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OK /vt/ who are the top 20 earners in hololive? Name them. Im really curious about the top spot though. Suisei?

>> No.46014369

Numberfags get the rope

>> No.46014410

Only ENs on there are probably Gura and Mori I would assume.

>> No.46014417

>>46014252
>Suisei?
Could be.

>> No.46014785
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>>46014369
nijiseethe

>> No.46015349

>>46014252
I'd say it's safe to assume that the top 20 most membered represent accurately the top 20 that earn the most for cover. At least in terms of unordered names.

>> No.46015494

>>46014252
Either Suisei, Chloe, Miko or Pekora

>> No.46016218

>>46014252
Overseas % is still that damn high?
The heck?
Holo JP completely dwarfs holo EN and ID combined
That has to be mean that a significant fraction of foreigners are watching holo JP in addition to holo EN and ID

>> No.46016436

>>46016218
of course, i might be an EOP but i'll take not being able to understand anything a jap is saying over a westoid whore

>> No.46016516

>>46016218
30% of holoJP viewers are overseas apparently

>> No.46016552

>>46016218
Also means the jp viewers don't watch EN streams.

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>>46016516
Ok yeah I see that now
That's actually incredible

>> No.46017726

>>46016780
that is unexpected
i was sure after coco left the number would be closer to 10%

>> No.46018074

Suisei
Pekora
Marine
Miko
Mori
Aqua
Lamy
Kanata

>> No.46018275

>>46014252
Cover is trying their best to make this data look good but it's noticeable that the overseas viewership ratio hasn't increased after 2 years. Huge increase in the 6 months after Myth but Council and Tempus only kept the ratio at the same level.

>>46016552
The jp viewers used to watch holoEN but the CCV for the recent 3D debuts was a sign they have been gradually losing interest.

>> No.46018401

>>46018275
>The jp viewers used to watch holoEN but the CCV for the recent 3D debuts was a sign they have been gradually losing interest.
this is strictly due to the shadowban of en watchers

>> No.46018593

>>46014252
top 20 supachat on playboard will prolly give you most of them.

>> No.46018667

>>46018401
You are strictly on copium.

>> No.46018862

>>46017726
Why? I’m not going to stop watching Friend and Ramie just because Coco left on good terms. It’s not like Coco had that much more EOP viewers than the top JP members back then

>> No.46019102

>>46018862
They're not only EOP viewers. Taiwan and SEA have their share of JSLs, Japanese economy is, despite everything, a regional powerhouse and their entertainment industry is huge in East Asia even beyond weeb stuff.

>> No.46019136

>>46018593
>superchats
holy retard spotted

>> No.46019206

>>46018667
retard

>> No.46019430

>>46014252
Went from 5% to 15% in overseas viewership after miko nyegga kek

>> No.46019721

>>46019206
Huff harder. You need more of it shart.

>> No.46019808

beggar here:
Does Holo publish merch revenue per talent?

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>>46018074
>Mori
kek
She isn’t even the most superchatted in Myth.

>> No.46020435

>>46019721
keep replying as it means anything youtube shill

>> No.46020460

>>46020052
SC is a virtually meaningless metrics when it comes to corpo VTubers

>> No.46020483

>>46016780
Crazy high. Not much English chat when I visit JPmems stream these days.

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>>46020052
>SC average $1,249
holy kek

>> No.46020536

>>46014252
Overseas viewers are a large part of the audience and yet they won't give us EN3. Why Cover?

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>>46020460
Let me guess, its not views either copebeat?

>> No.46020764

>>46020483
they only appears when the talents shout kaigai niki. also, plenty of overseas viewers using weebs name on their yt account

>> No.46020780

>>46014252
Fubuki, Miko, Suisei, Aqua, Korone, Pekora, Noel, Marine, Towa, Koyori, Chloe, Kanata, Subaru, Lamy, Ayame, Ina, Gura, Ame, Mori, Kiara

>> No.46020954

>>46016218
Considering the Overseas branch is 1/3rd the size of JP and most of ID is an afterthought it shows how the upper tiers of EN are valuable

>> No.46020993

>>46018401
I have seen the shadowban argument many times but it's possible the jp viewers lost interest, the casual fans moved on to the next thing, and most of the remaining viewers use adblockers. Gura gets huge views on the VODs but the lower CCV might just be the number of viewers that refuse to watch ads.

