Are Kawaii fans siding with Gen 3?

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Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:13:37 2023 No.47002289 [Reply] [Original]

Are Kawaii fans siding with Gen 3?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:16:29 2023 No.47002638 >>47002289 I think it's more that we want to hear gen 3's side of the story.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:23:03 2023 No.47003357 >>47002638 Everything went downhill after gen 3 met kson.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:23:06 2023 No.47003358

>>47002289
God no, gen 3 are dumb and couldn't be bothered to stick out another 5 months till their contract was up. Pure greed, and watching how fast they've morphed into their new personas is proof they were planning this for awhile. We stand with gen 1 and 2

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:24:01 2023 No.47003451

Kawaii's response to graduations and firings has been done to death. The whole send the Talents out to sob and offer vague reasons worked for individuals being shit-canned, but it's not working quite as well for an entire fucking generation that up and vanished overnight. It's going to blow over, but the response to this isn't going to be swept up so easily

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:24:41 2023 No.47003524

>cite burnout as a reason they want to leave
>only one of them streamed daily
>and it wasn't even something people asked of her, it was something she chose of her own volition
It takes a special type of lazy retard to have a job where you work three to four days a week, make hundreds of dollars for the equivalent of ten hours of work, and still go, "No, this is too much effort."

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:25:35 2023 No.47003603 >>47002289 It’s harder to sweep an entire gen graduating at the same time than one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:28:08 2023 No.47003850 >>47002289 I only ever watched Charzu and Isla, so I don't even care about gen 3. The schizo narrative of cloudtomos being to blame for everything in /pkg/ is the only amusing thing to come out of this.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:28:39 2023 No.47003904

P. crazy how making a massive dramatic stink about something makes you look bad.

>>47003451
Kawaii has been on its deathbed since K-chan left in 2021. They got very lucky with Nene keeping gen 1 afloat and then Neena until she dropped the company then with Oceane/Aletta/Sava and then shat the bed several more times.

It seems like gen 1 was simply afforded a bunch of shit after Hana and K-chan left to keep them on, with gen 2 getting less and gen 3 getting even less. We don't know -what- they got, but it seems like the company is run like a ponzi so the gen 1 girls have the biggest reason to be loyal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:29:42 2023 No.47004027 >>47002289 gen 3 was their most successful gen, besides nene, and was saving their dead company. more than half of kawaii fans were only there for gen 3, so of course they will side with them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:34:15 2023 No.47004480 >>47002289 NotPeony's first stream was a collab with a chuuba who posted her tits /here/. NotMiryu is begging for equipment on Throne. NotAletta and NotSava raised thousands of dollars and didn't deliver the Donothon rewards

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:36:05 2023 No.47004693

>>47003451
Nothing will happen, those of us who support the gen 1 and 2 girls will continue too, gen 3 had no interest to most of us. Only thing we lost was alot of faggy zoomer aletta fans who spam 5 dollar supas to talk to her all stream, good riddance

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:37:07 2023 No.47004809 >>47002289 What >>4700448 said Gen 3 is a bunch of snakes fuck them

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:37:12 2023 No.47004824

>>47002289
>we felt hurt and lied to is not a statement
It's literally a fucking statement. What the fuck is this supposed to mean. When you "state" feelings as a representative of a company, you are making a "statement".
Instead of backpeddalling because of fan backlash, it's always better to shut the fuck up. So many vtuber agencies seem to not understand that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:37:31 2023 No.47004853 >>47004480 Did all their fans switch over or is there a noticeable drop?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:38:08 2023 No.47004914 >>47004809 Typo supposed to be>>47004480

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:38:46 2023 No.47004983 >>47003358 >pure greed So just average vtubing and capitalism? They're not doing it as volunteer work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:39:44 2023 No.47005083 >>47004693 Kawaii is literally nothing but Nene now, the rest of gen 1 and 2 are 2views.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:42:43 2023 No.47005367

>>47005083
They have normal or slightly below average ccv for a small corp, dono wise they do fine. None of them are full time so they arent really gunna get huge numbers with only 5 streams a week. Nene does better then most girls in other small corps. You cant compare her to others

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:43:18 2023 No.47005422 >>47004853 I can't speak for everyone, but I was a fan of Aletta. After Donothon she became more distant and started alienating her old fanbase. Her graduation right after raising 70k made me feel betrayed

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:48:49 2023 No.47005903

>>47002289
As things are now my opinion on Sava did a 180º. Got into Kawaii cause of Gen3's debut and mostly watched her despite the rats surrounding her. Unironically she taking breaks made me check the other girls more and now fucking off shortly after her donothon left a bad impression. Eitherway, good luck to her and Aletta with their Discord groomers.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:51:32 2023 No.47006134

>>47002289
I only watched off an on but I don't remember anything from Kawaii that made me think they were a black corpo. If anything they seemed to actually be trying to work with their talents with it biting them in the ass with Nene and Oceane. The rest of Gen 3 all leaving at the same time obviously means it was pre-planned but without them explicitly listing their grievances against the corpo and/or management and why it warrants them leaving the only way I can make sense of it is they tried to strong arm for something as a unit and threatened to leave if their demands weren't met which shows Gen 3's contempt and disrespect towards management. They probably didn't think they'd actually be shown the door and thought management would be like no please come back. Looking at it objectively though as a corpo full of women I shouldn't be surprised at the result.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:54:26 2023 No.47006483 >>47002289 She also said she doesn't know why they left but the reason is obvious, the dysfunctional nature comes from the top down. Their managers weren't going to change anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:55:49 2023 No.47006654 >>47006483 stfu aletta and sava are whores.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:00:56 2023 No.47007259

>>47002289
Either I
>trust the bratty imouto I've watched for a long time
or
>trust the literal soap eater, the horse who creamed herself, the one who tried to filter all the males from her fanbase and cultivate her female fans, and the green one whose only redeeming factor was her tiny tits made my dick hard.
Yeah I'm gonna trust the bratty imouto.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:00:57 2023 No.47007260 >>47003904 Most corpos are structured like that. Those that built the company/brand from nothing get rewarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:02:07 2023 No.47007372 >>47004983 Oh yeah Slayyyy queen, take the bag.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:02:24 2023 No.47007403

>>47002289
Yeah, anyone with a pulse follows the talents not the company. You can tell which posters come from burgerland because they've all been conditioned to bootlick for companies. Everyone in gen 1 and 2 are acting as if the company is special or actually means anything to anyone but Nene. As another anon said the company has been in the shitter for years. Staff leaving, an entire generation leaving before the inevitable collapse of the company, we've seen it with Tsunderia and we're seeing it again here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:02:59 2023 No.47007452 >>47005367 Nene and Aletta were the only full time streamers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:03:26 2023 No.47007489 >>47003357 What kind of stupid rrat is... WAIT, ISREAL

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:05:26 2023 No.47007701 >>47006654 >>47007259 go back to your PKG containment general

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:07:39 2023 No.47007907 >>47003357 reddit dragon why why why

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:07:53 2023 No.47007930 >>47004824 She only means she has no receipt for that because it's a feeling not something concrete.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:09:41 2023 No.47008112 Nene is talking about how stupid people are on twitter right now, so there must be a tide of support for Gen 3 for sure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:13:28 2023 No.47008484 >>47007701 Go back to Twitch, lunalia

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:14:07 2023 No.47008546 >>47008112 Every outsider is in favor of gen3, the only ones supporting Kawaii are their fans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:16:02 2023 No.47008752 >>47008112 A lot of the stuff I’ve seen is just shitting on gachikoi culture and how gen 3 didn’t want to do that stuff despite auditioning and accepting the job knowing what kind of work it is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:17:16 2023 No.47008878 >>47008546 >gen 3 leaves and their fans go with them >Only the fans of the remaining kawaii talents support kawaii. Brilliant insight.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:17:52 2023 No.47008933

>>47003358
>couldn't be bothered to stick out another 5 months

my personal rrat is that this exact thing was a sticking point. When they had the donothons gen 3 probably wanted to see results before the end of their contracts were up, and seems like management said "these things take time" using the rewards as bait for getting them to continue.

