What went wrong? How come they didn't explode like Holo EN did?

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Anonymous Fri May 28 22:22:10 2021 No.4319508 [Reply] [Original]

What went wrong? How come they didn't explode like Holo EN did?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:22:50 2021 No.4319534 Guratard stealing and the views

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:23:11 2021 No.4319554 HoloEN = has cunny NijiEN = no cunny The math doesn't lie

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:23:14 2021 No.4319556 They're not as cute nor as talented

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:23:14 2021 No.4319557 >>4319508 They don't have a Kiara to make all the other content seem better.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:24:08 2021 No.4319593 Because Hololive is more well known. Any new Holos that join will easily hit 100k on debut and 300k shortly after thanks to the company name

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:24:28 2021 No.4319607 >>4319508 >>4319534 >>4319554 >>4319556 >>4319557 They're not competing, you retards. They found their niche and are doing fine.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:24:46 2021 No.4319622 >>4319607 cope

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:27:09 2021 No.4319725 >>4319607 Shut up shrimptard

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:27:13 2021 No.4319728 >>4319607 Anon you're inhaling a dangerous amount of copium

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:27:36 2021 No.4319748 File: 1.75 MB, 1231x1080, image.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4319607 >he thinks Ichikara and Cover aren't competitors

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:27:56 2021 No.4319764 Bad debut time plus Nijisanji seeming like store brand coke compared to Hololive's coca-cola in the west.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:28:23 2021 No.4319784 >>4319607 Ogey

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:30:44 2021 No.4319895 >>4319764 Do you think Hololive was already popular overseas before EN debuted?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:31:20 2021 No.4319941 Their growth is similar to holo gen 4, so they're doing fine.

Anonymous Fri May 28 22:31:32 2021 No.4319951

>>4319508
- niji entered the EN market way later
- theyre playing catch up with holoen & vshojo
- scheduling doesnt help since it coincides with big folks like gura & ame

unless either holoen or vshojo makes a massive mistake that would force fans to hop to the nijiEN train, theyll probably stay third fiddle for now

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:32:01 2021 No.4319969 fish fucked up her debut and barely even streamed before and I have no idea how she even got in. Pomu is quality though

Anonymous Fri May 28 22:34:34 2021 No.4320069

>>4319895
Not him but unironically yes. They had a foothold in the market and had previously tested the waters with HoloID and HoloCN. For a company with any amount of intelligence surprising for Cover, but still, it was only a matter of time before they sought to expand to a dedicated EN branch.

Anonymous Fri May 28 22:34:56 2021 No.4320087

>>4319895
Very, 3rd gen brought in a lot of kaigai niki but the real bloom was the addition of 4th gen with Kiryu Coco. After that Haato doing more English streams along side Coco already speaking English. The even more renewed intrest after these events cause YAGOO to even consider EN and the rest is history.

Anonymous Fri May 28 22:34:57 2021 No.4320088

>>4319895
Obviously. Hololive is synonymous with vtubing in the west for the majority of people even before HoloEN was a twinkle in Cover's eye. Nijisanji never had a chance to compete directly, the only thing to gain here is moderate success but not company changing success.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:35:35 2021 No.4320105 Watching Pomu's stream right now and it's pretty kino, holofriends should check it out

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:37:16 2021 No.4320155 >>4320105 Hate holoEN. All trash. Western vtubing is trash by extension, I don't have to watch nijiEN to know I won't like it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:38:37 2021 No.4320202 >>4320155 ogey

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:38:54 2021 No.4320210 >>4320155 You will never be Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:39:42 2021 No.4320239 >>4320155 (you)

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:41:04 2021 No.4320296 >>4320155 あなたは日本人になることはありません

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:41:26 2021 No.4320309 >>4319508 They all have kind of a shy, girl-next-door personality. It's not bad or anything, but it's hard to find clipable moments that will go viral.

Anonymous Fri May 28 22:42:03 2021 No.4320347

>>4319895
I'd argue Niji and Shizuka Rin had the headstart in the West, thanks to Pewdiepie but they did nothing with it

Saying that "Hololive is only lucky they got a headstart in the west" is revionist - Nijisanji had the headstart, they had the chance to try untested waters, but they didn't

They only tried to make an EN branch once Cover blew away all expectations

Anonymous Fri May 28 22:43:24 2021 No.4320401

>>4319556
Their designs are fine. But you have hit the nail on the head in that they're not exceptionally talented. Each of the HoloEN members have some exceptional talent that's not standard streamer fare with maybe the exception of Ame, but Ame is really knowledgeable in the technology behind being a streamer and utilizes that strength in a way you don't really see from most normal streamers.

NijiEN on the other hand is just three vtuber streamers who don't stick out in any way. So they haven't really brought anything unique to the vtubing experience. Pomu fits the nerdy niche, Finana the artist, and Elira the singer, but they're just good, not exceptional.

That being said, they don't need to be doing HoloEN numbers and seem to be doing well enough. And despite not feeling like I had any time to watch more vtubers, Elira's streams have been comfy enough that I tune in from time to time. She's like a peppier Ina if I were to compare her to a million subs vtuber.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:44:13 2021 No.4320435 >>4319508 Fuck off with the bait.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:44:25 2021 No.4320445 >>4319895 Newfags pretending to know the state of hololive and vtube pre EN should be gassed.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:45:43 2021 No.4320504 Biggest Factor >Hololive was the top VTuber group in english communities prior to EN release. Second Biggest Factor >Hololive hired people that were a lot more experienced Third Biggest Factor adding to previous point >Gura

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:45:51 2021 No.4320513 >>4320401 What is Kiara's exceptional talent? What is Mori's exceptional talent?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:46:39 2021 No.4320542 >>4319508 I think opting to play Apex as their main content so early where they're still establishing their fanbase might hurt them in the long run. Nijisanji really needs to get a Mito instead of another Apex player.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:48:12 2021 No.4320589 >>4320347 Ichikara shortsightedness paid its toll

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:48:16 2021 No.4320591 >>4319508 >How come they didn't explode like Holo EN did? I think that one girl already exploded in the bathtub!

