/vsj+/ - VShojo+ General

[Anonymous No.]

I'm shrinking Edition

Welcome to /vsj+/! A thread to discuss VShojo, former members, and any Vtubers frequently associated with them.

Keep things comfy and civil by ignoring and especially reporting bait, and being excellent to each other.

VShojo is:
Froot - https://www.twitch.tv/apricot
Haruka - https://www.twitch.tv/harukakaribu
Hime - https://www.twitch.tv/hajime
Mel - https://www.twitch.tv/projektmelody
Mouse - https://www.twitch.tv/ironmouse
Zen - https://www.twitch.tv/zentreya

VShojoJP is:
Kson
https://www.twitch.tv/ksonsouchou
https://www.youtube.com/c/ksonONAIR
Nazuna
https://www.twitch.tv/amemiyanazuna

Related:
総長 + 会長 for dedicated Kson discussion
/るみな/ for dedicated Nazuna discussion
>>>/vt//lig/ for more focused + and ++ discussion

Previous Thread: >>48527645

[Anonymous No.]

THILVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERVALEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>48536592
>>Explain the literal fact that you are not dating the streamer CDawgVA

The chatter never asked her if she was dating him you fucking retard , she clearly brought up on purpose.

[Anonymous No.]

you done timelooping?

[Anonymous No.]

Look at my cute delinquent wife

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[Anonymous No.]

>>48536682
THILVERVALE BROTHER LOVE

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>>48536693
don't reply mouseschizo. Let him go crazy KEK

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>>48536705
Some dude immediately deepthroated bait so no

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>>48536693
Ok, so? Nigga everybody knows that they are E-fucking, who the fucking cares

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[Anonymous No.]

>>48536682
fuck off nyan

[Anonymous No.]

can we just have the announcement already, if we are going to have drama talk i would rather it was new

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>>48536792
No, suffer.

[Anonymous No.]

I love pink cat
Idk what you fags are doing rn but you all need meds

[Anonymous No.]

>>48536634
The fact that only current members are in this art feels vaguely positive.

It's time to let go

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>>48536634
Our ranks are looking a little anorexic

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>>48536693
>you didn't answer the question in a way i wanted you to answer
>you fucking whore how dare you doxx mouse
lmao

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>>48536705

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>>48536634
>this is the highest quality art /vsj+/ can afford now
jesas

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>>48536792
blame gunrun for dragging this out as much as possible for whatever reason

[Anonymous No.]

Is this guy a time traveler?

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>>48536863
Where have you been darling, did you get a ban or something

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>>48536882
>>48536792
did I miss something
is there some sort of confirmed announcement coming?

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>>48536863
THIIIIIIIIIIILVEEEEEEEEEEER VAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I GAVE YOU 10K PLEASSSSSSEE LOVE ME BACK MY COMFY WOLF GAMER.

[Anonymous No.]

Come Home Nyan Man
>>48469770

[Anonymous No.]

whats wrong with them leaving vshojo anyways? not like it affects them at the end of the day since this isn't even a corpo

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>>48536863
THILVERVAAAAAAALE MY DICK IS CHAFFED AND RAW FROM CUMMING TO YOUR BELOVED TITS ALL DAY MY COMFY WOLF BEAUTIFUL QUEEN OF SEX PLEASE SEND ME MORE TIT PICS SO I MAY CUM TO THEM FURTHER DM ME THILVEEEERR

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>>48536909
Good, glad they kicked mouse out of their indie group.

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>>48536972
We already have like 3 different threads we can talk about pink cat in, do we really need a 4th?

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.
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>Archive Links:

- Complete Nyanners (Post Vtuber Debut) Vod Archive (Starting on 2020-07-17 running until 2023-xx-xx): https://pastebin.com/Eg1Yy3TZ

- Complete Hime Hajime Vod Archive (Starting on 2021-01-31 running until 2023-xx-xx): https://pastebin.com/28iC7P72

- Some Indie Vod Archives: https://pastebin.com/STax22rK
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>Some other stuff that might be of use:

- Vod Archiving guide for Twitch/Youtube Live streams that covers the basics: https://pastebin.com/1i8hF902

- Links for the 4chan (#/vt/ and #recanon) IRC channels, Koikatsu Party Character cards from /Vsj+/ and /lig/, the website to make wordclouds and some fitness guides an anon posted in /vsj+/: https://pastebin.com/FiAsYK7e

[Anonymous No.]

>>48536923
purple keem hinted at knowing that another one might be leaving

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>>48536909
Silver to join a corpo ASAP to avoid being associated with Snuffy

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>>48536923
They probably mean the fourth resignation everyone is expecting.

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>>48536988
nothing wrong. it's just the same tourist and schizo as always.

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>>48536923
Someone claimed False said someone else was not renewing their contract. I didn't hear hime say that, but he did say he expected more news.

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*mindbreaks every mousefag just by answering simple question*
how is my wife so powerful...

[Anonymous No.]

>>48536972
no fuck off

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>>48536988
nothing is wrong with it, its the suspense

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>>48536988
Kson calls it a corpo

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>>48536988
We're hear to laugh at the collapse of a poorly run agency.