gen 1 and 2 were happy knowing that eventually mangement would deliver, i bet that letti with her 100k felt that she should get some priority, and that contributed with sava's desire to get out of her contract.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:17:59 2023 No.47008945 >>47008752 I guess it all comes down to what they agreed to in their contracts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:20:42 2023 No.47009203 >>47008546 >>47008752 Vultures and tourists just show up to see the drama. Only a very united fanbase could survive this crisis. God bless gen1 and gen2

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:21:25 2023 No.47009271 >>47008752 Aletta really took the criticism to heart, if true. You can always tell the truth of someone’s nature by how they react to chastisement.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:22:36 2023 No.47009372 >>47008878 Allow me to explain, everyone that watched Kawaii before gen3 trusts the girls that are still there because gen3 is the problem.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:23:52 2023 No.47009500 >>47007701 I'm sorry you're offended by the truth like the little bitch you are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:24:22 2023 No.47009548 >>47003358 >new personas Elaborate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:24:43 2023 No.47009569 >>47008878 The gen3 fanbase was made up of normalfags and refugees. Thank God they are gone

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:24:46 2023 No.47009575 >>47008933 it's amazing what a cheap meme youtube plaque does to an ego.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:25:13 2023 No.47009620 >>47009548 >>46969558

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:25:18 2023 No.47009627 >>47009372 I left after Hana and K-chan left and I think the Gen 3 girls were also justified in leaving. The only reason kawaii got bigger was because of Gen 3. t. Former flan

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:27:44 2023 No.47009862 >let me clarify that "we felt hurt and lied to" is not a "statement"

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:28:26 2023 No.47009925

>>47007403
So i guess you go to mcdonalds for the random part timer you don’t know the name of. Why do you buy groceries from stores if you don’t trust the corporation?Why do you buy clothes if you don’t trust the corporation? Why do you work at a job you don’t trust? Fucking idiot nobody spends money if they don’t trust who they are giving it to. This is a different situation trust gen 3 trust kawaii nobody cares which one you chooses. I hope you stand by your words stop going to corporations completely and sponge off your neighbors because you trust them and no corporations. Fucking idiot

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:29:11 2023 No.47009985 >>47002289 Absolutely not. Almost every rrat against them has been proven right so far. Disgusting people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:29:50 2023 No.47010031 >>47004480 Whose tits and where

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:30:07 2023 No.47010063 >>47009985 Bacuck is my new oshi

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:31:17 2023 No.47010197 >>47009862 Based on the other comments about receipts differentiating between what was a feeling and actually a statement seems to for legal reasons. They might be taking them to court

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:32:02 2023 No.47010258 it reminds of people this time last year saying Pippa should quit phase and be notPippa all because she had 600 ccv and good donos. imagine if she had done that. career fucking suicide.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:32:14 2023 No.47010276 >>47010031 >>46991457

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:33:57 2023 No.47010441 >>47009627 >The only reason kawaii got bigger was because of Gen 3. Good riddance then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:36:11 2023 No.47010614 >>47010276 flappy

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:36:47 2023 No.47010677 File: 378 KB, 768x432, 1603596014087.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>47007907

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:38:23 2023 No.47010821 >>47010441 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6HUyE3RTOg Eargasm

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:39:46 2023 No.47010947 >>47010276 Is that "sloth" the miyu girl the asmr general was giving attention to a while ago or some other sloth?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:42:19 2023 No.47011186 >>47010947 yes, the same miyu girl.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:43:42 2023 No.47011324 >>47002289 the biggest talent we have is not a backstabbing bitch trust us t. management

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:44:07 2023 No.47011355

>>47009925
>So i guess you go to mcdonalds for the random part timer you don’t know the name of
Every McDonalds produces the exact same shit in basically every corner of the globe. But I do go to specific joints because they tend to be better than others.
>Why do you buy groceries from stores if you don’t trust the corporation?
>Why do you buy clothes if you don’t trust the corporation?
I will simply go wherever the prices are lowest, the products are similar enough not to care.
>Why do you work at a job you don’t trust?
Money AND if you have any semblance of loyalty to your job you're a massive fucking retard because in 99% of cases the loyalty is unrequited.
>Fucking idiot nobody spends money if they don’t trust who they are giving it to
This is exactly what I'm saying. Talent agencies (vtuber corps etc) don't work like white collar companies. The quality of the product is almost entirely tied to the woman behind the screen. You can give a shit streamer all the money, equipment and branding in the world but it won't help the quality of their streams. I would donate to individual talents I find entertaining or "trust" as you put it, regardless of how fucked their company is.
>I hope you stand by your words stop going to corporations completely
See above
>sponge off your neighbors because you trust them and no corporations
I live next to pajeets, not happening.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:44:30 2023 No.47011399 >>47011186 Dang, there were some dudes horny as fuck for her there for some reason. wonder if they know

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:45:58 2023 No.47011516

>>47002289
We don't really take sides. The disagreements happened and they were unfortunate. The only thing we're concerned about is future growth and sustainability of Kawaii, and whether or not it can become a power player onwards in spite of the upheaval the past few months.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:46:39 2023 No.47011579

>>47009925
People go to Mcdonald's to get Big Macs. If the product is no longer there, they won't go.
People work for a corporation because of money. If the money is no longer there, they won't work there anymore.
Notice how trust isn't mentionned? Trusting is a positive feeling: most people are "neutral" towards corporations. They don't trust corporations, but they don't distrust them: they just don't give a shit. Product want. Product get. There's nothing to gain in trusting a corporation outside of very specific cases.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:47:10 2023 No.47011635 >>47011399 its just the cyberlive/aetheria groomers smelling blood in the water.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:52:52 2023 No.47012189 >>47007701 Not even /pkg/ thinks they're whores.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:54:27 2023 No.47012322 >>47012189 what? /pkg/ called Aletta whorse for months, even before she backstabbed them

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:04:34 2023 No.47013101 >>47003524 "burnout" is an obvious go to excuse when you have no justifiable reason

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:06:11 2023 No.47013208

>>47002289
Fuck no, never cared much about gen 3, and their stupid actions might affect Kawaii because they're retards who don't realize their actions affect other people not only themselves.
Besides, they used Kawaii to become famous then took their fame with them, Aletta was a nobody before joining Kawaii, not only that but I consider shit like this betraying their fanbase, for someone who said "DAISUKI DAYO!" every second she sure abandoned her beloved horsebandos quickly, this shit is so fucking disgusting.
Like Nami said, stop joining our company just to leave in a few months.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:06:53 2023 No.47013252 >>47013101 And also in the stream Charzu asked management personally if they are allowed to take breaks or hiatus and management said yes (some talents stream 3 times a week)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:07:25 2023 No.47013286 >>47007907 People REALLY do not understand that someone who just carried her audiance from hololive and is losing it since dosent know shit about the future of vtubing

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:11:27 2023 No.47013573

Why are the PKGfags trying to push the rrat that Sava and Letti wanted out but Miryu and Peony was just dragged along? There is no reason to kill your golden goose so as to say and both of them definitely had a good run in Kawaii. The donothon is refunded because they quit. There is more reason for the people who earn less to quit as the grass might actually be greener for them on the indie side.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:14:23 2023 No.47013747

>>47013573
Because Peony was super sappy and looked like she liked being in Kawaii and was joining her Senpais on streams, and Miryu had huge plans, and a song cover scheduled 2 days before their "strike", Miruy even changed her Vtuber name to "Lua's good boy" for a while, and she was on her pre-chat on her "strike" week lamenting not being able to stream.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:15:24 2023 No.47013815 >>47013573 >>47013747 Also, forgot to say, Lua said on her member stream that not everyone wanted to quit, but they did it as a "symbol of unity"

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:15:25 2023 No.47013817 >>47013573 I think they're all guilty but people were saying right before the announcement Miryu was talking in pre-chat how much she wanted to stream

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:15:56 2023 No.47013844 >>47013208 >company folds >talents get to keep their models This can only be a good thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:16:46 2023 No.47013902 >>47013844 Right sister, steal from the company, get the bag!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:16:52 2023 No.47013911 >>47010276 >/wvt/ Of course the craddle of schizo and schizo chuuba