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:49:21 2021 No.4320646 >>4320513 This has to be bait.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:49:53 2021 No.4320677 >>4319554 ryugu is shorter than gura

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 22:52:32 2021 No.4320791 >>4320347 I don't blame her for not wanting Pewdiepie fans in her chat.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 23:02:27 2021 No.4321105 >>4320504 Isn't Finana supposed to compete with Gura?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 23:17:07 2021 No.4321802 >>4319508 Too late, the market is already oversaturated

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 23:17:26 2021 No.4321812 >>4319508 Entered the market way too late. When Coco exploded in subs, they should've decided it by then. Gotta keep an eye on your competitors once in a while.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 23:19:52 2021 No.4321904 >>4319508 not entertaining

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 23:20:20 2021 No.4321929 File: 337 KB, 749x601, smug gudako.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4319607 >They're not competing

Anonymous Fri May 28 23:27:06 2021 No.4322243

The trio were pretty much all Reine with variations. Reine that can speak well, Reine that is childish and the Reine that is an autistic. I realized this when they were playing Apex. Their personalities blended in like one person. They need atleast 1 retard. A Pekora-ish or maybe a Polka. I thought the fish would be that but her voice is even sleepier than the 2 combined. Pomu is the biggest energy but she's quite calm. It's like the combo between Toko, Lize and Ange. Ange is the comedian. This ain't bad necessarily. They just have to do more as a team to brigthen up the discussions.

Anonymous Fri May 28 23:29:14 2021 No.4322354

>>4320210
>>4320296
Do people seriously think people want to be Japanese in this day and age? Shit's better suited to the mid 2000s with the unironic wapanese fags. It isn't a fringe weirdo opinion to hold to consider western derivatives of Japanese shit to be worse, it holds with dubs, translations, Netflix adaptations, and so on; as it does for the vast majority of the wvt scene that misunderstands the appeal of vtubing. Look at the standout examples of the western scene in HoloEN and vwhores and tell me that they're the same.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 23:30:49 2021 No.4322431 >>4322354 Yes, just look at /jp/

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 23:32:01 2021 No.4322480 >>4319895 EN was a mistake.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 23:32:39 2021 No.4322511 >>4319607 >They found their niche >NijiEN >niche Imagine saying this when NijiJP exists.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 23:34:30 2021 No.4322591 >>4322431 Not wanting to have people ruin something with the stupid woke stuff of the west doesn't mean that people wants to be japanese.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 23:35:11 2021 No.4322617 >>4319556 >>4319554 >no cunny >They're not as cute blame their EN staff for picking those designs

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 23:36:02 2021 No.4322653 File: 559 KB, 640x480, 1616579567360.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4322243 Reine should've been Holo EN instead of Holo ID. Kiara should've never become part of hololive.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 23:40:42 2021 No.4322854 >>4319508 The reality is that they will have their fanbase and what else. For me it kinda rubs me the wrong way when Nijisanji tried to rebrand the India branch as an English one. Also Pomu is cute.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 23:43:09 2021 No.4322966 >>4322243 I had the same feeling, they're all literally the same person: a zoomer weeb memelord

Anonymous Fri May 28 23:44:41 2021 No.4323045

>>4319508
they never had a chance anon, and it seems that they didnt even try, they needed something better than or similar to Gura otherwise the EOPs would never abandon her meme queen, instead they went safe and picked ppl with previous vtuber experience and that sealed their fate, we already know what they have to offer u can like it or not either way it would have never be enough.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 23:49:27 2021 No.4323241 >>4319508 Theyll explode with wave 2. The next group is going to blow everyone away

Anonymous Fri May 28 23:51:01 2021 No.4323305

>>4323045
Imagine if they found an EN version of Fumino Tamaki or a Polka. That would have been hilarious. There's like a lot of streamers that are not vtubers per se that are genuinely funny. I wish they went with that route. HoloEN2 will most likely hire nonvtubers that are oblivious to the whole thing.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 23:52:18 2021 No.4323367 Dragon is cute and has an amazing laugh. Fairy has a higher power level than almost any fag here Fish is a dumb, teasing little minx They’re all good in their own ways. I’ve stopped watching Hololive.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 23:54:43 2021 No.4323466 Absolutely nothing. Niji had 0 EN presence, Holo had established with foreigners thanks to clippers, Coco's meme shit etc. They're all gonna hit 100k soon, they're doing fine.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 23:55:29 2021 No.4323502 >>4323241 I'm gonna screencap this so I can laugh when NijiIN2 inevitably flops

Anonymous Fri May 28 23:59:24 2021 No.4323684

>There are Holotards in this thread RIGHT NOW that dont know about the huge amount of Niji/Holo collabs when Holo was just getting started
>They don't know that some Holo girls still collab with Nji on a regular basis.

At least educate yourself, you absolute mongrels.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:01:49 2021 No.4323819 >>4323684 Didnt one of the holo girls collab with a Niji then ghost her after holo blew up?

Anonymous Sat May 29 00:02:36 2021 No.4323858

to anyone saying hololive and nijisanji are not competing, let me remind you that Pomu in one stream said "there are expectations on us" while talking briefly about numbers and needing to catch up to elira and finana, so yes they indeed are competing maybe not as obvious like changing stream times in order to not collide to holoEN but nijisanji sure had high expectations, they still got a good product this 3 while not having an exceptional skill are waaaaay more entertaining than holoEN

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:05:45 2021 No.4323978 >>4323858 Holofags think that you have to have 10K viewers every stream to be successful.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:06:14 2021 No.4323997 >>4323684 And?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:07:52 2021 No.4324054 >>4323978 i do hope this 3 avg 5k viewers constantly after a boom during 2021

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:08:41 2021 No.4324086 >>4320791 And Hololive will welcome them.

Anonymous Sat May 29 00:10:06 2021 No.4324154

>>4323858
What is entertaining to you is completely subjective. Numbers will say that the other girls are more entertaining. I honestly don't care because I know that the girls atleast are friendly to an extent with other vtubers even holos. The problem with this whole thing is that corporate vtubers are always pitted against each other. They should be given a chance to play with the other girls like the holoen because those 5 girls are struggling to talk to anyone that can speak english to them that cover will allow them to talk to. I can already see people calling them leeches if they even mention the 5 girls which is a shame because I can see they actually follow each other.

Anonymous Sat May 29 00:12:35 2021 No.4324255

Does anyone know much about who they were before they joined?

