/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

What went wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

It's 8am in Japan and i'm supposed to believe Mio is pulling almost 40k viewers? HAHAHAHAHA
if you don't think there's something fishy going on here then you are retarded

[Anonymous No.]

Mori can't sing for shit, that is all

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602882
Retard, it's Golden Week

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602882
Golden week

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602882
Yearly Golden Week AsaMio totsu, brainlet-kun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602882
retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602882
First off, Mori killed her career through a series of terrible choices early on. As a result no one really watches her anymore. Her music is all anyone cares about anymore so her numbers being that low is just par for the course.

As for Mio? Well it's a collab between Koyori and Mio with guests. It may be early, but it's not THAT early and collabs typically bringing in a large chunk of viewers just naturally. This is also Koyori's usual streaming time, she always has an early morning bit. So the JP bros are used to there being a stream from her at this time.

It may not account for huge number, but I'm not surprised to see several tens of thousands, easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48603081
>>48602972
>>48602973
>>48603051
>>48603077

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
Simple.
< Mio, Koyo >>>>>>>>>>> Mori
Everyone who replies after me is a faggot and a pathetic cuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
Simple.
< Mio, Koyo >>>>>>>>>>> Mori
Everyone who replies before me is a faggot and a pathetic cuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
>two cute hags
vs
>one male-collabing landwhale that hates your entire being
Easy choice mang

[Anonymous No.]

nobody is immune to the power of hags

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602882
>not wanting to hear your chuuba's groggy, wake up voice
ngmi, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602882
the magic of 凸 , also Mio normally get 15k on her morning streams, and since there is also a lot of members in this one it really isnt surprising

[Anonymous No.]

Vtubing (outside of Japan) is dying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
turns out the age of 30 is in demand

[Anonymous No.]

>>48603532
the holoEN concert sold out instantly

[Anonymous No.]

>>48603081
Additionally, it's the start of Koyori's 24 hours of straight streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

Despite that Mori's fanbase hates Twitch, Mori kept mentioning it for "real fans".
Deadbeats defended her to the end saying she was not a Twitch simp and just doing it for work and friends, but she killed the last deadbeat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48603568
wow, they sold 2000 tickets, meanwhile the average jp stream gets 10 times that many viewers

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>>48602686
Did she put the rain on so you can't hear the brapping?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48603568
>The western audience prefers to engage with HoloEN via anything else other than streaming.
What could've caused this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48604082
Selling paid tickets and watching a free stream is different

[Anonymous No.]

>>48604082
>2000 tickets
>the IRL place are 6k
>all sold out
>those doesn't include streaming tickets
baffling retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602882
Anon you know that Koyori is one of the top 10 female streamers worldwide right? Ofc a collab with her is going to bring in viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
10 times greater than a flabby masturbator.
Pink Slime is seething.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
>two streamer collab in a region where vtubing is the next best thing next to sliced bread and they have a more solid base
>EN Holohorse enjoyer on a weekday where anime and vtubing are still catching up
Why are you trying to troll? She's doing fine. Enjoy the music.

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>>48603051
>40 thousand niggas sitting indoors on a holiday week watching an old hag be autistic

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>>48604413
Maybe EN fans are all parasocial schizos for... some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48604850
>sitting indoors on a holiday week watching an old hag be autistic
why would anyone do anything else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48604850
>he doesn't know about the Golden Week sleepy totsu
Newfag or retard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
She did it to herself. It's what she wanted, so it's what she got.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
JP hags waking up another hags > Mori

[Anonymous No.]

Of course Mio is going to mog Mori. Mio is sex

[Anonymous No.]

>>48604413
EN fans hate streams just as much as their oshis do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48603413
>Hags are OP
Cover pls nerf

[Anonymous No.]

>>48608825
Accurate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48604501
Looks like shits like suisei and marine are not as popular as people claim

[Anonymous No.]

Hag supremacy is all I see. I don't understand the "what went wrong" aspect? Looks like things are going right to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
Never doubt the power of JP. Never forget that they are the true Hololive.

