/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

I wish there was some way to see inside Cover and know what their strategy was. Why did they experiment with the EN branch instead of ID? What were they looking at that made TWO male generations seem like a good idea? Why did they ask the female streamers to subsidize the males at their own expense? Did they really think EN fans would be excited to see their favorite girls make a bunch of new male friends that they hang out with on stream? They must have thought it would profit everyone, but what could have made them think that? It was obviously destructive to the Niji females; did they think Holo fans were different? Did they really think no EN debuts for two years was acceptable and how could they have thought the two male generations would be well received in that context? It seems like T3MPUS was meant to be EN3, but that would be so obviously stupid it must be impossible. What was going on?

[Anonymous No.]

Blame the dude named "popular"

[Anonymous No.]

They wanted their own luxiem
That's it

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701214
>>48701411
I just can't understand why they did it. Obviously it would be great to have a successful male branch too, but everyone can see what happened to the female NijiENs after Luxiem. There must have been some sort of rationale used to explain why it totally wouldn't harm HoloEN to do this.

[Anonymous No.]

>What were they looking at that made TWO male generations seem like a good idea
First, it was a gen of 6 people that ended up becoming 8 and split into two.
Second, they were looking at Luxiem.
Imagine looking at Vox income and thinking to yourself "Damn, I want that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701411
It's this. They thought their first male generation was going to have the same effect Luxiem did. They just didn't realize that Luxiem had the same lightning in a bottle effect myth did: the first generation of guys from a major corporation drew in a lot of attention because it was an untapped market. And just like no EN generation has been able to catch Myth, no EN male generation will ever catch Luxiem.

As for why they thought no girls for two years would be OK, I honestly think they thought Tempus would be way better received than they are, and would be EN3 in the eyes of the fanbase. I doubt they expected the fanbase as a whole to reject the guys to the degree they did, because they were basing it off of evidence from another company instead of the company they already work for. They didn't understand their customer base, pushed for things the vast majority of people didn't want instead of what they did, and the whole EN branch is stagnating as a result.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701411
>>48701624
>>48701820
That's the most likely explanation, you can tell they back tracked about it a lot since the beginning of the year, and i bet the disparity in viewership between the 2 new year countdown streams play a huge part in it.
Not to mention the ungodly amount of drama it caused early on.

[Anonymous No.]

They wanted their own Luxiem.
Even with that, they're doing better than most of their JP senpais so that's a huge win by itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701411
It was hopeless the moment models were revealed

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
I wish there was some way to see inside OP's head and know what their strategy was. Why did they post this and not something better ? What were they think that made them post another thread whining about Tempus seem like a good idea? Why does he keep thinking about them? Did he really think other anons would be excited to see another thread whining about Tempus? He must have thought it he was being original, but what could have made them think that? It was obviously destructive to the board; did they think other anons were different? Did he really think another Tempus thread was acceptable and how could he have thought whining would be well received in that context? It seems like OP is secretly gay, but that would be so obviously stupid it must be impossible. What was going in with OP?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701820
>>48702043
it's the most likely explanation but it's fucking insane. Coed streaming had already destroyed the NijiEN girls' fanbases by the time they started recruiting for Tempus. In what world did it make sense to do the same thing with their own EN branch? Did they think Tempus would be more popular than HoloEN?

[Anonymous No.]

Why are tards replying seriously to this shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48702343
because fuck you

[Anonymous No.]

>>48702343
>nooo every thread must be shitposting central

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701599
Jap companies don't (care to) understand what western audiences want

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
2022 was Cover's hail mary to save Holostars; it failed and it fucked up HoloEN in the process. Now all Cover is left with are 12 useless guys (maybe 11 if Gamma can maintain his Apex/Rust momentum) that are going to clog up the queue for internal resources.

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>>48702343
Bitches don't know about my loop

[Anonymous No.]

>>48702586
That's the thing though: the Jap company thought TOO hard about what western audiences want. The JP hololive fans have also pretty much completely rejected Stars, but Cover thought it would be different in the EN space. They got it in their head that Luxiem succeeded, and Western audiences don't really have an idol culture and wouldn't care like the JP fans do. What they failed to realize is that the window into idol culture is what many hololive EN fans appreciated and liked about hololive. It's what set it apart and led to their success. If they would have just continued to do things like the JP branch did by having Stars be a completely separate thing instead of muddying the waters with "holopro" and trying to force Tempus as EN3, hololive wouldn't have stagnated. They overthought the western audience and pushed themselves out of their own niche as a result.

[Anonymous No.]

the simple answer is "they listened to filipinos on reddit and thought they were westerners"

[Anonymous No.]

Most people say Cover was trying to emulate the success of Luxiem, but is Cover retarded enough not to have EVER looked at the demographics of Luxiem's fanbase?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48703093
I don't think Cover looked at them at all beyond "EN males" and thought "yeah we can do that"

[Anonymous No.]

>>48703093
Companies make shit decisions all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48703093
Yes. They are

[Anonymous No.]

The most likely rationale would be a business strategy to attempt to kneecap Luxiem. Best case scenario is that they grow big to directly compete against them, which didn't happen. Worst case scenario would be they don't grow big and are still held back by the Holostars brand debuff, but even then they took away a good chunk of potential audience from Luxiem, which contributes to why the latter has been languishing as 3k-5k shitters lately now as opposed to 10k+ on the regular before Tempus came.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48703276
at least that's one silver lining to the homos existence

[Anonymous No.]

>>48703276
They didn't even do that. Luxiem died on their own when their Chinese tourists stopped giving a fuck and moved on. Hell, that Korean 3D boyband probably did more to kill Luxiem than Tempus did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48702487
That's what this thread is

[Anonymous No.]

>>48703276
It only cost them the entire EN branch

[Anonymous No.]

>>48703813
Literally nothing changed for HoloEN after Tempus

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
Management has no skin in the game. If their idea fails, it might result in them getting fired, MIGHT, so they dont give a shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>48702300
they don't care about drama, it literally never hits cover's ears. it only hits the talents, which is why the girls constantly strike back and have "health issues."

[Anonymous No.]

>>48704150
Tempus caused enough drama for EN management to put out a statement

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
There's definitely been a change of strategy since Tempus 2. A-Chan interacting in English more, the fact that none of the girls have collabed with them, compared to the forcefed weekly streams with Vesper and Magni. Locking the subreddit was probably a huge wake up call

[Anonymous No.]

>>48704278
That was Kronii's viewers

[Anonymous No.]

>>48703880
What kind of bizzaro universe are you fucking living in?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48703880
Except tte huge drop on ccv for almost everyone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48703880
Moris ccv, kronii merch
Ok sis

[Anonymous No.]

>>48704338
It was more than Kronii. Faggots on both "sides" had been waging their holy wars across the branch. That's why the statement was vague enough to also cover not pressuring the girls into collabing with Tempus

[Anonymous No.]

>>48704458
So it's Tempus' fault that the shipping on Kronii's merch is $150?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48703880
Imagine being this fucking blind...

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
EN management is run by libtards and trannies. What do you expect? The blue and pink hair dye has seeped into their brains and made them retarded. Many such cases!

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701411
I still remember that cope from around Luxiem's debut lmao.
>W-well when Hololive debuts males, they'll blow away Luxiem's numbers!
They basically just automatically assumed that Hololive just naturally gets higher numbers than everyone else for free. Not surprising people pretended they never said shit like that, once things turned out so poorly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
>I wish there was some way to see inside Cover and know what their strategy was.
Buy enough of Cover's stock to become a majority shareholder and you'll get insights into their thought process and business practices as well as a word in future decisions. Only (you) can prevent another Tempus disaster from happening

[Anonymous No.]

