/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Was letting go of an entire branch truly the right decision?

[Anonymous No.]

morally yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
Nah, they should've just let it(the drama) died down to be honest.
Giving it attention was the worst thing they ever did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
They couldn't be worked with without cutting off the entire western market and a large chunk of their domestic one. Rip Fubuki and Aqua but there was no other way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
No, they could've been used to dunk on chinks.
But Coco had to fuck it all up

[Anonymous No.]

No. Imagine how much more popular Hololive would be with the Chinese market. It's insane that it's cut off completely from it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
It wasn't Cover's decision to make, China is fucking retarded.

>>48993593
HoloCN's management went renegade and due to China's dumb laws Cover probably had no control over what they did, axing the entire China investment was probably the only way to cut losses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
Yes, fuck China.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993832
The branch was bleeding money, ID is/was more profitable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993954
That was a lie Cover told to ax them. Not that anybody cared because it was peak death-to-China sentiment at the time.

[Anonymous No.]

Absolutely the right call when the CN branch management was going on their own, altering Cover's statements and making promises without consulting those actually in charge of things.
The market was toxic and clearly not going to just let things slide (Cover thought suspensions for Haachama and Coco would smooth things over, it only isolated them.) and if Coco was forced out, multiple talents said thru would follow her. Hololive could have imploded. Even if it didn't, any remaining talents would be on thin ice as the Chinese would have more influence. It was wise to just evacuate from that market entirely.

[Anonymous No.]

Yea I STILL don't get why the CN Managers went renegade like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
Only somebody that wasn't here when it was happening would ask this question.
CN was actively trying to undermine the main branch, saying in announcements shit like "Hololive will be allowing us to keep models" (this was not true at all, although Yagoo was apparently open to it before they tried to force public opinion), and trying to convince CN viewers to revolt and spam everywhere. Billibilli moderation was saying they'd burn down Fubuki's channel for having lunch with Coco. /jp/ and then /vt/ was completely unreadable because of how many of the bugmen were flooding the place. There is a reason this place jumps to assuming that any problem is zhangs trying to push a narrative. It is a trained response to zhangs spending over a year trying to push various narratives.
If HoloCN hadn't been killed, all of this would be worse. Yagoo did the right thing taking them out back, even if a couple of the talents were regrettable to lose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
Yes. China should never be allowed nice things. A Chang should never have a nice moment in life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
Yes. The branch proved quite toxic in the whole debacle with it's talents attacking other talents and the company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
There was a lot more going on on the CN side than just the Taiwan yab. Bilibili and the various Chinese clip channels had been asking for more and more exclusivity and privileges in the lead up. Also, several members of HoloCN got busted for yab-worthy behaviour such as Doris who was doing findom shit with her biggest gachis in PMs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48994227
Probably because that's how business worrks in China. Just fucking steal shit and do what you want because your country's government doesn't give a fuck about what your overseas head office thinks.

[Anonymous No.]

Even if you don't believe the rrats you have to admit everything about the Chinese branch was a huge red flag. For one, calling it the Chinese branch is inaccurate because it was run by a different company. They also had to use a different streaming service no one in the West would watch. If you throw in restrictions on cross-border money transfer restrictions and the requirement for Chinese control of the business you start wondering why they would even bother. This is also before China made rules about streamers, their content and how much money they could make, which would have killed the branch anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993836
>HoloCN's management went renegade
what happened? did they do like a strike or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48994505
>This is also before China made rules about streamers
>Literally happened only a few weeks after Cover pulled out of China
Yagoo is one of the luckiest motherfuckers alive.

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>>48993449

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>>48994525
From what I remember they basically assumed complete autonomy and stopped listening to anything Cover said. And legally they could get away with it because as soon as the Taiwan fiasco got on record it meant Cover's contract for all business operations in China was compromised. I don't really remember the details but needless to say getting out of China was probably the only sensible solution since anything they had there was going to be seized by some chancing cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48994636
>rrat has more letters
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>>48994505
Their treachery was as much of a rrat as Noel's irl tits being as big as an individual known as Canon's.

