Influence

[Anonymous No.]

Is this anon right or wrong?

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>>43969050
Perfectly summarized why I hate western vtubers so yes.

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>>43969050
If you put it that way, he's right.

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>>43969050
I thought VR chat streamers have been a thing before VeiBae

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>>43969050
change the colors this looks ugly as fuck

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>>43969050
Nah, Kaguya Luna wasn't all that influential in the greater scheme of things.

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>>43969050
Probably mostly right, but your theme is too fucking ugly.

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>>43969050
No. Gura hasn't done anything noteworthy.

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>>43969050
Vei ruined everything, yes

[Anonymous No.]

>veibae
rumao

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>>43969050
If it wasn't her it would have been someone else. There was no shortage of random thot streamers lining up to be vtubers after the 2020 boom, she just hit big first.

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>>43969050
>She also pulled an audience that would never be into vtubers into the market all by herself
Dude just admitted that this bitch opened the gate that we tried to keep closed and acts like that's something to be proud of.

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unironically yes
you keep hearing about /lig/gers that started as veibae copycats or have veibae as their oshi like onigir, numi or shylily
since she's always sitting at the top of the vtuber category on twitch when she's streaming she's many viewers and aspiring chuubas' first exposure to vtubing

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>>43969415
Influential doesn't mean "good" Hitler and Stalin were some of the most influential people in the last century.

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>>43969415
retard

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>she showed you could be an aging whore who could no longer hack it with the titty streamers and just take that twitch bullshit and slap an anime girl on it and zoomers would eat that shit up
>SHE'S A FUCKING ICON
These people really need to leave.

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>>43969050
Yes. And you can tell by a single look at any vtuber avatar if they were influenced by Niji/Holo or by Veibei/Vshojo.

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>>43970345
they were pretty good tho

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>>43969050
Gura has yet to do something influential.
She has the most subscribers but that's not something you "do". Is a reward for your content. She's very charismatic but again that is not something you really "do". She is not a great gamer and hasn't had many stage performances. So, I don't get in what part she is influential. She's just a subs magnet not a game-changer like, arguably, the rest.

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>>43969050
>single-handedly
the only twitch thot in his ranking, no.

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>>43970584
seething 2view post

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>>43969050
nah gura isn't 5

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>>43969050
What the hell does influence even mean if it somehow includes Gura? Did she somehow invent numberfagging?

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>>43970565
MLK was also influential. So there's plenty of bad.

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>>43969050
no lol

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>>43969403
this, it's like thinking if one lemming didn't first jump off the cliff nobody would have followed it as a herd. some other one would have gone instead. also yes I know that's a myth but just a convenient analogy.

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>>43970992
fair enough

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lol no
plenty of vtubers were whoring themselves out way before Vei
she didn't really influence the western market that much, she's just the lowest common denominator every female entertainer falls towards when they struggle to reach success by other means

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>>43969050
>Without the weebshit
>Without the Idol larp.
Anon, in Japan there are tons of vtubers which dod not follow the same path as Hololive, yet I wouldn´t call them normies, as they into weebshit as well. How the fuck we don´t have a western equivalent of that in EN speaks more of how shitty western vtubing is.

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>>43969050
did a woman write that list?

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>>43971881
Worse, an anon

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>luna
>vei
>gura
>top 5 most influential
what the fuck am i reading

[Anonymous No.]

There are 6 korean vtubers that have more viewers than any of the whorejos yet and they did more of a impact on vtubing than veibae
Kill yourself

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>>43969050
Ultimate westoid female apologist syndrome. This is why vtubing is going straight to shit. The JP girls are holding down the fort. None of that vShojo crap with the mouse or HoloEN, NijiEN etc... None of that shit is the same genre

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>>43972169
>westoid
go back to /jp/, dogfucker

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>>43969050
She's the indie Twitch meta for VTubing, which makes her shit just like Amouranth. There are plenty of Japanese VTubers that are sluttier than her, the difference is they aren't mainstream like in the west.

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Gura isn't even the most influencal Holo. In fact, she wouldn't even be among the top 5 influencal Holos.

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>>43969050
>goombas big dick subcount = influence
ogey
inb4 seething 2view

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>>43972000
You'd have to be the newest of all newfags to not know about the Luna effect.

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>>43972108
they're so influential they've never had a single thread made about them on the vtuber board

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>thread clearly set up to seethe about vei
>everyone is seething about gura instead
damn, vei has truly reclined

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>>43969050
Where's Oda Nobuhime? She should be #2 on this list.

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>>43972650

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>>43969050
mori is more influential than gura

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>>43972650
like most pioneers of new genres vei is far from the best example of what she's created. for everything she's good at there are others that are better, for each of her faults there are those without them

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>>43972650
As if I'm going to care about some twitch whore.

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>>43972169
He never said it was a positive influence. Some EN whores had a big negative influence on vtubing as a whole, unfortunately. I'm just glad the impact it had on the JP side of things has been minimal or non existent.

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I had finally managed to put Kaguya Luna behind me, Anon. How could you do this to me?

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>>43972396
or maybe no one ever explains it to other people and he never got the chance to learn about it, I've been here for over 2 years and never learned about the Luna effect

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>>43969050
no Coco, so wrong.

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>>43969050
Anon forgot another influential vtuber.

