i cant believe kobo is this based.

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[Anonymous No.]

I don't speak Star Wars.

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>>48004689
Translate it if you want the bait to be more effective.

[Anonymous No.]

Wait until the pride month happens. Faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>Mori once again ruins a collab with tech issues
>Kobo says collabing with Mori was a waste of time
>suddenly this days old Kobo shit pops up
HMMMMMM

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>>48004689
I would not call her based, I would call her reasonable and sane.
Calling her based just sounds stupid, if you ask me (no one asked me)

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>>48004689
In Indonesia she would be stoned to death if she said she support them

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Third worlders will literally speak in "blorg bapo menk yang bomk" and get mad at you for pointing it out

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>>48004689
I know this board is full of indonesians but you should still translate whatever the fuck that picture says

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>>48004689
So, what I'm getting here is no blue cunny lesbian sex then? Shame...

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Thumbnail TL according to Google Translate: God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Bobby.
It's a great clickbait, I guess.
But the question is about Kobo's position on dating a woman. She is shitting on Kiara and Ragus in some extent, I guess.

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>>48004689
But she hangs out with homos all the time?

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>>48005106
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H8EwBIOeGY
Now I suddenly remember her reaction to Altare saying he had a boyfriend. lmao

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>>48005583
Mashallah my child, kill all faggots

[Anonymous No.]

Damn little brat...need correction

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>>48004689
>indog runes

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>>48005106
she's shitting on Reine

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>>48004689
>>48005106
>>48004708
>>48004862
>>48005034
From the last time this was posted
>>47788815
>>47788859
>>47788903
>>47789300
Whole thread was a good read
>>47787538

[Anonymous No.]

No wonder she's avoiding JP. They probably gifted her BL books thinking she's one of them anime girls. Turns out she's just wearing an anime skin.

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>>48005982
>>>47789300
amin

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>>48004976
agreed

that is better

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>>48004689
Sistas not like this...

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>>48004941
Agreed

that is better

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>>48004689
always has been

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>>48005982
man imagine talking about geopolitics on /vt/

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>>48005982
>thread deleted

LMAO

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>>48009554
HOLY FUUCK JANNIES ARE LGBT FAGGOTS SUB-HUMANS

>geopolitics
yeah geopolitics is when gay faggots

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>>48009554
HOLY FUUCK JANNIES ARE LGBT FAGGOTS SUB-HUMANS
>>48009505

>geopolitics
yeah geopolitics is when gay faggots

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>>48009554
Let's recreate it here

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>>48009952
Yeah ok sure..

>here a chatter asks Kobo if she is interested in girls
>which to she replies with "The one and almighty created Adam and Eva, not Adam and Bob"
https://youtu.be/Q9UhJsMs49M?t=3580
>Halal Kobo

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>>48009554
Not like it does anything, people can just read it on the archive. I can only imagine how much seethe that must generate in a janny so pissy they delete a thread that's already been archived over some random fag shit.
lmao

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>>48004689
She's not down with the cause. Oh nyos.

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>>48011040
Christians say "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" since that rhymes in English.

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>>48009750
Yeah, one janny here is a literal troon. Tranny Janny isn't just a meme on this board

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>>48004689
Funny how ID gen 3 has one of the most toxic members in hololive and one of the sweetest

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>>48004689
>"The Almighty created Adam and Eve, not Adam and... Eh... Bobi, for example. Hehe..."
Holy based

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>>48011040
wait...
>Adam and Eva

I thought she was Muslim

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>>48012065
Muslims use the old testament too. They just believe the Talmud/Christian new testament is blasphemy.

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>>48012104
You know how Jesus was supposed to the the prophesized saviour of the jews? Like, that's why the romans wrote "Jesus Christ, King of Jews" on his cross.
Of course the jews called him a fraud, so what little followers he had went from door to door after he was already dead, and told people about his "miracles". These became christians. People who believe in a jewish fraud.
Much later christian knights were slaughtering sandniggers during the crusades, and they left such an impression that Mohammed wrote a spinoff to the bible, so that his people would also gladly sacrifice their lifes for rewards in the afterlife - much cheaper than paying people in the here and now.
Basically, there's a whole lot of copy paste going on, causing these three religions to be calle the "abrahamic religions". And yes, muslims believe in Jesus Christ, for real.

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>>48012732
>And yes, muslims believe in Jesus Christ, for real.
Yes, Muslims believe in Jesus, whom they refer to as Isa in Arabic. In Islam, Jesus is considered one of the greatest prophets and messengers of God, alongside other figures such as Moses, Abraham, and Muhammad. Muslims believe that Jesus was born to the Virgin Mary through a miraculous birth and that he performed many miracles, including healing the sick and raising the dead.

However, there are some differences between the Islamic and Christian beliefs about Jesus. Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the son of God or that he died on the cross for the sins of humanity. Instead, they believe that Jesus was a prophet sent by God to guide humanity and that he was raised to heaven by God before he could be crucified.

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>>48011563
kek

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>>48004689
blue homo was dumb as fuck to bring his opinions on trannies into holo and Kobo is also retarded apparently if this translation is accurate >>48011040 >>48011563
Will probably go under the radar because ID but still.

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>>48012732
Christ is God.

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>>48013114
>blue homo was dumb as fuck to bring his opinions on trannies
Wait, what? Mind giving me a summary? I don't watch Altare.

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>>48013124
God is One
The first man is Adam.
The last man is Christ.

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>>48013166
He addressed not playing the wizard game by saying
>Gotta support the cause y'know?
Tacitly endorsing the shitshow that was going on around anyone choosing to play it

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>>48013275
Thanks for the info, anon. Not surprised he's a faggot.

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>>48005960
she will get corrected

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>>48013338
https://www.youtube.com/live/deIu9IyuZRI?feature=share&t=4879
Starts here, yeah the retard gave a semi reasonable answer at first iirc but then couldn't help but stick his foot in it to virtue signal.

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>>48013166
remember that hogwarts legacy drama where LGBT people were harassing streamers for playing the game? someone asked altare if he was going to play it and he said he wouldn't because A. he already gets a ton of hate from hololive fans and doesn't want to get anymore, and B. he "supports the cause" (his exact words), basically justifying the fact that people had been harassing people over this by saying their cause was actually justified (it's funny too cause the entire reason he brought it up was to avoid hate and he ended up attracting way more hate to himself) this picture >>48005907
was made as a direct result of that incident

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>>48013114
>Kobo is also retarded
No she is not, her audience are indonesians that dont give a fuck about all these useless rights

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>>48013573
That's not my point though, Altare all but saying
>Support the cause wizard game is transphobic
was fucking disgusting to see from a hololive talent but Kobo going
>It's Adam and EVE not Adam and STEVE
Is no less stupid even if it's "based"
Keep it to yourself don't bring it into holo streams I imagine the rest of the ID girls apart from Reine have similar opinions but they are smart enough to not potentially cause trouble for the company and their colleagues.

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>>48013735
I doubt anything serious is going to happen

this is a japanese's companies subsidiary located in 3d world muslim country with muslim audiences
not some american western company like google

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>>48013991
You have too much faith in twitertranny and not meddling on other country business.

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>>48014193
ID Twitter got her back
https://twitter.com/kobokanaeru/status/1632386025615167488?t=nViQA3XiRwxhqMltZnNANQ&s=19

read the comments

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>>48009554
That thread was 3 days ago...

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Anyone who watched Kobo before knows that she always goes with the flow. Just like how she supported TakaMori and said that she swing both ways in a collab with Reine.

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>>48013991
You are probably right and it will go unnoticed. The fact remains though that if some established clipper decided to cause trouble for no reason something like that would be instant chum in the water for twitter trannies and holoantis. The twitch clique kobo has been cosying up to would drop her instantly too (this part is a net positive) and the homoEN fanbase is full of sisters who would do likewise.

I don't really care that much what happens to Kobo but considering she is doing a lot more EN stuff and reaching out to the twitch audience she should probably wise up, even Pekora stopped calling people faggots.

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>>48013573
It's much better to not bring politic and religion issue into streams
One of the thing that's good about Hololive is they try to avoid politic and religion as much as possible, especially after chinkout

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>>48014306
Thats super kino
we need to be like indochads more

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>>48004689
>The almighty
Believing in god is almost as bad as been a troon

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>>48013735
Can you explain how it is stupid? She is Indonesian.
86% of Indonesians are Muslims. 10% are Christian. That leaves like 4% who might not agree. Her audience is loving this shit. People tried to cancel her for playing the wizard game not long ago and it didn't go well, because her audience actually protects her.

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>>48014306
https://files.catbox.moe/bilbl6.mp4

I FUCKING KNEEL INDONIKI'S

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>>48016782
It's stupid considering that she's basically insulting half of the company, including some from her own branch.

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>>48004689
Reminder that when the month long imperial 'holiday' comes up one of those narcissists will come along and try and stir up shit on the interbutts.
Reminder that Indonesia left the dollar zone a few days ago.
If someone fucks with Kobo just go full Everybody's Grudge and laugh and mock the coping and seething.

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>>48016782
She is not the only Holomem in HoloID you retard
Moona is doing a bit of yuribaits for fan service
Kaela is doing yuribaits as well
And a lot of Hologirls gave thirsty comments when they saw beautiful girls, for both 2D and 3D girls
Just don't bring this sort of thing to the streams

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>>48017593
Just don't watch the streams if you don't like it. If I hated yuribait I wouldn't watch the streamers that do it. I mean I don't, but I don't necessarily hate it either.

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>>48013114
If there's one thing the zealotry and rabidness of ID fans are good for, it's gatekeeping normalfags and rebuffing culture war drama
Recall how they reacted to Twit tard people chastising Moona from streaming the Hogwarts game

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>>48004689
>OMG SHE TALKED SHIT ABOUT THE NEW HD TV FROM LG
Damn indonesian is such a meme kek. Or maybe I just got to accustomed to niponese. Anyway at least indogs arent bending the knee so kudos to them

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>>48017470
Alright thats kinda based and Zaion pilled

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>>48017761
If she wanted to say that it's wrong for a woman to date another woman at least don't do it when you're a part of a company where a large chunk of it engage in yuribaiting.

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>Kobo wanted to spend quality time with her father
>His new girlfriendRyS is there and he only gives her attention
Mori was the deadbeat today

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>>48017470
>oh my satan she she said the Adam and Eve line
>she's insulting us, can you believe these het bigots, she needs correction of the non breeder kind
>that'll show those bigots, then we can wave our flags and spike the football, mandated pride parade in Jakarta like we did those east euro countries
>yaas, tolerance baby!
The times, they are changing. Big Anus ain't gonna hold the whip hand for much longer, might want to get used to it.

