/HAHA/ - Selen Tatsuki General

[Anonymous No.]

A thread dedicated to Nijisanji EN's longnecked tomboy gamer Dragon/laughing gas addict!
Pierced Dragon Stummy Edition~

>Her Youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCV1xUwfM2v2oBtT3JNvic3w
>Her Twitch channel
https://www.twitch.tv/selentatsuki
>Her VOD Channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKQi12nOGZsJ5nOuCTHErmA
>Her Twitter
https://twitter.com/Selen_Tatsuki
>Selen SHIMEJI! Have your own Chibilen!
https://twitter.com/Selen_Tatsuki/status/1539953457620168706
Previous thread:>>49374232

[Anonymous No.]

Still not happy with that OP but I wasn't here for baking

[Anonymous No.]

>>49408102
Sex, the dragon of SEX. (sorry Elira)

[Anonymous No.]

Oh she got masters already
>>49408102
>What an ugly ass op

[Anonymous No.]

>>49408230
It's okay bro, I'll let you do the next one if you're able to. It was the first one suggested so I thought I might as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49408315
She got to masters pretty fast actually, the problem is getting to pred from there, when she got to masters she needed 8k more points, idk how many does she need/have rn tho

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/Gib_b0oz/status/1657769239485317120
No Pan no bra

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>>49408651
omfg

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>>49408513
She's at 31.1k, and needs 34.5k currently, probably more like 37.5k by the time she gets back to grind again...
https://apexranked.com/player/selenfpsvtuberfbttvyt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>49408651
>Those THICC Thighs
>Child-Bearing Hips Meaning a THICC ASS as well
>Slightly Chubby Belly
>Big Booba
SEXXXX!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>49408102
Dragon Booba and stummy!

[Anonymous No.]

>>49408513
I haven't played ranked for a few seasons but even then getting to masters wasn't so easy. Sure they're way better than me, but it was a pain farming LPs after Dia3

[Anonymous No.]

kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>49408997
This season is special, people are getting a stupid amount of points so the points from master to pred gets higher and higher as time goes on

[Anonymous No.]

>>49408651
>Big Beautiful Dragon Booba
>THICC thighs
>Curvy Body
HOLY SEEEEEEXXXXXX!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>49408651
Looking back at his other lewdsuki art, this guy has improved a lot damn

[Anonymous No.]

>>49409010
Oops

[Anonymous No.]

Praise the Big Beautiful Dragon Booba!

[Anonymous No.]

>>49409294
Praise Thine Booba!

[Anonymous No.]

>>49409077
Oh, now I get what she meant that this will be an unique opportunity to reach pred. Hopefully she'll feel accomplished and able to move on from this going forward, even tho people could still get under her skin if they wanted to.

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>>49409077
Just for comparison iirc the Pred threshold at the end of last season was about 40k. It's already 35k on day 5 this season. Good thing Selen is climbing pretty quickly, cuz it's only gonna get faster from here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49409294
PRAISE THE BOOBA!

[Anonymous No.]

So selen wanted to do a long stream, but she sent iPN to sleep early only to stay playing alone with noct off stream? I feel bad for iPN

[Anonymous No.]

>>49409825
I would expect ipn to still be super fucked from jetlag, he got back this week but has been playing non-stop since then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49409294
PRAISE!.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49409294
Praise the Booba that has drained me so frequently!

[Anonymous No.]

Cyber maid Selen!

>Big Beautiful Dragon Booba
>"Maid to serve"
HOT!!!

https://twitter.com/MEDI4ROT/status/1657563953202089985

[Anonymous No.]

>>49411336
Cute and Sexy!!

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https://twitter.com/mofu_asb/status/1657754838514425857?t=BnL4kXv0t7WBaAk3vGlgdw&s=19

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>>49412317
That's a nice outfit, and it is REALLY well drawn. Her facial expression and the thigh squish on the left are getting me going.

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Uoh

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone here watches or knows about Beribug? She feels like Selen honestly,Tomboyish/bratty and plays fps,kinda sounds the same but does not laugh as often. Sorry if this comes off as shilling i'm drunk rn and curious

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@49412605
I would respond, but I hate people saying they're high/drunk. This is all you're getting. No (You) for you.

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>>49412708
I guess i wanted to cover my ass in case i get accused,sorry ?

[Anonymous No.]

This is the second time I've seen Beribug mentioned on /haha/. Seems like a cute girl but Selen is the only chubby content I can keep up with rn

[Anonymous No.]

>>49413669(me)
Chubba** Based autocorrect

[Anonymous No.]

I've seen her get shilled at least once on this thread before, she was streaming Conkers then, seems pretty cute ngl. Don't mind getting recommended more Chubby Asian Girls from Canada desu, though Selen will remain the one for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49412601
MORE
SMALLER
SMUGGER

[Anonymous No.]

>>49414924
This anon made it >>49412522
Maybe you should ask him and he'll see it when he wakes up. I hope we get more loli Selen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49414373
Based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49415000
Yummy Selen milk Ice cream...

[Anonymous No.]

Commanderlen looking stunning as always

https://twitter.com/kikairi_123/status/1657355648416518144

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>>49415372
That's the stuff... I'm ROCK HARD

[Anonymous No.]

I watched Beribug because she collabed with Clauvio(mouse vtuber i watch) and she reminded me of Selen so i wanted to share with you guys,idk it just clicked

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/refhi_kirin/status/1657727882372988928
I like this outfit submission

[Anonymous No.]