>>48704707
>Only (you) can prevent another Tempus disaster from happening
Or better yet, have them fucking disband completely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48704534
If you watch streams there's no difference

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>>48704523
Is this the new cluck cope? Unironically yes then. Spend the money they used on tempiss and tempoop, not to mention the money lost from severing the trust in EN directly into improving merch shipping. They'd have made more money supporting the girls than propping up the 3 views

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
>Why did they ask the female streamers to subsidize the males at their own expense?
The mental gymnastics people will do to avoid blaming the streamers is ridiculous. If they really didn't want to do it, they could have said no. It's not like this is speculation. The fact that there are people who to this day have not collabed with any of Tempus is proof that they have the option to refuse.
I don't know what you are. A teamate? A kronie? But you have got to stop infantilizing your oshi. She's a grown woman. She made her own decision and you're going to have to live with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
Hololive is business, Tempus is a hobby.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48705052
They both make money and have a different audience, which is good for business

[Anonymous No.]

>>48705124
>Make money
Roru
>Have different audiences
The girls have an audience and tempiss don't, so guess you're right there.

[Anonymous No.]

I watch them. They are bros. Don't know what to whine about.

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>>48704892
>The fact that there are people who to this day have not collabed with any of Tempus is proof that they have the option to refuse.
Preeetty sure that's because those girls have not bothered inviting them in the first place. Not because the girls asked and the boys refused. Forgot which Tempiss faggot it was, but it said that they aren't the ones who reach out for collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48705124
They fucked up HoloEN’s money and crashed Cover’s business

[Anonymous No.]

>>48705820
weird way to write "lack of streams"

[Anonymous No.]

>>48705820
I'm sure they did, nijisis

[Anonymous No.]

>>48705937
Everyone is down, including the ones who never stopped streaming. Trying to sell Tempus as EN3 drove lots of Hololive fans away from HoloEN entirely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48704338
>falseflaggers from here and Reddit who jumped on one comment
ftfy

[Anonymous No.]

If it wasn't for those pesky tempus homos the post covid downtrend wouldn't have touched hololive obviously

[Anonymous No.]

>>48706528
>have to work harder after Corona
>they all get "sick" and stream less instead
I blame the homos

[Anonymous No.]

>>48706528
>>48706723
This is cope and it isn’t even related to the OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>48702136
>Even with that, they're doing better than most of their JP senpais so that's a huge win by itself.
That becomes less true as each week goes by because Tempus is gradually losing viewership and nothing they've done so far has stopped the bleeding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48704334
>334▶
Can you imagine the subreddit being locked for JP7? Never happening.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48706723
Retard

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>>48701820
Luxiem was the 1%er of hot voice and great timing
let's be frank most guys watch the cute girls only
most cute girls watch cute girls
1% faggots watch fags
1% pedo watch shota
1% troons watches they flavor of the month for the support
1% nutjobs watches Lexiem, which he already gobbled up
99% else watch girls
annoy the majority for the minority never a good thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>48705348
tempiss are nepotism hires.
friends of "friends" probally
but the forgot one key thing, you need to have some talent at least and be likeable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
OmegAltare trannyforcing his way into staff

[Anonymous No.]

>>48703473
That's why I said 'contribute'. They aren't the sole reason, but they did take part in Luxiem's downfall because when they debuted discussion started bursting everywhere (including outside of /here/) about how dubious Luxiem and Noctyx's quality and behavior has been compared to them. I estimate around 1k CCV per member of Luxiem's losses has been thanks to Tempus, with the rest (5k or more) being the loss of Chinese interest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
They wanted to catch up with two gens for each brand but there was also obviously some ulterior motives behind. Good thing Omega β is no longer there, unless he was replaced by someone even worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
I wonder if the thought that maybe the homos were a mistake came across anyone's mind at cover when they decided to hide the homos from their investors

[Anonymous No.]

>>48711036
They hired a new branches manager after they kick omegatrans out on late december 2022. They trying to rectify their disaster while also minimize collab but not entirely push them out based on collab cafe we seen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
>Your wish has been granted

[Anonymous No.]

>>48702807
>overthought
It's just the classic nip xenophobia. Gaijins don't deserve the hololive product that they fell in love with (it's why holol got popular globally in the first place. Gaijins who don't even speak nip watch holoJP clips and spread the word. Somehow this means foreigner fans want something different than hololive).
tl;dr Coverchama can't fathom the possibility that another culture could like & want the same things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
IMO their reasoning was something like this
>think that the western audience is completely different from the nip one (confirmed by Yagoo in an interview)
>see that the streaming scene in the west is COMPLETELY dominated by dudes, where in Japan things are more even
>see that every single big corpo does male collabs with no issue
>as such they thought that Tempiss had the chance to be even bigger than Myth and that there would be almost no backlash to them collabing with Holos
>think HoloEN is doing well enough by themselves and that don't need any support
it was just a retarded gamble and one that backfired harder than Cover would ever imagine

[Anonymous No.]

>>48712165
It's still stupid considering they saw how StarsJP fared. If the homos weren't attached to holopro but another name they probably would've fared better

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
Yagoo is a stars-fag and the original gen was increased in size last minute and split into two. Tourists go home.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48712165
I know it's retarded I'm just trying to show why in Cover's eyes Tempiss was going to be a massive success and one that could rival pirme Myth. Also keep in mind that at the time
>Luxiem was still a massive success and getting Gura tier numbers on their events
>Mori, a notorious homo collaber, just signed the UMG contract and was still getting amazing numbers on her event streams
both hilariously crushed and burned right after Tempiss with HoloEN losing their top 2 talents in the following months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48712165
>see that the streaming scene in the west is COMPLETELY dominated by dudes, where in Japan things are more even
The irony of this part is that outside of vtubing Japan streaming scene is dominated by males as well. It's only more even, because vtubing is big in Japan and it's dominated by women.

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>>48701599
>There must have been some sort of rationale used to explain why it totally wouldn't harm HoloEN to do this.
The rationale was making a fuckton of money if it worked

[Anonymous No.]

>>48712249
To be fair to them, the EOP / JSL viewers on Stars JP during that time was pretty sognificant compared to the small JOP viewers. So it's hard to gauge accurately without hindsight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48712165
>see that the streaming scene in the west is COMPLETELY dominated by dudes
The problem is that if this really is something they took into consideration then why did they give Tempus such faggy avatars?
Western male streamers are as big as they are because they act as surrogate friends for the audience. The fujo bait avatars completely break the surrogate friend illusion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701599
>>48701092
The answer is money, Luxiem was making a shit ton of it, a male branch was their response for the new chink audience, didn't work, now they can't just outright throw them away like trash because it would be bad PR

[Anonymous No.]

>>48715418
That's the problem with male vtubers in general. It doesn't really matter what male streamers look like. Most of the top male streamers look like they crawled out from under a trailer.
The whole point of the vtuber avatar appearance, so the fujo are some of the only potential audience for male vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
I'm pretty sure Tempus was intended as just a side hustle. I doubt thet were expected to gain the same popularity as the girls, or even Niji males. I don't think Holostars JP had the same popularity as Niji males, much less the JP girls.

Now as for why they brought in more EN boys but not more EN girls, I couldn't really tell you. Maybe the EN girl market was already oversaturated but the EN boy market wasn't? Who knows.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48715418
Cover is scared to tell an artist that their design is shit, like how the fuck was IRyS first model even greenlit?
Not to mention that Yagoo explicitly stated that Tempus (first gen) were designed to be targeting towards male viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48715542
They can't throw them away but they should've had a contingency plan prepared in case their bet didn't work out. Not having an EN3 close to debut a few months after Tempus and instead pushing 4 more dudes was an insane decision and now they're most likely scrambling to make a new HoloEN gen as fast as they can, and that after a bunch of potentials who 100% sent their forms during the entirety of 2022 went to other agencies who gave a fuck about them unlike Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
VESPER

[Anonymous No.]

>>48716033
Yeah a few months ago they reminded people the auditions were open for HoloEN, I bet my left nut they didn't watch any of them and now are desperate.

[Anonymous No.]

they dont care if they're successful, if the woke cult cant control something and use it to push the message, destroying it is the next best thing

gotta support the cause after all

[Anonymous No.]

