Give me your best-reasoned explanations for why no EN3 yet.

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Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:04:44 2023 No.46053496 [Reply] [Original]

Give me your best-reasoned explanations for why no EN3 yet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:05:55 2023 No.46053552 a non-schizo reason is that they're still giving the current EN more room and time to grow and they'd sooner debut a new JP gen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:07:01 2023 No.46053588 The 1 million subs theory is correct. Cover cares a lot about subscribers

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:07:08 2023 No.46053591 >>46053552 I dunno, feels like they had enough time already. But yes, I do think that JP7 will come sooner.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:15:38 2023 No.46053948 >>46053588 So will Project HOPE get another member when IRyS hits 1M?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:17:22 2023 No.46054019 >>46053496 I personally asked Yagoo not to debut a new gen cause I have enough to watch already

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:18:41 2023 No.46054087 >>46053496 3 is the holos' magic number, look what happened to gen3 and ID3 which were successful in their own rights other than that, the graduation/termination rrat still persists; someone has to get canned first

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:20:56 2023 No.46054192 >>46053496 Not doing as well as Gen 1 and got spooked.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:21:49 2023 No.46054240

>>46053496
IPO.

If they debuted an EN3 last week, they'd have to say that their HoloEN branch has 15 members instead of 10, which looks worse given their entire angle for investors was 'look how many subs we have with fewer members' and a weeks' worth of growth would dilute their numbers.

Also, the EN fanbase treats most branches as a shiny new toy. Holostars were abandoned when Tempus came out, and Vanguard weren't wanted. ID2 were abandoned when Council came out. Cover rely too heavily on EN fans for all of their branches that an EN3 would have had a huge negative impact on their arguments for overseas expansion, and this is to say nothing of the fact that HoloEN and StarsEN are both in a seemingly unsalvageable decline while ID and JP are not.

It's actually quite impressive how EN can simultaneously be 30% of Cover's profits whilst also being a total wasteland of actual content.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:23:03 2023 No.46054301
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>>46053496
Hololive had long planned on taking the Stars market. It's different from the Girls'. They thought HoloEN girls could hold their own, but didn't foresee Sana's graduation, and Ina and Gura taking a break. The remaining girls still did well through the competition's acceleration plans. Give them credit for that. Since Hololive doesn't half-ass projects, they continued their separate project as planned with Stars. It's not a failure since it taps into the competition, not the girls' market. As for the drama, blame it more on the girls' handling of it, than the men. Another reason for EN3's delay is that they are ensuring quality idol/artist talents than those just wanting to stream. As described in their recent strategies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:23:08 2023 No.46054305 >>46053496 T3mpus

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:24:43 2023 No.46054399 >>46053552 It's been 19 months since council.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:25:16 2023 No.46054428 >>46053496 They can't afford it based on their financial report.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:28:23 2023 No.46054597 >>46053496 They unironically thought HoloEN fans would accept Tempus.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:29:36 2023 No.46054656

>>46053496
because this isn't nijisanji.
in all seriousness, yagoo is probably satisfied at the moment with the current number of talents. but other anons are probably right, we might get another jp wave first.
holomyth still has an iron grip on the en market so they're pretty safe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:30:31 2023 No.46054704 Why do you need it so badly. Are you that bored of your oshi, because I will never be bored with mine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:34:58 2023 No.46054936 >>46054656 >because this isn't nijisanji. Its been almost two years since EN2, sister.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:35:02 2023 No.46054942 >>46053496 Disbanding Stars only benefits Nijisisters. Why they falseflag the catalog so much. Though I don't watch Stars, I enjoy that they give NijiEN constant pressure. So they can implode on themselves. Just that is worth their existence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:36:20 2023 No.46055009 >>46054942 Sisters realized a long time ago that the existence of Tempus does more damage to HoloEN than to NijiEN.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:37:04 2023 No.46055048 >>46053496 EN vtubing scene is fucking garbage

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:38:06 2023 No.46055095 after several rounds of auditions, they haven't found a single viable candidate

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:38:53 2023 No.46055147 >>46053496 (You)

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:40:14 2023 No.46055218 >>46053496 ID4 is coming

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:40:48 2023 No.46055249 >>46054704 They don't have an oshi. They jump from the newest thing to the other.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:41:38 2023 No.46055296 >>46053496 Males are less lazy and work harder. They will debut Tempus 3 instead.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:43:16 2023 No.46055387

>>46053496
look back the numbers several months after en2 debuted. Council barely added new viewers to the viewerbase pie, all they did was take existing viewers and revenue from previous gens. So at what point does it justify adding en3 if it will only further cannibalize existing viewerbase? This is why cover retardly thought moving into a complete new category like homoEN was rational.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:44:00 2023 No.46055426 >>46055387 HoloEN doesn't stream enough for overlap to become an issue even with a new gen

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:44:23 2023 No.46055443 >>46053496 Can't find 5 EN non-total-whores

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:44:25 2023 No.46055445 >>46054428 but they could afford 8 homos

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:44:58 2023 No.46055469

>>46055009
Those numbers that Tempus get are from NijiEN's audience. As for some of the girls' decline, blame their handling of it....showing their true colors, not knowing their audience? Just like in JP and ID, it's optional for the girls to engage, and some still do fine collabing with them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:47:16 2023 No.46055580 >>46053496 Cover realized that EN vtubing was a mistake and is just waiting for it to die of naturally.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:48:18 2023 No.46055641

>>46053496
Cover is incompetent. The horrendous model they gave Irys and thinking that Sana was a good pick at all proved it. They failed to properly scout girls for EN3, so small corpos picked them up instead. Then they prioritized adding two waves of men, because Yagoo is a faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:49:16 2023 No.46055688 >>46054936 And? I prefer their attemps at quality control instead of them just debuting randos who barely meet the criteria for the hell of it. You guys want 3 more Sanas or what? >>46055095 No new gooba killer..

