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46673610 No.46673610 [Reply] [Original]

What did they do wrong? They had some good ideas.

>> No.46675003

Good ideas
Good principle
Good talents
Good manager
But
Too "ethical" and lost to more competitive alternatives, some talents even got poached and a generally penny pinching and retarded head CEO and zero promotion. Other corpos just stole their ideas (including nijisanji)
Also VERY unlucky.

>> No.46677234

Recruited notRosemi, poured mad dollars on her, but then she backstabbed them all and left the company wasting all of that investment.

>> No.46678455

Needed a CEO that can manage

>> No.46678505

>>46673610
>What did they do wrong?
Let the slug go

>> No.46678545

>>46673610
Bad management who didn't do anything. The only projects they ever seem to have backed were .. a cover of Just Go from deremas and a random vocaloid manga they made tsundream and purin cover.
They also had that slug chick who was obviously retarded.

>> No.46678606

>>46673610
Did they? What was their edge?

>> No.46678983

>>46675003
You're close
>Good ideas
>Good principle
>Good talents
>Good managers
But
>Retarded and negligent CEO

>> No.46680373

>>46673610
>What did they do wrong?
they believed her

>> No.46681638

>>46678606
>First EN corpo
>Had big names like Kana and Miori under them
>Had one manager competent enough to completely offset how useless the other staff members were (until she left)

>> No.46682110

>>46673610
They gave their talents too much freedom and the talents fucked off to be indies with their paid models.

>> No.46683081

>>46673610
why the past tense?

>> No.46683348

>>46683081
Anon...
https://twitter.com/tsunderia_us/status/1618443736622501888

>> No.46683418

>>46673610
Invested into notrosemi.

>> No.46683458

>>46673610
Their CEO was extremely incompetent. They had no chance of succeeding from the start.

>> No.46683495
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46683495

The moment slugma left it was all over.

>> No.46683526

They just didn't have any funding, it was always ran on a shoestring budget and a small vtuber corpo can't realistically bring in enough revenue to scale up. This is the big reason Phase and Idol have been successful, they had a lot of money to start with. That means advertising and adequate staff.

>> No.46683565
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>>46673610
PPP would never accept my challenge to a card game for the rights to the company. He'd rather shutter the company than suffer that humiliation.

>> No.46683799

>>46683495
It's genuinely impressive that the company clung to life for almost a year after she left, and yet they apparently never managed to complete a single project that wasn't already started when she was there. Gen 4, new outfits for Gen 3, whatever was going on with Rei, absolutely all of it fell through.

>> No.46684597
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46684597

>Company is more active now that it's dead than it was for the entire last year it was alive
https://twitter.com/amiyaaranha/status/1627814093301207041
https://twitter.com/amiyaaranha/status/1637205839588077570
https://twitter.com/tsuruginen/status/1637934524205256704
https://twitter.com/tetsuyakazune/status/1640398358001905664
https://twitter.com/jurijurishima/status/1643451783480750081

>> No.46686290

>>46681638
>first
Not necessarily an edge and not first by much
>2 arguably good talents
Arguably... neither were all that big that early either

>> No.46687130

>>46686290
>Arguably... neither were all that big that early either
Kana was one of the single most well known EN vtubers at the time and Miori hit 200k subs while under the company, which puts the current biggest small corpo names on par with where she was then.
Things have obviously changed a lot since then, but to say that "neither were all that big that early" is definitely untrue. If anything that's when they both peaked in relevance (no thanks to the company itself, though)

>> No.46687370

>>46673610
I'd say lack of funding to capitalize on their early surge of popularity, doesn't help that the staff also was quite lacking

>> No.46687896

>>46673610
Mixed gens will never work, tsunverse should have been male. Orla and hanababy should have debuted in tsundream. Other than that Slugma should have taken over the company

>> No.46688250

>>46684597
https://twitter.com/jurijurishima/status/1643451783480750081
>an actual shota
NijisanjiEN would NEVER

>> No.46688462

Wait, did Tsunderia die or something?

>> No.46688484

>>46688462
Over two months ago >>46683348

>> No.46689234

>>46688462
It's hard to tell since most of the talents are going on as if nothng happened. I'm waiting for Hanabi's return before I can say that Tsunderia going under was a net good for all of the talents.