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:17:32 2023 No.47013962 >>47013902 Nobody is stealing anything schizo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:17:37 2023 No.47013967 Oceane is laughing at this mess. I hope she has good time for a while hearing this news.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:18:39 2023 No.47014031 >>47013962 what else you call getting something that you don't own?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:18:46 2023 No.47014044 >>47013844 JP companies don't work like that, tsunderia and cyberlive did that, but those weren't JP autists

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:19:33 2023 No.47014097 >>47013573 Sava and Leti would have reason to quit if they were dissatisfied with Kawaii and felt like it wasn't doing enough. There's the corpo cut that they won't have if they're indie.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:19:41 2023 No.47014113 >>47013967 I am sure she is having a great time streaming to 60 people when she was on track to be 100k subs and 600ccv.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:19:58 2023 No.47014133 >>47013844 both the models and the names are copyrighted, the talents can't just take it

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:20:54 2023 No.47014194

Anyhow there must be a huge fallout behind the scene that can make your entire gen walk out and quit. Kawaii's management must be shit
>gen3 is money grabbing whore
Money grabbing whores would stay if you give them a better pay. Funny no one mentioned that they are negotiating for a better cut because they probably didn't and this isn't about money.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:21:18 2023 No.47014215 >>47013962 They made money by promising something and didn't deliver. This is the literal definition of a scam

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:21:26 2023 No.47014223 >>47014044 >company folds >talents move on and stop sharing their earnings with a management that isn't interested in promoting them or funding anything they do, really This can only be a good thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:21:47 2023 No.47014254 >>47013252 I mean Sava should be proof enough that they're allowed to take breaks. Not only that, she said management encouraged her take a break before her donothon.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:22:49 2023 No.47014370

>>47014113
She was executed. She was not trying to leave like the rest of gen 3. At least she can find solace that booting her out means nothing for the company in the end and all the fuckers that had a hand in her termination all got fucked because they are retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:24:04 2023 No.47014471 >>47014194 > there must be must is a strong word >probably yeah you don't know shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:24:21 2023 No.47014486 >>47013286 She not losing it anon In her solo content stream except Asacoco,singging and 3D, It usually 1k-3k

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:24:34 2023 No.47014500 >>47002289 Will the YouTube and Twitter dramasisters support Gen3?

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:24:37 2023 No.47014504

>>47014031
Bankrupt companies divulge their assets for next to nothing all the time.

>>47014215
>company makes them promise something
>it was the girls that did it, promise
>it wasn't
>all those donos go to company account and therefore they can't access them until the company splits the revenue
Get your refund already.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:25:08 2023 No.47014538 >>47014471 Well we all don't know shit because none of the gen3 can give their side of the story because of NDA. This is the advantage of being a corpo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:25:12 2023 No.47014542 >>47014500 Lol no, they are only there for the likes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:25:26 2023 No.47014555 >>47014500 Ofcourse. They are all attacking Kawaii and the remaining girls.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:25:30 2023 No.47014558

>>47014194
it is ALWAYS about money.
especially when you become a top earner and over deliver.

It's a lose lose for everybody. Aletta is in for a very very rude awakening. The other 3 jabronies that quit with her have no chance. Kawaii's brand has been damaged hard because of this.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:25:59 2023 No.47014587
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The Cursed Generation betrayed the vision and dream of bringing the message of Kawaii to the world.
To see cute girls doing cute things.
To have fun and be silly
To strive for happiness together.
To Forever Bloom

And those who support them are vultures, gossip-mongers and normalfags.

Kawaii Love!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:26:48 2023 No.47014645 >>47003357 When and Who were met Kson?

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:27:38 2023 No.47014689

>>47014538
They absolutely can give their side of the story, they have coworkers right there they could have talked to (who would be under the same NDA) yet they all say gen 3 didn't give good reason to quit even after asking them, and meeting their demands.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:28:09 2023 No.47014721 >>47014504 DON'T CALL MY WHORSE A SCAMMER. KAWAII FORCED HER TO STEAL FROM HER FANS

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:28:49 2023 No.47014765 >>47014721 >steal there we go again

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:29:05 2023 No.47014777

>>47003357
kson is a plague that poisons the minds of corpo girls.
i now remember phase connect had a brief brush up with her back in september, and their gen1 talents pippa, lia and tenma sided with her over management and it very briefly felt like mutiny was gonna happen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:29:26 2023 No.47014797 >>47014558 It is management's fault that they can't come to an agreement. They worked hard to get into a corpo I don't think any single one of them want to quit if given the chance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:29:28 2023 No.47014798 >>47014765 Scam then

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:29:54 2023 No.47014835 >>47014798 >refunds available right now Try again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:30:26 2023 No.47014871 >>47014765 What is the most appropriate term? Scam?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:30:27 2023 No.47014873 >>47014835 yea, refunds from the company not her

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:30:54 2023 No.47014905 >>47014797 >I don't think any single one of them want to quit if given the chance >graduation not termiation and yet they did exactly that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:30:57 2023 No.47014909 >>47014873 The donations went to the company, not her, retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:31:24 2023 No.47014935 >>47014873 Kawaii could go after her to recover they money. Theft by deception.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:31:30 2023 No.47014938 >>47014797 Management complied to all their demands though, that is the part the others are finding confusing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:31:38 2023 No.47014950 >>47014835 >I grabbed 100$ from your pocket >You can take it back >that means I never stole!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:31:46 2023 No.47014964 >>47014905 Yes as I told you before there is definitely some unfixable issue that made them quit. Unfixable as in management is unwilling to fix.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:31:50 2023 No.47014969 >>47014909 are you being stupid on purpose?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:31:51 2023 No.47014970 >>47014558 RETARD It's not always about MONEY. They may sell their's heart but they won't sell their's soul. They are vtubers and they have pride for not bow down injustice.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:33:02 2023 No.47015055

>>47002289
God I love Charzu
I'm not the biggest Kawaii fan but I do follow them all and watch them sometimes.
I think Gen 3 had a point, management is shit very shitty.
However leaving less than a year into their contract all together without any proper statement, without informing the others was doomed to leave everyone with a sour taste.
I still side with Gen1/2 but I agree with Gen3's complains but still think their actions are awful.
Calling them traitors or betrayers feels too emotionally loaded, they were employees in a company and they did not like the working conditions so they left, it's as simple as that. Vtuber companies are not families or groups of friends or religions, they are entertainment companies, service providers. Vtubers under a contract are employees.
But on a personal level I understand that Gen1/2 personally feel betrayed because Gen3 literally told them nah we are not gonna quit lol and did it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:33:15 2023 No.47015069 The only reason Aletta and Sava aren't considered scammers are because the company they left has the integrity to refund from their cut out of their own pocket.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:33:20 2023 No.47015074 >>47014777 Yes, we want slavery girl from corpo Vtuber. They should't have free will

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:33:23 2023 No.47015077 >>47014909 What is profit sharing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:34:11 2023 No.47015123 >>47014950 >you gave 100$ for a promise I forced my contractor to make >you can take it back now because I failed to keep those contractors around t. corpo >>47014969 I don't see a response. Are you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:34:57 2023 No.47015178 >>47015055 Then why join, if you don't like the contract? they signed it, their obligation was to fulfil their contract, they are lucky Kawaii don't sue them for early contract termination.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:35:15 2023 No.47015195 >>47014964 >makes shit up >trust me bro it's way more likely management called their bluff when they threaten to quit over over instead of just waiting until the contract expired to negotiate for a better cut

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:35:27 2023 No.47015201 >>47014777 In fairness, I think that was a crossroads and Sakana pretty much became >fuck it, I guess we will just let it ride and let the inmates run the asylum Phase Connect has done very well ever since.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:35:42 2023 No.47015212 >>47015077 Company doesn't payout until well after they process the funds, a month or two at the least.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:35:53 2023 No.47015220 >>47015055 >Vtuber companies are not families or groups of friends or religions, they are entertainment companies, service providers. Vtubers under a contract are employees. I am missing Vtuber industry in 2019-2020. I understand Kson now

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:36:16 2023 No.47015235 >>47014970 You sound familiar. Could it be a cat with mental problems?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:36:55 2023 No.47015285 >>47015212 Not true, Lua funded 4k for her PC in a few weeks after meeting the goal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:36:55 2023 No.47015284 >>47015178 > He really doesn't know isn't he? > Wactor Anonchama.....