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:50:02 2023 No.46055739 >>46053496 Who is one indie chuuba that would fit into hololive EN?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:51:31 2023 No.46055816 >>46055739 YFU Baby

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:53:40 2023 No.46055924 >>46055296 I want this for no other reason than watching the spaghetti sperg from unitards

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:55:15 2023 No.46056020 >>46055426 did you forget how people complained how ENs kept streaming at the same time?? suits at cover can argue that recent dip in streaming is only temporary due to "health" issues and shouldn't justify launching EN3 yet

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:55:21 2023 No.46056028

the plan was tempus>EN3 Q1 23>mixed branch>Q3 23. Botching tempus by going full 'educate yourself' 'leave if you don't like it' etc meant they had to do a rethink. Tempus 2 was rushed out to give the now mostly quarantined stars someone else to collab with and En3 will come sometime in the next 6 months. It will be a split of 2 male collabers and 3 unicorn friendly chubbas to serve as a litmus test on how to proceed

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:55:44 2023 No.46056053 >>46055816 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSduSsUbGJs this is the first video that I saw when I clicked on her channel are you fucking serious

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:57:09 2023 No.46056130 >>46056053 She's a whore, which is a perfect fit for EN.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:57:12 2023 No.46056134 >>46054301 >it taps into the competition, not the girls' market Their entire marketing strategy for Tempus this whole time has been forcing integration with the girls to try to tap into their audience.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:57:23 2023 No.46056146 File: 1.89 MB, 1920x900, numbers numbers numbers numbers.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It's being saved for a stock boost around public listing, like Salami was for Niji.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:57:55 2023 No.46056180 >>46056130 kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:58:27 2023 No.46056204 >>46056028 >mixed gen >unicorn friendly I'm interested on the logistics of this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:58:35 2023 No.46056207 >>46056180 Suck my dick first, westoid slut.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:59:38 2023 No.46056268 >>46056053 not that far away from Mori to be fair

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 17:01:51 2023 No.46056380 >>46056053 You'd love it if you had to pay $150 to watch that same performance behind a paywall during holofes, don't lie to yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 17:02:21 2023 No.46056406 do you guys think they already have the roster for en3 though? Imagine not being able to debut for 1+ years. I guess it's still damn worth the wait since it's holo brand but still

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 17:03:24 2023 No.46056471 >>46056380 you're a moron

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 17:03:35 2023 No.46056478 >>46054597 >They unironically thought HoloEN fans would accept Tempus. Yagoo has always wanted holostars to be more popular. That is why EN3 has been delayed and why they are speed running Tempus gens.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 17:11:07 2023 No.46056900

>>46056020
We’ve known why they all streamed within the same time slot, PST prime time, was due to a management directive. I am guess most of the audience theat sends SC or members are in that time zone. Why else does Mori, Bae, and IRyS all stream at a really early time for themselves and not at a time that would be better for them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 17:12:52 2023 No.46056996 >>46053496 no good candidates

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 17:23:03 2023 No.46057537

>>46053496
HoloEN only has limited manpower as seen with that printer tweet recently. The same will be true for their recruitment team. Instead of scouting for EN3 they scouted for Tempus and Tempus 2, electric 3view.
Now HoloEN is in the process of restructuring after the person in charge of these decisions got fired.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 17:30:37 2023 No.46057936

The talent pool has really reclined. Indies have lots of corpos to choose from now. Plus Sana's behavior of barely streaming and early departure probably encouraged some lazy or not so dedicated people to apply because they think they can apply, get in for a couple of months, grow ur fanbase and then dip, I'm not saying that's a valid strategy but it probably polluted the talent pool even more.

Now with all that add on to the new "Tempus filter" every girl has to pass your auditions are a new level of complexity. I wouldn't be surprised if EN3 already had a bunch of private iterations just for one or two being kicked off every few rounds. This also explains all the random meetings the current girls have to attend every day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 17:31:28 2023 No.46057982 Nobody wants a third generation of HoloEN, popular demand calls for the third generation of Tempus

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 17:35:11 2023 No.46058199 >>46053496 The schizos were right and EN3 WAS Tempus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 17:35:43 2023 No.46058230 File: 1.02 MB, 2048x978, 1679909550876988.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>46053496 UH OH SUBSSS SUUUUBS SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUBS >btw pls ignore Kizuna AI and Cookie swirl Go fuck yourself yagoo

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 17:36:44 2023 No.46058288 >>46058230 >Cookie swirl not a vtuber, seethe about it faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 17:40:02 2023 No.46058462 >>46054399 And yet noone has still broken 1 million subs. Meanwhile, JP6 and ID3 continue to incline. Fauna is carrying EN2 on her back

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:00:56 2023 No.46059519 >>46058288 Chumcope https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/CookieSwirlC

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:14:43 2023 No.46060177

>>46053496
Probably going all in on Stars, but I know one thing: they need EN3 in the summer, things are so slow now and most of EN is checked out. They'll be revitalized with new talent, collabing is what everyone loves anyway. Honestly Cover also needs some new ideas, even just an official Hololive video game or VN series. Something to spice things up instead of just more people streaming games and occasionally doing a song cover.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:16:38 2023 No.46060268 >>46053948 No one care with vsinger

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:16:43 2023 No.46060272 File: 29 KB, 554x554, images (6).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Council didn't do well as expected

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:25:20 2023 No.46060693 >>46053496 Why copy nijisanjis downward ACCELERATE?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:26:08 2023 No.46060745 >>46054597 Between the large chunk of overseas Stars fans, Nijisanji EN male growth and people like Mori/Bae/Kronii/Ame pushing unity it's easy to see why Cover came to the misguided conclusion that the western market was different

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:38:00 2023 No.46061312 File: 130 KB, 300x300, Chikafuji_Lisa_-_Headshot.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>46055739 Lisa Litteraly not a crazy girl or any pendering shit they all did in EN Actually a nice girl

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:38:32 2023 No.46061336 >>46053496 cause they're boring

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:39:54 2023 No.46061395 >>46058462 >>46053552 Care to explain why they keep releasing stars then?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:40:04 2023 No.46061408 >>46053496 There have been no good auditions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:40:54 2023 No.46061461 >>46061395 Stars are held to a lower standard than Holos.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:42:32 2023 No.46061527

>>46053496
they're not going to produce en3 when en management can barely produce and push en2. Whether they deserve it or not, en2 is still far far behind in terms of the marketing push, promotion, and support compared to what myth received and even receiving today. So how in the world are they going to produce en3?