>>49412601
LOLILEN UUUUUOOOOH.
>>49415372
Being as smug as always!.

[Anonymous No.]

Badump

[Anonymous No.]

What makes Selen so sniffable? Almost every art of her makes me want to sniff her and inhale the fumes

[Anonymous No.]

I want to correct this brat...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49418330
It's the heavy amount of Gamer Dragon Sweat she always secretes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49418511
Holy lolilen...
>>49416270
>tummy
Based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49418330
>>49418773
Plus she's said that she's recently been into cotton candy scents... That's some sweet smelling gamer sweat.

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https://twitter.com/Lendivere/status/1657719719988957185?t=pEyJEfe8zHwvh79ClrG3lQ&s=19
This one's sick. Dante vibes for sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>49416270
>Tummy
>cool tomboy clothes
>hair down Selen
Good submission!
>>49419752
>Dantelen
>is
>SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX
GREAT SUBMISSION
https://youtu.be/xti_6Bzpa8A

[Anonymous No.]

> Making Selen a Mother
https://twitter.com/KoiDragoon/status/1657825039151161346?t=Z7bYhQOGR25ru2Je5byP0g&s=19

[Anonymous No.]

>>49420311
Mommylen....

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>>49420311
Posting a classic!

[Anonymous No.]

>>49411336
The alt version is better than the vanilla one.

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>>49412605
Thanks for the recommendation, selen hasn't been the same for a while, maybe looking for someone other chubba is the healthiest

[Anonymous No.]

I don't watch Selen a lot but I really, really want to fuck her tits

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>>49422046

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>>49408212
she is still trapped there...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49422534
>6 Hours
Tenma...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49422046
I'm in a similar boat, but her tits and other sexual things in fanart got me to watch her. It's quite the interesting situation.

[Anonymous No.]

>Selen has already watched the Mario movie
From Zea's last stream

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>>49423740
You know those men who posted pictures with open mouths when they got a ps5 or switch from their wives bf? Selen is that but female.

[Anonymous No.]

https://files.catbox.moe/wd673n.png
Posted from >>49423940

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>>49424127

[Anonymous No.]

>>49423831
Shit I can't unsee it now...

[Anonymous No.]

bets on todays solo stream (if it even happens) being longer then 2 hours?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49425275
Not happening

[Anonymous No.]

>>49425275
I don't think so, its better this way because the Pred shit is exhausting

[Anonymous No.]

>>49424127
That artstyle is better for Selen AI than the realistic one.
Also UUUUUUOOOOOOH.

[Anonymous No.]

Selen should play Signalis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49425631
Based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49423355
its over...
>>49425631
this but also terraria

[Anonymous No.]

Selen should play with my dick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49425967
This, but with my dick instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49425967
I wrote this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49425967
>>49426075
Wouldn't be worth to start a stream for something so short.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49425967
This but me but also Kittylen instead of Selen, Hat Selen is also ok

[Anonymous No.]

>>49425331(me)
BTW, I'm glad of this, I don't feel it's right to do one today

[Anonymous No.]

>>49426147
God damn LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>49426443
I'd rather she gives the rank grind the full effort today, get it, and then be free to do a good stream without it hanging over it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49425967
You see this post? I wrote it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49426978
B-But you're a new IP...

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>>49426792
Agreed, its like a race and Selen's trying to catch up and the more she works on other things, the higher the LP threshold gets. As much as I've disliked Apex recently, just having a goal like that has got me pretty invested

[Anonymous No.]

>sewen playing Fallout
https://youtu.be/S0ximxe4XtU

[Anonymous No.]

>>49426994
WHAT!? I've been posting here since this bread was made... I posted the Booba praise... The cyber maid Selen... Commanderlen with Ember... Why TF is it saying I'm a new IP?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49427218
This poster is sus. Very sus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49427218
Anon, are you posting from Phone by any chance?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49427218
Dragoon...
>>49427137
I saw Ame playing Fallout, its the perfect game for Selen, perfect for a Twitch series

[Anonymous No.]

>>49427265
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>49427218
Pretty sure I posted that Commanderlen anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>49427476
And so the plot thickens

[Anonymous No.]

>>49427334
Of course...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49426195
What color Selen's cat ears would be, same as color as her hair?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49427476

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>>49427939
Yes!

[Anonymous No.]

>>49427967

[Anonymous No.]

>>49427939
Correct!
Fuck... I don't have the fan art made by the Raptorlen artist... he draw a cute Catlen with cute ears

[Anonymous No.]

>>49428076

[Anonymous No.]

Will there ever be anything that can beat Commanderlen's sex appeal?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49429110
Toddlerlen

[Anonymous No.]

>>49429110
Racing Selen or Birthday Selen.

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/bongk_illus/status/1657791472970915840
more Selen bear and dragoon!

[Anonymous No.]

Finally! here is it! the long awaited solo stream selen has been promising us every day https://www.youtube.com/live/U7U2OWWMndg

[Anonymous No.]

>>49429110
NOPAN SelenBear!

[Anonymous No.]

>>49429234
Funny Joke. Except I'm not laughing...
We might as well see this to the end though, as other Anons have said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49429234
I hope it will be a long stream as she promised us yesterday

Wait a minute

[Anonymous No.]

>>49429234
So, she must be close enough to end today
GOOD
>>49429110
see >>49429251

[Anonymous No.]

>>49429316
Selen is laughing at it

[Anonymous No.]

