/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

is vtubing more so luck or more so talent?
debate

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
>more so talent
There is no talented vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

Gura and Nyanners are the top vtubers out there right now. All you need is a cute voice and avatar and not much else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
Can't you pick a more on topic pic ?
Luck might bring exposure, but it take talent to keep it.

[Anonymous No.]

hololive's popularity is entirely based on luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083917
youre acting sussy

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
A lil bit of both

[Anonymous No.]

Luck 90%
Charisma 10% for indies.
Luck 10%
Charisma 90% for corporate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083998
based corporate chads

[Anonymous No.]

Literally all streaming is based on luck. Dedication and effort, of course, but without luck, it's all wasted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084071
cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
99% Luck and cryonism
Like in most creative field

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
It's luck and how you know
Agencies could pick anyone at random and they will still get a solid amount of fans, who will delude themselves in thinking they're not just watching because it was thrown to them and the vtuber interact with othe they watch
See the niji fish, most blatant example, she has 0 redeeming quality, just a basic zoomer spouting nonsense with no talent, yet you'll still get people pretending she's fine or even liking her

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084081
He's right tho

[Anonymous No.]

Both I would say if you are lucky enough to get noticed you need to keep the audience engaged somehow make them want to stop by the next stream, if you have no personality/charisma or something appealing these viewers will simply flock to the next hot thing, the 1 example I can think of is Uto(Yes im aware of the whole yabe no need to shit the thread) she got noticed due to certain circumstances and managed to keep the audience as much as people shitpost about the whole "leech" thing she wouldnt have gotten this big based on the tags alone she had to offer something to keep the viewers so I would say as a vtuber you need both

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>>5083913
Kizuna AI and Pekora are the top vtubers (kizuna for subs, pekora for consistent views). They're both talented entertainers, so that kinda destroys your point.

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>>5084504
You can be successful and talented. You can be successful and untalented. Both aren't related.

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>>5084500
>>5083917
Exposure bring more exposure, people stay because something is already popular
Just see people like Artemis, literally the lowest effort with no talent whatsoever, but because of timing and connections a portion still stayed and he kept high numbers for a indie.

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>>5083846
First of all, forget it if you're a guy. So there's already a 50% luck factor involved..

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083998
Correct

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084071
This

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>>5084544
Just correcting you on who you said the top vtubers are and why citing those examples don't support your point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083998
No one from HololiveEN has any charisma. It's just that EOPs are fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
There's a threshold of talent you need to pass, but after that is almost all luck and circumstance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084580
I forgot about artemis is he even doing good number wise? I really tried to watch one of his streams but I felt like I was about to sleep

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>>5084713
Ina is very charismatic in her own way and that's why she could form such a cult

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084713
you sound butthurt

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>>5084756
Depends on what you call good, I remember about 400 viewers which is very high for an indie for sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084773
She's boring. Might as well be an AI robot and no one would notice

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>>5084713
Kiara is pretty charismatic, but also just so happens to be very polarizing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084798
Yeah thats more than 99% of indies I guess different people like different things Im surprised I always assumed he would be at the 100-200 range

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084802
I like her. It just so happens that she's low energy and my dumb ADHD brain can't keep itself entertained.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
You need both, but I feel that you depend on luck the most.

The stars aligned for Subaru multiple times, you may not call it luck but without it she wouldn't have join Hololive in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084624
>First of all, forget it if you're a guy.
mega cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
Mostly on luck. My boy, Astel, has good gaming skills and voice but is still stuck in the rut. I'd argue that vtubers needs to be at least smart on how to act and market themselves better

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084855
holo gen2 is fucking wierd

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
Networking, lucky, design, personality, planning, promotion, effort, passion and dedication.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084898
Miracle of the universe

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>>5083913
nyanners has been grinding this shit for over a decade now it's not really luck if she's been building her audience for that long

[Anonymous No.]