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Gura literally did fuck all except get a lot of subs
No one changed their content to be more like Gura because there's nothing noteworthy about her content other than her receiving a god-tier loli model

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>>43975079
if that's the case, why has there been a new "gura killer" almost every month since she debuted?

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>>43974325
Whatever happened to lurking more before posting? You're supposed to do your own damn research instead of expecting others to spoonfeed you.

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>>43969050
He's right

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>>43975079
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsHXsoAt4sY

i have watched gura time to time. i have never watched veibae.

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>>43969050
I agree with him and i absolutely despise this fact. The full reason why western vtubing is a dumpster of e-thots and normies.

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>>43969050
>>43969050
>1. Kizuna Ai
>2. Gawr Gura (Hololive)
Anons talk as if 4.28 million subscribers is not a feat worth considering. Let's just agree that she was the gateway to vtubing for the west, which caused many to join after. Converted many English clip watchers to stream watchers; as many JP now watches clips of Gura. But it's wrong to say it was just Gura. Hololive as a whole grew incredibly to domination, with Gura leading the charge. Gura's mindchair is so vast that she is still growing strong, even without streaming. Everyone knows the shork, unlike others in that list. From Ironmouse using the 'Ban Pants' soundbite meme, to Neurosama saying that Forsen is Gura. Looking forward to Ambassador Gura's 5 million stream celebration.

Reminder of Gura's greatness:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhkLY7ZZsNI

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>>43975079
no shit retard that's exactly what's so influential

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>>43969050
Veibae is a tragic case, where every single one of the copycat Veibae's are better at being Veibae than Veibae is

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>>43969050
yes, veibae corrupted my oshi too, she is lilith

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pretty sure the melody cam girl and the miko girl started it all on twitch. then it's actually non-vt male streamers who pushed the thing further (mizkif, cdawg, roflgator, ...). also, vr chat.

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>>43969050
Projekt Melody is also a pretty important vtuber in this regard; the thotgeddon she started on chartubate pulled a lot of eyes to western vtubing too.

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>>43969050
Would take out Veibae and replace her with someone with actual influence. Specifically, Hanser. Introduced her own fanbase into vtubing, some gacha folk into vtubing, a lot Chinese into vtubing. Very influential figure and carried a corp.

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>>43973396
In fact, EN vtubing probably pulled away a lot of the EOP and normies from the JP's fanbase. For that I am thankful.

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>>43969220
>I thought VR chat streamers have been a thing before VeiBae
Yes, and for example, Zentreya was there.

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>>43969050
Gura streamed when the lockdowns were on and people had to watch youtube out of boredom, she was just kid friendly + an anime girl doing wacky things was new in the west
It's like a one hit wonder from the 80s

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>>43977076
>people had to watch youtube out of boredom
no

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>>43970584
Can you name an iconic Veibae stream? She doesn't do anything, either. There are plenty of Gura copycats, too, idiot.

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>>43977076
Then explain why she is still growing strong after two and a half years? One hit wonder, lol.
Even when she wasn't streaming, people are still watching her VODs and gaining thousand's of subscribers.

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>>43973183
>chumpedo
>consuming content that his oshi hasn't approved
clockwork

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>>43976417
No shit nigger. Vei doesn't do YT streams.

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Who the fuck is Tsukino Mito

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>>43969050
Vei caters to a retarded subsample of an already retarded population (twitch and vtuber viewers)

So yeah, I guess she should be commended for wrangling retards

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>>43977461
i watch more twitch content than anything. I watch mostly Filian and my man Hasan.

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>>43969050
>She showed everyone that you can be a vtuber without even being into weebshit or singing and dancing and pretending to be pure like an idol
But that's a bad thing.

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>>43969050
I hate it, but with the amount of western whore sluts that try to imitate her voice, he's not wrong.

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>>43969050
Nope.
She's not a Virtual Youtuber.

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>>43969050
>Constant recline.
>Falling under 7k median.
>Fanbase 100% composed by unironically cvcks, coomers and twitter trannies.
>About to lose the twitter trannies due to Silvervale and Froot.
>Terrified of playing Hogwarts Legacy even though the corpo she is part of sells her as "Talent Freedom". While Hololive and Nijisanji played it with ZERO drama.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
No, the anon is wrong.

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>>43976352
You realise that lurking and doing research aren't the same thing? Lurking literally is just waiting for people to talk about shit

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>>43969050
Vei is up there but but not top 5, top 10-15 for sure

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Mito defined the current meta of live vtubing but you probably need to pick one of Miko (saying nigga and starting clipfaggotry), Korone (EOP queen) or Coco for really spreading the craze to the west. HMs to Fubuki and Matsuri but we're talking about casuals here, not the first wave of EOP adoption
Veibae started leeching vtubers during that with the tracksuit model, she was a 2view fleshstreamer before that

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Now you're shitting the catalog because /lig/ and /#/ won't accept you.

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>>43969050
Everyone has a part of history they dislike or despise but it doesn't refute that it happened and its significance. OP image is true even if you dislike the changes it has wrought.

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>>43982435
There is a fine line between "influential" or just being infamous.

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>>43969050
western vtubers should use western cartoon style for their avatar if they shun everything japanese

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>>43970584
Mori is honestly more influential to indies

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>>43969050
>tw*ch
Nope.