>>48716013
I think if Magni didn't collab with the girl who hated white people and Altare didn't try to fight their audience at the get go, then they might have had a chance. Vesper had no one to pass the baton to when he went menhera after the pressure of playing a cartoon character got to be too much for him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48716465
Magni desperately wanted to be part of the Asian twitch circle and it failed. That bitch tried to cancel Hololive after their collab and it didn’t gain traction cause Mizkif had a sexual assault drama at that exact moment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48716253
If we see new debuts in the coming weeks then they most likely started paying attention to the Hololive forms around late 2022, but if we don't hear anything about it until Connect the World them Cover straight up ignored anything not related to Holostars for over a year and I really don't want to entertain this possibility.

[Anonymous No.]

This is such a stupid thread. Everyone in here is retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

>>48716594
I agree. I think most of their picks would have been more comfortable/happy as StarsJP.
As a man trying to appeal to the West you have to realize a lot of us carry guns and we're "polite" to one another to the point of banter but it doesn't go beyond that.
We're a long term people. We're not going to fight over dumb shit because we have 401ks and other responsibilities. When we get off work we want to relax.
Westerners aren't hard to understand. Who is your most popular Holo? The chill shark girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48716617
The alternative is that they’re rushing Gen 4 after realizing they fucked up. Either way looks bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48702343
Because a lot of people don’t like the fags and are willingly choosing to join this timeloop. Just like me frfr.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48702186
Hey. I noticed you put in a lot of effort only to get no (you)s and I felt bad for you. Your post was boring but I can tell you thought it was clever enough. Good attempt bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48704334
Lol. Them locking the subreddit just signaled that they know people wouldn’t like this. I’m glad cover is willing to do anything to push the fag pet project for Yagoo’s grooming purposes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48706024
Classic. It is harder to be excited about shit in EN anymore when I’ve witnessed Cover waste over a year on 8 fags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48716850
By Gen 4 you mean ID4 or you mixed with EN3? But yeah, rushing them is also bad on it's own because who the fuck knows who they can get in such a short notice. Idol and Phase Connect are getting ready to debut their new gens and who knows how close we are for NijiEN's next wave so there's a lot of girls who certainly gave up trying for HoloEN and decided to go for any agency who actually paid attention to their auditions while Cover was too busy pushing a bunch of dudes who need to raid each other to get more than 1k viewers.

>>48717654
And the worst part is that they locked it on Watson's birthday, so no one was allowed to make threads about it. Imagine if they tried to do this shit during Gura's birthday?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48707688
I could see them locking down the subreddit only because there would be spam about finally having a new gen people wanted. Or at least some threads getting locked or some mass janny swept comments removed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48711036
Wow. Why isn’t Yagoo proud of his boys? They are great successes after all! I mean look at the recent Tempus gens! If we compare them to that one low 200 CCV StarsJP Faggot with the glasses then they’re basically as popular as Gura!

[Anonymous No.]

>>48717846
If EN3 comes out soon it means that the audition was for Gen 4 and they’re playing catch up for fucking around for two years. If it comes out at the later half of the year then it means the auditions for EN3 after all. There’s a realistic chance that Tempus 3 comes out before EN3 as well and it would be time deaf as fuck if they did that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48713994
They should have looked at the kind of male streamers dominate the west. There will be no corpo Stars fag as “entertaining” to an audience in the west as XQC slamming the fart, Asmongold talking about WoW for the 999999th time, Ishowspeed being a cunt on Valorant, Dellor saying the N word, and so on. Good luck emulating that kind of massive western male streaming “success” with your soft boy faggots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48716831
>we're "polite" to one another to the point of banter but it doesn't go beyond that.
Wtf do you mean? Japs can carry guns too they just have another legislation. Airsoft, shooting ranges and 18th century or 3D printed gun crime exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48718010
>There’s a realistic chance that Tempus 3 comes out before EN3
I refuse to believe this is any way realistic. That wouldn't be just tone deaf, it would be Cover shitting on it's main audience after releasing 3 Holostars gens in succession without a single Hololive gen in-between (reminder that Uproar debuted after ID3), not to mention making StarsEN have more members than HoloEN with half of it's age. That's way too much of a doomer scenario and after Cover went public there's no way the investors will allow Cover to do some bullshit like that, especially when they're already cutting costs with the StarsJP branch by cutting their yearly merch in half.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48715542
It worked out fine for HoloCN

I think the sad part is regardless of the hilariously bad numbers on the CCV side of things, the homos are actually doing comparable SC numbers to some of EN, which presumably would translate to similar merch sales numbers if it's the same faggots buying merch as the ones sending SCs

[Anonymous No.]

>>48716465
Magni was being a retard for that collab and I will never forget that. The sheer amount of shitposting that can come from those kinds of collabs muddy the waters and can make streaming, comments sections, and discourse more annoying than it ever has to be.

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>>48718153
We Americans carry guns on a whole different level my friend. We're also the ones who revoked the Emporer's God status. Both of these facts greatly paint how we see entertainment from Asia(ns).
I personally love the Japanese probably more than I should, but as a collective we see Asians as a people to hug and play with. An ally. So when we get challenged by them usually it's met with confusion rather than animosity.
In the entertainment sphere it's like petting a cat lying on its back and having it scratch you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48718281
I say that because Cover announced Tempus auditions in December and didn’t officially announce they were looking for girls until ID4 reminder announcements.

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>>48716594
>That bitch tried to cancel Hololive
QRD on this? That 39daph bitch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48718403
*tips my fedora at you*

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>>48718304
Afaik only Bettel is doing exceptionally well in the SC department while the rest is already below most of Hololive. What Tempus has in droves is memberships but they're 99% gifts so it's just a very small group of people buying for everyone who would never do it themselves and aren't likely to buy merch either.

>>48718483
I know about that but after how mediocre to bad the reception for Tempus 2 was there's no way they didn't reconsider pushing another gen so fast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48718514
After the collab she said she’d never collab with Hololive/Stars again because of the backlash over the Magni/Daph drawing collab. Where she reiterated that all of the Hololive/Stars fans are insane for bringing up how she decided to list random racial insults/names for white people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48718519
Assuming this isn't a bot post, I don't think zoomzooms even know what this is referring to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48716671
Great input. Thank you. I love the heckin' wholesome boys now just because I read your well-reasoned post. I'm going to watch their clips as hard as I can

[Anonymous No.]

>>48718570
Man. It must be really annoying for some (definitely not all) of the YouTube Vtubers to get so many gifted and have it fuck with their chats (members only) or member streams to some extent. On Twitch no one really does extra shit and getting gifted a sub/mem there just means new emotes. I imagine that wouldn’t be an annoyance for any of the Stars though, as they need to take whatever they can get. Either way I’m glad that the only thing going for the entire years worth of work on onto debuting homos in EN is one high heel wearing faggot who gets good whale money. Bravo cover. Impressive hiring, impeccable decision making. Why did Yagoo try to hide the Stars to investors again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48718742
Make sure to like and subscribe to the boys’ clipping channels! That way you can get the latest funny haha moments without ever having to visit a stream!

[Anonymous No.]

>>48718583
Sounds like typical Western shit behavior, wouldn't be surprised if more backlash happens when they try to collab outside the Holo bubble again
I actually like the Holo bubble to prevent this shitty Western scene from infecting it

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701820
>>48701411
It also helps that Luxiem had a great dynamic unlike Tempus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48718790
I think last year was his Hail Mary to make Stars a brand he could proudly show off to investors (even if it was just a footnote as a branch that had some growth). Uproar flopped hard, Tempus had some hype at the start but it’s just slowly bleeding into irrelevancy.

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>>48718920
The original Tempus 4 had a good dynamic up until Vesper's suspension though

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>>48718891
Yeah I'm their biggest fan ever, I like all of their tweets and watch at least one clip a day. It's exhausting being such a super fan but our precious boys are worth it.
Merch? They have merch? Nah the shipping cost seems too expensive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48718997
Buy voice packs, it's merch without shpping

[Anonymous No.]

>>48718790
The worst part is that the clown faggot was already hired by the time the first gen debuted. Cover had all the "good" performing homos by July of 2022 but instead of debuting all of them and moving focus to EN3 they decided to wait, do another round of StarsEN auditions just to get two dudes who need raids so their normal streams can go over 1k viewers.
>Why did Yagoo try to hide the Stars to investors again?
Oh you know why.