>> No.46021004

>>46020460
>MY GREYNAME MEANS SOMETHING!!

>> No.46021079

>>46020993
>Gura gets huge views on the VODs
not anymore

>> No.46021082

>>46020574
But she's a star musician!!!

>> No.46021221

>>46021004
When you're trying to get money from investors, subs is something they understand... so subs are all that counts. Cover gets investment, everyone rides it out a few years so it isn't an obvious scam, and then everyone sells their shares, and investors are left with whatever is left of the company.

>> No.46021456

Top 5 talents would be Gura Pekora Marine Aqua Miko/Suisei. Each of those have received special merch broke a record or just get so many sponsorships. The only safe bet for number 1 though is Gura. Dino gura broke so much records plushies have been consistent new merch, every figurine she drops is number 1 for a full week and in some cases multiple months. Her nendo sold so well they turn limited stock to unlimited and decided to get more holo nendoroids. The first Holomember to get a statue made. She is untouchable in marketability.

>> No.46021525

>>46020574
>>46021004
I was thinking about merch. Neither SC revenue nor views are good indications of how much a corpo VTuber makes. When you realize that they make bank from merchs (i.e: Pekora's birthday merch earned US$1M+ after just 30 days and Gura's apparently earned more than that), SC amount is just insignificant.

>> No.46021563

>>46020435
Keep seething as if it will sate your copium addition shart.

>> No.46021623

>>46021079
Have you checked her last 5? Have you seen how many older vods have ticked up another 100k. There are only 3 holos under varying circumstances that can actually beat gura in vod growth

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>>46021079
?

>> No.46021756

>>46021525
See here
>>46013087
birthdays goods = low profit.

>> No.46021794

>>46018401
Actually cover has graph that shows the percentage of overseas to domestic viewers. Around 40% were overseas until a certain point around 07/22 where overseas dropped from 40% to 30-35% care to take a guess.

>> No.46021833

>>46014252
After looking at the left graph for 5 minutes, I finally understand it.
So I believe the top 20 make almost 60 percent of revenue.
Either the line is labeled incorrectly in the key, or the asterisk explanation below is incorrect, because profit and revenue aren’t the same thing.

>> No.46021847

>>46021456
>The first Holomember to get a statue made
i assume you mean the 1/1 scale but she wasn't the first to get a fig.
just clarification.

>> No.46021850

>>46021709
Proof. Streaming less is good for Gura's numbers.

>> No.46021860

>>46021709
>only 4 streams the last 2 months
Oh no no no delet this!!!

>> No.46021935

>>46014252
I get this is about getting investors involved in buying the IPO but its rather jarring to see the veil dropped so blatantly and the talents shown as $$$

>> No.46022053

>>46021756
Sigh you should’ve read the responses under it. Low profit for cover because with birthday merch the talents get a much bigger cut. It’s where the talents make the biggest lump sum. It takes ad rev, superchats, and memberships to beat merch and I’m pretty sure that’s only for certain talents. No way robocco beating merch with her channel.

>> No.46022097

>>46021794
This is when basically everyone in EN stopped streaming and I started watching indies.

>> No.46022140

>>46021847
No the actual statue that they had for 3rd fes she was first then pekora was second

>> No.46022147

>>46016516
>>46016780
>>46017726
>>46020483
Have none of you been in streams when one of the JP girls goes "Hey Guys!" or something similar and asks overseas fans a few questions. Suddenly you'll see a few dozen at least that had not sent a single chat message show up instantly.

>> No.46022191

>>46022053
Cover doesn't care what the talent makes. It's low profit for the company, and it clearly shows they want to move away from it as an income source.

>> No.46022259

>>46022147
Cause the JP girls are professional entertainers. Now, why is no one in EN saying hi to JP viewers regularly?

>> No.46022273

>>46022097
Close but no cigar only people who stopped were Gura/Ina 8 members never stopped doing at least 12 streams a month.

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>>46021709
this shit just makes me sad that this bitch doesn't stream

>> No.46022319

>>46022191
If Cover wants to make more money, they need to make better merch for the Cover-funded stuff.
>Girl-funded stuff
Awesome custom plushies and goods
>Cover-funded stuff
FUCKING ACRYLIC STANDS

>> No.46022377

>>46022140
yeah i got you

>> No.46022428

>>46021563
you are the one copying retard
hololive is heavily shadowbanned and you need to do your reps all the data has been posted already

>> No.46022536

>>46021709
yeah thansk for proving my point retard

>> No.46022566

>>46022273
I do remember late summer being really short on streams.

