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47694918 No.47694918 [Reply] [Original]

What were the golden years of Vtubing?

>> No.47695765

>>47694918
The year before HoloEN debuted. Now normalfags are making everything worse like they always do when they come to a niche hobby.

>> No.47696048
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>>47695765
Pic related, forgot to post

>> No.47696842

>>47694918
last half of 2017 and first half of 2018, before vrchat parties almost destroyed the whole medium

>> No.47697279

>>47694918
Right now.

>> No.47697378

>>47694918
2016-2018
innovation and development was at an all-time high and people weren't afraid to try new things

>> No.47697483

>>47694918
1994 thru 2002

>> No.47699157

>>47696048
>"women ruined vtuber!!"
>proceeds to give their paychecks to women
At least be consistent in your hate.

>> No.47699799

>>47694918
2017-2019 were the years of innovation and success in my opinion, everything else after that is industrialization and saturation before the bubble popped. If only there'd been a better way for vTubers to expand into the west without it degenerating so horribly maybe this hobby could've been saved before the plateau
>>47699157
>Missing the point entirely
No reading comprehension eh?

>> No.47700602

>>47697279
This. We've reached the point that we have vtubers for everything.
You like idols?
You like to pretend she's your girlfriend?
You like whores?
You like literal, actual whores?
You like indie games?
You like AAA games?
You like 'em in a dozen different fucking languages?
You like honest-to-god AIs?

People bitching about nostalgia just aren't fucking LOOKING for the vtubers they actually want to watch, and are instead obsessing about how the vtubers they used to watch aren't the same anymore.

>> No.47700671

>>47694918
Any year my oshi is actively streaming. Therefore, we're still in 'em!

>> No.47700854

>>47694918
Back when the only EN speaking Holos you could watch were Moona and Artia

>> No.47702084

>>47694918
Yet to come.

>> No.47706991

>>47694918
>What were the golden years of Vtubing?
heavenly

>> No.47708017

haven't happened yet

>> No.47708436

>>47695765
>>47696048
/thread

>> No.47708562

>>47700602
You're a fucking retard. I mean that wholeheartedly.
It's not ENOUGH that normies have their own VTubers. They MUST, in any and ALL circumstances, ruin it for people they do not consider normal.

Have you seen a group of guys hanging out? How many fucking times did a passer-by woman ruin it? I rest my fucking case.

>> No.47709894

The Kizuna era when you had to actually be entertaining and come up with skits and stuff like editing was important. Turning vtubing into a regular streamer format was a mistake. Even during her time it was happening already though thanks to advent of shitty Live2D that any fag could use with no effort.

>> No.47709976

>>47709894
Huh? That's the stupidest thing I've ever hea--
>thinks on it
...Fuck.

>> No.47709984

>>47697279
I mean, seriously. The medium hasn't even been around for that long.

>> No.47710108

>>47709984
And it already stagnated. When's the last big innovation you've heard of? Keep in mind, going from 2D to 3D is simply doing what VTubers did at the very beginning. They STARTED at 3D.

>> No.47710832

>>47709894
Just as how vtubing should have remained a niche hobby in Japan, it should have also remained a exclusive thing you could only find on YouTube or Nico Nico, because as you said, you still needed talent to be a successful content creator. The vtuber model was just a nice bonus. Now that twitchfags and casuals have infested the genre, all you need is a model that screams sex, and a mental illness strong enough to keep chat entertained, because you're no longer doing 10 minute planned out skits, but instead 2-4 hour streams of awkward silence, and menhera autism.

>> No.47710841

>>47710108
I don't necessarily think that the current Live2D, video game streamer focus of vtubing is going to be all that vtubing is in the future. I can respect not being into practically any of the vtubers this board talks about and even agree that I'd like to see more structured and scripted stuff from vtubers, but there already is plenty of that stuff out there. I don't see why it's impossible that there could be more of it in the future.
I also don't really see the point in getting hung up on innovation for innovation's sake. We're still in the first decade of vtubing.

>> No.47710893

>>47694918
2018 was the golden year in my book. Everything before vtubing boomed in the west.

>> No.47710974

100% this. Those skits were so soul

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>>47696842
>>47697378
>>47699799
>>47710893
These ones

>> No.47713475

>>47696842
>>47697378
>>47699799
>>47710893
I remember when Gamebu and .LIVE presented themselves alive and well.

>> No.47715462

>>47694918
2020 to 2021, that was fun.

>> No.47715614

>>47694918
Back when it was just a bunch of funny fruit in a kitchen.

>> No.47718368

I miss Gamebu. Nothing ever came close. Then again, they probably weren't profitable whatsoever

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test

>> No.47721717

>>47711078
Kanpai, you bitch.

>> No.47722188

>>47694918
There are a fucking ton of retarded people itt who doesn't really know how it worked
The sweet age of vtubing ended with the permissions arc and the Holocaust
The golden age of vtubing ended with the debut of NijiEN
And the begining of the end started with the release of the first NijienMales
Fucking Nijisanji literally killed this hobby for the EN scene

>> No.47723086

>2020fags

>> No.47724316

>>47696048
based

>> No.47726102

>>47694918
2020
The entire year was the golden age.
Hololive was super funny.