I just need to know if they're hololive rejects or former twitch streamers, from pomu and elira I get idol vibes as in they wanted to be part of hololive, dunno about the fish after the bathtub clip I was expecting shitposter energy and I got plenty of that already (even though at a glance seems I might be wrong about her reading the post here).

No, I don't need to know who exactly they were, just what they were doing before they became nijisanji, unless they're all new which isn't totally a bad thing, I don't care about the numbers, I just really want to know why they seem mostly seiso

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:12:43 2021 No.4324260 >>4323978 >Laughs in Anya >Chortles in Reine >Giggles in Iofi

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:14:17 2021 No.4324326 >>4323684 Yeah, Subaru helped Maimoto when his Niji friends ignore him. Educate yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:16:28 2021 No.4324398 File: 687 KB, 570x655, 1621891231618.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ignore tribal fags, post pomus

Anonymous Sat May 29 00:23:55 2021 No.4324712

>>4324255
Pomu was Mint. Mint said multiple times she preferred niji to hololive. She has a lot of people she likes in niji and would enjoy the freedom. She also stated she wouldnt play games like gta because shes seiso. I dont know if she had a life before Mint.
I highly doubt she would bother auditioning for hololive.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:31:23 2021 No.4325048 >>4323819 >shiba "pls respond" inu I always laugh when I remember that.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:38:26 2021 No.4325313 >>4324255 i don't want to go digging around, but i really wanna know where Finana and Elira came from, especially Elira...she seems far too talented to be a random +1

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:39:09 2021 No.4325341 >>4323819 Collabs should be mutual. Why are Niji fans love to employ harassment tactics like this?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:41:34 2021 No.4325426 >>4325048 I understand she keeps asking Miko for collabs to help pay for medical bills- but why Miko?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:43:44 2021 No.4325488 >>4323858 The problem with Niji fags really is that they are tribalistic. Why can't you enjoy the talents themselves instead of sucking up to the company behind them?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:45:47 2021 No.4325540 >>4325488 >The problem with [INSERT BRAND HERE] fags really is that they are tribalistic. Why can't you enjoy the talents themselves instead of sucking up to the company behind them? This is always the truth, I'm a hololive stan but I'm not blind

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:47:32 2021 No.4325600 >>4324712 I thought Mint was the Hololive reject or was it one of her genmates?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:49:04 2021 No.4325663 File: 105 KB, 800x371, 1620359015759.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I thought Mint was the Hololive reject or was it one of her genmates?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:55:32 2021 No.4325843 >>4321105 Finana is the least experienced of the three, so no. >>4325313 Hint: Elira was Pomu's best friend in their previous lives. Finana was a vtuber named Shirogane Yui but she wasn't as active as the others.

Anonymous Sat May 29 00:55:32 2021 No.4325845

>everyone anticipated niji jp level of chaotic but en ver, but they become too seiso instead
>everyone anticipated male-female interaction that holo en (most of the time) doesn't have, but turned out they have no male member
>silent holofags is more than what you probably thought

Anonymous Sat May 29 00:56:24 2021 No.4325880

>>4325488
>Niji fags
>Tribalistic
Last i checked, Niji has collabed with VOMs, Vshojo, and other small scale companies along with indies
Didn't Cover just approve then rescind their offer to Vshojo? Isn't Amelia blocked from collabing with Uto and Nabi?
And best of all
>Holo tribalists are so close circle they actively encouraged Gura to not collab with "leeches" like Anya or Towa

Anonymous Sat May 29 00:58:41 2021 No.4325959

>>4325600
Mint lost to Gura in the gen 1 auditions. She didn't have as much streaming experience at the time. In retrospect it's prob good that she didn't make it in since she gained experience and ended up in her preferred company. Finana was also a hololive reject. Idk who she auditioned for.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:00:23 2021 No.4326013 >>4325959 *gained experience as an indie

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:02:30 2021 No.4326082 >>4320677 She can be 14cm tall and she still wouldn't be cunny, it's a design thing not a measurements thing.

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:02:40 2021 No.4326091 [DELETED]

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>Mint lost to Gura in the gen 1 auditions. She didn't have as much streaming experience at the time. In retrospect it's prob good that she didn't make it in since she gained experience and ended up in her preferred company. Finana was also a hololive reject. Idk who she auditioned for.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:03:41 2021 No.4326132 >>4320155 go back to /jp/

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:04:20 2021 No.4326151 >>4321105 Not really, they didn't even give her a cute and funny design despite her clearly wanting one.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:05:21 2021 No.4326185 >>4326091 Sorry anon, I should've put a disclaimer that the Mint thing was a rrat.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:05:26 2021 No.4326189 >>4325880 Dont you have a video to make about why your brand is better? The delusion of nijinigger is something else

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:05:34 2021 No.4326196 File: 197 KB, 1522x1867, 1620599714840.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >go back to /jp/

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:06:21 2021 No.4326216 >>4325880 >Holo tribalists are so close circle they actively encouraged Gura to not collab with "leeches" like Anya or Towa I don't know that we can count the "Gura sub only" fans as holofans.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:08:22 2021 No.4326270 >>4326189 >Man, all of this is accurate to the letter >better just say something irrelevant Sasuga holo-fan

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:08:50 2021 No.4326280 >>4325880 >this is your brain on narratives

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:09:48 2021 No.4326310 >>4325540 >stan Where the fuck do you come from?

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:11:37 2021 No.4326365

>>4325880
>Last i checked, Niji has collabed with VOMs, Vshojo, and other small scale companies along with indies

Hololive also collabs with VOMS and indies. Vshoujo is still a touchy subject mostly because of Melody, but I can't blame them on that

>Didn't Cover just approve then rescind their offer to Vshojo?

The Veibae collab got cancelled but pretty sure that's mostly due to outside factors and not due to Cover being tribalists

> Isn't Amelia blocked from collabing with Uto and Nabi?

Bold claims. I hope you have proof of those.

All I know is Amelia doesn't like being forced to collab with Nabi ( a literal who who just shares artists with her, and chat has been spamming Uto for a while then)

As for Nabi, pretty sure Amelia has been open to collabing with her.

