/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Now that the dust has settled, how come Nijimales are much more popular than anyone in holostars?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47105256
Cuz they cover the female demographic and does what they want, Holostars don't like shipping themselves to Thier branch mates

[Anonymous No.]

>>47105917
?????

[Anonymous No.]

>>47105917
Kuzuha is watched mostly by men.

[Anonymous No.]

Qrd?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47105256
dunno

[Anonymous No.]

>>47109436
>nijimales
big numbers
>holostars
low numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>47105256
Manjisanji

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>>47105256
Nijisanji is not marketed towards males. They are anti idols too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47105256
holostars was sabotaged when they first appeared, honestly I don't even understand why open a male branch and then forbid them to even associate with the brand

[Anonymous No.]

>>47123055
they tried the opposite with EN and irrecoverably damaged both branches

[Anonymous No.]

>>47105917
there's BL roleplay of holostar memebers, and most of nijimales are watched by men

[Anonymous No.]

>>47105917

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>>47123055
You forgot how bad their early reception was? How Miyabi had more dislikes than views on his debut stream? The collab ban was a knee jerk reaction but things wouldn't be much different than they are today outside of Fubuki and Matsuri collabing with them earlier. And that was before Sankisei's debuts and .LIVE's implosion, so by then the idolfag audience wasn't as big as it is today. The thing that actually fucked them was opening the branch after almost 2 years of being female only.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47123055
The fact that they're called HOLOstars is the problem. Imagine if they debuted as Stars or something else entirely, just under COVER Production (instead of HOLOPro), people's perception would be completely different.

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>>47125922
Basically, most people who watch male vtuber hates Hololive
And people who watch hololive hates male vtuber
It's that simple

[Anonymous No.]

>>47126044
"Not interested in" and "does not want to watch" doesn't mean hate

[Anonymous No.]

>>47126532
That sentiment will soon turn into hate if Cover keeps up with their pushed unity bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

Choina

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>>47123188
I blame Gura for HoloEN's decline

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>>47126532
it does /here/

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>>47123188
What? Tempus shits all over HolostarsJP in every aspect. HoloEN is also doing better than mid-low tier JP Holomems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47105256
Schlickbait. Niji's just way better at it. Unironically good job nijisisters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47127589
holoEN has declined since Tempus was announced and has never managed to course-correct. JP is getting more views now than at any point in the past while EN continues to stagnate due to loss of interest. Holostars killed Hololive English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47127757
Maybe for EN, but the rest?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47127812
>Tempus doing worse than Noctyx
TEMPUS DIDN'T DO AS WELL AS THEY EXPECTED LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

I mean just look at the most recent wave of tempus, there’s not much there to get attached to
Clown is the only one that seems to have any personality.
Bird is hailed as the singer of the group but if you’ve heard his karaoke it’s pretty easy to tell he’s autotuned to all hell so there’s no reason to keep listening
Red is a niche market to begin with
Buff boy doesn’t really do anything

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>>47127812
Is that already with Tempus Part 2 included? If they are then that's really bleak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47126803
>Choina
So you're saying Meddy.exe is behind this?
>>47128317

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>>47123055
To begin with, male idol groups themselves are in demand only by a limited number of fans. And with Niji-sanji, Sutopuri, etc. originally available, there is no need to bother with the Holostars.

Real male idol fans and male voice actor fans don't watch vtubers in the first place, so there is no demand for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47105256
gays attract gays

[Anonymous No.]

I'll bite. Holostars is a debuff because most people would first associate it with Hololive's idol brand, and male idols aren't exactly the most popular market.
>>47105256
Also, I just want to point out that a lot of their viewers come from mixed gender collab that only a few stars do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47128752
Axel is currently propping up the entire branch cause of Vsaikyou

[Anonymous No.]

>>47127812
>Myth with record lows each passing day
G R I M

[Anonymous No.]

Kaida has a full on sex slave outfit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47107301
chronoir was formed as fujobait there is no doubt about that. Kanae is very effeminate and Kuzuha is a skinny vamp boi. Lots of comedian duos do fujobait to kickstart their career.

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>>47137621
I find it weird how hard Cover tries to blur the line between the two because it just hurts Stars in the end. Sure you can get a tourist heavy mixed collab but it starts eating into the Star's core audience the more often it happens.

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>>47139135
chronoir doesn't do classic fujobait though, they're genuinely just really good friends and their interactions show that they're the closest to each other. sure you can say the MVs are fanservice but it's their interactions that make the ship work so well. also their unit was formed because they wanted to do various activities together (idol ones included)
they also have individual fanbases though (both male and female) so the ship isn't the only thing that they have going for them

[Anonymous No.]