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>>48537017
no he didn't
>>48537023
oh cool, just assumptions then

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>>48537001
This thread is shit. /lig/ is extremely crowded. /pink/ is a meme.

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>>48537052
You got some powerful ears

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>>48536972
drop the bf and I'll consider it

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>>48536988
People need to cling onto drama to feel something in their life and twitter tards are just fags

[Anonymous No.]

>>48537069
>/pink/ is a meme.
just like nyan
fitting

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>>48536995
Silverbros don't chaf. They are Uncut Kings, preserving their fully intact manhood for Silver.

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>>48537034
THILVERVALE MY BELOVED I REQUEST MORE LOVE FOR I CANNOT BE APART ANY FURTHER PLZ SEND ME YOUR MOST LOYAL PAYPIG MORE SEX PICS

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>one minute apart
i feel sorry for that mousefag

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>>48536988
for them? Nothing they'll stream like they did before.

But Vshojo as a group lost a lot of leverage. If they planned recruitment, they're gonna have a lot worse chances now, and companies are gonna be more reluctant to work with them.

And if Mouse goes, they are pretty much done.

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>>48537069
Do good 4chan threads even exist?

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>>48537161
>not watching IPs and seeing it’s more than one person
NGMI

[Anonymous No.]

Mouse is fucking finished without tech support so no wonder she's sticking with VShojo.

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>>48537052
>hear
lol classic tourist being an ESLfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>48537161
not me dickhead

[Anonymous No.]

>Aethel asks how to get more female viewers
should we tell him

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Get ready for it, Zenbros. Mousefags will turn on you the second she leaves to find a better deal.

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>>48537273
I will turn on her for abandoning moose

[Anonymous No.]

*boop*

[Anonymous No.]

You guys are still doing this? Again? For, like, the 15th thread in a row?

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looking at the bait threads its pretty funny that all the antis are waiting at baited breath for all the "drama" to spill, some even believing that nyan or vei are gonna open their next streams exposing vshojo for some sort of crime kek

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>>48537246
If only she had a multi-millionaire boyfriend who is supported by a lot of organizations invested in his success.

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>>48537228
Yeah in /t/orrents
>Install Fightcade

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>>48537318
If they keep leaving, this thread will stay like this.

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>>48537271
Furious kissing stream with Connor coming soon

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>>48537300
>60 non binary pals
nice

[Anonymous No.]

>>48537273
Not unless she starts making offhand vague comments about other members. Mousefags didn't care when Vei left because she clearly stated why.

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>>48537318
Mousefags are insufferable

[Anonymous No.]

>>48537271
Go live blog somewhere else

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>>48537273
I will turn on Zen for leaving Froot and Haruka

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>>48537324
they're so lost in the corpo tribalism sauce lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>48537271
you can try, but getting Bubi to stream Fujo stuff with him is gonna be hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48537246
Pretty sure that you can buy tech support. And she was doing fine before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48537325
>multi-millionaire
lol

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine if BunnyGif comes back as a vshojo member in a new annoucement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48537315
how is she so cute bros

[Anonymous No.]

Everyone can agree that VShojo dies if Mouse leaves, but if it's Zen then things are still okay.

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>>48537423
She's not even a vtuber anymore.

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>>48537300
35% of the guys need to start the transition.

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Why is Mel recieving hate DMs lmao. Did they misfire

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>>48536988
>not like it affects them at the end of the day since this isn't even a corpo
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48537423
>bunnygif
lol bunnygif doesn't even exist anymore.

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>>48537408
Mouse has literally called him that multiple times.

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>>48537324
>vei
>next stream
catalogfags are lacking critical information

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>>48537434
We cannot agree to that. It might limp on, but Zen is crucial to the company now that it's just her and Mouse

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>>48537324
Silver might have catty girl drama for the sisters to sip on, Nyan is going to keep it a little vague until everything plays out but still keep it at least a modicum of professional regarding whatever ends up happening. She got a lot out of the org compared to everyone else, and was probably one of the only ones that asked for anything from them. Other than more sponsor money and the like.

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>>48537228
post 2012? Not so much.

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>>48537474
look at this thread anon.

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>>48537474
froot was literally trending bc some schizos were running with the theory that this all happened due to the hp game, they're gonna find any excuse to shit on everyone

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>>48537430
>silver vei and nyan will no longer get cool animated vids
it's so over...

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>>48537517
Mouse also called him a sheep fucker, does that make him one?

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>>48537533
then I guess they should give her a good contract offer that will rival her income should she sign to mythic

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>>48537474
Source?
That would retarded if true, what the hell did she do? Lol

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>>48537533
>just her and Mouse
VShojo is now Mouse and a handful of her friends. Zen isn't in the same league as her.

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>>48537517
>believing a literal rat

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>>48537582
>animated
those things were 90% slideshows
fucking merry hack

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>>48537228
this one >>48163693

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>>48537474
Some members receive those everyday because yeah people are shit.

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>>48537606
nobody is in the same league as Mouse.

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>>48537583
no
being welsh makes him that

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>>48537582
They still can?
If anything they might be able to do it more often now if they want to
0 chance Vei does though, she has no interest in that sort of thing kek

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>>48536711
Your delinquent wife is very cute!

