/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

So do you think that this whole Zaion debacle will affect future NijiEN hiring prospects? I get the feeling that plenty of indies saw what happened and might think twice about applying in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

No point to applying just to be a 3view shitter again and having anykara take the lion's share of revenue

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No. Literally every indie out there would jump at the chance to join Nijisanji. The dream of every vtuber is one day to become a serious artist and go corpo. If anything, they all resent Sayu for throwing away an opportunity that they would have given their left arm for, just out of pure childishness.

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>>45045409
>Literally every indie out there would jump at the chance to join Nijisanji
You misspelled Hololive. Nijisanji is nowhere near as much of a draw, especially for indies that are already firmly in 3view territory.

[Anonymous No.]

No. You just need to keep your head down if you get in. That said, don't know why anyone wants to get in. You'd be getting your 3D in like 2030 at this point.

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>>45045264
Nah they won't. What they want is instant money and popularity which Nijizangji could provide.

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>>45045550
>Nijizangji
>instant popularity

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>>45045409
That might've been a good argument several waves ago, but the numbers just aren't panning out like they used to. They'll still get applicants, but it'll be even more cloutchasing twittard ones with no sense of caution, and this whole cycle will repeat again, worse each time, with new drama queens clashing with the already present ones.

[Anonymous No.]

New wave in 3,2,1...

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>>45045264
Absolutely. Niji's reputation like their stock value and CCV is in the fucking toilet. I've heard tons of indie vtubers shitting on Niji both on and off stream. Even Niji fans have a poor reputation in the indie scene.

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>>45045772
You have not heard a single indie vtuber shit on Niji either on or off stream. Why would you make something like that up? What if someone asks you for proof?

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>>45045488
The only people that get into holo are disinterested friends that are already in holo

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>>45045264
NijiEN just showed that even if you were able to go in as an indie either thru nepotism, sucking vox's cuck or with your growing subs number, it still would not matter since you still have to deal with their cliques, a fanbase of corpobootlickers and an eventual disgraceful exit.

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You can get similar views at the smaller corpos with a better overall deal and less psychotic fans. I think nijiEN only makes sense if you are a man as it's still the best corpo for men. But Tempus isn't that far behind.

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>>45045264
>I get the feeling that plenty of indies saw what happened and might think twice about applying in the future.
Anon, most vtubers on twitch and twitter probably agree that she should have been fired. Your based and redpilled pickme 4chan girls will either apply to phase or stay indie, but that's a drop in the ocean.

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>>45045264
It will scare away Americans and other people of the Anglosphere who are ghastly afraid of cancel culture. The only ones left will be ESL which NijiEN already half is at this point especially since they cater to Chinese mainlanders. I wouldn't be surprised if the next wave will be all Chinese people.

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>>45045951
Dilate.

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>>45045409
No everyone is willing to sell their dignity and loving fandom (even if it is 2 views) to join a black company filled with leeches

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>>45045951
There's a difference between "fired" and "tarred and feathered, tossed to the schizo nijisisters who literally want you dead and keep posting your name and address and threatening to swat you, telling you that it's your problem now, while we have a bunch of nijis do some streams crying about how bad of a person you are to really drive the point home"

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>>45045951
>vtubers on twitch and twitter
So circlejerks and vtwitters?

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>>45045264
With so many sisters wanting to get closer to Vox and Hex, probably not.

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>>45045809
NTA but the national copium reserve is in its near end
you may want to stock up
I have heard a few indies to shit on niji kek

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>>45045264
Forgive the perceived shilling but I'm just using them as an example. If a small corpo like Eien can come out of seemingly nowhere, and still be hitting around 300 CCV two weeks later with over 1000 members for each of their chuubas, while not having to deal with ridiculous JP corpo autism, then there seems to be much less reason for a female vtuber to join NijiEN these days.
Maybe if you're a male there's something there, but it really says a lot when it's unironically easier to deal with the rabid unicorn fanbase staring you down in Holostars, compared to the schizo kpop-tier fanbases of the nijimales.

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>>45045264
No EN3, no wave 8.
Corpos are definitely rethinking their audition strategy to prevent more EN shitter. First hololive, now nijisanji.