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>>48994505
>>48994580
Don't forget that one of the rules about streaming that China implemented shortly after was that you had to put your real name and contact information on government record to legally stream in China. Record that is very susceptible to being exposed by any bored clerk that gets paid the right amount.
Yagoo is truly one of the luckiest fuckers in the business.

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>>48993449
China doesn't deserve happiness, so yes.

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>>48994525
Cover put out a statement, CN added lines about respecting a One China Policy.
When Cover announced the branch would be dissolved, CN management told the girls they would be keeping their models.
Then there was some other stuff like branch personnel starting an "our girls" movement which joined in attacking Coco.

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>>48994689
Damn, you're right here. Them axing the branch and leaving China was the only and best option.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48994505
Honestly, even having "Holo" name attached to it is probably a mistake. Even Niji just kinda leave it to someone else and they're just collecting profit.

Yeah, it is probably correct choice to evacuate China, at least in this period where they become pretty autistic again about control.

[Anonymous No.]

I asked this particular question 5 times and got the same result but with different explanations

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>>48994689
Lol reminds me of that one tech CEO who really went renegade and refused to resign. Can't remember which one but its either AMD or Nvidia or Quallcomm.

Conveniently, China is also in need of lots of people to ramp up their domestic chip manufacturing and design

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>>48993449
yes, they dodged a massive bullet

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
>go rogue against your employer
>expect to remain employed

[Anonymous No.]

>>48994992
Didn't they just stole and reproduce the Intel i3 design?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
The Crossroad of Destiny in the history of Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48994992
ARM China, or "how to scare away foreign entrepreneurs with one easy trick!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>48994995
They got hit by the bullet and dug it out

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>>48994857
its mostly a matter of time in niji aswell, the amount of drama that their EN branch gets doesn't translate well on their chinese culture.

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>>48993449
>Bump off five subversive pieces of shit right now
>Bully the last subversive piece of shit out of the company when things have cooled down
Cover played the best game they could with the cards they got dealt and it worked out surprisingly well. Hololive is still kicking with the chinks both fans and antis pretty much removed entirely and internal sabotage from one of them is less likely

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>>48995335
Did you just called Rushia a subversive piece of shit?

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>>48995048
Idk but with the amount of hacking and industrial espionage being done by chinese army, won't be surprised.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48995429
I meant Coco was a subversive piece of shit. Rushia didn't get bullied out she Menhera'd herself out

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>>48995504
How? Isn't Coco still basically universally loved?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48994791
Yes, they are Artiafaggots led by Whitell aka Andy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
Yes, CN is poison

[Anonymous No.]

>>48995048
>>48995457
>EA did business with China
>Cut ties
>China now has their own reskinned Apex Mobile
>Blizzard did business with China
>Cut ties
>China now has their own World of Warcraft
Yeah, safe to say China just wanted to steal the VTuber formula for their own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48995567
Indog Holodronies hate her before she gruduates. They think Coco is betrayal of idol culture and call her trash fake idol.

>>48995608
>>ASUOL

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>>48995747
>They think Coco is betrayal of idol culture and call her trash fake idol
Holy hell ESL-chama keep up your reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>48994132
>>48994274
These two are correct - kowtowing to Chinese 'fans' would have forever cemented them as being more important than everyone, even JP talents and while Coco would've been the first casualty she wouldn't be the last. With the arrival of EN and China's importance to cover waning this decision was always going to happen but the Taiwan incident accelerated it by a couple of years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
yes. that was not the 1st time they sperged out.
>>48993832
it's the other way around. chinese vtubers would be more popular if they didn't act like bugs.
>>48994069
nah. there are potential profits from there, but they made it hard for foreigners to get their money out of china at some point.
they don't really like it when their money go outside of the country
>>48994227
>>48994274
>>48994452
>>48994689
look up about what happened to snh48. they probably wanted to pull off the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