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>>48537659
Vei was up there, and Nyan 2 years ago

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>>48537650
wtf I got tricked, I meant this one >>48031584, the original

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>>48537592
They should, but Zen has had some good sponsorships over the years plus they got her the figure with multiple geckos.

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>>48537474
Nigga look at this very thread, there are people that spend hours of their day literally green with envy over random streamers

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>>48537694
vei was slowly falling behind. I remember she ranting some time because she was only hitting 5k while soda was live.

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>>48537536
yeah i wont be surprised if they latch on to whatever silver says but at the same time i wonder if her deleting the VODs of the stream where she shaded mouse means she knows not to say anything stupid moving forward

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>>48537679
>if they want to
That's the main issue anon
2023 Nyan or Vei/Silver doing anything resembling creativity? not happening

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>steve has his moustache back in the 2nd MRE

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>>48537734
There is no confirmation that Vshojo actually got those deals for Zen. As far as I'm concerned, Zen did all that herself.

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So what did you anons do today?

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>>48537582
if mythic is as competent as they claim then it should be no problem

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>>48537679
Silver also said her lore was stupid and she didn't care about it because they forced Snuffy to be a part of it.

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>>48537855
silver HATES snuffy...

[Anonymous No.]

I'm going to bed, someone please kiss me goodnight so I can sleep well

[Anonymous No.]

>>48537778
>memoryholing the entire kino mgs parody debut nyan had

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What happens to Nyan's Minecraft sound pack now that she has left VShojo?

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>>48537855
the only reasons silver complained was one snuffy two silver is too lazy to do any work.

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>>48537891
she's so /in/ bros

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>>48537824
refreshing this thread nonstop waiting for the nuke to drop so I can go to sleep

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>>48537694
not in viewer hours.
Average viewership doesen't matter. Whats most important are viewer hours per month.
Thats what sponsors care for and what determines your ad revenue.

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>>48537855
Ok, I can tolerate Mouse hate, but Snuffy is my queen. I'm all aboard the Silver hate train now.

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>>48537824
I went out and enjoyed life with some friends I haven’t spoken in a few months, then I came here to see the updates and I regret everything

[Anonymous No.]

>>48537824
Watched cars drive around in circles, made grilled chicken for dinner, and stared at the thread looping over and over for hours

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>>48537903

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>>48537824
Worked and Thilvervale posted

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>>48537914
It finally gets fucking done because Vshojo isn't holding it up anymore.

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>>48537928
same

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>>48537580
The containment breakers are really letting their dicks swing with this. Like anything negative is going to happen to Nyan or Froot that hasn't already happened, those two could use better PR though. The best they (schizos) can really hope for is a (you) from Froot's mom on Twitter.

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>>48537377
>oh no the tea sisters

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>>48537913
>watching nyanners in 2023
roru
rumao

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>>48537942
>friends I haven't spoken to in a few months
No that doesn't happen. You're not friends if you don't speak every week.

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>>48537914
Bros I'm starting to think we're never getting that voicepack...

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>>48538001
Don't worry goslingfriend, if Nyan can leave VShojo maybe she can leave her bf

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>>48538001
yeah i love pink cat but i kinda sleeping though her streams lately...

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>>48537824
did whatever I could to avoid looking at positive news directed at me because blain too bloken to take on responsibility

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538001
>watching mouse ever since the first scamathon
roru
rumao

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>vshojo new tweet
>its art

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>>48538039
What do you think this means for the Darkest Dungeon mod?

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>>48537824
Worked, workout, pirated Tears of the Kingdom.

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>>48537929
then NOBODY can beat Mouse. This is her whole life she streams 12 hours a day because she has no life and can't touch grass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538001
>still being upset about her no longer being single in 2023
roru
rumao

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/VShojo/status/1653187663069868032

[Anonymous No.]

>>48536972
no

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>>48537824
2 pushups(very hard)

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>>48538040
we can only hope

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>>48538076
They're really going in on the JP now that EN is about to fall apart...

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>>48538076
its safe to say that there will be no announcement today

[Anonymous No.]

>>48537985
i applaud froot for never feeding the trolls i just wish her mom would do the same, at least the lich seems to be getting defended by other vtubers now which is sweet

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>>48538001
Give pink cat bros a break, they can't watch Nyan even if they want to

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>>48538123

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>>48538138
It's over

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>>48538138
its over...

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>>48538058
THILVERVAAAAALE PLEASE GO LIVE SO I MAY DONATE MY WALLET TO YOU AGAIN MY COZY WOLF QUEEN OF ALL TIME IT ONLY MAKES ME FEEL GOOD WHEN YOU SEE IT AND THANK ME YOUR PATREON IS NOT ENOUGH

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>>48538058
the "scamathon" is what lead to losing pink cat so i agree

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>>48538138
oh god oh fuck

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/VShojo/status/1653187663069868032

[Anonymous No.]

i just got DM from Mel asking if i want to join and sign a contract wtf bros i don't even stream
are they sending invitations to everybody

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>>48538161
>they can't watch Nyan even if they want to
Why do some schizos still repeat this shit? Nyan has been streaming consistently for a while now
It's like a sure sign of outing yourself as a tourist at this point

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>>48538076
love getting mini panic attacks from this thread alone these past few days

[Anonymous No.]