>>49429187
That crying Dragoon? Me.

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry, but nothing comes close to Commanderlen. While SelenBear is hot, it isn't on the same level. And none of the new outfit ideas come even close. Not even Naked Selen could compare.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49429366
No fair anon it's always you. When's it my turn?

[Anonymous No.]

and to the surprise of no one yet another non Solo stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>49429426
>

[Anonymous No.]

>>49429444
When i finish my Sniffing session.

[Anonymous No.]

'goons just wanted to drop by and express my support to you and Selen in these recent times.
No matter what happens I'll always treasure the good times we had together

[Anonymous No.]

>>49429316(me)
And fr though, I honestly don't care at this point. As the other Anon said here >>49429352, the fact that she's pushing it forwards now must mean that she's getting close now...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49429541
W-what happened? It's because of the Apex right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49429461
Selen lying as usual
It's already a habit

[Anonymous No.]

>>49429507
>Projextmelodylen

[Anonymous No.]

>>49429541
I've been feeling the same since even before vsaikyo, she's not the same selen from before, it was a good run

[Anonymous No.]

>>49429671
NTA, but that doesn't looks like Melody at all except for the hair.

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>>49429559
I checked, she's very close. Thank god everyone else slowed down. She's 4k LP away. She got about 3k in the last stream so maybe expect 5-6 hours.

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>>49429234
>Stream pushed back for 30 minutes

[Anonymous No.]

I am just so sick and tired of Apex, and the sad thing is this isn't the end of it since she wants to also do those stupid collabs with the western pros

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>>49429541
Thanks bro, all I say is this though...
Times may be tough right now, but whatever happens (and as hard as it may be sometimes), I want to be there for Selen...
And hey, maybe the Good Times will come back sooner than we think!

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>>49429835
>The new direction of her channel
It was just more apex but with pros instead of vtubers
This is just the beginning anon, selen wants to reach pred so noct has the perfect excuse to get her into apex realm

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>>49429939
People said the same about rpr and then when she decided to stream race to Masters... nothing happened
Is more of a Selen Apex addiction and her desire to see her name printed on a shitty leaderboard / Pred Icon
Oh I also forgot OW... nothing happened after she got TOP 500

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>>49430035
Those were at most one month, we've been a long time here now anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430035
but she didn't do an entire stream talking about how she wants to do more apex collabs again and specifically mentioning having a foot in the door with western pros now

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430035
Yeah, her track record is actually pretty good on this. If anything I think noct might try to go the rpr/ipn route to become a variety vtuber.

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>>49430035
Nothing happened? Rpr is now a vtuber.
Back then she didn't make a big deal about it by announcing changes to her channel on a ominous stream, in the end everything was for the worse.

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>>49430074
Blame Vsaikyo, unironically the root of all evil
1 month of Apex for a tournament, that lead to another charity tournament, that lead to a collab with other pros... it was the end but then RESPAWN decided to change the point system and Selen had to GO FOR PRED
So unless they add an actual Leaderboard like Overwatch, this shit ends here
>>49430132
True, we will have a collab here and there with new Apex fags but its not what people thinks
Just remind the rpr saga

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>>49430181
rpr actually likes vtuber culture... he isnt there to leech like others *cof cof Nocturnal cof cof*

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430182
I hope you are right but with her talking last night about how her and RPR not having Apex fighting chemistry it leads me to believe that is the reason it never happened

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430035
What happened with "I'm not going to do as many apex pov" Weren't those selen's words? Are we going to get used to her lies?

[Anonymous No.]

Listening to Pomu's Karaoke in the meantime while waiting btw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430287
tbf that was talking about tournaments specifically

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>>49430181
rpr actually
>likes the vtuber scene
>the guy did collabs with multiple vtubers from different companies
>he even took the time to understand the culture of each company (he mentioned the Hololive one and understand the Gachikoi - Unicorn terms)
>he went as far as learning Japanese
I mean...
>>49430287
>"I'm not going to do as many apex pov"
Spotted the tourist
That applies to serious tournaments

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430287
In competitive settings, you dumb ESL. Tourneys, customs, stuff like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430316
Based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49429835
I don't mind the Apex content at all. That's literally why subbed to her when I met her but to each their own.

[Anonymous No.]

So much whining about Apex from a vtuber that got popular for being the first good at it from a big corpo in EN
Stop fucking crying, just like you can't fix an druggie, you can't fix her, you choose this oshi, now suck it up

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>>49430336
RPR no only likes, respects vtuber culture, just hearing what he has said about things like collabing with towa makes you see how much he knows and respects it, so no, it's not the same thing
The POV thing was for tournaments and until she felt comfortable which she probably does now, that's not an issue
>>49430397
More tourists

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>>49430035
Also, I see the points being made by others, but I think this anon is ultimately correct.
Sure we've seen Solo streams promised/cancelled this week, but that doesn't mean we'll lose those for good either.
In the end I trust that Selen will at least somewhat be able to get this out of her system...

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>>49430316
ah the good old days of Pomulen

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>>49430397
Happens that all the shit came at the same time
>Vsaikyo
>Apex new season
That why it feels like an eternity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430367
In the past, she used to collab with decent streamers, now it's feels like we only have nocturnal

[Anonymous No.]

