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At what point is it better to stay as an indie rather than joining a corpo?

>> No.44185565
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Remember when homobeggars were saying homos would keep their debut week numbers and beat Kiara?

>> No.44185607

What is this trend about people saying is would have been better for them to stay as an indie? No it fucking wouldn't have that's why they joined in the first place, bunch of retards dude I swear

>> No.44185633

>>44185493
Don't Miyabi and Uyu get similar views and do just fine?

>> No.44185688

>>44185493
how many views was he getting as an indie though?

>> No.44186378

Unfortunately Homos get paid a fixed salary so they'd be well off even as 2views.
And knowing that homobeggar Yagoo he probably even pays them more than the girls to "support" them.

>> No.44186602

>>44185493
No because no indie can get past 200 viewers in Jewtube.

>> No.44186689

>>44186378
They get a normal jp salary anon

>> No.44186829

>>44185688
Under 100

>> No.44186833
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>>44186602
They can get ccv in the thousands on twitch where 90% of streamers are.

>> No.44187226

>>44185493
>joining a corpo
vs
>being an indie
OP is a retard

>> No.44187527

>>44186689
Cover suddenly wanting holostars to increase membership numbers before their IPO does indicate they were getting subsidized with hololive money. Investors will ask questions on finances and Yagoo must have known the current spending on holostars doesn't add up.

>> No.44187555

>>44186833
And then end up getting doxed and harassed if you do anything to offend the "people" that aren't banned from that platform.

>> No.44187620

>>44185493
most of the homos got under 100 views even Vesper the most popular of them only had 35 viewers at most

>> No.44187637

475 viewers is a pipe dream for literally 98% of streamers

>> No.44187749
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>>44185493
This is what you get for fagbaiting.
Meanwhile picrel is what you get for being a proper brotuber.
And no, Bettel's income isn't from SAR according to his SC breakdown. So Saudi Arabian's aren't the answer.

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I didn't even know TF2 servers were working.
Remembering his campaign playthrough, this must be hard to watch.

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>>44185633
What the FUCK is going on with uyu

>> No.44188058

>>44187994
Fuma is good at splatoon, gamma is a mangaka, rio has an androgynous voice and uyu... well

>> No.44188066

>>44187994
He's boring.
That's the reason why certain people in big corpos don't get high numbers 99% of the time.

>> No.44188223

>>44186833
>top 1% of Vtubers
If you have the ability to do that as an indie then all power to you. But at the end of the day even the runts of StarsEN and NijiEN gain a floor of 300-500 viewers at the absolute worse and a network of creators along with company resources. If that's what is considered failure in two big corpos then it's much preferable to grind of fighting the thousands of indies on the market to reach a similar status by yourself

>> No.44188260

Flayon is boring and his voice is annoying, he dosen't play into his character appeal either

>> No.44188285

>>44188260
>he dosen't play into his character appeal either
qrd? Only homos I watch are Vesper and Bettel.

>> No.44188314

>>44185565
no

>> No.44188328

>>44188260
dont care, hes cute.

>> No.44188507
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Finally. Someone actually plays the multiplayer for Titanfall 2.

>> No.44188755

>>44186833
Isn't the going rate $100 for consistent 3K embedded viewers on Twitch? It doesn't break TOS.

>> No.44188865

>>44188285
>Shota with mecha theme
>Don't know and barely play anything interesting related to mecha
>People call him cute but the retard plays the whiny brat everytime raping your ears
It doesn't help the retard always sounds like a bad dub making him insufferable

>> No.44188868

>>44186829
It's probably roughly even then. Although you get a merch cut (if he even sells any) staying in Hololive.

>> No.44188877

>>44187749
More than 900 gifts in two normal streams? Wtf

>> No.44189062

>>44188877
I don't know, it's not saudi arabians. It's not his birthday or a milestone, he didn't complete either game stream he played. People just like giving to the clown and he doesn't ask for it or beg either.

>> No.44189102

>>44188865
Bad dub would be nice if there was any variety (for hololive). But its just all rpg maker stuff and the occasional megamanZero.

>> No.44189154

>>44189062
Clown seems to be friends with very well-off twitch streamers, I would guess there's some overlap in the audience or some direct donos from said streamers.

>> No.44189247

>>44189154
Possibly, I've been watching the clown for years now and he's always had a wide network

>> No.44189307

>>44189154
>>44189247
When your RM is friends with the likes of TomatoGaming, that kind of makes sense.
Tomato is a very good streamer in his own right and his friends are pretty fucking funny.

>> No.44189493

>>44188223
Having over even 100 CCV puts you at the top 1%. Even the lowend of what big corpo tubers pull is still like top 0.5% And if you have big Pekora numbers you're stratified even further within that top 1%

>> No.44189875

>>44185493
I know it's low for Holo standards, but it's really good ccv for a chuuba. Titanfall is a cool game, so why did it get a low ccv?