>>47127812
I will never care about, or give as much attention to HoloEN as I did pre Tempiss. It’s that simple. Doesn’t help that they spent a year just on these fags which does nothing for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47126639
The very little pushed unity just from whoever the faggot Omega’s twitter was run by as well as ending the collab band early just for Mori to play with new toys has cemented me as a permanent anti for any and all Holostars. Nijiniggerbros, you guys are all alright though.

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>>47105256
They are the hololive of Japan for male vtubers while hololive dominates with females in Japan

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>>47105256
They generally have less restrictions than any streamer at Cover, which helps put immensely when you're a man. A girl streamer can just play some shitty game or just do a zatsu and get paid. Men don't have that luxury until they establish a solid fanbase. With that said, male vtubers will always be inferior and less fun to watch than normal dude streamers. Male vtubers are still relatively pointless.

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>>47145670
The only reason i started watching vtubers is because i didn't like fleshtubers to take up a quarter of the screen. Mayuzumi was better when he was a vtuber.

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>>47126639
It'll be worse if Tempus 3 comes out before or shortly after EN3. Tempus 2 was already getting people pissed off even on the subreddit since it seemed they were doing Niji style ACCELERATE for the guys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47145670
I mean, I'd rather watch an anime dude than a 3d dude. 3DPD applies to both sexes.

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>>47105256
Because they don't networking. So they are stuck with their hardcore audience only (which btw doesn't want to share and barely help yo promote them). That is the reason why Roberu was for a long time the most popular member of the branch and the reason of Astel recent incline. Because both hace breaking of the bubble of the brand and put themselves in the outside to the public.

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>>47147625
I rather watch 3d male streamer, they more fun with reaction and malding.

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>>47105256
>Fans don't like it when they branch out from their usual content
>Doesn't like it when they try to change something because "muh comfort content"
>Refuses to share and comment lives and doesn't want to use official tags because "I'm shy"
>Gatekeeps Holostars content that could probably help them gain new viewers
>Goes into rage when they "banter too much" with each other so much so that Astel limited his Holostars collabs and Uyu had to change his pattern of speaking to not annoy other members' fans
>Community is heavily gatekeep-y and shuts out new viewers or possible new fans because they have strict guidelines among themselves

Aside from the initial perception, branding, and Stars refusing to initiate collabs. Most Holostars fans are retarded and refuse to help them grow.

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>>47105256
Did you know Astel removed "Holostars" from his twitter bio? Because he outright said people won't watch if they see he's Holostars, and he has new viewers showing up expressing surprise he's a part of that group and even his collab partners going "aren't you an idol?" whenever he acts too crazy. People associate the brand with male idols and think they're just male Hololive instead of a normal group of dudes, so they won't give them a chance.

And then you have their own company audience who were cultivated and grown to enjoy female idol vtubers, so they don't care about Holostars either. It doesn't matter that they were featured to 100k people on New Years, that audience isn't interested even if reception to their performance was positive.

They literally cannot win. Especially when Nijimales already captured the female demographic while Holostars were still recovering from Cover breaking their legs at debut. Their only chances are networking outside, but it's more than just collabing with people outside, you need to grab hold of a group, like Roberu did with Tamaki's group or Astel with the FPS crowd, and you have to do it consistently or get lucky to go viral, and most of the members just aren't interested in doing that. People fault them for that but Hololive is pretty insular too, but at least they have their own huge audience, an audience Holostars don't benefit from.

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>>47148232
>muh networking
One of the top male Niji literally avoid interacting with everyone except the same 3 people that he has been collabing with since 5 years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47151531
One member of a branch of like 70 people is okey. When 14 of 17 do it, is terrible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47127812
pretty sure that has more to do with HoloEN's biggest star becoming a part-timer and EN vtubing as a whole going into a decline

[Anonymous No.]

Kagami Hayato's roommate is so fucking hot I want him to violate my pussy T_T

[Anonymous No.]

>>47105256
>Now that the dust has settled
kys, I didn't even read the rest of the sentence or look at your image

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>>47105256
To this day I have no idea who the Holostars are supposed to be for. Say what you want about Luxiem, at least they fit into the basic yaoi archetypes.

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>>47145670
I feel like being a male vtuber would be great for the exact kind of heavy kayfabe roleplay that doesn't bring any views. Like if I did this I'd love to LARP as a mecha pilot; I mean really, -really- LARP, but there is no way that doesn't leave you as a 1view.