I’m not going to pretend I remember every rrat and I’m not going to pretend I care. The people here can’t even keep it coherent. Here are the only facts that we know for sure.
>China branch was toppled
>Coco quit anyway
>No one else quit in unity
>China is one of the largest markets
>VirtuaReal is a chinese branch of Nijisanji
>Nijisanji has not experienced any of these doomsday scenarios
>Luxiem became huge off china for a while
>No cons for Hololive leaving
>Pros and Cons for Nijisanji staying
These are the only facts of the matter. Hololive being better off without China, mass graduations for unity, and china usurping power are all rrats that can’t be substantiated. Cover has lost both of them and is flying higher than it ever has before so at the very least none of them were indispensable. But to op’s question about it being the right decision, if you’re talking morally then objectively no it’s the wrong decision to fire 10s of people for 1 person that had plans to quit anyway. Any other scenario people would be agreeing but they can’t speak objectively. If you’re talking the correct decision then maybe because as I said earlier hololive is rocketing forward without them while nijisanji is barely holding a lead with them

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>>48994069
All of holocn wasn't even above 100k subs before the drama. Fubuki and Aqua made money over there, not the actual Chinese branch. Holocn also required several Chinese staff members due to dumb China laws

[Anonymous No.]

>>48995980
HoloCN talents organising hate mobs is not a narrative

[Anonymous No.]

>>48995980
Shut up, Li

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
The whole situation is still surreal to me. Like some giant Rube Goldberg machine.
So many things might have been different if CoCo didn't somehow step onto the landmine that was Google analytics.

Imagine for a sec:
>Coco stays in Hololive, keeping the disparate Gen 4 together.
>Coco doesn't get mind broken and remains as the dragon everyone looks up to.
>Coco is around to help tardwrangle Rushia.
>Rushia says in Hololive. Gen 3 remains as the undisputed generation of Miracles.
>Vwhoejo doesn't get a JP presence.
>Sana gets Genshin Perms, stays in HoloEN
>Ina is happier and Myth keeps it together
>Gura is regularly streaming, Ame collabs with her instead of homos.
>Fubuki is able to continue streaming Arknights.
>Coco gives the Marie Antoinette speech to La+, thus taking her job more seriously. La+ stays popular and becomes the most popular cunny in Hololive.
>The chink gacha that (you) play now has a collab with Hololive.
>Hachama doesn't have PTSD and survivor's guilt. Stays the cheerful EN 0 gen instead of vague posting.

The butterfly's wings continues to flap.
I don't know if we are in the darkest timeline. But I know for sure there is a brighter one out there somewhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48995980
HoloCN claiming the girls would keep their avatars is based on a statement made by Artia on stream. So either a) a HoloCN member was lying through her teeth or b) HoloCN management lied through their teeth. Either way, Cover decided that pulling all of their investments out of China at very short notice was the best feasible option despite it being an extremely expensive loss for them. So the assumption that they had a very good reason for making that decision is pretty reasonable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48995980
>But to op’s question about it being the right decision, if you’re talking morally then objectively no it’s the wrong decision to fire 10s of people for 1 person that had plans to quit anyway.

But we're not talking about 10s of people, we're talking about 10s of chinese. Obviously the right choice is to stand by one person over them.

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>>48996289
Any timeline without the Chinese Sword of Damocles hanging over Cover's head is a brighter timeline and you're deluded if you think otherwise.
>The chink gacha that (you) play now
My sides.

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>>48996289
>So many things might have been different if Coco didn't somehow step onto the landmine that was Google analytics
This is bullshit. It was not a landmine, it was a targeted attack. Korone had done the exact same type of stream some time earlier and mentioned Taiwan by name. Nothing happened to her. The changs did not riot. They did, however, riot when Haachama and Coco did the exact same thing. The differentiating factor is that both those girls have (varying) proficiency in English. The influx of English speakers into the scene made the Chinese nervous and jealous. If the center of gravity in viewership shifted because of added weight around the world, particularly America, rather than China, then China would not have as much pull. Their control and the pressure to have Cover fellate their sensibilities was weakened. This is why they freaked out at those two while they didn't give a shit if Korone recognized Taiwan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48996289
China would've attacked Coco eventually anyway. They were almost completely silent when Haachama did the Google Analytics about a day previous. It wasn't until Coco reported on Haachama that they started getting angry, because Coco is a known American and that nationalist square-off was getting heated IRL.
The other anons are absolutely right about China being a ticking time bomb. This future would have come to pass anyway, and HoloCN may have been even harder to cut off at that point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48996289
You forgot one thing
>Tempus flourished and they all collabs with the EN girls just fine