You guys wanna watch my sex tape

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538138
zenbros...

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538157
Other vtubers have defended her before but most know not to shout into the void.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538215
>>48538138
>QUICK
>GRAB THE RANDOM FRAME FROM FUCKING ANYTHING AND JUST POST IT
>WE'RE LOSING MONEY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538123
Zen has almost as many hours streamed as her, though at half the viewership.

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>>48538243
Hi, Kat

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>>48538138
jokes on you i know its not midnight yet!

anyways i could just be delusional but that kinda looks like a keyframe from something animated maybe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538271
latina work ethic but tts debuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538271
exactly. You can't beat Mouse's hour/ccv ratio

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538212
>t. pink cat's cats

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538296
was nyans done at midnight?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538138
Assuming Vshojo JP has a different contract cycle, they're posting the 2 who they know won't be leaving.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48536682
>>48536789
This has been the funniest shit I've seen all day

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538311
how can disgusting wh*te women compete

[Anonymous No.]

Literally any official VShojo twitter post is bad news.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538271
Yeah sadly, it’s the tts
It’s a tough pill to swallow to some.
Because Zen is funny (as a person), the way she malds makes laugh so hard when she’s tries to be good at games, but most of the emotion is lost due to the TTS

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>>48538255
I really don't understand how people can be so ignorant about everything but still act like they know shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538344
Wasn’t it around 7pm est? Thought that was around the time mouse hurried off stream

[Anonymous No.]

another tweet https://twitter.com/VShojo/status/1653189381002280961

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>>48538224
They probably saw someone complaining about her not streaming enough ages ago and assumed that was still the case.

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>>48538438
anonymity

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>>48538418
Well I think Zen may have to come to terms with dropping the TTS is she wants to expand. It's had an extremely good run, but I think it's time to move on.

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https://twitter.com/vshojo/status/1653189383149813762?s=46&t=HI88-x-bZ14Q4AuEiGFuag
>maids arriving in June
?

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>>48538464
>>48538479
It's over...

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https://twitter.com/VShojo/status/1653189381002280961
RRATS?!

[Anonymous No.]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GDh1WcoN4Z0&pp=ygUVRm9yc2VuIHhxYyBtb3JpIGhvcnNl

Mori joining vshojo?

[Anonymous No.]

Aethel is being a little bit, uh. He's making it into a bit to scream out Silvervale's name as a curse, like anything bad that happens is her fault. There are ways to act that let things settle, and then there this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538497
>no mouse or zen
Yep

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>>48538479
More maid merch. Don't set yourself up for disappointment and think there's going to be some new maid member or something.

[Anonymous No.]

I think Mel might be the most wholesome whore in existence

[Anonymous No.]

anyone know when they started those weekly talent meetings and what prompted them?

also, I recall someone saying they started asking talent about "5 year plans" lol.

[Anonymous No.]

Not a normal Athelstan viewer... Is this part of his BRB video or did he actually just spill his food lol?

[Anonymous No.]

Melody, Nazuna, Kson and Hime stays then

[Anonymous No.]

>remaining talents forced to work as maids
the restrictive contract was much worse than we imagined...

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538497
the only talents that are staying are in those last two tweets

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>>48538464
They're just trotting out pictures of the talent that is confirmed /IN/

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>>48538469
I honestly could care less who she is, if they are a male, a girl or a couple. I just want to have the same amount of fun Zen clearly has on stream, everytime she cracks up at some tts showcase her humor and it’s really missing if you aren’t watching the screen to visually see her laughing her ass off

[Anonymous No.]

No Froot, Haruka, Mouse or Zen

oof

[Anonymous No.]

Zen should do something big, like using her real voice, to try and rum up hype for this dying org,

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538512
>linking xQc
Fucking kill yourself holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

Melody's empire....

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538512
Another streamer was literally just banned and cancelled for having a tab showing they had ai created fakes of other streamers on their browser. How is showing actual fake audio of another streamer like that not even more severe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48537850
Why would Mythic bother with that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538592
omg sisters they didn't release art of every single current member, i'm cumming and crying right now ;(((((

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538512
this was not the crossover i was expecting

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>>48538519
It's almost like Silver burned some bridges or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538571
And to anyone who says: she’s a big tity dragon/cyborg, how could the male shit work. Well look at Jowol

[Anonymous No.]

>deleted the tweets

what the fuck are they doing

[Anonymous No.]

>>48537855
Silver is correct in that lore is silly and stupid, because it's just supposed to be for fun and doesn't reflect their real selves at all. It was just something to create entertainment.

[Anonymous No.]

happy anniversary

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>>48538542
They’re all rebranding as vshojo jp while EN goes away

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538469
Zen is NEVER dropping the TTS. You don't understand Zen if you think she will ever drop this mental crutch

[Anonymous No.]