So show me proof that Amelia is banned from collabing with either of them

>Holo tribalists are so close circle they actively encouraged Gura to not collab with "leeches" like Anya or Towa

But she did collab with Anya.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:13:08 2021 No.4326410 >>4326365 Forced to collab with Uto, I mean

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:13:15 2021 No.4326413 >>4326270 I'm literally saying that nijinigger is such a tribalist that they make a video titled "why nijisanji is better than hololive" while adding towa yab as argument.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:13:47 2021 No.4326429 >>4326310 Here, I just don't like to call myself a hololive fag/faggot because I think of maggots and in my experience I didn't like the taste of them I wish I was trolling but that is why I use the word "stan" over "fag"

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:14:01 2021 No.4326434 File: 2.83 MB, 1280x720, uoooh.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4319554 >>4326151 >Nijisanji >Cunny They're hiding their power level because they're not sure you holofags can handle it

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:15:04 2021 No.4326472

>>4322511
What's that even supposed to mean

>>4325488
Are you really saying that when holofags do this bs here all day baiting niji? calling them black company all the time even though we are in 2021? Shitting on their numbers even when they are above the industry standard? Calling their members as untalented? and there's much more. It isn't something one sided. Until both sides don't stop with this ridiculous bullshit, it's going to keep happening, because there's people with preferences and they don't like when people shit on the things they like.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:15:08 2021 No.4326474 File: 75 KB, 600x800, 1619237617182.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I'm literally saying that nijinigger is such a tribalist that they make a video titled "why nijisanji is better than hololive" while adding towa yab as argument.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:16:17 2021 No.4326508 >>4326474 >No argument

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:17:18 2021 No.4326535 File: 94 KB, 785x731, 1616804822520.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>No argument

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:17:38 2021 No.4326545 >Veibae shits on /vt/ for being a hololive containment board I was a fool back then, thinking she was doing a broad stroke attack

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:17:43 2021 No.4326547 >>4319508 >"oh nijisanji,yes i've heard of them,thats the indie vtuber group right? "

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:18:57 2021 No.4326583 >>4326535 >Monkey paw

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:19:55 2021 No.4326611 >>4319895 it all started with a priestess playing GTA 5...

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:21:45 2021 No.4326659 >>4320155 t. ken-sama

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:26:44 2021 No.4326777 >>4320513 Mori: Whether you think it's shit or not, being a rapping vtuber is definitely different. Also a 13 year old weeb's version of what's cool. Kiara: Not much, hence why she is last in subs. Multilingual I guess?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:27:15 2021 No.4326788 >>4326547 Indies and other agencies would love to get 85 of their jp members over at least 1k and 90 over 100k.

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:28:16 2021 No.4326813

They just don't have the same word of mouth advertising yet. For better or worse, Gura's "a" had her plastered on anime and meme subreddits for a few months, which pulled a bunch of casuals into the Vtuber sphere. NijiEN just needs lightning to strike and have something (a meme, clip or song) go super viral to get more eyes on their content. They're plenty talented enough to pull them in once they get there.

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:32:01 2021 No.4326908

>>4320513
extremely extroverted, social, actually took the effort to learn japanese on a non-gaijin camping out level, has the most superchats in EN due to a really fierce loyalty between her and her KFP crew. Probably the only real former Idol, or close enough.
Did a huge amount of bridge building to connect ID, JP, and EN together. Has a decent voice if she turns off her "oshi" voice for karaoke

There's more, but essentially EN would be a far more sterile and isolated section of Holo without Kiara's excessive need to be around people

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:32:21 2021 No.4326917

>>4319508
They played too safe and stuck too closely to the hololive model. That ensures that they will never surpass holoEN and will always be in thier shadow. It's the same reason why all those WoW killers and Cod killers never took off. Why bother with the discount knockoff version when the original is right there?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:32:36 2021 No.4326920 >>4319508 Safe, boring picks.

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:33:02 2021 No.4326931

>>4320347
Well its shizuka rin for you. She just want to stream & playing game that she like. Fans who stay is either love game very much or love rin very much. If its not then you'll simply filtered hard.
Imo niji true chance with western market is hana macchia. She half, understands western joke & have good taste of game choices. Sadly ichikara doesn't utilize that opportunity & rest happen

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:34:42 2021 No.4326963 Because they're all discount versions of someone from holoEN.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:38:39 2021 No.4327031 >>4326963 i feel Finana is closer to Vshojo tier Pomu is like VOMs Elira reminds me so much of a mix of Ina and Kiara though. at least in the confidence area

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:43:18 2021 No.4327131 >>4325488 How ironic. Change nijisanji word with any holo EN fanbase and i'll agree.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:45:15 2021 No.4327172 >>4327131 ehh ever since the apocalypse HoloJP fans are just as bad. Everyone that isn't on some insane level of dedication and on the fly knowledge, is seen as a tourist or fake Sounds familiar right?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:46:48 2021 No.4327209 >>4327172 JP fans are unironically insane

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:49:58 2021 No.4327285
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>>4319508
hololive = nvidia
nijisanji = amd
whatever hololive churns out is going to be more popular with the masses by default simply because they've got the critical mass of a household name

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:51:28 2021 No.4327318

>>4319508
because

1) the fairy is ok, but her sense of humor is elementary kid level. big pepe power! ugh. it's about the foot you put forward, and that was a terrible lead off for your career. it's ok to have a childish sense of humor, but have some shame about it. It's impossible to build an adult audience talking to them like you're a 4th grader. Someone should have stopped that "big pp energy" nonsense immediately. outside of that nonsense, as a streamer she's ok, solid voice and concept. Unfortunately she doesn't really have "something" to make me want to watch her. if I was to rank her i'd put her about on par with hololive ID's 2nd gen anna.

2) the dragon has a good voice, isn't childish, and is a solid singer. her problem is she's about as entertaining as listening to paint dry. Her design is too busy too, polka has this problem as well, in fact a lot of vtubers do this, kiara did this with her two stupid hats on her base model. It was too much. They should have toned her design down a bit to match her personality a little bit. either go more modest or go for gap moe with a sexy design; anything is better then the soccer mom look for her clothing, and the over-the-top hair and details. I think with some tweaks she stands the strongest chance to be a strong vtuber

3) the fish is a mess. She's her personality manages to be both dull and obnoxious and she is a very blatant/cheap knockoff of gura. She's like a certain someone else with zero imagination (artimus) who decided to try to grab on to whatever it is that made gura magic. That's just mental; all she did was draw the obvious comparison to Gura, and frankly she falls WAY short. There is nothing wrong with being a mermaid or whatever it is she is, but i would have done my best to AVOID comparisons to gura. Make her busty, don't make her birthdate June 19th (one day before gura's); i'm not sure what could have salvaged this trainwreck, but trying to copy gura was a terrible choice.

