course, the duo mogged some of Holostars JP boys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51112655
I think the habit of Zen being in touch with literally every chuuba he knows becomes one of the factors. It did give Zen some numbers, but for some reason, the Ollie-like behavior pissed off Edy or the upper management at Rentracks. But, that's just my guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51114254
Iirc he really said that the high-ups of Maha5 didn't like how Zen always raids other chuubas after stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>51107526
Its time

[Anonymous No.]

>>51102739
Sometimes I wonder if this is because of Madurans reputation in Indonesia?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51116006
Is this really a solid rrat?
Raiding other stream after stream is very common thing to do for many streamers and it helped leverage CCV and introduce someone to streamer we don't know.
It's pretty much a harmless action. No one get hurt and the raider gaining love and respect from people who got raided.
I think that one just pure speculation. No way that's an excuse unless the company is run by a bunch of technologically clueless boomers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51113674
>>51106385
I've been fearing that with MAHA5 expanding to TH, their ID talents will inevitably lose to the superior number JP-TH brings to MAHA5, do you think ID will bottle our biggest SEA market title to TH?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51119124
Our market is big but funny thing is not many people willing to drop big money on a talent that much. Meanwhile Th and JP, even with their smaller population is way more generous in spending money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51120785
Have you seen the news lad? ID are very conservative in spendings and this year it's getting tighter and tighter for us, compare that to TH where they have many sultans and gachis who can spend their bucks freely

[Anonymous No.]

>>51123609
Fun fact: They also produce their own hentai. Yes, with Thai dubbing as well. Garnt (that guy from Trash Taste) even got turned off so bad because the dubbing is like Thailand Soap Opera/Sinetron.

Also regarding conservative spending, yeah, my dad also like that but because he started with small income (hell, after their wedding they only have 2 dinner plates and had to ride on cargo ship).

Meanwhile, I follow Shaquille O'Neal advice:
>50% saved, 40% invested, 10% for fun.
He has diploma in financial

[Anonymous No.]

>>51124483
>>50% saved, 40% invested, 10% for fun.

but what about daily necessities?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51125688
That's after bills and daily necessities.
I realize it only work for people with higher income. But it still good advice.
It need some alteration for lower income bracket.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51112207
>41 streams in a month
What the fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>51127241
That's 1 of 2 strats for Vtuber to succeed.
Either you
>Made few streams but made them high quality and lots of clippable moments
>Made shit ton of streams so it will caught youtube algorithm or enough people to watch
The latter is the strat done by Kaela and Rin Penrose

[Anonymous No.]

>>51119043
Well, that was what he said iirc so that's up to anyone's guess. Then again while I agree it's a harmless action, perhaps they are afraid it will leak already declining Maha5 and Zen's viewers to other chuubas? Whatever it is, I don't think it's beyond them since they're already proven to be retarded enough to one-sided fired Zen.
>>51119124
Investing in ID market is always playing a long game. It's understandable if some foreign investors lose their patience and want to pull their money away
>>51123609
Doesn't it happen globally? I thought it hit EU and NA harder than it hit us. Whatever it is, I'm more interested in who will replace Maha5 if they really leave ID market and what will exMaha5, both talents and staff, will do about that.
>>51127241
That's normal for her at this point already

[Anonymous No.]

>>51120785
>>51123609

what are you talked about guys? We're on the top, while Japanese are the most below

https://www.cafonline.org/about-us/publications/2022-publications/caf-world-giving-index-2022

https://youtu.be/m79RUC1OAbU

But, in charity & volunteer

[Anonymous No.]

>>51128635
>Doesn't it happen globally? I thought it hit EU and NA harder than it hit us
Bruh, if their weekly grocery shopping is around $20 minimum (around Rp 300k) and they're buying fuel by the gallon, I think they can spend more than just $1/Rp15K.
Remember that Kobo keep getting money but they're mostly ranging from Rp15K - Rp50K while Americans and Europeans send from $5 - $50
Then there's JP vtubers. I saw even the smallest HoloJP will get at least one 10K Yen akasupa per stream.
For a lot of us spending $3 eating at warteg is expensive enough.

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>>51129018
Yeh, since Indonesia is Muslim majority the shortcut to gain a lot of Pahala is to give Zakat, Infaq and Sadaqah/Sedekah.
This is why there's a lot of organizations specialized in receiving Zakat. But as a Muslim I also believe those orgs need to be externally audited annually.We don't want the repeat of ACT anymore.