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>>48602686
Mori's not known for streams. everyone who subbed early on was just there for the "Music"

[Anonymous No.]

Everyone wants to hear cute Japanese girls sleepy voices

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>>48602882
It started in March.
They feel threaten by something.
They're using bot to quell the doubts that they're the top company.
They even release they're earnings compared to other companies.
It might be a huge investor still thinking which company is the best to invest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48610693
Are you crazy or what? Both have low stream times coz of their voice and they brought huge numbers to collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48611333
Excuses. They're not top 10 streamers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
Another thing. Has calli really fallen so much that she cant even get 5k on karaoke? Even a runt like Bae gets 10k on karaokes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48608825
This. Call out any EN member for not streaming and you get dogpiled by yes men accusing you of being a nijifag.

[Anonymous No.]

Totsus are always big
Even more niche girls like Roboco or Meru can get 15k+ doing it

[Anonymous No.]

>>48603532
HoloEN is still magnitudes more successful and popular than JP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48613356
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48613356
cope. Even gura is a peasant in comparison. Gura can only get numbers as good as someone from the worst of holox.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
LOL

[Anonymous No.]

The EN branch itself is in shambles.
Being on EN is now a debuff, just like being on ID is a debuff.
ID managed to overcome some of it recently, and some ID are now even higher than some EN's.
But undoubtedly being on EN means you have a lower potential.
That's because the whole branch is in shambles.
They have shit on their audience, they have betrayed their demographic.
And they have been neglected over and over.
HoloEN is "relevant" by EN vtuber standards simply because no one else is able to compete with them at their level.
But it's a case where their potential was 30k and now they are rotting on the 3-10k tier.
Vtuber groups need momentum, it's a very important part.
The debut is an initial burst of momentum and every new gen adds momentum. Once you have enough members their sheer weight carries that momentum too.
Hololive JP speedrun through gen 0-1-2-gamers-3 and then slowed down once it had the numbers needed for that momentum to carry, and to avoid saturation or low quality output.
NijisanjiEN did a similar thin, ACCELERATION was a big meme but they were able to build up an entire branch in much less time than Hololive and now they can chill and slow down because that branch is able to function on its own.
You can slow down release of new members over time to adapt to how things go, but if you don't release people at all that's lost time you will never recover, a loss of momentum that will never be recovered.
Once people lose a habit it's hard to get them back.
Gura had 30k stable viewers but she stopped streaming, how many of those 30k will come back if she returns? A lot for sure, but all 30k? Many will just move on and find other stuff to do.
HoloEN has had too many breaks and hiatus and with such a small branch having 1/3 of the members on hiatus, even 2/3 at some point is just too much.
Even Hololie JP can get away with it because if they have 50 members and only 10 are streaming that's still decent, but with 10 members if 6 are on a break you are left with just 4 to choose from.
Independently HoloEN members have also fucked up.
Collabing with males, their utter lack of appreciation for their fans, their negligence streaming consistently, their loss of passion and originality, those have all hurt them too.
As a whole the branch is doing awful but you can still see some members doing worse than others.
Mori and Kronii are the perfect examples of wasted fame and potential.
Meanwhile Mumei and Fauna have managed to rise up and steadily build their own momentum.
Tho to be honest HoloEN members are nowhere near as good as Hololive JP members overall, partially due to numbers. If you have 50 vs 10 of course one side will have more potentially top tier members. But still.

