/fig/ - Fighting Idols global

[Anonymous No.]

/fig/ meeting at Evo 2024 (colorized) - Edition

>What is /fig/?
/fig/ is a thread for viewers to find, share, and discuss idol vtubers who play fighting games, either from large companies, small ones, or indies, as well as to discuss fighting games about Hololive and other vtubers in general.

>So is this thread about fighting games or Idol showdown?
Neither: this is a thread about idols and fighting games.

>But what is an idol?
An idol is something unobtainable and moe that makes your kokoro go doki doki (WIP)

>Idol Showdown wiki
https://wiki.gbl.gg/w/Idol_Showdown

>IS patch notes & Beta builds and Twitter Tech
https://steamdb.info/app/1742020/patchnotes/
https://twitter.com/IdolShowdown/status/1660016297164390405
https://pastebin.com/XQtD5D1y

>Glossary of Fighting Terms
https://glossary.infil.net/

>Hololive Smash Clone fangame
https://twitter.com/AoiSora_3D

>Fighting Idols
Inugami Korone
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChAnqc_AY5_I3Px5dig3X1Q
Give her your fingers
Coyote
https://www.youtube.com/@Coyote_KemoV
Coyo from Kemono Friends, likes Tekken.
Shimada Tiger
www.twitch.tv/shimadatiger (embed) (tiger) (tiger) (tiger uppercut) (tiger) (tiger)
Genki Tiger who likes SFV, SFVI and Guilty Gear
Yoisaki Nadeshiko (artist formerly known as Nade)
https://www.twitch.tv/NadeshikoVT
Comfy witch with an obsession over GBVS and other anime fighters
Rie Himemiya
youtube.com/@HimemiyaRie
Cute princess who recently picked up Strive, has played Idol Showdown on stream
Fumiko Hoshi.
https://www.twitch.tv/fumi
Plays Strive and Under Night. She's very nice and she doesn't get tilted.

>are non idols ok?
As long as they are playing idol Showdown yes I guess? We need to figure that one out

>"FT10 NOOB!" "My oshi can beat your oshi!"
Take that somewhere else, this thread is full of newbies who just want to play the funny idol game. Be nice.

>How do I git gud (Youtube videos)
https://pastebin.com/pnzsYe4C

>Discord alternative for hosting tournament only (DO NOT USE UNLESS YOU PLAN TO HOST):
https://y99.in/r/1061387

>News for June 2 2023

-Balance patch coming up: https://twitter.com/IdolShowdown/status/1664602774997463041
People who dropped the game because of Aki might return.
-Street Fighter VI is OUT! The thread will live!
- Mori is preparing an Idol Showdown tournament ANY MOMENT SOON (SOON) (SOON) (NOOS)(SOON) (SOON)
- First /vt/ tournament soon!
- Shimada releases controversial statement: "insulting your opponent is insulting yourself", /ggg/ in shambles
- Nadeshiko delaying important announcement enough to literally not be included in the op! Literally been talking about GGG lore for the past 20 minute
- Coyodachis banned from tournaments after abusing the miracle of sandstar for dopping
- Rie is streaming anything but fightan. Uh, she sure streams
- Fumiko Hoshi entering rehab for addiction to Millia. "it's cocaine fast" says local /fig/ doctor/
- Opinion: Forecasters predict a day will come when there will be intense OP wars. Any time soon...
-No one reads the OP so bakers can literally write anything here, for example: I do my laundry on saturdays(?) why did you want to know that
- I am God Dog
-Today confidence status: Confidence storm in the horizon

>Tiermaker of characters
https://tiermaker.com/create/idol-showdown-characters-86484

>tigers
>https://www.twitch.tv/zoolifetiger (install) (install) (install) (install) (yubi) (yubi) (install)

And remember: No discords, no names, no fighting. Only idols and love.

Other useful threads
>>>/vt/hfz/
>>>/vt/ybc/
>>>/vt/fps
>>>/vt/tsunx/
>>>/vt/doog/
>>>/vt/pcg/
>>>/vt/tekken/ Tuesdays/ (only on Tuesdays)

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>>50464558
Nade still stalling...

