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43252333 No.43252333 [Reply] [Original]

Hololive going public on the Stock Exchange, IPO on March 27th.
https://www.twitter.com/cover_corp/status/1626479300424921088
https://www.twitter.com/tanigox/status/1626481058853306368

>> No.43252407

oh really? not like there's like 5 threads about it already, go back, faggot

>> No.43252442

Give it a couple more months and it will be indistinguishable from nijisanji

>> No.43252451

It's unironically over for Cover. But hey, at least we could potentially be the de facto managers if we get our way.

>> No.43252477

>>43251358
tl;dr its not a series b or whatever the fuck that can only happen when a company is private.
It's an actual public listing and IPO.

>> No.43252541

Wonder if there are still anons that will cry that it isn't IPO, it's just series b
/here/ is literally the only place in this world right now that still have someone denying it

>> No.43252545

they are going to push more loli + sexual stuff, they are going to have less game permitions and are going to be obligated to do a lot of stuff they don't want, massive graduations will happen in 2023/24

>> No.43252632

>>43252333
Some talents will graduate by not renewing contract.

>> No.43252727

>>43252407
/vt/ makes many more threads for irrelevant pseudo-yabs a regular basis, this is actually big news, so stfu

>> No.43252745

>>43252333
>>43252632
Alright stockbros, are your puts ready to go?

>> No.43252810

>>43252745
All in.

>> No.43252833

>>43252745
All in baby

>> No.43252861

>>43252333
they aren't going public they are releasing a limited number of shares

>> No.43252876

>>43252333
>vtuber shows skin
>stock drops by 5%
>vtuber has a male voice in background
>stock drops by 10%
yeah im not messing with that shit lmao

>> No.43252919

>>43252861
That's still going public and a precursor to going full number of shares. Not to mention 25% is enough for potentially 2nd largest stakeholder in Cover

>> No.43252933

>>43252333
I hope this means all the retards screaming cover is over actually fuck off for good.

>> No.43252958

>>43252933
This literally means they are over, idiot.

>> No.43252970

>>43252933
It is over. We're the managers now. This means we get to decide Cover's fate and we have a lot of people who aren't smart enough.

>> No.43253036

>>43252958
they're pushing the faggots hard but they dont realize they're alienating their core audience

>> No.43253076

>>43252958
Please, jump off the sinking ship before it's over.

>> No.43253120

Not enough interest to actually make a change, as of now anyway. Cover is just trying to gain more ground.nothing new though

>> No.43253196

>>43252919
Only 1% going public, the other will be exchange between other corps.

>> No.43253232

>>43253196
23% going public

>> No.43253258

>>43252333
Public corporations are fucking evil. It's over. I hope my Oshi graduates.

>> No.43253267

>>43253120
4 confirmed graduations sound like no change?

>> No.43253284

>>43253076
I will be here until I can get enough Cover's stock to force them to let me have sex with Fauna

>> No.43253296

>>43252970
I hear a lot of "we" from the same forum that always complains about not having money and wanting to watch shit for free xD

>> No.43253314

>>43253267
Sure doesn’t

>> No.43253336

this means nothing for the holos with big numbers but the others are in danger, holostars is probably over, id is probably over and many other changes

>> No.43253356

>>43252477
No it's not

>> No.43253369

>>43253314
What about losing money almost every day and striking out on all of what they have planned? Guess what. Even more graduations!

>> No.43253409

>>43253356
Yes it is. Read the fucking post.
>>43253336
I'm unironically expecting 10-20 graduations by year's end. We're going to see a very different Hololive by 2024.

>> No.43253466

>>43252333
SO MUCH FOR CARING ABOUT THEIR TALENTS

>> No.43253476

>>43253369
>>43253267
Which alternate universe Cover / Hololive are you guys talking about? Sounds interesting

>> No.43253484

>>43253267
>4 confirmed graduations

>> No.43253552

>>43253484
>>/vt/thread/S42688603
>>43253476
Reality. This is exactly what happened to Nijisanji last year. ID/KR were dissolved, 5 graduations, one of them being their pillars in Mayuzumi. Hololive is doomed to the same fate.

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>>43253552

>> No.43253646

i don't know why everyone is worried, i only watch EN and this only means they are going to have to stream, specially gura, no more 1 stream every 2 months, bitch is going to have to put in work

>> No.43253711

>>43253646
It means that 25% of the stakeholders will force a new company ethos onto Hololive since they call all the shots now.

