You can't critic the streamer!

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1400858273536872449?s=20
After the meltdown of Mori from being too much of a thick skilled retard with her cuphead/phasmophobia collab with Gura Mori decided to private the stream due to a few comments calling her out for not preparing enough for streams. However this event has brought up an interesting division, are we even allowed to criticize Vtubers even if we are long time fans? Is it reasonable to do it or should we shut up and leave things be cause at the end of the day they will always have a fanbase that gives them money even if the fans that critic them leave, thoughts?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
fuck off and fuck holoen

[Anonymous No.]

No one cares dramafag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580

[Anonymous No.]

Kys

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
Its always ok to criticize something, thats the best way to make something better. Now kicking someone while they're down just makes you a dick, but when that doesn't mean your criticism was wrong, just mistimed.

Unless your just being overly critical to be a douchebag then your just doing that, being a douchebag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
You're starving for drama this hard huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
>are we even allowed to criticize Vtubers even if we are long time fans?
Nope, if you do that you become a concernfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
jannies are banning discussion of this btw, I have a feeling that mori is LITERALLY a jannie here

[Anonymous No.]

Samefagging the same point 50+ times like what is happening in /hlgg/ isnt criticism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595744
the absolute state of this coping faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
>are we even allowed to criticize Vtubers even if we are long time fans?
No. It's supposed to be a hugbox. Now we've been denied a stream.

[Anonymous No.]

Calli is my least favorite vtuber in Hololive but to her credit, she realized she fucked up here and apologized for it and even removed it from public viewing because it was so bad.

Not sure what else she can do

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
Concern trolling is a serous issue and if you find yourself pretending to be concerned in order to start drama you should contact your closest doctor and get some meds prescribed

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595738
not mori but there are cover interns modding certain generals

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
>are we even allowed to criticize Vtubers even if we are long time fans?
You aren't a long time fan of either of them. If you were you'd have shut the fuck up once you say "Clearly I needed more time off. All I can do is apologize and say I'll work harder, thank you." because that's heart wrenching. She knows about the issue, you retards wouldn't shut the fuck up so she took the only action that's possible besides doing nothing (which she tried and people still bitched) so she privated the stream, and now you're still bitching. Some day someone will be as awful to you as you are to these girls, and maybe, just maybe you might have a lucid moment in your schizophrenia and realize how messed up you are.

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>>4595580
Maybe they privated because they were both personally unhappy with the quality of the stream, outside of any viewer feedback. They even said as much many times throughout

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596040
lol what the hell is wrong with you? weirdo. you actually sound insane

[Anonymous No.]

it's just some girls plying shit, what a bunch of retardeds thinking it should be perfect go watch tv or some shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596088
I hope one day you find some meaning in your life besides trolling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596198
where did all you people come from? serious question. did r/hololive say /vt/ was behind this or something?

[Anonymous No.]

Whatever annoys the most amount of retards here is what I'll side with.

[Anonymous No.]

>people will STILL claim Mori doesn't visit here
>despite the fact that Youtube, Reddit, and whatever Disc servers she visits will universally and unilaterally suck her off with "VARY FUNEH, MUCH GOOD" tier yes-manning shit
Oh, she comes here frequently.

MORI, it wasn't the worst, stop over-reacting....but seriously like a 30 minute troubleshooting before stream will do the world

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596269
I came from here, I only post on anonymous boards and have done so for a very long time. At some point you can make a choice whether you want to keep being angry at girls playing video games all the time or just be a reasonable person. I know that concept might enrage you but you should give it a try, you might like it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596401
you seriously talk weird as fuck, im not trolling. nobody will ever take you seriously talking like that

[Anonymous No.]

Isn't there the risk of a streamer holding her streams hostage?

>stream
>no critique
>all ok

>stream
>critique
>private stream. Time off

[Anonymous No.]

Legitimate criticism is fine, but you won't find any of it on /vt/. Do you honestly think anyone here was actually offended by Kiara saying nigga?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596447
And you're angry over video games. I'd rather type funny than be you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596269
when do they not? If something bad happens, it's always (You)r fault, /vt/. If good happens, r/eddit takes the credit. This is how it always worked, and will continue to be.
How new

[Anonymous No.]

>This is all a cover-up because J-chad scolded her for swearing and demanded she private the video
Well played wigga, well played

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
Unless they're doing something truly heinous; why even bother to criticize? It literally doesn't matter. They're all hypersensistive autist so your better off encouraging them if they make a mistake.

That is unless you're an even more autistic drama fag that wants to start shit over literally nothing on twitter or some shithole plateform

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596500
what video game am I angry over?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596500
based

[Anonymous No.]

She literally blamed the quality on "-not being able to play the game we wanted".

What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596494
They're contracted to make at minimum three streams a week.

[Anonymous No.]

Jesus, what did I miss?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596758
scuff stream gets clapback.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596829
Like the audio/video quality was crap?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596040
Holy reddit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596829
I think it was her manager who told her to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
All I want to do is have fun with my anime girlfriend, but the fag month schizos have to come in and whine about everything from scuff to some retard clipfag being banned.
Just fuck off and watch some other e-celeb who actually allows fag month spam in their chat, already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596875
I don't know I was watching our goddess Botan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596875
Connection issues for the most part in the first 30 minutes, honestly a positive sign that she acknowledges that it was badly prepared

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596875
No they could not play the game because of delay. Wasted a lot of time trying to fix the issue in vain. Apparently they did not test it beforehand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596951
Oh I see, but wasn’t the entire stream throw together last minute because the scheduled collab stream got pushed to next week?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597023
Yea, they weren’t even supposed to play Cuphead up until 11 hours ago. It was plan b, and it’s not a huge surprise they ran into technical issues.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596949
>>4597073
So its shit happens and /vt/ is blowing things out of proportion as usual

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596519
When has something good happened to any of the talents as a direct result of this place anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
>You can't critic the streamer!
>are we even allowed to criticize Vtubers
>should we shut up and leave things be
who said that

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
I kind of can’t help but think is a bit misleading. Mori said beforehand that she had Cuphead and Phasmophobia lined up as back ups if River City Girls didn’t work. I suppose she’ll just cancel the stream next time or delay it until a game that does work is playable for stream.

[Anonymous No.]

It wasn't even that goddamn bad for fucks sake, I caught bits of it at work while I was near a computer and saw them randomly playing Phasmophobia and it was funny

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596931
then dont come to 4chan

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597142
Yep.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
Mori seems to be working to improve and taking feedback into account, which is all you can ask of her really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597142
Yea, I should’ve known

[Anonymous No.]

