/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Gura got tired of effortlessly mogging everything and everyone in anything she does and it's what turned her into the lazy, nihilistic shark she is now. Think about it. Before hololive she was a 1m youtuber simply because of some silly boomer meme song she made, then she "restarted" as Gura and gained even more subs because she instantly became a meme again. Everything she touches turns into gold with no effort on her part, all her good qualities and talents are things she was simply born with, and she's never had to work hard for anything in her life yet still mogs all the tryhards who make achieving what she already got their lifes work.
>No singing lessons, god-tier voice
>pitch perfect - 0.1% of population
>highly arched feet which is literally what ballerina have => easily will become the best dancer for 3D models, yet again without effort
>inhuman charisma so strong it's practically hypnosis and just causes everyone to unconditionally love her

And she knows it. She probably realized the absurdity of it all and it became too cringe for her to continue putting in any effort into her streams and not starting any projects such as producing a song. She probably in some self-hating way even enjoys that her model is the worst one.

[Anonymous No.]

Well, yes, she’s a lazy retard who wastes all her gifts. Why do you think I make fun of her mental illness in these bait threads?

[Anonymous No.]

now this is a rrat i can get behind

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>>46636765
Daily reminder Mori's carreer is dying.

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>>46636765
People like girls that sound like children

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>>46636765
Yeah, it’s called self-sabotage. Deep down she believes she doesn’t deserve it. Nothing new.

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>>46636765
pretty sure sen was 1m or close to it before the boomer meme, that was the victory lap if anything. she got big off country road. but otherwise you might be right, she's a depressed king midas and she doesn't know what to do

[Anonymous No.]

>No singing lessons, god-tier voice
>pitch perfect - 0.1% of population
>highly arched feet which is literally what ballerina have => easily will become the best dancer for 3D models, yet again without effort
>inhuman charisma so strong it's practically hypnosis and just causes everyone to unconditionally love her
Even the most delusional of chumbuds don't think this

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>>46637157
Heh, you're not ready for this, kiddo.

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>>46637157
oh yes they do

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>>46636765
I know it sounds like something a parent would say, but she really is wasting her potential.

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>>46637157
not OP, and not really a chumbud (I followed her PL more than anything)
the first three are probably biased and exaggerated, but you can't deny that she has insane charisma and/or content brain. her PL hit 1m by infrequently uploading shitpost songs which had millions of views, and then she proceeded to immediately mog every vtuber on the planet by a considerable margin.

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>>46637335
Gura's voice is absolutely special (I'd say god tier to some, but that's a subjective thing, not an objective fact) and it's true that she can succeed on her voice alone. She literally has done it twice, it's not by chance. That being said, her singing is good, but absolutely not the best.

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>>46637335
That has to be bait
Gura's music sounds like generic anime openings but in english

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>>46637537
>Gura's music
She only has one song anon

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>>46637565
Her covers aren't much better
Her voice is nice and she sings pretty well but it's not hypnotic or whatever

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>>46637537
Back then sentiments like these "gura is literally the best singer on the entire planet" sentiments were extremely common among cumsharts, but nowadays you don't see it much anymore. Maybe just because she pretty much stopped doing karaoke.

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>>46637738
Agreed on the covers, but I'm not sure that it's Gura's fault rather than typical Jp overmixing. She sounds way better doing her thing on random karaokes than she has ever sounded on any recorded track. Also, she has a great (home) setup and usually has her settings down perfectly. It's the unfortunate truth (not a cope), but her voice cannot be judged on the recorded tracks alone.
For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM2sM45FtIY&t=22s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmIcLc4t6Ag&t=157s

[Anonymous No.]

>>46637487
>but you can't deny that she has insane charisma and/or content brain.
I sure can, she has charisma if you're a manchild. If Gura has charisma then Ina has charisma, and Mumei has double the charisma.
>but she had numbers!
I assure you I could name you a thousand youtubers with millions of subs that you would call charisma blackholes or lucky faggots, and you would be right but you can't accept that Gura is in that group as well

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>>46637487
The arched feet thing isn’t biased or exaggerated. If her feet is arched it does mean she can get good at dancing easier than others. Honestly the guy saying she’s self sabotaging could be possible.