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>>48718975
Well I’m glad then that he failed. He should be embarrassed to bring them up in front of investors. He should be even more embarrassed if and when he gets asked about the EN branch as a whole and the decisions made there.

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>>48719152
? Why would anyone do that? I hear their voices all the time when I watch their clips.

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>>48718991
I used to like Vesper, but it hasn't been the same since the suspension and that awkward JP trip. I can't even pin-point why but it just feels...different

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>>48718790
Where did the "Yagoo tried to hide Stars from investors" come from?

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>>48719414
Cool vampire autist who is just like me frfr actually turns out to be some sort of seething monkey behind the scenes who managed to get himself suspended before anyone else. Then when he’s back he’s clearly in some sort of conflict with his “guild leader” that goes on for weeks. Destroying the “bro unity” image. During this time he jumped on to mixed collabs and seemingly was avoiding his guildmates. As for the Japan trip. I can’t take any motherfucker seriously who says they “forgot” their meds for a month or some shit like that.

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>>48719717
Some Cover IPO report that’s been linked before in other threads. I’m sorry that I can’t spoon feed this one because I never saved the links or pictures and I’m too lazy to do my reps. Basically he didn’t even bring them up until someone asked about them, and he then had to explain why they weren’t nearly as popular as other male vtubers or the girls in Hololive. Which of course he couldn’t give a real answer to. Basically people say he was trying to “hide” them because it was never his intention to have a meaningful discussion about them, if even bring them up in the first place.

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>>48719754
That's definitely what did it for me, missing that full Tempus collab and the "anxiety meds" that was never brought up or hinted at previously, even Mumei the resident retard mentioned how she's got anxiety somewhere in her streams

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>>48719717
In the document Cover released after going public for the investors they mentioned the Stars once or twice but only that they exist while the rest is telling all the shit they achieved with Hololive and their numbers, even comparing them with other agencies like Nijisanji.

>>48719973
That was actually an interview that was published around the same time and not the report.

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>>48719973
People say he was trying to hide them because he said he wouldn't answer anymore questions regarding the Stars when investors asked him what his plan was to grow their channels.

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>>48720027
Prefacing this by saying that I’m not a Tempiss fan, would prefer if they didn’t exist, BUT. But regardless of any of that. I’ve been on anxiety meds. I would NOT forget them if I were going to a new place with new people with different expectations and so on and so on. Even if it’s just for a vacation. Idk it’s weird af.

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>subsidize
how exactly did they subsidize the males, op? Does a company hiring new workers mean they were subsidized by the workers already there? Does this mean Luxiem subsidized basically every single female liver that came after them?

[Anonymous No.]

If fleshtuber men can succeed, why can't vtuber men?
(Yagoo your current strategy isn't working.)

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>>48719973
https://c-eye.co.jp/eq/ipo-eq/66679
>―競合のANYCOLOR<5032>と比べると、男性VTuberの登録者数は、それほどインパクトのある数字ではないが、男性VTuberの世界は、女性VTuberとは違うのか。違うとすればどう伸ばしていくのか
>谷郷社長:そもそも我々は女性VTuberが強く、ANYCOLORは男性VTuberが強いプロダクションで、それぞれの強みを生かした形でチャンネル登録数が比例して存在する。これ以上はちょっと答えようがない。

>-Compared to its competitor ANYCOLOR <5032>, the number of male VTuber subscribers is not as impactful, but is the world of male VTubers different from that of female VTubers? If so, how do you plan to expand the number of male VTubers?
>President Tanigo: To begin with, we are a production company with a strong female VTuber presence, and ANYCOLOR is a production company with a strong male VTuber presence, and the number of channel subscriptions is proportional to the strengths of each. I can't answer any more than that.

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>>48720919
Better late than never on that realization I suppose.
How about spinning off the Holostars into an entirely new independent production group so we don't have to have this turmoil in the fanbase anymore Tanigo-san?

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>>48721035
Expel the J..Stars!

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>>48720429
Do you think that the Holostars would have big 3D concerts and a slot at a massive expo like Hololive Super Expo if the girls didn't exist?
Of course not. Therefore they're getting access to extra resources because they're attached to an actually successful group (the girls). AKA a subsidy.

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>>48720594
vtuber men can succeed but they have to be good streamers, not woke faggots and interact well with chat

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>>48701411
>They wanted their own luxiem
That's funny cause Luxiem is irrelevant af right now.

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>>48715542
isn't clown man raking in a ton of money

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>>48701092
After one year and people are still seething with the same mental gymnastics. I kinda understand why Mori likes yo "own the haters".

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>>48720027
>>48720398
starfag here. He didnt just forget his meds like everyone memes about. He wasnt allowed to bring them them on a plane due to japanese drug smuggling laws. Its unknown exactly what hes taking but its some kind of class A narcotic

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>>48716033
I really much doubt they went to other agencies.
Most of the people applying for hololive are probably "hololive or bust". Do you think any of the EN1 or EN2 would go to other agencies if they failed to get in?

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>>48722657
And he didn't had any prescription to help him or another medication with a similar effect that he could bring/buy there?

[Anonymous No.]

I bet they'll release Holostars Gen 3 first instead of HoloEN gen 3.

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>>48722657
And yet it's not his first time going to Japan, and nothing like that happened last time

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>>48722873
I would agree with your point if we had a single new EN debut in 2022. Instead we had 8 dudes while Cover acted like the open auditions were exclusively for StarsEN, and I doubt that didn't make a lot of the girls who wanted to become Holomem disillusioned with the whole process.

[Anonymous No.]

>this thread

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>>48722873
Would you refuse to find work at Company BCD because Company A stated it wasn't hiring this year but maybe they might hire 5 people next year? Also Company A would appreciate experienced and motivated applicants

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VG was the mistake.
HQ was doing just fine by themselves. Most streams hovered around 1.5-2k, which is pretty good for Stars streams. Then VG happened and spread the audience even thinner. Plus they ruined the vibe that HQ brought with them with their fujobaiting bullshit (Red fuck is the primary culprit of this).
Bettel is the only one worth having around from VG. Should've lumped him into HQ at debut and scrapped the idea of VG for at least a year or longer (or not at all, which would have been best).

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>>48724059
No reason to join companies BCD if they won't get you an increase in viewers or revenue

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>>48724121
And no reason to wait for company A to start hiring again after not doing it for almost 2 years.

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>>48721114
That's not what a subsidy means, retardchama. Once again, I draw your attention to Luxiem and all the females that came after them. Mysta and Vox brought back Nina and Mika's careers from the dead. If you're going that far then Myth got subsidized by JP. Or do you think Calli and Kiara would've made it big if they didn't debut as the first Holo EN gen?

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>>48727054
Regardless of the wrong word usage Holostars wouldn't have anything if it wasn't for Hololive. The 3D models, the 2 concerts, their appearances in all big HoloPro events, if it wasn't for the girls the dudes wouldn't have any of this.

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>>48722657
Not quite. He didn't know the current legal status wrt drug carrying (asked too late and manager didn't get back to him in time) and he's a bit of a retard who defaults to not doing the thing instead of risking it even if it's critical for managing his personal wellbeing.
It was a legit retarded move and I think he understands that now.

>>48722971
A personal trip is very different.

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>>48704892
It was the same shit with Vesties at the beginning, they were absolutely sure Vesper was being forced to collab with the girls, because God forbid it's not all managements fault but also the streamer's own stupid decisions
Yes, Tempus affected the whole branch, but at some point you just gotta accept Kronii and Mori got the worst of it because of their retarded fixation on destroying idol culture.

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>>48732896
I don't think anyone defends Kronii and Mori's bullshit. Even Rrat slowed down the collabs with Tempus 1 and barely did anything with Tempus 2, only talking with Hakka during her birthday zatsu but pretty much ignoring them since that.

[Anonymous No.]