>> No.46022603

>>46020052
You do realize that Myth has been drifting away from streaming and super chats and making the bulk of their money off stream?

>> No.46022624

>>46022319
Plushies = low profit
Acrylic crap = pennies to make.

>> No.46022642

>>46022191
There’s another page that talks about cover merch like the karaoke with pekora/marine cover gets the lion share for those no need to stop birthday merch

>> No.46022653

>>46014785
Nta, but there's a dedicated thread to talk about numbers
Posting it to catalog make the board fast and I have to bump the thread I usually stay

>> No.46022692

>>46020574
Yeah. It's merch sales, sponsorships, and endorsements

>> No.46022745

>>46020052
As much as I hate Mori, she does make bank. For the top tier holos, merch and concerts make more money while SC is just pretty much their bonus salary.

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Gura is probably #1 and even with the most pessimistic estimate no way she isn't at least top 5. Her merch is consistently best selling not just for hololive but even compared to regular mainstream anime stuff. And the estimates of her membership income were in the 6 figures monthly (granted this was from last year she may have lost members since then). And then there is sponsorships which she gets pretty regular and usually pay based on views.
>but muh superchats
Even if her superchats were $0 she would still be posting yearly income in the millions. If you have any remaining doubt just look at how much Cover favors her in promotional material and being the first to get just about anything, they wouldn't do that for no reason.

>> No.46022809

>>46022259
>Now, why is no one in EN saying hi to JP viewers regularly?
About half of them sometimes translate themselves to JP
Mori
Kiara
IRyS
Bae

The rest occasionally toss JP bros a bone, with Ina in particular having had JP streams before

>> No.46022867

>>46022566
If you’re talking late July august even Gura was still streaming 1/3 of the month though barely

>> No.46022870

>>46021756
That "relatively low" was about the comparison between individual talent and units / groups, though, not that merch = low profit while SC or views = higher profit. You can see in that very slide: the "relatively low" profitability already included merch, SC and membership as stated there

>> No.46022918

The top 2 en sc earners are kiara and mori and they trade off for the top spot just about every other month.
The top jp is Chloe and then Pekora.
Nobody in this thread even visits /#/ rumao

>> No.46022944

>>46018593
Holomems get more money from merch cut

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Anyer

>> No.46022977

>>46022809
I was gonna make this same response but none of them are good at integrating it smoothly

>> No.46023120

>>46022147
Your first mistake was assuming the fucking morons around here watch streams.

>> No.46023184

>>46022536
Unless you're comparing her current views to those from 2020 or 2021 she's been fairly stable in viewership ever since
Her problem is that she streams a lot less, not that she gets views per VOD

>> No.46023195

Does this count merch? Cuz if it does then Gura would be up there

>> No.46023283

>>46022918
>Nobody in this thread even visits /#/ rumao
Nobody intentionally goes out of their way to contract brain cancer.

>> No.46023312

>>46014252
would coco and ruru still be in the top 20

>> No.46023316

>>46022603
Sana was ahead of her time.

>> No.46023476

>>46023283
Negative, I love dickwaving about my wawa outside of 4chan. There's no point here, but yeah, numbers are a good way to bully brainlets.
Its worthless to do it here, nobody watches streams, even their oshi.

>> No.46023519

>>46022918
>sc
it's change money
biggest amount comes from memberships and adsense

>> No.46023601

>>46023195
Yes. And she is.

>> No.46023608

>>46023312
Yes, easily. SC aren't everything but when you have massively outsized amounts of SC + relatively decent metrics in everything else you're gonna be near the top.

>> No.46023708

>>46016780
that's one word i wouldn't fucking use in a screenshot for this kind of thing, i wonder if they're gonna edit it

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My girl right here. Dino plushie destroyed

>> No.46024177

>>46023312
Who knows Coco said she didn’t make that much money. So she either didn’t sell much merch or she’s a liar and said that to so her fans would double up support.