[Anonymous No.]

did the announcement literally 30s after the op was posted but ye it wasnt fighting game related

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>>50631583
Yeah, it's for a 6 hour redebut with new costume + revamped everything

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>>50629265
Why would you release a big patch like that the day after SFVI release?

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Yay CHAINS KORONE I DID IT

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>>50631994
so everyone is too busy to complain

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Devs better include Luna or there Will be consequences

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>>50632968
I appreciate your dedication Luna beggar anon

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>Coyodachis banned from tournaments after abusing the miracle of sandstar for dopping
This is outrageous, I need it for my death combos!

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>>50633931
we have a saying in these parts: "el que no llora no mama"

Ultimately a jp dev would include Luna because she is a hueg 5ch meme but westerns get filtered
I have to show there is massive spic support at least, Luna is the KOF of hololive

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Life is hard for aki...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5KGRUQgi84

[Anonymous No.]

Make Rushia as a playable character that plays like Orochi Leona or Orochi Iori

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>>50635150
Rushia seems like a hard sell... Coco left in good terms but...

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>>50635150
I would prefer a moveset similar to C-Moon Nanaya myself. You can probably insert a reference into the 214 teleport moves though

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>>50635425
The moveset is pretty cool, I'm for it, just make Rushia ferocious in some ways like Orochi Iori than I'm fine with it. I would even be okay with just having sher cream in her win screen when performing after her instant kill move.

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So any other holos playing SFVI

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>>50636845
Looking at the schedule doesn't look like it for now. One of the homos will be playing Melty Blood though apparently.

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>>50637324
Time to check on twitch then

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>>50632393
Omedeto

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>>50636845
Luna will probably play soon

[Anonymous No.]

breathe

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>>50641691
Don't forget to do your breathing reps
Breath in breath out

[Pope Ina the fighter No.]

Confess

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>>50644797
I've spent more time labbing 6 then I have idol showdown
and that I want to fuck Lily

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>>50645078
which lily

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>>50631994
>Why would you release a big patch like that the day after SFVI release?
Because retards were already dropping the game because a week, just over a week, went by without a patch and the doomposters wouldn't shut the fuck up about it.
Better to announce it now with a firm date in place before people get too deeply into Street Fighter and forget Idol Showdown exists at all. Sites like eventhubs refused to cover this game whatsoever, so no boost would come from places like that either no matter the timing. And the devs always have the new character drops to hype the game up again anyway, a balance patch is not as hype inducing as you seem to think.

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>>50645114

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>>50630415
went to bed right as you posted this but I have delivered

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>>50644797
I only played one character and complained about her state in balance without trying any others and weighting how their execution may be harder.

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>>50646321
Kek pretty good

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>>50646431
many such cases

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>>50644797
SF6 looks like an incredibly gay game with the most off-putting marketing I have ever seen for a fighter and I have no interest in it. Rather play Idol Showdown until Tekken 8 drops.

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>>50651631
when does tekken 8 drops?

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>>50644797
I don't have any romantic feelings for any vtubers in general but Shimada ASMR is fucking dangerous

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>>50651723
>when does tekken 8 drops?
No release date yet. But I'm guessing this fall.

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>>50652646
we might be saved after all

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alright why can't i do this shit, this is NOT cancelling

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Hey fumi is playing SFVI now
https://www.twitch.tv/fumi
She does play fighting games

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>>50652646
We'll be lucky if they make it by Christmas. But maybe with the pressure from SF6 and MK12 they're going to go the trendy route of shipping half a game and adding stuff to it over the next year with DLC and patches

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>>50656974
Try doing 2+MK - 236+P - 236+K

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>>50658724
she sounds a bit like Fran Dresher from the nanny
Where is that accent from, new york?

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SHIMADA IN SF6 VTUBER TOURNEY!!!!!!! CHEER ON OUR GIRL

https://www.twitch.tv/sarinapenguina

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>>50660098
>Fran Dresher
Kek I hear it

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>>50660311
she didnt cheat practice on the beta like everyone else, she's going to get wrecked isnt she

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>>50652646
i hope you're right

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>>50660845
she got pretty far all things considered
fourth place?

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>>50652646
>>50659239
Tekken 8 is not coming this year. The current Tekken World Tour is still on T7 and the finals will be on early 2024, it makes zero reason for them to release the new game when they're hosting a big tournament for the previous installment.