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>>46636765
She is laughing while Tempiss and Mori crater. No Shark means no coattails to ride on. Devious but effective. Sink or swim, the members with genuine appeal are doing fine. She just stopped attracting the normalfag tourist audience that they need to survive, because they don’t know what to like and will just blindly accept astroturfing.

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>>46637096
Sad that this is the most reasonable rrat i've ever read

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>>46636765
i wish more people would realize this instead of attacking her, she must be one of the few cases of real suffering frrom success

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>>46636765
>god-tier voice
Stopped reading there

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>>46636765
She never was the biggest earner

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>>46637458
Is it bad I hate her for this? I'm fine with her being sucsessfull, but I hate people who waste away their talent

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>>46637335
That's one based /mu/ chumchad. Personally, I've never heard a better vibrato than hers, although a lot of people's vibratos don't sound that good due to being overdone and lacking in delicacy. People pointed to me to some normalfag artists but they don't hold a candle.

[Anonymous No.]

Gura is wasting away her prime years. Soon, she'll sound a middle-aged roastie like the rest of them.

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>>46637982
And those sound very nice
I just don't get how some people, perhaps even genuinely, claim she's some sort of 1 in 10000000 talent

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>>46638743
Yeah I agree with you. But her voice is very pleasant to me personally, and I think many chumbuds just get infatuated with the tone of her voice specifically.

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>>46636765
The problem is that people don't cherry-pick her performances, but they do so for the overrated Holos they deem as underdogs.

>pitch perfect - 0.1% of population
this but unironically https://litter.catbox.moe/pk80sn.mp4

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>>46638648
I'm not going to judge whether it's bad or not, but I'd just point out that I don't think anyone wastes their talent or potential because they want to. There's usually something else (almost always some mental health problem) that's not obvious from the outside. Because who the fuck WANTS to waste their potential? It doesn't add up.

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>>46638847
based gura music analyzer

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>>46638847
With enough practice, people can develop good relative pitch

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>>46636765
Also her managers shutting down her ideas

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>>46638902
Fuck that excuse, I honestly don't care. I'm mentally ill, i'm not special.

I would kill for the kinds of math talent i've sen others have, dropped out of a phd program because I was flat out told I wasn't talented enough, but I know I tried my absolute best so I have no regrets.

But to see someone born with that talent waste it away? Nothing gets me more angry, I hate her for that

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>>46636765
I feel bad for her. We used to have a good thing going on, but she got tired, bored, whatever it is that she didn't want to do this anymore, and everyone is still holding her on high expectations. I sure hope she has something she truly wants to do, and not that she is depressed.

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>>46639402
She is almost absolutely depressed, but she needs to do her job regardless

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>>46639381
I don't know man, I was like you before. There was this girl I knew who legitimately slept through half an exam, turned in two sheets of paper when I had like 6, and scored way higher than I did. She was my friend, and I knew she was depressed, but deep down inside I think I was resentful that she had that much talent without trying. I didn't appreciate how crippling depression can be until I became depressed myself, and since then I've refrained from judging people who can't seem to live up to their potential or talent. I mean, I hope you never have to experience it yourself, but it's something that's hard to understand until you've been through it. Just my two cents though.

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>>46639381
She didn't waste it you tard, she shared it with the world unlike most people who just rot away bitterly hating on things instead of working on themselves. If she inspired even one person you can't say it's wasted. In fact the reason why she's successful is because of people's appreciation, that's how this whole thing works.

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>>46640013
I've been clinically depressed since I was 12, been hospitalized 3 times and take meds daily. I struggle each day to fight through it and some days I can't, but at least try. Gura doesn't do shit, don't care what her excuse is

[Anonymous No.]