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>>48017761
Quite the opposite, I'm leaning towards liking yuri because I'm pro CGDCT, I dislike the ones with very obvious yuribaits to farm points with yurifags
My point is she shouldn't bring this whole "God creates Adam and Eve, not Adam and Bobi" to her stream
She can simply reject by saying no if someone send her donation and asked "Bo, do you want to date girls?"
And Hololive is quite well known for their soft yuri contents, doesn't that mean she basically shit on her coworkers?

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>>48004689
>Based
Didn't know this board was full of hardcore muslims

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>>48018428
>Let's make hololive a front in the culture war
Blue homo should fuck off with his support the cause garbage and (You) should fuck off too

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>>48018285
Yuribaiting for an audience does not = having real romantic relationships.

>>48018487
Why is she not allowed to have opinions that don't align with some other people? No it doesn't mean she shat on her coworkers. How did it even come to that conclusion?

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>>48011040
True, though he did create both Eve and Lilith and there isn't anything in the bible about a woman lying with another woman as with a male, soooo

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>>48018487
lets be honest here, the only lesbian in the WHOLE cpmpany is Matsuri, no exceptions, not even bisexuals
the others are just for show and yuribait
so they prob didnt take this personally, and yuribaiting is cringe af, so Kobo calling it out is 2x basedge
>>48018645
always has been

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>>48016782
The fact that 2/3 of HoloID does yuribaiting is really interesting considering how much ID fans hate LGBTQ stuff, or maybe L doesn't count.

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>>48018900
>matuli
>anon missed za hando incident

[Anonymous No.]

do people really think this will have any effect on holomen?

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>>48018962
Less people are bothered by it, for sure.

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>>48018828
>splitting hairs this hard
You dont even like abrahamic doctrine. Why even try to make excuses for fags

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>>48012732
>Much later christian knights were slaughtering sandniggers during the crusades, and they left such an impression that Mohammed wrote a spinoff to the bible,
Mohammed predates the crusades by a good 400 years. Arabia was largely paganistic before he conquered it and enforced Islam as the only religion allowed, founding the Caliphate which the crusades were called against.

Retard.

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>>48018900
Anonchama do your RM reps...

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>>48019189
The original text is the one that split those hairs, my friend

[Anonymous No.]

>>48018900
poruka...

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>>48018962
well woman always were more intimate and touchy with each other without being sexually attracted to each other
so this is normal and acceptable

[Anonymous No.]

>>48019308
If you say so homo

[Anonymous No.]

Anime is porn and porn is haram.

[Anonymous No.]

imagine being naz/ and having a jewish friend.

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>>48018962
>maybe L doesn't count.
Of course.
Lesbianism is phase.
Gay is disgusting because they stick the peepee to the poopoo.
And trannies are considered mentally ills here.

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Why are Indonesians so ignorant? Jeez.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48020173
Indos are aware of the corporate sponsored multi-culti, globo-homo gayplex.
Inshallah.

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>>48011040
Incredibly based. I guess the indochad status meme makes justice.

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>>48020173
keep seething, mutt. while your country get eaten from inside out by these spectrums us indogs are practically immune to commienism and troonism. thats what you got from abandoning god.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48021309
On the contrary. Tolerance and freedom will save the world

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>>48021483
If what you're peddling is actually tolerance and freedom, yes. That however is not the case.

[Anonymous No.]

Holos who have made reference to lgbt in a POLITICAL way at least once (in positive)

>kiara
>fauna
>mori
>amelia
>altare
>coco (ok, shes not a holo anymore but anyways)
>noel
>matsuri (probably because some hints in deleted tweets)

The rest might be raging dykes but afaik they didn't open her mouth about the shit, they probably don't care, but the above ones 100% felt insulted. Kobo is a cunt

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>>48022383
Kobo is a good girl. The ones you listed are prostitutes on the way to hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48022383
YWNBAW and 41% yourself

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>>48022383
https://streamable.com/8tmjld

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To the muslims in this thread, you are literally watching sexy anime women
That's haram you hypocrites
This is very similar to your idiotic policy of not eating pork, but still smokes and drinks alcohol

>>48021483
>Tolerance and freedom
>Trannies are pouncing on people left and right for playing a vidya
>People with mental illness are demanding other people to call them with weird pronouns
>Forcing kids to be trannies

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>>48021483
well, yes of course. keeps tolerating these lunatics to sterilise your kids then, will make it easier to clean your kaffer ass when the second coming of jesus happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48022383
>absolutely random list of names
whatd you use? d8? d10?

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>>48021483
>Tolerance and freedom will save the world

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>>48021483

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>>48019261
You're splitting hairs. Unless you want to suggest Mohammed came up with all the stuff literally copied from Christianity and Judaism by himself.
>>48018285
All she said was that it is out of the question for her to date a girl since it's against her beliefs. "I could never be gay" is as much an insult to her coworkers as "I'm vegitarian".

[Anonymous No.]

Based
I want a genuinely homophobic vtuber for EN3

[Anonymous No.]

>>48023586
>400 years of history is splitting hairs
You're a revisionist faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48022536
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dHhJadN-6M
Yeah these people are no better than any other rules for thee but not me Christian.
Everyone just lives for their own convenience. The world is fucked.

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>>48022586
If I would give hints about most of what I say, I would be banned. but hey, if you want to discuss kson, we all know her rainbow pizza, which was a few months ago. Noel's thing is this
https://youtu.be/YA9JMb6OdfQ

>>48022493
Don't tell me, tell them lmao. Except that they're women already

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>>48024165
I'm not going to look up the exact dates and names of the christians that impressed Mohammed with their beliefs.
Yes, you are splitting hairs over the term crusades.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48024286
>rainbow pizza
>rainbow =/= faggots
dont appropriate culture pls

[Anonymous No.]

>>48024286
And everyone knows how were Kiara /Mori 's early reputation

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[Anonymous No.]

>>48024452
if you belive them you are a faggot leech

Mori is a woman with so much sex experience

[Anonymous No.]

>>48024534
I think you're quoting the wrong person, or you're stupid and don't have reading comprehension.

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>>48024452
Interestingly, Kiara has said on stream that she's never touched a womans breasts "like that".
And if you're into RM stuff you'll know both have confirmed past relationships (with men).
So... the gay is pretty much 100% keyfabe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48024705
>quoting
what?
I am quoting no one

[Anonymous No.]

>>48024742
>So... the gay is pretty much 100% keyfabe.
Just like in real life. Lesbians don't exist

[Anonymous No.]

>>48024742
I'm not saying that the listed ones are gay, what I'm saying is that they have spoken positively about the lgbt. My god, your reading comprehension niggas.

And kiara literally dated a woman about 6 years ago. Mori is obviously straight.

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>>48004909
mori is a cunt who has been slowly separating herself from hololive, if she didn't have universal music contract thru them she'd be gone over to vshojo already.

I don't think mori actually cares about deadbeats. she's using you all

[Anonymous No.]

>>48025005
>separating herself from hololive
I wish

[Anonymous No.]

>>48014306
why can't EN fans be like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48012995
Funny thing is what Muslims believe about Jesus is Christian Apocrypha but they claim they didn't copy it from apocrypha.

[Anonymous No.]

Rather have yuribait than a cock-slobbering prostitute

[Anonymous No.]

>>48013991
>>48014193
Everything is globalized now, getting into peoples business is the norm. The world gets smaller and smaller.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48024967
>And kiara literally dated a woman about 6 years ago
source?

[Anonymous No.]

Western cililization is being purposely turned into filth by those who are in power, it all starts from the top. I noticed there is even trans politicians now in usa. Do you think the muslim bro's look at this lightly? hell no, then they see the absolute joke of a soft leader usa has. American corporations and politicians are setting it up for a takedown... Red Dawn.. not sure which red it will be , but probably be a cleanup job after America destroys itself. China using mexico and the cartel to do so.. Fentanyl is only produced in china, they using the cartel to get it into america... someone needs to just nuke the part of china where Xi is located. Problem solved. The people in China hate him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48025336
globalized but under whom?
Indonesia started switching the "global" currency the dollar few days ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>48022383
>ame the closet lolbertarian
>kiryu "tr@nns rights? what's that?" coco
>positive
Also, you forgot the following, sistourist:
>suisei
>kanata

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>>48025338
Kiara is prison lesbian for the most part, had trauma relating to men so she went gay. Also vtubing as a whole is really gay for some reason with the yuribaiting.

>>48022383
Half of the people in that list are gay anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48018285
Yuribaiting is just fanservice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48025534
>Kiara is prison lesbian for the most part, had trauma relating to men so she went gay. Also vtubing as a whole is really gay for some reason with the yuribaiting.
Like I said the source is that I made it the fuck up
Dont beg for gay population boom bc it aint happening for biological reasons
>>48025534
>Half of the people in that list are gay anon.
not even one is

[Anonymous No.]

>>48024279
>I know it's Haram but Allah is so Merciful
Ain't watching that shit, the title alone sounds shit
It's the same shit in all religions, people who are trying to appear as pious followers tend to be hypocrites who conveniently twist the holy books to fit them

[Anonymous No.]

Lesbians need to be corrected with cock

[Anonymous No.]

>>48025534
She literally said she likes women explicitly, but hey, if you're that good at reading minds... I don't think any straight women would behave like kiara, looks fucking bizarre.

>>48025338
No, I'm not going to post anything, look for yourself, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48025442
Under technology, 50 years ago if you wanted to talk to someone on the other side of the world you have very limited options and it would be done for specialized reasons. Look at this very website, it has people form all over the world. You think your granpa could sit down in his chair when he was young and talk about japanese animation with some Indonesian person on the other side of the world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48025702
religions is full of bull crap. thats why i stay atheist.

aint gonna give some 500 y old fiction book made by child fuckers tell me what to do

[Anonymous No.]

>>48025799
>No, I'm not going to post anything, look for yourself, retard.
heh
common sense prevails yet again and faggots are made up of lies yet again

[Anonymous No.]

>rm
>past relationship
abayos

[Anonymous No.]

>>48005960
Based if true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48025799
>I don't think any straight women would behave like kiara
>never seen a woman in his life
retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>48018828
Apparently lilith was a massive cunt to adam. She was probably a tranny. Still, the point is that women will drag you out of paradise

[Anonymous No.]

>>48026190
she was feminist, which is the other side of transgenderism

so yeah she was a cunt

[Anonymous No.]