I wouldn't be as annoyed if she didn't constantly keep saying I will make it up to you and just not even attempting to do it

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430516
iPN... Axel... Altare...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430397
It's literally not that, and you know it, if it was a solo stream nobody would be complaining, she canceled schedule streams and and several solo streams she promised us

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>>49430449
I think the cancellations are a result of her underestimating how much of a race against time this grind really is. If you take any time out the task becomes that much bigger because of how easy it is to get LP, the cutoff has been going up by 3k each day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430397
>>49430518
^

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430367
Yeah, same. I actually love Selen's Apex collabs and I'll make time to watch them whereas it depends on if I like the game or not for her solo streams. Her banter is my favorite thing about her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430367
just curious when did you start watching her? after the the first group of collabs in Apex she went a long time without really playing the game

[Anonymous No.]

Selen will continue to stream apex because it gets her big numbers,
It's very apparent that a lot of people don't care about her variety streams

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>>49430516
come on now, your "now" is only like two days, and two streams, and both of these have been more about her and iPN and less about noct that hates this shit more than the rest of the trio
one more stream and she's done, stop crying

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>>49430397
Anon, a lot of us got into Selen because she has more to offer than just Apex and has shown that. Either way, most of us are just tired of the excessive Apex stuff at this rate.
Also, you can fix a Druggie. I can Fix her.

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All I can say is that I hate Apex
Good thing that the next Vsaikyo is V*lorant

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430732
Yeah, thats why she streamed Dredge, Mafia, Star War, ect

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>>49429068

[Anonymous No.]

many baits today, yes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430722

The first time I watched her was when she played with Finana and 1v3d with a P2020. I also watched Wingman Delivery Service and watched her grind to master to play with Hal (I was lied to) so I have been subbed to her since a bit after she started.

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>>49430732
>Numberfagging

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430746
literal skill issue, I never got bored of apex collabs most of the memorable and funniest stream moments came from this game

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430829
Lots. Just ignore them. Don't give them any (yous)

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>>49430752
Pray that she is not invited

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>>49430658
why making promises you don't know you can deliver? Own your mistakes and at least try to apologize, a real apologize, not the typical bullshit she's doing "i fucked up teehee, I'm so stupid"
Although I know she won't because she feels it's not necessary

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>>49430914
>V*lorant
I highly doubt

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430870
Selen is chasing the biggest number in Apex

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430829
that or legitimate criticism, but we don't draw that distinction here, do we?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431006
You can blame the actual schizos for that desu

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>>49429939
Realm was cancelled. Now Realm is doing the Champions League which is another tournament for pro teams. So Selen can’t participate unless she is signed to XSET or some other team.

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>>49431006
>legitimate criticism
We don't do that here, selen is perfect

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>>49430947
>vsaikyo wants to balance teams out
>low-skill valo players will be drafted
>teams of 5
>Your face when someone like Kanato/Kanae are team leaders and have open spot to shitters in the game
>Selen gets invited

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430964
>by doing collabs with literal 3views
If she wanted numbers she would get Apex addicts like Chichan, VSPO, Hal, ect.

[Anonymous No.]

wake up honey, it's time for apex legends

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431098
I stayed with the conversation they had about it long ago

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>>49431121
Oh I can’t wait for her to get invited and people, who already hate Apex, have her play an even worse game in Valorant. They’d pop a blood vessel.

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>>49430871
>Muh Skill Issue
Dude, how old are you?
Also Pomulen Minecraft had better Collab moments.

[Anonymous No.]

is this flesh person the one who ordered a pizza and picked it up after the charity tournament?

[Anonymous No.]

>noct
Sorry, I will need to skip this one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431208
No this is the guy who has the podcast and hates cheesecake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431208
Nope, its another one
If I not mistaken, he was on that tournament

[Anonymous No.]

Oh yeah, it just started btw!
https://www.youtube.com/live/U7U2OWWMndg?feature=share

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431199
This, literally any Pomulen stream has been better then any of these Apex streams. Far from home Minecraft is still one of the best collabs she has done

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431199
unironically a discordfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431249
>>49431243
ah okay thanks

[Anonymous No.]

For the crybabies that hate her playing Apex, there is one way to basically “fix her” but would require some management interference.

I’ve dealt with this myself, but basically you’d have to pair her with a team of truly trash teammates. I’m talking about absolute shitters that aren’t even worth being meat shields. Playing with people like that for long enough would get her tired of having to carry and would eventually make her quit the game.

That won’t happen tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431199
>>49431269
Based
Not gonna deny that some Apex streams were kino
>like picrel
But the most fun for me was Ultrakill, Pomulen collabs, Trombone Champ, Dead Space, ect!

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431349
>Casual Apex like 2324 streams
Based
>Grinding streams
Cringe
Simple as

[Anonymous No.]

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.]

this guy voice is like he smoked 1 billion cigarettes

[Anonymous No.]

>>49425967
>>49426195
Catlen playing with your dick
https://files.catbox.moe/yan3uk.png

[Anonymous No.]

>>49430964
the 750th biggest number actually

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431481
E

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431509
CATLEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431269
>>49431364
Yep, I could have also mentioned any Collabs with other Lazusydia Members tbf.
But also a lot of my favourite streams of hers have been Solo Streams/Playthroughs of other Games.
I've said it many times before but Bloodborne remains one of my all-time favourite playthroughs of hers!

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431509
Based Catlen enjoyer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431509
Dragon hand keeps dissappearing and idk why

[Anonymous No.]