How to save HoloEN?
Debut one gen now, and another gen in only 6 months, raise the total roster to 20
Make sure at least 1/3 of them are hags with hard working discipline so they can keep things going and set a proper example and push the rest.
Lower their base salary. Make it so they have to sell merch and get donations to really make any decent income.
Set a private no male collab rule for any new members with an NDA about it.
Letting male collabs up the the individual member worked in Japan where most of them have common sense, respect for their fans and their job. Out of 50 you get maybe 3 who will do a collab a year, and one Matsuri.
But on EN letting them choose clearly didn't work because they had 50% of the branch throwing away the whole Hololieve: the cute girls company thing.
They also need to put a rule against the members shit talking their audience, like right in the contract under an NDA if they say some snarky passive aggressive spiteful comment towards the audience there need to be serious internal consequences to their income or workload.
Fixing HoloEN isn't easy but it can be done, there's still time.
But it has already been 2 years since Gen 2, and every day the clock is ticking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48613356
HoloEN fell of in late 2021 And havent been able to catch up to holo jp when the later is just going up non stop.
Just look at their roster
You have Pekora the strongest,Marine with her connection pulled from her ass and every song she make become a hit for some reason,The Ultimate Vtuber Idol Suisei,The fucking ghost Aqua who always get big views when she comeback for some reason even bigger than gura when she has less than half her subs,Unlimited stamina Koyori who not only stream everyday but organize and appear in multiple collab and project too and I could go on but they're fucking stacked.
What do we got in holoEN to compare myth is done,Council couldnt compare to the peak of their predeccessor bit are atleast doing better but thats it.
Ame the creative "genius" has become bitch and has lost all of her creativity,Gura the most subscribed vtuber worldwide is mia,Mumei the schizo has her health in Jeopardy so she cant stream a lot,Irys the Singer hasnt released a song in a minute and sream periodically and etc.
EN3 please i need some hope for this dying market.

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>>48614836
>every song she make become a hit for some reason
"some reason" ?
Bruh the animation of those music videos is some top tier quality shit, nothing like the usual L2D png's and powerpoints of most vtuber music videos, there's real quality anime there.
Her latest one had the same animator that did the super meme famous kaguya sama chika ending doing her dance.
And yeah the music is also top tier, Marine is genuinely a great singer with a fantastic voice. And the lyrics area always very funny.
The last one is basically "I am horny, fuck me". That sort of shit resonates with men.

[Anonymous No.]

I just don't get why anybody watches Mori ever for any reason.
I honestly dislike most of EN because they just aren't as cute as JP but Mori in particularly is just unbearable to be because of her bitchy attitude.

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>>48604850
Why do you think they prefer the parasocial type over normalfags? Normalfags are too busy to watch streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>48615858
>normalfags
NOBODY normal watches vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48608825
>Like oshi, like fans
Coincidentally, their oshi are too busy doing something else to stream while their fans are also too busy to watch streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602882
Your Japanese holiday rep, chink-chama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602882
Based retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>48614523
Like, it's too late now. Banning male collabs after pushing them so aggressively only lowers the trust of everyone in the audience. They should have not debuted males in the first place. Now I believe it's too late for them to change course for every EN except for EN3.

>>48614836
>The fucking ghost Aqua who always get big views when she comeback for some reason
Aqua has her own visual novel by a big publisher, Entergram. That is the peak status and she will never decline into irrelevancy. Also she has B2 history which is her legacy achievement that will always lift her up.

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>>48616704
There's 0 downside to banning male collabs on new members, only benefits.
Lack of them doing male collabs won't suddenly make people watch them less or make the branch less popular because people might suspect there's a ban now.
Just keep it private that's what contracts are for.
Homobeggars are as we all have seen just a minority, they are more like activists promoting their NTR fetish than real viewers.
The branch won't grow if half the new gen ends up doing male collabs too. They have to be banned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48614836
Marine's and Suisei's popularity is artificial. They stream less than EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48613356
This is actually too retarded to be a serious comment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48617266
Gura still leads merch sales and EN concert sold out immediately

[Anonymous No.]

>>48617419
Selling out depends on the amount of tickets they have available tho.
They can sell something sells out if the space is smaller but it doesn't mean there's more people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48617696
We know they had 6000 tickets which is more than any JP concert venue

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>>48617898
Fair enough that's pretty damn high.
Then what gives?
Is the EN audience just ridiculously casual now?
Like they don't see a reason to show up to streams but they do get the merch or the special event tickets?
Seems to be the case.
So why?
Do they just not find the streams fun anymore, or they lost the habit of watching them, but they still have nostalgia for the branch and remain fans of them so they'll show up for something big and special that catches their attention?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602882
>Cuckbeats would rather imply that Mio is botting than acknowledge golden week
God I hate you fags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48611402
>SUCCESS BREEDS JEALOUSY

[Anonymous No.]