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>>47150411
Don't forget shutting down any criticism towards the boy no matter how small it may be and if it's genuinely good and well intentioned criticism.

[Anonymous No.]

>OP pic is japanese Vtuber
>LUXIEM LUXIEM LUXIEM TEMPUS TEMPUS

[Anonymous No.]

>>47150411
Sounds like the english-speaking NijiJP fanbase before NijiEN.
>>47150591
>associate the brand with male idols and think they're just male Hololive
Nah. Holostars are associated with being boring. Astel is going on the right path by getting into the JP FPS community. He's got the right game too with APEX.
>>47105256
They're more entertaining than Holostars which isn't hard to do.

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>>47156129
You say you want to LARP as a mecha pilot but have you actually thought about exactly what kind of content would you do? You gonna just lets plays of mecha games and pretend you're the MC in them? You gonna just do zatsus and talk about what you did with your mech? What kind of content can you actually do if you're heavily LARPING as a mecha pilot in the long run?

[Anonymous No.]

Holostars should just go full brotuber.

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>>47147284
The whole thing with Tempus 2 is that they had 6 people ready when the first 4 debuted. One of them was Flayon since he was the gorilla manager, but I don't the other. Honestly they should've just debuted the six of them instead of pushing 8 in six months when EN3 was due for over a year at that point, and both the first gens of HoloJP and StarsJP had 6 members so it wouldn't feel much weirder than a 8 man gen like they did with Tempus. But yes, It doesn't matter when EN3 debuts, if Tempus/StarsEN3 debuts shortly after them people question will why it took possible 2 years for one but much less for the other, and if they debut before EN3 it'll be an even worse shitshow than it was in January. I sure hope they don't try to be funny next to any of the other ENs birthday, ESPECIALLY Gura's, because last time they did that it was close to Watson's and with the subreddit locked down nobody was allowed to create threads about it and a lot of them complained, but I feel like if it happened close to Gura's the storm would be much more destructive.

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>>47150591
And even their assumptions of Hololive are wrong, at least with JP and ID who are much more unhinged than EN. But yeah, as >>47125922 talked about they shouldn't have had the "Holo-" suffix attached to the name of the branch, especially when literally no one under the sun calls Hololive "LiveJP/ID/EN" but they call Holostars "StarsJP/EN". Now you have this paradox that Holostars is Hololive Productions but they aren't Hololive, they'll rarely if ever be present on Hololive events, will barely share the publicity of Hololive and are forced to live with the Holo name when they don't gain anything from it.

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>>47127369
Just this one time I will cut off my nose to spite your face. It's just that they (the girls, the fans, the management) are all garbage. As for the second reason, Ame and Kiara have degraded HoloEN as a whole with their scuffed VR shit, JP girls didn't need to do something like that because they are not uncharismatic whores.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47139135
lol. do people in these threads even watch streams? even togabito fujobait more than chronoir

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>>47105256
They did it first

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>>47166233
>degraded HoloEN as a whole with their scuffed VR shit
It's not just the VR shit, it's VR streams that ALWAYS have technical problems and are delayed for almost an hour after their scheduled time. At some point people just stopped giving a fuck about them because they always end in the same way and aren't that fun to begin with after the novelty wore off.

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>>47105256
are hey?

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>>47168908
This. People underestimate the impact that having male vtubers since the very first group had to the overall perception of them from the audience compared to Cover debuting their male branch almost 2 years after they became a vtuber company. Same thing happened with the EN branches to a lesser extent, and even if difference is much less absurd I still don't see any StarsEN member being able to reach Vox's number at his highest point.

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>>47166386
No they don't. Touya is their brotuber because he's a lolicon lolicon, who likes loli and he's the cunnychad (anything else doesn't exist). Meanwhile, chronoir dare to exist as a unit, so hours of Apex and LoL of autism don't count

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>>47154595
this would be a valid observation if the girls who collab with tempus weren’t declining hard while the girls who have never collabed with them are doing the same as always (except gura but her decline is due to her being lazy like you said)

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>>47174854
That's not the full picture. Only Kronii and Ame really took a hit and they're also the only two that had menhera meltdowns over Tempus (the same can be seen with Vesper, who's viewership was steady until his meltdown). Bae remained the same and even inclined recently. Calli was steady until her recent decline. She's had some low number streams sprinkled throughout Tempus' lifespan, but those were almost exclusively shit games until March/April. Even now, most of her low viewership is during Persona and for some reason Resident Evil. Irys on the other hand also declined despite refusing to even say their names, but I don't watch her and apparently she had a personality shift after the redesign.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47105256
China

[Anonymous No.]

