/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>Kronii's merch numbers are fake and gay, she's doing fine and they are actually selling pretty we-

[Anonymous No.]

How are Kronii's merch sales the worst in EN? How has it come to this? It would be one thing to say that they manufactured more merch than necessary, thinking it kronii stuff would sell like hotcakes. But isn't the case because it's made to order.

[Anonymous No.]

>monkey is lacking reading comprehension

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>>47728246
Unfortunately condescending bitches are a thing...

[Anonymous No.]

Unironically where did the numbers being passed around come from? Everytime I ask it gets ignored or deflected.
I can make up a whole bunch of numbers and present it nicely and spam it until it's taken as fact, until someone provides a link or source for these claims.

[Anonymous No.]

Everyone's merch sales are taking hits. Otherwise they wouldn't be mentioning the exorbitant shipping fees.

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>>47728319
You can do that if you want, doesn't change the fact that Kronii herself is being whipped by Cover to shill her merch cause its not selling enough by their standards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728319
Not the anons spreading it but according to them there was a loophole on the site itself that allowed them to extract the numbers or whatever. That's what they say the numbers come from anyway, up to you whether you believe them or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728319
shhh, you're disrupting the narrative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728471
Its not a narrative bro when Cover is extending the deadline and even pushing Kronii to shill her merch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728319
Cover website coders are retarded and left the stock quantities in plain text on the source of the merch page. This isn’t even the first time they did it, they did the same thing last year around Bae’s bday.

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>>47728319

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>>47728356
the delay is for kronii only tho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728356
Everyone not in Japan bitches about Japanese shipping jewery and the only reason people in Japan don't bitch about it is fear of lawsuits and forced circumcision by the Nippon Zionist shipping cabal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728619
>stock quantities
>made to order
Congrats on getting into special ed!

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728471
>narrative
>Only time in hololive history that the deadline was extended and someone was asked to shill their merch harder
In B4, "BUT SHE WAS ON HIATUS"-cope. Gura, Ayame, Shion and Aqua come back just to announce merch and their shit is sold in within minutes.
Homobeggars don't buy shit and only watch clips and upvote shit on reddit. If you pander to them you'll need to look for a second job to pay the bills. Simple as.

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>>47728958
Oh so they extended the deadline for shit and giggles? Makes perfect sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728587
Consider the fact that she was gone after her birthday for surgery and was unable to shill on stream for the entire month

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>>47729018
>>47729028

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>>47728319
Why ask for the source on unfounded rrats on 4chan when you can just watch the streamer apologize live to their manager instead?
If anyone knows whether or not Kronii's merch sales are shit, it would be Kronii and her manager, no?

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>>47729018
Shhh let him cope with his retardation.

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>>47728958
Retard, they still have an internal quantity regardless of being made to order. They set their quantity to 100000 for made to order items (including voice packs). If it weren’t for them fixing their shopping cart you would still be able to tell stock quantities because it used to be tied to that big number as well instead of being allowed to add an unlimited quantity.

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>>47729028
>>47729077
Cope harder retard. Gura, Shion, Ayame and Aqua come back for one stream just to announce merch then fuck off for months and they never had to extend the sale period for them.

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>>47728958
They need a minimum amount of orders before they can produce those kinds of merch lest its a waste of resources and space for some other product to be made. Do you think they will greenlight production of plushies just for 10 orders?

[Anonymous No.]

Does she have another job?

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>>47729209
Is being depressed a job?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47729209
she has been in a bunch of visual novels as a va seems to be doing fine.

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>>47728246
Homo collabs. But it's not just homo collabs that put her here. It's the fact she offers absolutly nothing except being Vesper onahole.
Bae can sell because she offers many different types of content and homo collabs are spare in amount.
Mori can sell because she know more as musicial than streamer.
What's Kronii strength? She killed depressed GFE part with homo collabs. She killed Kronmei with her comments. She is lacking direction, lacking connections. She's a blank page as streamer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728246
only unicorns buy merch

[Anonymous No.]

Please Buy my wife's merch.

[Anonymous No.]

Cover needs to hire some consultant to fix this shipping thing. It is death for this revenue source.

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>>47727633
Disrespecting your most dedicated fans worsens sales. More news at 10.

[Anonymous No.]

If we actually take the "break" excuse to face value, doesn't that just make Kronies be so pathetic that Kronii not having a stream for weeks is enough for them to just "forget" to buy her merch? That Cover and Kronii have to actually remind them about it after she was already been back for 2 weeks now?

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>>47727633
I haven't even received my Boros plush and I can't wait to get rid of it already after the shit she pulled last year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47727633
Fortunately, idol culture is a thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>47730170
She wasn’t even on break during the last two weeks of her merch run. She came back from post-surgery to shill her merch and then went on break again.
First and last day are the most important for sales but Kronii decided she didn’t feel like streaming on the final day of sales.

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>>47729086
She never said why she was apologising

[Anonymous No.]

>>47729086
she was apologizing for missing a deadline for a project that was due the day before and that she promised she would do after the stream.

The entire thing was a bit in which she exaggerated how sorry she was and begged her manager who responded by saying its okay

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>>47729461
So it's that she prioritizes that over her hololive deadlines?

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe they'd sell more merch if they fixed the fucking shipping options. I ain't buying some $120 pack then paying another $70-150 to ship it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47731819
nah kronii is just the kindah person who does everything last minute.

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>>47729545
I still don’t know why acknowledging that you like the Magni/Vesper/Mori/Kronii collabs is considered homobegging /here/. Those are Mori’s and Kronii’s best content, which is not a compliment. And those collabs have rarity buff (it might as well be like a mini version of Niji’s event buffs).
The only good content Kronii has is shit that appeals to tourists and normalfags like me. She’s funny when she’s with Tempus. There, I said it. But I’m the kind of tourist who’s not going to fucking buy merch that costs more in shipping than the item itself.

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>>47728246
unironicaly the answer is homocollabs, the type of people who care enough to buy merch are always gonna be a little parasocial, and she told her parasocial fans to fuck off

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>>47728858
fucking retard, shipping costs are completely out of their control. you should be complaining about the product prices instead.
and you should never be buying things abroad unless you are buying in bulk or as part of a larger order

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>>47732438
Because a lot of homobeggars are like this. They'll use those collabs to shit on the "parasocial" fans, the types of people who are wiling to go the extra mile/pay for their oshi, causing these people to either leave for someone else or stop being "parasocial".

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>>47727633
>parasocial incel chud who sit in their moms basement dont buy a lot of merch
>more news at 11

Gee, Kronii. Just do it like Pomu, Fauna and Mumei and get some normal fans. Not the crazy schizos.

[Anonymous No.]

The absurd shipping is fucking EN over. You can't expect someone to pay 70 dollars in merch and then tack on fucking 90 dollars in shipping.

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>>47728246
The 2022 birthday merch was so much better
>sex bodypillow by Wada Arco
>booba mousepad
>plushie
I almost ordered it even though I'm not a kronie.