I think it's more luck right now, because it's so hard to bridge that gap between being a nobody and being successful. it's bottlenecked down to whether a tiny handful of companies take any interest in you or not. Sure you could take a really dogshit streamer and put them in a good spot and they would underperform or a really talented streamer might be able to claw their way up into relevancy eventually, but that isn't most people. You could take the same averagely talented person and toss them on twitch with no support and they'd probably be streaming to 50 people forever, or give them a cool avatar and put them in Hololive and get thousands of live views every stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084860
>The #1 rule for streaming escapist material is cope
Yeah sure, also tell me how guys get rich easily by streaming themselves masturbating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084713
the HoloEN bunch are quite entertaining in their own way desu, though if i had to rank them:
#1 Gura
#2 Ninomai Ina'nis
#3 Amelia Watson
#4 Mori Calliope
#5 'majestic phoenix'

as for the JP side, its Kizuna at the top, followed closely by Kiryu Coco, then a tossup between Pekora, Fubuki, Korone and Matsuri, with the rest following closely behind.. They all have their own unique charm point of sorts, and quite frankly i'm annoyed at the notion of 'forced idolization' that seems to strive at stripping them of character for the sake of appeasing sponsorships, toxic critics, antis and the like.
Though, personally, if I was half a mind to try my hand at becoming a VTuber even as a guy, i'd go the independent route like ProjektMelody and make everything myself because fuck the digitrevx types.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5085016
it's pretty distinctive for Gura, who happened to be a mix of several factors in the right time

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>>5085113
>tell me how guys get rich easily by streaming themselves masturbating.
I dunno about easily but there's a huge hidden market of male ASMR and camwhoring shit like that on JP twitcast lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>5085074
>50 people forever
That's very optimistic
Breaking the 10 viewers bareer is already pretty rare and many talented people never go to more than that (especially if not a girl)

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
Luck is definitely a factor. Most of the Hololive girls are dead boring with stale repetitive content. You'll find better things to watch on twitch or elsewhere, really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5085074
This luck is the biggest factor Im sure there are a lot of talented vtubers out there but they will never be more known simply due to the fact they werent lucky

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
when you're looking at a field where a very small percentage of people takes the majority of the cake you only need a tiny bit of luck to make a huge difference on who comes out on top.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LopI4YeC4I

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>>5084580
I wouldn't use Artemis as an example for that. Considering he had to non-stop shilling himself everywhere to stay relevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5085292
>better things to watch on twitch
You're not joking right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5085506
He's an EOP, ignore him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
Both. Artemis has a fantastic model, and had a lot of luck with the start. But the troon shark has no talent whatsoever and his video views soon will be going negative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5085536
How are you gonna go and ignore the entire board like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
All entertainment is mostly luck. Only one out of however many hundreds or thousands succeed.

[Anonymous No.]

Talent and luck are the same thing. Being born with a natural aptitude for skills relevant for vtubing is as much luck as "was in the right place at the right time".
For that matter, having a voice that is appealing to listen to is also pure luck, though it technically doesn't qualify as a talent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5085719
Ok, Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf11ctcEk20

[Anonymous No.]

Relevant to this thread
https://youtu.be/3LopI4YeC4I

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>>5083846
How do you measure talent?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5085506
The quality of your content isn't related to the plateform you're streaming on, there are good streamers on both youtube, twitch, pomf etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083998
>implying that you don't have to spend all your points into luck just to get picked up by corporate in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084773
>le generic pun asian grill

[Anonymous No.]

this thread is full of coping losers
sasuga 4chan(nel)

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084811
>Kiara is pretty charismatic
Sure, I bet that's why she's the least popular of the 5.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
>ask about what it takes to get into Vtubing
>roommate talk is banned so you can't bring up the 5 years each of these girls has been grinding to get their speaking, singing, entertaining skills where they are to get lucky and get picked
sasuga schizos

no anon, these girls are all literal whos who have never streamed before, fubuki doesn't have 10 years of streaming experience on NND, Nyanners hasn't been practicing her voice and angling to get into VA work for a constant 12 years
nope they just pop out of a corporate factory ready to take your simp bucks

[Anonymous No.]

>>5086241
and then you have Subaru

[Anonymous No.]

>>5086241
To be fair, HoloEN is the antithesis to that.

[Anonymous No.]

You can be a great singer, be able to play an instrument perfectly or be a pro at a certain type of game and you'll still have to work your way up from the bottom like everyone else if you're not starting with any advantages. I think you'll grow no matter what, it's just that luck leads to exposure and that can accelerate that growth and even raise your potential ceiling.

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>>5086418
In what sense? They all have prior experience in a relevant field.