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:46:55 2023 No.46061732

>>46053496
I still don't understand why you "people" need EN3. What do you hope to get from another the basic bitch vanilla flavor vtuber company employing five more girls? Do you not have enough talent between the three branches of hololive? Go to fucking nijisanji, vshoujo or whatever the fuck else is there. Still not enough? There's a myriad of indies for (You) personally to groom.
If you're lacking content, it's either because you're not looking or because you're a drama bitch that is literally no different from teenage girls that were on tumblr 10 years ago.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:48:34 2023 No.46061808 >>46053496 tempus was EN3 save new chubas to boost stock value 3D studio backlog. IPO secured money for second studio

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:50:38 2023 No.46061911 >>46061732 >Do you not have enough talent between the three branches of hololive You mean the ones that don't fucking stream 90% of the time?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:51:28 2023 No.46061941 >>46061732 I only watch HoloEN

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:51:38 2023 No.46061944 >>46061312 She can't do her music review content on a japanese corpo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:52:10 2023 No.46061969 >>46053496 we need to make room for the next 5 holohomo gens. Surely if we keep debuting more and more of them and aggressively marketing them eventually they'll become popular!

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:56:56 2023 No.46062177

>>46053496
The actual reason is Luxiem not even a meme. If you seen the discord leak Shu applied and they told him no males. They announced open auditions early November so it was probably actually open October. 2 or so months after luxiem are thriving they announce we’re accepting males as well skipping over stars ID. Whoever made this idea probably had his balls on the line so it had to succeed. They first combined the twitter because no one would follow the boys Twitter and started giving them every milestone possible. Then breaking the collab ban for the extreme collab rush. I had never seen Ame plan so much collabs let alone be in a collab so much in such a short period. I could be wrong but outside minecraft i don’t even think ame collabed with all council they’re second month. Then collabs mysteriously stopped probably management noticing the numbers drop the IPO does show 5-10% drop in overseas viewership at that time. It also brought last minute halloween, forced piko park, IRyS remodel happening in November when even December was up in the air. Putting it like that does seem like course correcting but they released tempiss 2 and have plans for a male vsinger so who knows.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:58:46 2023 No.46062249 File: 71 KB, 598x669, FsF5OwLXsAADLe9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>46061944 Can i cope ? Thanks

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:00:40 2023 No.46062320

>>46061732
Or people don’t watch the whores of EN are left with a limited pool. It’s such a weird argument you can watch these 10 why do you need 5 more obviously because I’m not watching all 10 and I obviously only watch Holos. It really can’t be hard to think critically.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:01:04 2023 No.46062349

>>46061732
>>46061941

>barely any collabo
>no branch events, ame is done with this shit
>council hasn't been the same since sanner
>no stream shark, no stream octopus
>mori and ame are divisive, kiara works hard but not universally palatable for other reasons
it's not about not having others to watch. it's about wanting EN not to be a complete shitshow. 3D and fes was a start but the streaming side is still bleak.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:01:22 2023 No.46062357

>>46061732
Hololive chuuba are held to a higher standard unlike niggersanji and vshitshow. Having five more girls forced into a degree of professionalism rather than wallowing in the degenerative radiation of inferior corpos and indies is a positive thing

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:01:26 2023 No.46062364 >>46053552 But they don't stream, how are they supposed to grow

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:02:10 2023 No.46062391 >>46061944 What type of music review that sounds interesting?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:02:40 2023 No.46062412 >>46062357 Is that why they stop streaming when they join?

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:16:30 2023 No.46063078

>>46062412
No they stop because management literally stopped getting perms then killed everything they tried and sunk money into well at least for Gura. Imagine sinking thousands into that animation, probably going over budget for the live so again your money and jazz track for your song. Thousands maybe more and management tells you yea you can’t release that. You send a list if games you want to play missing for 2 months. Management is definitely less incompetent for the boys though. Your song really reached half a million we have to fund the next masterpiece ourselves. You want these games last minute for debut no problem. We told the girls we definitely can’t get this game but hey they don’t have 100k subs. Watch the holocure stream where she talked about doing react content she had no idea what to do or play and sounded a little depressed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:18:51 2023 No.46063200 >>46061395 IT'S BEEN 19 MONTHS I JUST NEED SOME NIGGAS THAT STREAM

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:20:31 2023 No.46063281 >>46053496 They're waiting for Pika to join.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:20:41 2023 No.46063291 >>46063078 Gura hasn't finished like half of the games she has played, what is this cope. Plus they have perms for nearly every major japanese company

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:24:21 2023 No.46063462

>>46053496
working with western girls was such a nightmare that cover has decided to raise their own "EN girls" in a isolated apartment complex in california.
they will be brought up on japanese culture by japanese parents, will be homeschooled and force fed idol culture until they are old enough to stream.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:24:37 2023 No.46063473 >>46058288 By this point she probably has more hours as a vtuber than guras entire stream time

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:25:09 2023 No.46063507 No one in Council is at 1 million subs yet, simple really

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:28:43 2023 No.46063691 File: 14 KB, 319x282, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>46053496 >no EN3 Cover is just that retarded

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:31:10 2023 No.46063796

>>46062349
Good post.