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>>48996598
>It wasn't until Coco reported on Haachama
Coco did not report on Haachama. Coco looked at her analytics in a Asacoco segment answering a viewer question of "why do Japanese people superchat so much", completely unrelated to what Haato did the previous night. It was just a coincidence.

[Anonymous No.]

The mainlanders gave their ultimatum, to fire Coco or withdraw from the chinese market.
Hololive chose to withdraw from the chinese market.
The spam never stopped even after Cover responded to their ultimatum, because it turns out their ultimatum was a bluff to scare Cover into following their demand of firing Coco. Cover called their bluff and they were caught with their pants down and no idea what to do next.

The true lesson here is that the chinese market is extremely volatile and they will turn on you in a moment, they have zero brand loyalty and only want to control these companies as consumers.

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>>48996478
I would prefer if the sword didn't fall at all. Whether that is possible is another topic.
>>48996586
It's a metaphor. What I meant is anything could have triggered the event. It just so happened to be something people wouldn't expect.
>>48996598
>This future would have come to pass anyway
True. I was just musing. I would have liked the status quo to stay if possible though. Those were good times.

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>>48996289
>>Coco stays in Hololive, keeping the disparate Gen 4 together.
>>Coco doesn't get mind broken and remains as the dragon everyone looks up to.
Coca was in decline and fed up with hololive before the china jab. You are just copium posting.

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>>48997028
>they have zero brand loyalty and only want to control these companies as consumers
This is based, tho. Well, not that Holodrones could understand it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48997099
>You are just copium posting.
Yes and?
It's an alt timeline fanfic. You want me to cite sources?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48995608
>Tarisland
They have no shame do they?

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>>48993449
Outting the bugmen was a better move look how chasing chines dollars is working out for Nijis

[Anonymous No.]

>>48997395
If only the rest of the world would get wise to the problem and wipe them off the planet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48997263
That you scenario includes imaginary scenarios like ignoring that Coco was already losing gas and that a lot of people /here/ hated her for Asacoco.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48997524
>hated her for asacoco
Why it was actually entertaining, unlike reddit meme review bullshit that brought in more faggots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48997099
>fed up with hololive before the china jab
retard detected

[Anonymous No.]

>>48997524
No one cares what people /here/ hates. She was extremely popular when she left.

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>>48997076
>I would prefer if the sword didn't fall at all.
Well you'd need there to be no sword to begin with to guarantee that shit, and the only way to fix that is to change a decent amount of Chinese law and make the CCP not scumbags. Good luck with that.

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>>48994992
ARM China.
I know this story because an aspie I watch told it!
Something to do with corporate personhood in China being tied to a seal used to sign documents as the company. Whoever has the seal is the company, so the CEO stole it and hired a bunch of bodyguards to protect him and the seal.
Without the seal they couldn't fire him

[Anonymous No.]

>>48997620
A microscopic minority of seething weebs have always hated her for teaching bad words to their heckin' idols, better to just ignore them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48997620
He's talking out of his ass, that's why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
Maybe China shouldn't have overreacted to someone saying the word 'Taiwan' and instead just shut the fuck up?

Yes, it was worth letting go of an entire branch when that branch is inextricably tied to a schizoid government run by the most insecure man in the world

[Anonymous No.]

>>48994941
Hard proof that AI is incapable of sophisticated thought

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>>48993449
Depends. If money is the most important thing in your life, then no. In any other situation, it is always a right thing to avoid China.

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>>48993449
Should have just rebranded it as the Taiwan branch in my opinion (and got rid of Coco). Pretty sure at least one of the members was Taiwanese and they are basically Hololive's biggest foreign audience as far as I've seen.