>ANOTHER tempus seethe thread

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>>48721035
Rather than realization, it's more like he's covering for holostars.
>our male talents' numbers are bad compared to nijisanji because our company is known for the female talents

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>>48738983
>our company is known for the female talents
>but we still debuted 12 male talents in 9 months without a single new female talent in between
I don't want to be on Yagoo's place trying to explain this to the investors.

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>>48704833
>new
No, that's been it all along.
You can pretend it's new if you like though.

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>>48732896
>Kronii hates idol culture
The ESL rrat that refused to die.

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>>48743049
You can blame Kronii for that.

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>>48743378
>Blame Kronii for her getting miss-quoted out of context
But I'm not a retard?

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>>48743550
She shouldn't be discussing anything on the comment section of a random clip in the first place, let alone bring up "idol culture" to explain "double standards" in shipping of all things.

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>>48701092
Tempiss ruined HoloEn. That much is true.

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>>48701092
k

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>>48745144
Can't ruin what was innately shit automatically. All western vtubing is nothing but fat greedy deceitful whores.

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>>48739860
That's why he shat out so many homos before the IPO.

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>>48748168
I wonder if that means there won't be any more homos before another Hololive gen, or a few of them.

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>>48701092
They had no good female applicants because everyone talented is already making decent money with total freedom on twitch

[Anonymous No.]

Rent free.

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>>48748714
I think 2022 was Yagoo's hail mary at salvaging Homostars before the IPO where they'd need to justify their existence/potential expansion. If HomoEN were a hit, they could have pushed forward but now that it's obvious that they're a failure in two cultures, they probably have to dial things back.

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>>48743736
Engaging with the fanbase as little as possible is definitely the better idea

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>>48701092
Nah you guys are just sexist

[Anonymous No.]

THOU SEEKEST A NEW TALE??

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>>48749208
And the only thing this hail mary proved harder is that nothing will make the absolute majority of the Hololive audience watch the dudes.

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>>48724088
>VG was the mistake.
Correct. Hakka, Flayon and Shinri were all bad picks. Even /MANS/ won't talk about their streams. Hakka is a good kid but he's not very interesting and his english is worse than Kiara's, which is not good for a talent in an EN branch. Flayon is too much of a spaz and is so cringe that he could put even a deadbeat off. Shinri might be the most boring streamer in all of Holopro, he's got a nice baritone voice but that's it.

HQ+Bettel would've been ideal, then wait a year to expand if they've built enough of a beachhead for the stars EN brand. Now Tempus has to try and carry on with 3 dead weight talents in a group that could only carry maybe 1. It certainly doesn't help that Vesper ruined his credibility with that Japan trip without his meds, but he had such a strong start that he can still keep going with a reasonable amount of success.

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>>48752156
>3 dead weight talents
The only members who never slip to 3 view territory nowdays are Vesper and Bettel. It's rare for Magni but it does happen sometimes, and it's starting to become much more frequent with Altare and Axel.

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>>48752431
>Altare and Axel
Right but there's a wide difference between <1000 CCV and <500. Plus those two add value to the brand itself, Altare is all in on Tempus and will do as much hard work as it takes to help them succeed, and Axel speaks JP, which gives him utility, plus he can network with JP vtubers and grow himself Roberu style.

They were doing fine as a 4-man unit that focused heavily on tempus unity (working together like you'd expect an adventurer's guild would do), though that went to shit due to Vesper's antics. Hakka, Flayon and Shinri, however, are dragging enthusiasm for Tempus down and ruining the hard work the HQ boys put in early on.

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>>48701092
The OG (except the blue one) are great. Fuck cover for debuting a second gen so soon and fuck Vesper for going menhera and ruining the group dynamic. Those early months were the best...

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>>48753224
Networking with JP vtuber will do fuck all for someone who's supposed to be EN. If he's not streaming on JST friendly hours and in Japanese he won't see any growth from that side, and even when he is doing all of that the Japanese audience will always chose other vtubers who cater to their market like how we saw Gamma and Astel having often twice as many viewers than Axel had during the Rust arc. You do have a point regarding the whole unity thing carrying them hard and that pretty much exploded after Vesper's suspension, which happened just after Pokémon's release and completely fucked with their planned co-op playthrough.

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>>48753965
Vesper's suspension was a temporary derailment IMO, they could have recovered minus some of the momentum they had built, it was the falling out between Vesper and Altare afterwards combined with Vesper going off his meds and avoiding all collabs with the other guys for 2 whole months that fucked their unity. I think the Pokemon co-op playthrough would've petered out eventually but not before they wrung more numbers (for lack of a better word) out of it. Vesper's popularity was halved by his unmedicated bullshit and the entire group was dragged down. Then comes VG...

[Anonymous No.]

Another great shareholder thread. Well done gents.

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>>48754642
Considering the stuff you mentioned happened after the suspension I think it's not wrong to say that was THE event that changed everything. We don't why it happened but things definitely changed after he came back and he even took a few days longer to go back streaming unlike all the other Holo and Starsmem who got suspended before him so I doubt that whole event was just a temporary setback.

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>>48701092
Yep, it was clear that ID is more tolerant of males than EN
Why didn't they start Stars there instead?

[Anonymous No.]

VG was a mistake. Should have just replaced Altare with Bettel and let them have their niche fanbase for a long while.

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>>48755700
Probably because they didn't saw any reason to go over the same steps they did with Hololive this late into the game and after NijiEN got their own lightning in the bottle with Luxiem. It's clear that Tempus was a desperate attempt to not allow Anycolor to dominate the western male vtuber market like they did in Japan, but they decided to dump all their chips into the homos while putting what should've been their focus and where they were always stronger than Nijisanji in the backburner. Thankfully NijiEN also entered their own and much stronger state of declining popularity to the point Tempus now somewhat "competes" with Luxiem, but I doubt this is the kind of "success" Cover wanted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48755904
This...

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>>48755904
>>48757871
When it was just “HQ” Tempus they were doing weekly collabs with HoloEN and you defended it because only one of them speaks Japanese. It sucked for Hololive fans.

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>>48704523
lmao discordtrannies are still trying to use this feeble cope
if they wanted to buy their oshi's goods they'd have found a way, like everybody else did for theirs
but these fags didn't because twittertroons with their likes and leddit upboaters don't buy merch ever
most neither watch streams nor clips

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>>48701411
Did it work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48761045
Not really. Got a few whales but that's about it.

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>>48701092
Tempus wasn't a mistake
Not debuting EN3 after 2 years was a mistake

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>>48761700
One is absolutely related to the other. Cover wanted their own Luxiem and did everything to make Tempus THE main characters of 2022 for the EN branch and have as many chances for them to be successful. It's likely that in their eyes debuting an new HoloEN close to them would take all the attention away from them so that's why they didn't even have an EN3 ready to debut in case their big bet didn't work, because in their minds the possibility of it backfiring wasn't even considered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48762525
Coincidently I’ve watched less Hololive content this past year! Hmm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48761700
>>48762525
Tempus is EN3
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BW86Wt7B0rA

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
it's not two, it was supposed to be one generation.

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>>48762677
Oh yes, the retarded cope tempusfags can't stop posting on every single thread. If they're EN3 then they're a massive failure compared to all the girls who came before them, but then you'll say they should be compared with the girls because they're Holostars so we'll enter on the same paradox that they're are EN3 but shouldn't be treated as such for some reason. Regardless, EN3 will always refers to HoloEN3, or HoloLIVE EN3 if you're one of the new fags who think people should use "Live" to refer to the girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
Strategy 1: We want Luxiem audience
Strategy 2: If 1 fails, get some help from HololiveEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>48762999
Strategy 3: if both 1 and 2 fails... Profit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48762794
But sister always said tempus is hololive, just like holostar is hololive the girl company.

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>>48715542
If they were trying to be even half as successful as Luxiem they would have given the first 4 Tempus boys way better models. They're ugly as shit and everyone shat on them when they were revealed. It's obvious they were trying to appeal to men with those designs.

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>>48763014
debut Tempus 3 of course

[Anonymous No.]

>>48704680
kek I remember when anons said the alien-looking purple fag with eyes so far apart you'd mistake him for a lizard would be the fabled "Vox killer". Guy has trouble even getting 1k on most of his streams now.