>>48603532
Mori's channel is dying and she's losing viewers like crazy. Everyone else is doing fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48617898
Anon Suisei alone filled an 8000 people venue for her second sololive, what the fuck are you on

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602882
its golden week you stupid fucking tard

[Anonymous No.]

>cuckbeats: "is my oshi's career dying?"
>cuckbeats: "No, it's the entirety of vtubing that is dying. Also Mio is botting."

[Anonymous No.]

>>48618033
Cover sabotaging everything EN does leaves the fans not wanting to watch streams and the talents not wanting to stream.

[Anonymous No.]

If you want EN to reach its potential just fire Omegatroon. Simple as.

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>>48603136

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>>48619317
Do you believe every shitposter is a deadbeat?

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>>48618033
EN audience is more VOD-focused in general; timezone spread is much greater than Japan. Just in North America you have a 3-hour spread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48618561
Not really. Her numbers are pretty staple.

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>>48620843
Yeah but when EN debuted they still got 30k's.
There's also more people across america and remember EN isn't just the united states of america, it's also canada, it's also australia, it's also new zealand, it's also the UK, it's also any other people in other countries in europe or latin america who also speak english.
The timezones are more spread but there's also more people per timeslot and this was always the explanation behind EN's initial success.
It was not just hololive united states, it was hololive ENGLISH which is a language that unites the world.
HoloEN is basically Holo international while JP is exclusively just one tiny island.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48619317
you love cuckbeats

[Anonymous No.]

>>48613356
Comachama...

[Anonymous No.]

>>48611321
薬

[Anonymous No.]

>>48614836
you forgot to mention mikochi, kanatan, and korosan

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>>48604423
Not that retard, but to be fair,
>the holoEN concert sold out instantly
doesn't necessarily refute
>Vtubing (outside of Japan) is dying.
6k seats aren't really that many. Half of HoloEN has higher median and average viewership than that. IRyS had a 90k+ stream less than 6 months ago and Council outfit reveals were dozens thousands each. It's cool, but 6k paid tickets are not really an super amazing number per se.
Don't know if I'd go as far as saying it's dying, but it's a fact that EN VTuber market has been shrinking for a long while

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
What is even the point of adding the top screenshot? That stream mogs literally everyone in EN, even Gura.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
The only thing that can defeat two hags during Golden Week is three hags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
>What went wrong?
American ISPs lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>48614836
Marine's songs are high risk high return
You would have to ichimis for the link of the stream but she did said something about the cost of her songs
>Spent at least 10m yen for Unison (she doesn't really say the exact numbers, but she said the cost is in 8 digits)
>Spent on Set Sail! around 4 times of the cost of Unison (that's at least 40M yen)
>Spent om Treasure Box around half of Set Sail
And most of her songs are fun to sing along

[Anonymous No.]

Mori bait threads are just lazy nowadays.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
Nothing went wrong, everything here is exactly as it should be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48623373
That's still only around 7k viewers over 3 hours of singing if you are to ignore the scuffed part. Not a good sign by any mean.
You don't need HoloJP to shitpost on Mori. Even Bae's karaokes beat that handily

[Anonymous No.]

>>48623500
>nowadays

[Anonymous No.]

>>48615962
>Implying normalfags haven't tried to annoyingly insert themselves into anime related hobbies

[Anonymous No.]

>>48623373
Is that really from that stream? Why does every numbers poster try to be disingenuous? She was at 3.5k for less than 15 minutes of a 3 hour stream. This is why everyone shits on numberniggers from outside of /#/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48618033
> HoloEN audience behaves like the Nijisanji audience now
grim

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
>3.5K
>The horror
99% of chuubas just get 50-120 ccv.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48623527
Hey, she is still in hololive and last time I checked they don't fire you for not doing very well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602882
you need to stop

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>>48624441
Well, yeah. And to be fair, even though her music has somewhat reclined, she is still doing better than most big corpo VTubers in that aspect.
Doesn't change the fact that she has been reclining, especially when it comes to live streaming, though

[Anonymous No.]