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>>50662601
I dont actually understand how these brackets work in respect to positioning

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>>50662746
Is Coyo just going to tekken 7 until release?

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Hey mogu is also streaming SF6
https://www.twitch.tv/mogu

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>>50662996
You need to lose twice before getting eliminated, so for the overall winner you look at the winner's bracket, and the runner-up and everyone else look at the loser's bracket. In this case without knowing where the full rankings list is I think she's maybe 5th or so?

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>>50664300
Also if win Loser's final you have a chance to snatch first from the Loser's side of the bracket. From the looks of it Shimada broke into top 8 after a strong run in Loser's.

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>>50631487

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I'm having an issue installing training++. All I have to do is follow the steps for bepinex and then put the dll in the plug in folder, right? Am I missing something?

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manon is so fucking fun holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

I think I figured out the secret of why Ayame's rekka confirm is so fucky. It may be intentional but it's pretty unintuitive unless you see the actual hitbox data.

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>>50678039
The only thing I’m aware of is the fact that the second hit has less range than the first one, at least for the light one.

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>>50678141
This is basically it. The issue is a different thing though.

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>>50678632
Basically any hit from the rekka onto the upper hitbox does not register as a hit. This may be a common thing in fighting games I didn't know about (I basically only dabbled into hitbox fuckery in super turbo and only for a brief period of time) which would explain why I'd see my rekka go through my target without doing anything. I assumed it was Unity being dogshit but it could be just me not timing it well enough figuring I'd be hitting. It's probably not as noticeable with Korone but with other characters it lead to some enraging situations.

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look at this dood

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>>50678840
I dunno what it is but the game has fucky interactions in certain scenarios. Like the fact that Botan’s cart is only punishable half of the time despite being -11.

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>>50663862
Probably or even post release if she wants to continue broader viewer participation or enter more tournaments keeping T7 in the line up. T7 on steam regularly goes on sale for cheap, and you can find it on other sites for about the same sale price when it's not, that's helped bring a lot of new players to the game. I can't imagine most of the new player coyodachi shelling out 60 or more bucks for T8 on launch.
I hope she takes a diversion to try out Idol Showdown for more than one stream before then or let Dr. Coyo play MK12

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>>50679028
I think the main culprit in this interaction is 2H which causes different reactions depending on how it hits. That coupled with how easy it is to follow up a rekka with one single button and buffering means if you're unlucky you can commit wrong and whiff into your long ass 3rd rekka recovery with nothing to cancel into and being right next to your waking up opponent free to do whatever they want to you all on what you assumed was a guaranteed follow up.
I guess I just need to be less twitchy and commit less though with inputs sometimes not being read I'm too used to mashing the same key to guarantee it does what I ask it to.

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>>50679231
Idol Showdown Coyo will happen after fig tournament you heard it here first

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>>50681023
I believe this too

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How do you unlock all costumes for korone? I have one missing and its not the virual frontier one
I think?

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>>50634820
Luna beggar, what do you think of sakuemonq working on Luna's moveset at the moment? https://twitter.com/sakuemonq/status/1664776786797039616

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>>50683355
It's always Arcade+Virtual Frontier

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>>50683355
4 unlocks after clearing virtual frontier, 5 after playing 10 matches local/online, 6 after clearing arcade

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>>50683524
I saw that and it was pretty cool.

Like I said, Japanese developers will always go for luna for the meme value but here in the west she gets the cold shoulder from the meme fandom nanora.

I dont know if any holofighting games will be released after this one if I was a developer I would probably give up.

Also if anyone wants some early morning fight with a south american I am here and i got a couple of hours

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>>50683524
Looking forward to this, the sprites are so good

[Anonymous No.]

winning this with chains becomes considerably easier after you understand the item meta

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>>50683685
> in the west she gets the cold shoulder from the meme fandom

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>>50685298
Gimme the deets, closest I got was when I had the deal 500% more damage but die in 10 seconds item

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>>50685694
meter boost items + idol dress + roboco laser spam
ai doesnt quite understand how super works and always falls for it

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https://youtube.com/live/4f2shNS4T1w
Pekkers playing Soul Calibur 6 by the way

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>>50686376
>Characters are hololive idols
cute

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>>50686356
As a side note, there's a glitch that hasn't been fixed. There's a consumable that gives you infinite superchat meter, but the consumable activates if you have Garlic but doesn't get used up, giving you infinite superchat meter on every fight that isn't that Mumei Suisei. Dunno if that works for the regular meter version too.