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>>45045264
>So do you think that this whole Zaion debacle will affect future NijiEN hiring prospects?
1. Theres a fuckton of desperate 2views and 1views out there.
2. ESL Japs that want to avoid that school bullshit for the JP will still join NijiEN.
3. Twitterfags and culture grifters
4. Males
5. Chinese

I doubt they will ever get 3views ever again

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>>45046256
Yeah, at least Shondo comes to mind.

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>>45045409
huh is that why Nijisanji keeps debuting superstar waves like isolar and xluna?

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>>45046256
Post it, then. Bonus points if they're shitting on Niji for this particular turn of events. I'd love to hear it.

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>>45046402
That's going to be a problem for them then, they've been really number-focused on hiring after Luxiem. You basically had to be a 3view or have a fuckton of subscribers on Youtube to get in.

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>>45045951
>Anon, most vtubers on twitch and twitter probably agree that she should have been fired
let me guess, they also agree she should be doxxed every time she posts on Twitter as well?

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>>45046546
Or know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

The only thing this has confirmed is that anyone still willing to join nijisanji is literal braindead 2 views not worth watching.
Future gens are all gonna do nothing but cater to the raving kpop twitter audience they earned though luxiem and will never stand out.

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>>45045264
I mean just check the people they hired after Obsydia.
There's not even one (1) talent among their EN roster that's capable of becoming "big" in ANYTHING, whether it's streaming, music, or entertainment.
The actually talented ones would rather join Hololive or a smaller corpo than go anywhere near Nijisanji.
Also for their last 2 auditions they've never hired anyone with sub 100k subs, so their potential hires already know what the niji cutoff is.

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>>45045264
As an indie 2view I now feel more interested to apply knowing that lying snakes are not tolerated there, and after having seen what they do to uncooperative liars, will have the effect of discouraging such people from applying.
This is bait btw give me all the (you)s

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>>45045264
if people still joined wactor while knowing what a shitshow that company is, yeah people would be dumb enough to join niji

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>>45046865
>>45046546
Funny you say that when kotoka past life is unknown to this day, and yet here you are saying everyone is 100k

[Anonymous No.]

https://streamable.com/labroa
Zaion is wrong it's been debunked in this video

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>>45047151
See >>45046576

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>>45047182
Keep reposting this, nijjer, and you might actually convince someone one day.

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>>45047185
This is irrelevant to the posts I'm replying which are talking about numbers. Xsoleil had many 3view

[Anonymous No.]

Not everyone is turned off, but I'm sure a good couple of them have already been disinterested in a while. If it's not due to a belief that you need high numbers to get in after Luxiem/Noctyx, then it's probably nepotism rrats or the recent treatment of Zaion that turn potential hires off.
The thing is that NijiEN isn't a powerdraw that it was when Luxiem dropped. Yeah it's a good boost, but if you already have a loyal audience then what exactly can these japanese companies provide that you can't get as an indie? The answer is, not a ton.

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>>45047658
They can provide advertising and pay for a new model, but you'll be working up from the bottom again unless you *strongly imply* where you're going on your PL account (risking a contract violation). And now we see how NijiEN treats "contract violations".
Compare to joining any smaller, recently established group:
>advertising and a new model paid for by their venture capital bucks
>depending on the corp, they may have no problem with announcing where you're going i.e. Riro Ron's PL account announcing exactly who she'll be playing and for what corp
>better position to argue for more favorable terms for your contract, especially if you already have good numbers that you'll be bringing in
>if it's a small corp organized by other indies banding together and pooling their resources, you'll probably retain ownership of your character and model even if you quit
>depending on the corp, might be able to just straight up join as your existing incarnation i.e. Lumi when she joined Phase, enjoying all of the above benefits while keeping your entire existing audience
Sure the initial numbers boost won't be what it is if you join Nijisanji or Hololive, but the gap between smallcorps and the big two, Niji especially, has been shrinking, while the risks of being in a big corp rise. The choice seems pretty clear, especially if you have the amount of existing clout that NijiEN demands before they'll even consider you.

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>>45045409
>Literally every indie out there would jump at the chance to join Nijisanji
I don't know about that. Even if someone doesn't mind the drama, permissions are still hell, and if you're already a 3view the numbers might not be worth the company's cut.

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>>45047182
Yeah because that's what people care about

[Anonymous No.]

