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>all it took was some collabs with holo girls to make the homos rapidly inclinewhy didn't they do this years ago?
>>47064048listen if they want to be cocksleeves and ruin their golden opportunity their choice, just also do cute collabs with ORKyS on the side they sorely need fresh meat (sorry fauna) to play with.
https://twitter.com/OffKaiExpo/status/1645457197382488069?t=zVuDCAivWeMhHSYHfgEaPg&s=19Vtuber convention btw
>>47064048There's gonna be 100% one that does that. At the very you'll have someone who does what Bae does and lists stars in her favortie vtubersThinking this I am cringing imagining some girl debuting and saying "Bettel-senpai" is her oshi.
>>47064008"boy-focused", as in, boys are the subject matter, not the target audience.
>>47064124>OTKi find it funny that you used otk as an example when the minx drama was the result of otk shipping that went horribly bad
Mumei's slowly closing the gap. Can she make it?
* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *>97,308: Pekora (Hololive)>91,365: Akina (Nijisanji)>55,772: Marine (Hololive)>42,409: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)>35,437: Toya (Nijisanji)>30,216: Hal (Neo Porte)>28,533: Miko (Hololive)>23,938: Kanata (Hololive)>21,928: Shion (Hololive)>19,979: Lamy (Hololive)>19,175: Roboco (Hololive)>17,409: Kiara (Hololive)>14,209: Lauren (Nijisanji)>13,964: Koyori (Hololive)>12,802: AZKi (Hololive)>12,786: Nerumero (Indie)>11,799: Luca (Nijisanji)>11,446: Laplus (Hololive)>11,392: Chihiro (Nijisanji)>11,162: IRyS (Hololive)
>>47064279Trying to bring shit from last thread, heh. Everyone replies after is certified faggot
>>47064279Sure. And that's why Aruran is currently rapidly inclining. Oh wait...
>>47064290see>>47063943
>>47064331>APRIL 2023 GOLDS1) Toya (Nijisanji) - 56,531 - Genderbent stream2) Hal (Neo Porte) - 110,960 - VSaikyo 5 landmark lottery3) Pekora (Hololive) - 95,630 - Puyo Puyo Tetris 2 w/Suisei4) Chiroru (Indie) - 32,268 - Hanshin Tigers vs. Hiroshima watchalong5) Miko (Hololive) - 62,251 - Puyo Puyo Tetris 2 totsu6) Okayu (Hololive) - 70,189 - New outfit reveal7) Ponto (Nijisanji) - 66,820 - 3D debut8) Miko (Hololive) - 38,482 - Minecraft9) Ryushen (Nijisanji) - 78,299 - Smash Bros. Tournament10) Pekora (Hololive) - 97,308 - Puyo Puyo Tetris 2 tournament draw>PER COMPANY5x: Hololive3x: Nijisanji1x: Indie, Neo Porte>PER STREAMER2x: Miko, Pekora1x: Chiroru, Hal, Okayu, Ponto, Ryushen, Toya>2023 GOLDS>PER COMPANY76x: Hololive17x: Nijisanji4x: Indie2x: Neo Porte1x: VSPO>PER STREAMER29x: Pekora9x: Marine6x: Miko5x: Toya4x: Subaru3x: Hololive, Mio, Okayu, Suisei2x: Chiroru, Hal, Koyori, Kuzuha, Lamy, Nerumero, Nijisanji, Towa1x: Aqua, Ayame, Choco, Gaku, Gura, Himawari, Hinano, Ina, Kiara, Mito, Mori, Nozomi, Polka, Ponto, Roco, Ryushen, Shion, Watame, Yashiro
grim
>>47064352Would be really funny if he did, would be extra funny if vesper also followed
>>47064299Just another one to avoid then
>>47064290>800 person conSurely you can get something better dude
>>47064289>>47064290
I don't think we're getting EN3 but if we do there's very little chance of them being upfront about male collabing, it'd kill their growth. I know Yagoo is retarded about the homos but surely he's aware of that.
>>47064419Would be even funnier if every homo followed this
>>4706441110k quite good for EN.
Imagine if one of the EN3 girls does a homo collab first after her collab ban expires
>>47064479Sounds really unhinged and chaotic
>>47064048Hopefully at least one will not acknowledge homos so we can compare their numbers, although I think popularity right after debut is a bit random.
>>47064419And Cover would deserve it for being stupid enough to even try with HolostarsEN.
>>47064352Oh I hope it happens.Imagine the face on Omegay when Vesper and Magni decided to not extend their conyract and go full Lando and Twitch circle
Youtube algorithm hates Hololive, based on this pic.Also, the malding about the bar graph is so pathetic. I am totally disappointed. I expected better during the EU hours.
>>47064290He’s going full Mori
>>47064458People have been saying "Cover isn't retarded enough to do that" for the past 8 month now...
Reminder that Fauna is a talentless hack. The fact that she has incline to be #3 in ccv in the EN branch should show you how fucked up western vtubing is. I beat hololive regrets hiring her, that attention she is getting should be going to much much MUCH more talented vtubers even within her own company. Vtubing would be better without her
Everyone sold out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xT0x_mBrxYYouTube finding new ways to fuck with Hololive
>>47064577>>>/hlgg/We love fauna here
>>47064458Yagoo nor management care about unicorns.
>>47064495It will 100% happen
>>47064595thats not a hololive only thing since a lot of youtubers have also been hit with that since january anon
>>47064577>Reminder that Fauna is a talentless hack. The fact that she has incline to be #3 in ccvkek, I'll just take that as a very tsundere kneel and post the more appropriate image for you
>>47064327It's not slow at all anon. Mumei has been rocketing upwards.
>>47064048if they never do it, what's the problem?
>>47064458>surely he's aware of that.Just like he was surely aware that fanbases for both don't overlap and he wouldn't make something retarded like debut overlap ban.
I want to tag NotMagni offKai collab to Hololive tag.Is it possible to make a subtle notMagni offKai thread on reddit?
>>47063573I see...>>47063874Rude.
>>47064526But are they not doing better now than their old account? Why would they throw away free money?
*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*>4/10 DAILY TALLY15,972: Kiara (Hololive)11,799: Luca (Nijisanji)11,162: IRyS (Hololive)7,841: Baelz (Hololive)6,716: Selen (Nijisanji)5,325: Mori (Hololive)>EN GOLDS FOR APRIL 20231) Baelz (Hololive) - 10,729 - Unarchived Karaoke2) Mori (Hololive) - 19,768 - Outfit Reveal3) Baelz (Hololive) - 9,749 - Q Remastered4) Mori (Hololive) - 24,195 - Birthday Stream5) Kronii (Hololive) - 12,994 - Minecraft6) Sonny (Nijisanji) - 13,826 - Birthday Karaoke7) Kronii (Hololive) - 21,845 - Uno (w/ Mori, Magni, Vesper)8) Selen (Nijisanji) - 23,498 - PuyoPuyo Tetris 2 Tournament9) Mumei (Hololive) - 43,634 - Outfit Reveal10) Kiara (Hololive) - 15,972 - Easter Collab>PER COMPANY8x: Hololive2x: Nijisanji>PER STREAMER2x: Baelz, Mori, Kronii1x: Sonny, Selen, Mumei, Kiara>POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)11p: Baelz, Kronii10p: Mori, Mumei9p: Luca8p: Sonny6p: Kiara5p: Selen4p: Fauna3p: Ina, Vox, Kotoka, Mysta1p: Axel, Amelia, Elira, IRyS
>>47064595WHO THE FUCK WOULD CONFUSE THIS VERY SEXY VERY ONEESAN-LIKE ADULT WOMAN WITH A KID!?!?!?
>>47063324 Holostars fit the idol anime genre unironically. With their branch on the verge of shutdown the stars are giving it their all to save their branch and home and continue being idols. It lines up perfectly with shows like LoveLive who wants to save their school or even zombie land saga who wants to save their town. In the end were watching the holostar idol anime in real-life thinking about it like this it makes you want to cheer the stars on even a little bit.
>>47064712>But are they not doing better now than their old account?Not magni
>>47064676Because then you have a chat full of homobeggar that will just say "She said on debut she will collab with them" to justify their retardation
>>47064739>2023 EN GOLDS>PER COMPANY69x: Hololive29x: Nijisanji2x: Holostars>PER STREAMER11x: Mori8x: IRyS, Baelz7x: Amelia, Mumei6x: Vox, Fauna, Ina, Gura5x: Kronii4x: Kiara3x: Mysta, Pomu, Shu, Selen1x: Ike, Flayon, Alban, Elira, Luxiem, Finana, Millie, Luca, Regis, Enna, Rosemi, Hololive English, Ren, Sonny>2023 POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)80p: Fauna68p: Mumei67p: Mori66p: Baelz, IRyS62p: Ina56p: Vox54p: Amelia43p: Mysta37p: Kiara35p: Luca33p: Kronii30p: Gura23p: Selen17p: Shu16p: Pomu11p: Uki, Axel, Sonny9p: Millie, Enna, Ike8p: Finana7p: Regis, Elira6p: Rosemi, Ren5p: Flayon, Alban, Luxiem, Hololive English4p: Vesper, Fulgur3p: Hakka, Magni, Kotoka1p: Meloco, Shinri, Gavis, Maria, Pippa, Nina
>>47064684Search his video about the ideal vtuber. And then use that video to link him to that offkai thing. You may be able to post it on virtual youtuber reddit but not on holo.