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Coyo doing Tekken guerrilla
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dZ2PB8Rt2c

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Naaaaa

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>>50685694
for ayame had to try something different
anya+notes+gloves+proyectiles+ combo spam

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by the way I am missing a stage to unlock?
I already got the sunset one

[Anonymous No.]

Ok someone tell me if shining axotols are even real cause I never gotten one in any of rthe runs

[Anonymous No.]

FUCK YOU AXOTOL FUCK YOU
JUST GIVE ME AN OPTION TO ROLL ALL MY MONEY

[Anonymous No.]

fuck all axotols

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Botan is kind of bullshit in perspective even more than aki

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https://twitter.com/IdolShowdown/status/1664995351189925890
https://twitter.com/IdolShowdown/status/1664995498879533057
Patch is live

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>>50690820
>Coco rework
Oh fuck, they better not remove the stuff I liked about her.

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>>50690820
>We feel that Risu was underperforming, so we let her run you over with her truck while you’re on the ground
T-thanks

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>Coco unironically got the biggest nerfs of every character in the game
Why. She was memed as a bottom tier, but now she's actually bottom tier. Jesus fucking christ.

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>>50690820
Thoughts about the changes?

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I dont even know how to play characters anymore I just know what items work

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>>50692189
Some of the changes are good, but some are so buttfucking retarded and I can't believe this shit. Some of the system changes are good. But the balancing is weird. Botan is still almost as busted as she used to be, Sora is still fucking ridiculous, the fact that they removed grab combos is baffling when they weren't even broken. This version of Coco is so shit, she lost everything. Your parents going out for milk is better than 1.3 Coco. Being forced to live inside of someone's asshole for the rest of your life is better than 1.3 Coco. I can't believe this shit.

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0 fucks given

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>>50693255
>Your parents going out for milk is better than 1.3 Coco. Being forced to live inside of someone's asshole for the rest of your life is better than 1.3 Coco. I can't believe this shit.
so this is a metaphor for kson...

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>>50692189
None worth mentioning since I'm not that good at fighting games to be able to tell how stuff will be just from patch notes. Can't see where in the patch notes the anon above is complaining about for example. Burst giving SC in neutral and combos and instant block having decreased block stun is interesting though. Doggo 6M now being a Mid hit and the increased range of 2M looks interesting, need to test that.

>>50692301
Keep going so I can get the motivation to grind Virtual Frontier out

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>>50693774
Just sora left but she is proving harder than expected

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>>50693774
Some of the stuff isn't in the patch notes, I tested it myself. I don't even know if it's a bug or not but it sucks.

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THERE
WASTED ALL MY MORNING BUT EVERY SINGLE COSTUME UNLOCKED
FUCK AXOTOLS

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>>50695021
The lesson is accumulate money

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>>50690820
>>50692189
This game feels more and more like one big, elaborate Coco-Anti project. I don't need her to be toptier I need her to be competitive at least dev...

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>>50694206
Do try and forward a complaint to the devs if it isn't in the patch notes, could just be a bug

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>Fixed Rollback issue that would occur on KO where the camera would remain zoomed in after a KO.

You fuck this it cost me like 2 matches

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>Adjusted Down Down Motion Input detection.
This is actually an Aki buff

[Anonymous No.]

> All QCF Specials
- BUGFIX: resolved issue where you would continue the rekka when attempting to Superchat cancel into a different special move.
>All QCB Specials
- Oni Flip (far) - Flip arcs have been adjusted. Can now superchat cancel after landing on the ground.
Pretty good. I'd have to see how the new superchat gains look in action. Shin Demon Cutter nerfs kinda suck but it was her best ability after all. I still want my mix up though.

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Someone told me any fighting game wasnt worth learning a month in until they did the balance patches
he was right

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>>50678911
Ok that's much better

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How's aki? Is her back teleport reactable now?