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>>47729545
>>47729813
>>47733134
Explain Towa

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728319

view-source:https://web.archive.org/web/20230329063755/https://shop.hololivepro.com/products/hoshimachisuisei_bd2023-an5th

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>>47734055
For some of the sets it's over double that in shipping. Yeah you could use a proxy service and pay less but it is way easier for fans to look at the outrageous prices and just close the tab

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>>47733451
You speaking too much fact anon, you might as well get ban.

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>>47729545
>She killed Kronmei with her comments.
Elaborate, please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47734055
that's why Mori cracked the merch game early and both does her own merch on the rm side and has the UMG thing
both ship faster and cheaper than Cover

[Anonymous No.]

>wasn't able to shill her birthday merch for a good couple of weeks
>was transparent about why she wouldn't be able to stream for a while
>probably the worst case of getting screwed over by shipping at least on the Cover store
There's also just the simple explanation that people shitposting about merch sales are likely inventing numbers based on the fact the other girls did limited merch sets this year whereas Kronii didn't do so this year.

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>>47729176
This. The contract for the order probably has a minimum order size. Not meeting it is a loss. Kronii sells merch and loses cover money? That is awkward.
>>47733326
No. They will never have cheap shipping, but what they have now is almost the worst option. If they paid someone with knowledge to fix it, they could reduce shipping on a good number of orders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47729813
>>47736337
Honestly I think for EN the "only unicorns buy merch" thing is probably true. Only someone as fucking brain rotted as a Unicorn would pay $150 for shipping.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47729928
they've been aware of it for months. they decided not to do anything or say anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47739076
It’s really stupid considering NA makes up a huge amount of their revenue, something like $40 million last year

[Anonymous No.]

>>47733134
>the type of people who care enough to buy merch are always gonna be a little parasocial
This. If a vtuber only had casual fans than it would be hard to sell merch especially when shipping can easily double the cost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47739204
The only fans more willing to be treated like shit than US fans are the EU fans. We all know how much of their business is overseas fans, and see how they get treated. Why do they hate us?

[Anonymous No.]

Look, I get it, but What do you want cover to do? buy a plane or ship and make a post office and ship shit themselves? Have you noticed whats going on? They propably literally can't ship it any cheaper or it arrives at your place in MONTHS not at all or broken...

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>>47728246
Keep in mind that she's also the only councilrys member that didn't include a limited set featuring a handwritten autograph

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>>47736337
Getting into FPS box + organising stuff like Mario Kart tournament help her.
Male collabs don't mean end of career, but there needs to be something extra to compensate for it. Towa has it, Kronii doesn't.

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>>47739728
They can ship it more cheaply, and it already takes MONTHS to ship. It's always going to be a little expensive, but this is stupid expensive. Like cover is stupid for not finding a better shipping option.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47727633
Fkn pathethic, she barely streams and still cant keep her deadlines?!
How did this lazy bitch get into Holo??

[Anonymous No.]

>>47739728
>Takes months after ordering to ship
>Takes months to ship
I don't see the issue in delaying it a bit more.

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>>47737757
I mean when she did shill the merch her heart wasn't in it.
I think she was too busy to give real input on what the merch was and has no idea what any of it even is or why anyone would buy it.
I guess cover could get on her ass about that but they could have just postponed her birthday instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47734055
>90 dollars
Try 180 for Kronii

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>>47732438
>Those are Mori’s and Kronii’s best content, which is not a compliment
There you have it. If their best content are the rare collabs they have with the male branch and not the ones they have with their genmates/branchmates then there's something absurdly wrong going on with them. Even if some might like the collab the JP or ID girls have with the Stars or other male vtubers I rarely, if ever, see people saying they're better than the ones they have with the members of their branch, but there is this unique kind of viewer who ONLY watches those EN mixed collabs and then fuck off to nowhere since they don't watch the guys, they barely watch Mori and also apparently do fuck all to support Kronii.

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>>47740756
What the fuck how is her shipping so how?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>47740529
Nepotism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47741504
From who? And don't give me a "from Ina" just because they're both Korean-Canadians.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47727633
Thought it was only Ame

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>>47729135
4 hours and no response to this. Gura had reddit twitter and “all her members” mad at her they didn’t find the need to worry about all the merch she released

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>>47736337
Lets see, plays FPS with males and more often than not VSPO members and indies, depending on the partner and the game not even her own fanbase will watch like the CoD stream she just had
Besides that she organizes the Marika Tournament, takes part on the Minecraft events and often helps setting them up, is part of PEBOT and Startend both pretty popular groups, her lives are popular and usually invites new members each live, she was also the first to invite an ID to a 3Dlive
At the end of the day Towa offers a lot more than male collabs and has a lot of good will within the fanbase, stuff that Kronii doesnt have

[Anonymous No.]

>>47734055
>>47740756
why didn't the others have this problem? and if they had it, why didn't it ruin their sales figures?

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>>47733451
Vesperonii is unironically stupidly popular outside of /here/. Want numbers? Clip Vesperonii boom 10k views easy and no unlike what schizo think, people watching unironically find them entertaining together it has nothing to do with dunking on the "parasocial fans".

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>>47742377
and now he's gone from 3.5-4k zatsus to struggle to get 2k and she has the lowest sales figures in her gen, by far.

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>>47738845
Funny that if you count everything gura released in 30 days it might as well be a full thing. 3 figures, a bag, and a daki. Not counting shipping and taxes it already starts at $420. There’s a lot of members including jew gura who bought 2 daki, for obvious reasons. Her and pekora even beat out Miku’s figure for first/second despite holopro twitter never retweeting gura and gura herself never being told by management it was in the process of selling

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>>47729545
She messes fairly well with IRyS
>>47742360
Others have that issue as well. I know at least Fauna and IRyS have mentioned shipping costs, if no one else. It probably hurt their sales too, just not to the same extents as Kronii's since Kronii's merchs are bulky AF
(I do admit that Kronii's popularity with merch buyers / paypigs might have dropped, though, given that her voice pack didn't sell nearly as much as Fauna's either, but the shipping cost was the main culprit)

[Anonymous No.]

>>47733134
>parasocial
Every entertainer is parasocial

[Anonymous No.]

>>47742377
Is 10k views supposed to be great for a "collab" clip? Most of the girls' main clippers get 10k+ easily with solo clips

[Anonymous No.]

>>47742642
>acknowledges her popularity is what messed her voice pack sales
>b-but it wasn't the main culprit
we're not talking about a small difference, she's sold several times less than the others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47736337
Fem Kenzoku and as mentioned shipping isn't nearly as expensive.

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>>47742789
she's literally getting handouts by Cover kek. How much more would the other girls get if they enjoyed this kind of treatment.

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>>47739728
Use any other courier
Don't use the absolute highest tier shipping option. We don't need next day for a 4 month preorder.
Stop using those fucking huge ass boxes for tiny things when ems and DHL charge by volume more than weight

And the best thing they could do for usa buyers is to setup a drop shipping site in Cali so they can send the single bulk orders out in one giant crate at bulk rates then sort and ship individual packages from there using USPS flat rate boxes and bags. Just include some of the bulk crate shipping in the product cost like every single other merch seller in the us.