>>47064712I mean considering that stars is probably gonna get the exid/kr treatment from cover its not surprising that they will jump ship before that happens
>>47064676Look at the disgusting homobeggars in IRyS and Fauna's chats day in day out because IRyS was very delicate with her words when she turned them down once and Fauna never outright denied them. How much worse would it be if they came out and said they'd be open to the collabs?
>>47064684Try the Coco way, "for no reason at all, here is a post of a cute boy that loves the Holostars participating at OffKai"You'll get banned but it gives you enough plausible deniability for not getting banned on sightYou can even drag them into a discussion with>so, it was fine when it was "a certain dragon" but not him?!?!
>>47064745Remind me the part in Love Live where Muse was trying to desperatly leech from A-rise?
>>47063324Holostars fit the idol anime genre unironically. With their branch on the verge of shutdown the stars are giving it their all to save their branch and home and continue being idols. It lines up perfectly with shows like LoveLive who wants to save their school or even zombie land saga who wants to save their town. In the end were watching the holostar idol anime in real-life thinking about it like this it makes you want to cheer the stars on even a little bit.
>>47064411remember when gorillaz won cripple gold
>>47064859There's a difference between idol story and parasite
>>47059020Added to the Nijicope numbers list.
>>47063324Holostars fit the idoI anime genre unironically. With their branch on the verge of shutdown the stars are giving it their all to save their branch and home and continue being idols. It lines up perfectly with shows like LoveLive who wants to save their school or even zombie land saga who wants to save their town. In the end were watching the holostar idol anime in real-life thinking about it like this it makes you want to cheer the stars on even a little bit.
>>47064585is it actual Indos blowing a month worth of wages to get 1 min to talk with them or is it Kaigai hoping to pull them out of Indonesia?
>>47064859>>47064933Chill with the bot
>>47064745kek.I remembered a Love Live episode where u's used leeched off a venue from a prestigious school.
>>47064944bothim going just for risu and kaela
>>47064859Did I miss the season where Muse barged in and tore apart another idol group and still died off anyway?
I see the numbers thread is still the title holder of "dumbest thread in an already very dumb board".
>>47064961my hag wife <3
>>47064993godspeed groomer-san
>>47065015no u
>>47064961cute slow brain and even slower hands Koyote
>>47064352A StarsEN graduation would be a very funny shitshow. With Sana and C*via there was a good number of people that *pretended* to care. With homos? I'm not sure if they would find the energy.
>>47064941the closest thing that she can called 'collab with JP member'
>>47064762Interesting, thought he was like the others.
man, kawaii really lucked out by dodging the day of the EN connect concert why the fuck is connect on sunday instead of saturday anyway
>>47065121Towa...
So the stuff that was leaked a few month ago turned out to be true huh?
>>47064941do a song together for the love of god, mumei need someone good at mixing her voice while singing in japanese.
>>47064585Low volume
>>47065121Louis...
Someone made an RPG for council. https://twitter.com/IMKebbie/status/1645092206783389697
>>47065015rent free
>whole of tempus gen 1 graduateswho gets fired?
>>47065132no he's a little more successful that his vtuber persona
>>47065117Reddit will. For like a day
>>47065238A-Chan.
>>47065238stop dreaming, it's starting to look pathetic
>>47064290>ZA BOIS turned out to be a bunch of fucking leeches and sjwsugoithis was what /vy/ was expecting out of hololive en when coco debuted
>>47065238Vesper
>>47064859True but the anime they fit is Zombieland Saga, season 1 to season 2 first episodeSPOILERS AHEAD, CLOSE YOUR EYES IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ IT!>a ragtag bunch is brought together to save their town through the magic of idols with the goal of pulling a big convert in the biggest venue of the region>they advance, "failing sucessfully" and gathering all sorts of WRONG audience until they can actually book the venue>IT FIZZLES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT POPULAR ENOUGH AND THEY END UP IN HUGE DEBT AND HAVING TO WORK IN A FISHERY KNIFING THE GUTS OF FISHESMoral of the story (up until that point) is >no matter how much your loving fans love you, if there aren't enough of them you can't possibly aim for the big leaguesAs an aside: one funny thing about Zombieland Saga is that it introduced a WHOLE generation of weebs to idols, mostly because>the "hit by truck kun" meme in the first episode became VIRAL as fuck with ironic weebs>the show was not publicized as an idol show but as "comedy"And it happened at the same time Holos were making a name for being a very similar troupe, including with Suisei and Gen 3 singing one of their songs down the linehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wNSFmqhQsUAll in all>Holostars boys are tracking their same path to failure>Hololive girls succeed thanks to them zombies introducing a lot of weebs to idols
>>47065211That would be weird since it has the same volume as the luxiem thing that didnt even sell out
>>47064875>>47050474
>>47065238>Please talk about tempiss
>>47065177Yeah, ID fans tend to be the ones to leak mengen stream stuff.
>>47065207Do you have any good examples? This top hit in the search results wasn't all that impressivehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm2PX_F5BAs
Test
my cute wife
>>47064290Isn't this dude suppose to be injured? Is his injury not actually that bad?
>>47065342>someone bought up the possibility that magni might graduate soon>ask a what if question>anon gets ass mada tale as old as time.
>>47065238Why bring up this miracle of a timeline all of a sudden?
>>47065347Ah figuresI just found it funny that the niji intern was spamming the thread around that time saying that the leak wasnt real and that ExID mass graduating was just rrats
What’s with the influx of retards. Even pretending pekora isn’t mentioned by multiple comedians, idols business men etc on tv why would she have to reach outside the box. This is Hololive not Pekoralive every new fan brought in by every girl adds to the box and some of them get added to pekora viewerbase. Or are you literal retards so new you didn’t know she used to be a runt or that over 30k average wasn’t normal for her beginning of last year.
>>47065291Did they ever made another game like Rondo Duo ?
>>47064284>>47064299>>47064427>>47064479>>47064495>>47064504you guys sure do think about men a lot for how much you hate yourselves.
>>47065397wasnt it a back thing that only fucks you up when you sit for a prolonged period?
[:pasted:unique:Holostars:Tempus:incline]
>>47065371i just know that they fucking butcher her voice going for the vocaloid type, she has good lower tones that gets basically removed and with suisei that shit won't fly.
>>47065388the town bicycle
>>47065470idkwym but thinking about homostars quitting or killing themselves are pleasant thoughts.
>>47064712NotMagni's youtube channel is successful enough and he's not a menhera like Gura or Mumei. If he really wanted to he could leverage that more and make a living just off his youtube without having to deal with male idol reps or unicorns shitting on him. He wasn't joking when he said his main reason for joining was to make friends.
>>47065501Error 404: incline not found
WELL NUMBERFAGS!?
>47065470favorite content =/= self worth, not your hugbox
>>47064008He was classifying it from the perspective of the VTuber as opposed to the target demographic. You could have inferred this right from reading all of the entries in his post.
>>47065501>t.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkvrfn7XoYwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkvrfn7XoYwGOLD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkvrfn7XoYwMinecraft Monday, boys
>>47065558He honestly should quit as soon as possible, it's not worth hanging around getting targeted.
>>47065371He means in the cover produced stuff. Compare how she sounds in that video to how she sounds herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4upepd3jAUThey always make her sound like 3x more loli-like
>>47065558That's fine and all but I didn't ask
>>47065645Fuck off sapkek. This is a pro Tempus thread and your whore isnt welcomed here
>>47065238Fauna and Mumei for not collabing with da boiz.
I love Tempus
>>47065645>>47065683That doesn't look like a marathon>>47065573Yes. Definitely.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Gz-oG3bMU
>>47063673Bringing up geekjack is pointless the order will still be Gura, Ina, Ame, Mori, Kiara
>>47065645>>47065683UUUUUUUU
>>47065743Im glad you didnt include Gura because she will probably quit way before tempus does.
>>47064762He gets way more memberships and superchats and about 70% as many views.
>>47065470>mass replyer acting as if he's not a pathetic faggotneck yourself
>>47065573None of Gen 4 look like adults.
>>47065573Very true i love my sexy adult wife
>>47065121Chammers…
>>47065767>That doesn't look like a marathon....what? Why would it be?
>>47065812and he still makes way more in his own where he gets 100% of the cut anon
>>47065573Adults don't need the -tan honorific.
>>47065711You asked >are they doing betterThe answer is>Magni's youtube is successful enough he can make a career off thatIf that doesn't answer your question, well I'm sorry but I can't fix retardation.
>>47065706That's just sad...there's barely even any difference left between their voices beyond inflections, or whatever it's called.
>>47064035When was this a cope they always champion Suisei is the biggest homocollaber in the company that does weekly stars collabs and monthly songs with them. None of it is true but they talk about her like that. Suisei is in fact a whore
>>47065683>>47065645I figured she'd get tired of Minecraft Mondays by now
>>47065558Naah, the rrat was about Prof.Lando to join Mythic. No need for him to graduate from Tempus
>>47065883I'm not watching IRL homos, sis
>>47065857For Gold of course
Holobros...
>>47065977Can he not join? I thought rm stuff wasnt restricted besides vtuber activities if you could handle juggling it like shit even mori sells music on 2 different names.