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:55:28 2021 No.4327401

>>4327318
All good points but
>don't make her birthdate June 19th (one day before gura's
I'm certain these birthdates aren't just random picked numbers anon or for marketing purposes (though it does lead into special events).

Who are you to tell someone to go get born a different day, what are you gonna seriously do shove her back into her mother's snatch and tell her to wait another month?

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:00:47 2021 No.4327517

>>4327318
i think your mostly on the nose, but Finana doesn't deserve that much of a slap. She's still trying to dial in who it is Finana is, just like Mori or Ame from HoloEN, who were practically crucified on their debut month because they didn't fit a pre-determined mold

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:00:48 2021 No.4327520 >>4327401 >he thinks the character birthdays are actually real Are you underaged? They are obviously made up dates.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:03:04 2021 No.4327562 >>4326931 I honestly used to watch her until her FF14 addiction arc

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:03:15 2021 No.4327565 >>4327520 Didn't most of HoloEN put their own B-days just for convenience's sake?

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:06:09 2021 No.4327611

>>4327318
>her problem is she's about as entertaining as listening to paint dry
Disagree, she's quite entertaining when it comes to banter and audience interaction, her Cooking Simulator stream from today is a good example of how her talking skills are able to turn a boring game around. I can see how you might get that impression just from her debut though.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:06:37 2021 No.4327620 >>4327401 Nigger, Gura herself picked her "birthday" to be the same day Jaws premiered, Merbrap probably did so just to trendsurf on Gura's birthday

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:07:12 2021 No.4327635

>>4327520
>>4327565
this is what I'm getting at, sure, using a made up one is one way to avoid doxing but (clearly) when you rebrand might as well take it with you.

That and fake birthdays aren't special, might as well use a real one and make it something worth celebrating, unless it's your debut date which would be convenient

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:07:52 2021 No.4327649

>>4320513
>What is Mori's exceptional talent
Whether you want to admit it or not the fact that Mori has multiple songs with millions upon millions of views shows that she a talented rapper/songwriter. If her songs sucked people wouldn't keep watching them.

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:07:58 2021 No.4327650

>>4327401
>Who are you to tell someone to go get born a different day,

if you think gura's roomate's birthday is june 20th you got another thing coming. I'd be willing to bet none of the vtuber's birthdays are their actual birthdays (well some probably used their actual ones, though that undermines the whole anonymity thing)

even if the fish's roomate's birthday is june 19th, i would have changed it to something else for the fish in a quest to avoid the obvious comparison to gura. A mermaid is a good design concept, there is a lot of fun to be had with it, and her design is good. But I would have tried to keep any comparison with gura away from people's minds. make her favorite color pink, or green (it's blue just like gura), make her busty and adult not flat, i mean there are ways to go with the fish concept without drawing comparisons with gura.

as for her personality, she's got to settle on something more "real", right now she sounds really fake and somehow really dull while being obnoxious at the same time (which is bizarre), there is nothing wrong with being obnoxious. Kiara and Pekora make a career out of being obnoxious. But if you're going to be obnoxious you have to be entertaining. Pekora cracks me up all the time, Kiara does something for the kfp bros (no clue what, she drives me nuts), the fish puts me to sleep... irritated. Somehow she needs to find a way to be genuine so that people can connect with her be it dull or obnoxious, she's easily the fakest of the group, which is saying a lot since the fairy is fake incarnate. Ina found a way to be genuine, and while she's dull, she's also found a way to be endearing and cute in her sleepy way. Pekora found a way to make obnoxious hilarious. If the fish wants to make it she needs to figure out what she is... dull or obnoxious, and then figure out how how to do what ina and pekora have done.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:08:15 2021 No.4327658 >>4327620 So when is senezawa's birthday then?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:08:48 2021 No.4327667 >>4327620 Why not make it the same day then? Dumb rrat.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:09:29 2021 No.4327679 >>4326813 Is this why Ichikara trying to hire a meme makers?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:09:39 2021 No.4327687 >>4327658 23rd of October

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:09:47 2021 No.4327692 >>4327650 >which is saying a lot since the fairy is fake incarnate Pomu is incredibly genuine, what the hell are you talking about? She's always talking about how work affects her, her struggles in life, etc etc

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:10:56 2021 No.4327721 >>4327650 Other than being an aquatic creature and that bathtub clip she isn't anything remotely like gura. Retards and idiots aren't really the same

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:11:12 2021 No.4327728

>>4327692
>Pomu is incredibly genuine, what the hell are you talking about? She's always talking about how work affects her, her struggles in life, etc etc

pomu sounds like a twitch thot. and if you believe any of the sob stories those twitch thots tell to get their simp bucks I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:11:13 2021 No.4327730 >>4327667 Because her birthday stream would get absolutely mogged by Gura's if it was on the same day, retard.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:11:29 2021 No.4327736 >>4327667 Probably because they want to actually celebrate their birthday instead of going to work/stream

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:11:57 2021 No.4327747 >>4327687 Whelp, can't say I didn't ask for it, I lost, cheers

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:13:13 2021 No.4327777 >>4327728 Oh okay so you're just a cynic who doesn't trust anything with a vagina, got it

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:14:22 2021 No.4327800 >>4327728 So, like every vtuber ever, including your oshi?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:14:27 2021 No.4327803 >>4327728 >pomu sounds like a twitch thot i have heard twitch thots and Pomu is not that. She's something for sure, but twitch girls are uppity and demanding

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:19:14 2021 No.4327905

>>4327777
wrong. listen.