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>>47742360
Price is by volume. The moment I add a plushie it blows up huge

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>>47742789
Only 112 of Bae's Voice Pack were sold. Kronii's got 176. If not for shipping cost (plus the lack of 1,000 limited sets) I believe Kronii's merch sale would have been a lot more closer to Bae's

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>>47742360
Realistically buying $90 of useless crap is already a money sink and this is before the fees. The more you love your oshi the less the money matters it’s why one guy gives irys $100 before and after the stream then still bought her merch. If he misses a stream doubles up. Gura members buy every merch with her face on it 2-3 times one for perfect condition the other 2 they all but tell her is for jacking off. Her $240 figure was probably the same. Saplings are probably the same. Kfp is a small militia where members makes up a third of her stream and 80% of the people chatting. Kronii fans have a ‘healthy’ separation from her now.

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>>47728246
I mean look at OP pic. Bringing up her manager as to why she is even “trying” to shill merch. She doesn’t care, or does a good job at acting like she doesn’t care. She’s too aloof. She wouldn’t have to tell her manager that she’s trying if she’d actually tried in the first place. Same as her twitter post where she went something like “my manager told me I needed to shill” or something along those lines. Like bitch if you want to sell your merch how about you keep your managers name out of your mouth and act excited for 2 fucking minutes a stream. Also she pushed away some whales with the homocollabs

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>>47742539
Like any comedy double act they are ONLY popular together, however it will piss off unicorns and yumes(their female counterpart). So the question for them is either go double act get the numbers or keep doing what they are doing which means low numbers. i will add gunning for unicorns and yumes fans is absolutely the way to go for numbers/merch sales because lets be real only "parasocial fans" will pay stupid amounts of money for akasupas/merch, normie fans will only member/supa abit/buy merch they actually like.

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>>47731132
>has to mention manager everytime she even attempts to sell her merch
Yah I’m thinking she should be apologizing to her manager for being too good to sell her own merch. Kroni is clearly too good to be shilling. She’s just too above that kind of menial labor.

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>>47742966
Serious question do you think Gura, Ina, Marine, Pekora, or Suisei could ever be in this situation? No limited merch and high shipping fees you think they’d sell so bad cover has to step in and push them to shill more. Mind you Ina was the first member to ever have a huge shipping fees comparatively, Gura just sold a $240 figure before fees that kept number 1 or 2 for the month with her bag 2 other figures as well as a daki, Pekora sold a $1700 figure at the same time fighting gura for number 1 (both smoked miku), and Suisei/Marine usually holds the lead for rankable holomerch.

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>>47738845
People who actually want to support a holo will find a way. They'll use the other site or just use a reshipper, which still ends up being cheaper.

[Anonymous No.]

God I love seeing this bitch crash and burn. Stagnant channel growth for almost a year, no merch sales, worst casual outfit ever made, only gets out of shitter range on collabs and gigabuff games with no competition. She deserved it all for what she's done.

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>>47736337
Towa still cares about performing idol shit. And even if she's retarded when it comes to apex collabs she still shines when she plays with Botan and Pekora. She's also the face to one of the biggest yearly company wide collabs outside of HoloFes which is her Mario Kart Tourney.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47738845
150 dollars shipping plus hundreds more for some pillow and a bag or a clock? I’m a degenerate Vtuber enjoyer, but I’d rather buy copious amounts of weed and preworkout. My Oshi would understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47742966
How many for Fauna?

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>>47743328
>Serious question do you think Gura, Ina, Marine, Pekora, or Suisei could ever be in this situation
No, but Kronii is obviously not in the same league as those 5. Popularity-wise, right now she's closer to Fauna, IRyS, Ame and maybe Mumei's level. Middle or upper-middle at best, but nowhere close to the top.

[Anonymous No.]

she wanted to "break down the barriers"
but the barriers were not keeping her down. they were keeping the fans in

[Anonymous No.]

>>47743548
250+

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>>47743548
329

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>>47743073
For people that always talk shit about /#/ you’d think people would realize that they were being called out because ccv on youtube is worthless metric. Vods get ad revenue and subs get sponsors/grow vods. Ina April fools less ccv than the uno collab but more views on the vod. Gura baldi video less ccv than both of those but more views than all of them. Kronii playing minecraft solo beat it as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47743635
so way over doubling Bae's damn, thanks fellow anon

[Anonymous No.]

Let's be clear here, the sales on the HoloPro shop are incomplete because there is Geekjack that needs to be taken into account. IRyS and Bae had regular shipping prices on the holopro shop, roughly $25 while Fauna and Kronii got the worst of it, with Fauna's being $70 and Kronii's being $150.

They both got fucked. But again, because we don't have Geekjack data, we don't know HOW fucked. Because they easily could've moved over there to buy it, especially since Fauna specifically mentioned to look at all the options to see what's better because she was aware of the shipping issues in the Holopro shop, the same could not be said for Kronii.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47743681
Well, Fauna is more popular than Bae and hers was an ASMR voice pack. Bae's voice pack was just RP if I'm not wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728443
Your oshi will be doing it soon too, the JP homos tried to warn us, cover needs to fund their genshin clone somehow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47741665
Ame sold those out tho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47743328
>Gura
Highest sub buff
>Susei
Face of the music side of HoloJP
>Marine
She knows her audience and plays to it
>Pekora
Numbers bunny herself, she is one of the most viewed streamer in the world.
>Ina
Her merch usually has something that she drawn herself making it "special" in the eyes of her fans.

So no, those 5 arent likely to fall into that situation.

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>>47743798
Where do you live, anon? Because I'm pretty sure some other anon posted that IRyS's birthday set's shipping (to the US) cost was almost $100 - which is lower than Kronii, but not $125 lower.
Since you got IRyS's wrong, I'm not sure if I can trust you on Bae's or Fauna's either

[Anonymous No.]

>>47744108
America

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>>47744178
I was wrong about $150 but it's still fucking close

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>>47743606
Personally Fauna Irys Mumei to me would probably pass the minimum because their chat is obsessed with them but yea they wouldn’t be comparable either. My point is the limited merch is for the most obsessed members that want their signature but even if there is no limited they don’t stop being obsessed. Lamy had members that would buy multiple sets and throw the extra signatures away so they made it so you can only buy 1 limited but they still bought multiple sets despite only 1 containing the signature. You don’t even have to buy the full set you could just buy 2 items you like. That’s why I believe a limited wouldn’t have saved her. She’d probably struggle with fauna’s $70-90 shipping fee that people are somehow downplaying as not much

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>>47727633
Wasn't she talking about her deadline for recording stuff? Also why isn't there a timestamp instead of a screenshot?

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>>47744108

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>>47744178
>>47744229
$60 difference not a big issue. For council I can guarantee fauna mumei irys would break covers minimum. Some of them have people superchat that amount every single stream

[Anonymous No.]

It's always funny watching numberfaggots pretend to know anything at all when they post

[Anonymous No.]

>>47743650
3x Bae and 2x Kronii holy, nature is stronk

[Anonymous No.]

>>47744476
Fauna is the only En member pound for pound that has inclined.