Every mid-tier+ EN indie is friends with each other. I just wish I was reading the gossip on the big EN indie Discord instead of on 4chan but they refuse to invite me. Now I have to settle for you people. But I can assure you there is tea being spilled in the background. You can try to figure out the conclusion they came by watching who Sayu will be collabing with after her redebut, if anyone.

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>>45050484
OHHHHH SISTERS!!!!!!!!!

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>>45045264
Yes, big time. The only ones who will be willing to apply now are actual sociopaths, grifters, and snakes like Hex. No one with any sense of decency will ever want to touch Nijisanji.

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>>45047182
https://youtu.be/Zi-J9mUiHrI
>trusting someone with the emotional maturity of a child
>misuses the word "gaslight"

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>>45046402
wouldn't matter if they would not have any 3views to choose from

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>>45051470
it's not even her nijifamily this time. what a cunt.

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Well let's think
>xsolel is getting like 600 viewers a stream except Hex who is a pedo
>nijigirls are pretty irrelevant
>nijiboys are all groomers except Ike who is just a metalhead (based?)
>Niji talents literally gloat at male fans about 'cucking' them
>the niji talents hate their fans for being parasocial, but hate them for not being parasocial (because it means less money)
>waku waku
>nijisanji is a fucking joke and will backstab you, only join if you are literally a 1 viewer shitter desperate for a ccv greater than nothing, otherwise phase connect or kawaii pro would be good if you're not insane, or even shoott for the stars and try out for holo en 3 if it ever happens
>but nijien is toxic and retarded as fuck and the livers are really awful people, even vshojo is less backstabby if froot is ignored

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>>45046487
Xsoleil and Iluna make more money than 90% of the indies out there.
Scarle is a leader in superchats and gets more than even the hololive girls and Aia managed to pay off her student loans in just a few months of being in NijiEn.
Views literally do not matter. In nijisanji you're given a shit load of opportunities to make cash from merch to sponsors to events to streamlabs to superchats and memberships.
Zaion was a fuckup who fucked up from the very beginning by hiding everything membership wise behind a $10 paywall (aside from emotes) and deleted every third vod.
CCV doesn't equal success.

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>>45053442
Oh so if everyone can find some millionaire loser like scarle then they can also be rich. Wow okay.

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>>45053647
To get that from what I posted takes either an astonishing lack of intelligence or a lack of the ability to understand English. Isn't it a bit late there SEAfriend?

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>>45050035
Apparently threatening to SWAT people is completely fine according to twitter.

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>>45052946
>Ike "i'm NEVEr going to play hogwarts legacy" Eveland
>based
Sure

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>>45046079
My boy Milo absolutely morbed that movie with the dance scene.
Truly, the most have sex moment of all cinema.

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>>45050035
>11 following
>Had 0 tweets after 2014
>Isn't even following a single member of nijisanji or anyone even remotely big in the fandom
Ah yes totally not anyone from /here/, my favorite game of posting literalwho and claiming their opinions matter. I honestly love it because people fall for it every time.

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>>45045409
the problem with nijien hires is they expect the best to apply (3 views or more) but they don't give those people a reason, if they lowballed with high 2 views then maybe there would be more people willing to apply, but as is it just isn't worth it. they expect the best but most members nowadays are high 3-views and for some random indie to have some growth at the cost of their freedom and money is just stupid.

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>>45050035
I know he's a 4 foot tall seanigger kid.

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>>45053442
Every corpo talent makes more than 90% indies. You greatly underestimate how many noview streamers there are.

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>>45045409
Yeah, I'm sure many indies are just foaming at the mouth in excitement at the thought of joining Aster and many other of their streamers as low 3 view shitters

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>>45045834
I think tempus does better in memberships and superchats than the majority of the newer males. But I don't think they could sustain another generation of EN males, Tempus 2 was spreading it pretty thin, they got lucky with bettel though.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh I don't underestimate it at all I'm just saying that even if you're a 3view becoming a part of a corporation is a good idea. It's definitely more restrictive than I'd like but the amount of ways you can earn money while being in one is ridiculous. Almost everyone would jump at the opportunity even if their views were no higher than they were in their past lives.
If they didn't they'd be a fool.

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>>45052946
shu, alban, and ren are pretty harmless. doppio seems okay, too.