I have problems with streamers telling sob stories with a financial hook. Gura's "stories" never are financial. she doesn't talk about "oh i can't pay for my car, i can't pay rent, i can't afford food". Of course she's rolling in cash, but if you check out most of hololive you'll notice that type of streaming is almost never used.

the closest to a twitch thot moment i've heard from hololive was kiara complaining about her fibromyalgia, and to her credit (I don't like kiara but i'll give her credit) she didn't use it to fundraise; it was a legit complaint about something bothering her not an appeal to cash.

Pomu probably could be a solid streamer with a few tweeks but she's definitely got the whole twitch thot money grift going on that rubs me the wrong way. It's the part of her personality that bothers me the most. That said she doesn't turn me off listening to her for that reason. i didn't even mention it in my first comment about her.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:20:13 2021 No.4327924 >>4319508 They are doing good, thousand of views make them better than half of the other nijisanj members.

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:22:31 2021 No.4327969

>>4327905
Pomu actively tells people not to concernfag for her and refuses to even specify what illness she's having surgery for because of it, she forgets to even turn donations on her streams half of the time, you have legitimately no idea what you're talking about

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:25:07 2021 No.4328021

>>4327969
>she forgets to even turn donations on her streams half of the time
well i'll admit I don't watch her enough to notice this. the few times she was giving the twitch thot pump for cash her donation bin was open. I'll admit i don't' watch her enough though to be able to say that's a common behavior. Just made an assumption based on consistent behavior witnessed in a couple of streams.

lets set aside the twitch thot vibes, she still needs someone to slap the stupid 4th grade humor out of her head. that's the biggest mark against her right now.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:25:23 2021 No.4328026 >>4319895 Yes? Are you actually retarded?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:27:22 2021 No.4328052 >>4327969 Because there is no illness. She used it to make money off simps as Mint now shes doing it again.

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:29:07 2021 No.4328087

>>4327905
In this case, what you said about Kiara would apply to Pomu as well. She has explicitly said, multiple times, that she has a full-time job with healthcare benefits that will cover the surgery. Also doesn't have donations on her streams half the time.

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:30:14 2021 No.4328101

>>4328021
>Just made an assumption
And when you assume you make an ass out of u and me, so feel free to quit at any time. And she hasn't said the pp power thing you're so hung up on for like 2, 3 streams now? It's not something she relies on for Twitchbux like you seem to think in your head. You really shouldn't judge a vtuber wholesale by their first one or two streams and this is why.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:33:50 2021 No.4328159 >>4328021 >i didn't watch her enough The typical holofag everyone

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:42:45 2021 No.4328297 >>4328159 >y-you cant have an opinion unless you watched 80 hrs worth of their shit content grats on being the pretentious hipsters of the vTuber sphere though I guess

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:43:16 2021 No.4328306 >>4319508 boring shit same as holo.

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:43:35 2021 No.4328317
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NIJI EN ARE ALL HOLO EN REJECTS. ITS NOT HARD TO DEDUCE THAT HOLO REJECTS PERFORM LIKE SHIT AND CREDIT TO COVER FOR REJECTING THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Christ, Kiara alone could beat all these Nijiniggers if you count subs and views.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:46:09 2021 No.4328350 >>4328297 Holocope.

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:46:28 2021 No.4328359

>>4320504
>Hololive hired people that were a lot more experienced
They actually didn't. Only Gura and Ame were experienced streamers beforehand. They took a massive risk with the other three and it paid the fuck off. Which is another factor, since Niji is taking the safe route of hiring only from the Vtuber sphere (might just be they didn't get any application from outside it) and that's why there's not much that makes these three cuties stand out among an ocean of cuties.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:47:38 2021 No.4328374 >>4328317 why are chumbuds like this?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:48:54 2021 No.4328395 >>4319508 Classic nijisanji, they arent memeable

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:06:06 2021 No.4328689 >>4328374 Why are deadbraps like this?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:10:51 2021 No.4328776 >>4328101 you must be over 13 to post here

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:24:30 2021 No.4328954 >>4328359 the only who dont have steaming experience is mori anon, kiara steam quite a bit just not game, same with ina

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:28:33 2021 No.4329011 >>4328954 >steaming experience >steam Anonchama...

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:30:22 2021 No.4329041 >>4328776 Yes. And?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:42:24 2021 No.4329177 >>4329011 yeah yeah i need to sleep

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:51:26 2021 No.4329276 can i have that ryusei nut in me clip?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:05:19 2021 No.4329447 >>4326270 >This is accurate >Clearly doesn't know what is he talking about

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:10:30 2021 No.4329519 >>4326813 They already had this. Several times in fact. Their country roads cover directed alot of attention towards them back in 2019. They just didn't take advantage of it and now they are eternally playing catchup.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:14:07 2021 No.4329567 >>4328350 Nijiseethe

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:20:05 2021 No.4329667 >>4328374 Why do you always assumed it is us? We rarely ever talk about number in /ggg/, and we barely pay any attention to other HoloENs beside Amelia.

Anonymous Sat May 29 04:24:16 2021 No.4329735

>>4329667
Numbers are only ever brought up as a point of comparison so it makes sense they wouldn't be discussed in a general hyperfocuses on one girl. But go into any other thread such as a Niji 3D and you'll see Chumbuds saying things along the lines of "50k? Please, Gura's outfit reveal alone got yadda yadda yadda"

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:25:55 2021 No.4329762 File: 707 KB, 687x1603, F424ED2D-46E8-44F4-8CCF-690D9A35990F.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4329519 This meme blew up in 2019 and the ignored the opportunity

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:28:03 2021 No.4329793 >>4329762 Mito is always really busy as the face of Nijisanji and Kaede doesn't know a word of English (just see her Vshojo collab as reference), not much could be done there

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:29:27 2021 No.4329810 >Niji and Hololive girls collab all the time >Anons will still get in a thread and argue as if the companies are at each other's throats Tribal niggers are so fucking stupid

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:31:10 2021 No.4329833 File: 304 KB, 1636x2048, 14E81250-50D1-4627-A189-B700C080A965.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is the cutest Dragon I have ever seen! Sweaty, stinky dragon love!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:31:32 2021 No.4329838 >>4329735 Are you sure those are not falseflaggers using chumbuds as bait? Most of us know that Gura has a really bad case of imposter syndrome and we tried not to bring it up.