I genuinely starting to believe that rrat how her rapper friends(and maybe even those TT people) trying to influence her and trying to use her now that she is more popular than them.
I really hope it isn't true but at this point i would not even be surprised.

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>>4596349
I'm an indie, and I meet up at least an hour before collabs in order to iron out the tech and make sure things run smooth./everyone is properly set up. I have no idea why it is so hard for corpos who get paid to do this as a job have a hard time prepping like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596040
>Some day someone will be as awful to you as you are to these girls, and maybe, just maybe you might have a lucid moment in your schizophrenia and realize how messed up you are.

Bitch, Calli didn't prepare enough and that lead to a scuffed stream. In the real world you get harsher criticism for less, don't treat Calli and the other streamers with kids' gloves

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>>4597274
Yea, /vt/ is just searching for a crumb of drama. They were supposed to play River City Girls but that fell through for some reason (permissions?) early this morning. So they were forced to play something else. And Cuphead shit the bed because of connection issues. I don’t really see how any of this was Mori’s fault. They decided to throw something together last minute instead of cancelling the stream so their fans could enjoy a comfy collab today.

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>>4595580
For a rapper Mori has thin skin and would easily lose being roasted in a rap battle.
I saw some of those comments and there were just a few couple saying to prep better for the future, no anti talks just simple feedback, Mori is totally overreacting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597620
Shut up faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597620
This board is composed by zoomers that never left their house. They'll understand when they have to start working and start socializing with their passive agressive coworkers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597641
I do agree that maybe she should have not privated VOD. It was not that bad of stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
One of the HoloEN girls is a 12 hour timezone difference from the others and gets 100+ ping to every game they collab on
>it's the one who can't speak japanese so she can't collab with the HoloJP girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597620
>In the real world you get harsher criticism for less
No, you don't. I can guarantee you have never had thousands of people telling you that you fucked up. Just your parents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
Criticizing streamers is fine.
Being an uncivilized piece of shit yapping at people for not doing content you like, ESPECIALLY IN COMMENT SECTION OR CHAT should be penalized by skinning people doing it alive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597844
>it's the one who can't speak japanese
She can but it is just that she is much better talking in face to face so at this point all the HoloJP collabs should be offcollabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596040
These girls are making literally millions of dollars for this
Like we're talking clothing line deal money
they can fucking take a couple mean comments when they fuck up jesus christ

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597794
The stream great imo scuff aside.
People reacted positively in chat and in almost all of the comments.
Things like this are what make people believe rrats about how Mori doesn't like to be a streamer just make music videos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597942
>They make a lot of money so I should get to be an asshole to them
You are a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597992
I would drag my dick over glass and take the abuse these girls get to just make a fraction of what they're getting are you insane?
these girls are making "retire to your own house at 30" money

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
ESL

[Anonymous No.]

>should we create circlejerks that will silence any critique so the vTuber cannot have proper feedback and cannot learn and improve.

Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4598033
>I would drag my dick over glass and take the abuse these girls get to just make a fraction of what they're getting
So start a YouTube channel doing that then. Put up or shut up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597531
>I'm an indie
So you make shit money and have to make sure that everything's okay. Or you don't care about the money, but don't want to lose viewers, or make people sad, or whatever.
Meanwhile they make ridiculous cash by playing games. They can have technical issues that'll take a few minutes to solve (many such cases), they can oversleep over an hour and other holo will cover for them. They can make retarded excuses and ragequit, they can barely bother to do the few streams a week they have to, they can play a game without paying any attention to it, then be angry that they don't understand anything, they can cancel as many streams as they like, they can ignore supas and barely interact with their members, they can do no members streams for weeks.
And you know what? They'll still make a ridiculous amount of money, so why would they bother to put more than the bare minimum in?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4598074
It already exist in reddit.

[Anonymous No.]

Just another check on the "going to graduate this year" board. I really think Mori wants to graduate at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596040
holy shit I usually dont use the word simp on this board but you're touching it

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
depends, are you just being an unreasonable shit head? but if you're not having fun even if they are having some issues here and there, then why bother watching them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4598249
Now you are overreacting. She is not gonna graduate just because of this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4598249
Not a change, she is too greedy to graduate, at most she will be from a hiatus to another.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4598428
>greedy

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
There's obviously a civilized way to go about it, but the mater of fact here is that there's clearly something wrong with her management. The TTRPG scare should logically never have fucking happened considering how fucking long that was in the works, to the point money was spent, and permissions become a problem right before starting. Same deal with River city. How the fuck did no one warn her about steam permissions? There's incomitance somewhere, either Mori being shit at talking to her managers or her managers just not fucking paying attention. That said testing shit with gura should've been a must and clearly neither of them tested remote play in the slightest.
Honestly I don't think Mori is exactly a bad streamer, but it's clear that she has her head way more in her music than she does with...literally anything else. Everything she does feels almost forced like she's just doing it for the sake of a contract. That and her brain is fucking messed up to where she just can't seem to enjoy anything, and one fuck up just ruins her life. It's self destructive perfectionism with barely any effort to improve.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597635
she play phasmophobia on controller, she deserved

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597635
Mori is trying to collab with someone on the other side of the world and she never tests anything out before the stream
as opposed to Gura who will practice games and read guides before every stream she does to prepare

[Anonymous No.]

>>4598637
Mori is very bad about not practicing or preparing
her experience as a musician has given her an ego where she thinks she can just wing it and things will be ok

this is the result

[Anonymous No.]