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>>5086096
the last placed model in Miss Universe is still attractive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5086241
Hololive from Gen 5 onwards, there is no luck in your success anymore. They have such a huge audience and guaranteed 100k before debut, it's solely on the entertainer to actually deliver decent content and they will be successful. Anya completely flopped on delivering content which is why her numbers are garbage, meanwhile indies out here breaking their back for 50k.
Gen1 actually had to break their backs trying to get an audience like the rest of creators, but the immense success was started by youtube algorithm luck. I'd say a more accurate ratio for luck to skill is 70:30. Hololive talents really capitalized on the increased overseas audience compared to all other vtubers and they stole that market by a landslide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5086418
HoloEN:
>professional artist
>meme video maker who went viral multiple times and had a million subs
>musician who had been making music and animating for 3-4 years
>streamer who had been doing consistent streams since 2016
>idol and professional translator who has been in the amateur idol industry for at least 3-4 years

[Anonymous No.]

>>5085229
This. I sometimes stream for shits and giggles and its a maximum of around twelve people, average around 4-6

[Anonymous No.]

>>5086520
The luck comes in being selected from the pool of applicants.

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>>5086556
there is no luck, HoloEN was literally them picking the most appealing/largest channels in each category of applicants and mashing them together
it's why people bitch about no chemistry, they're all massive on their own but have no interest working with each other

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083998
true
>>5085976
also true

[Anonymous No.]

>>5086520
no anon, most of Fubuki viewers are obviously from her days on NND, you're wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>5086556
Yeah that's what I meant to say, kinda got diluted. Cover is the luck now, for the older gens that luck was the YT algorithm and clippers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5086585
it doesn't help that they live in 3 different continents

[Anonymous No.]

>>5086590
the back pedal begins
sasuga

[Anonymous No.]

>>5086585
>HoloEN was literally them picking the most appealing/largest channels
>sachiowo
retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>5086485
No they don't. Ame is the only one with streaming experience (No, HER's drunken 5 viewer streams are not experience), and she's somewhat mediocre at collabing despite it.

The others are all useless pieces of shit. "muh art muh singing" is something nobody cares about if the person is as entertaining as a rock.

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>>5086712
There is no way you're gonna turn down a professional level artist and singer just because the personality isn't all there. That's beyond a waste of clear talent. Besides, even if the girl is dull you can always hope that she carves a niche out for herself and gets by with that.

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>>5086712
>The others are all useless pieces of shit.
Anonchama you need to calm down. I know you're pissed nobody watching you but you shouldn't disrespect other effort like that. It making you look like a real lil bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083913
>Nyanners
She suck, go home faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5086693
>twitch partner who's been streaming since the overwatch beta came out
>none of the ENs have any streaming experience
blow me faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
>more so luck or more so talent
I raise you: neither

[Anonymous No.]

>>5086073
Opposite, people who make it (thanks to luck, where they're born, who they know) delude themselves into thinking it was their own work
Similar to how survivor biais work
I got a very comfortable job with no pressure and a good salary but I know I was simply put in the right place and time to get it

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>>5086520
>Hololive from Gen 5 onwards, there is no luck in your success anymore.
There's luck in getting picked. I hear the meme lion and the sad clown brought a lot to the table, but who knows what the other tens of thousand of applicants had to offer?

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>>5086590
If the Foob had 10k devoted viewers back on NND, she'd have never left.

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>>5083998
That is true to a certain extend. It's true for the old corpos, like the first four generations of Hololive, but after that, and especially with EN, there's neither luck or charisma needed.
Basically, "You're a holo now, congratulations, enjoy your audience and 5 million dollars"

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084802
>>5086052
*rapes you*

[Anonymous No.]

>>5086590
How big would Fubuki be now if she'd started in 2018 as a streamer with thousands of viewers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5086494
Not necessarily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083998
Generally a good rule of thumb, but this is exaggerated. You'll need fair chunk of luck for corporate interviewing/hiring process, and you'll need a fair chunk of charisma to get returning viewers as an indie.