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>>47736337
towa being male-like is no joke. women spend way more than men and she probably has one of the highest fem fan base in hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

So I'm just curious. Going by the other thread, apparently the only costly part of Kronii's birthday merch, shipping-wise, is the huge neck-pillow.
Why didn't Kroniies just buy everything else but the neck pillow? Shipping fee doesn't seem that outrageous that way

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728246
>shits on idol culture
>collabs with men
>this alienates the people who actually spend money
>wow why are her merch sales so bad?

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>>47744573

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>>47744385
>Literally double
>Not an issue
You sure are dumb.
Are Kronii's SC numbers tanking too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47742377
?? 10k for a Holo clip is irrelevant shit tier, if you think that's "stupidly popular" you're retarded and don't know that clips of actually popular Holos get easily ten times more views.
Also.. "clips", really, that's the first and only think you can think of as a measure of popularity? Because you have nothing else, huh.. why don't you point to her amazing merch sales instead? Oh wait rumao

[Anonymous No.]

>>47744743
Because that's the only part of the merch that seemed cool.
I'm definitely not shelling out $60 for a plastic box.

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>>47745527
Vesper and Kronii shippers are actually brain damaged.
That's the only way you can see a connection between them in the first place.

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>>47729461
I know she's been an "amateur VA" (lets be real, basically fandub-tier and only involved in projects that pay in sandwiches, not recognized professional works) before Holo, but has she also been double-dipping and continue more VA work on the side during her time in Holo? And were those projects big enough to explain any long absences or basically just a few lines that could be hacked together in an afternoon?

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>>47728246
Shipping was 90% the cost of the actual merch + no hand signed

[Anonymous No.]

>>47740721
The only part of the merch that she reasonably wasn't thrilled about was the bento box and that's mostly from her wanting to distance herself from the dumb fucking sandwich jokes she grew tired of pretty quickly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47751098
Also to add yeah I'm surprised Cover didn't plan on delaying her birthday stream months ago even before her surgery ended up getting pushed back a week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47751098
I mean she had no idea what the pillow even was
I still don't exactly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47751098
Too bad the sandwich arc is the only memorable thing she did in the last year, as stupid as it was.

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>>47728246
>Goes on break
>Comes back for one day to announce merch
>Back to break with zero promotion
>Some of the merch is so bad she has to explain that you don't have to use it as intended
>Birthday overlaps with Fes and its fucking $200 digital tickets
The schizos are right though it's probably the males

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>>47728246

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>>47752979
Bunch of breaking containment tards are the ones who make the cover staff fix their garbage website. We can't access that info anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47752979
That answers exactly 0 questions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47752979
LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>47742544
I’m not a waifufag, what is the 2nd daki for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728246
>The merch Cover made for Kronii is shit this year compared to last year
>The shipping is fucked where it costs more to ship the items the items themsevles
>No limited edition version which is a free 1000 units sold.

Even with all the homo bullshit, if Kronii had a limited edition, reasonable shipping and merch like last year, she'd have the highest selling merch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47727633
but why

[Anonymous No.]

>>47754203
>Talents decide what they want for merch
>the shipping is high because of how heavy her merch is
>no limited edition because she's too lazy to sign cards
OH SO IT'S STILL HER FAULT?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47727633
Nah I'm not gonna pay $50 for shipping unless Kronii hand delivers it to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>47755640
>Talents decide what they want for merch
>Ignore me, I'm a retard.

The talents get to decide how involved they are in the merch design and planning. She was obviously not present at all this time because she was busy with so much work stuff on top of the surgery.
If you actually watch her birthday stream, which we know you wont because you don't watch streams, you would see she has no idea what any of it even was when she was trying to shill it.
Cover should have delayed the birthday instead of whatever the fuck they were thinking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47756233
>She was too lazy to decide her merch
>was panicking when she saw her manager in chat last stream because she didn't meet her deadlines
OH SO IT'S STILL HER FAULT BECAUSE SHE'S TOO LAZY TO DO HER JOB?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47756383
It's not her job to design the merch you retard, she can if she want's to.
It's not her fault management dropped the ball.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47756584
Cope and seethe. People bought Ina's huge takodachi despite the shipping fees. People bought Gura, Shion, Ayame and Aqua's shit despite them coming back for 1 stream and ghosting their fans for longer than Kronnii was on hiatus.
Face it, her gachikoi fucked off and her new homobeggar fanbase doesn't buy merch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47755640
>Hates the sandwich meme and killed it months ago
>One of her merch is a fucking burger box
>Thinking a Neck Pillow shipping should be 4 times the price of the pillow itself
Got any other excuses?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47756756
Nice rrat, why are her CCV and SC not suffering then?
People didn't buy the merch because she obviously had nothing to do with it and it had retarded shipping.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728858
>the only reason people in Japan don't bitch about it is fear of lawsuits and forced circumcision by the Nippon Zionist shipping cabal.
Lol, no, it's because it's 1000 yen shipping. It only affects people outside Japan
>t. uses proxy address

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728246
the merch is fucking dogshit. an ugly clock and a fucking neck pillow? come on now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47757240
but SC is... atleast compared to others in holoEN recent months

[Anonymous No.]

>>47757240
SC is. Also her CCV was in the shitter before her hiatus. She's been spamming minecraft and has comeback buff. It took a while for Mori's CCV to be holoID tier. Give it time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728246
Shipping. It really hurts you.

Also just not doing much

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728246
They should've got Casino_2nd to do a footfag clock and people would eat that shit up despite the shipping cost. Hire me Cover

[Anonymous No.]

>>47757521
>1 MC stream a month
>spam
ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>47757887
You know I can just navigate to her channel and instantly see you're fucking lying right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47752979
If it was so weak then I guess stop being poor

[Anonymous No.]

>>47757960
>back 40 days
> 2 streams
Do you want it exact? Is that it?
Are you going to call that spam?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47758797
That's pretty much "spam" for Kronii's case. The other anon was wrong btw, Kronii can go months without a MC stream, heck even a normal/random game series of her videos can take a month or 2 before she makes part 2 because some "issue" comes up for her leading to having no or low content for weeks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47759112
I'm glad you are here to give your opinion threadreader.
Kronii was actually one of the best at finishing games in EN until she got really busy around nov/dec.
But please, tell us more about how having two consecutive weeks with one MC stream is spam.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47729545
>Mori can sell because shes known more as musician than streamer.
>Please buy my $70 Blu-ray before I get dropped by UMG
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>47759982
Really busy doing what.
Because it wasn't doing her job, that's for certain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47732438
it's the best content that gives negative sales,
i'm liking it, hope their contract renew gets RAPED HARD, they deserve it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47760150
Wasn't her Blu-ray $120 and she forced Kronii to shill it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47760705
Yes her job, everyone was busy the ~5 months, streams were down, collabs down.
She had surgery on top of that where she couldn't even record for a month.
So yes, it's been busy for her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47761039
Weird how Kiara, Fauna and Mori could still stream regularly...

[Anonymous No.]