EN1 was a smashing success right out of the gates but EN2 to the present has been enough of a mixed bag that Cover is now pumping the brakes. Cover absolutely wants EN3 to happen but I think they're going to keep a tighter leash on it. They're not going to allow for as much risk. They're not going to launch EN3 until they have five rock-solid talents who can pick up the slack.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:33:31 2023 No.46063932 >>46053496 They don't fucking watch auditions.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:49:30 2023 No.46064788

>>46060177
Agreed. Like it or not Stars are siphoning Niji dollars, they're building a new fanbase, and even with their smaller numbers they are profitable. Sure, some of the current girls have lost viewership/revenue for handling the male collab situation poorly, but that's acceptable growing pains and the 'damage' has been done, no need to abort now, it won't change what's already happened.
Personally I expect an EN 3 announcement and teaser after the first US concert, debuts around August, and Tempus 3 announced shortly thereafter with less fanfare but 1 or 2 male-friendly members of EN 3 + Mori pumping them up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:52:01 2023 No.46064909 >>46053496 not enough management and holostars took the timeslot of en3

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:52:19 2023 No.46064922 >>46064788 >lost viewership/revenue for handling the male collab situation poorly this was never reflected in the numbers

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:53:53 2023 No.46064999 >>46064922 Nice bait! Someone will be along with a SEA poorfag's interpretation of an average CCV chart shortly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 20:00:39 2023 No.46065303 >>46064788 >I expect an EN 3 announcement and teaser after the first US concert, debuts around August This would put them a full 2 years after EN2. Like, they're already way too late, but that's bordering on comical

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 20:12:58 2023 No.46065925 >>46061395 Tempus was meant to be 6 from the start but they grabbed 2 more then broken into 2 different releases. Releasing 6-8 at once would have had more of a negative impact than 4.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 20:15:09 2023 No.46066028

The truth is
Tempus was supposed to be EN3. Almost all of the marketing seems to indicate that they were supposed to be the next gen, on top of that you have omegas announcements talking about how "guys are part of hololive too" almost nothing seemed to actually indicate that they would be considered their own separate branch, I think that this failed spectacularly though and now they're just kind of sitting on their thumbs waiting to see what else happens because it turns out that two groups of male streamers still aren't that comparable to any of the females in the company.
I guess I do have to wonder if they are waiting for council to reach 1 million subscribers but honestly I just think that for the most part they were supposed to be EN3

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 20:24:43 2023 No.46066542 >>46053496 the test is sex (with me) and all of them end up disappointed and leaving, sorry guys

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 20:46:02 2023 No.46067600

>>46061732
All I ever wanted was HoloJP but EN. That's all I wanted.
The sudden storylines forming in minecraft or Ark or any cooperative game. The unexpected friendships and nice offcollabs between members that weren't expected. Cool group projects and tournaments.
All of this without having to leech JP organized stuff. All forming from within the EN branch.
I guess it was only possible on a small nation like japan with everyone living close and on the same timezone.
I guess it was just all a hopeless dream.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 20:48:47 2023 No.46067731 >>46053496 They saw what is happening with Niji in just pumping out waves without fact checking who the fuck they are hiring.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 20:56:03 2023 No.46068117 >>46053496 They're aiming for late August/ early September. Same as Council I think.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:04:55 2023 No.46068580 They haven't found a good western hag yet

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:06:34 2023 No.46068658 >>46055688 At this point I'll take 5 Ollies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:08:39 2023 No.46068756 >>46061312 I want her and Amiya in EN3

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:10:21 2023 No.46068851 >>46068117 They're 6 months late then

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:12:01 2023 No.46068933 >>46061395 Because they learned from myth that releasing a single gen and having them fend for themselves puts too much pressure on the talents.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:20:35 2023 No.46069367

Even if HoloEN got a new gen of all female vtubers, the market is so over saturated and fatigued that they would just be spreading their own audience thin. Another gen would be lucky to reach half the subscriber count and average CCV as Council. If they want to see any success, Cover would need to do something different to draw in a new audience, but that might upset long-time Hololive fans who only want more of the same.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:22:24 2023 No.46069482 >>46068756 Amiya would kill herself because of the corpo perms

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:23:33 2023 No.46069548

Trying for once writing a non shitpost answer, after watching HoloFest I felt, there really fucking lot of girls in Holo, in vacuum HoloEn might look small but Holo as whole is probably bigger than what cover can manage, specially since graduation are so few and far between I think cover made the conscious decision to slam the break on the female branch debuts, would it have been better to do that after EN3? yes for the EN fans yes but cover likely only so the whole picture of Hololive as whole and didn't consider the individual audiences, just think if if debut continue at the usual pace we would have 13 new girls' a year with a average of only 2 leaving that just not sustainable for cover.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:24:22 2023 No.46069601 File: 176 KB, 1500x1500, 1652031691391751.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>46069482 She should stream it.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:33:53 2023 No.46070065

>>46069548
Yagoo has said before that he doesn't want to debut on a schedule, he wants to find and support talent. It's a corporate-sounding answer but given the range of personalities he's collected, as well as the Stars JP branches (which are basically charity vanity projects for Yagoo), I really believe it. We may get EN 3 this year, but it will only be if they find a group of girls who really add something to the current roster, who they don't think will simply leech the current girl's audiences. Leeching and killing off 'livers' is the Nijisanji practice, they accelerate and only successful talents thrive. Hololive doesn't do that. They induct you into their network and support you no matter what.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:34:47 2023 No.46070115 >>46053552 >room to grow >More than half of them barely stream >There's days where there's only 1 stream (either Fauna or Kiara) uhuh

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:36:10 2023 No.46070173 >>46058230 >Cookie swirl Using your retarded logic pewdiepie and veibae's boyfriend should be on that list.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:41:56 2023 No.46070457

>>46064788
>like it or not Stars are siphoning Niji dollars, they're building a new fanbase,
Hahahahaha, there's websites that show you audience overlap. And guess which fanbase is losing viewers to holostars EN?
Deadbeats.
Chinese Fujos and twitter troons aren't watching stars.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:42:39 2023 No.46070497

>>46053496
Their 3D studio has been backlogged, and they can't afford any more talents until they expand their facilities. Hence the IPO, which they justify as a need to expand their workforce and facilities, including building that bigger mocap studio.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:43:51 2023 No.46070553 >>46070173 Yes. Next question.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:44:56 2023 No.46070602 >>46070457 >Mori narratives again Post the charts sister, let's see it

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:47:38 2023 No.46070741 >>46063291 That’s true your point? Why does she have to finish a game she didn’t like if she wants a new game give it to her that’s literally the guys one job. The Japanese company thing is mainly for jp en runs into problems alot trying to use it