>>47066039Who
>>47065977>Naah, the rrat was about Prof.Lando to join Mythic. No need for him to graduate from TempusHe would actually need to graduate if he wanted to join Mythic since cover is only ok with rm stuff as long as you dont join another corpo.
>>47065977So it's the same thing with NotLaplus?
>>47066059he probably cant considering mythic is a promotional company and him joining it would be grounds for conflict of interests
Ew, raid by homobeggars, abayo faggotsI hope homos can follow nijiExID lead
>>47065963Everyone can see her creation from the new town centre and while taking a ride on Hell coaster.She wouldn't be able to live it down to leave it unfinished now.
>>47066078would be a good deal for him, ride the rest of the holo contract and peace out
>>47065977Wouldn't that be illegal? Since that's mean that he's signed to two talent agencies, unless mythic is a completely different thing and even then I doubt cover would want any kind of unwanted precedent to get started. I know EN management likes to suck Tempiss cock but the actual higher ups would legit fire Omegay and his minions on the spot if they allowed something like that to happen.
>>47065977>Join Mythic with Prof.Lando brand>also part time TempusI couldn't tell if this guy a genius or clout chaser
>>47066078i thought people said it wasn't a corpo but some ad agency.if it's basically vshojo then yeah, he'd be fucked
chumcucks
>>47065977Where did that rrat come from? Any proof?
>>47066142Unicorns and Homobeggars are the same people>consistently bring the girls down>downplay lower tier Holos and those not within the /#/ realm>call actual gachikoi cucks and are proud of itThere's no difference between them outside hating homos and loving homos respectively. None.
>>47065939instead of breathing life into the vocaloid songs they kill the voices to conform them to the medium.
>>47066078>since cover is only ok with rm stuff as long as you dont join another corpo.Isn't it the same kind of deal as notMori and her small label, though? I figure if they greenlighted notMori then i don't see them blocking notMagni for doing the similar kind of deal.
>>47063538>>47063756I mean this shit could work well for regular gaming streams as well, and would be a much better "vibe" if they could stick to character and stream.Just imagine someone with avatar as pic related climbing LoL ladder or something, typing shit like -> Friends! Let us work together to win this game!and being unironically full-on positive throughout the entire experience, trying to salvage bad fights, trying to turn around the game even when far behind, never badmouthing anyone etc.And when on a losing streak, they could even pause the game and make a full-on Shounen dialogue> Kuh! I have tasted so much defeat... yet I will not give up! My goal is to <reach whatever rank> and I will NOT STOP until I make it! UWAAAAA! *clicks queue up again*No fleshie can replicate this type of shit without looking ultra cringe, but it works when it's an anime dude going for it.They can do the whole "full on keigo" for their senpais as well to keep the character going.There's a chance of it getting repetitive if you don't change it up from time to time though.. as mentioned in the first post, it's REALLY hard to make this type of character work in the VTubing world with a good balance.And of course, that's not the only character, there's the whiny types, the headstrong types, the quiet anti-hero types...Ultimately, the difference between male VTubers and male fleshstreamers comes down to the one thing that VTuber males have that fleshie males don't - Being able to play a character and a lore + storyline that you build for yourself.BUT at the same time, unlike fleshies who can just pop open a camera and stream as themselves, the male VTuber needs to put a lot of work into being the "character" that they are playing. Probably far more than the girls need to.And so far, there's just not been that many male VTubers that have been willing to put in all that work into their character...
>>47066177no its a promotional corpo which is a lot more involved than an ad agencybasically vshojo
>>47066171If he’s good enough at the latter, the answer is both.
Hi sisters. Do you approve of lolicons?
>>47065861Anon, when I say "way more" I don't mean twice. I mean like 10-20x more. Since his main YT channel is VODs he has no YT memberships. And he has no superchats, so it would just be his Twitch stream for those, and for Twitch metrics, well, I don't think he'll be graduating anytime soon. He'll just be doing both, like plenty of other HoloPro talents do.
>>47065977Mythic wasn't corpo based on Vei. It's like a legality team for sponsor. So yeah
>>47066241if it's basically vshojo...why do the girls from vshojo join?that's retarded.
>>47066218That would probably be more UMG’s concern.
>>47066218Not really since Mythic is more comparable to Vshojo but for everybody than a label company.
>>47066289>why do the girls from vshojo join?grifters together strong
>>47066218The label thing is more on UMG problem than covers when it comes to conflict of interests with regards to her while the mythic thing would be more on cover
>Pekora almost forgot Nene and Polka while doing the draws for gen 5Nepolabofags explain this?
>>47066218Mythic ain't exactly a small group though. Laplus was allowed to do her thing because she was the one who created the group so it falls under her own RM stuff. Cover has always been okay with double dipping but even they have their limits, hence I assume the change in their audition contracts about not being signed to another corpo when applying to them.
>>47066289>why do the girls from vshojo join?unironically more promotional and logistics support
>>47064762Very surprising, considering that pic rel is how he thought of Tempus early on.I remember there was a story going around that his old circle tried to leech off his Magni persona and he dropped them and stuff.I honestly thought he was like Noel, in that he had the money but he came into StarsEN to make actual friends.
>>47064495Ollie played overwatch with kawaii girls so crazy
>>47066218notMori is sign to like three contract atm, UMG, fakestar, and her twitch contract, I don't see why notMagni could do the same if they allow mori to do it
>>47066251I mean thats only if he doesnt join mythic
>>47065977what even IS mythic anyway? They seem to just be trying to stick their name into a lot of things, but are they just paying people to do that? what are they even about?
>>47066289kek that's basically a very bad look for vshojo when their top girls are joining other corpo to get more sponsorhip like nigga it's supposed to be your job in the first place.
i like mumei
>>47064504>Hopefully at least one will not acknowledge homos, although I think popularity on debut is randomOne council girl says she’s a fan of stars becomes a runt definitely need more research.
>>47066470Nah notmori with her label thing is a non issue for cover considering sora roboco and azki also has the same issue with bot their holo and notholo personasThe problem would lie if lets say notMori suddenly joins OTK or OTV
>>47066470maybe because mythic is not a record label company and is a promotional agency
>>47066152I just figured she'd stop making it a consistent thing and just do it haphazardly like everyone else does when they start things
Reading this thread just makes me realize they removed the filter that was banning that guy's nameI wonder when that happened, shit was fucking annoying since it would ignore spaces and fuck over perfectly normal sentences
>>47066490From what I understand, they're basically a PR/promotional agency. Basically like a sports agent.
>>47066522:D
>>47066633It's been a while.
>>47036465>three retards fight over a chicken nugget.
>>47064048ID3 already paved the way for it. Even Kaela said "I want to collab with all types of VTubers and even Youtubers" during debut like she was reading off her script.then again, most of her debut felt like she was reading a script
>>47066687Hi Amber. Did you already take your meds?
>>47064803how come Kaela never gets homobeggars then?
>>47066721>Kawaii is a black companyWTF you guys said they were the future just a few months ago
>>47066757The fuck is baegemite domination.
>>47066766The whole kawaii thing makes me question whether that anon who said that oceane was stabbed in the back by management due to being to popular to fast was right
>>47066727Kaela is pretty funny though. she doesn't have any problem to reply to homo when they're visiting her stream, but on normal circumnstances she seems to avoid any topic about them, even when answering any homobeggar scs
>>47066766>he fell for the intern's shilling their black companylollmao
>>47064303wasn't that just drunk shit? what did shipping have to do with it?
>>47066230I read your post and I'm immediately reminded of Aqua's APEX Solo Master journey. Never badmouthed the randoms that get matched with her, always try to keep a positive vibe, always give the benefit of doubt even when the one killing them were visibly cheaters, and voluntarily dying when a cheater got matched with her. That was brilliant and I felt pure happiness when she finally did it.
>>47066727which is funny considering she outright ignores any topic about the homos even from homobeggars
>>470645851mil idr for 4 min19.00-21.00 that mean 30 meet and greet per person30mil x 9=280 mil so around $18kno counting Fan Meeting and RSVPis this good?
>>47066871No no a lot of ex-HoloEN fans joined the fanbase in droves months ago.What happened?
>>47066621It probably helps that Kaela has been dumping resources on her
>>47066916Has she? I thought those logs she got herself. If that's the case, thanks Kaela.
>>47066874she was doing ok up until that shipping thing with schlatt ended due to their fans going full retard on each other with the grooming allegations which also made her increase her alcohol consumption by a lot which culminated in the table dive
>>47066982I-Is this my wife Koyo or Miguel el Neko?
>>47060387can you post the stats for the rest of VOMS?
>>47066915>ex-holoenfunny thing is that if you look at the names and check their profiles a lot of them are not pure ex holos but ex pre luxiem loe ex holos
>>47066621I mean she's unironically stubborn so it's more or less what you expected from her.
>>47066916Kaela is the creator mode cheat but instead of a debuff she create cute storylines with her senpais, Hololive minecraft is truly touched by the gods.They even got the giga-autist that in minecra becomes a giga-stacy this isn't fair kek
>>47065238Omega
>>47066883No solo journey comes even close to this
>>47065238Yagoo resigned
>>47067069Figures. Where will these fags go next? Idol? EIEN?
>>47067187ive seen a number of them hanging around in idol streams
>>47066665ok so they spend money on shit like promos... how do they make it back?