Selen going ram with the controller racism

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431509
BASED KOIKATSUGOON!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431634
BASED, CONTROLLERFAGS GET THE ROPE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431634
Roller is now a race? Damn

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431731
According to /v/, yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431731
Wow no you going to say, "You can't be racist against controllers"

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431887
You can discriminate them

[Anonymous No.]

What the hell are uppies

[Anonymous No.]

Wait... the guy is playing on controller?.

[Anonymous No.]

>Champion
Nice

[Anonymous No.]

>Skill 200 points
Her mmr is so weird

[Anonymous No.]

>>49432033
>when you grab a little kid by their arm pits and pull them up super fast in the air

[Anonymous No.]

>>49431243
Since she got with wigg she collab with Timmy too?

[Anonymous No.]

>Leaguesharts

[Anonymous No.]

>>49432106
Controller is the best input for Apex

[Anonymous No.]

League is the most toxic game, nothing will come close... maybe CoD

[Anonymous No.]

>>49432106
every 1-clip by an R99 past close range is probably someone playing on controller
the aim assist is strong enough that the majority of competitive players have quit playing m+kb

[Anonymous No.]

>>49432426
I bet valorant/csgo is more toxic than CoD on the same principle as MOBAs
>TOO FUCKING LONG MATCHES
more time with people you're angry with means more time becoming a worse person

[Anonymous No.]

>League
Just posting classics
https://youtu.be/J36ccUR-eqc
https://youtu.be/l8HO0OGOYMA
>Selen: League has like 2 billion characters?
Yes, and people only use 15 because muh meta in tournaments

[Anonymous No.]

Selen you usually watch s4 playing league
Don't play dumb

[Anonymous No.]

>Dota
KOTL GIFF ME MANA
NIGGA GIFF ME MANA
https://youtu.be/9qbp2F-wN5M

[Anonymous No.]

>>49432237
Are you for real, I don't get why chat would want "uppies" then

[Anonymous No.]

>>49432725
It's not chat, she calls "uppies" when she wants Horizon's skill

[Anonymous No.]

>>49432725
the average sneeze tasukaru'er and ara ara beggar

[Anonymous No.]

>>49432700
>CUM CLOSS TO ME
>GIFF ME MANA NEEGA
HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.]

>>49432803
Alright I read in chat that they wanted uppies I guess I just didn't make the connection

[Anonymous No.]

>>49432633
Tbf surefour is not as toxic as the average league player

[Anonymous No.]

>>49432864
Oh, then you were right, chat being stupid, but Selen is saying it for the reason I said

[Anonymous No.]

Is Selen collabing with Louis Armstrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49432918
The bicycle guy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433034
No that's Lance, Louis armstrong was a jazz musician.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49432918
Would be pretty based desu.
https://youtu.be/SgVWFdDnSXQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>49432918
The best American president?

[Anonymous No.]

just tuned in, how is selen at 31932 LP already? how did she gain like 5k since yesterday? did she say who she grinded offline with?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433034
>>49433155
The absolute state of zoomers...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433321
Yeah, on zea stream, noct and sikezz, also from xset.

[Anonymous No.]

CHAMP?
CHAMP

[Anonymous No.]

Keep winning like this please... so we can be done in a few hours

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433413
I understood the reference at least...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433155
>motherfucker thinks MGR Armstrong is the only Armstrong

[Anonymous No.]

is this the first time selen and nicewigg played together?

[Anonymous No.]

How can any of you not know about Louis Armstrong!? Smdh...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433618
I think it's the first time they've actually met in general

[Anonymous No.]

All you queers who actually watch Apex streams, do you play Apex too? Or do you just like watching them? I don't get Apex. I like Selen but watching Apex is like shoving pine needles in my eyes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433534
>>49433635
>search Louis Armstrong on Youtube
>got this
https://youtu.be/fpSw3gwdF5c
bros...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433650
No, they did talk a bit during the charity tournament

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433635
they're tourists

[Anonymous No.]

She's stealing his bestfriend on stream...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433675
I've never played it and don't really care about it. But Selen makes it fun to watch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433726
KEK

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433754

[Anonymous No.]

I hate this dudes voice so fucking much he sounds like a fatass middle aged man

I like Apex streams but not like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433675
I'm one of those losers who gets motion sickness if I actually play FPS games. Might be why I enjoy watching the streams so much.

[Anonymous No.]

>so hot in my room
>selen: same here
but she lives in canada???

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433843
Apex runs GPUs hot. Especially with a 3080 and high FPS. Makes your PC a secondary heater

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433843
28 celsius, which is pretty hot for canada.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433843
When you play competitive you tend to heat up either because of the euphoria of winning or the seething of losing
I live in a place that gets really cold at this time of the year and yet i have to take off my coat because when i play LoL I CAN STOP SEETHING AT FAGGOTS FEEDING THE YASUO

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433675
Yes but I'm a Plat shitter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433843
Computer overheating from running the Game, also getting increasingly sweaty from playing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433675
Never played it and the only one i can watch playing this game is Selen

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433974
32 right now on the west coast, hottest its been all year

[Anonymous No.]

So is Selen serious about drinking blended subway sandwiches?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433939
Only if you run with uncapped framerate, which is overkill for 99.9% of players. Having the game render faster than the neurons in your brain can fire doesn't help your aim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49434037
If there's any season to grab an easy masters...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433675
Never played it, nor do I have any intention to, only watching because of Selen.

[Anonymous No.]

selen is EXTRA cringe tonight
i hate how she's trying to fit in

[Anonymous No.]