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:52:11 2023 No.46070956 >>46053496 Like all things with cover, they gotta be shipped from NA/EU to Japan, then back to NA/EU. Takes a long time please undastand

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:52:27 2023 No.46070972 >>46069548 You mean compared to 12 new guys? Literally not a good point especially since they plan on releasing more en guys and stars id. Give me one solid reason why more girls is crazy but more guys is super sane and not like niji in any way

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:53:12 2023 No.46071003 >>46053588 guess the mark for the boys is 100K lol

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:55:50 2023 No.46071136

>>46070497
maybe I'm naive but wouldn't adding more streamers bring in more revenue? it doesn't take long after debut before cover turns a profit on EN girls. They'd have more money to play with and a loan would be a lot safer a bet if they had three generations of girls in NA

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:55:59 2023 No.46071140

>>46063796
>as much risk
In your head you think this means "no h*ckin males and more streams" but what it actually means is that 90% of their content will be block game and stuff like mumei's 'breakup' karoake from 2022 valentines or stuff like the kanauru or walfie shit or kronii being retarded in general will not be allowed, killing both the branch and the motivation for the girls to stream (which somehow will still not be contractually obligated at least 3 times a week). Plus the girls will still be drawn from the same pool of twitch thots who saw japan make streaming as anime big and they want some of that money so they will still suck. Double plus is the fact all streams will still be in that same 6 PM-11 PM EST part of the day they all crowd into.

>>	a Mon Mar 27 21:58:31 2023 No.46071275 theyre all prenganent with my babies

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:59:42 2023 No.46071333 >>46053496 All the talented females have gone to Idol, EIEN, Phase, and NijiEN.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 22:00:00 2023 No.46071346 >>46053496 Towa

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 22:01:26 2023 No.46071415

>>46066028
Tempus is the 3rd 'group' of holostars, with holostars original flavoring, uproar and tempus following.

>>46067600
I don't think this is true because in small companies you have weird spontaneous friendships like in /pkg/ where Peony from gen3 and shee from gen2 became buddies over their shared love of horror games like Dead by Daylight and they like to co-op a lot. I think it's literally because they handed a million dollars to streamers who had made pocket change before and suddenly they were like "I now have an opinion on income taxes".

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 22:03:02 2023 No.46071498

>>46061944
>>46061312
>>46068756
Cover and Negrosanji in a bad spot because people who actually like being vtubers and don't mind having 200 consistent viewers don't want to 'get rich' in their companies (implying nijinegros can do this anymore anyway after they burned all their bridges) while losing the SOVL of their content, leaving them only with the types who want the money but lack SOVL.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 22:09:01 2023 No.46071799 >>46053496 Grotesquely over-saturated market rn

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 22:23:40 2023 No.46072541

>>46071415
Sure I don't necessarily disagree they're the third group of holostars but they were also heavily hinted at being en3 up until they debuted with slightly above average holostars success.
Truthfully speaking most everything out there pointed towards them being hololive ens 3rd gen. The sudden push of the narrative "Hololive is for guys too!!" From both omega and the emphasis on it from the application, you can say that it was the third holostars gen but it was also the third en gen.
It wasn't until half the girls took a massive step to distance themselves from boys being in hololive that they stopped kinda pushing the narrative that Tempus was en 3

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 22:31:49 2023 No.46072958 >>46056134 Ah yes, so many forced collabs between the girls and Tempus...yes yes... >looks at the whopping 3? 4? in the last 3 months So full of shit. Can't even get your rrats straight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 22:35:40 2023 No.46073131 >>46072958 He didn't say forced collabs he said forced integration and he's right. Like I said above, tempus was heavily advertised as being en3 up until they got a ton of backlash from both the girls and the fans for it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 22:38:53 2023 No.46073297 >>46073131 >Tempus is not EN3 homobegger! >...tempus was heavily advertised as being en3 So, which is it? Like I said, you retards can't even get your rrats straight.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 22:43:06 2023 No.46073554

>>46072541
Omega is one of those faggots who 'translates' shit into a completely different meaning and then insists it's 'localization'. Like if the japanese text says
>you shitty brat, come with me
Omega would translate it to
>you unfeminist child, this mommy is about to dommy you

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 22:45:53 2023 No.46073715 >>46073297 >So, which is it? They originally intended to integrate them due to astroturfed "popular demand', got tremendous blowback, and then backed off. That's not contradictory and is likely true. How is this difficult to understand?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 22:51:17 2023 No.46074008 >>46053496 The girls are against it because it will add more competition. They want to keep their one stream per month schedule.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 22:52:07 2023 No.46074055

>>46073715
Basically yeah
>>46073297
I firmly believe they were originally supposed to be en 3 because cover thought there would be a large demand for males due to 2views and vtweeters thinking they'd have a chance of getting hyped up for a chance to be with their oshis.
But those same people who were hyped for it didn't end up watching the guys who debuted and the boys got backlash for collabing with girls with several of the girls pretty much pretending they don't exist.

So I think they were originally planned to be EN3 but were eventually forced into their own place as "en stars"

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 22:52:24 2023 No.46074073

>>46073715
Yeah, sorry, you aren't convincing anyone with hypotheticals. More than half the girls don't even acknowledge their existence, and never have from the very fucking beginning.
Where's this supposed forced integration then? From the 4 girls who have done likely no more than a dozen collabs with them?
Its ok to not like Tempus, but these rrats are fucking stupid as are the people who perpetuate them.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 22:54:28 2023 No.46074192

>>46073554
Sure I won't say that omega is good by any means but I will say that there was a lot of talk about guys getting into hololive and omega only furthered that talk. I fully stand by the theory that they were originally planning on guys being a part of hololive until a good number of actual fans were against it

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 22:55:54 2023 No.46074271

>>46071498
I agree with most of this, although I think this is very much an EN-specific problem. There *is* an added appeal to going corpo in JP, which is that in JP, vtubing can be more than just streams. The first thing the nips do when they find a successful franchise is find ways to spam it everywhere across mediums and make it more than whatever it started as (a manga, light novel, video game, vtuber, etc).
That’s *kind* of there for HoloEN, but it’s nowhere near the same. It’s *barely* there for NijiEN. The EN branches can’t offer the same buffs as the JP branches get, and importantly, they still have to deal with the same debuffs as JP (namely perms autism).