>>48026144
Literaly i had a girlfriend, retard. If I was gushing about men (2d and 3d) all the time, kissing men and saying that "I'm confusing about my sexuality" you wouldn't say thai i'm a massive faggot??

[Anonymous No.]

>>48013991
I dont know, this is the issues with a globalized audience. You have a bunch of people with very different values, with that said most Holo girls are some level of gay and ID is especially gay (lesbian threesome stream).

[Anonymous No.]

>>48026296
I dont know who to feel sorry about
you or your idiotic girlfriend anon

But still God bless both of you

[Anonymous No.]

>>48025643
>not even one is
We have actual confirmation of multiple of them being lesbians anon. Look man vtubing filters for this shit, the type of women who feel ok with getting money by flirting with other women on a daily basis are not gonna be the straightest women.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48026325
>dont know, this is the issues with a globalized audience
its and Indonesian muslim audience issue
>>48019362(look)
>>48018900

[Anonymous No.]

>>48026375
Allah sucks my cock faggot, same as your mom

[Anonymous No.]

>>48026448
>Look man vtubing filters for this shit, the type of women who feel ok with getting money by flirting with other women on a daily basis are not gonna be the straightest women.
not they will be gold diggers

[Anonymous No.]

>>48025799
Kiara is unique, she had a weird life and not in a good way. There is a more than zero chance she was abused at some point in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48026505
what a smart and resonable response from a man with integrity and one with a knowledgr about woman (ironic just saying because you crearly are stupid enough to take it serious)

[Anonymous No.]

>>48026527
There is a non-zero chance she took money for it.
>>48026448
>vtubing filters for this shit
Yeah, it filters for pretending to be gay to make your audience not suspect anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48014193
>(nay-gro)

[Anonymous No.]

>>48024343
Muhammed died in 632.
The first crusade began in 1096. There was no such thing a crusader in the Middle East before that point because there were no crusades.
Don't try and bullshit me or anyone else in this thread that the Coptic/Miyaphyisite faith could have pumped out crusaders, either. They were largely (and still are) mystics, not warriors.

I am not splitting hairs.
Muhammed would never have seen a crusader.

[Anonymous No.]

>>48026740
Maybe you're right, so why and from whom did he copy christianity then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>48026814
The 3 abrahamic religions took liberties for inspiration from each other, and 3 of them were slightly inspired by old mesopotamian religioins and greek philosophy

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>>48024343
What a retarded point to make. You could have talked about its connections to judaism/early christianity but you chose to make a nonsensical point
>fiction book made by child fuckers
Kek.. what was the saying about glass houses?

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>>48026608
Sucking my cock has nothing to do with know women or not. And chill a bit, bro, you're taking this serious, you're not an unironic bomberman right?

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>>48026950
I fucked up the second quote was about >>48025886

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>>48026966
>chill a bit, bro
you say this to me while throwing 5 insults in 1 sentence?

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>>48026966
>bomberman
what does that even mean sir?

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>>48027049
Who fucking cares about being insulted in a forum of apes like the one where are we talking?

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>>48026934
It's pretty much a copy paste job, "inspiration" is putting it a bit mildly.

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kiara is a fucking faggot idk what are you talking about
reine is probably one but she will never came out, she has the society, her 2d mom and now a coworker against her. she will probably marry a chad in some years

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>>48026731
Your Espanol reps. That is how it's pronounced.

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>>48026637
Kiara RM wanted to be in the idol industry, not exactly the nicest place behind the scenes.

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>>48027186
apparently you judging by

evidence 1
>>48026505

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>>48026637
People who are comfortable with acting gay on a daily basis fro money are already a couple of steps away from being straight.

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Kiara is made for big producer dick. She isnt a faggot like the coping retards itt

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>>48027481
its SUPER normal for woman but not for western man

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>>48026814
Why does it need to be crusaders? Abrahamic relifions were all over the place there.

>>48026934
Thats impossible given that both Christianity and Judaism are way older than Islam.

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>>48026261
lillith was a screech owl succubus not even a real human being. a demon. or Shedim spirit
Most of religion is a metaphor for spiritual riddles.

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>>48027598
Anon if you know women who flirt and touch each other every day you know lesbians.

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>>48018900
Do your Matsuri RM reps. Koyori is a lesbian but more so that she just accepted that she's too fucking old to be desired by men anymore if you look at her history spanning back to the early 2000's.

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>>48018962
Most anti homo stuff is mostly really anti gay stuff, lesbian stuff seems to be looked at the other way, especially in Islam. Also islamic anti gayness seems very narrow to actual gay lifestyles since homosexual behavior is found all over in islamic cultures, people just go no homo after. Remember this is a culture with the saying "Women are for marriage, men are for fun" that shit did not appear out of thin air.

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>>48027710
with it again..*sigh*

woman are generally really touchy with each other without being gay

I have known tens of them, all the same touchy ones

and guess where I live
in a fucking muslim super conservative country

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>>48018962
ID is gay as shit, this is the branch that pretty much streamed a threesome once.

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>>48027881
Anon i get women are touchy, but if you see a group of girls who are always touching each other in a sexual context while flirting, some of them talk about loving each other THAT way, some of them talk about kissing each other and some of them even have a previous history of having sex with women you have a group of at least bisexual girls.

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What's the actual meaning and context for the OP, and is it genuine?

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>>48021483
>tolerance, even of non-establishment approved ideas, and freedom from establishment persecution will save the world
True!

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>>48025526
When kanata and suisei say anything about lgbt (political, not personal)?

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>>48026740
yep and that my friend is why Freemasons wear the Fez cap and have the star and sword on it. Shriners of Freemasonry, direct link back to islam. They reference this in Indiana Jones original films with the hats.

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>>48028123
>Anon i get women are touchy, but if you see a group of girls who are always touching each other in a sexual context while flirting, some of them talk about loving each other THAT way, some of them talk about kissing each other
yeah thats called keeping the Idol lesbian facade so that nobody suspects them for dating man
you sound like a coping horse with horn(y)
>some of them even have a previous history of having sex with women
I would like the source of this info
whether you will find it on pornhub idk
you cant because you just made it the fuck up

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pekora is the most popular female streamer in the world and she hates gays

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>>48004689
Allahu kekbar!!

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There is zero evidence for the existence of god or any of the beliefs of the world's numerous religions, islam is no exception; they're all on the same level as fairytales. Why would the omnipotent supreme creator of such a vast universe that supposedly exists outside of time and purposefully created everyone even care about who people have sex with, let alone humans which are a miniscule, totally irrelevant speck in the scale of the universe? It makes no sense and it's completely irrational to hold such bronze age beliefs that were so clearly just invented back in the day for arbitrary selfish population control reasons. If a god does exist, it's much more like that it's a being beyond comprehension that is totally inhuman, that doesn't give a fuck about you and especially doesn't give a fuck what you fuck. On top of this, appeals to nature arguments also fall apart since homosexuality has been observed in other animals in nature anyway.

Kobo is not 'based' for regurgitating these irrational archaic views, she is simply a dumb child repeating what her parents have indoctrinated into her. All of the openly dyke vtubers will always be more based than Kobo because at least they can actually think for themselves and don't just obey meaningless arbitrary traditions and social norms.
Religion poisons everything.

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>>48028614
Most of these are straight because that's the common thing, but a smol amounts of gays still exists, more than anything because the vtuber culture itself attracts these people. Matsuri, Kiara, Miko, Koyori and some others are highly likely to be.
Everyone agrees with that no?

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>>48029019
I only suspect Matsuri to be the only one who is genuine
because she spoke really confidently about it and didnt try to use it as a attention grab like Miko and Koyori, who are talking about it like it was some new fashion style they try to look good

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>>48029001
because god knows faggotry leads to moral decay and the collapse of society

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>>48004689
>”Mommy Kewahwah… why did you commit a sin and lust after other Holo girls? Why mommy Kewahwah?”
What did she mean by this?

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>>48029252
why would god care about moral decay and the collapse of society if it actually existed? And if god did care about this, why deliberately make it possible to happen?

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>>48029001
I dont necessary belive in God
but I do belive in the morals it tries to represent and promote, whether it is based on others or not
It is a guiding light in this unknown universe of ours

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>>48029343
>why would god care about moral decay and the collapse of society if it actually existed
I dont care what god thinks
this is ruining the society that WE live in while he is sitting on his chair (if it exist)

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>>48029001
Wait, I'm an atheist too and I don't understand the significance of the CO alarm.

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>>48028385
Do your menshi and concert reps
Speak English properly, then maybe I'll spoonfeed you next time

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>>48029001
>Kobo is not 'based' for regurgitating these irrational archaic views, she is simply a dumb child repeating what her parents have indoctrinated into her
it is better than the other choice by far

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>>48027649
Straight up copying a religion that you're in conflict with, and even further playing up the angle that you should be happy to die for it, speaks to me to heavy outside pressure. Something you'd do out of necessity, not because you fancy to.
I don't see how you'd go so hard and extreme because you met some christian scholars.

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>>48029251
>reading minds
Migo is GAE
Also this is a yuri thread now

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>>48030458
Forgot the pic

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>>48004976
Based Indonesia

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Why is Hana Macchia allowed to be a dyke in Indonesia? Thought
And having an alt account full of lesbian porn.

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>>48030893
A religious society just punishes public displays of degeneracy.

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>>48004689
The Blue is true.

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>>48029001
>All of the openly dyke vtubers will always be more based than Kobo because at least they can actually think for themselves and don't just obey meaningless arbitrary traditions and social norms.

How do you know they are not indoctrinated or obeying social norms? Homosexuality is an accepted social norm in a decently sized part of the world. Literal billion dollar corporations are proudly promoting their products and services under the flag of LGBTQ+ acceptance, if that's not an accepted social norm I don't know what is. Different parts of the world = different social norms.

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>>48004689

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Kobo needs to be corrected by dykes

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https://youtu.be/2O7aBnvXIng

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>>48029001
the LGBT agenda was created by occutists in the Ordo Templi orientis, specifically Harry Hay a student of Crowley. He founded the LGBT rights group of America. He was a pdo and a member of NAMBLA they have been using the gays the whole time, they want you to all legalize the pdo shit. they need to be stopped. this drag shit going on has to end. good to see some lawmakers are out there actually giving a shit. further more. fuck you

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>>48029001
>My indoctrination is better than your indoctrination
welcome to humanity retard

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>>48031303
yea well cali is a piece of shit just using vtubing to push her shitty rap music , she's already pulling a kson/coco by streaming on twitch and youtube both

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>mfw i'm kiara and i see >men
https://youtu.be/pVFqr0oqLUw

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>>48029698
Fauna once went on a tangent about how people who used to report experiencing supernatural/ghostly phenomena were just hallucinating and it could easily be explained by things like carbon monoxide poisoning and that's why old houses always seem to be hanuted. I wish I could find the clip or a timestamp but I'm pretty sure it was during a phasmophobia stream or something, could be wrong.