Is Tempus2 collabing frequently with Tempus1 or are they alienating themselves like the now graduated Gen3 from KawaiiI haven't heard anything from them other than that they're 3views
>>47067235probably with mythic exclusive merch and also a cut when and if one of them gets a sponsorship through mythic
>>47067255There's a period where there's at least one Tempus1-2 group collab per week. Not anymore now, i guess.
>>47066766As an outsider, Kawaii has been relatively professional in handling their - admittedly massive - yabs.Then again I'm not aware of the history of the company or the prior 2 graduations, so...
>>47067127>>47066982>>47066866>>47066772>>47066596>>47066494>>47065353>>47064961>>47064718I love Koyo's big fat tits and her genki hag personality that wants to please everyone
https://twitter.com/nanashimumei_en/status/1645515749195403264No mooms today
>>47067350EN3!
I hate all lamys
>>47067327I love Koyo's smooth armpits
>>47067350>AnnouncementFinally a holo graduation
>>47067350outfit ready?
>>47066490what is an ad agency about? mindshare.
>>47067407This time for sure sis
>>47066883That's the thing, the GIRLS are somehow barging in on niches like these that SHOULD be theoretically the territory of male VTubers.And they're somehow making it work as well.Aqua's character and activities are obviously not limited to Apex alone, but any male VTuber could do what she did with the right type of grind and incline to high heavens... it's just weird that only cynical "streamer in a chuuba suit" types like Kuzuha etc. are dominating the industry while niches like these go unfilled...
>>47067187Judging by the 3x3 thread, Idol or Phase
>>47067415Another one?
>>47067002ah, didn't realize there was history leading up to it...seems more like a drinking problem than a shipping problem from my perspective though
>>47067360Amber took her meds.
Stop right there! Show me your oshi /#/.
>>47067531Doesn't Mori do this
>>47067531same person
>>47067350>AnnouncementIt's gotta be outfit no? Or holotalk comeback?
>>47067531He full on got ignored
>>47067545this should be the non-huke papa one no? (the "sad" announcement one)
>>47067531these vultures are fucking everywhere holy shit
>>47067546she alays had a drinking problem but the drama/s and her recline to irrelevancy made it worse
>>47067309But that's even weirder, people like Asmon and Ironmouse would have no trouble getting sponsors with their existing personnel - right? Would they need a specialized org that takes their cut just for getting bigger sponsors?And have any of the mythic sponsorships even materialized yet, for at least some of the streamers?
>>47066843Torturing Hololive members (so far) with Vegemite, although MIKO ended up liking the stuff (Roboco fucking died in the 1st episode though).
>>47067350male collab incoming
>>47067590No it isn't you retard.
>>47067531based homoCHAD
>>47067531Kek nigga got ignored. but then someone brought up Tako and the topic now shifted to her
>>47067565
Saplings are so obnoxious
>>47067531whose stream is this anyway?
god.i know the girls just easily ignore the beggars but i hope one day someone just blasts on them.it's like they ignore the fucking rules that's ALWAYS THERE"don't bring up streamers i didn't mention or talked about"like it's there in the description.
>>47067646>But that's even weirder, people like Asmon and Ironmouse would have no trouble getting sponsors with their existing personnel - right?Not really, especially if they are thinking of moving upward and more mainstream sponsorships
>>47067531Why are you so obsessed with posting these guys when they're in every Holo chatJust ignore them
>>47066410I still remember early Vesper talking about how his dream is for him and "the boys" to move in together in a gamer house.
>>47067753Fauna's pre-chat. He literally brought Vesper up out of fucking nowhere because no one was talking about the homos
>>47067728Friendly reminder that this tranny is the reason why HoloEN-NijiEN collab possible.
>>47067531vespiies were watching fauna on her hitman marathon and helped her get 10kwho cares
>>47066230I'm trying to picture what you described in my head and I feel like it would still be cringe even with the vtuber avatar (imagine some EN dub voice like Flayon's). In order to pull this off you would also have to be supremely confident and in character all the time which would be exhausting. Remember that the hologirls don't actually have to roleplay a character all the time, they can just have slightly exaggerated versions of their normal personalities and play up their reactions. The closest real world analogue I can think of is some (probably black) hypebeast zoomer type dude but that guy can just be a fleshstreamer.
>>47067646Also Asmon is one of the higher ups in mythic andd mouse is not in mythic but in another company
>>47067808No one cares. Stop giving these retards any attention. It's literally always you posting them here.
>>47067814Not the Romeo and Juliet of VTubing?
I know why Gura doesn't stream, she's playing Apex!
>>47067738Get used to it, they raid and hijack the thread every day she streams.
>>47067791because there are some people here who likes to check if they did opsec reps or not and its funny seeing their social media getting posted and linked
>>47067565she sold out a lot
why some tranny shilling their flesh streamer's company?
>>47067864actually, it's very funny how Blue fag said it was him but then Kiara outrightly shat on him for claiming the first blood kek
>>47067255Pretty sure there was a Bettel/Magni off collab a few weeks ago.
>>47067938and ever since then they haven't mention each other once
It's been 5 hours, Porka really is trying, bless her heart
>>47067905SUUUUUUUPER 3DDDDDD
>>47067531Why was this mentioned in a Miko chat of all places?
>>47067965yeah, apparently the used to game together offscreen, with some of them being streamed too. Funny how there's 0 collab stream between them since then.
>>47064536Hololive being shadowbanned and dead in the algo has been known since autumn last year when vods started getting lower numbers out of a sudden despite ccv remaining the same or even inclining.
>>47067976SUPER FREEDOM THRUST!
>>47067590He sounds exactly like the average /vt/ poster
so their whole plan was >enter hololive>leech some naive fans>leave and join another corpo?
>>47064739So the cope from the IRyS antis was that her last karaoke streams only got decent numbers due to raids. Well this one is without a raid. I can't wait to hear the cope now.
>>47067922Blatant off topic discussion got started and wasn't removed so now we're here.To be fair though Mythic is relevant to vtubers since some of the VShojo girls joined
>>47068027I mean, imagine being Youtube headquarters seeing that the only thing on your platform that is having consistently high views including several 100k events per year are hags larping as anime girls.
>>47067590https://twitter.com/acidsammy101/status/1616695238290178050He's just like us bros...
>>47066039shadowbanned?no?then why post it?
>>47068026They had a ranch sim collab like 5 days ago
>>47068054something more narcist would it like >I'll improve this company with my ideasthen they fucked up and now are leeches
>>47066039this bitch is bigger than all vtubers combined
Pretty solid graph for 5 hours of Hitman.
>>47068148You mean retarded? Because it's literally her fault for it getting to that point btw.
>>47068034SUPAH???
>>47068203Jesus christ im going to have nightmares tonight
>>47068184Lol no. She's a 1 hit wonder living off fumes. Suisei might be bigger at this point.
>>47068203I've seen MMDs that are less stiff than that.
>>47068139i would be happyyoutube has a problem either becasue they are full of jealous women or people pretending to be women, or some chinkery involved. Might be both.
>>47067832with an "outsider" pov, I kinda get it... and yeah I was mostly picturing the whole thing in Japanese, it probably would be cringe when done in English huh...idk how else to convert the "shounen" genre into VTubing though... other than just having a male VTuber corpo that's just about holding monthly/bimonthly tournaments in various games that can form organic rivalries and shit.VSaikyou and similar tourneys arguably fill this role, but they're once in a year events and idk how regular streaming would even work with a "shounen" type character...
>>47068189Did she actually ditch Axel? He talked about doing a way out collab with her some time ago, but I haven't heard anything since
>>47064222tiddies>>47064242thighs>>47064331thighs (forma stick)>>47064388belly (erotic)
> open Moona stream> see thisMoona...
>>47068203>>47067976>>47068034Wait wait wait...Is an actual 3D stream and not some meme?
>>47068354delayed because he went to jap
>>47068417Nigga, it's been a year already wtf...
>>47068329Speedrunner grind, Nintendo+Souls is basically 100% coverage of all the heavy hitters, you can partecipate in races basically weekly, impose time barrier for you to break and get better, the only issue is that in a corpo you can't play randomizers.
anons, take it from someone who watches Magni and sometimes his membership streamsHe is NOT going anywhere, he never came to Holostar for fame or money so less numbers or more work doesnt matter to him... as long as he can do what he wants to do which is make friends, stream whatever he wants to and make music he is not going anywhere
>>47068324Or maybe they got paid to do so
Why is everything going to shit? Cover is not learning from the homo push at all, they're just doubling down over and over
>>47068417https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSG-Fs0cv0M8 months to be exact, feast your eyes to super
>>47068296wake me up when suisei gets a 100M song before you claim that she's bigger
>>47068433It look so shit I just thought it was just a meme
Uh oh she is angry
>>47068465sorry i prefer fruits
>>47068505I mean, it might as well be a live shitpost at that point except it was not, she's being serious about it >>47068477
>>47068440Would any Holo be capable of participating in a Link to the Past Super Metroid Combo Randomizer race?
>>47068612Not on their own channels, that's a mod.
>>47068548I'm going to smash this watermelon if you catch my drift.
>>47068612>in a corpo you can't play randomizers.and was a talk about eventual trope for male vtubers, multi (OoTxMM would be a banger) or even solo games randos are above the knowledge level of any holo debuted yet
>>47068443>and make musicDoes he even going somewhere with this? Because cmiiw but the only music content he ever produced was that sonic cover or something, right?
JP7 on the 27th.