>>47742377
That’s the point. It’s basically like a fleshtuber collab with people you recognize. Which is fine, but it doesn’t say much about what your popularity is normally, as we can see from their regular numbers.
If any of those four want to use the numbers they get during collabs as proof that they should change their content accordingly, then they’re free to do that if they want. I just think it’s not a very smart move.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47745708
I’ll be honest, anon, I’m not sure either. I can say that NotKronii’s youtube channel has a grand total of three videos released since she joined Hololive. There aren’t any streams on her channel either.
Maybe she was working on something else that didn’t go on her channel, but a cursory glance there seems to suggest that she hasn’t.
One thing’s for sure, though. Kronii hasn’t really done much voice acting type stuff as Kronii since debut. Somehow Bae is the Council member who makes content with different voices.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47761225
Weird how IRyS, Mumei, Ame, Gura, Ina and Bae couldn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47761039
Wasn't Kronii the only one who pathetically added "working" on her weekly schedules to pad it while everyone else didn't have to mention that they were doing some off-stream work/recording for their fans?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47761680
Thanks for pointing out that Kronii is one of the lazy ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47761703
Yes, it's fucking pathetic how she actually talks to her fans and communicates, you're right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47752729
It’s really weird she didn’t think about this before. I distinctly remember at the time saying that she’ll deserve it if she gets reduced to the sandwich meme since she was spamming it so much.
I know my assumptions for vtubers’ intelligence are too high, but sometimes there’s two options, and one of the options is “Don’t do the dumb thing.”
I guess it tracks that almost every post I make shitting on Kronii boils down to, “Does she have any idea how much she’s shooting herself in the foot?” Because I probably wouldn’t care enough to mention it were it not for that feeling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47761826
>Yes, it's fucking pathetic how she actually talks to her fans and communicates, you're right.
lmao I can tell you aren't a real or even former Kronie. How many fucking times have we moaned about her poor communication and lying, like how she would do a guerilla stream this week and then didn't deliver. Then she said she'd improve to communicate but went on periods of radio silence to us and how we would have to hear about her activities from other talents. How she actually had her own "other" friends talk about how her failure to communicate properly led to some issues where they didn't know if she would come and got them surprised she showed up without notice for the AX thing, when people were speculating maybe she'd connect with other HoloEN members for her travels but turns out it was only to be with her "other" friends and she only dropped by Mumei's place for a bit before coming back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47761732
Funny how she's back to posting regular schedules, unlike most of the rest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47762364
>and lying
I can tell you were always an anti. Kronii never lied, just countless examples of her saying something and retards taking it and assuming something completely unfounded and then getting mad when it wasn't true.
And yes we kept complaining about her communication so it's real fucking funny how when she does communicate you shit on her for it.
Good job "kronie"

[Anonymous No.]

>>47762630
Kronii's broken promises:
>weekly minecraft streams, stopped after sportsfest with no mention at all as to why
>to post pics on twitter of stuff she's made in minecraft off--stream, only did it once or twice, next minecraft stream shows she's made renovations off-stream
>endurance pokemon stream on her last pokemon DP stream, never streamed the game again and didn't participate in the tournament despite promising to be sana's rival and fight her
>to get better on dead by daylight especially with the spirit DLC character she picked, reveals in the homo collab she never played again since last DBD collab with the girls and sucks at using spirit
>join the rust server, never happened even if just off-stream
>to do more karaoke so she can improve in front of her fans, now only happens once in a blue moon
>more streams after moving, schedules still remain the same as before, just adding "working" on it sometimes to fill in a slot
>guerilla streams, never did during the guerilla week, almost never happens besides when she starts feeling the heat from fans getting annoyed then maybe a members stream

There's probably a couple more ive missed/forgotten.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47736337
Twappi actually enjoys giving fanservice and you can tell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47733134
You're retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

Kronii next to graduate? She sounds like she's having a rough time of this and struggling to keep up. This is probably why introverts shouldn't become vtubers. It costs too much social battery.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47763032
>Kronii says she will do something
>Does it
>Doesn't do it until the heat death of the universe

I guess she lied!
Almost everything on the list is her saying "She will try to" which means she probably wont. She admitted that she does this a lot and it makes her seem flaky so she's trying to not be wishy washy and say yes or no now.
But you don't care about that do you?

>to do more karaoke so she can improve in front of her fans, now only happens once in a blue moon
>more streams after moving, schedules still remain the same as before, just adding "working" on it sometimes to fill in a slot

Actual fucking retarded. She's had a lot more karaokes than previously. She's back to posting a schedule and streaming regularly.
Go back to hyris, the cesspool you deserve to be in. I hope you keep seething about how IRyS still likes Kronii despite all of your efforts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47763570
Shit guess it's time to shut down 80% of holo for all being introverted

[Anonymous No.]

>>47763570
>>47764956
Oh no she's having a hard time keeping up while recovering from major surgery, she should have just fucked off for four months like every other VTuber with a medical issue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47736337
Towa is a man

[Anonymous No.]

>>47760959
Really? That’s hilarious. UMG really wants that advance paid back. How much did they shell out for her “music” and tour?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47732438
I can't believe you admitted to being a cancerous stain who will destroy anybody who panders to your ilk.
At least muh unicorns would stick to the bitter end. Instead Kronii replaced them with the normalfag audience and now she burns as they abandon her in her time of need.
Lol,lmao even

[Anonymous No.]

>>47767967
>falling for obvious bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>47738845
so true sister!!! you earned one free slit for hex!

[Anonymous No.]

>>47768767
Maybe you should focus more on buying Kronii's merch than arguing with Nijisisters anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47745522
nah, kronii still has the highest supas among council and membership gifts

[Anonymous No.]

>>47763032
what a retard you are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47763570
why are you so obsessed with her anyway? your oshi not doing as well as her? if you hate her, ignore her. seems like you're seething with jealousy on her popularity instead

[Anonymous No.]

Who the hell cares about Kronii? She didn't even know Weather Hackers or Ahoy(she thought Ahoy was from One Piece...)

[Anonymous No.]

>>47771220
Ahoy does sound like it would be in OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>47736337
>>47740059
When kronii whole shitck is only known as tempus cocksleeve then nobody would care enough to buy her merch, even bae sold more than 200k and kronii barely 50k. Towa identity are not male collaber like kronii or ollie, she organise more and involved in a lot of concert and group project. If people talk about towa, they recognise her as a fps streamer and a deep voice singer. If people talk about kronii now, she known as a part of DA BOIS, that it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47772791
This. Kronii has had more collabs with the boys this year compared to other HoloEN collabs that aren't mandated/event collabs like the easter or april fools stream this year so far. Kronii at this point is gonna have more SQUAD collabs than KIRA or SNOT collabs at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47772791
Kronies have memory holed how much she's flaked out on full gen collabs as well as being the only Council member who didn't join the rest of here gen in visiting japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47752922
You're the one that sounds like a schizo. Gura had a figure go to #1 overall in the middle of the longest hiatus of her career with zero promotion to the point that she learned that it had been on sale for weeks from her chat and she still never promoted it. You're also either arguing that kronies are retarded and bought tickets knowing her birthday was coming or that they actually picked fes over their oshi's specific, limited merch and I'm just not buying that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47772791
>>47773221
Funny enough, I made a similar point here >>47732438 and anons missed the point because I sarcastically called myself a “normalfag”…

[Anonymous No.]