>>49434120
At this point i dont know.
There is a 50% change of never happening.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49434120
People donated for it during the charity tourney. She feels like she has to.

[Anonymous No.]

Wigg sounds like Alex Jones

[Anonymous No.]

>>49432700
https://youtu.be/4TUd7BON-xQ

Dota is 100% more toxic. some people will grief for shits and giggles

[Anonymous No.]

>>49434163
This is why i enjoy the 2434 series more than this streams with random Apex pros

[Anonymous No.]

>HAL

[Anonymous No.]

>>49434230
I CANT UNHEAR

[Anonymous No.]

>>49434230
Can't unhear that, fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49434230
Can't believe management approved the Infowars collab...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433675
I play it on and off, multiplayer fps feels like a dying genre.

[Anonymous No.]

She really wants that ImperialHal collab

[Anonymous No.]

>>49434230
But can he do THIS?
https://youtu.be/134X7MJAKp0
https://youtu.be/0kk0bwM_E7o

[Anonymous No.]

>>49434141
Bro its Selen, its 200+ fps or nothing for her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49434141
Selen caps her shit but is like what... 244fps? 300?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49434230
THE CAUSTIC GAS IN THE WATER ARE TURNING THE LEGENDS GAAAAAAY

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not really into Apex streams unless Selen is playing with cute ESL girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>49434236
Holy shit i would be seething like no tomorrow
>>49434625
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>49434141
it still helps smooth out aiming, which is why you see pros with 4090s still run the game at 1080p with the manual config files to turn settings down past ultra low

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433843
It's currently in the mid 80s in western Canada, that's a brutal heat wave for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49434625
Based.

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/NiceWigg/status/1657908813801070593?s=20
this clip owns

[Anonymous No.]

>>49434860
ok, that was actually impresivo

[Anonymous No.]

>>49434860
Holy sniperino.

[Anonymous No.]

So is there any chance Selen makes Pred or would she need to play every waking hour.

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't been able to follow these run to pred streams...how has Selen been performing? Is she keeping up with the teammates or kinda getting carried?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435093
Pred is 40k right?
Then she would probably get it today

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435093
Very solid chance she can do it this stream, less than 4k left.

[Anonymous No.]

either selen got comfortable and is now throwing or their MMR finally converged

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435209
Pred is 36k

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435209
36.1k.
https://apexranked.com/

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435240
A bit of both I think, you can tell Noct wants to focus up a bit but theyre talking about eating socks rn

[Anonymous No.]

>>49433675
Yes, I've gotten to Diamond in every season at like the last 3 days of the split every season since S11. Unlike most Dragoons I do play FPS Games at a Competitive Level so I know what she's going for.

That said how the fuck did she meet Nocturnal? And why are more and more Apex pros turning into Cringe Vtubers? First RPR, then iPN, now Noct like for why.

>>49433839
That is just a skill issue wtf.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435363
This was like a month ago, but I think she said ipn was the connection to noct?

[Anonymous No.]

I'll eat a cute overworked jp OL nylon sock any day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435193

She is getting Carried by a former and a current Pro Player

>>49435093
From what I'm seeing she could probably get to Pred tonight if she gets good games, otherwise it's another stream if not 2 of it. Which would make so many people here seethe so I'm kinda for it just for that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435449

This makes sense. iPN was also the connection to RPR as well. Though that was after Restia converted him to a Vtuber Cringe Watcher

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435519
Hi Axel!

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435363
rpr started simping towa and then met selen
the rest of the pro community saw how much he was making

[Anonymous No.]

hahaha if selen get's pred today shes not gonna play more games right
r-right haaha

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435586
KEK
>>49435606
Not in ranked at least

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435606
she owes ipn
if she ditches him after all this i'm fucking anti-ing her. ipn deserves better

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435593

Restia was the reason that he got into it and started simping for Towa, then iPN connected him to Selen.

[Anonymous No.]

Bump limit

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435681
No...

[Anonymous No.]

>Bump Limit

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435661

lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435681
>>49435699
Its over...
>>49435661
Just like iPN ditched Bruce, are you gonna anti iPN too?

[Anonymous No.]

Selen you should feel bad for not giving us the solo streams you promise us

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435661
I doubt he gives a shit about getting pred. Selen's the only one out of her teammates that cares about the silly badge

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435661
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435884
She does not give a single shit lmfao

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435983
Selen really doesn't care about her community lately

[Anonymous No.]

>>49436085
Trying really hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>49436161
Is she? She's getting carried by pro players, If she can't deliver what she promises don't say it in the first place ,she ain't even trying

[Anonymous No.]

>>49436326
She said she's going for Pred, not that she's solo queuing for it. Technically she's correct if she gets to it, assuming she can do it tonight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49436326
She delivered more than any Niji on the EN branch with tournaments and branch wise collabs... incoming collabs, outfits (money price, from her own pockets), Orisong and more tournaments
If you wanna cry then cry about lazy faggots like Shu and Ike

[Anonymous No.]

>>49436467
>shu
Nobody even bullies yaminions for it, it's just sad at this point...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49436467

This is true, she has. People just don't like the fact she's playing Apex. I don't like it when she plays Overwatch yet I don't cry about it, I just skip the stream. Don't get why people just skip these couple of streams until she possible gets to Pred.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is selen so desperate to prove she's not washed up, anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49436545
>People just don't like the fact she's playing Apex
btw this is fair criticism, almost everyone here wanted the solo streams (me included and i got a little frustrated)
But writing "Selen really doesn't care about her community" is just straight up a catalog exaggeration

[Anonymous No.]