>>4598789
>Mori is very bad about not practicing or preparing
But that is proven wrong with whole TTRPG thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4598700
This timeloop again
>Do chumkeks really

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596748
>minimum three streams a week
You fucking joking right

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
It's the problem with Reddit being run by a company. Redditors know they can't criticize the chuubas there so they come to 4Chan instead to vent about the things they don't like. The problem is that Cover and it's talents want actual feedback, not constant white knights, so they come here or go to 5Chan to see criticism. However, anons don't restrain themselves here so the criticism is often very harsh and can be depressing to see for the chuubas

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599001
how is that proven wrong? she didn't get permissions for WoD until right before the character creation stream
Mori has a history of basically winging it with no prep and running into basic issues because of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599101
3 streams a week that's at least an hour long. So They really have to stream 3 hours a week if they wanted to. Some older members don't even have 3 streams a week and they get by fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597641
>For a rapper
have you listened to her music and livestreams pre-hololive? they're worse than niggers who spam their mixtapes lad

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599206
There is actual feedback on reddit, you see it all the time from Gura's rig and the mixing problems in the EN cover song. It's just a problem with reddit in general. Some don't want to get downvotes so they just come here. Also some just don't know how to make constructive criticism and just come off as too angry so they get downvoted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599223
>she didn't get permissions for WoD
Is it her job to get permissions?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599420
>Gura's rig
Reddit closed all discussion and started banning people for saying anything about her rig are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599420
>There is actual feedback on reddit, you see it all the time from Gura's rig
users from here who were posting about it were getting their accounts banned faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599429
Yeah I'd say so, or at least checking in with her manager to make sure that they have permissions up to Hololive's standards
it's not really a fucking high bar to go to the site for the TTRPG and read their press release and content creation permissions and guidelines

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599511
Based. They should have gotten banned from here too for posting on reddit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599223
>she didn't get permissions for WoD until right before the character creation stream
That was not her fault though but Covers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599564
It isn't her job to get permissions but her managers. She got them in the end anyway tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599629
interesting how fallen men are to admitting they're c*cks when they lose a debate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599564
>at least checking in with her manager to make sure that they have permissions up to Hololive's standards
They literally did that and though they were fine until some upper management said no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599708
I'm not the one you were replying to. I just think you should go back and stay there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599659
>>4599664
>>4599732
>no my oshi is perfect you don't dare give even mild critique about her not preparing for her own streams and collabs
>you don't understand everything bad that happens to my oshi is entirely out of her control don't say mean words about her on 4chan :(

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599397
>have you listened to her music and livestreams pre-hololive?
I actually prefer her roommates music compared to her current ones.
And is there any archive for those streams? I am interested to see them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599777
>reddit was allowing discussion so they're not completely a hugbox
>gets proven wrong
>LMAO you're a redditor
cute, next time dont spew bullshit you cant defend, especially for a corporation, you bootlicker

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599866
>I actually prefer her roommates music
her current one is far better and you just said you prefer her roommate's music, better look into them again. I'm not going to give cover interns who mod threads a reason to give me a vacation just because you like mori too much and want to defend her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599892
>bootlicker
Oh yeah. You're a redditor all right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599977
>defends cover
>lies about reddit allowing gura's model discussion
>n..no u
out. now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599831
You are criticizing wrong thing now though.
In that case it was upper managements problem.

[Anonymous No.]

You guys keep making excuses for Mori, but here are some facts:
She constantly has problems with permissions
She constantly has technical difficulties in collabs
You could blame the permissions on her managers, though it could just as easily be her not communicating with managers.
The technical issues are 100% her fault. No one else has this much trouble. So why does she have technical issues in her collabs? It has to be lack of preparation. And if she is terrible at preparation, it is likely that she doesn't prepare (communicate with her managers) her permissions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599564
>>4599564
>not really a fucking high bar
It is when you are Cover Corp's Management Team. Exponentially so for EN Department.
Preas Undastand

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
>are we even allowed to criticize Vtubers even if we are long time fans?
When its a constant problem, yes. Jerking off to streamers is retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600140
seethe incel

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597641
Tons of rappers have thin skin and can't take criticism well anon. They just get leagues more aggressive and in some cases talk shit to fans as opposed to Mori recognizing and taking feedback.

[Anonymous No.]

>welcome back stream she promises river city girls will work
>"its out of our hands"
How likely is it she couldn't figure it out and over promised like she always does?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599968
>her current one is far better
Really? What makes it in your opinion better?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596040
How did this post get so much seething?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600308
They hate it because it's the truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600308
Mori's fans came here to defend her or shit on her after they saw her tweet

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599447
>>4599511
Yes because they already said any posts having to do with the al outfit reveal must be under the discussion thread instead of people constantly spamming threads. It avoids every post being the same topics and same pictures. So all these users that made separate threads are banned for not following that rule. If you look under the actual discussion thread that was pinned at the time there are a ton of people addressing it and are getting upvotes too. Comments made under the thread are not banned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600267
She probably hoped Cover got their shit together or something. Wayforward's a small studio too, getting permissions from them shouldn't have been that hard to begin with especially with how huge Hololive is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600140
Are you still talking about TTRPG? Mori had permissions(or so she though) and managers said it was ok.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600386
>excuse me sir, sir, all discussion about the models must be in the model discussion channel and you must use the appropriate format for your post or mods will remove it
yes, perfect, file away all the criticism so it's easy to ignore

[Anonymous No.]

Do /vt/ or /hlgg/ even watch streams?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600456
isn't it strange though how it's always Mori who has problems with technical issues and permissions
Amelia doesn't have the same amount, Kiara doesn't, Ina doesn't, Gura doesn't
just one HoloEN in particular consistently has these types of issues over and over again

oh well, must be a coincidence couldn't possibly be anything wrong with Mori ever, wouldn't want to take criticism and learn from it

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600401
Realistically it could be something simple as managers saying "Hey calli we sent the email asking for permissions" So calli thinks that they will likely get permission and schedule it. Then manager says "we haven't gotten back an email from them with permission so you might have to wait on that game".

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596040
back to discord

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600386
haha I really dont think you understand how effectively you can muzzle discussion with subjective rules used on the spot. if you fall for it, you're already worthless to have this discussion with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597641
>rap battle.
anon, Mori doesn't have the rap skills to do a rap battle. Shes a lyricist, shes good with a pen, and good when she has it all planned out, but she can't do it on the fly.

[Anonymous No.]

Think I'd rather be a Redditor over a 4chan schizo these days. The only thing worse than brand loyalty is domain loyalty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600528
Mori's manager doesn't like and ''forgets'' some things

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600528
I don't understand why you can't believe that this one time Cover actually fucked up. I know it is easy to hate Mori for her fuck ups but that TTRPG was not her fault.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596951
If it was not playable then it is not playable

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596951
Isn't that a problem with her internet connection?
Most of her collabs end up somewhat messed because of lag/ping somehow

[Anonymous No.]

I keep seeing people saying they make millions and thats bullshit. Google takes 35% of all superchat revenue and I'm damn sure Cover takes a big cut too. Saying that they're rich is absolute bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600465
Literally not what I said at all. It has been like this for every reveal. Everytime outfits/3D gets revealed there are hundreds of posts in new with the same pictures and low effort memes spamming up the new section. Having it all under one discussion thread makes it so that the new section isn't getting spammed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600746
The cuphead issue was because Mori is in Japan and Gura is in the Midwest USA, so Gura had over 1000 ping

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600465
>>4600643
Cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600401
Wayforward literally tweeted them regarding the collab.
https://twitter.com/WayForward/status/1400626350772215810/photo/1

The issue is that the games they picked have no online functionality and and parsec and game share don't work for this, they're to far apart.