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:37:04 2023 No.47015296 >>47015123 the company doesn't take 100% of the money

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:37:07 2023 No.47015301

>>47014645
About 6 months ago all of the graduated gen was doing a meet and greet stream at some anime convention, and at one point Vshojo people with Kson on an ipad walked by. They all said "wow it's kson" but they apparently didn't hear them and just kept walking and didn't stop.

I think anon is making a joke but it's hard to tell with all the kson schizos on this board.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:37:25 2023 No.47015323 >>47015178 If the contract was violated, that would be included in the statement. There was a clause used that provided the talents means to leave before the contract was over without legal obligations.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:37:27 2023 No.47015327

>>47010258
Even fucking menhera whore like Lia didn't burn everything around her and leave when she had a menhera breakdown because she felt Fishman neglected her.
I just felt immensely disappointment in gen 3
>>47013573
That's the best cope many fans still have because they really love those girls. Peony and Miryu both make effort to stream and interact with them until the end. It seem like the other girls want a full group strike but those two stick out for the fans a bit at the end. Maybe they are fully in on it as well but the cope that they were just being dragged along give the fans some sense of hope to keep following them to indie. I can't even find any cope for Sava as a gaokek and I was defending her from stupid rrats and anti since Christmas. Now I can't even bear to listen to her voice.
Aside, both peony and Miryu had momentum and had events coming up. They just started to break 100 ccvs consistently in recent weeks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:37:42 2023 No.47015353 >>47015212 >a month The exact time she left the company. Coincidence?

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:38:10 2023 No.47015383

>>47015178
Yeah this is the flaw in Gen 3's whole situation. I assume they expected things to be better and didn't imagine management would be so slow and incompetent and unresponsive.
Perhaps they saw the rise of idol and its massive marketing push and Rin's growth and felt like they joined the wrong corpo because Kawaii wasn't supporting them.
It's worth noting that some of the things Gen 3 wanted were actually good for the company too so it must be frustrating to realize you got stuck in the company that won't help you grow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:38:26 2023 No.47015402 >>47015353 Not if every single donations can be refunded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:39:03 2023 No.47015455 >>47015235 Who? I'm not Mikeneko. Truth me

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:39:17 2023 No.47015477 >>47015323 Most contracts allow to leave if you just pay a fee. It's a high fee around 4-5k minimum probably but sava and letti probably have no problem paying that fee with how much money they just made

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:39:36 2023 No.47015499 >>47015383 Except management agreed to their demands and tried everything to make them stay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:40:27 2023 No.47015551 The siren will curse this company for eternity for terminating her unceremoniously. More misfortune will come to Kawaii's side.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:40:33 2023 No.47015561 >>47015477 That's pure speculation. We don't know the clause, but whatever it was, it let them leave amicably.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:40:40 2023 No.47015572 >>47015499 They did? I'm not completely immersed in the situation so excuse any parts I might not be aware of. My understanding was that management gave them PR responses but didn't actually do anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:40:42 2023 No.47015573 >>47015402 Why are you defending scammers?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:41:05 2023 No.47015594 >>47015383 So Gen 3 basically had buyer's remorse and bailed, got it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:41:07 2023 No.47015595 >>47015301 6 months? Strange timeline. Do you mean Kson went to Taiwan anime convention and met Kawaii gen3 in Taiwan?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:41:34 2023 No.47015633 >>47015573 Why are you pretending it was a scam?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:41:57 2023 No.47015657 >>47015561 That's industry standard in every corpo. Miori talked about it before.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:42:02 2023 No.47015665 >>47015572 Watch Charzu stream, she talks about it. At one point she said Reina tried everything to make them stay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:42:44 2023 No.47015707 >>47015572 Charzu said that management basically rolled over to all over their demands and had been implementing some of them anyway - starting to do digital ads probably being one of them, as they just started that this weekend.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:42:56 2023 No.47015722 >>47015633 Because it's a scam

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:43:24 2023 No.47015756 >>47015572 Yes, and they came up with more bullshit excuses like burnout and not liking the next company project.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:43:50 2023 No.47015780

>>47014044
Even Tsunderia didn't do that for everyone. Kallin's model was just on loan while she got her rebrand in order; she can't keep it and won't be able to return to it when her rebrand to Ember is complete. There was likely a backroom deal for the others and it may be related to why Slug was getting pissy on Twitter the day the company announced it was dissolving.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:43:50 2023 No.47015782

>>47015402
Yeah, with Kawaii refunding everything I doubt that Aletta actually got a cent from the donathon before she left. If she actually did receive the earnings from the donathon and ran away while forcing the company to pay for it, something like that would be mentioned because there's no way anyone could support gen 3 at that point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:43:52 2023 No.47015787 >>47015657 >That's industry standard in every corpo. Stop reading here

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:44:04 2023 No.47015801 I just don't understand how they can look at how far Oceane fell since going back indie, and saying >yeah, we're gonna choose that! They might be the 4 dumbest whores in vtubing. KWAB of the year for sure.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:44:10 2023 No.47015809

>>47015572
They wanted to have an emergency meeting with management at 3am jst, you tell me if anything they did makes sense. They wanted to leave and nothing management could do would have made them stay, for some reason though they had to put on this odd show.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:44:43 2023 No.47015863

>>47015572
We don't know the things that management tried to accommodate. Odds are, not all of their requests were accepted or maybe some of them weren't even considered for one simple reason: management doesn't decide what the company does, it's the CEO that decides where money gets spent. If they can't convince the CEO to support them like the poster >>47015383 mentioned, then they saw no future in the company and they were right to bail.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:44:52 2023 No.47015875 >>47002289 This company deserves to burn after getting rid of Oceane for a bunch of whores, only for over half of them to leave shortly after.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:45:26 2023 No.47015914 >>47003357 Vtubing is a mistake. t. Kekson

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:45:39 2023 No.47015938

>>47015595
It was some convention in America. Kawaii had a booth set up that they were streaming from, and that same day Vshojo was doing their meetup thing where they walk around with the vtuber on an ipad with a camera and you can go talk to them. They happened to walk by the Kawaii booth while exploring the convention.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:45:52 2023 No.47015946 >>47015801 I wish them well, but I don't think it is going to work out for them. Maybe the former Aletta can do ok, but the other 3 are nobodies.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:46:14 2023 No.47015978

>>47015782
Against the popular belief, Kawaii is actually a very compassionate company, 2 of their terminated talents had grounds for suing (perhaps even criminal lawsuits) and they let them go without issue because they didn't want to destroy their lives.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:46:16 2023 No.47015981 >>47015938 It was Anime NYC

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:46:44 2023 No.47016011 >>47015946 Maybe thats what they wanted to return to?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:47:31 2023 No.47016060 >>47015801 Excellent. I want the 4 of them to starve and suck beggars' dicks to survive

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:47:51 2023 No.47016076 >>47015978 I think thats another one of their problems, they are letting people walk over them too often.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:47:51 2023 No.47016077 >>47015978 >they let them go without issue this might have to change if they want to survive long term

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:48:41 2023 No.47016139 >>47015801 they will be like the Cyberlive girls but worse. At least they got to keep their models/name/history and didn't have to start over. good luck being Chapipi and Hylo.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:48:58 2023 No.47016157

>>47015978
Yeah. They're not always competent but they mean well, and everything we've heard from gen 1+2 talents indicates that they genuinely do try to improve and work with talents.

People calling them a black company are retarded because a black company would never just let 4 talents walk out of their contract and blow up the company image for absolutely nothing.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:49:16 2023 No.47016174

>>47015572
According to the video statement that the girls gave, management agreed to most of their demands (not all of them). However, I don't think it would have mattered. Sava had probably already made up her mind, and when she does, she'll stick with it no matter how irrational it is. She had been in her own head and doomspiraling for a while over her reclining numbers. The frustrating part about that is that she seemed to not want to acknowledge the most obvious reason for her channel's growth flatlining. She broke the cardinal rule that literally every streamer stresses when talking about how to be successful: consistency.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:49:17 2023 No.47016176 >>47002289 Burnout will always be a laughable excuse if you haven't streamed 2-8 hours a day for the majority of any given year. Gen 3 were just lazy cunts bar Miryu and maybe Aletta.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:50:08 2023 No.47016228 >>47016157 a black company wouldn't have fired a rising star because of bad behavior. a black company would have ignored it. kawaii are not a black company not even close.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:50:16 2023 No.47016237 >>47016174 Why did she move to Norway again?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:50:38 2023 No.47016254 >>47016139 Alas Chapipi is a self sabotaging retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:51:03 2023 No.47016289 >>47016237 Nordschizo...