>>49436440
So she is doing this to satisfy herself and no one else,
>>49436467
I only watch selen, this is /haha/ why would i care about the others? Can't I be upset with how things are being done by her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49436580
Because this rank system is so fucking easy to game that she has a genuine shot at touching Top 750 now compared to any season prior. Everyone got a soft "hard" reset with Placement matches so this is her one shot to touch Pred for the first time since S3

[Anonymous No.]

CHAMP
KEEP GOING FAST

[Anonymous No.]

>>49436545
no most of the crying is because for 3 days in a row she has promised to do a solo stream then without a word doesn't do it

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435209
Assuming this tracker actually updates
40k will be the minimum considering the requirement keeps going up every hour
https://apex.tracker.gg/apex/leaderboards/stats/all/RankScore?page=8

[Anonymous No.]

>Another champion
GO GO GO
>>49436698
see >>49436686
Lets not exaggerate things

[Anonymous No.]

>>49436545
No one is crying about apex anon, she canceled other streams because of this and keeps saying that she will compensate us with solo streams that never came, is it that hard to understand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49436762
You're on all platforms, check the PC leaderboard

[Anonymous No.]

I think I'll go to Bed now lads, hopefully by morning Selen achieves her goal and is able to get it out of her system...
Also I'm going to spend some time Fapping to the AssJob stills Koikattsugoon made before I sleep!
Whoever makes next Bread btw, remember it's a Wholesome OP next!
Goodnight Goons~

[Anonymous No.]

>>49436945
Wait, Apex leaderboards are per platform? lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>49436778
>Lets not exaggerate things
She's doing this for her own satisfaction and she didn't care what her community thought, she kept promising streams that never came without giving good reasons for being cancelled, So yeah, like anon said >>49435983 she just doesn't care.
Let's be real, no one asked for this

[Anonymous No.]

whose going to bake

[Anonymous No.]

>>49436951
Rest well Dragoon!
Hopefully when you wake up, this will be over

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437015
No new thread until she reaches pred.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49436951
GN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437045
See you in a month LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

So the chances of Selen also streaming over the Lazulight anniversary tomorrow are small, so if she doesn't reach pred today then there will be yet again no solo tomorrow

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437015
https://twitter.com/xodaJyUngPJxGfp/status/1657571554333712387
I propose this one
>>49437093
She's actually really close

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437015
I will!

[Anonymous No.]

For God's sake, let Selen be a Predator, it's one of her motivations this year. stop crying, when it's over Apex will play those shitty 1 player games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437141
Yeah I know just goofin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49436686

So by that logic then my complaining about her playing Overgrass is also fair game because I despise that shit. However that dood writing that she doesn't care is on some weird shit. I just think that if you don't like the stream, don't watch it. But what do I know I only watch her, I don't watch other Vtubers.

>>49436698
I mean of course she is. Noct is a Pro Player, Nicewigg is a Caster for ALGS and a Pro Player and IPN is a former pro player, they've already reached the tops of those mountains. She's only gotten to Top 500 in S3. And this is her best shot at it.

Getting help from a Pro player and a former pro player to achieve Top 750 is for her own personal achievement. This is no different than Gacha gamers rolling for whatever 8 star wonder in whatever gacha game is out. Except that Selen is spending money on gacha like a retard

>>49436824
>>49436760
If she mentioned specifically those dates she was going to do Solo Streams then I rescind what I said because usually she does go through with them unless something happens.

>>49437008
I don't mind if she does these things, but I've not watched her in a bit so if she did actually cancel several streams for this then that's a bit messed up.

However at the same time I also don't blame her because this week is legit the best shot she has at getting into Top 750 due to the 'hard' soft reset and subsequent placement matches. If she does this any later she's not getting a whiff of it.

>>49436982
Yes. There are too many players to have a Global 750. Besides if it was universal like COD's Top 250 it'd be all Controller Players/Console Players without a doubt, with a few pros like Hal, Sweet and Dezignful mixed in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49436824
see >>49437178

[Anonymous No.]

>>49435736
Did bruce told the daughter joke on stream like iPN did? probably not, fuck bruce love ipn

[Anonymous No.]

>>49436545
>Don't get why people just skip these couple of streams until she possible gets to Pred.
because they are fucking entitled, just look around the complaints
>too much apex
>no solo stream
just entitled delusional fucks wanting their slice of gfe, cause they can't masturbate with apex streams

[Anonymous No.]

>Mappa mention
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437227
>So by that logic then my complaining about her playing Overgrass is also fair game because I despise that shit. However that dood writing that she doesn't care is on some weird shit. I just think that if you don't like the stream, don't watch it. But what do I know I only watch her, I don't watch other Vtubers.
Its ok bro, fair is fair... I also want those solo streams!
People like that dude just out themselves as tourist
>>49437275
>Bruce killed Ragnaros and raided on Naxxramas
He is already better than iPN, bro...

[Anonymous No.]