If they REALLY wanna play a beat em up they should try streets of rage 4, that one does have built in online.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600643
That's been the rule since day 1. They didn't make it up on the spot. Every 3D/outfit reveal/major event before that also had same rules so the new section doesn't get spammed with same pictures and low effort memes. Do you make a new thread here every time about something you dislike or you go to an existing thread already related to that topic and discuss there?

[Anonymous No.]

>That's been the rule since day 1. They didn't make it up on the spot. Every 3D/outfit reveal/major event before that also had same rules so the new section doesn't get spammed with same pictures and low effort memes. Do you make a new thread here every time about something you dislike or you go to an existing thread already related to that topic and discuss there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600807
So basically they have permission but something with the online just won't work so it's "out of their hand".

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597073
Uhh, no,, I was looking forward to the Cuphead collab for days. Not to say I care enough to bully Mori at all; I'm not a shrimpdick chinaman

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600877
>Do you make a new thread here every time about something you dislike or you go to an existing thread already related to that topic and discuss there?
I do whatever the fuck I want because there's no subjective interpretations of rules based on which topic we're dealing with.

[Anonymous No.]

If this is the reaction to technical difficulties. Can you imagine the tism storm if Gura overslept a collab by 4 hours?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600916
Yes, the sheer distance between the 2 is a problem for a game with no online.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600916
yes they had permission but could not get the multiplayer to work because neither of them are good with tech support and don't know how to setup local play over the internet

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600948
>I do whatever the fuck I want
Stick to anime and vidya moron

[Anonymous No.]

>>Do you make a new thread here every time about something you dislike or you go to an existing thread already related to that topic and discuss there?
>I do whatever the fuck I want because there's no subjective interpretations of rules based on which topic we're dealing with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
Speak for yourself. I'm a huge mori anti and will say literally anything that causes her emotional pain.

[Anonymous No.]

What happened with the TTRPG and why does it keep getting brought up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600757
Mori sells music, and cover barely takes anything from that, at least from the holo girls she is rich

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600807
Well shit. Its that or they could also play Scott Pilgrim VS The World.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600949
No chumbuds are the ones criticizing mori in her original YT comments saying they are wasting gura's time. If gura overslept 4hr they would welcome it.

[Anonymous No.]

How bad was it that she felt the need to private it? Just lag? I can’t imagine technical difficulties being sound enough reason to completely get rid of a stream. Think she might be taking criticisms too seriously

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601042
Nothing. It was almost cancelled until they got the permission email at the last second.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601019
t.deadbeat

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600976
kek, this is what happens when you compare 4ch with plebbit. you get destroyed resorting to responses like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597153
Not to Hololive but the rrat about that other vtuber being hachama gave her a ton of subs

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601042
>Mori plans TTRPG collab
>She tries to get permissions a month ahead of time
>Manager says they're working on it, Mori assumes everything is good and leaves it
>day before stream Mori panics, hasn't heard back on permissions
>says something on stream about it
>fans and managers at cover go bug the publisher
>publisher replies back with permissions and press kits before the stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601098
I refreshed the page like 2 minutes after collab was done (was washing dishes) and there were already some comments saying she should prepare more and to stop wasting the guest's time. They didn't have member badge so I guess they were new.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595597
FPBP

[Anonymous No.]

>Not to Hololive but the rrat about that other vtuber being hachama gave her a ton of subs

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601081
Do deadbraps really? Well your Mori better improve in collabing after this embarrassing show because she'll get dicked by another audience or get Coco'd again

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600757
Yeah the millionaire streamers are poor and Cover is rich. A-chan must be on 20mil a year or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596829
>come home
>finally I can watch the samemori collab
>I caught a bit of the phasmo and they both died, haha!
>this
WHY

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601161
Because your entire personality and communication is posting on this website and less what you're actually getting yourself into.

[Anonymous No.]

>Because your entire personality and communication is posting on this website and less what you're actually getting yourself into.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601098
Delayed 15-20 minutes because they couldn't get coop to work, once they did they soon realized that playing a game like cuphead with 1,5s delay is pretty much impossible / not fun, fumbled a bit more, switched over to Phasmo after about an hour.


It was fine once they finally did something but the first hour felt like a massive waste of time to me. Once they started having fun it was all good but then they started wrapping it up after what amounted to 30 minutes of actual content. The last point got on my nerves too because I made time for this so I can somewhat relate to the criticism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601220
Oh so there was more comments like that outside of those deadbeat comments.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600757
Coco is rolling in so much money she bought a 10,000 dollar bed

[Anonymous No.]

>Vtuber fans that don't even watch Vtubers are actually wojakniggers
Shocking

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601217
I know they got permission last second but I think in the future she should maybe wait to schedule the game until it is 100% certain they get permission. But I don't think mori is like that so there might just be some miscommunication between the managers and herself or the managers and the publisher.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601481
it's very curious though that all of these tech and permissions issues are just Mori
Weird! it must just be a coincidence it can't be that she assumes too much and doesn't do very much testing or preparation

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601311
lets see a summary of what you did
>on 4ch
>lied about freedom to speak on plebbit and promptly got blown out
>accuse others of being plebbitors when the lie to show plebbit as "not a hugbox" didnt work
>ask "us" on what we would do when we want to start a thread with same topic
>gets promptly destroyed on there not being any rules on 4ch or this board because its not a hugbox
>y...you're just a 4ch supremacist
AHAHAH really faggot? is that the best you can do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601408
Could’ve just cut the first part and changed the title/thumbnail, then apologized for the fuck up and promised to arrange it another time after preparing properly

[Anonymous No.]