>>48623718
No, that didn't come from OP's stream
Picrel is OP's stream's graph

[Anonymous No.]

>>48623527
>That's still only around 7k viewers over 3 hours of singing if you are to ignore the scuffed part. Not a good sign by any mean.
7k off a guerilla acapella stream is pretty respectable
Like, no shit it's gonna "lose" to totsu stream featuring 9 Holo members tho lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>48624567
But at the same time when has Mori been known from streaming?

[Anonymous No.]

[Spoiler] mori is cool [/Spoiler]

[Anonymous No.]

>>48624857
Never has really. Even when only Myth existed, most clips and discussion were surrounded around Gura and Ame. Most of her subs come from her music, only a fraction represent actual stream watchers. Despite that she is still in the top echelon of yt streamers per active view count (near top 15 out of over 100 if I believe).

[Anonymous No.]

>>48624857
She actually has pretty decent performance (under EN standards) just a year ago. See picrel for Apr 2022 vs Apr 2023 comparison (the 5th and 6th labels on top were misnamed, ignore that)

[Anonymous No.]

>>48625570
Fauna and Ina popping off. Bae not doing bad either

[Anonymous No.]

>>48624731
Anon, it's not even the graph from this stream. She peaked at sub 6K

[Anonymous No.]

>>48625713
Ina is just abusing stream scarcity. Her numbers aren’t actually up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48625935
Ina has always been in the 10k range before 2023, but we can assume she has lost 20% like all of myth has on average. She should sit around 8k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602882
Stupid Chink bug

[Anonymous No.]

>>48623373
>Posting fake graph
Deadbeats really are shameless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48627064
>Fake
It's not fake just from a different stream
Her net did die tho and the OP is a screencap from that moment, if he's gonna be disingenuous then I might as well reciprocate lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
Your dad didn't pull out

[Anonymous No.]

>>48623202
Like i said earpier i could go on,Kanata is ky oshi so I didnt forget her I could also talk about Towa,Subaru,Okayu fucking hell i can almost name every fucking body in holo jp.

[Anonymous No.]

Kek you guys are really just bumping your 3 threads everytime they hit the edge of page 10. Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48623436
Marine reinvesting her earnings back into songs and MV to make more earnings. Presentation is everything and very few are spending like Marine does for her MVs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48603081
this

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
>What went right?
fixed

[Anonymous No.]

>>48618545
It sure does

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602882
nijifaggot seething without med, rumao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
Mori is shit, bump this thread

[Anonymous No.]

This is getting pathetic. Spamming threads and bumping them of from page 10.

[Anonymous No.]

Mori sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

Schizophrenic and wanna be corporate managers itt. Fucking kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602882
a good portion of those views are SEA NEETs, like the ones that seem to have so much time to post garbage threads in the catalog 24/7

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602882
It's been documented time and time again that Holo streams are botted, sisters just bury it because it's inconvenient for their narratives

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
everything

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
Western vtubing is dead, SEA is asleep

[Anonymous No.]

>>48640255
seething about niji isn't going to save your dying branch enfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>48618033
I used to watch every stream live,
Ina @ 3pm
Fauna @ 5pm
Gura @ 9pm
IRyS @ 11pm
Cover fucked that up for some reason, now I just watch Fauna and IRyS when there is nothing else to watch. I’ve never watched a VOD except for when I watched all of Gura and Ame’s VOD to see what I missed before I started watching Hololive. I used to watch Gura, Ina, and Ame before IRyS and Council debuted. I occasionally watched Kronii and Mumei before Tempiss. They went out off their way to change me from a loyal viewer to less than a casual observer. Also I paid to watch HoloFes 3 but I don’t even care enough to pirate HoloFes 4

[Anonymous No.]

>>48624670
>When the bots kick in

[Anonymous No.]

>>48661039
cope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
typical millennial vs two erotic hags with their sex pet. the game was rigged from the start, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
wigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602686
Lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602882
???

[Anonymous No.]

>>48602882
put me in the screencap