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>>5087554
Yeah. If i joined holo, you sure would watch me.
Maybe for a month then i will be publicly executed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5086712
Ina streamed her drawing for years, what are you on

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084713
you will never be japanese
japanese people will always think you're a loud, smelly, disgusting, lazy piece of shit foreigner

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>>5085387
Pretty much this. There are also youtubers and twitter people who say you'll need a few viral videos/tweets to become successful and these are mostly based on luck. I think Tom Scott was one of them. With how many videos are put out daily, it's impossible to stick out all by yourself. Collabs help in that regard, which is why Hololive is so successful since the girls are lifting each other up. But even they are just boosting themselves with a few lucky viral videos like Fubuki's short videos or probably Korone with her cute noises.

But on the other side there's also Nene who just sent in application after application until Cover accepted her. Still, her overall success is still a consequence of hololive's success. Not to mention a global pandemic probably helping all of them a ton. I doubt they'd be nowhere near as big as they are now without it. At least not with several >1 million subs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5088069
Now go and post that on Kiara's chat, because she's certainly the one that needs to know that.

[Anonymous No.]

the problem people have is in saying it's all luck when that's false
All vtubers who are successful worked for years to build up to that point
All vtubers who get accepted to cover or other big orgs have a history of working up their skills and content
not everyone who works up their content for years gets to work for cover, 20,000 of them get rejected every time around in applications at Cover, Niji, etc
it's luck to get accepted but not luck to be in consideration

saying "it's all luck" is a fucking cope, the biggest cope I've heard on this board

[Anonymous No.]

it's a saturated as fuck field, of course luck is going to get you a LOT further than effort nowadays.
Hell, even in the very beginning there was a lot of luck involved, remember the Christmas Miracle?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5087554

Based and truthpilled. When Gura reached 1m first, how could anyone believe that it was because she was *that* charismatic/talented/entertaining? She, along with all of the other EN idols, rides atop the shoulders on Hololive's first 4 gens. Gen 6 will just get 1 million subscribers right at the very gate at this rate.

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>>5083846
>debate
I don't feel like it

[Anonymous No.]

>>5085976
Just getting selected into hololive is not a golden ticket. They only got 60 applicants for gen 5.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5088417
It's really down to luck anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>5088417
I think of it as a lottery and you need talent and effort to get more lottery tickets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5088417
For every successful vtuber (and artist in general) you have a thousand who worked just as hard and are just as good who will never make it.
It's luck moreso than the rest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5088602
>how could anyone believe that she did it because she was that good?
I don't know, maybe because her last channel hit 1m subs before she joined Hololive?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5088417

>All vtubers who are successful worked for years to build up to that point

Saying it's "all" luck is incredulous, but so is making a senseless statement like this. "All" vtubers who are successful worked hard for years? Look at EN, lmao. They got their $$$ by just managing to hit the right balance between quirky/deferential enough when applying to Cover.

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>>5088785
>>5086542
retard

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>>5083846
Women have no talent in entertainment or doing anything funny you fucking idiot, it's all luck and pandering.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5088803

>streamer who had been doing consistent streams since 2016

setting the bar fucking low for Amelia, huh? You can literally come up with no-names that have maybe a few dozen watchers that fill the same description above

[Anonymous No.]

>>5088602
Because Gura literally already did it before? Gura's runaway growth has almost nothing to do with Hololive anymore. She has almost twice as many subs as the next closest Holo. meaning, most of the people do not watch any Hololive at all besides Gura herself. She hasn't been on the same screen as a member of the JP branch since early November.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5088919
Amelia must likely got in solely because of cronyism (Gura demanded she join).

[Anonymous No.]

>>5088919
>he keeps backpedaling this hard
la mao

[Anonymous No.]

>>5088919
What are you saying? They all had a portfolio before joining hololive. That is their work towards the 1 million, they just got a shortcut through hololive. But even aside from that both Kiara and Calli lived and worked in Japan for several years. One did cosplay, idol and streaming and got fluent in three languages in the process, the other in music production.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5088851
let me know when you learn 3 languages fluently, get gud at cosplay, and then work in japan for 3 years ok anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5088778
that's not true

[Anonymous No.]

>>5089158

>3 languages fluently
I'll give you this one, that's an accomplishment
>get gud at cosplay
lol, so a third of /cgl/ then. It's literally learning how to sew and cutting wigs
>work in japan for 3 years
college losers can do this via the JET program, hint, it's a fucking shitty job that goes nowhere

yep, you're an 18-25, aren't you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5086644
>>5087547
>>5087673
I think I should've made my sarcasm more obvious

[Anonymous No.]