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>>45053782
Remember when Elon was supposed to fix this?

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>>45055384
>dresses up as the knight of satan for halloween
No.

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>>45051470
bro thats the third pillar of lazulight show respect

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>>45053442
>Xsoleil and Iluna make more money than 90% of the indies out there.
99% of thos 90% wouldn't even be considered as Nijihires, so how does that matter?

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>>45045264
Hololive and Nijisanji are becoming less and less attractive to 3 view indies. The main thing is Nijisanji will likely improve their hiring and scouting so that these mistakes aren't made again.

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>>45058066
Because to the 1% who are considered, the low 3views and mid 3views, joining a corporation will always be favorable. There are just far too many ways out there to make money. Even if you don't get any bigger of an audience from joining you'll still have way more opportunities to make money than you would as an indie.

[Anonymous No.]

Rejoice people of Zaion. Your suffering has been foretold! Rest assured that the Lord's wrath will come down upon the heathens of Nijisanji!

As it was written:

>Psalms 137:1-3
>1 By the rivers of Babylon,
> we sat and wept
> when we thought of Zaion, our home, so far away.
>2 On the branches of the willow trees,
> we hung our harps and hid our hearts from the enemy.
>3 And the men that surrounded us
> made demands that we clap our hands and sing—
>Songs of joy from days gone by,
> songs from Zaion, our home.
>Such cruel men taunted us—haunted our memories.

But wait and rejoice for the Lord will deliver us from evil

>Isaiah 62:11
>11 The Lord has announced a message
> from one end of the earth to the other.
>He has said, “Tell the people of Zaion,
> ‘Look! Your Savior is coming!
>He is bringing his people back as his reward.
> He has won the battle over their enemies.’”

And now do as the Lord says and crush the spiteful Nijisanji

>Micah 4:13
>13 The Lord says,
>“People of Zaion, get up
> and crush your enemies.
> I will make you like a threshing ox.
>I will give you iron horns and bronze hooves.
> So you will crush many nations.”
>They got their money in the wrong way.
> But you will set it apart to the Lord.
>You will give their wealth
> to the Lord of the whole earth.

SIEG ZAION

[Anonymous No.]

>>45059617
SIEG ZAION
SIEG ZAION
SIEG ZAION

[Anonymous No.]

Well congratulations, you got yourself graduated. So what's the next step of your master plan?

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>>45045488
>indies wanting to get in niji? I-Impossible! muh holo!
not everyone wants to be a holo, I know that's a shock

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>>45055995
Does anyone unironically believe this shit besides her few delusional remaining fans? She isn’t the pillar of jack shit.

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>>45059963
Good thing Phase Connect, Idol, and many other smaller companies exist.

[Anonymous No.]

given the drama AND the poor numbers for nijien in general and xsoleil in particular, only 2views should apply. If you're getting 200-300 viewers it's ridiculous to even consider it

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>>45059877
crashing this company..
WITH NO CRIPPLES

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>>45060052
PC isn't much better than being an Indie and idk anything about idol.
Most of PC with the exception of Pippa and like one other girl get less than 500 ccv on average while having less opportunities for merch and sponsorships

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>>45060316
Tenma has decent viewership on twitch but yea Pippa is the most popular by a wide margin.

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>>45045488
Indies are used to doing whatever they want, the less abundant perms and more strict management of hololive might not be ideal for them. And if they're a male, stars isn't ideal either.

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>>45059963
>not everyone wants to be a holo, I know that's a shock
Hololive looking for idols is no secret.
This gatekeeping is what made them the success today.
NijiEN was the alternative if didn't want to do the reps. But smaller corps having more freedom are much more enticing today.

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>>45060015
yeah, me.

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>>45060732
Go back

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>>45045409
Nijisanji is where Hololive rejects go, it's far from a dream

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>>45045264
Hopefully, the less candidates care about big corpos the healthier it is for the industry.
Small corpos are more relevant now than ever and we should be cheering them on, competition is necessary to avoid stagnation and propel vtuber culture forward

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>>45060838
explain seren

[Anonymous No.]

I guess this might be irrelevant to what op said but honestly sometimes I wonder if it's just better to stay indie than join any company.I know you can get more opportunities and someone watching over you,but being on your own you can have more freewill of what you want to do.