>>4600971
Negro she outright tell that she missed the permission for the pc version they onmy had the console ones. That is why it wqs moved to next week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>Vtuber fans that don't even watch Vtubers are actually wojakniggers
> Shocking

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601575
Hey Copey, only 2 more games and Vegas is eliminated

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601481
>>4601576
She got the ok by management but they messed up at the end and had to backtrack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596349
it's the youtube comments from her gachis that caused her to pull it

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601586
I agree. Also would've liked an hour or so more because as it stands the collab was short as hell and listening to them was actually quite fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601664
?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601575
But it's already said that you can criticize on reddit. Just during events you have to keep all discussion to the event under that discussion thread. Just because you get banned for breaking the rule doesn't make it a hugbox when tons of others have already made the same criticism and followed the rules and weren't banned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601672
Where did she say that? And is it about the recent game? Because the studio tweeted at them so pretty sure the permission was on lockdown.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601217
>>4601481
>>4601672
not month before - Mori tried to organize permissions for 4 months
her personal manager gave her the ok for setting up the stream frame, which Mori did after multiple meetings with the girls herself to sort out a schedule
someone from the upper management gave a call literally after A-chan retweeted the fucking stream during her daily shilling
like an hour before her T2 member stream, which is where people got all that info from because Mori was venting at how fucked up that was
thankfully Paradox was way more competent than Cover in this situation

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601664
just leave the website anon, you've been bested. go back to your soul-crushingly totalitarian subreddit that prides itself in being as unoriginal and derivative as humanly possible while doing everything in its power to halt discussion its mods find uncomfortable. maybe afterwards you can give a discord mod a blowy for that fancy new roll!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602038
it still is very strange that this stuff only happens with her streams and not any of the other HoloEN girls!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601821
The Steam and PS4/Switch versions have different publishers, they got permission for the PS4/Switch but not the Steam version.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602134
Mori like ame always tries to get permissions for new things. Is bound to happen

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601821
She explained it on the stream if you watched it so it got movedd back while they wait for the pc version.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602134
if you mean EN, Ina had to cancel an entire planned DS3 playthrough and replace it with Hollow Knight because perms got pulled
her planned Nier Replicant streams also fell through and she played Automata again instead

Mori's shit just echoed louder because it was a bigger project, while Ina's stuff was easily replaceable

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
No, you aren't. These girls aren't normal streamers, they're idols. And what are idols? The cambridge dictionary define idols as:
>an idol is an image or representation of a god used as an object of worship.
And you do not go against your god, do you? The only thing you can do is worship them, that's what you idolfags need to realize. You're not in the position to know better, you're a fucking worshipper, if you don't like, then leave the cult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602052
No

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602262
oh right, there was also that Ina karaoke where miscommunication turned a planned unarchived one into an archived one
and that's Ina, the one that usually has stuff really well sorted - I don't really follow the other three closely so I can't callback examples from memory alone, so someone more dedicated can help me out

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602262
The problem is Mori fallback plan is also scuff, like how hard it’s to download the game and test it beforehand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595597
Based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601217
Why would she even start a whole process without getting a permission first. Why even put a game in a schedule without getting permission first. The only thing I see happens in JP is technical difficulties but they are hardly any especially in collabs. I know they meetup like an hour to 30 mins before to test things out. And if it doesn't work, they just do something else. The bad one was bio6 frok Mikorone but that one had the funny explanation conference so it was cool. Botan and Towa made up for it as well. The people who have a bad history track with tech are always criticized btw even by their fans or to some degree mocked like Polka. But to use the excuse of permissions is just bad for me. It shouldn't even be a problem to begin with. It's either self assurance that things will just go her way or not caring to wait to get a response and schedule them anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602262
It still sounds ridiculous though, what on earth is Cover doing where their talent can't stream the games?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602415
Did you ignore all the other post telling you manager gave the ok to set thr stream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602428
They need explicit permissions to avoid another holocaust

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599264
IIRC that's for the first year, and its more a good faith effort that is on average 3 streams a week or more.The 2nd year you have more leeway, which is why ayame and shion never stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602428
Japanese company, Japanese bullshit copyright.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602415
Because her managers were saying months ago that permissions were fine and that she can do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602402
I was just countering the point that every point of failure falls on Mori, not Cover incompetence which is honestly legendary by this point
her scuff is her problem to sort out
>>4602428
their corporate structure makes the girls profits from streams tied to company profits, meaning any rights holders can sue and tear out some cash much easier, which turns them mega paranoid and stiff regarding all this stuff
they could modify the contract so the girls are proper subcontractors like vShojo girls and that'd give them more freedom and less liability
but cover.txt

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596951
>Apparently they did not test it beforehand.
Seriously, why do none of them test things beforehand, ever?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596597
Probably had the game setup for riverside girls, tested with it, but didn't have time to test with cuphead or phatasmaphobia. The last minute denial for playing the game probably is the reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602415
actually, JPs run into the permission stuff fairly regularly, their response tends to be more muted and streams are often cancelled altogether so there's barely any info here - especially since keeping schedules isn't a regular thing for them, oftentimes you just end up with a Tweet going
'hey, stream at 23' at 3PM
and then 'sorry, no stream' at 8PM

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602603
sometimes shit falls through, even with all the prep in the world.
you could have everything prepared, then realize the second before streaming that windows updates fucked up all your obs settings for example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597503
Anon, what in the world makes you think that rrat is true?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602569
>>4602477
Have you ever heard that kind of excuse from a holojp before? That there manager will just take care of everything and she can schedule it? Even Marine who is known to promise a lot won't even announce it formally until everything is settled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4598700
Even Lethal League was open before they started the stream and she tried playing in a random lobby after learning that she and Ina can't join together in one. While still pretty fucking scuffed, they did prepare for it.
That said, everything she did until finally setting up Phasmophobia, she could have done before this time.
And lastly, Zatsudan >> games, I don't care what she is doing as long as she is doing it with her friends and working on the creative projects she cares about. Since oshis reflect fanbase, I don't care about the stream formats she doesn't care about either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
>You can't critic the streamer!
>thick skilled retard
I want to sink whatever ESL shithole you're from, after I personally evacuate any good chuubas.

[Anonymous No.]

She should have just not responded to the criticism and taken steps to make sure it doesn't happen again. If she lacks the mental toughness to deal with the stress of being given this easy road to success, I do not know how she ever expected to make it in the music industry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602690
That is the thing. They understate things and then just deliver what they got. Every time Cover announces a new permission from a new company, you see girls make plans for them. Pekora does this a lot. Botan likes playing new titles a lot. And if you don't see her play one then she's probably waiting on a permission or busy with Usaken.

[Anonymous No.]

She's coming close to doing this for a year now, it's reasonable to expect some level of competence at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
>I should have taken a longer break
How would that have helped with technical issues? No I'm sorry but this is a blatant deflection and a passive aggressive threat, and feels really unlike her. I thought she was the type to face her problems head on, not the type to use an excuse to avoid them. I get she's stressed from criticism but unless I'm missing something (haven't seen the stream yet) it really doesn't seem to be something that fits the situation, too much self pity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4597942
>making literally millions of dollars
They keep roughly 1/4 of the super chats they receive and have to pay for their own merch, hoping it will sell. I'd be shocked if Coco and Rushia, the biggest SC earners, actually had a million bucks each.