But being talented IS pure luck...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084504
>Pekora
pekora is the ultra famous in akihabara miko iosis ofc she was going to make it in the vtuber business.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5089238
It's modelling, not making cosplays. I doubt a third of /cgl/ can make a profit out of modelling. The fluency in three languages isn't even that big of a deal for weebs outside of English speaking countries. It still takes a great deal to learn moon sure, but English is basically a given. You'll meet tons of such cases in Japan if you want to. And the JET program won't help you get into hololive either.

You're below 18 then, aren't you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5088771
wrong

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>>5089158
Languages are not a talent, they're a skill at best that turn into nothing else but a commodity shortly after you got REALLY adjusted to them.
Nobody thinks you have any sort of talent if you know how to speak English for example since most people are somewhat expected to already know it seeing as it's an international language.
Knowing Japanese doesn't really matter for most people since they don't give a shit about it as it's only spoken in one country and has almost no proper international uses like English does.

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>>5089399

different anon, but I find that people who live in countries where English is taught as a second language in school are just as bad at it as amerimutts are. The only people who are actually somewhat fluent in English outside of English-speaking countries are Europeans and (surprisingly) Indians. Japanese people can't speak English for shit.

source: lived in Japan for 2 years

[Anonymous No.]

>>5089527

big typo,
edit: amerimutts are at speaking Spanish

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
Talent to entertain.
Luck to make it big.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5089527
>The only people who are actually somewhat fluent in English outside of English-speaking countries are Europeans
Can support this claim. I'm Eastern European and since the age of 8 and past I've constantly been told I'm really good at English by teachers, then classmates as well. (In reality however I was just trying really hard to fake a British Accent for a while out of boredom, I knew it was shit but they somehow thought it was legit.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>5089527
Yeah, because they don't need to learn it for entertainment etc. Most euros simply pick up English because it's relatively close to their own language and/or because half the entertainment is available in English. Especially as a weeb, it's way easier to just read and watch stuff in English. Even then, Kiara's accent is pretty low. Many from the big European countries still have a way thicker accent than her.

Even then, there are a few Japanese who can speak English well enough. Some may still be slower or with an accent, but it's generally good enough. But I wasn't really thinking of Japanese when I was saying non-English speaking weebs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
Be like Pekora

>Unique traits (laugh)
>Interesting debut (pekora rap)
>Charismatic
>Very good comedic timings
>Manages to attract every single public
>Actively researches ways of making her lives better by looking at other famous streamers

The result is: She's the Holo with the most viewers per stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>5089174
>thinking you can bait like this
no

[Anonymous No.]

Both are needed, but they're not equal, depending on where in the 'growth' part you are.

Moving into vtubing, they either have fans already (generally as an artist, youtube vids, twitter shitposter); or they're a nobody.

But getting fans in the first place, even if that's pre-vtubing, is luck reliant. You'll start off with no resources, no way of getting people to come into your stream, short of shilling it everywhere and hoping people check it out. They have to find a way of getting people in, which is going to be luck based, as there's no underlying fanbase.

Once you've got fans, there's still luck involved, but charisma becomes more important. Maybe other people are seeing clips, or they're appearing higher in the rankings/front page, as there's more viewer retention. Keeping these viewers is important, because if they go, you're back to square one.

Luck remains important though - even if they're the world champ at whatever game they're playing, if none of the fans care enough to share them extra hard, it's just hoping people stumble on the stream.

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>>5089957
you build up a community by being entertaining and accumulate people as they by chance click the stream, come in a raid, etc and follow then come back
it's not some arcane science it just takes a long time even after you're comfortable and competent at streaming

[Anonymous No.]

>>5089894
huh? her channel didn't hit 1M before hololive, it still had more subs than any holo but no 1M

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084811
>Kiara is pretty charismatic
That's why she spent a decade desperately trying to become a somebody, right?
Someone charismatic wouldn't have taken even a quarter as long. And she spent so much time on desperation-mode that even now that she's finally attained success she still reeks of desperation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5085016
Ye, but Nyanners was not a Vtuber, she hopped in once she noticed it was becoming famous

[Anonymous No.]