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>>48763469
>It's obvious they were trying to appeal to men with those designs.
I don't know a single dude who think their models are appealing, not to mention they wouldn't hire some Korean soft-boy faggot if they wanted any chance to attract male viewers. Regardless, if that was truly their intention and not a cope Yagoo cooked a few months after their debut to make them look a little better then they're even more retarded since they completely misunderstood their main audience.

>>48763563
Great idea if you want to see some of them dropping to 2view status.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
>"Sexism"
>*clapclapclapclapclapclap*

[Anonymous No.]

Life is a gamble
Man made a gamble, not once but twice

[Anonymous No.]

>>48761700
And even so, most of the talents that could fit are either too big as indies, too dangerous or already working for other corpos.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't understand why this is such a big issue. Don't like, don't watch. They grab a small niche of viewers and whether cover is bleeding money with this project or not is something we can only speculate about.

Poasting in bait thread btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>48761700
debutting EN3 now won't fix HololiveEN either
one of them will be retarded enough to pull what baelz did early on her career (acknowledging stars) and Hololive EN3 would be just discount council or worse it will be mixed gen iLuna style

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
They saw there was a female marked that was unattended. I bet you remember those pekora clips asking how many girls she had as subs.
And it worked because they get a bunch of members even though their ccv is low

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701411
This. It flopped way better than their attempt at Voiz though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
>How could they not know that a small portion of their fan base were parasocial basement dwelling incels?

Beats me anon. Beats me

[Anonymous No.]

>>48763586
I still remember when people unironically said magging and, because it kinda sounded like morbin', forced it into becoming a meme that literally nobody has used in the past 6 months.

I've never watched the guy so I hold no true hatred against him because of his fans or "fans" as the term spread beyond him, but man does it feel good seeing that shit die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48763805
Only one of them acknowledging them won't be a problem, and considering how Tempus 2 has been weirdly distant from HoloEN it seems that Cover put a soft separation between the branches. What would kill the branch was if they filtered anyone not willing to collab with the dudes, then the branch would perform worse than Council. Also Cover will never do a mixed gen because that would be an immense logistical nightmare on many fronts and no amount of fearmongering will turn this into a reality.

>>48763824
>And it worked because they get a bunch of members even though their ccv is low
90% of their recent memberships were gifted by a handful of whales who won't be able to do it forever, not to mention these members are a bunch of tourists who will at most use the emotes and never watch any of the members streams, let alone buy merch, concert tickets or watch important event streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48703639
literally how? take your meds schizo

[Anonymous No.]

>>48764101
>Cover put a soft separation between the branches.
I thank you for putting the signpost that you don't understand anything so early in your post, most anons trick others into thinking they're not retarded until the last sentence. You're a good man.

They're not even in the same Discord servers. Holostars is not nor has it ever been a branch of the Hololive family tree, it's a different tree planted in YAGOO's garden 50 feet apart. They can't be compared to Animare and Honeystrap's (former) relationship, Nijisanji and NijisanjiKR's (also former) relationship or Idolbu and Siro's (please make it stop) relationship. It's more comparable to Nijisanji and Yumenographia's relationship, and Nijisanji and Nanashiinku's relationship, or .LIVE and whoever that one company that went tits-up that used their proprietary app's relationship.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48764615 (me)
I meant to say Nijisanji EN, not KR, dunno how I made that fuckup.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48764615
>>48764634
I know about that anon, but you can't say Cover didn't try to shove Tempus in the Holobox after what happened with Tempus 1. I'm not retarded to believe the collabs were forced, but it's really weird how the girls who were super open to collab with the dudes early on and even organized a whole Worms tournament with them suddenly slowed down the frequency of those streams severely and barely interacted with Tempus 2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48762677
And they are massive failure as EN3

[Anonymous No.]

>>48763639
Tempus 3 will work, trust da plan

[Anonymous No.]

>>48762677
They're not, but with nearly 2 years since council, it's pretty obvious we got them instead of a Gen 3. In 2022. Last year, cover put all their resources into the Boys. They were so focused, they even debuted 4 more of them in January.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48764615
>They're not even in the same Discord servers.
That's true for JP. Not really for EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48763639
FWIW, it was the very fact that Magni and Vesper had shit models that I watched them for a while, since I knew they would attract less fujos/yumes
Though I eventually realized that without the cuteness factor inherent in the girls, when it comes to males, I simply prefer more traditional streamers/youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

So what I'm getting from all this is that we need a HolostarsID branch next to save Vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
>What were they looking at that made TWO male generations seem like a good idea?
TBF it was one that they staggered. Which was the right call desu. It'd have felt a lot worse if we were flooded with 6-8 at once.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48718991
>>48719414
>>48719754
Do we know anything substantial about what Vesper's yab was yet? I saw him talk about his "temper" but the closest I've been able to glean from lurking is a wishful-thinking rrat wherein he ranted about troons.
>>48754642
Also what's this Vesper-Altare war I keep hearing about? Did one of them specifically say they had a falling out? Have they just not collab'd since the suspension so people are theorizing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48765112
Cover should focus on their strong point, which is Hololive. If they want to keep debuting males, they really should reconsider the name, and maybe the type of content they have to make aswell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48767286
Vesper had a massive ego from early success and the pushback against all the mixed collabs was impossible to miss. I think management stepped in and asked everyone to tone it down and he pushed back, since mixed collabs are the only way for male vtubers to incline. He thought he was more valuable than the girls and got put in his place. Then he went to Japan to “accidentally” bump into Myth/Council, trigger le incels with a surprise offcollab, finally have sex with Kronii, and prove management was wrong. The girls all ghosted him because they aren’t complete idiots and he had a menhera breakdown.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48767529
Compelling rrat

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
Somewhat serious answer:
IIRC it was the EN audience who kept making a fuss over reprimands for "idol culture" yabs, that the native fanbase didn't bat an eyelash over. Towa getting suspended for having a MALE exist near her, Aloe getting graduated over the harassment she got for daring to imply idols get harassed, Mel getting ignored about her stalker problem (who might've been a goddamn employee in the end), etc.. AFAIK the JP audience would shrug and/or agree at the decisions since its normalized in this industry, whilst the kaigai nikki who just wanted funny anime girl playing vidya would be all "what the FUCK?!" each time and make outraged leddit threads, swarm talents with support, start Twitter campaigns and so on.
Point being, if I was Cover management; yeah no shit I'd assume the overseas audience would be the most open & least allergic to mixed-gender content. As was, to be fair, evidenced by NijiEN's steady growth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48767529
Thanks. What about his beef with Altare? I'm guessing they haven't talked with/about each other since November & I haven't been paying close enough attention to notice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48767352
>they really should reconsider the name
They tried: "Uproar" and "Tempus"
In fact, while teasing Tempus, they were trying to downplay the whole "holostars" thing
Problem is that they're also trying to associate them with the "hololive" branding via "hololive productions" and "holopro"

[Anonymous No.]

The entire company went to shit after Rushia graduated. Not just EN or Stars, the whole company is inherently worse off for the loss of one of Hololive's best and brightest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48767814
>As was, to be fair, evidenced by NijiEN's steady growth.
You think Cover ever considered the source of NijiEN's rapid growth at the time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48767916
Yes and just like happened in JP before the brand name didn't do them any favours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48767529
I like this rrat because, aside from the 'sex with Kronii' part, it sounds believable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48767529
Nice rrat
>since mixed collabs are the only way for male vtubers to incline
I wonder if management actually believed this

[Anonymous No.]

>>48768699
Friend I don't even pay attention to # metrics beyond sub count, don't give what I think on this topic too much credit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48767352
>they really should reconsider the name
I believe Tempus name is even more cursed than Holostars.
I also hate how starsfags keep referring to Hololive members as 'Live' and not 'Holos', If they want to create another gen/branch it better be called 'starslive'. There's no 'stars' in HoloTempus, they are so detached from their JP senpais. Oh change uproar too to 'uproarstars'.

>and maybe the type of content they have to make aswell
All Foreign branches of Hololive Production need project directors/content creators to create fresh contents and churning out ideas, just think of the chuubas as actors that need to be directed.