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>>48995980
>China is one of the largest markets
Yet their earnings was almost HoloID tier, and that was before ID got the boost from their 3D live performances at HoloFes.
Coco was the proof of concept that the global market was profitable and HoloEN was a massive success on their debut and they were only going to grow more.
HoloCN was HoloID tier despite having a much larger and wealthier market. What does that tell you?

HoloCN never had the value that the chinks thought they had, the biggest loss in leaving was ironically the loss of revenue for HoloJP members. The only bargaining chip the chinks have on the table is the revenue they bring to HoloJP, not HoloCN.
And when they tried to scare Cover into following their demand, Cover called their bluff(and rightfully so, the global vtuber audience is only going to grow larger, and that will make up for the loss in revenue for HoloJP anyway), and suddenly the chinks realise that they don't actually have the leverage that they think they have. This is one of the few times an overseas company actually called their bluff, and they have no idea what to do except keep on running the spambots hoping that Cover will finally relent.


>>48997743
The fucking retards would VPN to Taiwan to watch the youtube streams anyway, thus contributing to Taiwan's numbers on the statistics.

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>>48997863
Personally I think Coco should have done an apology video. Except the apology is about forgetting that China is not real and instead stating that they are firm supporters of the One Taiwan principle and hope for the peaceful reunion of west Taiwan with Taiwan.
Then sing the Taiwanese national anthem while their flag is lowered down behind her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48997907
The chink streaming market is oversaturated and brutal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48997982
100% support. Fuck West Taiwan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
Stinks of censorship. Not surprised about the CN preferences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48998582
Change it to Russia and Ukraine!

[Anonymous No.]

>>48998582
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>48998582
It's just gacha

[Anonymous No.]

>>48999396
i hate when the answer doesn't fit

[Anonymous No.]

>>48997857
I mean Cover couldn't get their money out of China and got completely fucked over so even that's not really an excuse.

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>>48995980
>No cons for Hololive leaving
Eh, I wouldn't say that there wasn't any con. Some of those might still affect Holo to this day. It's just that they managed to overcome it and kept growing.

[Anonymous No.]

I would have abandoned hololive altogether if they had bended the knee to the Chinese. Instead I have the utmost loyalty to them

[Anonymous No.]

>>48997907
Yea holocn is dogshit its the not being able to do chinese product collabs that hurts more. Shit on genshin and star rail all you want if they could stream/collab with them thats big money

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
Yes Chang. Now turn off your Taiwanese proxy and get back behind your grorious chinese firewarr.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
chatGPT is fucking chinese lmao

[Anonymous No.]

Was responding to this Niji deflection thread really the right decision? Seems like a left kinda decision. Any anon above me in this thread is a liberal.

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>>48995980
>Cover is flying higher
huge doubt
tempiss, and unity fags and EN mori/kronii etcsame yab but obviously less drama
i'll accept only if you say JP is doing well
other then that meh

[Anonymous No.]

Yes. Coco was worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
Yes, even though shitty "dragon" was shit. Because a branch that actively encourages hostility to the rest of the company is a canker that must be excised. Because a branch that by existing necessitates putting the rest of your assets at risk is a rotten limb that must be pruned to save the tree.
You need to understand that throwing out holocn was not merely about coco. Particularly considering the laws the ccp passed around that time, there is no universe where holocn does not get purged. Even if they were willing to fire an actually profitable talent over the ccp and its minions being angry that an American acknowledged that taiwan exists at all (much less that it has never belonged to China and has never been under ccp rule), holocn would have been axed.
Move the fuck on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993652
>RIP two people who are still around and doing fine
What did he mean by this

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>>48995504
Coco didn't get bullied out, zhang.
And by now we've seen that her greedy as would have left eventually one way or another.
>can someone offer me a $1m contact lel

[Anonymous No.]

>>48998045
I've heard rumours about some pretty fucked up shit going on in there, whole buildings of girls who are basically just slaves with make-up and a camera, used up and discarded once there is no more profit to be extracted from them

[Anonymous No.]