Nah, last May she got a boyfriend and ever since has been feeling more and more guilty about taking money from lonely men. That's why she barely streams anymore

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>>46636765
her model is the worst one
Why are you such a nigger

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>>46640182
mods?

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>>46640122
>Gura doesn't do shit, don't care what her excuse is
How do you know that? Is she in therapy? Or coping through substance abuse? We don’t know. And yes, her lack of progress to break this timeloop should be enough evidence, but these processes are slow. Crawling out of a dark hole with your bare hands is slow.

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>>46640122
I mean, I can't tell you that your opinion is invalid, especially with your personal experience. But initially, before you were on meds or doing therapy, were you really able to try every day? Maybe you were, but I wasn't, so I can't hold it against anyone who can't either. Besides, it's probably pretty disingenuous to say that she hasn't been trying at all: her streams are inconsistent, not non-existent. The reason why so many people are upset that things are the way they are now is because there was a time when she was trying way harder, the fact that she isn't now is a sign that something has changed for the worse, not that she's always been trying to waste her potential or whatever.

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>>46640182
baste

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>>46640462
If we're being honest Gura never tried particularly hard at any point in her life as Gura, everyone else in myth did 10 times more than her in the beginning (including Ina just not as Ina)

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>>46640182
how do you know this?

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>>46640340
You also don't know if she's trying to change. I mean why should she honestly, she's set for life with her behavior as it has been up until today. If it ain't broke don't fix it as they say

[Anonymous No.]

Her design definitely is not the worst and the simplicity of it is an immense benefit
It's iconic and instantly recognizable

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>>46636765
There was a theory that gura was depressed because she had imposter syndrome because of all her success and I think that's pretty true

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>>46636765
I dunno man, looking pretty stiff next to Bad. If you think her wiggling her bum in 3rd fes was good dancing, you're just a coomer.

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>>46636765
>Gura and gained even more subs because she instantly became a meme again.
She didn't feel that she deserved those early milestones. I bet she was upset beating her senpai's to 1 million. Gura, unlike others, didn't hype hitting them. Kiara even told Gura that it was ok to celebrate them.
>she's never had to work hard for anything in her life yet still mogs all the tryhards
Can't ignore the two channels prior to her Gremlin career. Both wiped clean. I admire her ability to start over from scratch striving for more. She started honing her skills at a very young age. To be self-taught and sing as well as she, wasn't from being born with it. She had so much anxiety singing in front of others that she cried, so her family scheduled karaoke nights to help her. Thank her loving family and her push for self-improvement. Gura has started singing lessons now. The last karaoke was using her lower voice with proper breathing techniques.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2emUch35WRg

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>>46642007
Bae has much more experience no doubt. Surprising many. But Gura has improved in short time, and putting much effort to get better. Not that she's close to Bae, but that shark blob outfit hiding her body is unfair for comparison.
To be honest, don't want Gura to start twerking, pole dancing, or other erotic routines while lying on the floor.

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>>46642007
Bae is an unfair comparison tbf, nobody really comes close to her including the JPs

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>>46638497
This. Her absence hurt others more than herself. Evident with her highly sustained viewers and memberships.

[Anonymous No.]

Her success is no coincidence of course since she did it like 3 times from scratch
But come on now she has the generic white girl voice dozens around her age has.

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>>46638692
>Gura is wasting away her prime years. Soon, she'll sound a middle-aged roastie like the rest of them
That's why she's spending time at the beach for Spring Break. Those years will go by before you know it. I miss those days.

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>>46636765
She can try to beat Rin when it comes to short views now

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>>46643832
>generic white girl voice
Which stands out among vtubers. Different from the typical JP anime voice. Didn't Marine say she wish she was born with Gura's voice?

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>>46644199
>Which stands out among vtubers.
Everyone jokes about Mumei being Gura, that's someone in the same company with a similar voice.

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>>46638847
>https://litter.catbox.moe/pk80sn.mp4
This is what I'm talking about. Nothing is more cringe than being out of tune. Gura makes it seem so effortlessly, and with a wide variety of genres. Can listen to her without the music. Her humming melodies in ASMR give me chills.