>> No.44190043

>>44189875
It's MP in quickmatch lobbies played by a total novice.

>> No.44190082

>>44189875
Flayon is just the runt of his gen/Tempus. Any other boy would probably get at least 1000 or thereabouts. The more popular boys like Bettel, Magni, Altare, and Vesper would probably swing 2000 or more. Flayon is doing fine in any case.

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>>44189875
I really like Tempus but Flayon is a hard watch for me and it's hard for me to describe why, it's like...he makes autism noises a lot and despite me being interested in his game choices, it makes him nearly impossible for me to watch

Just way too much screaming and loud interjections into other people's conversations, and he just sticks innuendo awkwardly into conversations where it doesn't belong...Tempus collabs sound like 7 bros and one Special Ed stupident that the teacher forces them to hang out with. It's just cringe.

>> No.44190808

>>44187994
he doesn't use the voice changer as often as people would like

>> No.44190828

are you going to make this thread each time he streams, just jerk off in silence faggot

>> No.44190986

>>44185493
Unless the corpo is restricting you there is no reason to not be corpo
It’s a matter of “do I want to bother being restricted/ can I conform if I have to change?/ do I mind deeling with perms/ etc”
You get free resources that would’ve taken your time and money and ones that you can’t get otherwise
Even if your numbers don’t boom you can do what you’re used to with more comfort

>> No.44191058

>>44187620
(You)

>> No.44191097

>>44187555
Literally 99% of big twitch streamers played the game without giving a single fuck.

>> No.44191154

>>44190828
it's sad because these are the same numbers that aia, scarle, and aster pull from the nijis and yet you don't see spam shitposts on them because they're so irrelevant

>> No.44191163

>>44189154
A lot of his fans don’t seem to care about any of his old fans
He’s just the type of character girls really like

>> No.44191185

I only watched him in the Kobo collab. I don't watch Tempus, but he was too loud(kobo too), so I couldn't even finish watching.

>> No.44191342

>>44190450
I don't know why they keep hiring twinks. They are had to watch for men and woman.

>> No.44191433

>>44185565
Yes, a lot of them were claiming they would "save" holoEN.
Fucking disaster.

>> No.44191521

>>44188865
He's not even a shota, he's a femboy. Nabi's child Oshiro Ito is a shota.

>> No.44191588

>>44191433
Literally who
Even on Twitter tempus fans were confused and didn’t understand new boys so soon
Hell some of them were openly upset because they thought they would ruin the og boys’ dynamic

>> No.44191670

>>44185565
Proof?

>> No.44191697

>>44185493
It completely depends on your goals. If you just want money then being a low 4 view is best.

>> No.44192829

>>44185493
Literally all he has to do is suck on a lollipop near the microphone.

>> No.44193108

>>44191154
Scarle actually makes money though, so no one really complains about her.
Flayon brings nothing to the table. If he made the same amount Bettel did then he'd get the Scarle treatment and no one would give a fuck.
Taken from the SC rankings thread.
>Scarle Yonaguni - $28,301
>Gavis Bettel (Holostars) - $34,271
Scarle this month made more than Lamy in SC's.
Bettel is being gifted a ton of subs (over 900 in two streams alone as shown >>44187749) AND making 30k+ in SC's.
Flayon is..existing?

>> No.44193175

>>44185493
When you are a homo or NijiEN new hire at this point

>> No.44197599

>>44186602
Miori can

>> No.44199051

>>44185493
Holofags are so distracted by 5 digit numbers that they don't even realize the average indie can't even breach above 100 CCV let alone 50 CCV.

>> No.44199642
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>>44185493
>just go indie!!
And miss out on merch and recording deals?? Yeah, I'm sure he'll be better off!!

>> No.44199721

>>44199051
Let's just call it different standard, once you're a holo (yes, holostars included) you gonna be judged from different metric and perspective. A holopro members are not your average indie.

>> No.44199772

>>44185493
Titanfall 2 is my favorite fps but holy shit he is playing like fucking trash and his unauthentic persona makes everything 10 times worse

>> No.44200078

>>44199772
>unauthentic persona
What the hell does this even mean?

>> No.44200120
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It could always be worse

>> No.44200190

>>44186689
They get a normal JP salary and then they also get their cuts of superchats, memberships, etc as well. Average JP salary is $41k USD, so the absolute minimum they would make, IF they were working full time hours would be $19.71 / hr. They work roughly half those hours a week if even that, so they're essentially raking in $40/hr minimum. I think he'll be good even at his sub 500 a stream numbers.

>> No.44200540

>>44188877

I literally got woken up by my phone at like 4AM one day thanks to a "You got a gift sub!" alert for Bettel. He wasn't even streaming at the time, it was 8 hours before one of his streams.