Anonymous Sat May 29 04:33:53 2021 No.4329876

>>4319508
I don't think anything went wrong per say but it's just a combination of things. The biggest being of course that Nijisanji has no name recognition in the west. They were playing with a disadvantage from the start.

The other part really shows why Cover's strategy to not necessarily hire former indie vtubers payed off big time. Don't get me wrong, I like the Niji girls so I'm not trashing them, but they don't really have anything that stands out about them. They are just cute vtubers. Cover made sure to hire people who could bring something else to the table other than just being streamers.

>Gura is a great singer
>Mori is a great story teller/song writer
>Ina is a great artist
>Amelia has rigged vtuber models before and is really good on the tech side of things if any of the girls run into any problems
>Kiara is an actual former idol and is completely fluent in 3 different languages (the most important being japanese of course when you are working for a japanese company)

Cover's strategy really paid off.

Anonymous Sat May 29 04:40:46 2021 No.4329975

If they actually wanted to ride the initial western wave they needed to debut way sooner. Before HoloEN ideally, but a couple months after them would have still been fine.
Now is far too late. I'm sure they will still grow to be more than profitable given enough time but I don't think they will ever reach the numbers of HoloEN Gen1.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:58:04 2021 No.4330188 >>4319508 They are very cute and talented but the market is saturated, my people already have bonded with their favorite streamer.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:02:40 2021 No.4330272 >>4329793 Then there’s nothing to be done for current NijiEN either. However, for wave 2 I hope Ichikira would try to personally scout for exceptional talent instead while try to be different from Hololive model.

Anonymous Sat May 29 05:04:13 2021 No.4330305
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I literally don't care about any numbers or whatever you think is important. Didn't read the thread lol.
Pomu is my sole reason to follow NijiEN and all I know is that I'll stay for her.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:04:30 2021 No.4330316 >>4330272 >Ichikara It's AnyColor

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:06:06 2021 No.4330340 >>4329793 Then there’s nothing to be done for current NijiEN either. However, for wave 2 I hope Ichikira would try to personally scout for exceptional talent instead while dumb the Idol model for NijiJP chaotic style

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:07:09 2021 No.4330357 >>4330316 I hate that new name so much

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:07:22 2021 No.4330361 >>4319895 I remember seeing Korone in a magazine in 2016.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:07:50 2021 No.4330372 >>4320155 What's it like being a bitter retard?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:11:22 2021 No.4330437 >>4322243 >They need atleast 1 retard. Pomu is the designated boke

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:13:22 2021 No.4330474 >>4330361 She was more prominent in 2018

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:26:53 2021 No.4330697 >>4327667 An anon said its to prevent doxxing and now that I think of it, they could be right.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:28:42 2021 No.4330730 >>4330361 That's odd, because Korone's Hololive debut was in 2019

Anonymous Sat May 29 05:35:22 2021 No.4330827

>>4327969
oh boohoo princess is stuck in working a job she hates (literally most people) and complains about it even tho her job gives her full healthcare, complains her job bother her but she onyl puts up with it for healhcare (almost literally most people)
I dont care how genuine you say she sounds, its a nasty thing to do when she can actually pursue her dreams of being a vtuber and now actually does it proffesionally
Just suck it up and dont complain to your viewers about when most of them definetly have it a lot worse

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:35:34 2021 No.4330830 >>4327905 >you're a twitch thot if you talk about needing health insurance in order to not die

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:45:14 2021 No.4331002 >>4326365 >>4326410 Uto and Amelia wouldn't have any chemistry anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:51:50 2021 No.4331118 >>4326545 I can't look at her or vshojo the same after the collab got cancelled. It was always a case of sour grapes more than actual hatred.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:55:07 2021 No.4331168 >>4330830 DYRBI, anon?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:59:28 2021 No.4331244 File: 87 KB, 1281x1200, 1622231285941.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4320155 >enters a thread about western vtubers >complains about western vtubers in said thread How is it possible to be this fucking based

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:02:25 2021 No.4331288 >>4319895 Yes, thanks to clipfags.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:06:09 2021 No.4331332 File: 295 KB, 489x613, surprised pikamee face.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4331288 Why can't clipfags do the same for Niji? Even Voms, specifically Pikamee have dedicated clipfags.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:07:44 2021 No.4331365 >>4331332 Pikamee went months before she had that "let's kill da ho" clip propel her into relevancy, the NijiENs have yet to have that moment.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:08:33 2021 No.4331380 >>4331332 Because Nijiclips don't bring in the $$$ People who clipfag Pikamee also clipfag the Holos

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:09:30 2021 No.4331396 >>4330340 >nothing done >already having the own original song for debut and one being part of the global original song

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:10:00 2021 No.4331405 File: 430 KB, 1051x1096, 1613590401377.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4331365 https://youtu.be/pAJ1IYNmKow

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:12:47 2021 No.4331435 File: 13 KB, 197x256, 6c7757262204fd312bd7df7d76d78b9bc44d3745.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4319508

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:13:29 2021 No.4331448 >>4330340 All the exceptional talents went to holo,niji got only the rejects for their audition

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:13:41 2021 No.4331458 https://youtu.be/x2hvWmxTTNs >>4331405 >>4331365 >>4331332

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:22:10 2021 No.4331579 >>4329519 >>4329762 Yea i think they also already have viral stuff in early 2020,hana doom,that Ars&EX encounters,ange burger,& gibara monkey... but its already too late now, they blow their chance

Anonymous Sat May 29 06:25:32 2021 No.4331634
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>>4319508
Its not that NijiEN failed, its more that the HoloEN was a massive success.

HoloEN was basically the perfect storm. Cover had both Haachama and Coco to build hype for a potential EN branch, piles upon piles of clips that would be funny even to people who don't understand Japanese humor, and free publicity from the Taiwan incident. On top of that HoloEN debuted as the only company hires in a market that had, up until then, exclusively been Indies. the closest semblance to competition they had was Vshojo, who appeal to their own market niche anyway.
It would have taken a miracle for HoloEN NOT to explode.