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 22:56:27 2023 No.46074307 >>46053496 the last one is a shitshow, i dont think they are going to be able to handle another massive failure.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 22:57:55 2023 No.46074382

>>46074073
This entire thread is hypotheticals tho. We're talking about theories and not a single one of us has an actual clue as to why it's been damn near two years since the last gen
But if you want to talk about the forced integration, look at how they were advertised and brought up even their debut trailer originally didn't hint at them being their own thing, they were supposed to be gen3 up until the very same backlash you're talking about occurred. The girls did not want them and a good number of fans didn't either

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:02:21 2023 No.46074648

>>46074073
>Where's this supposed forced integration then?
Why did the holostars have a separate new years live, but also appeared on the girl's live?
Why is there a separate holostars twitter account, but the hololive account is shared with the boys?
Why is there a separate official holostars subreddit, but the hololive subreddit is shared with the boys?
Why did they only create a holoproEN twitter account a month before Tempus debuted?
Why did they stop everyone from streaming over the holostars debuts?
Why did the collab ban end early for tempus?

Like it or not, Cover is trying to force the girl's audience to like the boys. It clearly doesn't work, but I guess they don't know what else to do to help them.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:03:51 2023 No.46074729

>>46061732
To me its mainly the games choices council and myth tackle, on top of a lot of them not streaming.

I like Kronii as a Vtuber but fucking hate her games choices, to the point Fauna is becoming my oshi slowly just because the combo of games i wanna watch + adorable personality is great. I also just want more variety on the EN side since i dont know JP or ID, even tho some girls in ID interest me the sudden change to talking in ID is annoying, same thing with Irys that at times i feel she should have debuted as JP vtuber that knows EN instead of the other way around.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:05:09 2023 No.46074807

>>46074271
Honestly speaking it's barely there for both groups. Shit, myth JUST got their official 3d nearly 3 years after debut. It took two years for IRyS to get a new model and outfit and one of the biggest controversies of last year was when ame had to rig up a makeshift 3d for the anniversary cuz cover wouldn't give her shit.
This is the first year hololive has involved its en branch at all if I'm not mistaken.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:06:19 2023 No.46074882 >>46054240 OK "businessman"

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:07:22 2023 No.46074954 >>46053496 The fact that HoloES will debut first before EN3 is the funniest shit I'll see.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:07:49 2023 No.46074989

>>46053496
I've got 3 theories and which you believe depends on your level of cynicism.
>Theory 1
Council is underperforming compared to the expectations set by Myth and EN3 won't happen until one of the Councils hits 1M.
>Theory 2
Yagoo and Cover are content with their stake in the EN market and don't believe that adding additional talent will help them capture a significantly larger portion of the market.
>Theory 3
Cover places a lot of value on sub count. It's a huge point that they try to sell to potential investors. Debuting a new gen that might be slow to get off the ground in terms of sub count right when Cover is courting investors might be a risk that they are unwilling to take.
I think Theory 3 has some real merit considering it has been over a year since any girls debuted from any branch. Sure it has been the longest for EN, but even Kobo is a year old now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:08:24 2023 No.46075021 >>46071003 Two of VG already hit that. I'm guessing they've increased the bar to 200k maybe even 300k.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:09:18 2023 No.46075074 >>46053496 All the applicants for EN3 are shit. Simple as.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:11:04 2023 No.46075183

>>46074648
Ok, Ill concede those points, I don't really have a counterargument there. I always have found it weird that they force the Stars posts on the Hololive subreddit.
>>46074382
But this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jar19J3HXQY
Clearly says Holostars English right on the thumbnail and at the end of the video. So unless you are implying they changed their entire strategy in the 3 days between the teaser video and the one I linked, you are full of shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:15:34 2023 No.46075402 >>46053496 they unironically thought that tempiss and tempoop were good enough

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:16:36 2023 No.46075464 >>46075074 most likely 100% this anyone who'd want to be in EN3 is a nobody anyone who'd be worth taking into EN3 is already doing better as an indie there probably isn't even anyone to grab via nepotism after Sana happened

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:18:38 2023 No.46075580

>>46075183
I think they were never all in on the strategy to begin with honestly. It always gave them a way out to say
>Haha we totally didn't plan on this being the third gen! It's not like we spent the past few months advertising it as such and telling everyone how guys were a part of hololive too or anything!!! Haha
It's just my rrat, you can take it for whatever it's worth (nothing more than any of the others itt). But I do firmly believe that between the constant push for guys and the lack of distinction between stars and Hololive up until the end makes it very believable that they were supposed to be EN3 up until backlash

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:21:13 2023 No.46075712 >>46075464 >...via nepotism... I'm still not convinced Bae isn't going to get Miori in if EN3 does happen. >supposedly going on hiatus in July >EN concert in July which is likely when EN3 will be announced if its actually going to happen Just saying.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:22:19 2023 No.46075775 >>46075712 Afaik miori is just taking a year off for school she's got no plans of graduating, I think that's what I heard at least

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:22:48 2023 No.46075805 >>46075712 Miori's parents are forcing her to stop vtubing, so no EN3.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:23:47 2023 No.46075853 >>46074882 tbf that´s the most razonable response we will ever get on this schizo board

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:27:53 2023 No.46076068

>>46075775
>>46075805
Still not convinced. If she can get into Hololive, she can afford to live on her own and not depend on her parents.
Besides, theres nothing to say she cant do both. At the very least, we know that Bae, Mumei and Haachama are/were doing both at the same time. Wouldn't be surprised if theres more that we dont know of.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:28:04 2023 No.46076080 >>46053496 omega hasn't come up with new lore that nobody cares about yet