[Anonymous No.]

Are people on this board this retarded to expect that each of these girls, employed by a media company to stream video games, are the ones that are meant to be in charge of setting up streams and pulling streaming permissions for specific games? The issue is clearly with the production staff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599206
There's literally a shiddit post talking about how Mori took the criticism about this stream and none of the comments were downvoted and management didn't close the topic, but sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602993
Worse streams have happened before, the real issue is her reaction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602579
it's Japan's retardation, most big western streamer don't have this issues, some of them am sure are even bigger than cover, heck even corporate one like the Yogcast don't

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
>thick skilled
what did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602993
they are contractors, the staff at cover basically hands them an avatar, a character description, gives them a little bit of training, and then cuts them loose to make content their own way
if you think someone at cover organizes their schedules you are retarded, managers are for babysitting talent and making sure they don't have a meltdown, along with giving them some analytics about their numbers

[Anonymous No.]

NO PLEASE DON'T DO THE STREAMER A HECKIN CRITICIZERINO!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602896
Sure but consider the fact that you're incredibly gullible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602896
remember that the numbers for donos you see aren't the full amounts, they only reflect since it started being tracked in 2020, and also doesn't include any non-superchat donations or memberships

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601283
>source: my ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>4599101
When hololive was organizing the 1st gen, there was this assumption that they would get part timers looking to make some cash on the side while going to college or whatever. It never occurred to them that they would get streamers looking to make a full time gig out of the deal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4603115
the thing is that intellectual property laws are better suited towards attacking other companies rather than individuals, especially those that can hire a good lawyer

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601575
>what kind of sad faggot are you that your entire identity is "I use 4chan"
>REEE YOU SAY 4CHAN SUPREMACIST HURR PLEBBIT PLEBBIT DURR!
do newfags really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602993
Streaming permissions is really them waiting to get expressed written permission that they can play the game. The vtuber who wants to play specific games will ask permissions by saying that to their managers. They wait until they are permitted to do so. Some only play games where Cover have blanket permissions over. Mori's excuse is always that she can't play the games she wants to play. But as far as I can see, she has handled almost all of the games she has said she waites permission for very poorly. She overhypes and underdelivers. Can't she just do zatsus or take in maros. She's far more better that way. And why can't she just play safe games that have been tested successful in the past. All of this hours before scuff is so tiring to watch especially when we know people will just criticize her for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4598700
Omg what a fucking travesty. Someone call the chuuba police.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602347
What is a god to a non believer

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
just don't be a retard dude
who gives a fuck

[Anonymous No.]

I was sure they mentioned that they couldn't do Cuphead collab way before because of delay. I was surprised they actually did it today and thought they solved the issue but I guess not. Did Mori forget she mentioned this problem before or did she try to brute force it to make it work? Honestly not that bad and the Phasmophobia after it was good. It seems they'll have to delay the Cuphead collab for when Gura goes to Japan since the delay was too big for remote play.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602347
>cambridge says...
>english dictionary definition
>being applied directly to a loanword with it's own meanings in the language it's in
hey anon. did you know that when japanese people say "pudding", they exclusively mean flan?
language works that way. cope harder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4603374
Yeah but most western companies realise that they only lose when they sue streamers, gaining a few bucks form them is not worth it for all the bad PR, lost advertisement, corporate streamers have existed for a long time in the west

[Anonymous No.]

It's clear from this thread that there will be trolls who shit on streamers hobby, reasonable critics who can explain what went wrong without caps lock, and completely mindless simps who will spit on your face for even suggesting their idols can commit any mistakes ("and even if they do they already know about it and must feel very hurt inside so you shut the fuck up").

There is no hope for the trolls or mindless yesmen. But the yesmen happen to be the moderators, and supported by their fellow simps. What a shitshow. This is why 4chan is needed as an alternative to the hugboxes where they rule.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know why, this thread is somehow so hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4603088
Checked it out just for you and the whole post if full of circlejerking on the off chance (never) that Mori will visit Reddit and see their comments sucking on her pussy

[Anonymous No.]

>>4603318
Japanese statistics office of highest salary earnings 2021
>mathematician
>code monkey
>cover corp manager
>cover corp staff
>janitor
>hololive member
>NEET

[Anonymous No.]

>>4603749
it's a bit different when streamers directly represent a company and channel the profits to it
then it can be argued that you're allowing another company use your intellectual property for free, which actually might lead to you losing ownership over it

[Anonymous No.]

>>4603122
Mori needs to get fat and disgusting so she can take her place as the DSP of V-tubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>4603967
Just search up Yogcast anon, they have been doing this for 10 year

[Anonymous No.]

>>4603676
The braphog thought she fixed it with 0 playtesting and even gloated about how people told her it wouldn't work well. She has the brain of a 5 year old

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602993
>Are people on this board this retarded
Do you need to ask?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4604101
They aren't a company, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>deadbraps spam how shes so hard working
>over half a year later, still cant test games before going live

Do deadbraps just blame cover for her lack of preparation? If the job is so hard, how can all these indies manage functioning collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

It's fine to criticize whoever/whatever. Just don't be an asshole about it.

The problem is 1. Most people are not smart enough to properly convey their criticism and they either end up sounding like idiots OR they end up sounding like an asshole even if the meaning wasn't there, specially in such an autistic heavy hobby like this one. And 2. Even IF there were 99 perfectly reasonable and valid criticism being made the person receiving it will immediately focus on that 1 negative criticism. It always happens, it's always happened since the beginning of the human race. You can shower someone in praise and adoration but as soon as they see one small part of negativity that's all they focus, it happens to you, me, professionals, it just does. So in the end nothing really matters, us having this discussion is pointless, it's all on the person receiving the criticism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4604335
No it doesnt to me because im not an insecure faggot like you

[Anonymous No.]

>>4604306
WTF are you talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>4604546
Yah huh it totes does

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602847
Due to timezone spread of their fanbases, EN NEEDS schedules for people to work with. The best you can ask of them is to be more vague with their schedules, put in 'game stream, karaoke stream', 'collab', etc etc.''.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601719
Collabs rarely last longer than planned, even in JP. At least one og them probably would have run into schedule conflicts if they extended it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4604546
Out of everything i wrote you literally zeroed in to the one ~negative~ behavior that was aimed at you... amazing

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602530
But that was almost a year ago. Surely there aren't so many publishers that Cover hasn't managed to contact them all by now. At least all the big ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
>are we even allowed to criticize Vtubers even if we are long time fans?

Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
Here is a useful system to rate Mori collabs; just copy-paste and fill in the blanks:

Typical Mori not preparing, but at least [collab parter] was carrying the collab by [being/doing][adjective or action]

Instead of "breaking out" Mori should rather go back into her little lonely autism bubble and stay there

[Anonymous No.]

>>4605265
>no you cant destroy me with one sentence
Cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
fuck I was gonna watch it

[Anonymous No.]

>>4605271
Questioning the logic behind a japanese company is a fool's errand. They still use fax and have to send a fruit to finish a deal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
I was enjoying just watching the girls have fun with each other. I'm sure I would enjoy the stream now if there weren't technical issues, but I don't really get why there was so much negativity around it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4605317
>Typical Mori not preparing, but at least [collab parter] was carrying the collab by [being/doing][adjective or action]
But that is the thing, not all her collabs have been like that and had good collab streams.

[Anonymous No.]

So do we all agree that Mori overreacted when she privated that collab stream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4605529
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4605529
That's pretty much the agreement we all reached especially when Gura had fun with her. I hope she doesn't feel bad for not doing anything herself and seeing Mori take all that heat. River City Girls next week isn't going to be any better and honestly I think they should cancel it, Mori should focus on the character creation Collabs for TTRPG for now cause that's the one thing she's prepared for

[Anonymous No.]

>>4605529
Yes, the tweet was unnecessary also

[Anonymous No.]

>>4604546
Nice projection

[Anonymous No.]

>>4605529
I wouldn't care if she didn't post that passive aggressive tweet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595597

[Anonymous No.]

>>4605740
Eh, i don't think it was passive aggressive but Mori just not knowing how put things in words that make sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4604546
Thanks for proving his point nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>4605654
Oh yeah,the problem with Twitter or just written shit is that its impossible to know the emotion behind this for example I WANT TO SUCK MORI'S MILKIES FROM HER TITTIES FUCKA AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA reads like i'm shouting and cooming but i was dead pan with no emotion writing that but i can 100% read her last tweet as either passive aggressive or very self deprecating.

Had she tweeted something like
>The video was too scuffed for ya boy so i'm taking it down lol sorry about that!

Or nothing at all it would've been better, i honestly think about 80% of the current reaction is more about that one tweet than anything else.

[Botan No.]

>>4597879
In the real world You would just get fired

[Anonymous No.]

>>4605790
>Something that level of quality doesn't need to exist, it was a mistake.
>Clearly I needed more time off.
Nah, it's very passive aggressive and ironic, I don't even think that many people were complaining either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4605847
Nah, I've worked with an insane amount of totally incompetent people who somehow still manage to have a job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4605921
try a real job then, not the call center.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4605847
You've never worked anything besides a McJob of you think that. Probably not even a McJob.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
fuck mori. fuck kiara and most of all, fuck their fans

[Anonymous No.]

>>4605839
>or very self deprecating
Knowing Mori it was probably that which i hope doesn't affect her other streams these coming days like that ASMR or Mario Party stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4606037
>fuck mori
>fuck kiara
don't mind if do

[Anonymous No.]

>>4598624
You really don't think that tiered memberships aren't greedy? Or holding a zatsudan right after an unarchived karaoke isn't greedy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4605973
This just outs you as the NEET/wageslave. The amount of project managers or senior directors that I've had to work with that are borderline retarded is higher than competent ones. Being good at one's job is not how you get promoted. Once you graduate undergrad you'll learn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4605973
>He thinks people don't fuck up at their real jobs
kek

[Anonymous No.]

Didn't watch it, was it really just tech problems?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595580
JUST ENJOY

[Anonymous No.]

>>4606037
Based. 2 most tranny fanbases they're unbearable

[Anonymous No.]

>>4606142
>You really don't think that tiered memberships aren't greedy?
Eh, those T3 streams are comfy because she is more open because less people than normally.
>Or holding a zatsudan right after an unarchived karaoke isn't greedy?
No?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4601217
You know before the return stream I'd have said that Cover is at fault here, but now I'm pretty sure that Mori is to blame to some degree

[Anonymous No.]

>>4606274
Real deadbeats are based though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4606346
>implying
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>4606322
Eh, not in that case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4606432
Yes. KFBeats don't count

[Anonymous No.]

>>4606037
>thread is about mori
>retard needs to talk about Kiara for no reason
????

[Anonymous No.]

>>4606306
You still haven't adressed whether having tiered memberships aren't greedy.
Also, holding a zatsu to farm superchats right after an unarchived karaoke isn't greedy to you? Fuck outta here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4606447
Well she could've confirmed a week or a few days before, didn't she?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4596040
back to your hugbox redditor

[Anonymous No.]

>>4602695
>you could have everything prepared, then realize the second before streaming that windows updates fucked up all your obs settings for example.
And that would be 100% your fault for updating Windows between prepraring for a stream and streaming.
If you're a professional streamer, you have to have all automatic updates turned off, first of all for exactly these kinds of situations, and second, so they don't start in the middle of a stream and cause a lag.
Simps keep crying that vtubing is a real job, but at the same time they see no problem with the amount of fuckups these girls (and their managers, and company as a whole) do.
They were streamers before joining hololive, they should've some knowledge on how to do stuff.
But also Cover should teach them how to avoid yabs of any kind.
Shit like
>test a game before every stream
>don't have a webcam connected to the computer
>close the bathroom door
>change the name of you windows account
>have a BIG FUCKING RED BUTTON to press and stop the stream if something bad happens anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>4606515
>You still haven't adressed whether having tiered memberships aren't greedy
Not in my opinion. It is not like she is only one with tiered memberships
>Also, holding a zatsu to farm superchats right after an unarchived karaoke isn't greedy to you?
You trying to paint her worse than what she is. Mori just wants to talk after the karaoke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4595597
Hello, you have a toll free call from BASED DEPARTMENT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4605529
It was an absolute sucka move. The tweet afterwards even more so.
Like if you're gonna make a song to call out haters try and at least have the gall to face them head-on, not censor criticism like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4606515
So are you implying karaoke is easier than a normal stream? Or why shouldn't they accept money for singing? Is it greedy to have supas on while doing a normal zatsudan with nothing before it? Even if its the lowest of the low content? Is it greedy to have supas on during watchalongs? If they had supas on during the unarchived stream AND then on the zatsudan i would get your point, but they don't so it would be the same as having them on in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4606662
Holy fuck, must be nice to be as naïve as you are

[Anonymous No.]