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>>48022383
Go back to twitter, okama clipwatcher

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https://youtu.be/StFsImIXdE8

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>>48031825
vegan and a fedora tipper. Disgusting.

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>>48005960
i need pic of kobo taking a dump on reine
and then eating it

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https://www.youtube.com/live/W6-1o6iZE50?feature=share

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>>48029866
I would much rather live in a free society - even if those freedoms led to society being chaotic and flawed with 'degenerate' behavior - than an unfree society like an islamic one. Despite all the problems liberal western societies have, they are still less miserable than extreme theocratic societies. If you allow the government to suppress and control the population in one aspect this immediately opens the door for the government to absolutely control the population in any or all other aspects on a whim; every authoritarian society in history has proved this to be the case and it always ends in misery.

Do you think just because you yourself are not a fag that living in such a society that bans faggotry would mean you wouldn't also be suppressd by such a society? You're naive if you think the control would just end there. If the state can decide they can control and oppress one group of people for one reason, what's stopping them there?

>>48031063
>>48031575
Homosexuality is an accepted social norm in the western world in the sense that homosexual people are accepted - this is not the same as a social norm like in islam that actively bans certain behaviors and demands that people live a certain way. This is only comparable if you believe that there are actually straight being indoctrinated/forced into becoming gay somehow by progressives/woke corporations and this is simply not the case. Sexuality is hard-wired into people's natures and can't really be changed and calling 'acceptance' or 'promoting gay people' the same as 'indoctrination' is a deliberate false equivalence/obfuscation of the meaning of the words.
And before you say 'oh yeah? but what about the troons...' that's a whole different can of worms to simple gay acceptance.

In any case, the dykes in Hololive like Marine, Kiara etc. are more based than Kobo because they are clearly older than her so they didn't grow up in current year where gayness is 100% accepted in their countries (in the case of JPs like Marine it still isn't 100%) and obviously they have thought about it more. Kobo on the other hand is literally a kid just repeating what her parents/culture has told her.

A good counter example to Kobo is Reine; she is also indonesian, grew up there in the exact same culture and yet she is one of the dyke holos, perhaps the most obviously so. Reine is more based than Kobo.

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>>48032566
go to grass roots army youtube and start watching videos butthead. why is this shit going on in america all of a sudden, this has nothing to do with the real actual LGBT movement, the education system is 100 percent grooming kids in a lot of areas in usa and parents are f'ing pissed. There are even groups of gays now pissed off too, look up Gays Against Groomers.

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Degenerate woman talks about degeneracy
https://youtu.be/53Ra7zSLdgQ

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>>48029001
> appeals to nature arguments also fall apart since homosexuality has been observed in other animals in nature anyway
Just because a bad mutation is uncommon, that doesnt make it good.
>rest cope
Most people need to be ruled by some sort of beliefs. You may not agree with the "fairytales" but in the end they made the west prosper. Remove that and see how the society slowly crumbles

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>>48032566
What kind of weird fantasy "western world" do you live in? I've literally seen gay pride parades. In public, people celebrating that stuff. Hell, even people receiving preferential treatment due to their belonging to the LGBTQ+ community. You're saying that this has absolutely no indoctrinating effect on behaviour? Bold claim my dude.

Marine's not even a dyke btw. Dunno about Kiara, maybe she is. Probably not.

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>>48032566
A truly based freedom loving patriot.
"I may not agree with how you live your life but I would die for your right to live it"

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>>48032022
>fedora
Same.
>vegan
The real red flag.
>>48031825
Oh yeah, I forgot about this.

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>>48029001
>There is zero evidence for the existence of god
Yeah, there is. Do you believe that something can come out of nothing? This is one question that atheists have never been able to solve, ever.

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>>48033182
>Just because a bad mutation is uncommon
it's not uncommon
>that doesnt make it good
it doesn't have to be good to have evolved, that's not how evolution works. I never even said it was good, just that it's natural so appealing to whatever is natural as being good doesn't work as an argument against it.
> You may not agree with the "fairytales" but in the end they made the west prosper
the west certainly wasn't prospering during the dark ages for hundreds of years when people lived in abject misery due to religious governance, nor have institutions like the catholic church done much to progress or improve civillisation, if not in fact holding it back severely. Sure, the foundations of classical liberalism and humanism were built out of the framework of christian morals however the majority of advancements in civillization were brought about by science and the enlightenment. And besides, religion currently in the world today - especially islam - is absolutely not improving society of the lives of anyone.
> Remove that and see how the society slowly crumbles
no free democratic liberal society in history has crumbled - plenty of authoritarian and theocratic ones have however. The evidence is not in your favor.
>Most people need to be ruled by some sort of beliefs
I will never accept that people must be ruled by parasites such as religion, tradition or cultural norms; freedom is and will always be the better option. A man chooses, a slave obeys.

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>>48033483
>die for a pedo's right to rape children
Ultra-cringe reddit platitude.

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>>48034223
No, homosexuality is *not* natural. A penis is naturally ordered to insert into a vagina the same way a doorknob is naturally ordered to be fitted on a door, and not used in gay sodomy-fests.

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>>48034303
You're free to do as you like and you're free to face the consequences.
I feel sorry for you that you live such a small life led by the nose and jumping at boogeymen but you're free to do it, lucky you.

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>>48034206
So the universe couldn't possibly have come from nothing, but god did? Or did god always exist, but the same couldn't possibly be true for the universe? What did god do before he created the universe, just chill for a couple infinities?
You don't even understand the universe, or space, or time, or much of anything really, so you have no qualification to say something is or isn't possible.

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we need this thread everyday

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>>48034543
>puddle thinks that the pothole was created to be in the perfect natural shape to fit it

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>>48030893
The reality of Indonesia and what the gov pretends it is are two different things. It's like when people think the middle ages was full of noble peasants.

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>>48018900
Anon the majority of everyone is bi to some degree.
Women have an easier time accepting this because there is less stigma and vtubers in particular get clout from yuri baiting with each other.
It's very unlikely that unlikely that there is a large number of actual lesbians but if you think that the majority did not think of fucking each other you are in denial.

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>>48025005
>>48004909
retard tranny

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>>48034206
> Do you believe that something can come out of nothing?
ah yes the classic william lane craig argument that has been countered a billion times over the decades.
Atheists have been able to solve this in a few ways:
1. if it's impossible that something can come out of nothing, where did god come from? oh, he was always there? why can't the universe have simply always been there then in various forms? God is an unnecessary middleman.
2. the stephen hawking model of the universe that sees all of time starting with the big bang is not the only model of the universe that scientists have. The universe might also be in an infinite cycle, it might be a multiverse where ours is just one outcome. None of these require god if time/the universe is eternal.

We know the age of the universe, we know its expanding, we know the big bang happened and that cosmic inflation is happening, we have all the evidence for this and various theories that make it make sense.
You have zero evidence for god other than theologian word game arguments and books written thousands of years ago by people who thought the world was flat and that smearing yourself in pigeon blood somehow cured leprosy.

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>>48034206
There has never been a "nothing." Energy, i.e. photons, is massless is not bound by spacetime. At the moment, Big Bang cosmology is humanity's best guess as to how the universe came into being, but there is no consensus as to how the Big Bang itself occurred. There are several cyclic models that have been proposed, one of my favorites being Roger Penrose's Conformal Cyclic Cosmology (CCC), to explain the origin of the universe, but we just don't know at this point. And that's okay if we don't know.

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>>48032566
>Do you think just because you yourself are not a fag that living in such a society that bans faggotry would mean you wouldn't also be suppressd by such a society? You're naive if you think the control would just end there. If the state can decide they can control and oppress one group of people for one reason, what's stopping them there?
He's got a point, to be honest.

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>>48035002
>>48034901
Tipping my fedora to you gentlemen.

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>>48024286
Is Botan, gamer companies and SSR gacha pulls also faggot supporters couse rainbow?
Wtop being a western whore.

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>>48034635
>So the universe couldn't possibly have come from nothing, but god did? Or did god always exist, but the same couldn't possibly be true for the universe?
God always existed. The universe didn't because it demonstrably isn't eternal.
>What did god do before he created the universe, just chill for a couple infinities?
There's no "before." God isn't bound by time.
>You don't even understand the universe, or space, or time, or much of anything really, so you have no qualification to say something is or isn't possible.
You still haven't answered the question. Can something come from nothing, or not? Why are atheists such sophists?
>>48034730
Strawman. Do better.

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>>48034223
>it's not uncommon
It is or else you would see it much more spread or it wouldnt be so ostracised in the first place.
>the west certainly wasn't prospering during the dark ages for hundreds of years when people lived in abject misery due to religious governance, nor have institutions like the catholic church done much to progress or improve civillisation, if not in fact holding it back severely. Sure, the foundations of classical liberalism and humanism were built out of the framework of christian morals however the majority of advancements in civillization were brought about by science and the enlightenment. And besides, religion currently in the world today - especially islam - is absolutely not improving society of the lives of anyone.
>muh dark ages
I thought your favourite pop sci channels dispelled most of the myths rigarding that time period
TThere may have been strife and other problems but the benefits cannot be disregarded. Most of the hardships weren't just because of religion, but because the lack of knowledge. The modern atheists inherited the great empires and now want to take credit for all the advancements the previous religious people made
>no free democratic liberal society in history has crumbled - plenty of authoritarian and theocratic ones have however. The evidence is not in your favor.
You have under 300 years under your belt. Hell, the US was mostly religious until a couple of decades ago
>I will never accept that people must be ruled by parasites such as religion, tradition or cultural norms; freedom is and will always be the better option. A man chooses, a slave obeys.
You cant you look at your average person and honestly believe that kek. You may not like it but they just replaced spiritual worship with material one

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>>48035121
>t. Philippinx

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>>48034543
why do male chimpanzees fuck each other then? why are penguins necrophiliacs? why do humans have an appendix? why are some children born to develop cancer and die by the time they're seven? why is the majority of the human genome non-functional junk DNA and filled with retroviruses?
Appealing to nature is always the most retarded argument.

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>>48030893
nta, but also noting that Mika Melatika is openly bisexual, with an overall preference for women.