>> No.46690017
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46690017

>>46689234
The sole negative of the company dying is that this cutie never got to debut and now probably never will

>> No.46690201

>>46677234
Should have reused that model once Rosemi debutted.
It couldn't be worse than slow death.

>> No.46693870

>>46673610
neat

>> No.46693960

>>46690017
Can't they still sell the model?

>> No.46694140
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46694140

>>46693960
No idea

>> No.46694220

>>46673610
Best talents of all smallcorpos went completely to waste because the CEO decided to sit on his ass instead of running his company.

>> No.46695070

>>46689234
hanabi knows tsunderia died right?

>> No.46695900

>>46695070
Yes
https://twitter.com/amemachihanabi/status/1618559792200699906

>> No.46696566

>>46673610
People are coping about the CEO as though as he was noticeably more lazy than literally any other vtuber CEO, the truth is that they drank the "west doesn't care" cool-aid and made a mixed gender gen.

>> No.46696691

>>46696566
Not everything has to be about your cuckfear.

>> No.46697380

>>46673610
>What did they do wrong?
Unironically everything.
Yes, while they had good ideas, wanting to be the wastern Holo can only get you so far.
I auditioned for them, gave them ideas from the start, more ads, more publicity, focusing more in entertainment instead of talent.
Of course, I was a Who? at the time so I get why I might have sound ridiculous and crazy in their eyes.
Debuted a gen full of, while talented people, not entretainers, not entertaining at all. Weak debuts, same thing in the next gen, or even worse.
A lot of investments in things that now I see didn't matter at all, weren't the actual important things.
I truly believed in Tsunderia, loved most of the talents they had at the time, but their full transparency, as a company, was their demise.
As some other anon said, even Niji stole and copied some of their ideas thanks to the backstabbing rat, but even then they never seemed to find a momentum they could ride.
Don't even get me started on how they controlled some of the talents and killed ideas that would give them numbers instantly over the fear of backlash, Miori for example.
Letting the slug go was one of their biggest mistakes, and the beginning of the end for them. Then Char followed, then Purin, Ami, at that point Tsunderia doesn't exist anymore, right?
Wanting to become the Holo of the west.. wanting to be something that you aren't is never a good idea, fake it till you make it doesn't apply in cases like this. They had great talents that are now thriving outside of their leash, so that should tell you something.
My feelings for Tsunderia are very mixed, the potential was there, the money and momentum, but it was never used, and never taken advantage of.
Also they are very VERY unlucky.

>> No.46697816

The CEO was some trust fund baby who treated it like a pet project and was too invested in yu gi oh cards.

>> No.46697890

>>46690017
i miss her a lot...

>> No.46697921

>>46697380
You still vtubing?

>> No.46698051

>>46673610
They had zero management

>> No.46698114

>>46697380
Thanks for the insight, Rei

>> No.46698374

>>46697921
About to start, actually. I love vtubers and vtubing, one of the reasons I auditioned was because of the help Tsunderia offered. No one wants to help a no name though, which is understandable, it's an investment after all.
I could finally get my life in order and took the time to save up because I'm a poorfag, so now I can finally start streaming.

>> No.46698412

>>46696566
>Company dies over a year and a half after debuting males for very obvious unrelated reasons
>"durr it was da mixed gen"

>> No.46698427

>>46698374
Ami was a nobody and they gave her a chance.

>> No.46698598

>>46698114
God I wish, her design is delicious.
>>46698427
Yes, but Ami had something I didn't at the time, being her singing and rapping.
I've put the work into it, almost a year and a half, so I can admit I sounded like shit before, even if I'm a good entretainer.
The generation Ami debuted in was more focused in singing and music production, so I was doomed from the start even if I'm also a big audiofag.