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:52:00 2023 No.47016338 >>47016174 Why would Aletta leave behind a rising star career for some loser like Sava?

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:52:23 2023 No.47016357

>>47002289
From what I understand Sava and Aletta wanted to leave. Peony left because Aletta left. And Miryu left because she was pressured into it by Sava and Aletta to make it a group graduation. So if that's true then Sava and Aletta are the villains, unless we hear from them their side of the story about management issues that are true.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:52:57 2023 No.47016388

>>47015383
Things got better for them in every way.
They all inclined significantly compared to the indie days. Miryu and Peony had a slow start because they are young, inexperienced, and have to stream light due to school but they are gaining momentum and finally broke 100 ccvs consistently. Yes, they weren't on the same level of phase, EIEN, and idol. However, they are still ahead of dozens of small corpo out there. Beside, it's not like you can't incline in kawaii because the top 3 of kawaii still outpace many members of EIEN, idol, and phase. They are just behind on average because not everyone in kawaii cares about abusing the algorithm, having buff game/stream contents and just want to grow in their own pace and own way.
The truth is that gen 3 felt their ego inflated and would do better with more freedom and no cut. Some might be bitter that the grass is greener on the other side of the slightly bigger small corpo, particularly IdolEN because the owner has much deeper pocket.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:53:06 2023 No.47016396 >>47014500 They will like they supported Tempus !!... oh..... They wont .

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:53:13 2023 No.47016403 >>47016338 Every person with rising success thinks they can recapture it again by themselves. Bands do this all the time

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:53:21 2023 No.47016413 >>47016237 That's mostly irrelevant. She took frequent breaks, cancelled streams, and moved streams to different times plenty even before she left for her trip.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:54:26 2023 No.47016466 >>47014777 I feel sorry for your oshi

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:54:56 2023 No.47016498

>>47016388
>particularly IdolEN because the owner has much deeper pocket
Or maybe because he wasn't a stingy spender.
>management doesn't believe in digital promotion
That's just one of the retarded things the CEO decided on. I can imagine there was several more retarded things behind the scenes that they felt didn't align with their goals as indies who wanted to grow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:55:03 2023 No.47016500 All of this would've been avoided if they didnt vaguepost with graduations. Its almost as if they learned nothing from the NijiEN shitfest

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:56:11 2023 No.47016558 >only alleta survives as indie >the other girls especially sava are jealous and blame her >mean girls drama continue

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:56:13 2023 No.47016562 >>47016357 >unless we hear from them their side of the story It won't really matter because most people don't understand that as a business you don't just spend all the money on anything and everything in the hopes more money just keeps coming in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:56:15 2023 No.47016564 >>47016338 I don't mean to imply that was the only reason, but that would have strengthened the others' resolve to go through it anyway and remain in solidarity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:57:16 2023 No.47016625 >>47016254 qrd?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:57:41 2023 No.47016652 Miryu is friends with the owner of the new corpo right? Do you think she will try to join that one when the heat dies down?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:58:56 2023 No.47016709 >>47016558 I'm going to buy some popcorn to watch these snakes kill each other

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:59:01 2023 No.47016714 >>47016254 What happened? I missing watching the girls but I can't watch them because time slots, but I still try to follow how Pandora is doing. Can I have a qrd on all the girls?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:59:06 2023 No.47016720 >>47015801 Aletta will be fine as long as she keeps stroking her paypig's dick. The other three, probably not.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:00:05 2023 No.47016778

>>47016174
I am just trying to imagine if Phase would have done this last year when some people said Pippa, Tenma, Lia and Uruka should quit together because management was "shit."

what an absolute disaster of a move that would have been. suicide inducing for Pippa. Now they could do it, Pippa especially, but back then? My god.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:00:11 2023 No.47016786

>>47016498
You think some jp crypto fag in a company with 5 other manager can outspend some jews, possibly backed by some Jew investment group? IdolEN investment is unprecedented in small corpo. Even small corpo group started by small entertainment company don't match his spending.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:00:18 2023 No.47016793 >>47016709 you will enjoy it anon solidarity my ass

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:00:59 2023 No.47016836 >>47016388 >Yes, they weren't on the same level of... EIEN Gen 3 was on Eien's level. Aletta had higher ccv than any of them and even Sava had slightly higher ccv than Kiki and Skye before she started reclining.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:01:25 2023 No.47016865 >>47016786 That's why they're the second or third biggest EN corpo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:01:31 2023 No.47016877 >>47016720 wait for the other 3 to kill her >>47016558

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:03:52 2023 No.47017033

>>47016714
>Aletta
spammed shorts got to 100k, did a donothon neting 70k and quit the company before delivering the goal rewards
>Peony
Aletta's best friend, got 20k and liked Kawaii (seemed to)
>Sava
Menhera numberfag who was always getting ass mad about not reaching the numbers she expected, took constant breaks and didn't ost a schedule for 3 months now.
>Miryu
Sweetest girl ever, loved her genmates but was never in their timezone, also loved her Kawaii senpais, only to abandon them because she didn't want to stay in her gen alone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:08:09 2023 No.47017342 >>47017033 I was asking about ex-cyberlive because he mentioned Chapipi I know who the kawaii grils are because I used to watch Sava

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:08:09 2023 No.47017343 >>47016793 fun fun

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:11:13 2023 No.47017575 >>47017033 Poor Miryu

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:12:51 2023 No.47017706

>>47016865
I don't deny that, but I still respect corpo like Kawaii who can't afford to spend that freely but still have good standard and goal. I never thought a small corpo in EN would try to deliver a 3d idol concert but Kawaii is trying to, even if they had to do a Kickstarter for the boost to get there. I heard they had a rough start too management wise, but really turned things around. Before idolEN coming in with the owner throwing money everywhere, Kawaii was the small corpo standard.
I follow a lot of small corpo and I am aware of how bad things can be and how they can go wrong.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:13:44 2023 No.47017768

>>47016714
Hylo, Lumi and Yuri all quit CyberLive.
>Hylo stayed indie and has been dying a slow death
>Lumi & Yuri went to Phase Connect and saved their careers. Lumi is thriving.
CyberLive became Aetheria (not an actual company, more like an alliance), and then Aetheria collapsed after a scandal where Vera and paypigs
>Menace retires and un-retires every other month it seems. Still does well enough doing ASMR.
>Pandora struggles eventhough she collabs with Kiara she is still a a Twitch 2view.
>Chapipi is a low to mid 2view because she sabotages herself + IRL job takes priority. She is not gonna make it unfortunately she just hasn't figured out it's time to pull the plug.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:17:01 2023 No.47018014

>>47002289
>Oceane terminated with a list of offenses where the talent herself was not given the opportunity to speak her side of the story. Had to believe what Kawaii Production said at face value with no proof
Sus
>They did it again, but with a whole ass generation
Literally WACTOR tier behavior

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:17:34 2023 No.47018046 >>47017768 Well you told me nothing I already new besides the Chapipi thing. I though Hylo was doing well as an indi for a while when did she start tanking? I still love Pandora

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:20:23 2023 No.47018221

>>47016714
>Menace
Don't stream anymore
>Emma
Menhera hard
>Yoki
On a break
>Chapipi
Menhera but happy some of her songs broke 10k views
I don't know about the others then lumi used
almost all of their models whithout their consent on aprils fools and took some shot at some of them.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:22:39 2023 No.47018364

>>47018221
>almost all of their models whithout their consent on aprils fools and took some shot at some of them.
Is there a clip or archive?
Seems really late to be a catty bitch about it considering how successful she is now, but women are vindictive cunts

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:23:58 2023 No.47018460

>>47018046
>I though Hylo was doing well as an indi for a while when did she start tanking?
it is so unbelievably over for Hylo. Maybe even more so than Chapipi because at least Chips can say "well I don't stream that much; imagine if I cared etc etc"

Hylo did well streaming Among Us, but stayed too long and the bubble burst while she was still in it. She lost her audience. Now see plays League and Flavor of the Month shit. She averages about 30ccv twitch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:24:20 2023 No.47018493 >>47009548 They had new channels and models ready the second the announcement was published. Basically they were ready to jump off for atleast 2 months now

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:26:36 2023 No.47018682 >>47002289 so basically, management/corporate wanted to give them a heavier workload and gen 3 was the only gen that didn't agree to it?