Nobody gives a shit about collabing with males otherwise Suisei and Fubuki would also be in the gutter. Kronii committed the two worst cardinal sins of vtubing, she lied to her fans AND she publicly looked down/disparaged them. That's why she's hated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47773654
Fucking idiot. She had surgery shortly after the rest of council went to jp. You don't just randomly cancel your spot on the surgery waiting list just cause.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47736337
Towa makes incredible music. Kronii doesn't have anything going for her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47767901
i'm just glad she was the bitch who ruined it for every other hololive memeber,
thank god, imagine she doing a good job and not being retarded, who else might have gotten a good music deal, with all the amazing music and talent hololive manage to do with others.
X 9000 KEKS

[Anonymous No.]

>>47736337
Towa didn't speak down at her audience.

[Anonymous No.]

Shipping costs
/end thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>47775126
Retard, Kronii didn't have a schedule for surgery yet, the trip was finalized last year while Kronii only decided to arrange a schedule on february.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47777564
Everyone else dealt with shipping costs too, on average the difference shouldn't be so great even taking that into account.

[Anonymous No.]

>Shipping fee as much as the merch itself
Tell me how this is justified.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47727633
>thread watchers don't know she was making a joke about capitalism

[Anonymous No.]

>>47774493
Exactly. The tempus shit is whatever, that can be overlooked and forgiven. But she let the mask drop too far and showed her fans how she really felt, you can't un-know just how pathetic she thinks we are. I'll hate her forever now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47773654
Except she did go to japan, when her schedule would allow.
You fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47777816
Are you fucking retarded?
The surgery has been scheduled for a long time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47778554
Damn, you really are pathetic

[Anonymous No.]

>>47775868
Didn't towa lie about it being a cover manager?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47777816
Man you really like posting shit you don't know anything about.
Keep in mind her surgery was also voluntary, so low-priority.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728246
Unironically a mix of higher shipping costs than the other girls, lack of a limited set which are always guaranteed to sell (all other girls had one) and just straight up boring and ugly merch
The merch design matters more than you'd think, for example both Bae and IRyS had at least one item which sold incredibly well (the ratsack and the tofu mousepad), but Fauna didn't have "that special item" which is why her merch sold significantly worse than those two (it doesn't help that all of her merch was very girly)
Kronii's merch is even worse than Fauna's because there's not even a cute plushie there, just an ugly gigantic pillow that elevates the shipping cost, an acrylic stand and a lunchbox

[Anonymous No.]

>>47780530
>Damn, you really are pathetic
Quote from Kronii talking about her fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47780572
Yeah, because she panicked and assumed that telling the truth (that it was a platonic male friend) would look bad. Which was dumb, but the kind of thing you’d do if you were panicking.
I don’t really know whether what Kronii’s done would be considered “lying”. Honestly, it seems like an exaggeration meant to make it look like Kronii’s some conniving whore, when in reality she’s just an annoying doomer who has no idea how not to make her menhera annoying for everyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47781089
>she panicked and assumed that telling the truth (that it was a platonic male friend) would look bad
Reminds me of Ollie saying her brother was her sister.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47781089
>it seems like an exaggeration meant to make it look like Kronii’s some conniving whore
Shocking
Would people on here really do that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47729209
If sucking Vesper dick is the job then yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>47757240
>CCV
free view not gonna pay
>SC
the same people who SC again and again

[Anonymous No.]

>>47745708
>>47761670
She voiced the MC for an indie VA released a few months ago, so that was a decent sized project. No idea if anything's in the works right now, but I don't know why people are surprised that having a non-functioning jaw for over a month would put her behind on work for both jobs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47782335 (ME)
Indie VN*, got a wire crossed there

[Anonymous No.]

>>47781706
I don’t know if it’s because people can’t come up with the words to describe their real problem with Kronii, or what. I don’t have to think she’s some evil bitch to dislike her as a content creator. She’s menhera, got handed subs and ccv’s because her model was made by Wada Arco, making her the vtuber equivalent of a lottery winner, and she pissed her luck away accordingly through ignorance of Hololive culture, a fuckton of menhera, and poor choices for streaming content. Was that so hard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47782240
>They don't pay!
>If they do pay they don't count!
>Real fans give $140 in shipping fees to an unrelated company!
You can't tell me you don't realize how retarded the things you say are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47770944
>dont want to do idol rep
>dont even know any holo JP
>got in Hololive because ‘why not?’ lol
She dont deserved to be in Hololive
Connor was right all along

[Anonymous No.]

>>47782582
I remember agreeing with Connor back when I still watched HoloEN. Of course a turd sandwich *could* get 100k pre-debut. That’s the whole point of branding, and it doesn’t mean the actual members are turd sandwiches.
Now, when I read that comment again, I realize that plenty of HoloEN members have at least become turd sandwiches and still get way more numbers than they would without the blue Dorito.
If you took five indies with the exact same content and the exact same ccv’s from 2021 and let them do what Myth has done, I guarantee you the recline would be way bigger. Gura would probably be the only one who’s still a 4view.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47778099
Because DHL gets it there in like 2 days

[Anonymous No.]

>>47763570
>This is probably why introverts shouldn't become vtubers. It costs too much social battery.
Luna was an introvert who literally had nobody besides Matsuri for the first few months of her debut. This sounds like a Kronii problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47782491
>got handed subs and ccv’s because her model was made by Wada Arco
Preach it sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>47763570
>This is probably why introverts shouldn't become vtubers. It costs too much social battery.

"introvert" is becoming this fake fucking excuse for laziness. No you are not an "introvert" you are just a shy coward.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728319
Good job Cover intern.
You are smarter than 90% retard here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47773824
Gura's nobodies standard of anything, she's EN Ayame by this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47783302
>"introvert" is becoming this fake fucking excuse for laziness. No you are not an "introvert" you are just a shy coward.

I disagree. The real difference is that introverts lose battery with interaction and extroverts recharge the more they talk.

Mathematically speaking, introverts will always fail as streamers, mostly on competitive settings. Extroverts too have decades of more experience in talking and entertaining people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728319
Nigger, everytime the method to get the "magic number" got exposed the website suddenly patch itself
I still fucking remember the first time a retarded redditfag exposed the method to the fucking Holo subreddit and we can't access the number anymore
Even if you don't believe it, why her merch was extended and she shill it like this?
>inb4 because she was gone for a long time
Sorry to tell you, but she is not the only who has done this before
Gura and Ayame are infamous for fucking off for a long time and come back to stream once to shill their merch and fuck off again
It's not really hard to see why she has fallen from grace and has one of the lowest sales

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728858
Just use proxy
Yea, they charge a certain amount of fee for their service, but it's much cheaper than buying from Cover's shop

[Anonymous No.]

>>47784020
>Mathematically speaking, introverts will always fail as streamers, mostly on competitive settings.
Complete gibberish. Pekora and several other top Holo JPs are introverts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47728958
Roru
Rumao even
No wonder Kronii has shitty sales considering Kronies are a bunch of jobless retards

[Anonymous No.]