>> No.47726137

>>47710841
>I don't see why it's impossible that there could be more of it in the future
A lot that could happen in terms of interactable fiction characters similar to Gorillaz, the old Kizuna Ai, or just having VR avatars become mainstream
There's a simple joy in seeing creators bringing cute girls to life through decent mo-cap like https://twitter.com/Sakura_Rabbiter/status/1632341819907506176
https://twitter.com/Sakura_Rabbiter/status/1600515299605770240

But in terms of the much more specific "vtubing hobby" talked about here and other corners of the internet it's not looking very hot
Basically a neverending rat race of clout chasing, with not a single shred of desire at creating even slightly original content
A lot of it has to do with streaming being seen as the only real meta
There's only so much you can do to express creatively live, and only so many people out there with the spare time to actively follow live content on the level vtuber fans are known for

What you end up with is a market full of underqualified shitters participating in a shouting contest with fleeting attention as their only hope for salvation,
because many of the biggest streamers corpo and indie were just lucky enough to be noticed at the right time especially first movers like those who became Vshojo,
but also because it didn't cross their mind at all that you might need to actually CREATE something worthwhile in order to get genuine eyes onto you

>> No.47726211

>>47694918
>Why didn't anyone tell me they were the 'good ole days' while they were happening?
You're still in the middle of them, anon. Neurosama is a taste of what's coming and one day we'll look back on when watching a chuuba was a communal experience and not an AI girl trapped in a box in your living room that you pay 20-100 bucks a month for.

>> No.47726235

>2017-2019 fags

>> No.47726371

>>47726137
>and only so many people out there with the spare time to actively follow live content
I completely agree, in a way the pandemic inflated the popularity of streaming in general, but now people don't have that kind of time at their disposal anymore.

>> No.47726660

gold - Ai Peak
silver - early hololive
death - nijiEN/HoloEN/Western shit

>> No.47726664

>>47694918
It's weird to think that I've technically been there for the very beginning of vtubers, watching Kizuna play Inside at like 12 fps getting barely 5 digit views on her videos and then she suddenly blew up with Superhot
How did this girl possibly start all this

>> No.47728723

>>47694918
When lewd Ai and Akari mmd's were popping up like crazy on the usual places.
Pron is a good determinant of an era.

>> No.47730937

>>47726137
The free market is a natural selection system.
Even if thousands of vtubers appear every day, only the most talented ones that meet the public demand will remain relevant in their niche. If you think a product lacks quality, just choose another one that you think has higher quality.

Competition forces participants to innovate, especially in an industry with a low barrier to entry.

The market always corrects itself; if there is a bubble, it bursts; bankruptcy is a necessary mechanism to free up misallocated resources.

You can even make a comparison with the music industry, millions of singers spread all over the world, but only the most talented ones become famous and successful in their musical niche, while most remain amateur singers with small audiences and dubious quality.

>> No.47731170

2016/11/29 - 2018/02/08
Long ago, the four heavenly kings and Aichan lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Niji Nation attacked. Only the VTuber, master of all stream elements, could stop them, but when the world needed her most, she vanished. A hundred years passed and my brothers and I discovered the new VTuber, a Youtuber named Gura.

>> No.47731562

>>47694918
2019 - Current year
>2020fags
I was perfectly aware of vtubing since Aichan's inception and even watched some of hers and Hinata's stuff back then, it just wasn't nearly as entertaining as post-gamers/sankisei HoloJP as far as I'm concerned.

>> No.47732452

>>47726235
I wish there were more
Maybe not so much the latter part of 2019 since that was when things started to get pretty gay

>> No.47732648

>>47694918
Before EN vtuber corruption.

>> No.47734521

Now

>> No.47734688

Honestly it was great before Twitch learned about it.

>> No.47734793

>>47694918
2020 because of the COVID buff

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2019-2020
>dawn of minecraft server (neighbors arc etc)
>first mario cart tournament
>first sports fes
>pekomiko xmas
>sankisei
>asacoco
>nepolabo

Peak Holo era. The only comparable thing that happened in the last 3 years was the Rust arc.
Nijisanji still had active translators too, so there was actually way more variety in content back then.
Previous 4HK era was alright, but Kaguya Luna was the only one that was really funny.

>> No.47736671

For me it was early 2020 when we were stuck at home and I discovered a whole new form of entertainment. For the industry itself I don't fucking care really.

>> No.47736730

>>47722188
>Myth
>good
Keep telling yourself that, chumbud/teammate

>> No.47736858

>>47697378
>2016-2018
>innovation and development was at an all-time high
Everyone here is too much of a newfag to know how bullshit this really is

>> No.47736920

>>47709894
>The Kizuna era when you had to actually be entertaining and come up with skits and stuff
Kizuna's videos were fucking ads, they weren't entertaining

>> No.47737970

Nostalgiafags will always be insufferable no matter the medium

>> No.47738129

>>47702084
Wise

>> No.47738330

>>47694918
When they weren't censored to say FAQ and nigger in the cutest ways.
Western culture really does make everything less fun.

>> No.47738611

I viewed Nijisanji and later Hololive as a constant spew of bullshit and low tech models as a plague. Now I'm here. The tech has advanced very little since Ai.

>> No.47740287

>>47695765
Watching vtubers isn't a hobby

>> No.47741211

>>47694918
pre-August 2018

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