Wall of Text...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437227
https://twitter.com/Selen_Tatsuki/status/1657504192825790464
that long stream tomorrow never happened, She also has said at the end of the other apex streams "tomorrow" would be the day of the solo stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437227
> if she did actually cancel several streams for this then that's a bit messed up.
Since the end of the ow collab she keeps repeating how she's going to do a solo stream to compensate dor star wars, everything started with her "see you tomorrow" The next day she didn't stream, Then it was the turn of nijipets.
She repeats she's going to make it up to us but as you can see she's only playing apex. And until now she hasn't referred to the stream she also promised us on Twitter, which would have been before this

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437527
>crappa mention
Not based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437669

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437664
The only thing I got is
Selen should never say "I compensate you guys"
holyshit the little kids need their dose of solo-stream milk

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437428
I'm all for the Dragon Tomboy Gamer but people need to give her a bit of a break. She does quite a bit, she's funded so much stuff towards her channel that at the end she won't get to even keep when the time comes. She's letting artist do their thing and funding them out of her own pocket for her next outfit. Which is wild and I didn't even think it was allowed.

She's mentioned wanting to get into Top 750 one more time so I don't mind her gunning for it. Like I said, it's her one and only shot and she has Pro Players helping her otherwise these handful of Apex Streams would be daily for a month and a half at least if she was solo, and her chance would be gone anyway.

>>49437549
Read, Nigga. Or Don't, I don't care.

>>49437664
I don't watch her playing OW so I didn't know about that since right now.

>>49437854
Basically this. She's gonna have to find a way to reword the things she says to prevent this

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437854
YES, I WANT MY DOSE!
*sucks*

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437854
you are right, she shouldn't say she will do something and then not follow through. I am glad we see eye to eye on this

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437978

That's me, right underneath her left (Right) boob. Taste so good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437978
Delicious...

[Anonymous No.]

ANOTHER CHAMPION GO GO GO

[Anonymous No.]

Keep going, we are getting closer.

[Anonymous No.]

The LP threshold stagnated! GOOOO

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437854
Why promise the same thing in multiple occasions if you know you can't do it?

[Anonymous No.]

so many problems could have been solved by her literally just saying "Hey guys I am sorry but I am going to cancel my next few streams and just focus on climbing. After it is over things will go back to normal"

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437854
I have never seen a single dragoon celebrate apex streams. Even the old dokibird guard seems to not be into them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437978
Only good post here rn, everyone else is unironically being fucking cancerous rn.
Talking about people on both sides of the fence btw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438196
that's why a said little kids, this is literally what parents do, promising shit they won't do just to calm some nerves

[Anonymous No.]

So is pred based on system or all platforms?
Because she's close to hitting top 750
35,347

[Anonymous No.]

*sigh*
SNIFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[Anonymous No.]

>>49437141
What about this one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438301
Based on system, so a few good games and we have this!

[Anonymous No.]

I WILL sniff the dragon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438207
Her ego is bigger than her neck, selen thinks she can do everything and deliver
Often been proven that it's not like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438368
While I would prefer OP use that, it could be considered lewd. Just look at those sexy thighs...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438419
Fair enough!

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438419
Selenbear always toes the cute/sexy line...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438235

Because they want the Solo Tomboy GFE. That, or Pomulen (which is based, and Pomu is on top)

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438419
Why not just use this?
https://twitter.com/ShibeDraws/status/1657112273226178560?t=5YqDhP9BrxAxnmVeFwZyiw&s=19

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438251
ikr
https://files.catbox.moe/9zzpzu.mp4
Have a lewd for those who aren't engaging in that shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438235
I'm membered and been watching since debut, I pretty much only watch apex, overwatch and rosemi or pomu collabs

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438504
>and Pomu is on top)

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438392
She really tried to fit both the grind and regular streams. Too bad the Apex had a fucking timer with it where she won't get it if she slows down. I really hope she gets it together after.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438526
Haven't seen this one NICE!

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438559

>He doesn't see the Smug Pomu, knowing that even though the Dragon Tomboy is on Top, she lost.

lol, lmao even.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438623
Because it's fresh out of the oven
And it only required change chara and minimal positional fixing, thank god

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438269
This is the worst analogy you can do
Selen Tatsuki is a professional streamer hired by a japanese company
She has to deliver

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438526
Based! Thanks Koikatsugoon!
Have you done the Thighjob one that other anon requested btw?

[Anonymous No.]

Here. when this one dies!

>>49438795
>>49438795
>>49438795

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438785
Got distracted with this one and catlen lol, but I'm still doing it, catlen did took a bit of time since that one was from scratch

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438836
Thanks breadmaker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438526
Good stuff!

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438649

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438744
>has
oof...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438526
Koikatsugoon did you lose the dragon hand? You gotta turn on skin overlays

[Anonymous No.]

>>49438850
Noice, look forward to it! No worries about delays man just curious!
Also did you say you making a twitter to post these also?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49439000

Why do I get more NijiOceanLaw with Selen Fucking Finana than Selen pounding the ever living shit out of that smug Fairy's ass.

Why do I have to suffer this injustice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49439114
Finana pushed the ship too hard and became popular... Also Pomu doesn't help

[Anonymous No.]

>>49439114
Finana's fault actually, she endorsed the ship...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49439114
Tragic...

[Anonymous No.]

>>49439175
>>49439189
>>49439221

God FUCKING damn it feesh. I NEED my smug tomboy gamer dragon to do unholy and unseiso things to that smug fairy. Fuck me and my inability to draw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49439114
I honestly enjoy both desu, and thankfully we are getting more Pomulen love in fanart/fics nowadays.
Should have seen Pomu getting repeatedly dicked by an overly frustrated/animalistic Selen m8!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>49439104
Since I'm making a lot of these idk if I should keep posting them under the tag tho, I feel I shouldn't flood it with koikatsu stuff but could be just me overthinking