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>>46644387
You're right, I was thinking of more of the voice-acting ability of Gura. That's what sets them apart.

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>>46637993


>If Gura has charisma then Ina has charisma, and Mumei has double the charisma.
Your theory does not comport with the evidence.
>I assure you I could name you a thousand youtubers with millions of subs that you would call charisma blackholes or lucky faggots
And you would be wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

gura is not nihilistic

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>>46644954
you must not be a man of faith yourself then if you can't tell the difference

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>>46644817
Numbers doesn't equal charisma, that's the only argument chumbuds show when they say Gura has charisma. Ina does not have charisma and neither does Mumei, that was the point. You don't need charisma to get popular

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>>46645418
Gura didn't approve of the joke by Sana in their collab. Saying, "Who wrote that 'Jesus is sus?' I'm taking away your keyboard privileges."
Gura also was one of the few singing Christian Xmas songs, which seems to be taboo nowadays in the US.
She grew up in a loving family environment leading to fewer reasons to lash out at the world. That it is all for nothing.

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>>46645717
>You don't need charisma to get popular
But in Gura's case, it was.

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>>46647165
You can't even define charisma. Fubuki has charisma, Gura does not.

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>>46647165
Gura was the right person in the right place at the right time. She's more charismatic than Ina and Kiara, who are both three-view tier. She's more agreeable than Mori and Ame, who have personalities that rub a lot of people the wrong way. She's an okay singer.

[Anonymous No.]

gura got lucky people didn't know she was a trump supporter and that she mostly lean right, none of this would happen if people knew who she was and her story

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>>46644633
>voice-acting ability of Gura
Gura's voice acting is shit though. Her voice sounds nice, but she can't act for shit.

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>>46648320
>You can't even define charisma. Gura does not.

>Charisma - compelling attractiveness or charm that can inspire devotion in others.
Chumbuds remaining faithful through months of absence is proof of their devotion. All the shitposting of Gura in the catalogs will never override her charisma.
It is the ingredient that all the Gura killers and loli clones are missing.
Charisma > Quantity
Gura is proof of that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>46650977
>Gura's voice acting is shit though. Her voice sounds nice, but she can't act for shit.
to prove you are not coping. Name a vtuber that is better? Please entertain us.

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>>46648573
Gura is probably the only one who would be above three view tier if they were indy from the original 5 en. Surprisingly, I think Amelia would have a chance. Seems like she would be pretty good at networking.

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>>46652058
So are you going to unironically argue that Ina has charisma?

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>>46648573
>Gura was the right person in the right place at the right time.
While it was great timing, it wasn't just timing alone. Why do Nijiniggers blackhole that Niji was the first for an EN group during Covid, before HoloMyth?
>>46647165
Niji accelerated another group months after Myth's success, but only Vox stood out, which was in an uncontested EN male market. But as we know, wasn't sustainable, unlike Gura. Gura was a guaranteed success, like many times in her previous lives. And explains why she is still the leading EN in growth almost three years later.

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>>46652543
>So are you going to unironically argue that Ina has charisma?
Do you know what charisma means? It's not a unique ability that only one can have. Should I explain that there are various degrees of charisma too?

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>>46653047
What did Gura do before vtubing? I only know she used to some kids tv shit, or tried to.

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>>46653192
>Do you know what charisma means?
Yes, and Gura and Ina do not have any charisma whatsoever. You can't say they have charisma because they have rabid fans, this is an internet phenomenon and charisma simply can't be applied.
Fubuki has charisma because everyone looks up to her irl, she's a natural leader and everyone can look for her advice or help. Gura has the same level of charisma as a child, irl everyone just thinks "Wow she's cute!". That's not charisma

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>>46636765
When you mogged everyone and everything so hard that all that left to be mogged is yourself.

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>>46653394
she was a shitpost queen who made meme songs and song covers, most famously the ok boomer song (yes that was her)
her PL hit 1m at some point before she joined Holo. as >>46653047 says, she was a guaranteed success.