>>47068440corpo chuubas wouldn't be able to play with hacked systems on stream.and well... what advantage does VTubing provide for a speedrunner anyway?their audience watch them for their skill, not for their avatar. And association with weebs might actually push out some of that audience with minimal gain as well.
>>47068768He does those unarchived music making streams with some tool and some covers with tempus
>>47066230There is a much better way to pull that trick off, but it takes MOTHERFUCKING LUNA LEVELS of holding character and never breaking it even once.Debut these five vtubers>one Goku expy>one Vegeta expy>one Frieza expy>one Trunks expy>one Broly expythen have then actually LIVE their characters on stream, all the time, 100% of the time including carrying with their rivalries, like Goku and Vegeta.Have them play smash against each other, setup a RUST servers and create turf wars, make it fucking WWE vtuber form.It might fail, but it would fail with absolute style
so we all agree that luna is the sexiest pink chuuba, right?
>>47067467>That's the thing, the GIRLS are somehow barging in on niches like these that SHOULD be theoretically the territory of male VTubers.A lot of CGDCT shows are labeled as shonen, anon. There's nothing preventing girls from having a good ol' battle shonen moment.Male VTubers just suck at larping in general. Like, I watched Vesper (before the whole artificial propping shit) and noticed he had the potential for this, but he adamantly refused to play any games that he wasn't competent at playing on stream. I remember one of his favorite games he would banter with the game acting all arrogant and smug until one of his decisions led to negative consequences and he play thise situations up. He could make a story of this, but he simply rejected the idea of being viewed as incompetent completely.
remember when mods banned the word lando
>>47068831It's mostly promoting yourself to others. Star End apex run was beyond successful as an example
>>47068951>>one Broly expybroly or space tarzan
>>47065558Nene is so great she streams so much
>>47068034>SUPER FREEDOM THRUST!AAAAAAAAAAAAAH! IT'S SUPER EFFECTIVE!>chains of slavery: BROKEN!
A male vtuber version of filthy frank could work out quite well.
>>47069007smogon could learn a thing or two
>>47068831it was just an answer to the shounen trope for male vtuber, the only archetype that i can see transfigured into streamer medium is a speedrunner. but as you said you would be barred from randos and romhacks, even kaizo are off-limits.as for games per se VC nintendo collection+souls games+minecraft is basically all the famous games to speedrun, the only new perm required would be livesplit.
>>47068951Disregard the homosholoX vs Council could've been kino
>>47069077Take me back to gen 6
>>47069075Anon, you already got Filthy Frank once. Like with the original one, it can only work for long enough, after that your sanity starts slipping
You nigga have the worst idea for a male Vtuber ever, just get some chunni dude who is actually into anime/manga and watch him work his magic
>>47069075in this current yt landscape? desu it's already hard enough to "localized" it to vtuber form before they even need to think about how to sidestep the yt bonks.
pokemon stopped being good after gen 3
>>47069114>vs CouncilOmega succumbed to power creep. HoloX vs. Myth could have worked but who the fuck can battle the personification of Time?>defeat Kronii>she rewinds time knowing how she got defeated>rinse repeat
>>47069168This but Hololive
>>47067657I think she said it was going to be all the girls that tried drinking the bitter melon juice after her collab with Oga at the studio.
>>47069156...you mean the 300view chuba machinima x flayon from HolostarsEN "Tempus"?
>>47069195This but My Hero Academia, and season instead of gen
>>47068951> then have then actually LIVE their characters on stream, all the time, 100% of the time including carrying with their rivalries, like Goku and Vegeta.Thing is... this style might not be around for much longer.With the advent of AI voices, we already have things like "Presidents playing Minecraft" and other silly shit like that, so it wouldn't be that long before "the DBZ gang play smash" became a thing through AI voices.Would be a lot of investment just to get upstaged by machines.
btw, how is my favorite severely reclining thread doing today?
>>47068329Why are you converting "shounen" though? Go for shojo/otome isekai. The single most popular archetype in OI is a dude with no personality or emotions, it shouldn't be that hard as a starting point.
>>47069083>kaizo are off-limitsYou still have the Mario Maker kaizos available
>>47069235it was never good
>>47069226Is that dude even actually like Mecha shit? Or is it a larp?
>>47069186Can't be harder than battling Death and 2 undying creatures
>>47068354Haven’t heard much after she got cucked by his manager on stream.
>>47069114Any sort of gen-based rivalry would be fun to do in games, but all the different scheduling conflicts is probably gonna be the biggest factor stopping such a project.Aqua's minecraft resistance arc was waaay back in 2019 or some shit, and it's remembered TO THIS DAY thanks to Sora's one liner that ended the whole thing.Four fucking years later.It also became a "Sora meme" which is very important for her mindshare.
>>47069364It also elevated her further as the untouchable
>>47068981> rejected the idea of being viewed as incompetent completelyI have the urge to tear my hair out when I hear shit like this... god, it's been 7 fucking years and the potential of this medium is nowhere CLOSE to being reached, and the people in the position to experiment with storylines and advance the industry do shit like this...
>>47068296>>47068499You are both exaggerating neither is bigger than the other. And she’s definitely not bigger than the organization Hololive or Nijisanji
what's Subaru's percentage in terms of gen 2's total stream hours?
>>47069242>so it wouldn't be that long before "the DBZ gang play smash" became a thing through AI voices.>Would be a lot of investment just to get upstaged by machines.It's not the voices, it would take a massive genius to write a script for machines to fuck up as good as the real deal can do.Take the most recent Miko zenloss and Nene role in rubbing some salt> Miko Zenloss in Her Own Trap, Nene Rubs Salt in Her Woundhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6ouP3ANgOcThere is zero way someone scripting the whole interaction could pull the same stunt as these two retarded cute pon girls can do impromptuNow replace "cute shrine maid" and "cute .... not-chinese bear from outer space(?)" with hero super sayajin and angry prince sayajin and you got a winning combo there.>FUCKING NOT-GOKU, I JUST LOST MY ELYTRA, GIVE ME YOURS!>FUCK YOU NOT-VEGETA, BATTLE ME FOR THE RIGHT TO FLY!
American hours are embarrassing holy shit
>>47069018That was specifically because it was a one time thing. Plus Startend were established characters entering another universe - a "crossover" if you will. Another anon made a point that crossovers between different media hit a very primal part of your brain, which explains the success of that entire arc.But it needed already established characters in the VSaikyou players, HAL, and Startend for it to work.You can't use crossovers to create/promote complete unknowns... that's just a leeching attempt, and most of the time the bigger fanbase will just go ??? when seeing the smaller one attached to it.
>>47065013>he really believes that's the reason Holo EN reclined.
>>47069340>DeathMori is not death personification but merely a shinigami, soul collectors are defeated very casually in various types of folklore, both eastern and western.>2 undying creaturesSame goes for phoenixes and eldrich priestesses, overpowered mortals can deal with them.Dealing with the warden of time? Mother nature? Yeah, good luck doing that without being a god yourself
This thread progressively gets more gay the further we get from Japanese streams. It might actually be worse then global and the ame general
KawaiiPro is doing their concert too close the HoloEN connect.
>shit people are ignoring my bait! I have the start getting more retarded each post!
>>47069292> mechakekhe likes VNs, especially romance types... just the thing that weebs relate withSpeaking of him though, I couldn't find any recent collabs on his channel, is he getting completely ignored from his genmates or smth?I can't remember any collab he's been part of since his Kobo collab either. And I don't think even Kobo called him back for round 2.
>>47069737>it's literally a day before holoconnectdefine "too close"
>>47069259You could argue that some stars are attempting that already though aren't they? Folks like Rikka, Izuru, Bettel etc.Granted the "no personality" thing is a hard sell when you're a streamer though. And I don't think that type of personality would be tolerable in large doses such as in streaming.We were mostly talking about all the niches that male VTubers have NOT touched since the beginning of the hobby, things that Holostars could potentially expand into, in order to incline.
>>47069737Is it free at least? How many people would pay for their concert?
>>47069805Just that. I know they can't move it and everything was set in stone before Cover announced theirs but it feels like bad timing.
>>47069737Not really. If anything, they timed it perfectly for Vtuber fans that might want to try and watch both simply because they're all happening during Anime Expo.
https://youtu.be/Jym_tYnB900?t=8106For those that missed it. Mori essentially describes Bae as one of Yagoos greatest finds and also ranks her as one of Hololives top singers overall. This is somebody who has been in a room with Suisei dozens of times singing right next to her. It's time you stopped underestimating the rat. She is one of the top talents in the company despite her young age. Where will she be with another few years of experience under her belt? Buy Rat coin before its too late.
>>47069737I mean...are they asking money for it? Otherwise, why does it matter?
Gen 5 is forgettable, if there is a Gen7 there much more chance of them having holox has an oshi than any of Nepolabo note that they dont even have any musically gifted members when each gen before and holox has atleast one.Atleast they have the best gen song and the most popular one by far so thats something.>>47066381
>>47069916>moriFuck of back to your general
>>47069750That's what you get when retards gift tons of (You)s to shit like the nonsensical NotMagni rrat
>>47069916>Buy Rat coini'd be better off buying stinkies
>>47069547kek but those two work because they're just "being themselves".Arguably they put on a wee bit of an exaggeration for streams, but even with that the base level at which these girls operate as "anime girls" is scary.And so far at least, we have not seen anyone from the male chuuba industry even get CLOSE to that level of embodying an "anime guy", no matter the character they are playing.