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>still up
Good morning!
It's 5am in the mornjng and I want to say that gay women(uterus) are okay while faggots that puts dick in their poop holes are disgusting subhumans

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>>48035177
>>48035227
go outside you fucking loser(s)

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>>48035250
Damn, you pulled out the "appendix is useless" card. I haven't seen that one since the 90s. Nice retro cliches my man

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>>48034543
Explain this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumatic_insemination

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>>48027426
>y
that's how american dogs pronounce it

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>>48035121
>>48035318
Something something sides of a coin kek

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>>48026814
Nobody answer this idiot. This is normal high school education bullshit. His ignorant ass should read a book or something instead of acting like the foundation of Islam is some cosmic mystery.

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>>48035227
>You may not like it but they just replaced spiritual worship with material one
This is very true, and pretty much undeniable. Most everyone has a god of some sort; for many it's the Christian God, and for others it's sucking thirty dirty dicks at a gay club while snorting poppers. I'll leave it up to you to decide which one is more fulfilling to throw your hat in with.

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>>48034901
>if it's impossible that something can come out of nothing, where did god come from? oh, he was always there? why can't the universe have simply always been there then in various forms? God is an unnecessary middleman.
Because the universe is demonstrably finite, redditheist. The universe is made up of contingent objects, which means there must be a contingent fact that explains all other contingent facts. It, of course, cannot explain itself, because it is itself contingent. So there requires a non-contingent being (or Prime Mover, as is the common moniker) to set this chain of contingency into motion.
>the stephen hawking model of the universe that sees all of time starting with the big bang is not the only model of the universe that scientists have. The universe might also be in an infinite cycle, it might be a multiverse where ours is just one outcome. None of these require god if time/the universe is eternal.
Impossible for reasons stated above. DEBOONKED.

>>48035002
>There has never been a "nothing."
So you believe an infinite regress is logically consistent?

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>>48004976
then why does ID talk to holostars so much? is this really just a case of these girls being retarded and having no idea what their fans want?

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>>48035366
Rape is natural and based

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there are tranny jannies participating itt. this would explain the thread survived for 12 hours

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>>48035847
This. I cant wait for the secret janny tranny to finally lose it and banish the thread to the /bant/ dimension

[Anonymous No.]

I hope Reine gives the blue brat a good correction.

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>>48035250
>why do male chimpanzees fuck each other then?
When I mean "natural," I don't mean "found in nature," dipshit. A male chimpanzee fucking another male chimp is unnatural because his penis isn't naturally ordered to insert into another chimp's asshole. It's to procreate.

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>>48035579
>The universe is made up of contingent objects
>Except this part of the universe that is not

Arguing with theists is so incredibly stupid. If they just say "I like having faith" or whatever it's one thing but retards who try to prove that their religious bullshitery, which is by definition unprovable and untestable, is objectively correct is so fucking sad to watch

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>>48035776
Rape is tame in comparison anon.
The depth of depravity that humanity has cultivated and gathered using the internet is just a reflection of nature.
And by the way in case you want to know how the ones doing the insertion can tell males and females apart the answer is that they can't, nor care to.

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>indonesian dykes
>doing irl porn
Why the fuck they exists and aren't already executed?

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Vtuber discussion? Doko?

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>>48036276
Indo land has many tribes, languages, and cultures spread out on their island. Found this out because my best friend married one.

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>>48036477
>islands*

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>>48036113
>>The universe is made up of contingent objects
>Except this part of the universe that is not
God isn't "part of the universe." He CREATED the universe. But anyways, yes. There cannot be an infinite chain of contingent facts, because then how would you ever have come into existence? To make this fact more manageable for your plebian imagination, try to imagine having an infinite amount of ancestors.

>Arguing with theists is so incredibly stupid. If they just say "I like having faith" or whatever it's one thing but retards who try to prove that their religious bullshitery, which is by definition unprovable and untestable, is objectively correct is so fucking sad to watch

And heeeere comes the ad hominem attacks. I'm sorry, pal, but I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. Better get right with God before you're forced to endure an eternity of suffering - just sayin'.

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>/vt/ discusing religion

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>>48035177
Apparently is is possible for matter and antimatter pairs to spontaneously pop into existance, so the answer would be yes.
You're saying god always existed, and at the same time there was no "before" he created the universe. This makes no sense, you're just cause more problems than you're solving by inventing a paranormal, illogical blackbox called god, into which you put all the things you don't understand.

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>it wouldnt be so ostracised in the first place
the reason why homosexuality was ostracized in the ancient world is obviously because humanity was living in desparate scarcity and reproducing and having children was of the utmost importance. Being gay back then would mean wasting your bloodline and probably also spreading uncurable disease.
It only makes sense that societies back then would come up with social norms to prevent this as it was done out of necessity.
Obviously this is not an argument to justify being against homosexuality today in the modern world as there is no longer a functional need to do so, and it just further proves that your beliefs are based on outdated beliefs and traditions from thousands of years ago that you are repeating for no good reason.

>The modern atheists inherited the great empires and now want to take credit for all the advancements the previous religious people made
no, the modern atheists want to (correctly) credit the secular intellectuals and scientists of the past with the advancements they made, regardless of whether those people were religious (e.g. Isaac Newton was religious and an alchemist)

>Hell, the US was mostly religious until a couple of decades ago
it wasn't religious by law and religion was never culturally or institutionally enforced like it is in the modern islamic world
>You may not like it but they just replaced spiritual worship with material one
this doesn't somehow retroactively make spiritual worship better or more preferable, it just means the common person is an unintelligent slave to whatever culture they find themselves in

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>>48036963
meant for
>>48035227

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>>48036963
who is your oshi?

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>>48036767
>There cannot be an infinite chain of contingent facts
Then why are you calling the first one God?
You just came right around to disproving the whole "How did the universe come from nothing?" argument.
Either it came from nothing or it came from something we don't, or can't, understand because it's outside the universe.
Calling that thing God and personifying it, giving it sentience and purpose, saying it's omnipotent and omniscient and then trying to fit it into some backwards ass stone age religion makes zero sense.

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Isn't she a Fujo?

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>>48036110
so basically 'natural' is just whatever you arbitrarily and narrowly define it as just to prove your circular point then?
>oh this happens in nature? well that doesn't count because I've already predefined what natural means in my head so if it doesn't align with my presupposed definition, it doesn't count!
retarded circular logic

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>>48036963
>religion was never culturally or institutionally enforced like it is in the modern islamic world
Absolutely false.
Maybe not as much as in some muslim countries but was, and in many places still is, enforced.
Around 40% wouldn't vote for a non-christian or jew.
And this is not "would prefer a christian or jew", this is "would not vote for a well qualified candidate because they are not a christian or jew".

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>>48016756
Holy based

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>>48027851
That's "girls are for marriage, boys are for fun", anon
It's because they don't consider putting it in a prepubescent boy's butt to be gay

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I thought (pic related) was the only homophobic vtuber

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>>48036957
>Apparently is is possible for matter and antimatter pairs to spontaneously pop into existance, so the answer would be yes.
Nope. Not possible. At best, scientists would claim that as a primo facie observation, but I guarantee you that your sources never once claim that as the definite answer. Even if they did, how many times have scientists been BTFO'd in light of new knowledge? Remember Newton?
>You're saying god always existed, and at the same time there was no "before" he created the universe.
Like I said, God isn't bound or limited by time. He's fully actualized, unchangeable, and omnipresent at all moments of history simultaneously. From the perspective of God, there would be no "before." Do you understand now?

>This makes no sense, you're just cause more problems than you're solving by inventing a paranormal, illogical blackbox called god, into which you put all the things you don't understand.
Is an infinite regress logically consistent or not? Answer the question.

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>>48024493
The irony of her saying this and being the mama of Reine...

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>caring this much who strangers fuck on their daily personal lives
do homophobes really?

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>>48035579
>Because the universe is demonstrably finite
lolno wtf are you on about? This has never been proven to be the case
>So there requires a non-contingent being (or Prime Mover, as is the common moniker) to set this chain of contingency into motion.
there is absolutely no reason why the universe can't be infinite, the whole contingency/prime mover thing is literally just an assumption about reality based on how humans perceive their own lifespans. There doesn't have to be a beginning.

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>>48036957
>>48037484
Your shitty kindergarten sandbox slapfight is leading nowhere
What you IDpanzees should TRULY be arguing about instead is pic related
What are your opinions on women craving picrel? What do you think is Kobo's opinion?

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Kill urselves retard niggas discusing silly shit
Allah sucks dicks btw

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>>48036767
if god can infinitely exist, why can't the universe?

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Ambatukam omaygot thread

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>>48037040
Amelia Watson

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>>48004976
But her favorite holostar is izuru, who constantly talks about raping the flower and astel, who has admitted to dating a dude before.

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>>48037484
You sound like you are devolving into a God of the gaps here.
The first point of you being absolutely sure of something being impossible and that scientist just don't know enough is worrying enough by itself.
If they don't know if it's possible or not how do you?
Are you just assuming it because it's necessary for your view on what you see God as currently?
When science gets a definite answer you don't like will God flee into another, deeper, darker gap?

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>losing the argument
>spams porn

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>>48037606
If men can lust after monster girls why can't women lust after monster boys?

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>SEAfags spamming gay porn to try to get the thread nuked by jannies because they are losing the argument
KEK

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Faggots are pathetic

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>>48037065
>Then why are you calling the first one God?
...I didn't? God isn't a contingent fact, he's a necessary being. Less drag queen novels, more grammar books, amerimutt.
>>48037240
>so basically 'natural' is just whatever you arbitrarily and narrowly define it as just to prove your circular point then?
How is it an arbitrary definition? Answer honestly: is a penis meant for a vagina or not? Don't assume a contrarian position because of pride, be fucking sincere. Your own reason and logic tells you that it *is.*

>>48037767
>You sound like you are devolving into a God of the gaps here.
Self-defeating argument. Who's to say you aren't devolving into a "science of the gaps" argument? Or naturalism of the gaps, materialism of the gaps, etc etc.
>When science gets a definite answer you don't like will God flee into another, deeper, darker gap?
Can Science(TM) prove that an infinite regress of contingent facts is logical? Fuck no.

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>>48036110
And the male g-spot is naturally found in the ass? so what?

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>>48037484
> God isn't bound or limited by time. He's fully actualized, unchangeable, and omnipresent at all moments of history simultaneously. From the perspective of God, there would be no "before."
how do you know this?
how do you know what the creator of the entire universe is like?
Thiests can make all the sophist arguments they want but can never actually answer this simple question that destroys their arrogant claim to know something so unknowable. Because of course the only actual answer is
>I know because muh holy book told me so and/or muh mommy and daddy raised me to think so
that's all it comes down to in the end. You don't really know anything.