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>>46653665
>You can't say they have charisma because they have rabid fans
I give up

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>>46653824
If you want to argue that Ina has charisma then you're simply delusional, this isn't arguable.
Again, numbers doesn't equal charisma

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>>46653814
Also that account has over 20 vods with over 1 million views...that's more than now. As much as the ignorant claim it was just because the boomer song, an earlier vod has over twice the views at 29 million.

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>>46653665
nta, but charisma is just the ability to charm and attract people. it doesn't necessarily say anything about being looked up to as a leader. fbk is charismatic for sure, but it doesn't preclude ina or gura from being charismatic. you're conflating "leadership ability" or "peer respect" with charisma for some reason when they're not the same thing. they frequently co-occur, sure, but they're not the same thing, and lacking the latter two doesn't preclude one from being charismatic.

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>>46648905
is this true? sounds like a big fat RRAT

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>>46654057
Yeah, the ok boomer song is probably just the most well-known of her videos. In fact, the views probably don't reflect how well-known the song is, since a ton of people know it from that one chick on TikTok. She was big way before that, that was her victory lap.

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>>46654150
If Ina is charismatic then the word loses all meaning, you have to realize that this is strictly an internet phenomenon and the word hasn't evolved to accomodate internet celebrities that stutter and have a meltdown when going to the convinience store.
If anything, this means that every single woman is inherently charismatic from birth but you wouldn't call Ina charismatic before she became a hololive streamer would you? This is the crux of the argument, take them outside and they're complete messes unable to convince a pigeon to follow them. As another example that makes Towa charismatic, she's not a leader like Fubuki but you can put her in any situation and she'll be the star of the room. Gura and Ina might as well not exist in group collabs

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>>46653814
should be noted she was just as lazy back then as she is now.
gura has the charisma and luck stat of 10 but the endurance of 1

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>>46654619
yeah, she was one of those youtubers who post pure gold but have a nonexistent upload schedule. though I suspect it's more than just being lazy, I think her jokes about being an alcoholic gremlin in her PL were way more than just jokes. and speaking from experience, you don't usually become an alcoholic or abuse substances without something wack going on in the background.

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>>46654500
I'm not sure I agree that being able to attract people online but not IRL doesn't constitute charisma, but let's just say that you're right. Even then, it's clear that Gura has something that sets her apart from other streamers or vtubers. Call it what you want, charisma, content brain, it doesn't matter. You don't see the kind of success that she did in her PL and her current incarnation by pure luck. I'm not going to discuss Ina in-depth here, but she identified a niche for herself as a comfy streamer, and made the most of it. You don't have to call it charisma, but she's clearly done something right.

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>>46655397
Anonchama I'll repeat a hundred times that numbers doesn't equal charisma.
Also Mumei had the exact same situation so I don't know why people think Gura is special, change them up and I think Mumei would have had as much success as Gura (especially considering how similar they were in their first month, both being the same kind of spergs)

[Anonymous No.]

Nevermind, I thought another fanbase needed help but I'll pray for chumbuds instead. Jesus christ.

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>>46655606
Mumei is wannabe bootleg discounted gura

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>>46655606
Luck is unironically skill. It's not a skill you get by working for it. It's a skill you are born with. Gura is naturally far more talented than everyone else in Hololive. Not because she worked harder, nor because of anything she did herself, but simply because she was born better.

It's the most painful pill to swallow, that your natural talent dictates your success and life, and no matter how hard you try, you will never win against someone more talented than you.

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>>46660449
Look up epigenetics, you're flat out wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>god-tier voice
have chumbuds never listened to any other music before or something
i mean come the fuck on

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>>46663186
>Muh environmental factors
You don't pick your environment and your behavior is largely dictated by your genetics. Luck is a skill and having it is one of the most important traits you can be born with.