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:30:03 2023 No.46076202

>>46053496
Because EN3 (and ID4) needs to be more like HoloX than like Myth/Council.
EN (and ID) have no reasonable 3D content production process in place. Even though fans demands to see the same shit that JP talents get.
It was easier and less stressing for holoproEN to use 2022 to launch StarsEN to train new JP managers and hit the competition on that side of the market while they rollout the immediate 3D studio expansion.
This will allow far better content planning for ID4 (currently being scouted) and EN3 (already scouted long ago and are waiting for a good timing).
EN4 before the end of the year btw

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:32:53 2023 No.46076394 >>46076068 I think she's pretty dedicated to her studies anon, it's one thing to be optimistic but another to be delusional

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:37:21 2023 No.46076599 >>46053496 quality over quantity

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:39:43 2023 No.46076721

>>46076394
I dont know much about her desu. And I could care less if she did or did not get in. Its just a rrat I choose to believe in until proven otherwise.
>>46076202
Is the spoiler a typo or are you actually implying we will get 2 EN gens before the end of the year? kek

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:41:58 2023 No.46076859
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What should be the theme for EN3? i really want them to do Elemental something, like mages or adventurers, i know some girls already have a elemental theme but they could always use those elements that arent as popular. I want a earth elemental brown tomboy vtuber

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:44:06 2023 No.46076974 >>46076859 >...or adventurers They will not do this, it would draw too many parallels to Tempus, and that would be a giant shit show. Unless thats the intention. In which case, I would look forward to the meltdowns all over. Lol.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:47:29 2023 No.46077151 >>46076974 i said adventurers mostly because i dont think a 5 girl mage gen vtubers would be as popular as girls with different skills and weapons that ALSO have elemental powers. Also tempus doesnt have a mage so thats untapped potential.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:47:42 2023 No.46077170 >>46076859 >>46076974 They will do something like a villains theme to parallel Tempiss instead I feel. They aren't EN3 but they were the next generations lined up for last year.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:48:27 2023 No.46077219

>>46074954
It wouldn't be so ridiculous if there wasn't such a big gap between EN1 and 2 and then this complete colossal gap after EN2.
A different timeline with EN1 then very shortly singer, then EN2, ES, EN3 all with a healthy amount of time between them.
Would have been a more robust lineup with around 21 members to settle down.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:50:04 2023 No.46077332

>>46074648
>Like it or not, Cover is trying to force the girl's audience to like the boys.
I think Yagoo was originally going to push HoloPro collabs even more to boost Tempus. He might still be planning on trying that if they announce Tempus 3 in June and EN3 in July.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:54:16 2023 No.46077567 >>46077332 If StarsEN3 happens before EN3, the backlash will be immense. Not just from /here/ but from Reddit and Twitter as well. Hell, the Hololive subreddit was already having a meltdown when VG was announced.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:54:29 2023 No.46077577 >>46074271 >>46074807 Also small companies spamming 3D to get views, like productor kawaii and boyfriend connect.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:56:22 2023 No.46077682 >>46076202 >spoiler Where would they find that many people? There is nobody left but 2-views to pick from, and anyone larger than that would immediately be recognized. This isn't 2020 (sadly).

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:57:09 2023 No.46077731 >>46076974 Omega here, the new generation of girls will collab with tempus from day 1. It will include altare's ex (the one whose dad he stole the chili recipe from).

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:59:45 2023 No.46077882 >Cover trying to find the perfect set of people to shine in En 3 and make it successful >they don't realize normal people are better than previously famous people En 3 might take a while more

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:59:50 2023 No.46077886

>>46074954
It's based, especially when you end up with
>american latina who speaks english better than spanish
>girl literally from spain (LATIN AMERICANS HATE IT) with more in common with Kiara
>mexican chick that lives in california
>colombian chick that lives in florida
>girl who speaks porteno and gets infinite donos in ARS (CHE BOLUDO, QUERES MATE?)

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:59:56 2023 No.46077892

Cover only gives EN a finite amount of resources, and with the number of popular female vtubers EN management was worried about oversaturation (, so decided to use 2022 to focus on males to prevent Nijisanji from monopolizing that market. They thought (wrongly) that EN fans would remain satisfied with the existing talents and/or would gravitate towards StarsEN in large quantities.

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 00:08:13 2023 No.46078363

My theory: like most companies with an international branch, Cover HQ is more hands off than you think. It’s not even that they don’t understand foreign trends and culture, they literally don’t speak the language. Since Omega lucked into Myth it took until Tempus fucking crashing and burning to allow the leadership to axe him. But changing course like that requires replacing the leadership/management and time to shitcan old projects and start new ones. If you’ve ever worked in a decent sized corpo you’ve seen this happen multiple times

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 00:08:48 2023 No.46078393
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Forget about incompetent management. The lack of viable candidates. Yadda yadda yadda. Those are bullshit excuses. The real reason they haven't debuted EN3 is because the girls themselves are against it. They'd be forced to stream to prevent the mass exodus of their paypigs. They're so fucking used to streaming once a week and still earn fuck off money. They want to keep that status quo. There's a reason the first advice Myth gave Council was to fucking "take it easy". It's ridiculous.

If you want to blame someone for the lack of new EN members, blame the girls.

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 00:09:45 2023 No.46078452

>>46069367
>Even if HoloEN got a new gen of all female vtubers, the market is so over saturated and fatigued that they would just be spreading their own audience thin.
I keep seeing people say this but it just doesn't seem to be true. We had two fairly new corpos with almost no name recognition, idol Corp and Eien Project, debut their first EN Gens over the past few months to shocking success. The most extreme example being Rin who, after being blessed by the shorts algorithm, now has more subs than anybody from Tempus2 and regularly hits 1k viewers; and at the rate she is growing, she will likely start overtaking Tempus1 before long. And that's not even mentioning the staggering growth from other vtubers like Pippa, for example.

Granted, these numbers would be disappointing for a new holoEN gen, but it shows that there is a hunger for new, interesting, actually entertaining talents.