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:29:40 2023 No.47018931

>>47018682
No, burnout is in quotes and is a bullshit reason since they all could take breaks and even Hiatus if they wanted to, Charzu asked management about it herself.
also, Sava was on a multiple week break barely streaming, burnout from... what? and the other girls all said they wanted to stream MORE.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:31:59 2023 No.47019101 >>47018931 isn't the minimum something super low like 12 hours a week? I remember the minimum being mentioned when Neena left

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:33:42 2023 No.47019222 File: 2.37 MB, 1920x1080, 1650904260944403.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4701864 Only an handful of screenshot and this https://twitter.com/AyaneHylo/status/1642257127908540423

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:34:27 2023 No.47019275 >>47019101 just like how hololive has a minimum, it isn't too strictly enforced.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:34:42 2023 No.47019291 >>47019222 Meant for >>47018364

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:34:44 2023 No.47019293 >>47018931 "burnout" from streaming as a corpo. Sava instantly had a packed schedule as an indie compared to constantly going on break as a corpo.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:35:23 2023 No.47019351

but yeah
>Women act like women
>commit group career suicide
What a waste.

They could've been somebody. It's a shame Sava was a mental midget and couldn't handle not getting instant success. Many such cases. Sava, instead of making changes and giving yourself time to grow, you quit instantly and talked your friends into quitting with you because it wasn't your fault that you didn't take off right away like Aletta or Oceane. it was management's fault.

Sava being a petulant brat makes me respect the girls who stick it out, figure it out, and find growth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:36:32 2023 No.47019419 >>47019293 See if she sticks to it for more than a week or two. She won't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:37:19 2023 No.47019471 >>47019222 wow that's pretty fucking retarded and I never even really cared for Hylo

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:37:27 2023 No.47019480 >>47019101 It's super flexible, management are pushovers and don't enforce shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:37:29 2023 No.47019481 >>47019293 Nah. Sava had this issue before too. She's just trying to get the re-debut buff here. Give it a month and there will be another hiatus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:38:25 2023 No.47019568 >>47016865 They're also not making any profits Aviel himself admits that they're basically not running as a business yet, it's all investment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:39:25 2023 No.47019663 It's a partnership. The talent needs to perform well for the agency. And the agency needs to support the talent. Obviously the talent felt they weren't getting their end of the deal. That's the agency's fault and now they wasted an entire gen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:40:08 2023 No.47019717 It sounds like this sava is manipulative and a clubhouse cancer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:43:34 2023 No.47019939 >>47019663 Exactly. It is just a negotiation breakdown, happens time to time in business, but somehow Kawaiifags want to make gen3 the bad girls.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:46:15 2023 No.47020157 >>47016060 They already have the groomer discords prepped

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:49:28 2023 No.47020376 >>47019663 >>47019939 You negotiate before signing the contract, after you sign it, you fulfil it. and again, management tried to meet their demands, they invented bullshit reasons to leave anyways.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:50:15 2023 No.47020425 >>47020376 Do or do not. There is no try.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:50:36 2023 No.47020447 >>47019101 You're management. Talent says no and she doesn't feel like it. Now what? What do you do?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:51:09 2023 No.47020487 >>47019717 Look at her friends and her PL. People have been saying she's a grifter for a long time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:51:55 2023 No.47020538 >>47015938 Is that all? Did Kson befriend with them?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:52:00 2023 No.47020542 >>47020425 Then it isn't a negotiation is an ultimatum

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:52:54 2023 No.47020589

>>47020376
Contracts seem to not mean shit in vtubing as every company besides wactor just lets the talents break them whenever
>>47020447
the only options are to let them take a break, reduce hours, or let them leave
You could have fines and reduced cuts for not streaming allotted hours, but no one would sign the contract

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:53:02 2023 No.47020598 >>47020538 no, they just looked at each other for a second.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:53:53 2023 No.47020643 >>47019222 What a fucking bitch.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:54:58 2023 No.47020722

>>47019939
They lasted 7 months on the job, they knew the terms of the job before they were hired.
They got the debuts, the models, they became part of the company and got everyone's support.
And leaving left the company looking very bad and hurt the members of the 2 gens they left behind.
Kawaii is a small company and this impact is actually going to hurt them a lot.
It's not like any random job where someone joins and quits and there's no consequence.
It's up to them to leave if they want to but it's not as simple as just any regular job.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:55:21 2023 No.47020755 >>47016558 I don't think Peony and Miryu are the types that would cause jealous drama over numbers. Sava on the other hand...

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:56:44 2023 No.47020836 >>47020722 >And leaving left the company looking very bad and hurt the members of the 2 gens they left behind. This is probably the only reason that Kawaiifags are mad at their gen3, other "explanations" are just cope.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:57:00 2023 No.47020870

>>47015801
It's fucking bad for Peony especially.
I know very well why she doesn't incline. She's ESL that is a bit difficult to listen and keep up with. She is very young, inexperience and fumbles around a lot with trying to find good content and how to entertain. Her charm is that she has a naturally cute voice and a raw blank slate. She benefit the most under a corpo that can give her guidance and have a safety net to try things out. Her fans follow her to see how she can grow. Now all she have for guidance are indie twitch whores who will ruin her if she follows their advice.
Miryu is not much different neither. She has raw talent in music and a bit of streaming experience but it took time for her to kick into gear. Her initial music streams, despite of her good singing and instrument playing, were directionless and ended up being repetitive when she spam them too much. Management pushing her to try out a bit of gaming contents despite of her not being a gamer did wonder for her growth. She really shine in her gaming stream and had a unique take and reactions on game. Also, her music contents become more organized and she probably need a few official covers to take off. It's fucking suck because she was a perfect fit for Kawaii

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:59:05 2023 No.47021023 Miryu did nothing wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:59:19 2023 No.47021037 >>47020870 good news is both of them are young IRL so it won't matter in the long run if they fail

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:59:34 2023 No.47021058 >>47021023 She could have done something right, but didn't I'm sad

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:00:42 2023 No.47021127 >>47021037 Yea that's true, but it's still disappointing if they miss out the chance to grow into great vtubers

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:02:13 2023 No.47021243 >>47021023 Funny both gen1/2 and whatever that is left in pkg still going with "only 2 of them wanna go". It is 2 against 2, basically a tie. If the two decided to stay there is no reason they cannot stay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:05:17 2023 No.47021508 >>47014835 >company pays for her stealing from you and she keeps the stolen cash

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:05:28 2023 No.47021526 >>47020538 nope

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:06:29 2023 No.47021597 >>47021023 >>47021243 the two that didn't want to go are extremely fucking young and would be honestly shocked if they did end up staying instead of following the leaders

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:06:48 2023 No.47021623 >>47018014 The oceane situation was literally the rest of gen 3 pressuring management into firing her. Management wanted to keep her around because she was making money. Stop being such a retarded tourist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:07:49 2023 No.47021709 >>47021597 Yeah, you girls are so easily influenceable, that's why we have an epidemic of girls cutting their breasts off because bein "trans non binary" is trendy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:08:31 2023 No.47021765 Kawaii should offer Oceane her job back

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:09:43 2023 No.47021870

>>47021243
its a youth and inexperience thing. The other two probably said they are leaving and those felt "i must be loyal to my genmates/friends" without really thinking of the consequences. its a shame but they made their bed. Im gonna support the remaining grils because they are the ones that got fucked most by this through no fault of their own.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:10:16 2023 No.47021920 >>47021623 so this is not the first time they pressuring the corpo. fire oceane or we quit! accept our demand or we quit! corpo was right to let them go, they are plague.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:13:15 2023 No.47022184 As a Phasefag, I’d be lying if I told you I wasn’t scared about our new Gen3. It’s very easy to welcome in poison into your corpo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:14:23 2023 No.47022282 >>47022184 doubt it would matter as phase is run by the asylum now

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:14:48 2023 No.47022315 >are the people who demanded a meeting with management at 3am in the right

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:16:02 2023 No.47022438 >>47022282 Phase is the single most stable corpo in the West

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:16:10 2023 No.47022449 >>47002289 >hire rando college drop out NEET girls >they act extremely unprofessional >drama faggotry ensues What a shocker. Who could possibly have forseen this?