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>>51129173
>spending $3 eating
that's expensive, anon.
i usually spend less than 20k idr eating (the only meat i eat is ikan teri) at a warteg.
>>51129420
>ACT
fuck them, pretty sure there are lots who are like them.

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>>51131068
>that's expensive, anon.
That's my point, anon. The uttermost people spend money in warteg is 50K per person and it's already considered ridiculous.
I know there's a lot of rich Indonesians out there. But on the matter of fair wealth distribution it isn't the best.
Meanwhile in Australia, you can literally co-pay for an apartment even when you only work as a dishwasher and you still have enough money to spend to buy used Xbox and used games.

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Our digital economic & entertainment actually are not small, still far below from top region countries (Japan, USA), but still okay, we're still biggest market in ASEAN.

Just, just, just, what kind of entertainment? Mostly are mainstream entertainment.

Actually, our normie also enjoyed many entertainment from many countries not only from locals, especially like western, K-pop, J-pop, now are the most popular foreigner pop culture.

In the past even we also consume India (until 2011 xx), Middle East (Turkey series in 2010-2014) & Chinese pop culture (80-2000s). So, our people actually pretty flexible from outside pop culture.

*This is for elite weebs/simpers who think that our locals who not interest in vtuber mostly are just bunch of tribals misqueen who don't know anything about overseas pop culture.

Digital streaming service like music, movie, anime, OTT also can catch in our market. Especially people in big cities.

Anime & otaku stuff already enter the normie domain but.... just just just... not for gaming (especially PC & consle), live streaming, vtubers, especially in gaming our market still small, that's also relevant with vtubers market because vtubers contents are mostly gaming, right?

https://allcorrectgames.com/insights/indonesia/

In fact, donations revenue from all IDs livestreamers can't even reach 50 billions in total. (i just guess, but i bet it won't reach that far).

Rather than a streamer, become content creator can gain more engagement & profit in Indonesia.

Average young content creators with just 50-100k followers in IG/Chintod can gain 30-50 billions of rupiah every month, bigger than some IDs vchuubas from top agencies.

If you feels have good-look face enough, can attract people, have entertain sense, and can relevant with normie, you can try to become content creator too other than just become vtuber. If your face not really good you still can become badut to provide funny/comedic contents.

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>>51127385
No, but I mean, 41 streams in 30 days means that she not only streams daily, but also frequently streams twice in a day.
And her streams usually last like, 10 hours, rite?
when did she sleeps or go out or doing offstream grinding

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>>51133624
what is this content creator you're talking about and what content did they do that a virtual avatar can't do

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>>51134592
Some pemaloe in some Discord that i joined say that her sleep schedule already broken (he proudly say that).

Idk, why pemaloe always proudly say loud about her oshi's often streaming than others. Even thought she enjoyed it, but still that's not good for her health.

No offensive to you pemaloes. I just feel sad for your oshi's health condition. (My pemaloe friend told about Kaela's condition).

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>>51134979
i will fix her sleep schedule with sex marathon.
no more minecraft for her.

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>>51133624
>30-50 billions rupiah

Do you mean millions right?

Well, halfly true. My content creators say, it depend on what you content provide.

If your content more niche + personal branding (as a specialist in some field) + you sell your product, with just 100k followers you even can reach 100 jt.

But if you content is entertainment, it won't enough, at minimum you need have 500k followers, people will acknowledge you. But after reach that numbers, it will be more easy money.

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I recommend not separating paragraphs too often or someone is going to call you out for using "reddit spacing"

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>>51134979
i once like that before when iam still nganggur
but then continous insomnia hit me
i couldn't sleep for 3days, heart beating fast, tired eyes but your mind could'nt relax at all
and worse, it happens frequently
i was once "iam a gamer i don't need to sleep" but nope, insomnia tortures made me care about sleep cycle

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>>51140515
sorry I wrote from the phone.

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>>51134592
Not really. Her streaming hours has been pretty low because of how busy she (and the rest of the ID branch) has been in the last few months. Even Kaela herself said so herself. Hopefully everything goes back to normal this month.