>>5090222
no one was a vtuber until 3 years ago, your oshi probably didn't even know what a vtuber was until 2018-2019 at the earliest

[Anonymous No.]

>>5088069
I AM HONORARY JAPANESE, GAIJIN SCUM

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>>5086096
Gura is not funny, her jokes are cringy, she doesn't do any collabs, yet she's the most popular of the 5.

What is your point?

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>>5088778
The reason she reacher 1m subs on her old channel had nothing to do with her streaming experience, it was because of her satirical songs that became viral. All she ever did on streams was talking shit while being drunk, and now she can't even do that anymore.

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>>5090483
>Gura only hit 1 million subs because she was in hololive and leeched off my japanese waifus
>no it can't be that she already hit that level of popularity and just used her knowledge of going viral to go viral again
cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>5090342
She is more charismatic than chicken, obviously. You stupid or something? It couldn't be much more clear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5091015

>She is more charismatic than chicken, obviously. You stupid or something?

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>>5091520

[Anonymous No.]

Like most everything, it's luck. Gura got popular out of luck because (if I recall correctly) she was the first EN to debut. That called the people making memes of practically every breath she takes. People started watching her ironically, but then it became unironic. Also a lot of people like lolis, for some reason. Where are my mommy vtubers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
it's about getting hired by the right company because the average vtuber fan is a retard who will eat up anything if hololive shits it out

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
>is vtubing more so luck or more so talent?
brand
per example both haato and coco have new accounts this year that are not even 5% as succeful as the cover ones

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084773
I semi like Ina, but "charisma" is not a word I'd use to describe her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5091679
Mio

[Anonymous No.]

>>5091679
>Gura got popular out of luck because (if I recall correctly) she was the first EN to debut.
lol, no

initially she was one of the least popular ENs but then everyone realized who she was and she started getting shit loads of momentum from past life subs

[Anonymous No.]

>>5091960
I'm still waiting for Sen to return, yeah she had depression but at least she wasn't as fake

[Anonymous No.]

>>5091960
Gura was always the most popular though, her avatar instantly made her the most subbed when her account got created

[Anonymous No.]

>>5096159
Yeah, IIRC it was Gura far ahead, then Ame, Mori, Ina and finally Kiara
Barely moved ever since aside from ame/mori switching

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083846
Neither. Be female.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5096394
>50/50 chance
So it is luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>5088919
the real trick was finding a normal game streamer with a decent sized audience to fit that intended niche, who hasn't posted their retarded political opinions on twitter

[Anonymous No.]

>>5083863
Can we make this a banner, please?

[Anonymous No.]

Mixture. Luck gets peoples attention, but talent and effort (a third factor lazy autists want to pretend doesn't exist) gets them to stay. You can have the best connections on earth willing to thrust you into the spotlight, but still end up having a less successful career than an indie with the right amount of tenacity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5098321
Too weak. The groomer post from a few months ago is much better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5085122
>Kiara at the bottom
Why is this still a meme

[Anonymous No.]

Like everything, a part is knowing the right people. Hololive makes it a lot easier because of their platform if you just want to be a successful chuuba, identity be damned. That's some luck, but also a good deal of social skills and proof of talent. Overall, the luck-skill balance leans toward skill slightly, just like any livestreaming. Luck and friends in high places can help, but it's not the end all. If you are entertaining, people will come.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5089894
She reached 1 million on Oct 25, a month and 2 weeks after Gura's debut. She was at about 950K when she debuted and gained 50K in that time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5086889
He obviously wasn't complimenting them. He's saying they have top-tier NUMBERS despite not having much else.
I somewhat disagree but that's another point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5088417

>All vtubers who get accepted to cover or other big orgs have a history of working up their skills and content

shuba......

[Anonymous No.]

>>5088969
aint no problem with that. Hololive gets some of its best talents and groupings through cronyism.

[Chumguts !!0bu8Os0XKEn No.]

luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084504
elaborate this "talent" you speak of.

[Chumguts !!0bu8Os0XKEn No.]

>>5083846
more like luck and memes, i guess?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5084773
this

[Anonymous No.]

>>5087180
Fucking lol whoever that is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118952
It's me and a couple buddies channel, we stream mostly for each other and banter and sometimes randos drop in. Wildly different streamers and games means no consistency so no one sticks around, it's not a mystery