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:17:17 2023 No.47022555

>>47022184
When the biggest menhera in your corpo went on menhera breakdown over lack of growth and support, she didn't try to burn the company down in less than to get her way. I have to give her credit for it. Maybe she is self-aware of her own menhera and actually took a break and took time to make her decision. The unaware menhera are the worst.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:18:44 2023 No.47022680 >>47021597 >>47021870 If that is the case it just mean that gen1/2 failed as senpais.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:20:28 2023 No.47022835 >>47022438 they are stable, but you can't tell me with a straight face that the most insane talents don't run rough shot over management now

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:20:52 2023 No.47022865 >>47022184 Fishman seems to have a good eye for hiring talents compared to Kawaii since there still hasn't been any graduations/terminations so far.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:22:51 2023 No.47023032 >>47022835 I think it is overblown. I also think at this stage, their Gen1 (which is the identity of the company) are invested into it and want to do everything they can to help the project.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:22:59 2023 No.47023039

>>47022865
Well we'll see.
Their first gen was a miracle, they ruminated on their second gen for almost a year, but their third gen seems to be rushed.
One of their advantages however is the fact that it's 100% a western company, they have no language or cultural or timezone barrier.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:24:50 2023 No.47023215 >>47023032 >nasa >invested in phase

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:26:05 2023 No.47023318 >>47023215 I think he probably means Pippa, Tenma, Lia and Uruka. JP was DOA.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:26:14 2023 No.47023328

>>47023032
I have no doubt that gen 1 is invested, but Lia is fucking crazy and Pippa is one news story away from destroying everything.
Imagine an article about the dark side of vtubers or something fucking retarded.
I'm waiting for an article like this around the election or when only fans burns down or something to deflect

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:26:16 2023 No.47023330 >>47021023 It's funny how it seems like she's the only girl that left that the kawaii general is actually sad about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:31:48 2023 No.47023761 >>47022680 They tried man.. but the menhera was too strong, and the others wanted to saviorfag, remember this all happened in the span of 2 weeks, they had plans to make covers together 2 days before the meltdown, they were blindsided.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:38:13 2023 No.47024273 >>47023328 It genuinely surprises me that some journalist retard like that former Forbes writer with the Silvervale tats hasn't written a hit piece on Pippa yet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:44:42 2023 No.47024726 >>47024273 I think they need a reason or event for them to pull the trigger and there is way too much stuff for them to right about right now that will get much greater attention

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 05:29:12 2023 No.47027638 >>47022184 Lumi and Tenma will buckbreak the new girls immediately if they start to cause drama. Only Lia and Pippa get to do that. I have faith yellow woman being a fuckijg bitch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 05:37:35 2023 No.47028159 >>47017768 happy birthday vera... the tenth of april is her day

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 05:55:37 2023 No.47029360

>Zaion gets terminated from NijiEN because she broke basically every rule at least twice in a 30 day span
>"BLACK COMPANY CORPO EVIL"
>An entire generation, one of which was actually rapidly gaining traction and had a swelling fanbase all quit in unison, then all 5 have generic ass corpo padded apologies
>"Dumbass college NEET girls are unprofessional, the corpo will be better with them gone"
I'm starting to think /vt/ has no fucking clue what it's talking about, and just goes for the counter in every situation

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 05:59:00 2023 No.47029549 I'm starting to think this anon is trying to start shit on purpose to keep their own thread bumped.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 06:01:43 2023 No.47029706 >>47029360 Did Zaion also steal 70k from her fans?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 06:03:00 2023 No.47029776 >>47029360 Anon there’s a reason why without drama it’s a lot more dead here and all we get is gura stream? posts. A lot of subhumans that are just seeking for (you)s since being a retard and a contrarian is the easiest way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 06:11:58 2023 No.47030240 >>47015220 It's what keyson wants though

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 06:20:52 2023 No.47030621 >>47029360 >Implying this isn't Kawaii management' and bootlicks' info op

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 06:23:37 2023 No.47030734 >>47030621 >only Kawaii management hates scammers

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 06:24:49 2023 No.47030786

>>47009925
This is the most retarded analogy you could have made.
>Mcdonalds
I go there for the big mac, once big mac is gone, I go to burger king for the whopper.
>Vtuber
If talent is there, I go for the talent, if talent is gone, I go elsewhere (Talent's RM)
>Groceries
Who tf shops for groceries in the same store? Go to the one that has the best price or the best deals on offer. Why would I buy 10 dollar chicken breast when i can get it for 8 dollars and the quality is basically the same.
Even better, go to the wholesale / source and get it even cheaper AND fresher.
>Clothes
See above, I don't care about brands, I care about what feels comfy.
>Job
To make money and live? If I get a better deal elsewhere, I'm moving without a second thought unless the conditions are actively worse for my health.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 06:25:50 2023 No.47030834 >>47015296 The company takes 100% of the money first and then pays it to her. They never paid her yet, she left before she got her pay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 06:27:21 2023 No.47030900 >>47030834 >They never paid her yet, she left before she got her pay Proof?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 06:33:01 2023 No.47031185 >>47030900 >Company is able to refund all of the money. There's your proof. If Aletta took a single dollar of it, they can't refund it all and they would say so.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 06:37:26 2023 No.47031396
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>>47029360
>one member gets bullied by the inner cliques of the company, harassed by the triggered fans and sacrificed by the company, then given a death sentence with a termination notice that ruins her career
>5 dumb retards get buyer's remorse because their small under budgeted company didn't want to delay their 3D event to add them too and quit, leaving the rest of the company to handle the ensuing chaos
it's obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that the two situations are nothing alike
zaion was a political casualty but gen 3 are entitled zoomers

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 06:42:44 2023 No.47031638

>>47014777
more like top Janny Xalafaggot tried to convince Kevin Sakana that their current audience aren't worth it, which is wrong since they ended up to be more loyal than your average twittard cocksucker. I wish someone curbstomps Xalanigger out from his position. Fucking piece of shit manager-wannabe janny

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 06:45:41 2023 No.47031796 >>47031185 Denying profit sharing is against the contract

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 06:46:56 2023 No.47031851 >>47031796 Breaking a contract before its expiration is against the contract too.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 06:47:30 2023 No.47031870

>>47031796
Profit sharing occurs after the corpo has processed the profit.
It's the same reason why various holos don't get paid immediately despite their youtube accounts receiving the superchats.
There are various times a number of talents, in various companies, have outright stated "I finally got paid by corpo" or "I finally received my pay"

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 06:49:28 2023 No.47031969

>>47014777
I'm a Phasefag let me give you proper context, back then one of the main mods for the company was pushing for heavier moderation among the girl's chat and their community to make it more politically correct and safe.
You probably know that phase connect has an unusually high amount of fans from 4chan and that also leads to a lot of 4chan lingo like janny, kino, based, etc and their plans to start censoring people leaked.
This led to mass hysteria among the general thread and some of the girls actually browse the thread so they were aware of what was going on.
Among the changes there was a condition that their biggest girl, Pippa, would get to retain more freedoms than the rest and her community would not be as regulated.
That eventually leads to a stream where she breaks down crying and among her problems she makes it clear that feeling like she's special and getting unique treatment was making her feel like shit.
All of this was happening because the CEO was siding with a mod that wanted to change the company's culture, its way of managing its community and their image.
The CEO makes a tweet trying to clarify his position on the matter in a somewhat cryptic way and that's when Kson gets publicly involved and basically gives her 2 cents on the matter siding with the girls that did not like those changes and the community that was against them.
If you wanted an example of "Kson poisons vtubers" you picked an awful one because she literally saved that company from sanitizing itself so much it would have lost the identity that makes it unique and turned its staff against the community it had grown.
I'm thankful to Kson to this day because she might have saved Phase Connect.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 06:52:58 2023 No.47032127 >>47031851 Who broke the contract? >>47031870 Streamlabs processes payments within 3 days. Aletta left Kawaii 1 month after Donothon. That's enough time to process all the payments and give her share