>> No.43253761

>>43253646
Well a bit of fear is justified because every time a company goes public people that don't give a shit about the sector or what they do can influence the company in a shitty direction. But that's it really, if it's just 25% even after 180 days then they'll just be a minority regardless.

>> No.43253777

>>43253646
I want them to be happy nigger

>> No.43253787

>>43253646
Yeah I'm sure the streams will be so fun when they stream against their will.

>> No.43253888

>>43253761
When stakeholders sell their shares outside that 25% you're only going to get more and more outsiders, Chinks, Koreans, Saudis, Americans, you name it. The Japanese don't care about Hololive.

>> No.43253948

is this what kiara is doomposting about

>> No.43253987

>>43253948
Yes but there's layers to it too. It's what the consequences that come with this are.

>> No.43254113

>>43253232
You can't do math
>Authorised shares: 230M
>Outstanding shares: 59M
>New shares: 1.5M
>Overallotment secondary shares: 1.8M
>Underwritten secondary shares: 11M
So for this IPO they're issuing up to 3.3M new shares, which represent 5.3% of the outstanding shares or 1.4% of the authorised shares.
They also explicitly stated this is to raise capital for a new studio.

>> No.43254179

>>43253646
You will get 6 Gura's Jump Knight like streams per week, happy?

>> No.43254220

>>43254113
Why the fuck will anyone think stock shares are the sheer value of the stock they sell?
It doesn't work like that, retarded

>> No.43254277

>>43254220
I said nothing about value? Those are all quantities of shares. This was all in the announcement that nobody here read

>> No.43254285

>>43254113
>>43246148 read this and then this >>43246557

>> No.43254287

this is one of the worst things that could've happened to the company but retarded zoomers are too myopic to understand anything besides MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY

>> No.43254302

>>43254113
The total offering stock is 1,500,000+10,927,400+1,864,100 = 14,291,500
And the total stock of Cover at that time will be 61,124,200
Which is 23.38%
But if you used the 発行可能株式総数 230,000,000 as a total, it's 5%
Also 発行可能株式総数 has nothing to do with anything. It's dictated by 定款 which is like articles of incorporation, and its just the amount of stock a company can sell off. This is also changeable with a quick 定款変更, and it's merely an upper limit that for the most part serves no purpose because most companies never reach anywhere near the upper limit, it's mostly a formality.

>> No.43254319

>>43253777
>>43253787
>>43254179
look at these yes men, i bet your boss is really happy when you miss days because you don't want to work, happy my ass, they have to do what their job is supposed to do which is streaming, if you think that's hard then you never worked a day in your life

>> No.43254345

>>43254285
>>43254302
That's why I listed both oustanding shares (where it's 5.3% new shares) and authorised (where it's 1.4%). You may notice neither of these numbers are 23%
The other 11M "underwritten secondary shares" are already held by private investors, they're not newly issued

>> No.43254367

>>43254319
See this is one of the good things about going public. We can be stakeholders who can directly have a say in company affairs with enough money. If it means the deadweights and whores leave then by all means.

>> No.43254369

>>43254319
You don't know a single thing about hard work or integrity

>> No.43254407

>>43254345
But your input is wrong. Read the posts you've replied to for the actual information

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>> No.43254532

>>43254319
retard

>> No.43254570

>>43254369
I've done manual labor my whole fucking life, kid.
Have YOU held a job in your life?

>> No.43254591

>>43254570
I install flooring for a living. Fuck off you greedy piece of shit. I bet your a hack.

>> No.43254611

>>43254407
I rounded some numbers slightly in a way that changed the final value from 5.4% sold as new shares to 5.3%, this hardly seems like a big deal but ogey
The post you keep pointing at is counting underwritten shares as them selling part of the company, which is retarded, as those are already held by private investors

>> No.43254638

>>43254591
And I work in construction. Maybe next time hold undisciplined millennials and zoomers accountable and have them get real jobs.

>> No.43254685

>>43254611
Refer to the original post for the actual information you braindead retard holy fucking shit dude

>> No.43254813

>>43254638
Pfft. You really don't know anything. Go roleplay with your retard buddies. Bet you got a construction job because your too dumb for anything else. Bet you smoke weed and don't wear your hard hat either.

>> No.43254820

so what are the chances of this going the same way like Anycolor's stocks?