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>>46640182
Yeah me

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>>46663822
Might as well say Gura was fated to be successful at that point.
She was just fortunate enough to be hired by the biggest vtubing company at the best possible moment and with an extremely marketable avatar, only some of which she had an influence on.

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>>46663822
keep lying to yourself and giving yourself excusese for failure

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>>46663822
fatalists are pathetic

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>>46637335
I agree with a partial part of what this dude said, her singing is special, but it ain't all that. She's far from the best in the business, and she lacks natural power in her voice. But that doesn't mean she can't learn how to.

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>>46664186
>>46664351
I'm not god, nobody is capable of knowing their own limitations, luck or talents. Some people are born better than others, but you can't know that without trying. I subscribe to the fact that while I know the outcome is likely already decided, I'm going to try anyway.

Gura is an example of someone born significantly better than most. Regardless of how much effort other VTubers put in, Gura's natural talent and luck make her basically untouchable in terms of success as a VTuber.

It's why she causes so much seething. She is shining example that you can't beat talent. Even while that talent is basically being wasted, she still mogs other vtubers effortlessly.

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>>46665690
But you CAN beat talent. She may have a head start but, there's always another rung. Look at Mr.Beast whn you think of youubers. He is 100% hard work and is likely to become a billionare soon, all through analyziing youtube trends. I;d argue gura has a 10 year head start on most of the other vtubers with eher youtube study and that WAS hard work. Just because she isn't wokring hard now doesn't mean she didn't in the past

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>>46665690
>>46666004
Wasn't she widely depressed as her other self, and on top of that has personal issues that seem to creep up on her every now and then? She isn't a winner in all aspects.

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>>46666004
She just made meme songs that blew up and then kept doing them

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>>46636765
What is the point of this thread ?
You just want to say you are not worthy her time so she doesn't need to stream ?
Cuck

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/vt/ is the only board where the majority of the community genuinely believes the vtuber equivalent of the MCU, Naruto, CoD, and other mass marketed goyslop is actually the peak of the medium

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>>46668264
Cry more indiecuck

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still waiting for that member's karaoke on monday. I believe!

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All these people saying luck is a skill and that Gura was blessed with this skill are forgetting one thing.
Luck IS a skill, but it's preparation meeting opportunity.
Meaning all these guys saying Gura is lucky are actually downplaying how much effort she actually put into preparing for this break (or how much effort she had to put into enhancing her PL before Hololive came along).
She did not have an easier time of it, I assure you. It's just that she's been in this game longer than most people realize. Saying all that she got was obtained effortlessly insults both her and her efforts.

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>>46668898
>insults both her and her efforts
Oh no how terrible

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>>46668898
...chumbuds and Gura-antis are completely indistinguishable at this point. I can't tell whether this is supposed to be shitting on Gura or circlejerking her.

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>>46636765
I hope she Heath Ledger's herself and ODs on some drugs and they find her dead body with massive horse vibrators inserted in her mouth, pussy, and ass, still vibrating and gyrating days later.

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>>46669864
>there is no such thing as a nuanced opinion, only 'shork good' and 'shork bad'
holy fucking shit

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>>46670170
There is no nuance in that opinion at all. The idea that Gura is some sort of hardworking businesswoman behind the scenes is completely retarded. The vast majority of her content is about as lazy as online content can theoretically be. Maybe this is some great failure of imagination on my part, but I have a hard time even imagining an easier career path than Gura's. Compare Gura to any other popular vtuber and she falls completely short. The fact that you would even imply that Gura is really spending her hours productively when the products of her labor are practically nonexistent is baffling to me. That's why I said you were indistinguishable from an anti, the shit you say is the exact kind of shit a Nijinigger would say to make people hate Gura.

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>She was hated when she was a meme spouting drunkard
>She is hated when she is a sober defacto face of an entire genre
So /vt/ just hate for the sake of hatred?