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 06:56:05 2023 No.47032247

>>47032127
Streamlabs isn't the same as Kawaii firstly.
Secondly, unless Kawaii has some advanced level accountants or accounting software, payment processing is not a 1 month endeavor, if you want an example, go look at how long it took Nijisanji to refund their cancelled concerts, twice.
They took longer than a month despite ALL of the payments going directly to the company.
Thirdly, the corpo is not going to refund 100% of the money if they have to pay some of it out of their own pockets. No corpo would do that because it is not their obligation.
They will pay however much they have left. If they can pay 100% of the profit back as refunds, it means that Aletta received none of it.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 06:56:43 2023 No.47032274

>>47032127
>Who broke the contract?

We assume that the talents that left "broke" the contract: they wanted to leave.
If the contract was terminated before the money was split (which is not something done the instant a stream ends), it is very possible that the money was not split according to the contract.

It's extremely easy to imagine that the money not being split was a condition to parting ways. Kawaii production would be fucking stupid not to do that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 06:59:40 2023 No.47032382 >>47032274 >Kawaii production would be fucking stupid not to do that they got played by 4 zoomer girls, they aren't exactly smart

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 07:05:59 2023 No.47032633 >>47004027 >gen 3 was their most successful gen Aletta is not the whole gen Peony and Miryu often struggled to break 100 views. While Lua, Isla and Shee did it regularly. Not to mention Nene. Sava barely streamed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 07:06:57 2023 No.47032676 >>47032247 All companies use payment service. Streamlabs' service is the most efficient in the industry, and Kawaii manages less talent than Niji, which makes timely payment possible

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 07:06:58 2023 No.47032679 >>47019419 >>47019481 Upsets me that this true. Idk how she was before becoming Sava, but I don't want to stick around to find out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 07:13:15 2023 No.47032906 >>47003357 https://youtu.be/cB5JMBvCgWI kek

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 07:18:19 2023 No.47033069

>>47032676
The niji thing wasn't about the talents. It was about the concert.
They don't have to divvy up the profit for the talents in a concert.
If anything, Niji should have been able to refund a lot faster because none of the talents matter in terms of profit from ticket sales. But no, it took them ages.
I'll accept that corpos use payment services and streamlabs is good at what it does. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that corpos take forever and a day to do these things, whether or not it's out of sheer laziness or something else, you and I will never know.
And even if all of what we just spoke about means that they can pay Aletta faster, they still wouldn't refund 100% of the donothon money if they let her have some of it. There is no lawful obligation to do so and if you believe in your heart that Kawaii is somehow a patron saint of a corpo that would pay out of their own pocket then I've been debating this with a retard this entire time. Please don't let that be the case.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 07:33:10 2023 No.47033558

>>47033069
>The niji thing wasn't about the talents. It was about the concert. They don't have to divvy up the profit for the talents in a concert. If anything, Niji should have been able to refund a lot faster because none of the talents matter in terms of profit from ticket sales. But no, it took them ages. I'll accept that corpos use payment services and streamlabs is good at what it does. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that corpos take forever and a day to do these things, whether or not it's out of sheer laziness or something else, you and I will never know.
Big companies like Nijisanji have more responsibilities (concerts, sponsors, talent, employees, multimedia projects, etc.), which creates bureaucracy and makes it difficult to solve problems efficiently
>And even if all of what we just spoke about means that they can pay Aletta faster, they still wouldn't refund 100% of the donothon money if they let her have some of it. There is no lawful obligation to do so and if you believe in your heart that Kawaii is somehow a patron saint of a corpo that would pay out of their own pocket then I've been debating this with a retard this entire time. Please don't let that be the case.
Yes, Kawaii has a contractual obligation to pay its talents. Not complying with this clause could lead to a much more expensive lawsuit than the Donothon refund

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 07:42:20 2023 No.47033875

>>47033558
>Kawaii has a contractual obligation to pay its talents
I'm not denying this. What I'm saying is that Aletta left before taking her pay, therefore she is no longer a "talent" that needs to be paid.
The other fact of the matter is that again, they can refund 100% of the money.
Aletta's contract no longer holds because she left the corpo early (Contract nulled / broken).
Any obligations such as talent pay do not matter anymore once she left, because to leave in the first place, the contract would have to be broken, by Aletta.
Unless I'm high as a kite, her contract was not finished when she decided to leave.
If it was broken and there's proof of this, then nvm this entire debate, I'm the retard instead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 07:46:04 2023 No.47034002 >>47033875 >If it was broken and there's proof of this, then nvm this entire debate, I'm the retard instead. Meant to say "if she didn't break her contract and there's proof of this."

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 07:47:57 2023 No.47034065 >>47015383 >Rin's growth Her growth is the wrong thing to look at. It's like seeing Gura's growth and expecting that new HoloEN members can follow the same trajectory.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 07:53:55 2023 No.47034250

>>47033875
>>47033875
sounds like a law suit. Contract bs can say what it likes, they will fold if they go against the law. It is illegal to refuse to pay salary, unless the country is really that backwater and its somehow ok. She isnt 3rd world though.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 07:54:37 2023 No.47034270

>>47033875
>(Contract nulled / broken)
Their contracts weren't broken, otherwise they wouldn't have "graduated". The announcement would have specified that they were terminated instead. They probably negotiated a deal to either let them out of their contracts with a new one or altered it, so they could quit while keeping certain stipulations in place like a non-disparagement clause.
Even if their contracts were broken, that doesn't mean the company can withhold pay for work they've already done. That's asking for a lawsuit and would be a disastrous PR move.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 07:57:11 2023 No.47034354 You guys don't even know how their contract works or how they are paid.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 08:04:23 2023 No.47034622

>>47033875
>I'm not denying this. What I'm saying is that Aletta left before taking her pay, therefore she is no longer a "talent" that needs to be paid
Proof?
>The other fact of the matter is that again, they can refund 100% of the money
That doesn't mean that they took Aletta's share
>Any obligations such as talent pay do not matter anymore once she left, because to leave in the first place, the contract would have to be broken, by Aletta. Unless I'm high as a kite, her contract was not finished when she decided to leave. If it was broken and there's proof of this, then nvm this entire debate, I'm the retard instead.
How do you know that Aletta left before she received the money? Are you her genmate?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 08:04:46 2023 No.47034632 >>47019222 Fuck Lumi, stuck up cunt

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 08:32:22 2023 No.47035541

>>47018364
It was a total nothingburger. Lumi didn't say anything bad about them, she just used their old models for a 30 second April Fools gag. Shit only blew up because Hylo decided to tweet about it before the stream even ended. PC management stepped in and told Lumi to delete the models, then Hylo apologized.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 08:35:09 2023 No.47035619 >>47018364 Just check her April Fools VOD, it happens at about the 1:10 mark.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 08:45:23 2023 No.47035901 >>47015551 Deeply deserved misfortune if i may add. She goes under the name Utada Zoey right now. Feel free to join us if you think she deserves your attention.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 08:57:49 2023 No.47036247 >>47019471 >>47020643 >>47034632 even shondo buried those 1 view shitters, why are you so upset

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 09:17:03 2023 No.47036763 >>47033875 >What I'm saying is that Aletta left before taking her pay, therefore she is no longer a "talent" that needs to be paid. That's not how it works lmao.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 09:19:04 2023 No.47036825 >>47036763 Have you actually worked even a day in your life anon?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 09:22:14 2023 No.47036906 >>47036825 I've worked a hell of a lot. If you leave a company, you are still entitled to your pay. You don't forfeit your earnings if you quit. What country do you live in where this is the case?

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