[Anonymous No.]

> All QCF Specials
>- Will now provide superchats for each motion input of the rekka. The amount given will decrease for each subsequent attack of the rekka. The exact amount given is different depending on the variant used.
I assume the numbers on this are placeholders because it always goes 3>2>1 no matter what which is pretty insignificant. Welcome change though.
I'll likely bitch about the HP change when I actually get matches.

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>>50698210
>All Teleport Specials - Startup increased 9f -> 14f.
>DDL/M/H - Elven Flash (all grounded variations) - Invincibility frames reduced 9f -> 2f.
>DD LHold - Elven Flash (all variations) - Recovery is now slower then the Tap variant by 5f.
>All Hold Variants of Teleport - All kicks will now have ‘head’ property. This would result in the kicks whiffing on characters who are performing their Down H attacks.

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>>50698210
It always was you just need to spam M

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>>50644797
I want to play SF6 but I am too poor to buy it

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>>50698392
I did that but because I was facing forward while spamming it she just teleported behind me mid animation and did a 60 hit combo I cannot tech out of.

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Have they mentioned when are they revealing the new characters thou

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>>50698750
No because that takes a lot of time

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Wow this patch looks like it sucks. I wouldn't be surprised if the game dies soon after this

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>>50701596
you get used to it

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Most dead hour up us...
Tell us some thing fun about either IS or SFVI to pass the time

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>>50701596
Nah, it doesn't suck. It's mostly a mixed bag and it's in beta so they could still fix stuff.

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>>50701596
I still don't get how Botan only got a fucking slap on the wrist. They didn't even change her combos at all. She still does almost half your life off of a simple meterless combo she can perform from any of her mediums. They wanted her to be high risk, high reward but she's still not high risk in any way. And in a way, they fucking buffed her because now she can spend superchat to make cart safe.

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So we agree suisei is the cutest one now right?

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>>50704077
That's not a buff. It was already safe with no strings attached, now it actually costs resources to use the cart instead of having it completely for free.

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>>50704638
Probably. Isn't her EX-oki a 50% chance to do another full combo because you can only block high or low against it? How strong are oki projectiles in other fightans?

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>>50704752
It did get nerfed, but SCC lets it do things the old one couldn't. It's -11 on block so technically, it's unsafe but a bug made it harder to punish. Now, you can SCC into grenade or backflip on any of the hits so there's a bunch of mixups you have to deal with if she has any SC meter.

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>>50704638
always has been

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>>50704638
I don't need her to be the cutest
I need her to be the strongest

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>>50704825
Being able to cancel is no different from every other character being rewarded from SC. This makes Botan more in-line with characters instead of having a shopping cart that gave her everything for free. The issue with Botan isn't her options, it's her dumb damage output and some things being safe with no cost.

And some things hitting where they shouldn't (which is getting addressed in this patch thankfully)

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>>50704638
It's still Botan.
Just allow Aki and Botan's wall bounces to be teched out of. Why is my jump mid normal techable but the huge ass wall bounce after ten hours of punishment followed by another ten hours not? They nerfed other characters' long ass combos by allowing people to tech out of them, I'm not sure why it's not the case with Aki/Botan.

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>>50705053
Also she 100% got nerfed, her zoning took a massive hit. Her headshot used to cover so much, you couldn't even approach her because a single move could hit you if you jumped, crouched, and tried to move forward. She also got to spam grenades since there wasn't a limit to the amount of what could be on screen.

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>>50705148
They probably don't want to sacrifice all the sauce in their game. It's why they made an assist untechable. They want diverse and interesting routes.

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>>50705053
In terms of combo application, it's more limited which I'll agree with. Not being frame 2 also hurts it in terms of its application as a wake-up option. But it is safer on block, which means you can't get punished for throwing it out haphazardly like before. I'm not saying she didn't get nerfed at all, but it's definitely a slap on the wrist compared to what she should have gotten.

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>aki mains doomposting that she is coco-tier now
I now remember why I don't interact with the FGC community

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>>50705592
I'm doomposting Coco right now, anyone that thinks Aki is Coco tier doesn't know how fucking bad Coco is compared to before.