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>>45060723
The thing is though as an indie, if you want a corp with freedom you need to strike a balance between a corp with freedom and a corp that makes you feel like you're not an Indie anymore.
Like I love prism but even the former heavy hitters like Shiki don't get more than 100 or so viewers lately. If I were a 2view already I'd find it hard to be sold on corps that don't really offer that much to the talents.

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>>45063618
I mean Prism is basically a zombie company and hasn't been relevant in like a year. They used to be the top dogs long ago but the other companies either surpassed them or died off.

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>>45045264
Depends on how small the indie is, for someone that was a bigger indie like zaion it was a mistake

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>>45063771
Okay but even looking at companies like Phase, most of their talents are irrelevant nobodies as well who barely get into the 3digit range. Pippa is the only one who ever breaks into 4view territory and tenma gets like 500ccv and those are the top two. If I have 100-300 or so ccv, what could they really offer me? And their last hires were poached from another company anyways so that lessens my chances even more seeing as they haven't hired anyone else

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Bump

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>>45063531
I've posted in ither threads how this whole drama has put me off from applying to NijiEN. I won't get in if I'm not friends with Elira, and if I do I have to have big numbers and even then I'll still have to join one of the cliques or I'll be as good as gone. They don't offer salaries, talent protection is bullshit and the drama and cliques are not worth it, even as a 1view. If I wanted to join a big corpo filled with drama I'd apply for Vshojo, and if I wanted the stress of JP corps I'd auditon to Hololive; I have the same chances of getting into those as being scouted by NijiEn, but they offer better numbers and pay overall lmao.

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>>45063771
Prism had a real chance to make it big. Or at least Shiki and Luto did. Unfortunately they both fucked off during their growing period so they stagnated hard, and the company collapsed to the point they had to sell out to Sony.
>>45064630
>If I have 100-300 or so ccv, what could they really offer me?
Merchandise for one. It's not something that indies have an easy time doing for themselves. There is a lot of work that goes into merchandise:
>Negotiating manufacturing, likely with different manufacturers unless you are only doing one product. You have to design it, work with them to decide how many you want made and, most importantly, negotiate wholesale price. You have no leverage as an indie, but a corporation that does regular business with them is likely to receive better treatment.
>Deciding on pricing to consumer. Which can be harder than you would think. You need to look not only at what that wholesale cost is but also how spendy your viewers are. All while keeping in mind that they are likely paying out the ass for shipping already.
>Dealing with shipping. Which is absolutely not something you want to do by yourself when you are shipping possibly hundreds of parcels internationally.

Even kson ostensibly joined Vshojo for the assistance on merch, because she fucked it up trying to do it herself.
Exposure is still a thing too, even if the small corpo talents individually have lower CCV, those are (probably) still viewers that aren't watching you right now. If you can bring your existing audience, AND get some of those new people watching, that's a win.

>seeing as they haven't hired anyone else
Phase recently ended auditions for another gen. They had some problems with the last one that delayed things, but it seems to be in order now. They aren't going full ACCELERATE like Nijisanji, but they aren't sitting on their asses like Hololive either.

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Makes sense they'd smear her as an uncooperative bitch when she was probably one of the largest vtubers who had joined them and got little benefit from it. Don't want to scare off any other big indies, it's clearly all because Zaion's a fucking bitch

[Anonymous No.]

To be fair everything about Nijien was repellent to any decent and ambitious indies long before her. It's no wonder illuna and xsoleil turned out the way they did.

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>>45064630
Not that anon but if it's something like Idol, then they pay for equipment and some of your games. If it's Kawaii, then they help pay for 3D, which those debuts went really well for those girls. Not sure what Eien's long term plans are, but whatever they're doing in the short term seems to be working well.
Basically, I think that the small corpos that are willing to invest the resources to help their girls grow are the ones that will carry forward, regardless of CCV. Older small corpos whose level of investment started and stopped with buying their talents' initial models have already fallen by the wayside, like Tsunderia and Cyberlive.
>>45066141
>Merchandise
Now I remember. Eien has big plans for merch, and Kawaii goes crazy with theirs. I'm pretty jealous of all the stuff you can get with Amano Nene on it now.