>>4606644
>They were streamers before joining hololive, they should've some knowledge on how to do stuff.
I get your point but we are talking about Mori here

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>>4595580
stfu and stop watching holoen retard

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>>4606713
>So are you implying karaoke is easier than a normal stream?
Nowhere in that post did I imply that
>Or why shouldn't they accept money for singing? Is it greedy to have supas on while doing a normal zatsudan with nothing before it? Even if its the lowest of the low content? Is it greedy to have supas on during watchalongs? If they had supas on during the unarchived stream AND then on the zatsudan i would get your point, but they don't so it would be the same as having them on in the first place.
This argument would've been stronger if Ame didn't constantly have her superchats off

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>>4606757
Maybe but i also don't like to be so negative all the time.

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>>4606644
Windows literally forces updates even when you have automatic updates turned off and the group policy/registry values edited.
It's an absolute garbage OS for actual work.

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Haachama is on you can shut the fuck up now

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>>“Are we allowed to criticize V-Tubers?”

Only if you’re not an ultra-faggot.

You’re not an ultra-faggot... right?

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I'm growing very tired of this "NOOOOO EVERYTHING IS GOOD YOU HAVE TO LIKE EVERYTHING YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE ANYTHING LET PEOPLE ENJOY THINGS THIS IS YOU *posts comic of guy screaming stop having fun*" mindset so many people seem to have in current year

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We're going to have to deal with this shit for weeks aren't we?

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>>4606996
But she also has them on for watchalongs, which are 75% her sitting there, sometimes making a noise while consuming copyrighted media.

Is that greedy?

The reason i asked if you're implying that is because thats the only way your argument would make sense. Karaoke is like any other content the girls make, except for they explicitly can't have supas on, if they could they would so making a zatsu afterwards with supas on is the same as if they had them on. The only way your argument about greed would be somewhat valid is if you thought karaoke was low effort content that shouldn't me monetized, like, once more, watchalongs. If you tried to argue with me that watchalongs shouldn't be monetized i could humor you, i would understand your point. But it seems that this is not your argument so what even is it?

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>>4607524
I never brought up effort at all. My gripe here is that she is trying to monetize something that shouldn't be monetized in the first place. Unrachived karaokes are not supposed to be monetized, but then she sidesteps this by holding a zatsu right after where she could collect supas that she could've made on that karaoke instead of just ending her day like every other Holo. That isn't greed to you?

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>>4607865
>Unarchived karaokes are not supposed to be monetized
Why?

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Permission? Sorry kid I went out drinking with some friends and completely forgot.

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>>4596040
jesus christ I can imagine the tears coming out of your eyes, do deadbraps really?

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>>4608011
I'm guessing copyright.

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>>4606208
there was like 40 minute of tech problems and then another hour and a bit of an alright collab. it's the same few people that have been at this for months bitching and moaning and samefagging as usual

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I don't understand why she deleted it?
The phasma part of the stream was fun?

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>>4608192
And i once again, for like the third time ask what about Watchalongs, which everyone in Holo monetizes? I'm not even arguing the point btw, i'm trying to find out what is the point of argument because apparently its not about effort, because watchalongs and zatsudans are not greedy if they're monitezed, and its not about copyright because watchalongs are not monetized either.

Oh and btw, Ame (which was brought as an example of "not greedy") has made member only "listenalongs" with supas on. What is she a jew?

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>>4596947
based

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>>4608329
I'm not that anon, I'm just a membershrimp.

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>>4608401
Lol i kinda figured from the way you wrote the comment, and yeah i understand that point of view and i would consider it fair (i wouldn't agree with it but whatever) but that anon clearly has no problems with copyright since he still hasn't said anything about the watchalongs, listenalongs, reading streams etc.

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>>4608290
Because perfectionism and her trying to edit out the early scuff is too much for her to accept. Once Mori fucks up once she freaks out about it forever. Fuck have you ever noticed how she just freezes up in games and doesn't press buttons in high stakes moments? Her head is so worried about fucking up that she'd rather do nothing than press a simple button and fuck something up by accident.

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>>4607865
Oh hey btw i don't know if you are membered to Ame but shes doing a karaoke right now and she has supas on lol. Greedy bitch.

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>>4608866
she doesnt care enough to bother editing it out and figured privating it is easier

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>>4608990
I don't give a shit if it's archived. Besides it's ok if she does it given the number of times she turned superchats off before.

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>>4605481
That's because those are hosted by the collab partner and not mori.

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>>4600807
I doubt a Japanese company would except a tweet as permission. They still use fax machines and handwrite any and all forms of documents.

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>>4609309
Well then she is being a greedy bitch then. Also you had to ask? you're not membered? You greedy fuck

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>>4600782
I can play Path of Exile on Japan servers from Argentina and have less than 400 ms, the fuck you on?

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>>4595580
Goddamn it calli its just a vocal minority its not that big of a deal. i had fun watching watching you stare at the corner whenever the ghost comes

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>>4595580
>are we even allowed to criticize
You are. You don't get to control how a person takes the criticism though. You also learn as you get older that less than 1% of humans can handle criticism and even less will take it into consideration.

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>>4595580
it's one thing criticising someone online and another actually doing something with your life instead of criticising someone else for trying their best

everything about this is kind of depressing

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aren't she's the one that constantly dab on haters? what happen

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>>4609681
you can't be seriously comparing connecting to a server in a data center to using poorly optimized netcode to connect between 2 consumer connections right?

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>>4608990
Gura once accidentally left superchats on for a while on an unarchived karaoke. Doesn't mean they're greedy, just little scatterbrained.

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>>4610873
The "haters" were fans with actual valid points.

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>>4611268
I know i was just turning around his retarded logic

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>>4611599
oh, that's must be must be pretty hurts then. still, i think she shouldn't make the situation more awkward than it already is.

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>>4595580

>a few comments

How many was it really? And how many treated it like she showed up at their house and shit on their face and broke all their electronics instead of one stream going wrong?

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Just hurts

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>>4605790
>Eh, i don't think it was passive aggressive
never had a gf did you?

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>>4606169
>The amount of project managers or senior directors that I've had to work with that are borderline retarded is higher than competent ones
I almost always find out anyone who thinks like this is a loser in life who couldnt improve in life and at his job so he thinks everyone above him are retards even though guys like this never are good enough to even get promoted