>>49004196
Yeah thats about right.
Being independent of that shit ain't much better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48996758
>thing that happened didn't happen
Spot the new guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
Ofc not

[Anonymous No.]

>>49004308
Oh, I see you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
With Bilibili having infiltrated staff ranks there was no other option. Plus the ones that continued going indie seem to be doing okay.

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>>48993954
iirc Yagoo said at some point around the time of the China drama that CN/ID/Stars wasn't actually making Cover any money. Of course, it's very likely that this statement isn't true completely true anymore considering that CN no longer exists and ID has been getting relatively big pushes in recent memory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49003962
He's from the timeline where Cover bowed to China. Some JP talents left and EN was disbanded instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
at least the ai knew coco had reddit humor

[Anonymous No.]

>>49006686
CN branch was never profitable because CN's per capita income back in 2020 was around $10k. The hope was that the population size would make up in larger quantities of smaller spending but it didn't really happen. Also the reason why EN branch took off was US was around $33k per capita income. There's more to it than that like the difference in monetization potentials on NND vs Bilibili vs YouTube and what more expendable income means for superchats, merch, and events but you get the general idea. Also just for comparison and context if you look at ID branch per capita income in Singapore in 2020 was $60k but Malaysia was $10k, Thailand $7k, and Indonesia and Philippines $3k which is why they catered to EN audience early on until it finally caught on for SEA with their 3rd Gen.

[Anonymous No.]

>there are multiple unironic chink lovers /here/
kill yourselves fucking bugs

[Anonymous No.]

Black company

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>>48993449
wow, the bot is consistent with this no matter who you phrase it

[Anonymous No.]

Some of you just don't understand how toxic and twisted of chinese fan base. There will always be a CoCo event sooner or later. There are too many schizos and they will always find a way to accuse you insult China. Most of the foreign chuubas in bilibili have been accused once. Last and most important thing is that you don't even make much money by kneeling to CN audience. First of all, it is extremely difficult to transfer money out of China. Also, they like piracy and free sharing.

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>>48997028
>they have zero brand loyalty and only want to control these companies as consumers
Isn't that what the western market is doing now?
>muh can't play the wizard game
>muh holostars
>muh inclusion
>cancel culture
What's the difference?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
It wasn't even really a decision, the Chinese gave them an ultimatum and they had no other option without torching their entire business.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49012197
Scale.

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>>48995980
> if you’re talking morally then objectively no it’s the wrong decision to fire 10s of people for 1 person that had plans to quit anyway.
You are an absolute moral slave if you think in terms of numbers like this, the real question is which one you value more between Coco and the members of the CN branch and it's clear which one most people support here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
you can't just bow down to the chinese market once and be done with it. they will try to make you bow down over and over again repeatedly. if at any point you decide to grow a spine, you will be cut-off and all your previous groveling gone to waste. many companies are realizing this, it's just that the chinese money is too much of their overall income to quit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48993449
Coco forced everyone's hand. She refused to admit her mistake and laughed when anyone, either professional or personal, tried to tell her anything she didn't want to hear. It's why she left Hololive. Hubris. The bitch would rather burn the entire forest down than admit she make a mistake. Otherwise she would still be screaming about Taiwan.

[Anonymous No.]

China is and forever will be, toxic as shit.
The fanbase is rabid as fuck.
The fact that they demanded a resignation from saying "Taiwan" is preposterous. Holo talents have said nigger and a Niji said a slur for koreans, and nothing has happened.
They turned Aqua's League song into a warcry against Cover.
They turned against Fubuki the instant she said hello to Coco.
They went above and beyond to spam in Suisei and Flare's chats, for what reason?

The government and society is also shit.
There's a shitload of falsified data because of their bug eat bug mentality. Even population census data is uncertain, and deaths in any accident/disaster are under reported.
They require literal CCP members to be a part of any company.

You guys catch up on the Chinese BMW drama last month over ice cream?
The anon who said don't learn Chinese is right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49012991
wait until you found out about asoul lmao, vtubing in china are beyond toxic, sometimes they feel like a different sub species from some subhuman alien planet, people really are better off without learning chinese

[Anonymous No.]