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>>45066268
don't say that about maririn

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>>45059963
>he says when NijiEN is a bunch of Holorejects
LOL
LMAO

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>>45045409
Maybe when Luxiem got the fujos onboard and they were on fire but not after three disappointing waves and Luxiem losing basically half of their fanbase. The types of talents Niji wants are established streamers with a history of success but what's the point when the best new waves have to hope for are ~1k regular viewers and Anykara taking the a huge chunk of whatever income they make. It would unironically be better for those has-beens to leech off of the established NijiEN livers and keep all of their income for themselves.

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>>45066123
Yeah all those negative factors sound not fun to deal with desu

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>>45045264
Kyo and Enna are so based for getting rid of this parasite

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Enna only fucks Kyo because it's the closest she can legally get to a real child's dick. https://streamable.com/2qgth0

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>45068212

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Bait

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>>45045819
>disinterested friends
This would've been a valid argument if we weren't talking about nepotismsanji.

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>>45066295
I think that literally every corporation pays for at least some of your equipment .
And the ones that don't seem to give you at least some sort of signing bonus, I'm pretty sure both Niji and Hololive actually pay you some sort of sign-on bonus which is why the people who work at them are able to commission things before debut.

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>>45066141
I suppose the merch is definitely a plus if you have a corporation that's willing to do merch frequently, but I feel like phases merch comes out way too slow. It'd be nice if there was something in their store that was a little bit more exciting from time to time .
I can't complain too much though, but still. And I don't necessarily know if those are strong enough arguments to make in favor of one corporation over a corporation like nijisanji either .
I'd say the only thing that really might inspire you is the fact you might have a better chance of getting in, but the fact that phases last hires were a poach from another corp makes me very curious to see who these new ones will be. I don't really know, phase is such a very odd corporation they have the potential to be something like prism but better because they are a corporation without the Japanese restrictions but that hasn't quite gone the vshoujo route. I'm not big on the pink rabbit but I like some of the others
I
unironically blame sony for prism stagnating Like the old owners definitely sucked, but ever since Sony bought it out they do what they do with literally every property but they buy and just expect it to make money instead of actually investing anything in it. I don't necessarily blame Shiki and maybe it's just cuz she's my oshi but she is unironically Ill and seems to struggle a lot with mental health issues too

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>>45072887
niji hires are shit too yeah but thats besides the point

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>>45073964
A few prominent Nijis have mentioned that they get basically nothing from merch. Kuzuha and Mysta have both "joked" about it. Selen once mentioned she wasn't even allowed to spend her own money to improve the cookie cutter merch. So it seems like, aside from voice packs, merch is an entirely hands-off thing that only really benefits the company. It's not like Hololive where they can fund their own fun merch like cushions, bean bags or Lamy literally having an award-winning sake that she has direct input on in every step of manufacturing.

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>>45075448
I've seen mixed things, I know at least one of them mentioned that she's had a lot more say in her merch recently, and I know that some of the merchandise ideas go directly through to the talent themselves, in order to get approved .
Other times the merch is definitely approved without any of them saying a word, voice practice seem to have a lot of control over being able to write their own custom scripts and stuff and voice packs are on their most popular features with at least one number confirming that she makes enough off of voice packs alone to where one voice pack alone sold more than what she would get for an entire months worth of Super chats .
And so while I could see the appeal of having more say in your own merch, I would still find it hard to choose PC or even idol if I was a girl and presented an option between nijisanji and those two. At least at the time being, if PC ends up blowing up big in the near future, and a very well might sing is it's just about one of the only semi-large English corporations that actually feels like a corporation versus vshoujo which literally just feels like a bunch of streamers who tried to call themselves a corporation but in reality have no corporate elements to them, then I might consider joining them over niji but as of right now, I would still say that if you're an indie with a high three view or mid three view even, you're probably better off applying to niji.

I think if you're a two view then maybe perhaps PC would be a very good choice for you because you'd probably have a lot higher of a chance of getting in. But that's just my personal opinion Take it for what you will

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nijisanji when they suspended zaion.
https://streamable.com/ohkn8e

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>>45045264
Yes, they will not hire based on numbers
at least not live numbers
Zaion was "big enough" on her PL, that's why she didn't bend the knee, but she didn't expect management to go scorching earth on her public image

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>>45053782
twitter tranny jannies are probably part of it to begin with

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>>45077022
Most likely

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>>45060881
This

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>>45075448
Or all the Myth girls (and Vesper and Altare) wanting things that you can use in more common contexts.