>>48536923
mouse might be on her way out too, this contract is garbage

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538464
>https://twitter.com/VShojo/status/1653189381002280961
DELETED

[Anonymous No.]

oh no they deleted that last one
Mel and Hime are /out/

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538617
Don't disagree that twitch plays favorites a lot, but atrioc didn't ever face a ban for the ai stuff I think

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538628
this but unironically

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>>48538519
thanks obama

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538661
One of the two from each picture is confirmed out too then

[Anonymous No.]

somebody post that tweet i didn't get to see it

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538617
Deepfake porn of an actual person that doesn't make that kind of content is a bit different than AI audio edited to make Mori choke down horse dick for a laugh.

[Anonymous No.]

they just deleted it because they forgot to post the rest of the members right guys? haha

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/vshojo/status/1651543195388444674

uhh..

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538512
So....xqc and forsen beginning to like vtubers?

[Anonymous No.]

>freed from gunruns maid slavery
thank god

[Anonymous No.]

>mean to push departure announcement
>accidentally post merch visuals
horrible

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538469
>>48538593
Not happening and won't ever happen because Zen is retarded when it comes to her "privacy"

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538722
I think they just fucked up the tweet scheduling on the replies

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538727
It was a picture of Hime and Melody in maid outfits one was eating a strawberry close up if I remember correctly.

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>>48538727
>>48538497

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>>48538767
it's /over/

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538727

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>>48538668
Never was
Vei is a goddamn hero, Nyan is actually a psychotic tyrant, Mouse actually blackmailed Nyan and acts like she will destroyed it all. The only thing that was “real” in lore was unironically the relationships: Pink Love, Vei and Silver, Bubi and Mouse, Nyan and Aethel.
It never was a reflect of the personality outside of Froot’s one

[Anonymous No.]

>>48536909
The last people in it left a few days ago.
>It was just silvervale, veibae and ironmouse in it
>Now everyone is gone and veibae was the last to leave

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>>48538847
that's still up

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538847
That not didn't get deleted I think

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>>48537929
>Average viewership doesen't matter.
That's just not true lol. Most ads pay for 1-2 hours of the stream, and that's it, they don't care how many hours you streamed, they care how many viewers you can pull and keep engage for the ad segment and for that ccv is the main info. There's literally several streamers, that stream LESS so they can keep their ccv is high as possible. For sponsors ccv is king, 1k andy that streams a lot will never receive the same deal that a 6k andy that barely streams. Another example is twitch bounty, they only care about you avg ccv in the bounty segment

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>>48538617
He's back, I saw him at almost 5k the other day

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538675
I'm aware, but even if the one rrat clip of her speaking is true, voice is normal, if she has a stutter she can see a professional to work on that. Privacy is always a concern, but if Nyan/Hime(Syd) can survive their schizos, so can Zen. Plus Texas has castle doctrine, get some bodies on that shotgun yeeeehaw.

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/ironmouse/status/1653192100236734464

THIS IS GONNA BE FUN

[Anonymous No.]

>>48537824
Working in the server room...

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/ironmouse/status/1653192100236734464?s=46&t=HI88-x-bZ14Q4AuEiGFuag
Oh god, what we were missing

[Anonymous No.]

Oh, so Froot is /out/ too? https://twitter.com/LichVtuber/status/1641622839311892480

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538989

[Anonymous No.]

>>48537582
Nyan probably will, either commissioned by herself or made by herself. Silver and Vei won't, they use vtubing as a way to form parasocial relationships with their most mentally inept but solvent viewers and leech them dry. They are not in any way fans of anime, manga, or any related media. Vei openly despises it and Silver mocked people who cared in any way about the lore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538497
>https://twitter.com/VShojo/status/1653189381002280961
Deleted? What was the twite about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538989
well something's out alright

[Anonymous No.]

Looks like we are going to have to transition to phase connect.

Pippa will replace nyanners
Tenma will replace mouse.
Lia and rinmama will replace silvervale and mamavale.
Lumi will replace vei.
Uruka will replace Haruka as autistic vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538945
You won't convince him last time I linked him a resent Cohh video talking about this exact thing and he wouldn't budge

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539051
maids arriving in June

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539047
anyone who cared about "marvel, but by merry" deserved to be mocked

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538980
oh FUCK

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539051
deleted art of maid hime and mel, i just think they meant to schedule it for another day

[Anonymous No.]

>>48536988
Holo fags who want corpo wars

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539051
>Maid Outfits coming in June

They are trying to soften the blow.

No Zen, Mouse, Froot or Haruka art was posted, so I expect them to dip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538980
oh shit, unfortunate timing tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538989
Fuck that faggot. He liked that awful fucking Wyatt schizo thread. Stop leeching off people from here and change your fucking name already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538980
>>48538988
ITS FINALLY HERE
KINO INCOMING

[Anonymous No.]

it's been a year

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539159
Signing Haruka to a 4 month contract was a strange choice Gunrun

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539127
https://twitter.com/alicemahou/status/1653191952936886272?cxt=HHwWgICzxc_UqPEtAAAA

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539095
>Uruka will replace Haruka as autistic vtuber.
You mean Lia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539095
fuck off phase shill