>>49012855
this is what CNturds really believe

[Anonymous No.]

>>49012991
It's ironic since the West is the reason China is so toxic in the first place.

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>>48993449
It was the best option at the time and thanks to China being China it ended up becoming the smartest decision.

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>>48993449
How do you call a bunch of chinese nationalists being strapped to the tracks and ran over by a trolley?

A good start.

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It wasn't just Coco they would have lost. Fubuki was showing a lot of support for Coco as well, and even vaguely posted about quitting if Cover did anything malicious around that same time.
I don't think Cover would have gave up Fubuki and anyone who supported her just to appease China, which made the decision even easier.

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why do people talk shit about Artia

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>>49015361
And then Coco quit. All that support for nothing.

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>>49012991
Agreed.

The Chinese market seems like a hypothetical "goldmine" because of how many people there are and the growing middle class there, but honestly it's such a volatile, fragile proposition, you can't put too many eggs in that basket.

Chinese censors are fickle. If you're not going to orient your entire business around appeasing the Chinese you need to accept the possibility of being banned there completely.

Random llama (like the literal animal) shows up in a game? Banned forever, if the censors decided it's a wordplay on Dalai Lama. Red umbrella shows up in a game? Banned forever, if the censors think it's a reference to the HK umbrella protestors. Mention Brad Pitt? Prepare to get banned, he was in the movie Seven Years in Tibet 20+ years ago, unforgivable.

Not worth the trouble. Any and all business with China is a ticking timebomb unless you agree to jerk them off forever.

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>>49016195
All of these also apply to the Western market too, though.

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>>48993449
>the chatbot sucks the china chode
big fucking surprise

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>>48993832
>Imagine how much more popular Hololive would be with the Chinese market.
I don't think it was a coincidence that Coco was constantly having management block her ideas until she quit or that Haachama seems to be heading down the graduation path. Japanese companies don't usually fire employees but there is a thousand different ways to make a job unpleasant. Sure would be convenient if both hololive talents that were part of the Taiwan flag incident quit and hololive started getting back into the Chinese market.

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No of course, punishing all the girls was retarded.
But then again the entire thing was retarded and it got the most retarded Japanese response that ended up with a branch blown out and Coco being made a pariah and forced to go out as well.
A shitshow from start to finish.

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>>48996586
>>48996598
it's not the fact that she looked at google analytics, it's that she did it so close to Haachama doing it, they assumed Cover told everyone about Haato getting in trouble on bilibili for doing it and saw Coco doing it so shortly after as a deliberate act of defiance, making it seem more mean spirited

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>>49015537
She left on her own terms instead of bowing down to bugs

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>>49017417
so she decided she was more important than other people.

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>>49016334
I don't entirely disagree but the difference is that the mechanisms to appeal to the west are already in place. The systems to succeed are well-studied and media itself is already oriented around fitting within those systems. Equivalents will probably eventually exist for China but for the time being, the business model of appealing to the Chinese (and surviving their bureaucracy) is a lot less understood.

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>>49017417
>Cover throwing the bug market for her
>Fubuki supporting her which caused her to get spammed
>leaves anyway
Ungrateful. The chinks were right especially now that she's showing her true colors.

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>>49016195
you can never get your money out of china anyway, it's all a scam and they're only learning this now.

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>>49017847
hi stabschizo

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>>49017550
The fact is that people are biased.
>appealing to the Chinese (and surviving their bureaucracy) is a lot less understood
No shit. Nobody here can read chinese or even bother to look at what they're doing. And yet the West is doing everything the chinks are doing and people still side with them because they can't understand chinese.
People here will bitch about anything. Whether in the timeline where HoloCN still lives or not.

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I feel like both parties lost at the end of the day, people seem to forget how Myth had been streaming for half a year and the first ever collabs they ever got to do with coco are when she was literally about to leave anyways.
also fuck ina for being a coward

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>>48993449
No doubt, and respect to Cover for doing it.