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>>48769826
>not UpStars
The pun is RIGHT THERE anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48767814
>Point being, if I was Cover management; yeah no shit I'd assume the overseas audience would be the most open & least allergic to mixed-gender content
In a way that's a truth. As much collabs created some drama, they not a biggest reason of rise of Tempus hate. Their biggest mistake was thinking overseas audience would gladly take male gen over female one. Tempus 2 announcement created more damage, than collabs ever did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48767286
Got mad because management messed up his 24 hours XCOM permissions twice

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>>48770014
Tempus 2 announcement marked a stark change in how the casuals started seeing the homos. Cover is absolutely retarded for even thinking debuting Tempus 2 before EN3 was even remotely a good idea. They absolutely killed any enthusiasm people had for Tempus and saw that Cover went full “ACCELERATE” while leaving the girls to stagnate while they’re literally begging on stream for more girls.

[Anonymous No.]

Biggest question is why they don't try to actively interact with JP, Stars has 21 JPs and ENs combined, which is enough for a tournament and event. It may be difficult to communicate with them during the stream, but meetings would be no problem with the use of translation apps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
It's >>48701411 plus the fact that they're now retarded when it comes to "talent scouting." Tempus was them scooping up some decent male vtubing indies before anybody else got them, basically. They won't debit en3 because there aren't enough valid candidates, they longer want to hire people to be vtubers who aren't already successful vtubers, and that's slim pickings for girls, so they wanted to get some guys before they were in the same situation.

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>>48770628
Most of them don’t particularly give a shit about JP stars outside of Rio who seemed to have befriended them.

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>>48770628
That wouldn't help anyone

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>>48701092
The fact that the male collabs have become scarce and the popular guys(Magni and Vesper) appear to be streaming less and less, makes me think shit must be pretty dismal behind the scenes. They are likely not getting the amazing experience they hoped for plus the models are shit. Cover doesn't seem to know what to do with the guys or how to market them because the fanbase is just not watching them outside of rare female collabs.

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>>48771260
Magni is doing more rm shit and burning out and Vesper literally goes minutes without talking while playing games. Vespers autism about being bad at games was pretty bad during his Hitman streams since he would constantly pause the game to look up what to do on each stage or ask chat to tell him the answer. A stark contrast to Fauna who just expirements and gives funny reactions to screw ups.

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>>48770628
They had some collabs, and Axel interacted with Astel and Gamma during Rust arc, but at the end of the day it's mostly pointless due to audience differences. Almost all EN members stream during Euro/NA prime time which is usually ~3-10AM in Japan, so any subscribers they get from collabs are unlikely to watch them regularly. Not only that, but their audiences are also small, and few viewers they'd gain from that would be unnoticed.
I'd even go as far as to say that HomoEN members are in a way worse position than HomoJP because they don't really have enough outside collab partners except for a few nijis and indies. The only meaningful collabs they had that gave them subs/viewers boost was from Kobo, Mori and Kronii, and maybe Ame/Bae. At least HoloEN girls can get tens of thousands of JP tourists from HoloJP to tune in during special events, but homos can't even get that. To make matters worse, EN vtubing is becoming extremely saturated with a bunch of Twitch indies, both male and female, with 50-500 CCV sucking viewers that would otherwise be watching anything Cover throws at them if it were 2020-2021.
Finally, they're blamed/hated for their shitty homo designs and for taking HoloEN3 spots as if any of those decisions were theirs to make. They were some small 1-2 views (except for Vesper and Bettel) just like many holo girls, and they took their chances to get into a better position just like everyone else. However, due to shitty circumstances, they're now blamed for every fucking thing that's happened or will happen. Being a homostar in 2023 is the equivalent of carrying a cross knowing that no matter what you do, you''ll be crucified at the end, and you're also bleeding (viewers) while you do that. Truly a masochist's dream.

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>>48771452
Agreed, perfect example on how being bad at games can still be entertaining... or it can be absolutely dreadful to watch

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Weird to think I'm checked out enough of Hololive now that I'm more interested in EN3 because I just want to see who's going/not going to fellate the homos, if they're going to have Watson/Kronii situations where they spring it on their viewers after who knows how long, and of course this board's reaction

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>>48770607
>>48771740
Yeah, I don't blame the tempus guys themselves, since they're arguably hurt even worse by Cover's retardation with debuting tempus 2 before EN3

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>>48701092
The common wisdom is that the western vtuber audience is different from the Japanese one, so Japanese companies have to work differently to appeal to their tastes. What they didn’t dwell on was what those differences actually were and what attracted western viewers to Hololive in the first place. On top of that, they saw western fans being supportive of the talents for stuff like what happened to Towa, Aloe, and Rushia, without realizing what made those situations different. They saw a lack of backlash against ENs interacting with StarsJP, and assumed that there wouldn’t be a NIMBY effect if the homos got an EN branch. They thought that EN males would boost their JP senpais, without thinking it might damage the EN girls. They got more dudes they wanted than they could fit in a single gen, then split it and got two schlubs to round it off for two groups of four, without thinking about how two successive rounds of male debuts would look, especially when everyone in the company has to clear their schedules for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>tempis thread
>bring luxiem in
Kek rent free in holobronies head this hard, that's why your male branch will never get popular, this board only sees them as a failed version of luxiem rip off

[Anonymous No.]

>>48770607
That even reddit had to go on a lockdown for 24h+ with the Tempus2 reveal really goes to show this

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>>48771452
>A stark contrast to Fauna who just expirements and gives funny reactions to screw ups.
God, I love Fauna.
>>48771740
>>48772555
Nah, fuck 'em. They're the ones who decided to join a company mostly known for their female talents. Am I being unreasonable and a hater? Sure, but I don't give a shit. Fuck Tempiss.
>>48772807
You hit the nail right on the head, anon.
>>48773078
>that's why your male branch will never get popular, this board only sees them as a failed version of luxiem rip off
That's pretty much what those posts who bring Luxiem up are saying, Nijifuckwad... Everyone is in agreement with this.

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>>48771740
I don’t feel bad for them at all. They might not have come up with the ideas that fucked up hololive english, but they signed on to participate. They decided to accept every invitation from the one hololive member who constantly starts drama with the fan base. Everyone hating them is the result of their own choices.

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>>48769022
Considering the whole "by popular demand" and removing the long standard month-long collab ban for the Stars back then I'd say it's pretty obvious what their thoughts on the matter were.
Whether they still believe this I don't know.

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>>48773078
Nijisis, I know this is like a rocket science for you, but you can criticize "camp" you are in. Yes, you don't need to suck Riku dick 24h per day.

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Tempus remind you guys of how talentless you really are. You’ll never get a chance to talk to your oshi in person; all the Tempus boys do is activate those insecurities.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48702136
>"they're doing better than most of their JP senpais"
In this screencap, they're losing to Astel in the middle of the night on his 3rd hour of Valorant. >>48701214

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>>48701092
>Why did they ask the female streamers to subsidize the males at their own expense?
In the case of Irys they didn't ask: commissions from her sponsored stream went to one of the new guys instead of her because the incompetent troon that runs starsEN and, apparently, Irys, gave her the same referral link as the stars guy who played the game before her.

In effect they robbed her of the 3 prime first hours of her sponsored stream, when any irystofags would've bought the game to support their oshi. This is way WORSE than cover's usual passive "tax" where a small sliver of talent-accured funds is put into a pot and then dolled out as a "salary" to help subsidize the less popular holos and satisy jap tax and labor/residential laws concerning a steady salary.

Whether the cunts did it intentionaly to help bolster the star's metrics for the purpose of fooling any future sponsors or whether it was just pure incompetence, who can say? Considering their previous actions to favor the stars and their shitty and dismissive treatment of Irys in general, I really can't tell either way.

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Also my god, get a life you fucking losers. Bitching about Tempus every day isn’t the act of strength that ya’ll think it is.

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>>48774049
We do it for fun

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>>48774049
>yall
go back

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>>48701092
It's so weird to look at these people who have males living rent free just because they are male.
You don't see any sign of intelligence from the drivel that they spew out.