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539240
Will this save VShojo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539095
Phase Connect is a good example of a decent corpo.
>lets them get away with a lot of stuff WITHIN REASON
>there is still management, there is no TALENT FREEDOM
and yet people like mouse fucking hate pippa and closed off a video the second she appeared in it

[Anonymous No.]

soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539240
Did gunrun spend money on a fetish artist?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539341
fuck off phaseshill

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539351
GOD I HOPE SO

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539341
where does stealing character rights fit into all this

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539095
>4chan-brain-tuber
>No zen

No thanks, I'd rather just stop watching vtubers all together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539338
Mouse won't be in Vshojo anymore by the time this happens dummy

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539388
she sold the character to fishman and her new model was bought by phase connect, she played herself

also she's already resurfaced as a discount pekora / pippa with a $600 premade model - https://twitter.com/Nanobites_/status/1652421643417919495

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539388
wrong corpo anon...

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539479
retard

[Anonymous No.]

vshojo have not retweeted mouses SOTD announcement... ITS OVER

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538519
It's almost like she sent a bunch of harassment towards his good friend's way or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539383
yes and i love giant women

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539341
fuck off phaseshit
>people like mouse fucking hate pippa
and delusional too

[Anonymous No.]

>buys vshojo
What happens

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539470
sounds like a shitty vtuber signed a shitty contract kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538980
I always wanted her to be on the other side of the desk

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539383
You wouldn't at this point? Smoke 'em if you got got 'em.

[Anonymous No.]

>vei won

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539678
He's loaded, married, and has 2 kids.

He has no time or patience for any more internet nonsense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539646
It's SEA hours, just deal with it or go to bed (with me, I need someone to snuggle with)

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539696
so did people who signed to vshojo >>48477202

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539383
hololive's hired him before. giant women sell

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539755
say less

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539755
i'm bored... No good streamers on, even GTArp is falling apart, no good games to play... FUCK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539817
>a random black guy has all the deets, he can't prove a single thing he says but trust him!

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539817
>tourist believing a literal who's deleted VODs

bet you think they all left on bad terms too

[Anonymous No.]

>>48538469
Zen mentioned that she's working on a custom voice during the stream she started using monster tts. My personal rrat is that it's to hide the fact that multiple people play the character. Even after her move I noticed that she seems to speak someone off camera during streams. She also has repeatedly referred to herself as "we".

[Anonymous No.]

Alice does some great stuff, so this will be good

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539902
People believe what they want to believe to suit their personal narratives, many such cases

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539902
>Bro I heard from a guy that the contracts are bad in a vague way
>Plus one time I got invited to a hotel room to watch some rich CEOs commit a crime

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539945

kek the neuro collab was a blessing in disguise

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539817
>contract not up to their liking
>Vtuber not immediately erased from existence
How could Gunrun let them walk free. They should be crushed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539541
they just did

[Anonymous No.]

>buys Vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539730
vei is truly winning the game of life

[Anonymous No.]

Vshojo retweeted Mouse's SOTD tweet

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540059
ironically theres a bait thread rn saying this exact shit kek corpofags are another breed indeed

[Anonymous No.]

Silvervale is a whore until she responds to Nazzy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540165
vshojo is being bought by cover
that's why talent are jumping ship to become indie again

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540165
It’s over, she’s staying

[Anonymous No.]

3 new JPs are joining this summer. They're all pretty big names.
Hope you guys brush up on your japanese because it's looking like JP might be the dominant branch soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540109
SHE'S STILL /IN/>>48540128

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540187
Fake friend it was business related

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540235
How long are their names

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539902
He's not just "a random black guy" and that both works for and against his credibility. Evanit0 has done work for many a YouTube video including Connor's, so he probably does have some knowledge of shit, but he's also randomly started drama and beef with others in the past and has come off as an unhinged psycho other times, so... yeah might be credible, might also be a clickbaiting dramawhore. Deleting his VOD is somewhat telling, tho. I think he got someone in trouble.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540187
Silver goes to twitter to like and retweet art like every 3-4 days
she's not there everyday (like every normal person)

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540235
suisei, hachaama and pikamee are /IN/

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540213
this would be the legitimate worse case scenario

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540299
She was there for Nyan’s departure

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540299
She liked the nyan leaving post
Its over Nazuna bros

[Anonymous No.]

I enjoy that as soon as they weren't working for the same company anymore Nyanners had her boyfriend start a campaign to relentlessly mock Silvervale and her fanbase. The real beef was between Nyan and Silver, you all just assumed it was about Mouse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540291
You can't get people you made up in trouble anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540291
anon Connor disassociated with him for a reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539341
>and yet people like mouse fucking hate pippa and closed off a video the second she appeared in it
Give me the sauce

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540291
He lied and said Connor had a big cock. This is very clearly untrue.

[Anonymous No.]

I just stumbled across a weird Mouse ERP twitter.
https://twitter.com/Iron_Stud/status/1653178361303166976

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540352
Maybe the guy who was friends with Mouse before he interacted with Nyan didn't take Silver stirring shit well.