>> No.46024327

>>46023862
FY2022/3 in the JP corporate world means 2021 Nov to 2022 Jan
Dinogura corresponds to FY2023/2 (and tail end of FY2023/1) in timing

>> No.46024786

>>46023195
suisei sells more in general though

>> No.46024971

>>46024786
Because the only thing Suisei does is shill. Any stream is just something in the background while she talks about something she has done, how great she is, how you can spend money on whatever crap she is shilling now...

>> No.46025179

>>46021525
popularity = profitability
No views means no fans = no merch sales

>> No.46025238

>>46024971
that's great though.

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>>46021794

>> No.46025422

>>46014410
Doesn't jester have some serious paypigs? I don't think for a second he's in top 20 if they're accounting for sponsors/merch etc just saying

>> No.46025507

>>46023519
Citation needed lol.

>> No.46025513

>>46024971
and this is bad because? this just means people ar ewilling to sponsor her
also i sense a lot of butthurt from you when you said shilling is the ONLY thing she does which is obviously bullshit

>> No.46025655

>>46016218
I'm overseas and I got ENs on block on both twitter and youtube. If it's not japanese, it's not vtuber

>> No.46025671

>>46025507
nigger really? how new?

>> No.46025763

>>46017726
you have to be joking. Hololive blew up in the west before myth, as popular as Coco was she wasn't dominating in views. Most holo fans are just as familiar with JP talents as EN, it's legitimately only niji that has that hard fanbase divide

>> No.46025827

>>46014252
List of Top 20 Vtuber by revenue from before the file was deleted
1. Gura
2. Mori
3. Suisei
4. Marine
5. Miko
6. Ina
7. Kobo
8. Kiara
9. Ame
10. Aqua
11. Korone
12. Fauna
13. Mumei
14. Kronii
15. Chloe
16. Koyori
17. Fubuki
18. Pekora
19. Laplus
20. Towa

>> No.46026074

>>46020052
That's a dishonest image. Myth was THE hot new thing in '21 and were printing money, enough for cover to tell CN "don't let the door hit you" when they pulled their retarded us-or-them bs

>> No.46026119

>>46022603
>You do realize that Myth has been drifting away from streaming and super chats and making the bulk of their money off stream?
Superchats and channel memberships are the biggest source of income at 38.4% followed by merch at 35.3%, concerts at 16.1%, and licensing collaborations at 10%. The latest Cover report does bring up some interesting questions since we can see why management was pushing holostars to increase the number of memberships. That makes it even more curious that some holoEN talents have discouraged both superchats and memberships.

>> No.46026179

>>46022259
>I don't watch streams
ok

>> No.46026209

>>46016780
the real reason has to actually do with western vtubing and people being streamlined into the main corpos by way of beeg numbers or events like holofes and whatever nijisanji does

>> No.46026249

>>46022259
Kiara and Irys say random jap shit I don't understand all the time

>> No.46026268

>>46022536
>proves you wrong
>"thanks for proving my point!"
wdhmbt?

>> No.46026286

>>46022319
Acrylic are high margin stuffs. Its cheap so everyone can buy one, and it brings more profits for every single one they sell. Its also pretty easy to store, ship, and package.

And honestly, at least their acrylic are not default standing pose

Its like restaurants with drinks. Pretty high margin there.

>> No.46026381

>>46023708
Market penetration is a official business development strategy alongside product development, market development and diversification.

>> No.46026493

>>46025179
ok, her 30 day average views are usually in the top 2-4 in hololive depending on what's going on. CCV literally means nothing moneywise since they don't run ads during live streams. Channel views mean much more since they can run ads on vods/music.

>> No.46026506

>>46025513
Help me out and explain how butthurt fits here.

>> No.46026685

>>46026381
I meant Lap-chan specifically asking for someone to be drugged and taken captive against their will...

>> No.46026709

>>46025827
>t. insecure enshart

>> No.46026762

>>46022603
That doesn't make sense from a business standpoint though; look at someone like Shion or Ayame that doesn't stream much but they still get tons of exposure from sponsorships and stuff, vtubers in the west have nowhere even remotely fucking close to the public conscience they have in Japan, I don't know wtf is going on with EN behind the scenes but you can't say their total reduction in presence across the board is sustainable for them.