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>>50705350
It's safer specifically for a cost, that's no different from Suisei and everyone else throwing out unsafe moves/specials and getting to cancel away for something else. This is specifically rewarding the player the same way as everyone else: playing the game correctly and building meter from it, which is good game design. Botan's issues stem entirely from some lopsided hitboxes/zoning and damage output being a bit too rewarding. That's it. She should be allowed to have options otherwise we'll have a sauceless game.

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>>50705252
That's cool but the diverse and interesting routes are given to the two strongest, safest and most versatile characters in the game while the characters that have to commit and have few options eat dirt.

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>wanted to check the Twitter tags to see if anyone is reacting there
>just noticed it's gone from the OP
Ketchup man pls

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>>50705688
She has a lot of options already. It's an armored move on a zoner, taking your turn back is already good. She already has plenty of sauce and most other defensive moves are just as flawed anyways, like Korone and Fubuki DPs have atrocious hitboxes.

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>>50705835
I doubt that considering Sora got a whole new move to have her music notes explode midair, further adding to her routes. Coco's also getting a rework of mechanics and options.

[Anonymous No.]

I really hate when fighting devs think that their characters need a whole ass rework instead of letting the game marinate and let the community figure out how to get around how to beat a character
Like I understand the Aki nerf's but why the fuck would you need to change shit that makes a character unique

>Botan can only fill the screen with 1 grenade at a time
>FBK 50/50 jA instead overhead into tatsu combo only on SSR
>Coco not being able to combo into grab

I think this game has enough systems in place to help you leverage out the disadvantages you might have when fighting a character especially with the collab/assist system exists.
I'm sorry for the group of small pea brain players who don't understand they can switch up tactics to leverage them a win but letting them dictate the entirety of what should be changed is stupid.

I know this type of rant is repeated to death but fuck man, don't kill the parts of your game's identity that fast. Reconsider is all I can say

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>>50706022
Her "sauce" is the exact same optimal combo spammed 24/7 + some lopsided zoning that's starting to be nerfed. Having more mixups and combo options but only if you have the system wide resources for it is good. It's not like she got this for free while other characters didn't, it's just rewarding from building up superchat. Especially when they changed the system completely.

I do agree that she deserves nerfs though, just change some oppressive damage output first and foremost imo.

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>>50706358
Grenades were oppressive as fuck. Them changing that was a good call after seeing how much reward Botan got off grenades. Botan had enough already she didn't need multiple grenades at once. I do agree the Coco change is weird and sauceless however.

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>>50706555
Even without the combos and busted damage she has roll to just escape out of minus frames, a long range slide, a demon flip and what's basically a Fighterz autocombo where she can whiff and hit you in the face if you dare try to whiff punish it. And still has the best armored move in the game anyways. To be honest, I do agree the damage is the part that needs to be looked at the most, I just think the cart change was unnecessary when all it really needed was for the bug on it to get fixed and for the startup to be slower.

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>>50705957
Why no one reads the Op... it's in a pastebin now
https://pastebin.com/XQtD5D1y

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>>50706762
Changing the cart that way would be extremely boring. It becomes a one trick pony move with no variance or interesting qualities. Especially if she's still allowed to combo off it free of charge. That's the worst of both worlds since it spoils Botan exclusively while reducing sauce potential.

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>>50706845
Ahhh ok my bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>50706942
Not every move needs to be able to do everything. I don't mind them removing its ability to combo but I don't see the SC change as being a good one either. It just gives her even more dumb mixups and makes me want to press buttons against her even less.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50706358
>f-figure out the matchup
>muh identity
fuck off. Some match ups are just not fun to figure out especially if it's a 2-8 or 1-9

[Anonymous No.]

>no Luna
>no raid BOSS mode,
>no handicap mode,
>no watamelon as an apocalypsis styled last boss
>No pregnant Towa,
> No lami cosplays to all characters so they can /become/
>no Okayu and reference the mogu yatch as a meme
>No Shimada skin to Okayu
>no Coyo
>No Rie skin to Coco
>No "classically romantic" rap to Mori stage,
>No rratman announcer
>No Holofight Z stage
>No Anya with unlimited blade works
>Aki nerfed

This patch sucs nanora~

[Anonymous No.]

>>50707322
>> No lami cosplays to all characters so they can /become/

[Anonymous No.]