>> No.43254828

>>43253948
No, that was her outfit not being designed by huke

>> No.43254862

>>43254820
Very high
>>43254813
I got a kid fired for smoking weed you fairy faggot

>> No.43254907

>>43254685
I will explain it as simply as possible
>Your company has 600 shares
>You sell 110 to guy A. This is ~18%
>Later, you sell 34 to guy B. This is ~5.6%
>If guy A sells his 110 to someone else at the same time, this means nothing to you, as you already didn't own them, and you still only own ~5.6% less of the company than before

>> No.43254914

>>43254862
You don't deserve respect and you never will. Go pretend your the Lord of hard work all you want. All you are is a selfish egotistical bitter asshole. You will die with nothing. Bye

>> No.43254948

>>43254907
I'll post it again.
The total offering stock is 1,500,000+10,927,400+1,864,100 = 14,291,500
And the total stock of Cover at that time will be 61,124,200
Which is 23.38%
But if you used the 発行可能株式総数 230,000,000 as a total, it's 5%
Also 発行可能株式総数 has nothing to do with anything. It's dictated by 定款 which is like articles of incorporation, and its just the amount of stock a company can sell off. This is also changeable with a quick 定款変更, and it's merely an upper limit that for the most part serves no purpose because most companies never reach anywhere near the upper limit, it's mostly a formality.

>> No.43255001

>>43254948
I'm going to give up on this argument now since you literally cannot read or do math, sorry anon

>> No.43255009

>>43254914
That's what a work environment is like before you fairy faggots made everything into a damn safe space. We ought to put you in a field with the other sissies like (You). 12 hours a day with 1 30 minute break. That's real work.

>> No.43255050

>>43255001
Because you keep the wrong numbers. Literally read the fucking post you faggot.

>> No.43255112

>>43254914
>>43255009
get a room

>> No.43255137

>>43255050
NTA but I think that anon is trying to say the public offering part is the "real" part that cover sold for money, while the others are just stockholders cashing out.
Which is true. The company only gets the money by selling the IPO part of stock

>> No.43255624

>>43255137
This is exactly it, they already sold the 11M underwritten shares in the IPO previously during Series A. Them being sold again to someone else has zero impact on Cover, it's just happening now because them being listed on an exchange makes it a lot more convenient than trying to arrange a private sale

>> No.43255843

Abayo hololive you had a good run

>> No.43255897

IPO is always the beginning of the slow decline, when a company focus changes from pleasing costumers(fans in this case) and employees to pleasing shareholders. Although the effects of this change will not be immediately felt,

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>>43255897
>costumers

>> No.43256215

How much of the company does Yagoo personally own? A majority? Less?

>> No.43256305

>>43256215
38%. The other big internal shareholder is their CTO with 5%. Most of the rest is a mix of Japanese VC funds and banks.

>> No.43256346

>>43256305
I see.

>> No.43256431

>>43256215
Probably majority (>50%), but definitely way more than what they're currently offering (25%). No takeover's gonna happen anytime despite what these doomsayers are saying.

>> No.43256682

>>43256431
But if enough existing shareholders decide to cash out, different story right? At least in theory?

>> No.43257557

>>43254345
So its 1,4% cashout for stock investors, and 5,3% for attempting to gain more capital?
Not bad.

>> No.43257894

Can I buy Cover shares and use the dividends to superchat my oshi?

>> No.43259032

>>43257557
No, it's 5.3% of the outstanding shares to raise capital for a new studio, and 18.6% of the outstanding shares held by series A investors cashing out
A lot of their early investors are small VCs and business development funds that would typically cash out at the earliest opportunity

>> No.43259549

Nijisanji moves, Hololive follows.

>> No.43261617

>>43259549
Second mover often does better.

>> No.43261738

>>43255897
Based /biz/ retard imparting his soup-brained knowledge

>> No.43262919

>>43255897
Not immediately, but they can start happening quickly after the new investors get their bearings. Can't wait for investors to watch streams and complain about what they don't like. Only possible upside: this holostars thing isn't profitable, it's time to end this project.

>> No.43263604

>>43262919
At least 58% of Cover will still be owned by its first three employees after this sale, as confirmed by the listing documents, so they retain complete control of the company

>> No.43264182

holy fucking retards. There are 230m shares in total of Cover, of which 60m were picked to be listed on the stocks, of which 10m are going to be avaialable to be traded (most owned by old investors), of which 1m is Cover selling new parts of their own shares to raise $10m to fund half of their new studios.
So, even if His Royal Highness Prince Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud bought 100% of those 60m shares listed on the stocks, he'd still only own 26% of Cover, because Cover has the rest of the shares sitting on their fridge, away from the stocks.