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>>48037844
>>48037820
I'm from the gay side (not faggot like sea)

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>enter Indog thread
>it's all /pol/tards who are probably too young to be on 4chan
sasuga

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>>48035282
BASED

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>>48036113
>Except this part of the universe is not

Not what he said. God is OUTSIDE the universe, and therefore not bound by it.

>religious bullshitery, which is by definition unprovable and untestable

Then prove there isn’t a god. Obviously you can’t, that’s not how philosophy works

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>>48036963
>spreading uncurable disease
Still does curable and incurable ones. They honestly are a drain on the system and still bitch about self caused problems
>wasting your bloodline
Still a problem
>no, the modern atheists want to (correctly) credit the secular intellectuals and scientists of the past with the advancements they made, regardless of whether those people were religious (e.g. Isaac Newton was religious and an alchemist)
>no man they werent REALLY religious
Wanting to have the cake and eat it too. Dont even try hiding your greed lmao
>it wasn't religious by law and religion
The doctrine was followed and enforced by most people regardless. There were even laws against sodomy and other degenerate behaviour
>this doesn't somehow retroactively make spiritual worship better or more preferable, it just means the common person is an unintelligent slave to whatever culture they find themselves in
It really does. At least the old practices do not promote the destruction of self, family, comunity etc

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Why such a long thread for this? Are you really so jealous that other guys get dicks and you don't? Don't be so tsundere, homophobic anon, you can have it too.

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>>48037988
>How is it an arbitrary definition? Answer honestly: is a penis meant for a vagina or not? Don't assume a contrarian position because of pride, be fucking sincere. Your own reason and logic tells you that it *is.*

And the male position of the g-spot is in the ass, natural is literally arbitrary in this frame of reference because you're defining it off of what you believe is the default state of existence. The penis was not "made" for the vagina, it was made as a secondary waste disposal unit that also carries semen. If the sole natural purpose of a penis was to impregnate a women why would you need to piss from it?
Why are women able to get pregnant from things like invitro fertilization? why doesn't the pussy just absorb the semen into the walls?

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>>48037573
>spreading STDs and STIs in record numbers
Do faggots really?

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>>48037988
>...I didn't? God isn't a contingent fact, he's a necessary being.
Once again if you assume that there needs to be something before the universe that caused it why is it a "being"?
>Who's to say you aren't devolving into a "science of the gaps" argument?
Because science does not pretend to have all the answers. Science is full of gaps and as you fill them in smaller gaps in there keep being found.
You are the one trying to say "Science hasn't found out why X is, X must be God!" It's been done before and every time science finds out they just move the goal posts to some other thing science hasn't figured out yet.

Oh and nice going saying
>Less drag queen novels, more grammar books, amerimutt.
Right after saying
>And heeeere comes the ad hominem attacks.
Real consistent btw.

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>>48038350
Not as much as your oshi does

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>>48036113
Being an atheist requires just as much blind faith as being a theist does. Checkmate.

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>>48038155
>Prove something that's specifically defined to be unprovable, by moving the goal posts if necessary, doesn't exist!
>I can't, by definition
>Ha, so it exists then!

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>>48038207
>>48031105

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>>48004689
>LGHDTV
kek

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>>48038022
>how do you know this?
Because God created time. Even spacetime is contingent.
>how do you know what the creator of the entire universe is like?
Revealed to us in the Bible.
>that's all it comes down to in the end. You don't really know anything.
Nice red herring. Are you going to answer the argument, or are you going to concede? It's not like this shit is new or anything - Thomas Aquinas figured this shit out centuries ago, and hasn't been debunked ever. Why the fuck do you think a terminally online autist like yourself would be able to?
>>48038001
So?

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>>48037988
>How is it an arbitrary definition?
it's an arbitrary definition because you just came up with to justify what you already thought. The fact that you load what you're saying with words like 'meant' 'the penis is meant to...' proves this.
> Answer honestly: is a penis meant for a vagina or not?
It's """""""""""""meant""""""""""""" to in the sense that penis evolved to do that, yes, but they also evolved to piss at the same time too. There's no reason why both functions needed to occupy the same organ. If nature wasn't blind and there was actually someone at the steering wheel, reproductive organs wouldn't be needlessly placed right near/be the same part of where contaminated waste is excreted.
Furthermore, just because something evolved for one specific purpose doesn't mean it can't be used for other things or that nature gives a fuck whether it is or not or that doing this is bad somehow e.g. chimps also masturbate too. Why aren't you also arguing that masturbation is wrong because 'a penis should strictly only be used for the one purpose of going into a vagina?' What about oral sex? Is it morally wrong for a woman to give you a blowjob because it's 'unnatural?' What about literally every other sex position between a man and a woman that isn't just 'penis in vagina?' Are they all morally wrong too?

This is why I said your defintion is arbitrarily, because you have already loaded moral assumptions into your defintion of what is natural and presupposed that a penis is only meant to go into a vagine just because you say so.

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>>48038437
Only mouth breathing tards think not believing in something that is not shown to exist requires faith.

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>>48014193
Kek, that “canceled” really makes it

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>>48037988
You're going to have to give us a comprehensive definition of what you define as "natural" if we are to have this conversation.

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>>48038187
>Still does curable and incurable ones. They honestly are a drain on the system and still bitch about self caused problems
There are more heterosexual people suffering from STD's than homosexual people just based on numbers alone.
>Still a problem
Nah, we have surrogacy and soon to have artificial wombs in like 10 more years. Humanity was saved from population decline by the time we discovered penicillin.
>Wanting to have the cake and eat it too. Dont even try hiding your greed lmao
Incoherent babble, the old kingdoms would have indogs murdered in the name of the god and kept slavery around. Just because someone did it first doesn't mean they are inherently better you stupid fuck.
>The doctrine was followed and enforced by most people regardless. There were even laws against sodomy and other degenerate behaviour
There were laws that mandated slavery, means nothing.
>It really does. At least the old practices do not promote the destruction of self, family, comunity etc
Spirituality is fine, dogmatic adherence to circular reasoning and presuppositional logic is cuckshit. God isn't real but that doesn't mean you can't have faith in your belief.
You simply cannot dictate laws based off a belief that is not founded in logical thought.

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>>48038022
https://apologetics315.com/2012/06/c-s-lewis-on-reasoning-to-atheism/

Your claim of there being no god is then just as arrogant and unknowable. Please think even just a little

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>>48038491
So if it's not natural to stick anything in there why is the g-spot there?

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Do you guys like vtubers?

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>>48038437
No it doesn't, if I hear someone knocking on my door, and I say "Oh I don't know who that might be I should be careful" and you say "YEAH NO YOU HAVE TO 100% BE CAREFUL THERE IS A GUY WITH A GUN BEHIND THAT DOOR" do you realize how retarded you sound?

Theist literally say the stupidest shit and then go "UM YOU LITERALLY CAN'T EXPLAIN ONE OF THE BIGGEST MYSTERIES OF THE UNIVERSE I WIN!" like it's some retarded gotcha.

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>>48038510
I have never seen a black swan so clearly they don't exist

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>>48038510
>whether god exists or not is unknown
>theists have faith he exists but can't prove it
>atheists have faith he doesn't exist but can't prove it
Atheists are just theists in denial kek

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>>48038592
see >>48038731 god isn't provable through science so it's 100% faith based, this means it is not a rational system of thought, which means it is not suitable for a body whose duty it is to fairly dispense laws based on logic and rational reasoning.

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>>48038651
no

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>>48038592
Jesus christ what the hell was that incoherent babble?
That retard should have stuck to writing shitty christian-fanfiction children's books and getting btfo by Tolkien.
His philosophy is fucking trash.

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>>48038491
>Because God created time. Even spacetime is contingent.
how do you know this?
>Revealed to us in the Bible
and there it is, just like I said.
How do you know the bible is truthful? How do you know it's the word of god? how do you know it's not just some random book?
I'll tell you what your answer is:
because the bible says the bible is the word of god. It's just circular and illogical. You don't have a good reason to believe, you have no evidence. You already believed before thinking about any of it (most likely because you were brought up this way) and simply retroactively justified all of your already held beliefs with these circular bullshit sophistry arguments.
Your only response to this will be either to just repeat the same circular bullshit ad nauseum or you will just retreat into comforting yourself with ad hominem arguments to feel better
>well... they're all factually wrong because they're bad people!
there is no other actual answer because god and religious belief is unprovable and most likely don't fucking exist.

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>>48038839
CS unironically thought using "therefore" made whatever he was talking about philosophy

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>>48038565
>There are more heterosexual people suffering from STD's than homosexual people just based on numbers alone.
Was talking about rates. We will see how the raw numbers rise with the promotion of faggotry and the corruption of youth
>Nah, we have surrogacy and soon to have artificial wombs in like 10 more years. Humanity was saved from population decline by the time we discovered penicillin.
I fucking wish. At least in the west the feminists and other leftists will complain about it and try to get it banned
>There were laws that mandated slavery, means nothing
You bitched about the legal argument and I argued about that side being covered
>Spirituality is fine, dogmatic adherence to circular reasoning and presuppositional logic is cuckshit. God isn't real but that doesn't mean you can't have faith in your belief.
You simply cannot dictate laws based off a belief that is not founded in logical thought.
If they have positive results I argue in favor of it

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>>48038773
Not knowing if something exists or not and being sure of its existence are completely different things.
If you were an agnostic theist then there would be no problem.
Trying to pretend your brand of stone-age literature, or medieval literature mascaraing as stone-age literature, is actually the ultimate truth about unprovable fact of the universe is so fucking dumb.

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>>48038449
I’m saying that you don’t PROVE philosophy

Same way I can’t “prove” morality

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>>48038353
>Once again if you assume that there needs to be something before the universe that caused it why is it a "being"?
Because an intellectual mind and will are necessary to bring something into existence.
>Because science does not pretend to have all the answers. Science is full of gaps and as you fill them in smaller gaps in there keep being found.
Does Science(TM) know definitively and infallibly that only Science(TM) can fully explain reality?
>You are the one trying to say "Science hasn't found out why X is, X must be God!" It's been done before and every time science finds out they just move the goal posts to some other thing science hasn't figured out yet.
How can Science answer whether an infinite regress is possible or not? Either the universe is eternal, or it isn't.