Extremely small window but you can combo off of oni flip now. I think I managed to pull it off with M rekka but naturally L is easier. 22L also works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50707072
It's a unique super move, it should have more than a one dimensional use especially when I've seen lesser characters do some real sick shit with their own supers in tourney. As long as this change required some form of resources that other characters have then it's fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50707627
22L seems like the safest option to cancel to all around. Low Rekka isn't as safe and the resulting combo is shittier than just raw juggling. I'm glad Oni Flip has more utility now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50706666
Then just change the meter gain
>>50707114
Justifying getting rid of fun for the sake of "balance" is always a terrible for in the longevity of a game and will turn your game to shades of gray for it
>Some match ups are just not fun to figure out especially if it's a 2-8 or 1-9
Applicable in fg's that have real oppressive scales tipped in one characters favor, this game doesn't have any of that

So please tell me dumbass, what matchups in this game are "2-8" or "1-9" like you say? cause I don't see any as of yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>50709539
Coco vs Aki, Botan or Sora

[Anonymous No.]

>>50709539
Nah, just limit it to one. That's more balanced and less lopsided zoning.

[Anonymous No.]

>thread active again

League of evil figgers, assemble!

[Anonymous No.]

>>50709626
Coco’s worst MU was Sora and before this patch I’d say it was 3-7. Now, she probably loses 1-9 to Sora because they nerfed her into the ground.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50709626
Retard, how are you actually upset that you legit can't comprehend the grappler vs zoner matchup and surprised you can't get in with the archetypes and meta laid out to you?

If that's what this is about I don't get how you want to justify the nerfs in this patch for just ONE character that has a hard time. Why don't you just ask for buffs instead of wanting to see nerfs put in just so the rest of the cast suffer for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50710359
>the grappler vs zoner matchup and surprised you can't get in with the archetypes and meta laid out to you?
So you agree it's a 2-8 or 1-9 match up? Okay, so as I said, it's not fun to learn something that is obviously going to be a losing match up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50710549
I just gonna assume that you need extra time to read what I said, but to sound like a doll with a string
How does ONE character having it bad justify nerfing everyone else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>50710741
I didn't say it justified nerfing everyone. I told you to fuck off so you get off of your high horse telling people to just learn the game instead of changing it because you seem to be so flabbergasted that people don't want to put time into something that we can all see has no reward for learning. I wanted buffs for all the weak characters to but that is not what we got, so I will continue to not play until the buffs/rework comes.

[Anonymous No.]

Ah cool you hear the noise the room makes when a person joins if you're alt tabbed now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50712037
Not him, but I feel like my time was wasted learning Coco if they're just gonna rework her. And it's a shame because she was a really fun character, legitimately one of my favorite grapplers to play. Knowing how she got nerfed into complete uselessness this patch and lost her unique combo structure, there's no way they won't turn her into a more generic grappler. Seriously, I might just switch to Ayame because at least with Ayame, no matter what they change she's still gonna play like Ayame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50712037
So you're admitting that you're weak and don't want to learn or adapt? Okay, that's all I needed to know

[Anonymous No.]

Ok I just had my first match and I built SC pretty damn fast as Ayame, it may need some toning down. Shame the mong I was playing left after only one game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50712631
No amount of adaptation is going to change a bad character. Sorry you can't accept reality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50712196
this is useful

[Anonymous No.]

Literally nobody plays the beta

[Anonymous No.]

>>50718312
I could but what for

[Anonymous No.]

>>50722471
Because devs need feedback to know what to adjust otherwise it will all go in anyways and you can end up with some bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50722843
Hmm guess i should then
And in the feedback box i will put in
Include luna

[Anonymous No.]

>>50723795
Make sure to add that Luna's sprite needs to be sekkushi and adulto and sekkushi and very, very, very sekkushi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50724003
Luna (El forma sexo)

[Anonymous No.]

get in here for the sf6 giveaway, poorfags

https://www.twitch.tv/shimadatiger

[Anonymous No.]

>>50724609
Shimada is here to save the thread...

[Anonymous No.]