>>47069916Mori also really enjoyed Kiara's king cover
>>47069251Enjoying cunny
>>47070047kek
>>47069916>MoriDo you have someone more credible?
>>47070047Heh
https://youtu.be/Jym_tYnB900?t=9371One more timestamp. Mori putting IRyS and Bae in the same league as Suisei.
>>47069916Mori said that Suisei, Bae, and IRyS were the three best singers in Hololive. I wouod rank Risu up there with them personally but that isn't a bad list.
>>47070126>Bae, and IRyS
>>47066253Vshojo isn’t a Corpo either according to kson. Besides making a shell company to scam advertisers that want to use popular talents without the baggage from their names could kill twitch. Just like when youtube adpocalypse hit when companies started pulling all ads because a video about beating a dog didn’t sit right with an animal charity.That was just an example don’t know the actual advertisers that had problems but I can guarantee you any feminist company having their ads play on Mizkif stream a maybe sex offender or an ad for baby food while vei is ‘being herself’ might turn some heads. Unlike youtube where no ads might kill youtubers people would still be uploading stuff for free this however would kill twitch because they only have streamers that want money.YES I KNOW ADS ARE DIFFERENT FROM SPONSORS it could still cause a ripple
>>47070024Man, I could play Mr. Satan to perfection! I could live, breath and BE fucking Mr. Satan for the type of money vtubers pull.
>>47069916>Appeal to authority>Moriahahahahahanigger we've known how Bae sings for 2 years now. I don't hater it or think its bad but why would Mori's edorsement mean jack shit?
Funnily enough, you can smell the STENCH of the Faunaschizo on the bloke posting Mori propping up Bae.I for once agree that Bae is a rough diamond and that she could be one of the greats but the writing style denounces that faggot
>>47070126all this tells me is that mori doesn't listen to anybody else
>>47069916This year has made me go all in on Bae. She is everything this thread says they want in their "ideal EN 3 chuuba">pits out banger songs and goes try hard with them>Isn't shy about collabing with JP>Always comes up with refeshing and fun stream ideas>Streams regularly and oftenI'm all in on rat coin
for the record towa-sama is the best singer in hololive
>>47069861Well, the side joke is that "Duke of the North" is already a copypasta of every faceless male shonen protag, but without the hero's journey. And honestly, that's the stinging issue here - male shonen protags aren't really characters in their own right so much as they're a copy-paste template asian dude thrown into assorted situations for the reader to self-insert. Something something everything in the last ~5 years is some variant of "Solo doing all the things." A handful of male side characters exist, but they're woefully undeveloped as actual characters compared to shonen waifus (harem or monogamous) so there isn't much of anything to work with here....honestly, it's just weird that you can come up with a billion examples of varied and interesting girls across both shonen and shojo, yet all the dudes everywhere are homogenized to the point of getting lampshaded for being so homogenous.
>>47070024I think EN doesn't present the "anime girl" vibe to the level that JP does. If you watch Subaru play JRPGs, she absorbs the protagonist's personality and quite literally becomes that character. For example, her current Tales of Symphonia run, she reacts to shock or jokes with the same exact words the protagonist is about to use. Her ability to be a JRPG character is part of what makes her one of the best-performing JRPG-streaming vtubers. The JP girls are so good at pulling you into their world and there's nothing like that in the EN space right now.
>>47067777You think they could pull a nike sponsorship because it has to be that level to be mainstream
>>47070259okayu*
>>47069235
>>47070126She didn't rank them like that specifically. This was in context of her talking about the chadcast song. She said she would stick to the rapping parts because she would sound like shit compared to Bae and IRyS if she tried to sing. She said they are 2 of the best in Hololive along with Suisei.
>>47070286>she reacts to shock or jokes with the same exact words the protagonist is about to useIt's impossible for the ENs to do this as translators aren't human beings
>>47070241Too bad, she's tainted so she's doomed to low numbers, but at least I appreciate she was upfront with it and also been decent about it, except that one time (and even then she never shat on her audience like Kronii, Mori or Ame have).
Why did Kronii decide to sit her fat ass on Bae's timeslot when she used to stream later?
>>47069916Bae is actually a really great pick at the end of the day. She always trying to find new ways to deliver content with stuff like the jp tour and having jp girls trying vegemite. She a great example of what a homo friendly vtuber should act and be like. She organizes collabs with others and formed councilirys when hololive was going to leave irys alone. She has a great singing voice and was the best dancer at holofes. Bae also knows how to pull off GFE. Bae honestly reminds me a lot of Fubuki but for holoen and I won't be surprise to see her take that role in the future .
what, did ratcord decide to visit
>>47069916She is a shit entertainer, no amount of talent can fix that if she refuses to fix that aspect as a streamer.
>>47070107>my clique is the best in Hololivereally
>>47066766Yes the organization that would have just debuted Gen 3 where everyone except Nene was and still is a flop a few months ago is the future. I could never be so obsessed with a site i pretend to be a retard
>>47069660Well what are they going to talk about? Numbers?
>>47069660>global and the ame generalwhy'd you post the same thing twice
>>47070463One of the most consistent issues with councilrys is most of them repeatedly jump around timeslots. IRyS can pop up at 8, 10, or 11, Bae can pop up anywhere from 8 to 10, Kronii pops up at either 9 or 11, and Mumei is a wildcard.
>>47070551Yeah that's pretty much what I got from it lmao.
>>47070107Cliquemori...
>>47070427I watch her streams live and speak Japanese, no translators involved. Her stream chat sometimes spams "subaroido" ("Subaru" mixed with "Lloyd", the protagonist) for a reason. She's occasionally able to predict the exact Japanese words that the main character will say. That level of immersion is something you just have to experience and I don't think it exists in EN.
>>47066915>>47067069Do you know what alot is for people that watch niji or hololive? That would skyrocket any small corpo into 4 views or more. You’d think retards was a dying breed
>>47068981>but he simply rejected the idea of being viewed as incompetent completely.Now he's viewed as being incompetent for reasons completely unrelated to his gaming prowess
>>47070724I mean the squeenix translators for the game not the chuubas...
>>47070724>That level of immersion is something you just have to experience and I don't think it exists in EN.Are you sure about that?
>>47070472Honestly Bae being the EN Fubuki in a few years is a very real possibility. IF I was going to entrust 1 EN girl with the power to freely groom all the new generations of ENs to come it would be her.
>Bae backseat manager timeloopI've engaged in this myself on plenty of occasions but it's such a tired topic
>>47070283Well as I mentioned in the first post, shounen isn't the only genre out there.We can look for good character/design related stuff in older space operas as well.Is there anyone in the male chuuba industry that currently has a "German Millitary" type uniform and vibe to them? Like perhaps an older gentleman who uses extreme keigo and likes to play strategy games, and if Japanese, uses "washi" to refer to themselves.Or maybe something similar to Lelouch, young lanky overconfident lad that likes to play chess.Design wise there's so much variety in anime that has not been transferred over to VTubing, other than the occasional wacky Niji design like Chaika (which never really manifests in anything other than the design as well).Then again, sticking Lore-appropriate games can also be limiting, so idk how that type of stuff would work in the long run when they would have to play minecraft, Rust and other community-related games...This is probably where the "lighter touch" of just enough exaggeration to make it entertaining without going full in-character mode (Miko, Nene, Pekora etc.) could work... but since we have no frame of reference for it in the male VTuber world, how would that even look like?
>>47070472>>47070872Kek it's funny reading all these because Ame used to be a strong contention to be the "EN Fubuki". Well, until she's burnt out and decided to give 0 fucks, i guess.
>>47067885She got beamed definitely her
Chadcast had the worst Valentine "VN" scene views for a reason. It's a shame that is the most active group.Just another reason why HoloEN isn't that active and keeps declining when the most uninteresting group streams the most.
>>47070937All that made me think about was when I heard that Lumi is Phase dedicated RTS-chuuba
>>47067938Isla just off collabed with lua she so shy
>>47069442Welp, there goes the potential collab
>>47071070No... my holonascar...
>>47070987Fubuki is the perfect mix of doing homo collabs but not getting too close to them, light GFE once a month, gaming, and gimmick streams. Ame is a mess of a human being that can't even stick to schedule and can't hide her contempt for otaku men. She was never in the running to be EN Fubuki.
I don't want to engage directly, so I'm just going to say that Bae shares a few characteristics with Laplus; really makes it seem like Cover was specifically trying to find someone, for lack of a better word, special.
>>47071070Why is it so hard for young stars and athletes to just not do crimes. It's effortless, it's easy, it's fun, just stay home and be calm and let the millions stack.
>>47069916I’ve known this for a while and invested in Rat coin before holofes. Anyone saying she isn’t entertaining is a pleb with shit taste who probably watches Minecraft for hours as entertainment
>>47070831Ah you're right, my bad. I agree that's a limiter but I also feel like EN girls don't even try to immerse the viewers into the game. They react as players of the game, which aligns more with classical Let's Play series and Twitch variety streaming. Not that it's wrong, but it's just not the same.
>>47056570>newshttps://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1645396208180137990https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1645396208180137990https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1645396208180137990Shirley from Macross F.S-tier artist.
>>47071180So where are hags to groom Bae?