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>>48038818
>"Oh I don't know who that might be I should be careful"

Except you literally aren’t fucking saying that. You hear the knock on the door and say “actually there wasn’t even a knock, and I’m insanely intelligent for realizing this”

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>>48038942
>Was talking about rates. We will see how the raw numbers rise with the promotion of faggotry and the corruption of youth
No we won't simply because sex ed and safe sex practices by in large decrease the chance for sexual transmitted disease.
The same way sex ed reduces the incidence of childhood pregnancies.
>I fucking wish. At least in the west the feminists and other leftists will complain about it and try to get it banned
Nah in fact most of the scientist pushing for artificial wombs and surrogacy are secular leftist.
>If they have positive results I argue in favor of it
Sure but are those positive results solely caused by the totality of the system? no. Aspects might give the same results such as Christian communities and just being involved with a community and culture.
That still has nothing to do with trying to dictate governmental policy based on illogical dogma from a book that say the earth is 6000 years old despite carbon dating telling us it isn't.

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>>48037484
>God isn't bound or limited by time. He's fully actualized, unchangeable, and omnipresent at all moments of history simultaneously. From the perspective of God, there would be no "before." Do you understand now?
Yes, I understand that you have a theoretical concept that makes no sense and according to you does not exists as part of the real world. It's less than a phantasy, because a phantasy would have to at least be plausible.
Christians say weird shit that just simply makes no sense all the time, like "God is unknowable" - if something was unknowable, you couldn't possibly know that it is.

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>>48004976
Said by someone not from Indonesia

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>>48039065
>Because an intellectual mind and will are necessary to bring something into existence.
no they're not.
how do you know this?
>How can Science answer whether an infinite regress is possible or not?
if a unified theory of the universe comes along that mathematically checks out and makes predictions about cosmology that are all consistently observed then we'll know. Either that or some new discovery of something decades from now will prove it e.g. something detected from pre-Big Bang that shows the universe existed beforehand in a similar state to the predicted end of the universe.
Until then, infinite regress is just a hypothesis - but god is no better a hypothesis and is more logically inconsistent and unprovable, therefore a worse explanation and less likely.

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>>48039250
No you retard that is literally your statement, you are attributing something completely different to the knock on the door and saying it is 100% a gun.
You believe that because the universe exists, that with 100% confidence it must follow that god is real and created.

Do you realize how retarded your jump in logic is? we are both perceiving knocks, you simply think the knock is a giant faggot in a huge silk robe that is delivering 10 million virgins unto you.

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>>48038839
Illiterate. Unlucky

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>>48038848
>how do you know this?
Because spacetime isn't infinite.
>How do you know the bible is truthful? How do you know it's the word of god? how do you know it's not just some random book?
Many reasons. Too many to explain. But this is just a digression; the original debate is to prove whether God exists, not specifically the Triune Christian God.
>>48038612
>So if it's not natural to stick anything in there why is the g-spot there?
Why are you assuming that the g-spot is meant to be stimulated?

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>>48039446
Why are you assuming it isn't?

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>>48034223
The Weimar Republic collapsed, France is on it's 5th try at a republic and it's teetering on the brink, several central and south american democracies collapsed, you seriously need to dilate if you think liberal democracies have such a good track record.

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>>48039065
>Because an intellectual mind and will are necessary to bring something into existence.
Not only is this false but intellectual minds and wills are products of this universe. What came before is by necessity not going to be that.
You are trying to put human organization on something that exists outside of all human knowledge.

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>>48039385
>Do you realize how retarded your jump in logic is? we are both perceiving knocks, you simply think the knock is a giant faggot in a huge silk robe that is delivering 10 million virgins unto you.

And hominem. And I’m Christian.

We are both going to die, and then that door gets opened whether we like it or not. Saying “I don’t know“ till the grave is the stupidest thing I can think of

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>>48039281
>Yes, I understand that you have a theoretical concept that makes no sense
>appeal to incredulity
>no argument
>something can come out of nothing b-because... I-IT JUST CAN, OKAY?!
D TO THE BOONKED.
>>48039371
>no they're not.
Explain why it's not necessary.
>if a unified theory of the universe comes along that mathematically checks out and makes predictions about cosmology that are all consistently observed then we'll know.
Science of the gaps fallacy. Why do you put your faith in science, and not in the God as revealed in the Lord Jesus Christ? Are you HONESTLY more enamored by the idea of eternal oblivion rather than eternal life? What kind of masochist are you?

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>>48039255
>No we won't simply because sex ed and safe sex practices by in large decrease the chance for sexual transmitted disease
Are you for real? Too many faggots refuse to use protection which resulted in the current STD crisis
>Nah in fact most of the scientist pushing for artificial wombs and surrogacy are secular leftist
Again with the delusion. Who the fuck always complains when anything threatens womens advantages? Leftist
>Sure but are those positive results solely caused by the totality of the system? no. Aspects might give the same results such as Christian communities and just being involved with a community and culture.
That still has nothing to do with trying to dictate governmental policy based on illogical dogma from a book that say the earth is 6000 years old despite carbon dating telling us it isn't.
Everything worked fine until a couple of decades ago. Sure there were ups and downs but it was better than it is now

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>>48038993
>Not knowing if something exists or not and being sure of its existence are completely different things.
Sure
>If you were an agnostic theist then there would be no problem.
What is this "agnostic theist" cope. It's just agnostic. Religious people are correct when they say atheists also need faith because there is no proof of the nonexistence of god just as there is no proof of god's existence. Agnosticism is the only rational position.
>Trying to pretend your brand of stone-age literature, or medieval literature mascaraing as stone-age literature, is actually the ultimate truth about unprovable fact of the universe is so fucking dumb.
Remind me what age philosophers like Socrates was from again?

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>>48039446
>Because spacetime isn't infinite.
how do you know?
>Many reasons. Too many to explain
lol

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>>48039719
>no argument
Okay I'll give you an argument. Actually, your god was created by my god who is double-timeless and double-omnipresent. Turns out making up meaningless garbage like you is easy.

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>>48039662
>AND Hominem
>Realize how close my hypothetical is to making you look stupid
>Start making appeals to fear of death.
This is all you people have at the end of the day, you speak of religion and spirituality with love and compassion but you're just scared, if you want to believe some faggot in a silk robe is waiting for you with 100% certainty go for it. I don't give a shit what you do in your personal life.
Just stop trying to apply your retarded morals based off of a fantasy book some sandnig claimed god told him to policy that exists in the here and now.
I don't care about your preaching keep that shit to yourself and your family.

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>>48039493
Who said I'm assuming anything?
>>48039516
>Not only is this false but intellectual minds and wills are products of this universe.
How is it false? How can a Necessary Being/Prime Mover effect creation without having a mind and a will? Were it not so, it's basically the same as saying the universe brought itself into creation, which I've already enumerated many reasons as to why this wouldn't be logically feasible.

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>>48039928
>how do you know?
Big Bang Cosmology informs me that spacetime emerged from a singularity and that it's currently expanding. But even beyond all this, an infinite regress is simply impossible for reasons I've enumerated way above ITT.

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>>48040065
I can assure you I’m not scared of death. I’ve some idea what comes after; you, however do not, and claim that wanting to know is retarded.

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Am I still on /vt/?

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>>48039497
>The Weimar Republic collapsed
because the country was devastated after the first world war and there was serious wealth inequality and it was being sanctioned by the allied countries, yes. The collapse had nothing to do with cultural reasons and all of the 'degenerate' behaviors were only among the upper class.
> France is on it's 5th try at a republic and it's teetering on the brink
regular protests aren't 'teetering on the brink.'
> south american democracies collapsed
because they weren't democracies, south america has been filled with cartel control, corruption and violent states for a long time.
America hasn't collapsed despite its political instabiltiy and even having a civil war, the UK still exists, all of the nordic countries are fine, western europe is fine.
Of course none of these countries are truly liberal or free but that's neither here nor there. Compared to authoritarian (and especially theocratic) countries, the outcomes are clearly better.

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>>48040022
>Okay I'll give you an argument. Actually, your god was created by my god who is double-timeless and double-omnipresent. Turns out making up meaningless garbage like you is easy.
Proof?

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>>48039924
The difference between agnostic theist and agnostic atheist are their starting assumptions. One thinks there is/are God(s) but cannot prove it and one thinks there aren't and cannot prove it.
Both positions are valid, be definition, since proof one way or the other does not exist.
Strict atheists do require faith like strict theists but much, much less since all you have to believe is something that's not provable does not exist while theists have to believe a very specific, and usually contradictory, unprovable thing exists.

You have to have faith in both believing and not-believing that a small teapot is in orbit around the sun between us and mars. But it does not take the same amount to believe in both.

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>>48039775
>Are you for real? Too many faggots refuse to use protection which resulted in the current STD crisis
Monkey pox is literally not an STD, it spreads through physical contact and through lesions or cuts.
The ground zero was also a fucking moshpit orgy fest full of europoors, should we judge all straight people by the STD rates in brazil? or some other nigger country?
Also has nothing to do with the fact that sex ed does decrease incidence of STD's in youths and youth pregnancy.
>Again with the delusion. Who the fuck always complains when anything threatens womens advantages? Leftist
The right is literally manning an entire campaign against trannies based off of the sacredness of women having wombs kek.
>Everything worked fine until a couple of decades ago. Sure there were ups and downs but it was better than it is now
No it didn't the fact that you think that shows you're a retarded boomer, we are literally living in an age where human life expectancy is doubled and child mortality rates are at their lowest.

This is unironically peak human abundance kek.

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>>48040450
This book I have here, it's called the Fibel. It details the history of miracles that have happened 5000 years ago (for real, just trust me bro).

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>>48040120
>How can a Necessary Being/Prime Mover effect creation without having a mind and a will?
Because it's not necessary? How does water from complex geometric structures when it freezes without a mind or a will?
>it's basically the same as saying the universe brought itself into creation, which I've already enumerated many reasons as to why this wouldn't be logically feasible.
All you reasons are "They came to me a in a dream".
You keep going on about how it's completely necessary to have a precursor to the universe which we would not be able to know or understand and then in the same breath go on about how you know various details about how this precursor must function and what qualities they must have.

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wtf is happening is just some indog kid saying that LGBT is bad

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>>48040405
>Wanting to know
You don't "want" to know anything you just blindly believe that god is real because of the epistemic beliefs of Christianity.
Your belief system literally presupposes god, there is no "Well I just wanna know the truth" you already believe with 100% certainty a magic man made the universe.
Which is fine if you want to believe it, just stop acting like it's the same as being agnostic atheist or like there is non-zero faith based reasons for you believing that.

There's nothing wrong with having faith in something personal, even if I think it's retarded and illogical, lots of things are illogical.