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 00:12:11 2023 No.46078600 [DELETED]

>>46075580
while I understand and agree with your statement of women being actively malicious, I'm pretty sure they are too lazy and spiteful to actually form a cohesive resistance against their own replacements, the top ones especially probably are too arrogant to even fathom such a threat

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 00:13:27 2023 No.46078684

>>46078393
while I understand and agree with your statement of women being actively malicious, I'm pretty sure they are too lazy and spiteful to actually form a cohesive resistance against their own replacements, the top ones especially probably are too arrogant to even fathom such a threat

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 00:13:54 2023 No.46078709 >>46078452 >I keep seeing people say this but it just doesn't seem to be true. Easy. Because they know it's bullshit but they still tout it because a new HoloEN gen means less eyes on their 2view chuubas.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 00:17:24 2023 No.46078950 >>46053588 so when someone hits 1m is that when they actually start actively recruiting? or do they just have a group ready sitting on the sidelines cause that would be kinda hilarious

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 00:18:09 2023 No.46079006 Mori ate them

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 00:18:31 2023 No.46079029 File: 319 KB, 1200x675, 1673259423683427.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] We already got EN3.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 00:28:20 2023 No.46079646 >>46078363 Council crashed and burned. They axed him and new JP-based management got the best gen 1 starsEN could ever get.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 00:31:28 2023 No.46079837 >>46078950 We know that CouncilRyS and Tempus were acquainted with their own gen for weeks/months before debut. Lets them form a group dynamic/chemistry. I would not be surprised if EN3 is already on standby. (Again, if it actually exists, kek)

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 00:39:04 2023 No.46080333 >>46053496 Council flop

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 00:47:14 2023 No.46080838 >>46053496 En3 was homostars, and they failed.

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 00:47:44 2023 No.46080872

>>46075580
I mean there's definitely been a change in strategy. Look at how we had multiple collabs with tempus every week (so much so, that even I, someone that didn't mind them was getting sick of them.) Compare that to Tempus 2 where 3 months on, the one and only collab has been due to Ollie's crappy Apex tournament. Even the Moris and Kroniis seemingly have no desire to collab with any of them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 01:45:32 2023 No.46084502 >>46078452 They're doing the right thing by courting an audience Cover cannot touch directly.

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 01:47:14 2023 No.46084610

>>46053496
There is none. hololive has fucked up royally and any EN3 that debuts will fail even worse than Council. Sure, they'll get immediate love but it'll die in the same fashion council did but even quicker. We do dnt want homos. And now you've sparked our fucking ire

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 01:58:28 2023 No.46085351 >>46064788 >1 or 2 male-friendly members of EN 3 imagine being this delusional, ALL of EN3 is gonna be a tempiss onahole and we know it

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 01:59:30 2023 No.46085408 >>46053496 jews

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 02:03:36 2023 No.46085660

>>46074989
It's all 3, Council under preformed, the pandemic is over, so there's nothing to get people to gravitate towards watching vtuber like they did with the JPs and Myth, and they know putting out a new wave now will bring Homo tier numbers and scare off investors.
NijiEN also totally fucked up the market with their ACCELERATION.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 02:51:15 2023 No.46088553 >>46054087 >someone has to get canned first They canned Sana before Council's 1st anniversary, plus no ID has ever been graduated/terminated yet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 02:55:16 2023 No.46088853 >>46071333 Yeah ,kilia Kurayami singing was really good, got me an "holy fuck" out lood even tho i don't care about vsinging

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 02:55:49 2023 No.46088884 >>46053496 There's not that many talents who can meet the Hololive standars.

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 03:14:40 2023 No.46089933
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>>46078393
I think you are on the good lead here

I'm now convinced that most of the girls doesn't want to get outshined

Because let's be honest, even as an artist myself when i want to draw En girls i always end up drawing kiara on the EN sides, but i mainly prefer to draw JP because i like them more

EN are really boring and they fucked their design with their shit

Only kiara somewhat kept it relevant

Kronii is a waste of a desing, she never use her debut and litteraly lore model

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 03:22:56 2023 No.46090374 >>46053496 IPO

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 03:43:57 2023 No.46091605 >>46053496 Cover wanted male vtuber money, but forgot that they dont have a China market anymore so they cant recreate their own Luxiem-tier success

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 05:17:44 2023 No.46095638 >>46053496 Luxiem made Cover want to chase after EN males

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 06:02:07 2023 No.46097436

Genuinely thought the western market would be more open to mixed-gender content but hard back-pedaled when it became obvious it's more like JP than they thought it would be.

That and I think they realized too late that appealing to Reddit was a bad move in terms of garnering western support especially when it had been a while since Coco left and long passed its point of relevancy ages ago. Toss in the mandated groupthink of referring to everything as "HoloPro" for a while to intentionally muddy the waters and going so far as to locking the sub when Tempus 2 debuted only goes to show they knew they were going to get blowback for not actually debuting EN3 well after a year and a half at that point since Council.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 07:02:10 2023 No.46099425 >>46053496 Found no one yet

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 07:03:55 2023 No.46099480 >>46053496 it's detrimental for the main branch, they only leech and return nothing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 07:11:09 2023 No.46099682 >>46053496 You're all a bunch of sinners and you need to atone for your crimes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 07:13:57 2023 No.46099766 >>46053496 OP is a fag so I'm sure he's asking for HomoEN3

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 07:15:45 2023 No.46099827 >>46097436 I agree with most of this but the subreddit gets locked during all debuts to prevent people spamming the same thing every 10 seconds

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 07:19:25 2023 No.46099950 >>46053496 They wanted their own Vox

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 07:24:17 2023 No.46100089 >>46053496 hard to get ENVtuber that apolitical and not trying to start some shitty drama, just look at nijiEN, they're so shit that they need to silence newstuber and dramatuber cus they want to be the king of dramatuber themself

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 07:24:30 2023 No.46100097 >>46053496 EN3 will be announced in LA

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 07:24:56 2023 No.46100105 >All these monkeys begging for EN 3 >Only watching EN Honestly, more girl would be nice...I watch JP and ID as well so wait is not as bad.

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