There are just some rich, crazy people willing to toss out subs like candy to people they enjoy and Bettel has a few of them like that. Hell, within 30 minutes before his stream today he had someone gift like 350 subs.

>> No.44200581

>>44189062
He got a ton of gifts because he had an unarchived members karaoke later and said if you didn't have a message in your SC just give gifts instead.

>> No.44200807

>>44190450

Oddly enough, his game choices are one of the main reasons I stay away; I don't find them interesting.

That aside, yes, I do feel like he's the one that is ACTING the most, like he's a voice actor filling a role and it just isn't landing. I don't think there's much of an English audience for bratty boys.

I get that he's probably THE best voice actor in the entire EN branch, but we're not looking for voice actors, we're looking for content creators.

>> No.44201496

>>44200078
He sounds like Kirito in SAO Abridged. Unauthentic and feels more like a parody than him portraying his character.

Normally someone would just make themselves as part of the character if they don't have the ability to portray one properly but instead flayon decided to make a fake ass voice that feels like a shitty anime dub.

I don't like using mori for an analogy but its like how she talks on stream, as if her audience was autistic

>> No.44201912

>>44200807
>he's a voice actor filling a role and it just isn't landing
>I get that he's probably THE best voice actor in the entire EN branch, but we're not looking for voice actors, we're looking for content creators.
You're trying really hard to talk shit and it just not working. You're saying his voice acting isn't part of the entertainment? You can't be serious here. Making it very obvious you don't even watch him. Like, you hear he voice character lines and automatically say "No" without even giving him a chance.

>> No.44202075

>>44200190
Wait, people really believe Cover is paying them 41K a year before they do anything? Even before looking at what some girls have said or what Cover offers their other positions, you people could use some common sense. Being a holo used to be a part-time job. Their 'base allowance' is likely 600 a month or thereabouts.

>> No.44202225

>>44201912
I'm sorry flayon we ain't watching your streams even though we watch the other tempus boys

now go get pegged somewhere else

>> No.44202383

>>44201496
>Unauthentic and feels more like a parody than him portraying his character
And how do you know what his character sounds? Who gave you the authority on how he should sound like?
>Normally someone would just make themselves as part of the character if they don't have the ability to portray one properly
Now you're just saying words that have no meaning to them.

>> No.44202462

>>44187994
The same reason why Lui is still the runt of HoloX despite Laplus' continuous fuck ups, he's BORING!

>> No.44202846

>>44202225
Now you're falling back to shitposting because your argument fell apart. Why even bother talking a vtuber when you don't even watch them!

>> No.44203261

>>44200540
Bettel often talks in his prechat so maybe it was that

>> No.44203380

If Gura wanted gameshow host as a guest, she could asks Shuba instead of peko, no offence to the usagi, unless this is a management choice because numbers.

>> No.44203420

>>44201912
Not op but I just want to hear what he sounds like normally
He doesn’t ever sound relaxed or natural and I don’t mind him in collabs

>> No.44203426

>>44202846
Holy shit why do you take it so personal when someone disagrees with you, people can have different opinions. Flayon won't fuck your girlfriend, you don't need to cry when someone doesn't like him like you do.

>> No.44204259

>>44203420
>Not op but I just want to hear what he sounds like normally
Well since you're curious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdqzXHx8bbA

>> No.44204261
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Poor Spandex lad. He shot for the stars only to have the Stars shoot in him.

>> No.44204825

>>44202383
>Who gave you the authority on how he should sound like?
I did. The voice doesn't fit the model. Deal with it faggot.

>> No.44205180

>>44204259
lmfao what that squish toy. i thought that title meant that he sounded like a squish toy normally.

>> No.44205349

>>44203426
>Holy shit why do you take it so personal when someone disagrees with you
What are you even talking about? I'm only giving an honest answer. If you're that insecure with being confronted, then I don't think this site is for you.

>> No.44208067

>>44186602
Try watching good indies.

>> No.44208280

I see the sisters found the thread kek

>> No.44208966

>>44185493
corpos get a nice monthly check and merch cut for the min amount of efforr wdym, you'd only stay indie for creative freedom if you dont care about money

>> No.44209508

>>44203420
his pl still sounds like a twink and dub-like but lower and more natural
i actually prefer it

>> No.44211055

>>44185493
he gets better numbers than Prism and half of phase connect. Idol also goes below this on bad days. He would be a low 2 view as an indie.

>> No.44213246

>>44185493
I hate his faggot voice so much. It sound so artificial to me

>> No.44214815

>>44185493
Tried to give this dude a chance a couple of times. He is actually very mature and self aware when he is not acting as "cute" shota autist, like talks about his experiences and mental health. I find the contrast between real him and his acting very creepy.

>> No.44215211

>>44202462
Please don't slander my wife Lui

>> No.44218815

sugoi

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