>>47763570
>introvert
Introverts don't usually flirt with their male coworkers on stream though
Introverts usually stay low and don't provoke thousands of people smugly to get their attention though

[Anonymous No.]

>>47727633
>Flip flop on own fans
>Get mad when called out on it
>Call in management to defend you instead of facing the music yourself
>Comment on a random clip with "unfortunately idol culture is a thing" which trashes on all the girls and fans who actually like the job and culture
>Paint yourself as the victim of the big bad unicorns
>Continue doing way more homo collabs than collabs with your own company
Obviously she'd take a massive fucking hit. She's taken hits in ccv and even sub growth. It's obvious she'd take huge hits in sales since the more devoted fans are the ones who're willing to spend far more money far more often than anyone else. I'm convinced there's a significant portion of the population who literally cannot think and just act on emotions and impulse in the moment without being capable of thinking a week, month or year into the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47780572
>>47781089
>>47781251
i still think towa's situation would have been much better than it turned out if cover hadn't hung her out to dry by immediately saying she was lying
then again management has always been incompetent so it's to be expected that they'd take the route that turns the fanbase rabid against a talent

[Anonymous No.]

>>47732438
>The only good content Kronii has is shit that appeals to tourists and normalfags like me. She’s funny when she’s with Tempus. There, I said it. But I’m the kind of tourist who’s not going to fucking buy merch that costs more in shipping than the item itself.
See? Normalfags can parade around with their "moral" and virtue signaling activites, but your moral won't give her success nor wealth

[Anonymous No.]

When shipping costs more than the merch itself, I am unlikely to buy the merch. It's not that complicated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47784536
I’m guessing Cover was stuck in a conundrum. They really don’t want talents to think it’s ok to lie, because even a little white lie you blurted out in a panic could be a big problem if other talents see that and assume it’s ok for them too.
I honestly couldn’t say for certain what the best move should have been. I’m just glad Towa eventually recovered from it, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47784655
Go buy the voice pack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47784536
They really didn't have very many choices. If a manager came over to one of the girls houses completely unsupervised some people would probably question how good an idea that is, plus if another one of the girls did something similar but worse they could build off that lie and actually damage the company. Towa kind of ended up fucking herself over on that one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47784536
They don't want rumors of another Mel situation. Imagine if it went around that Cover has their male staff just chilling in Towa's house.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47727633
This is a "WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER" moment..

[Anonymous No.]

I just feel as if Kronii and Baelz could've been so much better. Its pathetic remembering that this was the fate that they got relegated to, all because of how bleh their first few months were

[Anonymous No.]

>>47784655
Yet somehow you don't see this problem with any of the other girls. You kroniggers are just grifters who hate hololive and "support" Kronii with nothing but words because she goes against what people watch hololive for in the first place
Unicorns are unbearably annoying, but unlike you faggots, they at least their money where their mouth is

[Anonymous No.]

>>47785271
So which are you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47785271
>You kroniggers are just grifters who hate hololive and "support" Kronii with nothing but words because she goes against what people watch hololive for in the first place
I don't even know what the hell kronii wants. Her idol performance was strong, even WITH the fucking "le idol culture bad" thing. What a waste.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47785196
bae really suffered from omega's retarded lore, trying to play up the chaos thing really murdered her momentum
now that she's found it in her to relax she's started inclining, but it's so slow compared to what it could've been
i just don't understand what omegatroon was thinking, literally no other holos have lore nearly as in depth as councilrys and they do just fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>47741665
nah Ame sold those out, it took about 9 days, I always checked everyday. On the otherhand though she got the same amount as Ina, on one hand it took way too long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47785271
You could at least take the three seconds to Ctrl-F "shipping" in this thread and see that it was significantly worse than usual, but then you'd risk finding something that doesn't fit your narrative.
I put my money where it matters: Shit that actually goes to the girls. Or hell, at least Cover. I'd much rather give 30% to the platform they stream on than 60% to some garbage freight company that takes six months to deliver my shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47784020
Convenient excuse. yet every introvert can just play videogames and be a depressed retard for hours on end just fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47785383
>i just don't understand what omegatroon was thinking, literally no other holos have lore nearly as in depth as councilrys and they do just fine
And then holoX comes out, they have some stupid secret society thing and then take off. Honestly I blame it on a lack of Miso Soup still in EN, but the genuine lack of friendship. Also the council fanbase treating friendships as ships will never not piss me off

[Anonymous No.]

Didn't know Kronii was this in trouble before. So is Kronii and Mori for the blu-ray the only ones in EN that has to mention lack of sales recently?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47780530
The only pathetic ones are the krocucks like you that worship someone who hates your guts

[Anonymous No.]

>>47785343
>"le idol culture bad" thing
You are not even a clipwatcher

[Anonymous No.]

>>47785717
I don't watch Kronii, I observe her. I'm sorry that i said that, because lets be real I don't have the time to watch Kronii every day

[Anonymous No.]

Is Kronii going to be the EN Matsuri?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47785747
>I don't watch Kronii
It was painfully fucking obvious

[Anonymous No.]

>>47785505
to be fair the whole 'take over the world' thing is a lot more subtle that the more overt themes that council had
it's a lot easier to go 'oh hey this will help us take over the world' than trying to equate anything with time/nature/chaos/civilization

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>>47738845
Why do people keep complaining about the shipping fee?
If people care enough and not a complete retard, they can use proxies
Cover doesn't even ship to my country, but I still try to look for ways to buy my oshi's merch

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>>47785304
Neither, both are schizos. I just enjoy watching good vtubers who aren't spiteful and ungrateful to towards their fans and the culture that made them succeed

>>47785450
>three seconds to Ctrl-F "shipping"
>what random anons on a mongolian basket weaving forum say is what trully matters, not what the actual talents said on stream
Sounds like a whole bunch of excuses kronigger, >>47784999 already gave you an alternative, yet you're still here diverting cause you don't want to support Kronii monetarily

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>>47785792 (me)
after rereading that, it occurred to me; the fundamental difference is that council is concepts, whereas the other holos with actual defined lore either have a character to play or can improvise within a certain degree
marine is a horny pirate, not a whole lot going off of but she fits the role well
holox wants to take over the world, and they can play it up with little nods here and there
council...does what, exactly? they're concepts with no direction, and even the ones that do have direction are bad i.e. baelz being chaotic but actually being the calmest, kronii being a narcissist is just annoying and cringe, etc

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Can Kronii survive until EN3?

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>>47785011
>Imagine if it went around that Cover has their male staff just chilling in Towa's house.
What's wrong with two dudes hanging out over a smoke and a couple of beers?

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>>47785717
>Pretending she didn't say anything

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>>47786044
I don't have to pretend.
I watch streams.

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>>47786123
She didn't say it in a stream dipshit lol

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>>47727633
Do you guys actually get merch despite all the stuff I've seen of shipping rates being literal extortion?

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>>47786162
She didn't say it anywhere

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>>47786289
I did from geekjack, it was bad but not robbery.

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>>47786355
lmao

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>>47786355
Moron lmao

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>>47786355

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>>47786355
anon...