>> No.43264379

>>43252876
it's time to axe holostars if they're going public, that's basically their only loose thread that causes bad publicity and would affect stock price, beyond that hololive is an advertisers dream

>> No.43264740

>>43252333
So much coping over this. This is going to end up being bad for fans.

>> No.43264769

What's the advantage of going public?

>> No.43264788

>>43264769
Money

>> No.43264790

>>43264740
it worked out well for nijisanji

>> No.43264842

>>43264769
New yacht for Yagoo
Some holos might actually be forced to stream

>> No.43264845

>>43264790
lol...

>> No.43264929

>>43252876
>buy allot stock when drop and wait for new gen to sell

I hope they pay dividend

>> No.43265000

>>43264182
Almost all of these numbers are wrong anon
>They're allowed to issue 230M shares
>They actually have 59M
>11M of those will be sold by their earlier private investors, which makes Cover no money
>They are creating up to 3.4M new shares to sell, which is how they're funding their new studio
So the sale will include 23% of the company, but Cover already doesn't own most of that. For comparison their first 3 employees own 58% of the company.

>> No.43265058

>>43264769
Nothing. It's endless graduation after graduation and branches being dissolved. That and a noticeable decline in quality
>>43264790
I'm an ex-NijiJP fan and lost one of my oshis to graduation because of the stakeholders getting too involved. I can tell you right now we're a failure of an agency thanks to this. You're doomed to repeat the same mistakes, Holobros.

>> No.43265134

>>43265000
are you pretending to be retarded?

>> No.43265153

>>43253552
Ah yes, the Holo insider who said 2 EN girls where graduating in spring and then fucking HoloEN connect concert announcement comes out saying they will be there IN SUMMER. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ID and KR were literal shit in Niji, HoloID is doing pretty good for indog standards, no reason to graduate any, keep seething Nijisis.

>> No.43265182

>>43265134
Which part specifically do you believe to be wrong? Most companies never actually issue all of their authorised shares so measuring anything as a fraction of the 230M in their charter is useless.

>> No.43265366

I don't even see why people so get alerted by these, just shows how most EOP people already doom posting meanwhile JP comments are more on the positive side KEKW

>> No.43265404

>>43265366
5ch is doomposting even harder than here

>> No.43265459

>>43265404
Proof next thread nijinigger?

>> No.43265470

>>43265404
That's weird, you'd think being Japanese they'd be able to read the huge amount of public documentation explaining exactly what's being sold, what they plan to use the money for, and that Cover's staff will retain majority control of the company by a comfortable margin

>> No.43265551

>>43265470
Not if they cash out after, which is exactly what they're speculating.

>> No.43265627

>>43265182
Anon, you and him are basically saying the same thing, just in over-under numbers.

>> No.43265632

>>43265551
I see no reason to speculate that besides wanting to doompost. All of their senior staff seem totally on board with the company long term and they're heavily focused on growth

>> No.43265636

>>43253267
4?
I didn't know there's a graduation notice alreayd

>> No.43265671

>>43265182
>reason a company might not want to issue all of its authorized shares is to maintain a controlling interest in the company and prevent the possibility of a hostile takeover.
they own all the 230m authorized shares, and they might choose to only issue a part of them on the stocks (in their case, 61m) exactly because they want to still keep the majority. Meaning, again, even if you buy out all their shares avaible on the stocks, you still won't own the majority of the company and control them. You seem to be mistaking different shit here. The sale is not 23% of the company, that is 23% of the shares issued in the stocks being avaible to be traded. But they own more shares beyond what is on the stocks, in their case. Other companies may or may not have done so as well, on a case by case basis.

>> No.43265796

>>43259549
It's been that way for a long time.
Hololive imitated Nigisanji, and because it is a late starter, it is doing well.
However, I am not sure if the talent will be able to enjoy streaming as much as they have in the past, as there will always be opinions from shareholders in the future.
In particular, members who have been skipping streaming will have quotas imposed on them by the company if shareholders complain.