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>>45051470
>uses the word "gaslight"
fixed

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>>45072887
Anon... do you know how massive the nepotism is in hololive? It just hasn't blown up in their faces to this degree. Sana is Holo's worst example so far, but JP is rife with it

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>>45045264
If you are currently able to maintain a CCV of several hundred viewers, there is no reason to apply to Nijisanji EN. Simple as. This was speculated since the beginning of Zaion's premiere when people found out who she was.

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>>45078948
Niji would give more opportunity for growth than you'd ever see as an indie. Zaion just didn't stick around long enough to see any noticeable difference

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>>45080023
Nijisanji has a finite audience and they keep dividing it into smaller and smaller portions with every new wave. The cold hard truth is that Vtubing is NOT huge in the west like it is in Japan. It's a small niche market. Oversaturation is already an issue.

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>>45080150
Nijisanji could help grow it to some extent, since marketing is a big part of this (audience demand doesn’t just come out of nowhere, or at least, that demand still needs nurturing). Problem is, given who NijiEN attracts as an audience, it’s not as if that sort of growth would be helpful to someone outside the clique like Zaion.

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>>45080150
But you could make the same argument for indies. Many people watch both. Corpo just results in more exposure

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>>45080150
It doesn't help that Nijisanji keeps making terrible hiring choices. Good talent would grow the company and allow the smaller talents to grow with it, but the people Nijisanji is hiring only drag the company down.

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>>45045772
Even NijiJP is worried about what NijiEN is becoming...

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>>45080593
That and they're hiring way too fast. I know quantity > quality is a meme but the real problem is they don't really let older waves settle in and gain a foothold before introducing a new one. They need to focus on building the foundations before introducing more

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>>45080345
>>45080402
If you are a literal 2view, then yes absolutely. Nijisanji will help you grow. Provided you keep your head down and don't do anything to upset the more rabid side of the fanbase. Or upset management enough that they tie a steak around your neck and send you to them. Ironically, if you are a 2view, your best course of action would be to join for a while, get some exposure, then graduate (hopefully gracefully) once your contract is up. Sticking with them is not going to help you in the long run.

If you are already a comfortable 3view, you are giving up roughly 50% of your profits for a small boost in CCV while praying you become a new fan favorite and see moderate growth instead. You will not be getting much of anything from the merchandise, aside from voice packs, so don't count on making bank from that. Nijisanji does not allow you to fund merchandise out of pocket in order to get a larger cut from it so get used to them selling acrylic stickers with your face on it while you earn nothing back. Kuzuha has said multiple times that he doesn't see a single penny from merchandise, and he's the biggest they have. The reality is that Tazumi is a trendchaser who seeks quick profit returns (for himself) and has no problems abandoning a company once it starts to decline. He is NOT in it for the long haul. This is by his own admission.

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The take away from all this is we must accelerate.

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>>45081326
A lot of this comes off as a numberfag narrative. Mito has said more than once she makes way more off of merch than she does anything else. Nina has spoken about how she makes more money off her voice packs than she does in a month off of superchats and Aia has mentioned paying off her student loans already using the merchandise she got and she's certainly not a fan favorite. Literally nobody in en has a second job they have to work to make rent payments or anything similar.
You really underestimate how much money merch makes.

Also the article you're citing was from before the first wave of JP. Nijisanji is 5 years old at this point and the amount of revenue it's making has only gone up. This narrative sucks. Get new material

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>>45080150
I feel the only way for niji to get an actual new audience
Would be a Twitch based wave, not even new males bring new people they just have to share
That also put in evidence what kind of character the fujo audience want
when you take the 6 males from ILUNA and XSOLEIL
the tops follow similar design to luxnoc and smooth/deeper voice reigns
Now for content, fujos don't like "gamer" streams, aster is the bottom feeder while Hex playing any horror shit get him thousands of donations

The gamer wave is DOOMED on the current fujo audience, so if they don't try something new like being focused on twitch
they will become a full wave of asters

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>>45082364
Voice packs good. Merchandise bad. This has been known about for a VERY long time. In fact, Pomu literally mentioned that very thing during her current stream. https://files.catbox.moe/33y8k4.mp4
I'm not underestimating how much money merch makes. I'm saying it all goes to the company.