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>>48771740
>Being a homostar in 2023 is the equivalent of carrying a cross knowing that no matter what you do, you''ll be crucified at the end, and you're also bleeding (viewers) while you do that
So, the classic Stars' experience? Dunno why Starfags don't like them more then, that's one of the things they wanted the most from any new Stars' gen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48701092
They bought into the meme that people watch this shit for anything other than vicarious relationships with the cartoon girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>48722094
Luxiem was pretty relevant up until somewhere after Iluna released, with the final nail in the coffin being the February drama conga line. I think that former permanently changed the group dynamics in NijiEN that made the overall branch less appealing, and the latter just almost completely ruined NijiEN’s public perception, leading to the collapse in viewership not just in Luxiem but in NijiEN as a whole.
>>48774049
>ya’ll
go back

[Anonymous No.]

>>48774135
What’s so fun about looking like pants pissing children? I’d think you fuckers were a majority of troons with how much hating on men goes on around here. It’s fucking hilarious.

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Uhhh i think

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>>48763986
It was a shill campaign
It's easy to recognize them if you frequent /v/
Those campaigns require x amount of comments and interactions during a timeframe

It's obvious when they post 5-6 comments in a row to hit quota and it suddenly stops being posted exactly x amount of time after an event (e.g: 24 hours after a new game release)

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>>48771740
What is it with everyone being obsessed with collabs?
Solo content is way better.

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>>48771740
The blue one is a troon shill and supports the harassment and cancelling of far better entertainers like Pikamee. Fuck him and the others like him. They deserve only the worst.
Disgusting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48774390
>hating men
Hiding behind anime faggots isnt men retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>48774438
therefore

[Anonymous No.]

>>48774390
They're not troons, it's just cuck mentality beta males being scared of other males.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48774638
Okay slick, keep telling yourself that. Hide behind that wall of infantile anime girls and act like it’s totally something straight guys would do in the real world. Back in my day we would have called you a fag and bullied the shit out of you.

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>>48774617
Don't all of them support the cause including the girls? Who played HL from HoloEN and HomoEN? Blue homo was just dumb enough to talk about it, but he's a zoomer who also has an actual homo (flayon) in his branch, so I wouldn't expect any less from him.

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>>48775034
>Who played HL from HoloEN and HomoEN?
They were forbidden, you think they decided not to on their own?

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>>48775079
Just to add, the JP branch played it and there were no issues.

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>>48774617
Has this nigger ever brought that up again? Or have they kept sensibly silent which is what he should've fucking done in the first place.
Keep your american bullshit politics out of shit I like it's not that hard no one else in the entire company, 50+ people, said a thing cept this homosexual gook.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48775079
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GTlWDJlw3U
Bae totally just decided she wasn't interested it was natural stop noticing things

[Anonymous No.]

>>48775034
Barred from playing by EN management, who're the common factor in everything that's wrong with that branch.
I think back to when they had to be separated in blockgame from JP and ID. How retarded are these people?

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>>48775304
>they had to be separated
They had to? I switched to JP few years ago, so my memory is really shit when it comes to EN related things, but I could have sworn that it was one of the girls (Kiara's?) idea to have them play on a separate server, and that they always planned to have those servers joined once they beat the Ender Dragon. Is this just my head canon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48704892
This
I dropped HoloEN way long before Tempus because the only ones that seemed to put in some effort were the ones i really handt connected with. Came across NijiEN, eventually got Luxiem'd and moved onto small ENcorpos/JPindies

[Anonymous No.]

>>48716831
This is like the most out of touch post I’ve seen that I’d expect a boomer to say

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>>48712165
>>48713994
>Have a couple of KINGS =/= Dominated

Female dont need to be 6views to make a bank out of streaming.

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>>48776336
All branches were separated initially, but ID for their first 9 months only had 3 members so it never made sense for them to be relegated to their own server. It took a while before management gave up and allowed them into the JP serve, I believe it happened around a month before the PekoMoona arc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48774595
What's so great about solo content anyways? I never really enjoyed it personally so idk why everyone else are so into it?

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>>48777771
Solo content is by far better when you are multitasking. Watching stream is actually quite a time consuming hobby so a lot of people actually work/studdy/do anything while watching the stream. Collabs are far to chaotics when you do that.

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>>48774218
Old starsfags dislike them because outside of a couple of them the rest don't seem that interested in interacting with the JP branch in any substantial way. They tried early on but after a while it seemed that they would rather collab with HoloEN or twitch e-celebs than with their JP senpai. Ironically they tend to be bigger fans of Tempus 2 just because they barely interact with Hololive as a whole.

>>48777771
Solo content is the bread and butter of a streamer and even if there are cases where they might be more interesting while interacting with someone else collabs will always be a small part of their content. If they're boring by themselves why should anyone bother with them?

[Anonymous No.]

What did we learn from this thread?

[Anonymous No.]

if only all male vtubers are cute, sounds cute, and looks like a cute sussy anime boy then we can all enjoy both genders as there would be no issue with parasocial since male vtubers would be even cuter than females if they would be like that :/

[Anonymous No.]

>>48763916
Why won’t the larger more accepting base watch the Stars, sister? How did le ebin evil incel make the stars so unpopular?

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>>48763986
kek I remember that. The memes were pretty funny but the guys shilling him were out of their mind thinking he would come close to any of Vox's stats. Not with an ugly model like that. They still try to cope by saying "we don't want any fujochink money anyway!!!" when he barely has any chinese fans anyway. They're all America and sea. The voxkiller meme is still one of the funniest things they tried to push.

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>>48771740
Good. Fuck em. Hope they get force graduated or bullied out of the industry. Simple as that.

[Anonymous No.]

They wanted luxiem, + they probably had consultants/EN managers/EN investors giving them bad advice about what the western market wants. It could have been way worse, they could have gotten a tranny or negro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48782088
>Tempus is still largely seen as an unsuccessful response to Luxiem.
>Some view the consecutive release of Tempus gens to be caused by Cover's failure to understand their western fanbase.
>Others assert that many management levels, including Yagoo, have personal motivations for committing resources to Tempus, and that the recent IPO may have rushed their debut so that investors couldn't interfere.
>In a press conference held in late March, Yagoo had little to say about why Holostars streamers underperform compared to Niji male streamers, only mentioning that Cover has a strong female Vtuber presence, while Nijisanji has a strong male Vtuber presence.
>/vt/ hasn't found a way to see inside Cover and know what their strategy was.
>One anon really wants to have sex with Vesper

[Anonymous No.]

>>48783119
They'll probably receive the same treatment StarsJP got related to their merch. Some of them are making good SC/membership money but there's no way it'll remain that high with how much they're bleeding viewers.

>>48783993
I doubt they have that many EN investors, but I think the EN management angle is likely. Omega even came with the "Holostars and Hololive are part of HoloPro" bullshit a few months before Tempus' debut, so it's likely that they were the ones who convinced Cover to allow the EN staff to laser focus on StarsEN and ignore HoloEN for a (long) while, obviously using Luxiem's success as their main excuse.

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>>48785005
First year merch will be custom regardless of subs, seems fair I think. After that they’ll probably be put on the same Subs milestone system JP Stars have.
Why does Cover care so much about subs? Cause it’s unironically what investors are looking for as a metric of success.

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>>48785217
Not just that but it's a much more realistic milestone than "you have to reach Xk ccv by this date". Unless they completely fuck things up subs will always increase, the milestones just encourage them to do something to make this growth faster.

[Anonymous No.]

A male vtuber lives and dies by his female pandering
Going after any other demographic is fruitless

[Anonymous No.]

>>48782339
Only fags think anime boys are cute anon, sorry you had to find out like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>48779564
It will never not amuse how petty starfags can be.
>>48787749
Not necesarily, but it is the easiest way and thw one that can get them the most money so... yeah, I think you're right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48789532
Can't really blame them when some of the EN dudes are more interested in the girls or people who aren't even remotely close to the vtuber scene than their senpai who held the branch for 3 years before they debuted.