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>>47786397
>>47786399
That's cool, nowhere does it say "idol culture bad".
It doesn't even say "unfortunately because idol culture is a thing"

It's sure is easy outing ESL retards.

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>>47785573
I have a feeling that UMG massively overprinted her Blu Ray because they didn't realize that nobody outside of Japan is willing to spend $70 on one

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>>47784655
Just use reshipping service
Can't even bother to look up for reshipping services that can ship to your place?

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>>47786597
>B-but she didn't say "idol culture bad" word for word
Keep digging that hole. She's still not reaching her quota because you grifting retards are too cheap to buy her merch.

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>>47786864
>word for word
She did not even imply it
Which you would know if you were not an ESL monkey

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>>47736337
Her fanbase, like Hoshiyomis, are a literal cult. Also she doesn't disrespect her fanbase, which is like the bare minimum you should do that most EN can't do

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>>47785899
Alright retard I'll shove the spoon down your fucking throat >>47744229
Wow! See how easy that was?
I'll even do the math for you: 59% of the cost there is going to shipping. After that, some of it goes to covering production costs, another chunk goes to the manufacturer's profits, then Cover's cut, and THEN Kronii. There is no way to support her less efficient than buying this shit when the shipping is that insane.

>already gave you an alternative
Yes dipshit I already bought the fucking seven dollar digital item. Do you really think that's what's causing the issue here?
I'll continue to support her through membership and SC, you go ahead and burn your money in a ceremonial offering that will never reach your pure idol and maybe she'll finally fuck you.

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>>47786805
Maybe she shouldn't have pushed away the people dedicated enough to jump through hoops for her, now she's stuck with casual fans who will just decide not to buy merch if it's inconvenient

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>>47786916
>will never reach your pure idol and maybe she'll finally fuck you
>so mad that he starts projecting
nta but your seething has brought me great joy so thanks anon, you're one of the good ones.

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>>47786355
Damn, Kroniifags are now resorting to the cuckbeat strategy of spouting absolute bullshit that can be verified to be a lie within seconds, hoping that just like on reddit people won't take the 5 seconds to google it.

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>>47786597
lol at this disingenuous troon
the implication is that it's a negative thing
lmao at even calling others ESL when you're like this

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>>47787108
It's not projection, they give it away when they constantly throw "cuck" around as if everyone self-inserts as the streamer's boyfriend.
Have a good day.

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>>47786805
>>47787065
Comes down to this: every other fanbase has those that will find a way because they wish to support their oshi. Kronii has only le ebin twitter/leddit LGBTBBQ army that only has upboats and retwats to offer lmao
Most aren't even clipniggers; it's ridiculous.

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I'll be honest, the shipping is what's holding me back the most. I begrundgingly got the EN concert stuff because I managed to get a ticket but I haven't bought anything since the Myth 3D stuff and even then I only got Kiara's stuff because she's my oshi. I don't mind buying other girls stuff too but it's getting more and more expensive. I gotta save for the concert/anime expo and 5th fes.

Sorry clockbros, my comfy but not high paying job isn't allowing me to support your oshi.

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Tronii status?

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>>47786916
>I already bought the fucking seven dollar digital item
Oh I'm sorry, I forgot to mention that I can't read minds. Maybe you should have said that sooner instead of seething and making up excuses
>covering production costs, another chunk goes to the manufacturer's profits, then Cover's cut
>continue to support her through membership and SC
I see, so paying for someone to actually make the item using physical material that has to be bought is bad, but paying Youtube a huge cut for allowing her to stream on their platform even though the ad revenue already goes to them and then paying cover's cut after, is perfectly fine and worth supporting. I understand your logic
>that will never reach your pure idol and maybe she'll finally fuck you
Why so mad? Why are you projecting? Like I said, I just enjoy watching good vtubers who appreciate their fans and the culture that made them succeed. Kronii is just bad at both
Let me say it one more time, as pathetic as they may be, at least the unicorns put their money where their mouth is and at the end of the day, they're the ones filling the talent's quotas

>>47787222
Show me where I called you a cuck. I know you're mad, but making things up won't help your argument

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>>47727633
Applying Occam's razor here, it's because she's not a good streamer.

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>>47786884
Reading comprehension beaten by elementary schoolers

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>>47787735
ouch, you killed him

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>>47787735
>Sorry I didn't realize the complaints about shipping don't apply to the thing without shipping
>I don't understand how the talent losing the vast majority of the cut is worse than them losing 30% of the cut
>I'm totally not one of those people who've been shitting up the board for years just because I use the same bullshit arguments

Kindly take your autism elsewhere.

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>>47788311
>When talking about merch it is imperative to leave out the type of merch that doesn't require shipping, otherwise it doesn't suit my rrat.
>Its perfectly fine that she loses about half her earnings, because at least she doesn't lose more than half her earnings. I am not a hypocrite!
>How am I supposed to prove something that I just made up? I will keep projecting instead, because I am very mad and this is the only way I can defend my retarded posts.

Likewise.

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>>47786916
Anonchama, the dragon herself, the ex-queen of SC has stated the percentage of her earning from SC is quite small
Merch is the way to go if you want to support the talent
Just use a proxy you lazy fuck

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>>47787399
Not buying Kronii's merch because they are busy making excuses

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>>47729545
>Mori can sell because she know more as musicial than streamer.

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>>47736337
Don't you dare insult Tokyo Tower like this

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>>47789156
He's not wrong. She's doing shit with her music as seen with her constant blueray shilling, but her streams do way fucking worse lmao
She's now more known as "the chick who sucks off horses"

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>>47789731
Mori has to shill bd because It's the only metric jp umg understands for gauging the viability of funding another oneman Live for her.
Which is dumb, because no one outside of Japan gives a shit about physical media anymore and they comprise the majority of her viewership.

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>>47791312
>no one outside of Japan gives a shit about physical media anymore
She signed a contract with UMG Japan, not the real deal UMG. She should have expected them to think in Japanese terms.

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>>47786597
>I'm a fucking retarded, she need to spell it for me

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>>47786884
>I want to do whatever I want and collab with whomever I want, but unfortunately idol culture is a thing, so the idol fags get upset about it.
>did not even imply it
Are you sure (You)'re not the one who's ESL?

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>>47787929
Id like to expand on your point here in that a huge part of Kronii's appeal comes from sex voice and sex model to get attracted to, so when you end up pushing fans of that thing away by being a prude, refusing to use your VA skill and showing more interest on some lanky old guy than the other other cute girls, you're left with a girl who is constantly being a downer/negative, without much skill in gaming or idol activities. This is why the likes of Suisei, Towa, Matsuri and even fucking Mori don't suffer all that much from losing the GFE appeal because they have other entertainment skills to attract fans.

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>>47791751
Kronii could read the fucking dictionary and get good views if she simply flexed her voice acting.

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>>47791751
>matuli
>other entertainment skills
wdym? her singing is good enough, but in a company filled with talented singers she doesn't stand out at all. the only thing she has going for her is looking attractive, which is irrelevant since she's a vtuber
>attracting fans
she barely hits 3k ccv, she has no sub growth, no supa revenue and no comment engagement