>> No.46026796

>>46026268
>wrong
>300K on latest micra stream
>when a year ago that would be 600K
>not even 1M on 3d showcase
>new outfit reveal barely 500K
ogey

>> No.46026898

>>46022653
>catalog
You do know you can hide threads right? Unless you like seeing 30 sister-bot holo anti threads up at all times in which case carry on

>> No.46026911

>>46026493
Literally all those views are still her first year songs. If you're prepared to argue this then you have to say Kiara sells more merch than Mori as well

>> No.46026945

>>46026762
Projects, big projects! Computer troubles! Learning to dance! Tummy hort! Learning new songs/working on new songs!

>> No.46027215

>>46026796
>would have
I can't hear the headcanon that you hear anon. Only you can converse with those voices

>> No.46027306

>>46026911
It literally doesn't matter what those views are on. A view is a view and she still gets some of the most every month.

>> No.46027372

>>46025827
which page is this from?
i don't see this list anywhere in the jp version that's has been up until now and don't remember seeing it in en version

>> No.46027416

>>46026945
I'm huffing hopium here but now that japan arc is over surely they'll start coming back to actually streaming right? Holy god I wish I had a job like that, being able to just fuck off for weeks at a time for any minor inconvenience

>> No.46027572

>>46027306
>It literally doesn't matter what those views are on
Actual unironic cope, popular songs fed into the algorithm will get views no matter, but if her old songs aren't bringing any views to her newer songs and her views on songs continue dropping, that will also get reflected on merch

>> No.46027617

>>46027215
do your archive reps moron and stop coping

>> No.46027638

>>46027572
Why do they still push her so much in everything? She is usually right next to Gura when they are doing things. Only one coping is you.

>> No.46028215

>>46027638
Because she's right behind her in subs? You can clearly see from this file that subs are very important to them, that's why they value Gura highly even though she's way, way less popular nowadays than Miko or Marine

>> No.46028549

>>46027638
They push her because of the investment. Sunk cost fallacy.

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>>46016780

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>>46029036
kek

>> No.46029903

>>46026119
Because Cover's numbers are bullshit, simple as

>> No.46030207

>>46026762
EN probably already made its money back and then some so I don't think they will run into any budget problems soon since they are running off of their windfall back during the Covid lockdown period.

>> No.46030391

>>46027372
It's fake
EN version reupload https://litter.catbox.moe/kv2dfb.pdf

>> No.46030665

>>46029903
I take most things from a corpo with a grain of salt but why would Cover lie to potential investors about their revenue break down? Japanese corporations prefer group brand IP over individual vtubers which they suggested even in their own report so it was a bitter pill for them to admit that channel memberships and superchats was the biggest source of income.

>> No.46030714

>>46023519
Anon, you're talking about the Holo with the record deal, multiple figurines and EP's

>> No.46030726

>>46026119
>some holoEN talents have discouraged both superchats and memberships
It's more that some just don't want to spend hours reading SCs so they give ample warning that they likely won't read your SC aloud
Regarding memberships, IIRC it was mostly concern about gifted memberships, but that ship has long since sailed
They also would prefer you to buy their merch instead of SC
This isn't EN-only btw - Suisei for example

>> No.46030990

>>46030714
no im talking about sc being change money for holos

>> No.46031124

>>46026796
How the fuck aren't those huge numbers?
The vast majority of holo JP would love to have these metrics - there are only like half a dozen that match or exceed these numbers
You have literal numberrot

>> No.46031360

>>46031124
compared to past performance they arent

>> No.46031507

>>46026286
>Its cheap so everyone can buy one
If only shipping wasn't 2x-3x the cost of the good and why do they charge full shipping cost for EACH individual item.

>> No.46031584

>>46030990
So, for Tutu's food it is.

>> No.46034579

>>46016780
Now how much of that is sea vs na?

>> No.46034625

>>46030726
Membership part is true, i remember As me discouraging only the gifting and was even thinking about making it more expensive for the regular members. But these days, they all thank gift subs.

>> No.46035190

>>46031360
gura vs gura
amazing

>> No.46035400

>sales of Suisei and friends plushies vs everyone else
>only one to get restocked and wiped out immediately after
It's probably her. She also has her albums.

>> No.46035862

>>46014369
fpbp

>> No.46036080

>>46021709
i miss the i am fish arc. the flying fish parts especially were sufferkino

>> No.46037447

>>46014369
This thread won't get deleted and # is the most active general on the site. Numberfags rule this board for better or worse

>> No.46038993

>>46014369
fpbp

>> No.46039782

>>46014369
fpbp

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