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>>51129173
Your previous point was about people being more conservative with money thus decreasing their willingness to pay, whether it's for donation, buying merch, etc., not their spending power tho I can understand that our willingness to pay is really small comparing to developed countries such as Japan and as what I mentioned previously, investing in Indonesia is playing a long game especially with its streaming culture is still young. So, if their management want a quick, big numbers, Indonesia is not the place the looking for.
>B-but Thailand
It is also baffling me how big their numbers turn out to be mainly because I don't know how is streaming culture there and their attitude toward donating to some strangers on the internet. However I think it might also has how strong thejr currency is, how the global inflation hit them, and how their saturated their market is, which I don't have any idea about honestly

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https://www.youtube.com/live/sd-UiWcSxgU?feature=share
Gaby's unarchived morning (?) stream

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd-UiWcSxgU?feature=share
Gaby's unarchived morning (?) stream

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Based on what I can gather from Kobo's song views, Indonesians prefer cover of a song sung by a human rather than vocaloid covers.

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>>51143425
But looks like her new cover song will be cover vocaloid song

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>>51143992
Source?

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>>51127385
>>Made shit ton of streams so it will caught youtube algorithm or enough people to watch
dont do this if youre not part of Hololive i see fuckton 2 views who do 24 hours stream and they still stuck as 2views, what make Kaela success is the doritos label

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>>51143425
Not really, it's more because of the song choice. A lot of vocaloid songs, including the two songs that she covered, don't really took advantage of her vocal. It's just bland. Also it's nor fair to judge this since we only have 2 cover of vocaloid song, one on them being a duet with Ollie (debuff) on top of being her first ever project post debut (no experiences yet, lower budget too).

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>>51146095
Because hololive is the only corpo that have big fanbase in all timezones (well, europe not so much but still decent).

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFv2vjBE-n4&ab_channel=UtadaZoeyCh.%E6%AD%8C%E7%94%B0%E3%81%9E%E3%81%8A%E3%81%84
Zoey

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>>51119043
>It's pretty much a harmless action. No one get hurt and the raider gaining love and respect from people who got raided.
Zen was said to raid English small corpos like Kawaii, which is full of Unicorn fans.

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>>51150675
Are you implying that kawaii pushed Zen to get the Oceane treatment?

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>>51152274
Idk It's not just Kawaii that he raid

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>>51134837
>what content did they do that a virtual avatar can't do
Brand endorsement, I believe this vid has the reasons covered
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zAbwi2UCZYs

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>>51102932
I think the government should place an Insane amount of taxes in order to put those sites down

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>>51102932
>The fact that those gambling business can run rampant like that is a sign that our country is fucked
by your logic every country is fucked up
>>51154005
>taxes them
>it mean the govt must make gambling legal

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>>51095006
JW ? jewish ?

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>>51155012
no is Justice Warriors

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>>51112207
Some notes about the chuuba that doesn't make the list: vstats.jp doesn't include all of the chuuba in some of the agencies.
>Only Lily Ifeta is being tracked from Re:Memories.
>Only Amarynn and Tekitou are being tracked from AKA Virtual.
If I remember correctly, this is also the case for MAHA5 in the past. But, all of the chuubas are being tracked now.

>>51127241
You missed The Groomed Dragon Fruit (Mishika Aya from YumeLive). She streamed 20 times in May when most of the chuubas in the table (except Zen and some of HoloID girls) aren't even hit 15, yet her numbers are still low.

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>>51155012
>>51155144

am a gonna go racist and say its "JAWIR"

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>>51142251
Thailand economy... I dunno, but if there's a company that can make a H anime it means they believe they have enough market to sell it. Also Thailand is pretty strong economically thanks to flow of western tourists coming in every year. Especially the one who decided to move in permanently, carrying their dollars with them.

captcha: TMT BHP
Time to watch Towa again

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>>51146095
It's also about luck tho.
Rin Penrose is from small idol agency and she already racked 90 hours stream time in just 4 months.
Maybe spending a little bit on youtube ad might work

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>>51150675
lol unicorns don't affect agency decision.

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>>51155730
Jawa Ireng?

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>>51153623
>Products can't be endorsed by 2D!
Meanwhile
- Gura endorsed Taco Bell
- Hololive is well known to be a long time partner with Nissin cup noodle in advertising them
- Hololive endorsing racing event in JP
- Hololive endorsing a baseball league for the whole season
- Korone promoting mobile games, a prefecture in Japan, and literally a brand ambassador for Sega
- Talking about brand ambassador, several Holo JP and EN became Japan tourism ambassador (Miko, Fubuki, Mori, Gura)
- Gura is used to promote online class for English learning

>Market competition is too competitive!
Fuck off, all kind of youtubers are also competing hard for advertising spot.

>They don't want to show their identity!
-Moron still think that they need to show their real identity. This guy is too affected with western youtubers who obsessed with face reveal

>Claim that he's ready with salty comments from Vtuber fans
Because he's a fucking boomer who don't understand what the new media looks like? That guy is the type who still watch celeb gossip show on TV

Also
>I only know Vtuber from two members of Vshoujo
Vshoujo. Nuff said.