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>>48039719
>Explain why it's not necessary.
because we can already observe matter forming and changing state all the time in nature. Furtehrmore you're asking me to somehow prove a negative which is stupid. You're the one making the additional claim that needs proving.
>Science of the gaps fallacy
did you miss the part where I said
> but god is no better a hypothesis and is more logically inconsistent and unprovable, therefore a worse explanation and less likely

> Are you HONESTLY more enamored by the idea of eternal oblivion rather than eternal life? What kind of masochist are you?
You think I believe what I believe because it makes me feel good? That's very telling and reveals your entire thought process.
I don't believe that when I die I'm just going to go out of existence and that the universe is meaningless and things like morals aren't real because it makes me feel good - I believe it because I think it's true, even if it is fucking terrifying to me.

The difference between you and me is that you only believe things that are good for you regardless of how true it actually is whereas I'm too intelligent and rational to do that. I fucking wish it was true that there was an afterlife and a meaning to anything but I can't just logic my way into thinking this to make myself feel better when I know it's illogical and unlikely.
You're actually right that a lot of athiests actually will do the cringe coping 'muh optimistic nihilism' shit where they pretend a godless universe is more fulfilling somehow but unlike them - and you - I'm actually honest.

I don't think life is meaningless suffering because it makes me feel good somehow, I think life is meaningless suffering because it is. I'm not here to try to improve your life by defeating your illogical arguments, I have come to spread misery.

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>>48040440
Talk about moving the goal posts. Yes, bad situations happen that can try a nation, but it's clear that your assertion that liberal democracies haven't crumbled is clearly false.

America has had laws based on the Christian religion for most of it's existence, and it has thrived because of it. As John Adams said, “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” It's why our country has started regressing since turning away from the Christian religion.

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>>48040560
Monkey pox is literally not an STD, it spreads through physical contact and through lesions or cuts.
The ground zero was also a fucking moshpit orgy fest full of europoors, should we judge all straight people by the STD rates in brazil? or some other nigger country?
Also has nothing to do with the fact that sex ed does decrease incidence of STD's in youths and youth pregnancy.
Going for le moneky illness instead of the usual ones lol. Also,
>it wasnt a fag disease
>ok maybe it was but straight people in nigger tier countries tho
Lmao get a grip
>The right is literally manning an entire campaign against trannies based off of the sacredness of women having wombs kek.
They are just using the women as a shield wall which is good. We need to use the leftist tactics. Also, its more about the imposibility to convert one sex to another but still
>No it didn't the fact that you think that shows you're a retarded boomer, we are literally living in an age where human life expectancy is doubled and child mortality rates are at their lowest.
This is unironically peak human abundance kek.
And you bitches still complain about everything kek. It really says more about your side

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>>48040709
>Because it's not necessary? How does water from complex geometric structures when it freezes without a mind or a will?
Are you high? The water isn't consciously making the decision to freeze. Something CAUSES it to freeze, like cold temperature. There is nothing that would cause the Uncaused Cause to create because it is in itself UNCAUSED.

Are you going to convert to Christianity now? Preferably Catholic, please.
>>48040608
When did I invoke the Bible as my proof? Have you not been listening this entire time, redditheist? Stop with the insincerities and just admit you lost. Come to Christ, little lamb.

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>>48041146
>Lmao get a grip
It's literally not an STD lmao, like what did you even mean by this? do you think implying I'm saying something I'm not just makes you win the argument?
>They are just using the women as a shield wall which is good. We need to use the leftist tactics. Also, its more about the imposibility to convert one sex to another but still
Ah "when our side does it it isn't honest bro it's just a meme" okay tranny.
>And you bitches still complain about everything kek. It really says more about your side
Whataboutism? really? not even a thought out argument when proven wrong? just "UM BUT THE LEFT DOES" like damn man you're not even giving me much reason to reply.

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>>48041270
NTA but how do you know it's specifically the christian god? there are like fifty fucking different religions all with different versions of god.

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thanks guys, this is my first 300+ replies post,
i feel so powerful now.

t. op

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>>48041386
He is the only one presented as before time, matter, energy, universe, etc. The other gods are all subject to these things.

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>>48040454
Everything you wrote is a gigantic cope invented by atheists because they couldn't handle being rationally inferior to agnostics so they made that cope to force agnostics into a position.

There is no starting position, there never was a need for a starting position. Just as the answer to god actually existing is "I don't know", the answer to the teapot is also "I don't know", until a method of exhaustively searching all space between earth and mars is possible.

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>>48041476
No he's not, both allah, the titans, and other gods are depicted as such.

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>>48041270
Does cold temperature have a mind or a will?
Okay some force CAUSED the universe to be created from nothing.
There is ZERO evidence that that something has
a) a mind
b) a purpose
c) any kind of agenda
d) A strict belief and adherence to rules and behaviors that are also conveniently aligned with some dirt farmers two millennia ago

If you want to believe in some higher power as an agnostic theist, good for you.
The moment you try to buy into some specific organized religion as though it's not just a cult makes you an idiot.

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>>48040985
>because we can already observe matter forming and changing state all the time in nature.
Not by themselves, no. Matter changes state due to external causes. False equivalency.
> Furtehrmore you're asking me to somehow prove a negative which is stupid. You're the one making the additional claim that needs proving.
What? I told you that a mind and will was necessary for a Prime Mover to effect creation. You said, "no they're not." So explain to me why it's not.
>did you miss the part where I said: but god is no better a hypothesis and is more logically inconsistent and unprovable, therefore a worse explanation and less likely
How is God "more logically inconsistent?" Prove it.
>I don't think life is meaningless suffering because it makes me feel good somehow, I think life is meaningless suffering because it is. I'm not here to try to improve your life by defeating your illogical arguments, I have come to spread misery.
And I have come to give you hope. Eternal happiness and bliss with the God who created you to be His companion awaits you.

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>>48041523
Okay but if I told you that the teapot would punish you at some undetermined point in the future unless you stood on your head for 10 minutes every day would you do it?

Remember you can't prove that it wont.

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>>48041711
Fucking kek, I love this one.

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>>48041298
>It's literally not an STD lmao, like what did you even mean by this? do you think implying I'm saying something I'm not just makes you win the argument?
You were the one who brought it up instead of using the usual ones. And even when its something thats not supposed to be an STD the fags still carry the rates lmao
>the rest
It was tried and it didnt work. You cant play nice with leftists and expect it to work. Time to use their own strats to defeat them

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>>48040120
You just said it isn't natural to be gay? but the g-spot is there, so are you assuming it isn't natural to stimulate it?

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>>48041816
It's just so we can poop with pleasure anon

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>>48041804
AIDS? Because anyone can get AIDS retard so it literally isn't a GAY disease because not only gay people get it. You can get aids if you have sex with a woman.
Herpes? also not a gay only STD.
>It was tried and it didnt work. You cant play nice with leftists and expect it to work. Time to use their own strats to defeat them
You're just wrong on all accounts, we are literally in the age of abundance for humanity.

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>>48041873
Are you assuming that? or do you orgasm when you shit?

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>>48041711
I'd be open to the idea, but on account of Occam's razor and my laziness, I wouldn't until the punishment manifested. This is very basic legalism btw.

>>48041746
Another coper

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>>48041386
>NTA but how do you know it's specifically the christian god? there are like fifty fucking different religions all with different versions of god.
Depends on what these religions claim about God. Most of the time, what these religions quantify as "God" is nothing like how we Christians would do so, so polytheism strikes out in that regard (which comprises the bulk of these thousands of religions).
>>48041585
>Does cold temperature have a mind or a will?
No.
>Okay some force CAUSED the universe to be created from nothing.
>There is ZERO evidence that that something has
>a) a mind
>b) a purpose
>c) any kind of agenda
>d) A strict belief and adherence to rules and behaviors that are also conveniently aligned with some dirt farmers two millennia ago
I'll just ignore D. Can you prove that it's possible for this "force" to bring the universe into existence from non-existence without a mind and a will?

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>>48042016
>I'd be open to the idea, but on account of Occam's razor and my laziness, I wouldn't until the punishment manifested.
That's the average agnostic's position on all the world religions' laws.
Except for some replace "laziness" with "basic humanity and respect for others".

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All I've read so far is "I've made this thing up that defies logic, you can't disprove it since it's nonsense in the first place, I win atheists lose."
Sorry, but that won't do. You can't just invent a thing that defies physical reality and expect to be taken seriously.

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>>48041919
>AIDS? Because anyone can get AIDS retard so it literally isn't a GAY disease because not only gay people get it. You can get aids if you have sex with a woman.
Herpes? also not a gay only STD.
Did you forget the original point? I wasnt arguing about a disease that only affects homos lmao. If you are being disingenuous stop replying its that simple
>You're just wrong on all accounts, we are literally in the age of abundance for humanity.
In spite of faggots and everything lefties do to subvert the system

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>atheists believe that the complexity of everything, natural laws and universal constants came from nothing for no reason and not from a superior intelligent programmer
yikes

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>>48042195
>Can you prove that it's possible for this "force" to bring the universe into existence from non-existence without a mind and a will?
Can you prove that it's not?

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Wow it's like I'm back at early 2000s atheist forums, this time with more chromosomes.

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>>48040931
You make a lot of claims about me despite not knowing anything about me at all.

>Your belief system literally presupposes god

You typing at your computer presupposes it’ll work. Every worldview presupposes other humans perceive in the same way, which technically can’t be proven. Presuppositions are the basis for any sort of philosophical thought

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>>48042230
>Theist believe that some magic man is always watching them shit and gets angry at them if they jack off
yikes.

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>>48041816
>You just said it isn't natural to be gay? but the g-spot is there, so are you assuming it isn't natural to stimulate it?
I'm asking you why you think this "g-spot's" intended purpose is to be stimulated, and not for some other reason.

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>>48042314
>You typing at your computer presupposes it’ll work.
No. No it doesn't electricity presupposes it will work, the complex systems that were created based on observable phenomenon makes it so it works.
Things we can reproduce in science, not fake shit that is not reproducible.

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>>48042345
>angry at them if they jack off
Pathetic coomer.

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>>48042395
Why do you believe it isn't? you just said that it exists to make poops feel good, but when stimulated it makes you cum. Do you cum while you shit? is that why you assume that?

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>>48041083
>America has had laws based on the Christian religion for most of it's existence, and it has thrived because of it. As John Adams said, “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” It's why our country has started regressing since turning away from the Christian religion.
KEK yeah sure thing, Milo

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>>48042408
>God will send you to hell if you jack off or drink beer
Mashallah.