>>47071219Life is about finding the limits and then breaking them
>>47071219Talent freedom
>>47070987As the saying goes, they both looked into the abyss, but when it looked back at them, Amelia blinked.
>page 10Bleach > One Piece > naruto
>>47070987No she wasn't. EN Fubuki was always teamate cope
>>47070937Well Gilzaren kinda fits the first criteria you put there, but for obvious reason it went nowhere.
>>47071374well the cope has moved on to ratfuckers
>>47071248I do fully agree with you there. The only HoloEN girl who I have ever seen make an attempt is, strangely enough, Ina
>Gura MIA>Fauna will fail to get 10kLol
>>47071219Man, this reminded me of Mason Greenwood. Mase you stupid fucker
>>47070286> she absorbs the protagonist's personality and quite literally becomes that characterkek it also reminds me of the Pekora MGS series, where she reacts to dialogue with something like "Foxdie?" and then Snake says the exact same dialogue afterwards.EN girls just seem too poisoned by ironic media to get into stories in the genuine ways that JPs do.They probably have seen hundreds of "critic" reviews of all of these games, and gotten every single flaw in their head while playing the game, so all they can do is to make fun of it.Western audience is similar as well, and would naturally follow the streamer if they didn't take any of the story seriously... hence JRPGs becoming a debuff.
>>47071449Which testicle are you betting?
>>47070423If you phrase it like that it implies those are the 3 best. Has any holomember said outright best in hololive before ik most of them try to avoid competition?
>>47071489Do you faggot even watch EN? Holy fucking christ where do you people come from?
>>47070427can't ENs play JP games with JP audio + EN subtitles, like God intended?
>>47071339Do people unironically watch Bleach? Naruto and One Piece always spill out on random discussions but nothing about Bleach
>>47070286>>47071489this is the closest you'll gethttps://youtu.be/ccRBmjw7DW8?t=1327
>>47071495You really think he still has any left?
>>47070937First, I really doubt people want to emulate Ghiren "Literally Hitler" Zabi as a Vtuber, shit would go south really quick.The problem is that even if you start hunting around genres, you run into the same problem where dudes overwhelmingly get shoved into the same narrow bin of characters. Ditching anime and digging through English novels? Same fucking problem. Ever notice that women's formalwear uses the whole goddamn rainbow, but men's formalwear is just mild variations on the exact same suit? "Call of Duty Guy" isn't just a cheap design-by-committee thing, people just aren't looking for anything else.It's just "the reader self-insert," "stoic/funny badass," "dumbass," and "hothead." If you dip into shojo then you get to add "puppies" and that's about it. I guess the last bastion of variety is "okama," but now you're kicking the tranny nest.
>>47071495towas left nut
>>47071339All of which are far inferior to FMA in all respects
>>47071522SEAmonkeys don't watch streams, they only press F5 while jerking off to Vrabi and then report here.
>>47071525They'll have to do their reps first. But then they would instead get distracted by the mistranslations all the time
>>47071612
>>47071055I did hear a lot about it...RTS games need a lot of skill though, and the RTS audience are heavy on backseating (similar to the LoL audience).Lumi was... not very skilled. And idk if it was skill issue or something on her part, but she didn't have much of a "cute girl" buff when I saw her playing those RTSes.I believe she did try to improve later on, how is she nowadays? Does she still play RTS games?
>>47070872Yes I want the worst streamers in council and one of the worst members of En to lead. I have now learned of the actual worst thing that could happen to en3
>>47071565Chaika technically always been under the radar all this time though, thank god Japan doesn't give a shit to trannies.
>>47071219it's theatre anon, they're puppets dancing for the entertainment for those holding the strings.news is often "ridiculous" to us because we are sheep, not meant to peer beyond the veil of secrecy to what the upper echelons of society are discussing behind that thin "news" veneer
>>47071339in animation, probablyin story, not even close
>>47071703But he said Bae not Fauna
>>47069916How is her latest song cover doing ?
>>47071005Outside of fauna the others have to stream because they spend money like water. I don’t watch Kiara but i keep seeing kfp say she bought property to rent out which would be another money sink if she doesn’t know how to be a land lord
has Axels team been disqualified for point scam yet?
>>47066909$18k you can buy a house whit that in Jakarta
>>47071685>how is she nowadays? Does she still play RTS games?She where playing Total War: Warhammer on twitch yesterday.I only peeked in a short while and didn't get much more than that she were cheesing the rats...so probably not all that good?
>>47071538bleach is worth it for best boy alone
Everyone wants their oshi to be EN Fubuki but the first requirements are to be entertaining and popularKeep dreaming
>>47071912Considering King's team is still there then I guess never
>>47071949Kiara and Bae make a strong case atm
>>47071912Only when Kuzuleech gets DQ'd first, so never.
>>47071385> GilzarenHave you heard his voice? One of the biggest examples of voice-model mismatch I've seen in the entire industry...https://youtu.be/IWYZq35K0R8?t=688
>>47071258but that didn't happen to Laplus, either.
>>47071956>popular
>>47071522feel free to point out a single fucking JRPG stream where an EN VTuber is fully immersed in the story Mr. Shitposter kun, we'll wait.
>>47071956Did you stop reading the post after "EN Fubuki"?
>>47071180Young with idol talent both given models that capitalize on the fastest growing talents attributes. To bad ones a menhera whore the others a no talent whore
>>47071913if you want to live in a literal shed in Jakarta, i guess
i miss kawaii Popular person Same-chan
>>47072005Yes?
>>47070937Vesper.
>>47072024This wasn't about JRPGs specifically, it waws only brought up as an example.
>>47072091No>>47072060EN Ayame
>>47072035They compare the most to Fubuki of EN though. They're the pillars of their respective gens and most people seem to agree.
>>47071832Faunaschizo can we come to an agreement that every single en member is an awful person to model yourself after
>>47072140>They're the pillars of their respective gens and most people seem to agree.No?
>>47072140I hate this bot, it's old and not working properly
>>47072140I never really though of bae as a Pillar of anything. Bae organize collab... for herself. She organize song cover... for herself.What did Bae actually do for Council or EN in general ?
>>47070107>cliquefaggotryretarded cow whore
>>47071958>>47071951holostars deserve nothing
>>47072196Fine, they're the EN Koyoris. Better?
>>47072140they also need to be likable by everyone anon, even the fans. You can force an argument about it with Bae, but Kiara? nigga the only one who watch her solo streams are KFPkek
>>47072224Koyorifags, are you taking this shit?
holy shit stop with the shitpost lmaokiara and bae are shits
>>47072214Nijiniggers deserve to seethe, especially when Axel mogged the shit out of Kuzuleech's team.
>>47072122who's Gura racist towards?
now look who's moggedpekorahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkuDnUYLq6cponpokohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-basovncWj8
>>47072224>>47072251Fuck no, fuck you. Koyo would never told her concerned fans to "grow up" just because she wants to collab with homos.
>>47072263>Nijinigger>Homo defenceTypical phasekek. No one cares about shitpex
>>47072204>What did Bae actually do for Council or EN in generalShe brought irys into council and made her feel included. She took care of the council girls when they came to japan and made sure they were properly feed. She came up with the host club stream idea for council. Bae is en fubuki she just needs a meme to blow up and she good.
>>47071949I don’t want my oshi collabing with men or having the companies reputation on her back even though she could be en fubuki. And i also know that 99% of all current en members past en members and future members could never handle it except my oshi. Almost everyone they’ve hired are awful people or dumb. As of now there are 3 exceptions and I’m being generous
>>47072307Brits
>>47070241She just needs to learn how to suppress the cringe enough that she doesn't need to break the 4th wall winking at the audience to let them know she's in on the joke all the time. I also refuse to watch JRPGs, but even if you slice that out of her stream hours she still streams a good amount for a Holo.
>kiarashit, anybody that streams with nijien is shit, im sorry
>>47072344everyone's racists towards them, anon
>>47072332Tell her to embrace the mating press meme bratkun
>>47072367That would invalidate Moom, so you can fuck off with that rule
>>47072105Sure, the Subaru JRPG experience was originally brought up as an example of how one of the JPs becomes an "anime girl" when she streams. Which EN has that "anime girl" vibe, and how do they show it? I'm literally an IRyStocrat, but when I watch my oshi play games (of any kind), they're hidden zatsu streams with specks of watching her completely fuck up simple tasks. She isn't immersed into the game and neither am I.
>>47072311Based
>full 1k less than her previous waiting roomngmi
>>47068543Peko bebi
>>47070724>>47070286she's just a natural tsukkomi.
>>47072313YAGOOO! Get on with it!
>>47072411Unironically Bae
>>47072408Who cares about Kiara and councilEN fubuki is Ame
>>47072408okay, anybody that off-collabs with nijien is extra runny shit
Hey get this, EN doesn't have a fubuki or anybody close to it
>>47070283surely there are some, look harder.
>>47072428What was Koyo's previous waiting room?Today's probably just a slow day if anything. No yabs happened.