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>>51154005
That's a horrible solution.
First we're going to get money from uang haram
and second we will ruin the future of our country
I've been in Melbourne Australia for several years. It's like a fucking dystopia where the road going to the Casino is full of business offering service to help people with gambling addiction. We don't need that in our country.

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>>51154898
Not really. Many countries can minimalize the amount of gambling. It still exist but by making it illegal and hard to reach we can reduce gambling addicts to manageable level.

[Anonymous No.]

Fiona cute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNQKUPatH-8

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>>51156281
Woah deinal holofag ga kitta.

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>>51156281
nta, but the stuff you say is all hololive, one the biggest vtuber agency, which they can easily penetrate the mainstream media. now, can you atleast show us some local indie who got endorsed by some company (+ point if the company sells real life product and not virtual).

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>>51156760
>>51156833
I still blame local agencies for not aggressive enough to offer endorsement deals. Do you think they just sit around waiting for sponsors? Hell no, find those sponsors! Find the young target demographic (teenagers and young adults) and push for more endorsement. Sponsorship can be gained either from popularity or actively looking for them.

Do you think Hololive JP just sit around waiting for those sponsorships coming for them?

Also this defeatist attitude is typical Indonesian mentality. "Oh, no one come for us for sponsorship deal? Oh well let sulk in the corner and complain and complain and complain and blame everyone but us"

Fucking minder mentality.

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>>51156281
we talked about market condition & audience behavior in our countries.

Also, rather judge their media preferences, I'm more interested in their behavior, both from simper & normie side, as a discussion topic.

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>>51157043
You can't say that they didn't try anon, Gema tried to get Grab on board for something, Livium got Fantech for gen1 debut and in return now we're about to have Fantech Komandan edition, and don't forget what local staffs did to prolong NijiID's life back then, I'm still waiting for them to showcase that same power under DigiKagi after their AFASG entrance last year but I feel like their putting more efforts into their VN and boardgame rn

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>>51157208
Look man, I'm fucking old.
I remember back in the 90s anime is considered a niche hobby and many don't want to come out about their hobbies
Now it's 2023. Manga and anime is already a staple in Indonesia and it's no longer a secret thing.
But that guy, I know that kind of guy. He's maybe younger than me but he still came from old mentality that "2D is still not good enough for normies hurr durr"
Fuck that shit, I don't endure 28 years of being a fucking weeb in Indonesia just to see this kind of guy with his minder mentality trying to shit on new media.

It's a brave new world out there, and cowards like him is what make this country still stuck in the past decade.

Also it's pretty ironic that he shows Pewdiepie in his introduction part, Pewd is well known to change his content following change of trend in youtube. Then he knew when to retire.

Also isn't he the type who love to make videos about "This is how to become a great youtuber" even when his sub count and views are low?

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>>51127241
Reminder that Kobo streamed 47 times last July

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>>51139955
>>51133624
why did you retards

wrote

like

this

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>>51157303
At least they made some effort. It will be a slow progress but not everything come instantly.
Also, you can't just put NijiID there. It's not their fault. It's just Anykara being a black company as usual.

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>>51156833
jaret with his HP sponsorship?

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>>51156404
>Many countries can minimalize the amount of gambling
by making it legal, so the govt can put restriction
>but by making it illegal and hard to reach we can reduce gambling addicts to manageable level
lmao so like the current status quo and look what happend? gambling site is more rampant, matter of fact they now dare to advertise on public place, you never meet average indonesia who sold slot chip via facebook? check your city facebook group i guarantee you will meet someone who sold chip/coin

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what are you guys talking about?
where are the usual Deisex?
where is humbala anon?
when is the next bread?
WHERE IS MITA LEWD ASS PICT?

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>>51156833
Does Miti fantech count?

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>>51157439
Good dedication oldy! Please still support anime & vtuber world. You'll be legend.

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>featured in teh kotak ads a while back
>now HP
how did jaret do it
other than exID a while back with pocophone, i don't think any other agency even managed to snatch a deal/endorsement/sponsorship/whatever with actual rl product

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>>51157452
Kikebook spacing

[Anonymous No.]

Blame people who more prefer mainstream media but at same time begging to them for accept vtuber in mainstream scene. Kinda funny tho.

[Anonymous No.]

bump!

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>>51158938
I feel like more people know Jaret from his webcomic than as a vtuber.