>>47127369
kek

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>>47160172
>Sounds like the english-speaking NijiJP fanbase before NijiEN.
Pretty much, except with the Stars it's both the JP and English ones, which only makes things more difficult for the JP boys.
>>47148232
>which btw doesn't want to share and barely help yo promote them
It was honestly funny seeing the /stars/ thread realize and finally accept just how much their autism was hurting the boys when management ended Starskore and fear of "downsizing" became real.

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>>47155218
>Kagami Hayato
Why did you lie to me? He’s kinda ugly...

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>>47125159
whats the timeline here anyway? did miyabi debut when hololive transitioned to the idol (no male) shit? all of the earlier girls collabed/leeched off of nijimales so having a male branch should've okay. im confused.

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>>47105256
They are unironically the JP brotuber you faggots are asking for

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>>47160172
>They're more entertaining than Holostars which isn't hard to do.
Nijicope. Nijimales are literally fagots constantly pandering to SEAfujos and female bugs from china.

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>>47181047
Miyabi debuted in early June of 2019 and the heavy push for the idol stuff came after since SSS was released in September of the same year. At that point .LIVE's Idol Club was still the big vtuber group that catered to the idol audience but their collapse came around SSS release, I believe in October, and after it a lot of their audience started watching Hololive. With that timeline you can see how even before Cover started pushing the idol angle the fans were hostile to the idea of male vtubers under the Holo brand, but I don't know why they were fine with the Nijimale collabs. Maybe because a male idol carries a certain stigma while the Niji dudes were just streamers who happened to be vtubers, or if you want a schizo rrat it could've been Nijifags who didn't want Cover to debut competitors to their oshis so they anti'd the Stars early on.

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>>47181965
That's the Niji"""EN""" males, the big NijiJPs have a mostly jap audience. And it's true that they're just way more entertaining than the Holostars, I know this board likes to pretend the JP Stars are good as another way to shit on Tempiss but really the biggest reason why the Stars don't do well is because most of them are autistic retards who don't even try to make good content. The only two homos who've managed to incline have done so by largely ditching the rest of the branch and collabing with other vtubers who aren't fucking retarded, and the shitty crabs in a bucket Holostars fanbase hates them for it.

[Anonymous No.]

Well i would say that they're pretty successful judging by how many bait threads they get.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47105256
They don't have the stigma of being completely unwanted by a largely male fanbase that is there for cute girls alone. Look at how Miyabi was treated and tell me hololive audience was asking for dudes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47154595
Decline could have been avoided if they debuted EN3 though. But seeing the current state of HoloEN i doubt pre Tempus HoloEN will be any good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47142525
>>47166386
To think people are willing to lie about chronoir just because they hate holostars
unreal

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>>47184388
did you misunderstand my post or something? i never denied chronoir being an unit fujos enjoy, but if you compare how they act with each other to nijiEN tier 'gay for pay' forced as fuck pandering, it's like night and day.
and i don't hate holostars although i don't watch them, i think most male vtubers on the jp side are alright.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47182779
>And it's true that they're just way more entertaining than the Holostars
I don't watch holostar but what makes them different from NijiJP males? I don't really see much difference in content

[Anonymous No.]

>>47179875
>/stars/
More like the sea femoids on twitter finally realized that, but they've plaguing the thread since early 2022 so might as well be the same people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47185014
They're not bad but extremely insular, which is something the fans also promote. Basically they act like most of Hololive acts but without the established audience the girls have, with only Roberu and Astel really pushing their names outside of the Holosphere while the rest either doesn't do it enough or even at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47185014
At the end of the day all vtuber content is the same, it's all the same 5 games everyone else is playing, zatsudans and karaoke. The problem with the homos is that most of them are just not very charismatic or entertaining, and some of them are downright retarded when it comes to managing their content. I hope Astel can keep his current incline going because he seems like a cool guy all things considered but I fully expect him to go back to spamming 8 hours of solo LoL grinding everyday once this year's Vsaikyo is over. Izuru is another autist who has been spamming so much solo Valorant on Twitch while being almost completely silent that even his hardcore fans can't put up with it anymore. Then you have shitters like Aruran who has been trying to be a charismatic talky dude for like 4 years but still can't hold an interesting zatsu collab without sounding awkward, forced and obnoxious the whole time. Most of them are just not very entertaining streamers in general.