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>>45083506
I'd honestly be interested in knowing whether or not merch is lower because it's less frequently done therefore pays less or if they get a smaller cut off of it overall.
Regardless though they still make a shit load off of voice packs and merchandise, like I said earlier, multiple en members have attested to them being paid very well off of it so I have a hard time believing it ALL goes to company.

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>>45045264
Any indie that meets the requirements and has any sense whatsoever would look at LOLISEX's abysmal performance and draw the conclusion that it's not worth giving Kurozhangji half of their income

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I used to want to apply for nijiEN because I thought that they would be more like nijiJP, but the culture and yabs since luxiem have dissuaded me from joining. I know I'm just a nobody but I'd rather stay indie.

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>>45084172
She specifically said "bang for your buck" so that should be cut. I believe voice packs are 50/50 like streamlabs. Supers would be ~35% because it is a 50/50 cut AFTER Youtube takes 30%. I want to say memberships are the same, so merch is at minimum less than that.

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the only reason i would join NijiEN is because they can actually get perms for things i might want to stream, but if im already a 3view indi, there is 0 benefit

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>>45084764
It's hard to say for certain since we don't have the official percentages but I could believe them getting a lesser percentage but not $0. Especially for anniversary merch and shit that's designed by them

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Zaion did everything right.

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I think at this point a decentralized vtuber landscape, especially amongst the overseas section of the community, is inevitable. It may not happen this year or next year but the benefits of being corpo have been getting less and less as each new drama and strict internal rule boxes in the remaining appeal advantage Hololive and Nijisanji has towards looser corpos like VShojo and Phase Connect and going full Indie. A successful EN3 for Hololive would delay this decentralization awhile longer but it feels like an inevitable trend against corpos has been in effect for the past year.

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>>45045264
no, new hires will want to be part of the clique and in it for the money

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>>45045264
Yeah I hope NijiEN dries up like Nina's barren vagina. It's a horrifying company to be in with terrible backstabbing coworkers. More companies would also realize that vtubers like Zaion are unmarketable in a meek and docile environment that begs for sponsorships from kid-friendly companies; so they'd have more stringent auditions from now, unless if they're grifter companies; which almost all of them are.

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>>45048250
Yep, all these points are very much along the lines of what I'm thinking. The age of 2 corpo dominance is on its way out.

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RELEASE THE LOGS ZAION BURN THESE BLACK ASS GORILLAS ALIVE

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>it's another Zaion thread
I'm posting this image again because I can.
Corpo is cancer and the tribalism is cringe.

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>>45084979
Take a look at what NijiENs actually stream. If it's not some kind of non-game content, it's almost guaranteed to be one of a small handful of things. Their managers are practically absent 90% of the time, especially if you're not one of their golden children, and you're going to get smacked if you just say fuck it and reach out to the publisher of the thing you want to stream yourself.

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Sort of off topic but does anyone have the higher res version of this image?

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>>45075448
>It's not like Hololive where they can fund their own fun merch like cushions, bean bags or Lamy literally having an award-winning sake that she has direct input on in every step of manufacturing.
it is like hololive, just not true for nijien, for some reason

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>>45089578

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No, not after they throw zaion under the bus like that. No proper big corpo do something like that, not even football clubs with rapist players handle it like how niji does.

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>>45060015
No, and Elira being the original source of the cancer clique (and also not my or your friend, please remember) means the game was rigged from the start.

I cling to my Pommers for the memories of what once was and the lost hope of what could have been, but I'm 100% ready for her to turn out bad too.

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>>45060708
You say that like nijisanji didn't just fire someone for not obeying management.

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>>45045264
WACTOR stills exist so no kek

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Explains why Hololive didn't push out EN3. Once they saw how NijiEN was managed, they'd just have to sit back and watch the implosion occur. HoloStars helped accelerate the plan, taking from Luxiem causing Nijisis to eat their own.

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>>45045264
A company that abuses the copyright system to save face. But does nothing when their talent is publicly doxxed and harassed on Twitter. Instead, joins in on the character assassination.
When Rushia was threatening legal action after her termination, Hololive doubled down but kept stating in their replies to not harass Rushia.
The difference between the two agencies is night and day.