Who can say?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540349
Legitimately this pisses me off. Nazuna was nice to Silver in particular when she hear she left.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540414
stop replying tourists anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540352
did it start before or after the mouse shading i wonder

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540291
This is the guy who complain after vtuber cliques in TwitchCon because he was ignored by the Whore Clan. This is also the guy who got kicked out of the AX OTV party because he brought more people than the maximum +1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540165

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540437
There’s various of these ones

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540437
That is certainly.... Something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48539945
Nice fanfic

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540365
>made up
He never dropped any names other than VShojo, Ironmouse, and praised Gunrun to hell and back. But if any of what he said was true, HE was not under an NDA but he heard it from someone else who was, which would be a problem for them. And it would be easy to trace contact.

>>48540405
>>48540434
>>48540478
Like I said, works for and against his credibility.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540455
honestly? I think silver only wanted to associate with nazuna because of her past.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540437

Why vshojo hentai is so ugly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540352
Retard both nyan and silver left

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/snuffyowo/status/1653198319206662144 look at this cute trash panda

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540530
Again, you cannot trace a person he invented.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540437
Twitter porn accounts can truly be deranged.

[Anonymous No.]

False video dropped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540437
Oh my fucking god I just click on it
https://twitter.com/iron_stud/status/1652811284755218432?s=46&t=HI88-x-bZ14Q4AuEiGFuag

[Anonymous No.]

Vei posted a tweet on the 26th about how any talent should have a lawyer who understands the industry look over any contract they consider. That makes it seem like Vshojo may have offered a deliberately bad contract to Haruka, and when Vei found out she told everyone and decided not to renew. People might be acting in these threads like it's all interpersonal rivalry or people just dropping out of streaming, but what if the company did something terrible and the talent are leaving to punish that, all together. It might actually be the most unity in years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540572
>trash panda
Uruka?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540572
Based snuffy

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540595
Holy KEK

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540437
there is 95% chance person running this account is in this thread right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540608

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540595
What compels someone to do this

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540437
I don't understand this weird raceplay roleplaying side of twitter

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540608
tabs

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540437
>stumbled
You think I'm going to fucking believe that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540608
Then leaving and saying nothing about it or being passive aggressive to other talent like Silver would be actually insane.

[Anonymous No.]

Bros I’m nervous I don’t want to lose anyone else…

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540589
https://youtu.be/yTmHQDB7LIo
Purple Keem I kneel

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540608
I don't think it has anything to do with Haruka. The new contracts just suck. Not that deep.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540572
I find it bizzare she hasn't signed to mythic yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540783
Haruka would have gotten the new contract early.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540877
Silver is out and Snuffy is IN

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540783
b-b-but my rraterinos :(

[Anonymous No.]

As far as I'm concerned, all of this crap in the thread represents these fans out here. For two years, brother, for two years I held my head high. I did everything for the org. I did everything for the keks. And the reception I got when I didn't sign - you fans can stick it, brother. Because if it wasn't for Nyatasha Nyanners you people wouldn't be here. If it wasn't for Nyatasha Nyanners, Gunrun would be still selling backpacks from a truck in San Francisco. And if it wasn't for Nyatasha Nyanners, all these Johnny Come Lately's that you see out here VTubing wouldn't be here. I was selling out the world, brother, while they were begging for Cooksie to clip them for a few more views. So the way it is now, brother, with Nyatasha Nyanners and the New Whore Order of VTubing, brother, me and the two whores by my side, whatcha gonna do when the New Whore Order runs wild on you? Whatcha gonna do? What are you gonna do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540877
is she still not signed to any agency?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540608
vei is the holy mary
except that she gets dicked down every night

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540455
Oh come off it
Just the other day on stream nazuna said she talked to silver through scuffed TL recently

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540905
Then why would Zen and (mainly) Geega not say something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540925
i fucking hope so

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540986
she never said recently

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540760
brace yourself gunrun

[Anonymous No.]

>>48541017
I mean I doubt geega saw the contract. Zen is dumb enough not to know if it’s bad or not

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540986
She said that Silver talked to her, which was true. Silver admitted the same before, dunno if that stayed the same. Probably. Hopefully…

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540905
Except she wouldn't. She's actually been a part of VShojo longer than you seem to think. They mentioned in her welcome video that they had to push her back to December debut even tho she knew she was part of them since April (or about there) because of the VShojoJP launch.

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/VShojo/status/1653201545758928897
So "june" changed to "coming soon"

[Anonymous No.]

>>48541242
I like the JP talent, but christ did it fuck up so much shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48541303
Gotta scrub the ones who left out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48541303
With no Hime/Melody picture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48541303
So it was a mistake, I fully believe that the artwork unintentionally leaked who's leaving kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>48541371
Either Mel or Hime...

[Anonymous No.]

>>48541353
probably true for Nyan. Vei and Silver barely participated in these projects though.

[Anonymous No.]

I know they probably cut them out of the animation, but I’m hoping…

[Anonymous No.]

>>48541371
it had Mel. No way she is leaving she is nothing without Vshojo.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>48541303
>>48541371
They made a mistake and posted the next teaser picture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48541404
Hime doesn't have the mark, bros....

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540719

[Anonymous No.]

>>48541129
I don't think the company decided to screw the autistic girl in a way that would obviously alienate the rest of the talent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48541481
hime didn't even reply to kson's tweet with her vshojo account what makes you think she even remembers the password

[Anonymous No.]