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>>47168908
Pretty much. Yeah, there are other factors at play but it all comes down to how Nijisanji JP had way more time to develop both a fanbase receptive of men and a mixed gender image. Hololive Productions as a whole would be insanely different today if the first Holostars gen had debuted back in 2018 and not two months before sankisei did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47166386
>do people on 4chan watch male, Japanese language vtubers
No, of course they don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47182680
Didn't help that at around that time Holo's third gen, THE "no males" gen, also debuted and attracted even more of those fans and became really popular and succesfull with that model.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47185618
>>47185612
I never got into holostars because none of their designs appealed to me. I don't really believe the difference in entertainment and content is that big, some nijiguys also spam LoL and Valo and are doing fine
I'm also always surprised to see how huge their english subbed clips are compared to nijimales, who barely go other 10K aside from chronoir

[Anonymous No.]

>>47186927
They spam these games but they network outside of their own circles, not to mention Nijisanji has a similar thing Hololive has where you can grow by just interacting with your coworkers, which is something that Holostars will never have even if Cover tries to push for HoloPro unity. Astel only started growing when his name became recognizable in Apex circles, including being known to actual pro-players, and Roberu grew his audience by a lot after all those collabs with Mea and Tamaki. Meanwhile the rest of the members stay in their bubble or they just don't understand why these 2 grew up in the first place so their attempts have been pretty much a failure from the get go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47105256
>how come Nijimales are much more popular than anyone in holostars?
Because nijiniggers like being cucked. Hololive is an idol company, it's demographic is people who like idol culture. People who like cgdct, wholesomeness, girls acting seiso, etc. Nijisanji is basically just normal people with vtuber avatars. They don't act like anime characters, they don't appreciate japanese culture at all, I don't even know why they're vtubers honestly. Hololive shilling for males would be like if Eminem started doing rock, or opera or something. Even if he was okay at it, nobody fucking wants to hear it, just do what your best at.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47187253
>girls acting seiso
??????
>normal people with vtuber avatars
????????
>don't act like anime characters
???????????????

[Anonymous No.]

>>47186927
The designs don’t appeal to me personally because i’m not gay, that’s the issue with male vtubers, you watch vtubers at least partially because of their model, and if you don’t give a flying fuck about male models then why wouldn’t you just watch malefleshtubers, there’s 1000 times more of them so statistically, there are gonna be more of them who are actually funny and entertaining

[Anonymous No.]

>>47187396
Hololive girls are super seiso especially in comparison to niji, at absolute worst, they yse innuendos to get their point across and avoid getting into the dirty details, meanwhile nijisanji talents love talking about cock and pussy with no filter whatsoever

[Anonymous No.]

>>47187478
I ended up watching nijimales with models who don't appeal to me at all because I found them funny, same thing with some female vtubers, because it's not all about the model.
>>47187222
Even if they tried to interact outside they'd just be called leeches anyway
>>47187253
retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>47187709
>Even if they tried to interact outside they'd just be called leeches anyway
Do people call Roberu a leech? Or Astel? They get called leeches when they try to get some bigger vtuber to show up on their channel for numbers while they offer nothing in terms of entertainment.

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>>47187253
>>47187569
NijiJP males are nothing like the NijiEN ones.

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>>47187709
>Even if they tried to interact outside they'd just be called leeches anyway
That's just the way the game is, but it's better so swallow your pride and accept this fact if you want to grow than stay inside your bubble and expect a miracle to happen. Early Hololive also collabed WAY more frequently with outsiders because they didn't have the gigantic audience they have nowadays, and that helped them a lot early on so if Holostars doesn't want to stay in 3view hell they have to do something similar or just accept they'll stay there forever.

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>>47187569
>meanwhile nijisanji talents love talking about cock and pussy with no filter whatsoever
Have you ever watched nijijp streams? Or heard only about SKB?
>they yse innuendos to get their point across and avoid getting into the dirty details
They constantly sexualize their actions (swimsuits on stage, dancing like a striptease), focus on ass and pussy during 3d. Is this normal and not whoring?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47189021
>focus on ass and pussy during 3d
Holy cope sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>47193192
Y-yeah, just ordinary innocent girls who don't do anything obscene

[Anonymous No.]

>>47150591
>while Holostars were still recovering from Cover breaking their legs at debut
That fucking Hashire cover...

[Anonymous No.]

>>47194219
qrd?

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>>47189021
>Have you ever watched nijijp streams?
They obviously don't.