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>>46670796
First of all, I did not say that she is working hard behind the scenes. That's just an assumption on your part. What I did say is she worked hard, emphasis on past tense. Right preparation + right opportunity equals luck. That's why she's the biggest vtuber on the planet in terms of subcount and is now resting on her laurels (not that it's a good thing). That's why I believe those who imply how she got here with barely any effort are lowkey shitting on her.
What she does deserve flak for are her current actions. Barely any streams, no communication, and playing hide-and-seek with her fans is hardly admirable conduct. If she continues this, she'll get her comeuppance. Like how everyone else does.
>>46670987
More or less.

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>>46668264
Yeah it is fucking amazing that they say Gura has charisma just because she has 4 million subs, while a charisma black hole like Logan Paul has 23 million subs on YouTube

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>>46636765
Hololive EN's mascot.. it's over she'll never return to streaming

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>>46672268
At this rate Omega would have been more active than Gura

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>>46671122
>What she does deserve flak for are her current actions. Barely any streams, no communication, and playing hide-and-seek with her fans is hardly admirable conduct. If she continues this, she'll get her comeuppance. Like how everyone else does.

That's the thing, the whole Hololive business model enables her to still be rich and not do shit because there are no regulations that's enforceable in the company and she still has cash rolling in from passive sources such as VOD views and merch. She doesn't need memberships, she doesn't need superchats, because she's making way more by doing nothing. Also there is no incentive to stream nor anything that mandates she has to stream. Things were fine 2 years ago because there seemed to have been actual structure in place to make people have schedules, updates on twitter, etc. That all went away - because I guess since after they made it past year 1 they can pretty much do whatever as a privilege.

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>>46671122
>What I did say is she worked hard, emphasis on past tense.
Is having luck with the algorithm working hard to you or something? She fucking did meme songs sporadically. It's honestly incredibly insulting to other holos who actually worked hard saying that Gura ever worked hard in her youtube life

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Maybe she took a page out of her friend's book, Belle, and decided to milk the simps with low effort.

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>>46672707
I'm thinking that Gura has gotten too big for Cover to touch without her being able to retaliate in turn (ex. leaving Cover when she's still the face of the company) and hurting their bottom line. They should've both supported her and kept her on a leash at the same time. Now they can't even make her stream more than three times despite an IPO and a change in EN management.
>>46673040
>keeping up with what's trendy and releasing relevant content with good timing doesn't take effort
Okay.
To be fair to the other Holos who worked hard (like, say, Kiara), it definitely sucks. Though this is where the 'opportunity' part of the 'preparation plus opportunity' equation comes in. Kiara definitely has the talent (thus the 'preparation') but the opportunities handed to her were shitty up until she finally got into Hololive
>inb4 the inevitable Gura vs Kiara comparison
Just brought in Kiara as an example. She's a great vtuber in her own right.

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>>46673361
>>keeping up with what's trendy and releasing relevant content with good timing doesn't take effort
I'm glad you understand. It indeed takes more effort to build your own content instead of doing memes. Spend a week watching shorts and you'll understand

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>>46673419
>twisting my words instead of coming up with an actual argument
How sharp of you. But ogey.

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>>46636765
Okay, and? No streams, no sub, simple as.

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>>46637335
>/mu/
I still remember when Ame btfo a /mu/ retard live.
So keep deluding yourself childfucker...she wasn't even among the best in Holofest this year (like last year).

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>>46673361
>(ex. leaving Cover when she's still the face of the company)
I would had believed this if she was still the face of Holomeet. But she isn't.
The Rushia fallout show Cover will find a way to stay afloat even if a big holo leavea.

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>>46674340
She was in Hololive Meet 2022 though
So her non-presence in Hololive Meet 2023 could mean something

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>>46636765
>god-tier voice
It's cute without being high pitched kawaii uguu, but that's all she can do. It's like an actor who can only play one type of character, but it's so popular that he's set for life.

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>>46636765
Shes willing to be seen an lazy just to give her colleagues a chance to catch up, yet they never do.
Shes just a generational talent and theres nothing anyone can do about it

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>>46663186
Epigenetics is just environmental factors that activate your genes

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>>46636765
>Think about it.
no