>>48541481
If its Hime just don't say anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>48541605
they did it to Haruka obviously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48541605
that's what companies do

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>48541371
Christ you people have rrat brainrot
If either Mel or Hime leave later though you can quote me back and laugh

[Anonymous No.]

God damn aethels becoming unhinged about thilver and i love it

[Anonymous No.]

what the fuck is going on with aethel

[Anonymous No.]

THILVERVALEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.]

Ok, what is this bit Aethel is doing about Silvervale? I can't tell if he's just doing a bit or making fun of her or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542332
What'd he do this time?

[Anonymous No.]

I need a schizo thilvervale cover album

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542406
He said during his last stream that he's not making fun of her. This is just a dumb bit he came up with a week ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542406
He's not being her friend, that's for sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>Gunrun retweeted Mouse's SOTD announcement

saved?

[Anonymous No.]

does silver even know about the thilvervale bit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542469
He should probably stop. I can't believe he's dumb enough to play with this right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542491
Who cares?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542491
Her mom does. And she liked it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540974
She has a personal manager I think. Mentioned very rarely
If she is in an agency she's never told anyone what it is

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542532
She does? So someone told her?

[Anonymous No.]

Aethel fucking lost it

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542555
Everyone loves those comfy wolfy vibes

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542478
can he rt something from froot and zen too

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542275
99% of rrats here have been proven true, but i'll save your post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542470
Well she seems to be an excessively hard person to be friends with.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542679
she's two boot goofin

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542720
She's goofin alright. Goofin a little too much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542518
eh, she's probably gonna get mad over some other stupid bullshit anyways, might as well have a little fun with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>48540165
mouse, in all seriousness... please take care in whatever decision you make

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542824
she's gonna ask kawnur to flip a coin

[Anonymous No.]

Who is aethel roasting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542869
He'll tell her it says to leave even if it doesn't

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542932
He wants to make content out of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542930
Someone from his discord

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542930
Some random autismo who showed up in chat and said Steve's MREs looked like shit and that she could do better.

[Anonymous No.]

Looking forward to Kiara's characteristic German bluntness on that SOTD.
"So Ms. Mouse, what is it like being in an agency where everyone is leaving?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542824
I really hope that if she stays its because they gave her a great contract and not just because she does not want to cause problems for people

[Anonymous No.]

>>48543118
>How's it feel to be in a dying agency?
>Feels great! Just peachy!

[Anonymous No.]

>>48543118
except mouse is the one interviewing kiara genius

[Anonymous No.]

>>48543372
>he's never seen an SOTD

[Anonymous No.]

new indie on aethel's stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>48543372
This nigga never watched SOTD huh?

[Anonymous No.]

I think it's funny that when I pointed out that Mouse said she was still in negotiations I got a bunch of people telling me she was joking and calling me an autist. Now people have just accepted she wasn't. Who is the autist now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48543372
Lmao, Watch streams bud

[Anonymous No.]

>kiara sotd
>it's the usual shooting the shit
>the end comes
>there's one final surprise
>kiara announces graduation
>other ENs are joining her
>mouse announces she's leaving vshojo
>indies become dominant in the west
>only relevant EN corpos are niji and phase
>this was gun's plan all along
Sasuga, backpack-san

[Anonymous No.]

>>48543528
based if true

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>48543528
Kiara is in Mori's tabletop she's doing with Mouse and Nyan and Aethel soon. I don't know what else they might have in terms of real future stuff to talk about, but that's one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48543907
Aethals 1 view DM friend he gamed with Nyan previously was Mori with a voicechanger.

Brilliant!

[Anonymous No.]

>>48543504
everyone in these threads desu

[Anonymous No.]

Nyan is bullying autists

[Anonymous No.]

Why is aethel losing his shit over a random pizza?

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/VShojoJP/status/1620354769603940353

[Anonymous No.]

>>48544162
Is this the thing Gunrun flew to Japan for?

[Anonymous No.]

Aethel boutta get cancelled for bullying a chatter who's clearly autistic

[Anonymous No.]

it's fucked up that we missed out on the funniest timeline where vei and silver get replaced with shylily and sinder

[Anonymous No.]

>>48544248
Unironically he's been flying a little too close to the sun lately.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48544248
He thought it was a Nyan bit character like Mikey Gonzolas. But it was apparently someone real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48542491
I doubt she'll take offense, annoyed? Maybe if it gets spammed in her chat, in which case Nyan and Aethel will drop it and politely tell people to stop spamming it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48544246
Who knows. He'll do anything besides manage the company.

[Anonymous No.]

new thread
>>48544406
>>48544406
>>48544406

[Anonymous No.]

>>48544154
>>48544248
?

[Anonymous No.]

>koolkatt keeps uploading new food
Definitely autism, doesn't know when to let the bit die

[Anonymous No.]

>>48544248
he used to be so respectful bros

[Anonymous No.]

>>48544248
no joke that guy is going to get canceled if he actually makes any headway in the Hollywood Music Industry for being a straight white fit male, also the gay jokes he makes about himself is definitely not going to help