>>50707627
Also not sure if you could do this on live but Heavenly Oni Flip combos into anything without SSC. The new hitbox should make this easier anyways. That said, raw landing a HOF on a normal standing opponent is a herculean task to begin with so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50724609
I'd feel bad about getting it then never watching her again, so have fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>50725113
get a copy so you can join her lobbies and play with her

[Anonymous No.]

>>50725113
You can just fucking come in and play
what do you think people do in her streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>50707322
>No rratman announcer
There's a secret audio setting option for that
https://litter.catbox.moe/3mu4yl.mp3

[Anonymous No.]

Ok I am in the beta where do I drop the feedback

[Anonymous No.]

Are the links always this stupidly tight in sf6? Trying some of the combo trials with gief and some of them you can only get done if you start inputing the followup before the confirm even lands, and even then you need to finish the input at a very precise timing for it to count

[Anonymous No.]

I've read that coco is dead - why's she accounted as shit when the patch notes seems to be only QOL?

[Anonymous No.]

any of you takes notes like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>50728862
Seems like a universal side effect of grabs no longer being able to combo, saw a tweet of someone complaining about Botan's air throw

[Anonymous No.]

shimada....................................

[Anonymous No.]

>>50730442
what made her this salty?

[Anonymous No.]

>>50730464
command grabs, i suppose. can't blame her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50730514
The silence was so long I thought she was muted

[Anonymous No.]

>>50730667
she sounded so upset with herself. really hope she relaxes and doesn't beat herself up too bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50730899
It's a supreme overreaction considering the game came out literally yesterday
Guess this must be one of the "bad days" from the female kind
At least fig doesnt have period trackers

[Anonymous No.]

>>50683685
Well yes, that is what happens when you have culture differences. But to be honest, if there had to be a very limited and small base roster, I don't feel Luna over the current characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50685038
The sprites are definitely gorgeous. It's just a shame that it's clearly a "play for 1 day" novelty type of game due to its gameplay not looking crisp. But damn if it isn't beautiful!

[Anonymous No.]

>>50733261
The roster is pretty weird
Suesei aki and Sora are not the choices you would go with even in 2021by popularity, rather it is what you would do if intended to go by chronological order
It is likely next batch will also be all jps
I would bet Gura Mori and Ina would be te next three after that

[Anonymous No.]

So whats the pre-pekora tier list now?

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone have Holo avatars for World Tour?

[Anonymous No.]

>>50733669
Sora's the token daisenpai, she would've gotten in regardless of popularity. Ghost released in 2021 and her singing chops was starting to get popular, especially with the suicopath memes. Aki's the odd one out, but besides being the lead dev's oshi I vaguely remember there being a hubbub of her coming back from hiatus during that time period.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50733669
The roster is weird but has the most variety among repping Hololive overall. Going entirely off popularity doesn't make for an interesting roster. Also, Pekora is pretty much confirmed to be one of the 3 characters. She was teased in a trailer with her laugh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50733606
Okay yeah, I checked prior games. The general system and design for these characters are extremely basic. This hypothetical Hololive game would be all flash and no substance. At least the references and ideas are fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50734117
I think everyone has a good reason to be here. Even Aki for the unconventional unpopular pick that exists for fun variety.

[Anonymous No.]

Short bump rush low

[Anonymous No.]

>>50644797
>Confess
no

[Anonymous No.]

Cool so now Aki builds even more bar even faster and doesn't even need to combo you to do it.
Her shit is much more reactable though

[Anonymous No.]

>>50741216
Devs waifu in the end

[Anonymous No.]

>>50740162
What if I asked nicely

[Anonymous No.]

>>50734042
What is that even

[Anonymous No.]

>>50741402
SF6 has a fairly in depth character creator

[Anonymous No.]

Double hammer bump

[Anonymous No.]

>>50743667
Korone has hers

[Anonymous No.]

god world tour is fucking boring

[Anonymous No.]

>>50745933
>gives no reasons why he thinks so
Opinion, disregarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>50746296
fighting AIs in fighting games has never been and will never be fun, let alone doing it for 20 hours so i can grind out an alt costume for my main

[Anonymous No.]

>>50746315
World Tour is a 20 hour tutorial for new comers and a cameo/lore drop for long time fans of the story of street fighter, if you do not give a shit about either of these 2 things, then yea, it won't be fun for you.