>>47072332>leechs IRyS, killing her numbers in the process>gave food to council>1 collab idea (copied from JP)EN Fubuki, everyone
>No new threads for the past hour/vt/ is reclining
>>47069916>This is somebody whoWell, i don't trust Mori, Suisei herself said that Moona and Risu are best singers
>>47072550That is more than what Fubuki has ever done to gen1
>>47072332Your English skills are lacking which explains why you don’t know anything. First ministry stream was on kronii channel Are you saying kronii is the pillar of council? They couldn’t do monthly streams without sana is she the pillar? Oh wait my English level is too high. Bae bad streamer not pillar
ayunda is the most overrated singer in hololive, you can't change my mind
>>47072615
>>47071180such as?
brrats are even more retarded than robosa somehow
>>47072499We just established that Ame is the Reincarnation of Fubuki. Can you fucking read the thread before writing?
>>47072597Nice joke.
>>47069916Having listened to Bae sing, I think Mori is doing her best to talk up her friend more than she deserves just so people will give her some additional eyes.
BEHOLD, BAES PEAK
>>47072455Not in the slightest i speak very little japanese but I’ve played all the games subaru plays and she just keeps me in the story with her. Bae ruined persona 5 for me by the end of the first palace. I’ve played that game twice what my friend stream it 3 times and was watching multiple vtubere start it and she ruined it for me
>>47072332>. She took care of the council girls when they came to japan and made sure they were properly feedI really fucking hate how everyone ONLY herad Bae's side and completely ignored EVERYTHING ELSE. Like how Fauna had straight up said she was stuck eating conbini onigiri half the trip, or even on stream during the unarchived karaoke how Bae wasn't cooking for her because she was gonna cook for herself after the stream. Or just about FUCKING ANYTHING. But no, Bae mentions shopping once and suddenly she's "taking care of them."
>>47072307https://files.catbox.moe/znnhs6.ogg
>>47072736Well, laugh at Suisei then
>>47072858Come on, anon, let the brrats have this.
>>47072499EN doesn't have a competent staff like JP either
>>47072858Seethe sapkek
>>47072226We love your cute wife here
>>47067386there's only one.
>>47072499id be more willing to accept this comparison if Amelia was actually halfway socialable even just for appearances sake in collabs. I can forgive woman moments if you can just stop having them and learn, move on etc. But after almost 2.5 years her atmosphere in collabs is still the thing that bothers me about her
Did Benisex ever acknowledge why she is so sex ?
>Page 10MOOM I KNOW YOU'RE HERE I LOVE YOU
>>47072858The brrats are just shitposting. In what world would someone actually believe cooking for people or doing laundry is a Fubuki thing?
>>47072342>Can't be EN Fubuki because they collab with menRead that back and then you will realize how stupid you sound
>>47072858That's on Fauna for being a retarded stupid vegan though
>>47072858Are you genuinely retarded or something?>Fauna was stuck eating convenience store food half the tripWELL ANON, BECAUSE FOR ONE SHE’S VEGAN AND CAN’T EAT 98% OF THE FOOD IN JAPAN, and TWO, people eat more than one fucking meal every day. Do you expect Bae to make every single meal for Fauna, a grown ass lady, every single day of the trip? Why are you acting like Fauna is a special needs kid? Especially in a time where Bae was called upon to do actual company work and had her own schedule to abide by?
>>47073055Multiple times.
>>47072858Brrats are desperate to make Baelz look good rather than the irrelevant homobeggar she is. It wouldn't matter if Baelz was Pekora incarnate, the fact she does homo collabs makes her cancer in the EN branch
>>47073227>Conveniently ignoring the second part where he said she said on stream she'd cook for herself.Lol
COLOSSAL TIDDIES > NO TIDDIES >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MEDIUM TIDDIES >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SMALL TIDDIES
Bae is more like EN Sora than EN Fubuki, the basic and boring idol. In fact, they both live in crammed spaces don’t they?
Mommy mentioned the rat!
now this shit is just getting insulting
>>47073343she is here
>>47073274But peko colas with homos…
Bae will stay a runt until she learns how to actually make gaming streams entertaining, which she still hasn't figured out 1½ years into her holo career.
>>47072858you forgot the fruit collab, she cooked for them then.
>>47071486I will forever consider it an injustice that Mason got run through the gauntlet while Partey the rapist is walking around as a free man.
>roberu annieversy collab with mea5k? or can it beat the suisei collab?
>>47073391Link stream on her channel where homo appeared
>>47073459Don't care it's Fauna hours now
>>47073412>Heating up leftover rice is cooking
>>47073485The mc pvp tournament
I hate youtube
>>47073459don't talk about homos, while Fauna is on
>>47073562I don;t think any of the homos were in that
>>47073312depends on your definitions, but switch medium and small.
>>4707357310k Lamy!
>>47073562Fuck off
>>47073597All the other teams were homos?
>>47073158Did you mean to respond to me because I said I don’t want my oshi collabing with men. You’re the dumbest person in this thread and some them can’t speak English. You might not be a retard you might just have a pit in your brain because even a retard can learn to read. You stupid brown monkey.
fauna should've been named flora
>>47073581you can't make me.
>>47073562retard when we talk about homos we talk about holostars, not just any other fags
>>47073644Newfag there's a difference between a homo i.e. holostars member and random males
/#/, come home
>>47072313>>47072446Oh, that's actually useful.An actual way of verifying that you are affiliated to an organization.Just want to know if that's recursive. As in, if you can register an organization that is itself part of an organization, because if so the ID chuubas could be linked to the ID twitter, which is also linked to the main Hololive one (which is linked to the cover corp one too).
>>47072332actually kroni is the very first one to acknowledge IRyS as part of council and had been the one who played with her often when the others and myth were ignoring her. All bae did was leech off of IRyS
>>47073336Fuck you sora can sing even if she’s a whore. A stupid sexy fearful of big numbers whore
https://youtu.be/zzdQJsbMumwSuper bomber man R2 is coming out. Will we get some collabs?
>>47073674>Flora Yggdrasil
>>47072332>>47073746and that's also why IRyS is very attached to Kronii even from the start.
meh, call me when we get bomber girl collabs
>>47073343I don't care about your parents.
>>47073274the fact that she sucks is completely unrelated to her stance on males.
>>47073767Sora has 4 years of experience over Bae so her live singing has improved, but honestly they’re both wobbly on the singing front.
We're melting down
Kek Koyori is shilling the holo en connect. I don't think any of EN shilled it so far outside of official streams
What is Fauna doing?
Good koyote shilling her EN senpai concert.
>>47073912>I don't think Clearly you don't.
>>47073912By "shilling" you mean "puts news in the news show", right?
>>47073517technically, yes.
>>47073926She started the stream without BGM and went dumpster diving for "Animal Crossing like BGM" and found some legally distinct animal crossing BGM that she's unsure if she's able to actually use without nintendo knocking on her door so now she's just STILL surfing through audiostock for bgm
>>47073886>Shit streamer>Annoying personality>Homo collabergod damn, EN management really hit the jackpot
>>47073746>Myth ignoring herDespite their opposite time zones Kiara was proactive about including her in group collabs. IRyS also doesn't reach out herself.
>>47073926her usual stuff, being a lovely wife
>>47073699>>47073702>its not shit it’s cancer!Nousagis…
>>47073992aka her best
>>47072313???
>>47073909aaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>47073897That’s the equivalent of saying Suisei buckles a bit with really high songs you still wouldn’t compare them
>>47073912What is your definition of "shilling"? If it's just talking about it - which was what Koyori did - several of them have done several times (i.e: Fauna and IRyS, definitely others too)
Kaela harem expansion plan continues unabated
FAUNA KAELA COLLAB THIS FRIDAY
>>47073909not as bad as these faggots
Kaela + Fauna Phasmo collabAbout FUCKING TIME
Koyori will not break down!She can keep up this pace forever! She will be the next Sakura Miko!
>>47074194I'm genuinely sickened by every attempt at numberfagging that's not in /#/They all have no fucking idea what they're talking about. Confront them with average charts or medians or whatever and no one even replies
>>47074194That thread is full of retards who can't stop biting baitPermaban everyone in it and board quality would improve immensely
>>47074164>>47074150>>47074200
>>47074200...Why that game again? Why two people, even? I just rarely found small Phasmo collabs fun with the exception of those w/ FBK.If they are going to collab as a duo, MC would have been much better content-wise and number-wise. If they want to do a Phasmo collab, a 4 people collab would be better (i.e: throws Mumei and Bae into it)
why the fuck we're not on page 11 yet, it's been an hour already.
>>47074333Phasmo is a shit streaming and collab game..
>>47074333They have been talking about playing it together the 2 of them since the last Phasmo 4 man collab.
why is this thread still alive.
>>47074333Because they've been wanting to do a fucking Phasmo collab since the last one with ORK+Kaela. It just never happened.
>>47074426I hate phasmo but I love Kaela and Fauna so I guess I'm gonna watch
Considering the fact that Cover hired Laplus, Bae, and Kobo for their last 3 gen, they're definitely looking for zoomers.
>>47073909
>>47074286>>47074289It's hilarious that as much as the rest of the board cries about numberfagging, they just can't help themselves when someone posts bait to the catalogue.
>>47074333I’d rather just them and mumei even duo phasmo would be better then bae
Fauna graph status?
>>47074502They know they lack self-control so rather than actually fix themselves they throw the blame on others instead.
>>47074502I mean just look at /NijiEN/ anon. They like to shat on this thread, and yet they also numberfagging their own organs on their own thread.
>>47074477To be fair Kobo took off despite still being worthless monetarily, la+ was almost a success but they gave her too much freedom to not care about holo, and the utter failure that is bae. They technically have 1 hit and la+ doesn’t seem like a 5 year talent