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Holy, so many new fags. CoCo didn't left for her own pride. Even though she might have some dispute with management, she also left for her colleagues. Goblins (CN schizo) kept spamming in every collab includes CoCo and attacked members who played well with her until her graduation. At that period of time, Hololive is not as dominant as nowadays.

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Sorry negros... Chama is too strong...

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>>48993449
ChatGPT tends to choose collective over an individual

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>>49019400
It has certain priorities

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>>49017847
Honestly anons defend Coco only because they hate china and thats it, her content was shit, her only stand out content is basically react content ie reddit review. But anons will still die defending her even though she is the one that pushed for westernization, one could even argue HomoEN is a result of her push.

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>>49018087
>>49016334
>>49013758
>the West is doing everything the chinks are doing and people still side with them because they can't understand chinese
Zhang sister, you can't just vague post to blame the West for China's problems.
It was not the West who decided to make a one child policy or blame all the sparrows for the great famine.
It was not the West who told Deng to visit Singapore and decide to learn from its capitalism structure.
The hundred years of humiliation is more of a communist propaganda prop piece to stoke nationalistic flames, aka communist Russia and North Korea rhetoric.
As someone with chink blood, I used to believe in China back in the 2010s, and thought everyone was exaggerating how bad things were and just "didn't understand how Chinese work". I hope for humanity that you either have some concrete examples of me being wrong and brainwashed, or that you're underaged.

The closest example in your favor is tranny posters harassing Pikamee off, but this pales in comparison to have the nationistic hivemind of bugmen harassing an entire company.

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Coco took Muse Dash from Gura and I will never forgive her.

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>>49019811
This. The current wave of shitposting is because of her. But noooo. The chinks were the bad ones.

>>49019836
>What is WW2?
Japs were slaughtering chinks and Murica had to save them because they want to flex the nukes.
And besides, everything you're using is Made in China anyway. You're indirectly supporting them just by living.

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>>48996289
Bro... If only. Getting a bit misty eyed thinking about it.

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>>48993449
Chinese puppet AI

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>>49010889
>greater good over the individual
Spoken like a true bugperson.

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>>48993449
It wouldn't have been their last problem if they kept pandering to China. It was better to cut them off early.

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>>49017049
It was CN feeling cucked due to Holo catering more towards EN audience and then going ape shit schizo and not being able to do the simple math that AsaCoco was always pre-recorded and uploaded/played as a premiere on YouTube and Coco was sleeping when Chammers said Taiwan so had no clue any of that was happening.

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>>49019811
I defend Coco because I love this bitch

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>>49021641
Most of my stuff has the made in Vietnam or thailand tag. The proliferation of chinese made products is declining

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>>49019923
I could unironically see Gura streaming more if they still have rhythm game perms. She was so happy playing muse dash..

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>>48993449

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>>49025878
Only because their standard of living has risen over the decades due to outsourcing of jobs from the West to China. Chinese want a decent wage now so manufacturers are going to poorer nations like Pakistan, India, and Thailand to produce stuff like textiles.

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>>48993449
Letting go of the entire Holostars EN branch would be the right decision right now
Sometimes you have to take the nuclear option

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>>49006686
He said the foreign branches have yet to turban profit. Bear in mind he said it back in November 2020 so things have presumably changed now

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>>48994227
Because that's how things work in China, China will always side with local citizens over foreign businesses and they know it, so any local branch of an international company can do whatever the fuck they want and all the company can do is either deal with it or cut them off and pull out entirely

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>>48995980
>>48997262
>>48993449
so many chink subhumans here
>Verification not required.

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>>49000862
>tempiss, and unity fags and EN mori/kronii etcsame yab but obviously less drama

No one apart from the schizos on this board actually care about that shit. Touch grass.

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>>48993449
Doing business in mainland China is very difficult unless you're a massive corporation with very good local connections. They'll scam you, fuck you over in business deals, have trouble delivering on promises, etc. I would be very surprised if things like that weren't a contributing factor to the decision of pulling out.
China also has pretty obnoxious censorship laws and complying with them is not always easy.

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>>48993449
yes