>> No.46698616

>>46687130
Miori was 20k when she joined tsunderia. Hana i dunno but it was still early days

>> No.46699271

>>46682110
Ok catalog friend.
>>46683526
Wrong. The CEO is just retarded.
>>46683799
Indeed. The slug was the one moving the strings in the background, PPP lost her and didn't know what to do, so the company started dying. Rei couldn't get to her level, not that it was her fault, Slugma genuinely was putting her heart, soul, blood sweat and tears into this dying company when she got almost nothing in return.
>>46687130
You said it yourself, it wasn't thanks to Tsunderia at all. Kana became a train wreck, Miori broke rules, that's how they got to the milestones you talk about. It's not thanks to Tsunderia or their help.
>>46687370
Again, PPP was just a retard that chose to spend money for an ad in a card pack or league skins or whatever the fuck.
>>46690201
Against "everything Tsunderia is", so not a chance. They helped Miori to get out of her black company buying her model off them, so doing what you say would make them hypocrites in their eyes or whatever, I think.
>>46694220
^
>>46696566
Another catalog friend.
>>46698616
20k are huge numbers for a company like MyHolo, specially during that time in vtubing.

Wish all of this was insider info like some other anon told me, all of this is public, sadly.
Like I said, transparency is a double edge sword, and something that obviously affected the outcome of things.

>> No.46700422

>>46698598
Yeah fair enough. Good luck on the singing reps

>> No.46703775

>>46673610
The communities built around their talents were filled with notorious groomers that gatekept at every opportunity which killed any potential growth.

>> No.46703923

>>46703775
Ami still has some groomers, gatekeepers and mods but her channel has been growing a bit more since she went indie.

>> No.46704333

>>46703775
You're not wrong about the groomers, but it's retarded to think that when they're all still growing to this day after the company went down.

>> No.46704358

Literally none of these small companies larping as Hololive turn a profit

>> No.46704381

>>46673610
They let groomers get to their talents which disgusted the sane ones.
I miss Orla, she refused to use discord. It was cool. Orla was a real one.

>> No.46704472
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46704472

I miss slugma uuuuuu

>> No.46705985

>>46697380
I'm honestly kicking myself for not buying the company outright. The owner was a tard.
I wish I could go back in time and just buy out his company before everyone went indie. I could have literally saved them

>> No.46706445

>>46699271
>It's not thanks to Tsunderia or their help.
The point wasn't "Tsunderia helped these talents get big", it was "Tsunderia had these big talents under their brand and completely failed to leverage that success to grow the company"

>> No.46707007
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46707007

PPP is so fucking lazy and incompetent that even post mortem he's still giving his talents grief. Even the nicest one who has been trying her hardest to not shit on him let's it slip every now and then because of how fucking difficult he is to work with

>> No.46707184

>>46673610
unironically letting the slug go. i only applied due to her

>> No.46707412

Didn't follow Tsunderia, though now I'm watching some of the ex talents, sound like they had no real planing based of what you guys are saying.

>> No.46707445

>>46673610
terrible terrible management that didn't know how to run a startup.
simple as.

>> No.46707501

>>46696566
the girls in their mixed gen did far better than their previous gens though.

>> No.46707601

>>46700422
Thanks

>> No.46709049

So I dug a bit and found this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9XSqRzJvZ0

Who ... ? Who thought this was a good idea ?

>> No.46710398

>>46703775
This too. Management also didn't do anything about said groomers because.. uh.. reasons or whatever. Money
>>46704333
Nah I dont think it is. It's not a problem in places like Niji or Holo, at least not as much, but with small companies it sucks out the joy of being part of a community, so you just don't become part of it in the first place. Also, everyone knows everyone, even in 4ch with anonymity, so that's also a problem, you actually can't escape the groomers and their controlling schizophrenia.
>>46704381
Orla..
>>46705985
If you actually think like this then please go and become an oil baron for Ami or Lisa. Please. They are good girls and deserve it. It's useless to kick yourself today, but saving them is still a possibility.
Both of the girls I mentioned are amazing content creators, talented as all hell and extremely deserving of any help they can get. Save them. I will cheer for you and them, Anon.
>>46706445
Oh sorry, I wasn't understanding the point at first but yeah, this is literally it.
>>46707007
When Lisa is "mean" to someone you know they truly, truly deserve it, so that should tell you guys something.
>>46707601 (not me)
Cmon Anon, if you are going to larp as someone else just to receive a compliment then get better at it. I always use periods at the end of my sentences.
>>46709049
Phase Connect (you can see the rabbit saying LOOK AT ME!! in the comments), Tsunderia, Cyberlive, Niji at some point.. basically every vtuber company that wants to become "The Hololive of the west"

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