>> No.43265856

>>43265671
If someone else already owns a majority of the outstanding shares, you can't just decide to give yourself another 100M shares to take control away from them again, so if you're talking about control of the company the portion of the outstanding shares being sold would be what's important

>> No.43265924

>>43265796
>who have been skipping streaming will have quotas imposed on them by the company
retard

>> No.43265980

>>43265796
>muh streams

>> No.43266054

>>43265796
Hololive predates Nijisanji by 6 months and was always focused on streaming, the one thing Nijisanji popularised was the use of Live2D with a phone instead of 3D motion capture
And again, the ownership of the company will barely change, Yagoo and friends will be going from owning 57.8% of the company to 57.0%

>> No.43266225

>>43265796
Anon, unless the shareholders own a controlling stake in the company (and a total 25% spread across the investors does not), no one's going to be dictating anything to Yagoo anytime soon.

>> No.43266233

>>43265632
People wanting to move on after 5 years is pretty normal

>> No.43266389

>>43266233
Anon the three employees in question are:
>Yagoo (38.2% plus another 5.5% via a company he owns)
>Cover's CTO (5%)
>Someone who was around back when they shot that ancient HTC promo video who I'm prettty sure is A-chan (9.1%)
I don't really see any of those people leaving in the current climate

>> No.43266893

>>43266389
>Cover's CTO (5%)
Don't see why that guy wouldn't, even if he is good friends with Yagoo.
Enough money to just fuck off and do whatever else, plus Cover's tech comlany status is basically a leftover at this point.
Early hires cash out and go somewhere else all the time.

>> No.43267430

This is what happens when sea and esl retards who don't understand math or finance try to pretend they understand math or finance. They just want everything to burn so they will try to continue to push their narrative, which is wrong, that cover are going public.

>> No.43267554

>>43267430
Cover is going public. That's a given. How bad the extent of this will be? Remains to be seen.

>> No.43267740

>>43267554
No they aren't. Its the TSE equivalent of a series B stock, not truly public

>> No.43267851

>>43267740
I don't know who to believe anymore man.

>> No.43267983

>>43267851
I think they're going public.

>> No.43268015

>>43267983
I think you're a retard who doesn't know what he's talking about

>> No.43268228

>>43268015
23% is apparently enough for an IPO. Stands to reason that if this was about money, they wouldn't be bothering with all this.

>> No.43268238

>>43268015
Well they are since they're listed on the TSE

>> No.43268255

I can't wait for western investors to demand more african tranny idols.

>> No.43268319

>>43268238
Then go ahead and try to buy some, I'll wait

>> No.43268441

>>43268319
Give me a time machine so I can go to March 27 then, you fucking retard.

>> No.43268540

Fuck, my broker doesn't let me buy from Tokyo exchange. It's fuckin over.

>> No.43268798

>>43268441
I said I could wait

>> No.43269027

My guess is that they're going IPO to let the chinks investors cash out and leave their company for good, and also to get more funds for Yagoo's under-development game that no one asks.

>> No.43269160

>>43269027
Yeah Cover has recently tried very hard to get away from China
Except you know the opposite

>> No.43269410

>>43252745
long the stock
short the put nibba
*rapes and kills you*

>> No.43269487

>>43269160
They can't refuse their bids on public stock retard. Thats what IPO is.

>> No.43270186

Time to bail out, I suppose. What's a good small corpo / indie vtuber to watch?

>> No.43270223

>>43270186
why would you bail out?

>> No.43270684

>>43269027
They don't have any chink investors anon
Their only notable non-JP investor is HTC, who are Taiwanese, and who are not selling their shares anyway

>> No.43271209

>>43270684
Upon hearing this news?
I'd cash out right the fuck now

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If they had to sell some shares to fund this massive fucking new studio then it had to be done, There is no WAY Holo could increase more members with 1 studio sharing between Holosta, Not to mention the current studio is 800 square meters and the new one will be 4,300 square meters.

Hopefully we'll be able to have more lives, more variety 3D lives and more chancess for more than 5 people to appear on a live at the same time.

>> No.43272660

>>43252545
>more loli
>it's over
Absolutely clueless

>> No.43272665

>>43271701
Vtubing is a niche demographic for turbo retards. The adhesion ceiling has already been hit and cannibalized by nijisisters. Nothing will improve and they will file for bankruptcy one year from now when they are unable to justify the studio costs.

>> No.43272742

>>43270223
This is extensively terrible news.

>> No.43274334

>>43269487
I know
What I meant was that Cover has recently cozied up to the chinese again anyway so they won't exactly mind selling to them

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