Ichikara can still take some of the blame for NijiEN's relative smallness, they put off a serious attempt at a NijiEN for way too long, but most of it is just down to cover making a few incredibly good hires where Nijisanji didn't.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:27:13 2021 No.4331649 >>4331634 About vshojo, don't forget that that group formed in December and the HololiveEN train was already at full steam by then.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:27:50 2021 No.4331662 >>4331332 There's already clips for them, just look for it. There's even a elira only focused channel. That's how they are getting over 1k even after 2 weeks of the debut.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:29:55 2021 No.4331686 >>4319508 they're boring as fuck

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:31:19 2021 No.4331705 >>4331686 I can say the same for Ame, Ina, Kiara and Mori.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:33:11 2021 No.4331736 >>4319607 cope

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:34:30 2021 No.4331752 >>4319508 they didn't explode in popularity? nice we can still gatekeep

Anonymous Sat May 29 06:37:51 2021 No.4331801

Did you know that Pepsi actually makes more money in a year than Coco Cola? That's kind of crazy, right? Coke and Diet Coke have basically always been the two best selling sodas. Pepsi blown the fuck out. But get this, rather than compete directly Pepsi went rogue. They bought Gatorade! And then invented the sports drink craze. They bought lays and doritos. What goes better with pop? What's really crazy about this is that Coke playing catch up is actually the guys behind the obviously second best shit. Like Powerade vs Gatorade? Come on

Hololive is a really spectacular whole that builds on itself as well as chips and pop. It's exciting to see the other members in other people's streams, and the collabs, and how close they all are to each other and how it's one big family. It took EN like month(s)? to actually start overlapping with each other and they still don't do it. And then when gura was sick a while ago Ame actually covered her time slot. This is awesome. The three Nijis are already streaming over top of each other. I don't want just pop

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:41:27 2021 No.4331840 >>4331801 It's as if HoloEN have them in 4 different timezones.

Anonymous Sat May 29 06:47:16 2021 No.4331917

>>4331801
I don't really understand how this analogy is relevant when Nijisanji does more tie-ins and varied content than Hololive ever has, radio shows, regular 3D events, tons and tons of merch, mobage crossovers, LINE stickers, puchisanji, not one but 2 3D anime YouTube series, whatever the fuck Mito does with her irl streams, VR streams, collabs with big name music producers such as Teddyloid etc... to accuse NijiEN of stagnating after a week of streams is a bit ridiculous

Anonymous Sat May 29 06:52:10 2021 No.4331977

>>4319508
There is like one really good in Pomu. The dragon has a nice design and voice but is quite normiecore otherwise so far. The fish feels like a joke, sure she got some saviourfags and zoomers to praise her every action, but overall literally anyone could have done a better job than her, she has the worst humour, average voice, no experience and it shows, no particular talent or interesting tastes in game, knowledge or anything. She's legit dragging NijiEN down just being here.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:52:16 2021 No.4331979 >>4329793 So was Fubuki and Korone when they blew up. Even now Fubuki can barely string together a couple of sentences in english. They still managed to pull them in, so not knowing english is not an excuse.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:52:54 2021 No.4331985 >>4319508 pomu is cute

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:53:36 2021 No.4331995 >>4331917 What do you expect from HoloEn only clip watchers? They watched several Holo clips and numbers in Vnuma and think they know the whole vtubers industry.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:53:53 2021 No.4332003 >>4329975 Yeah they should've debuted around the time Artemis did. Despite being a shit streamer she managed to amass 100k subs on debut purely by riding the holohype. Debuting eight months later is way too late.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:55:52 2021 No.4332026 >>4331662 Meh. Why would someone clipfag a Holo reject when they could have opted for the real thing.

>>	Lamy Sat May 29 06:57:19 2021 No.4332041 File: 63 KB, 194x192, luna_what.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4330316 >>4330357 Why did they even feel they needed to change the name in first place? Global pandering?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:58:01 2021 No.4332047 >>4332041 Bro why did (you) change your name from Anonymous to Lamy

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:58:09 2021 No.4332052 >>4331917 It doesn't matter how much vairety you have if it's all crap nobody wants to watch

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:59:00 2021 No.4332060 >>4332047 because I'm from "that thread" and was too retarded to delete the name before posting....again

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:59:29 2021 No.4332063 >>4332041 seems like a pretty sad attempt to yes

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 06:59:46 2021 No.4332067 >>4332052 Good thing it's not, then

Anonymous Sat May 29 07:00:41 2021 No.4332084

>>4322591
Most western vtubers don't ever mention anything politic related, let alone "woke stuff". If you just read vtweeters that are basically 80% TBAs, sure, but that's not western vtubers. There are plenty of quality ones. On the other side, even JPs bring up stuff like this, like Sukoya Kana spoke multiple times seriously about LGBT.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:01:28 2021 No.4332103 >>4319508 The designs seem like something you find in a cheap mobile game

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:02:52 2021 No.4332117 >>4332067 It is. Most Nijsanji content is trash, worse than anything Hololive does, and gets an appropriately low amount of views

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:04:31 2021 No.4332141 >>4331634 Your timeline is a little off, the Taiwan thing didn't happen until a couple of weeks into HoloEN's debut and Vshojo wasn't a thing until November, back then it was just Project Melody and Nyanners and a bunch of indies.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:04:47 2021 No.4332150 >>4332117 So you went from saying it's "all" trash to just mostly I accept your concession

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:06:09 2021 No.4332164 >>4332150 >taking hyperbole literally I accept your concession

Anonymous Sat May 29 07:07:38 2021 No.4332180

>>4331979
Fubuki and Korone are meme machine with cartoon voices. They make some funny voice from time to time. They are natural born clipbait. Mito is unironically too high IQ 5 you kind of vtuber. You need to watch her whole stream to enjoy her content. She is not a funny voice vtuber. And that filter out the EOP.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:07:58 2021 No.4332186 >>4332141 Nah that can't be right, I remember Civia's graduation occurring prior to any of HoloEN's debuts. No reason why their interactions with Coco would've been limited so much from the beginning otherwise too.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:09:00 2021 No.4332196 >>4332186 You memory is fucked, Civia's graduation happened in November, way after HoloEN Debuted.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:09:45 2021 No.4332206 >>4332164 >I accept your concession Do the people who use this actually think it makes it look like they won an argument, rather than just trying to bail out?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:09:51 2021 No.4332207 >>4332117 Who give you right to make judgment when you never watch any Nijisanji videos?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:10:31 2021 No.4332218 >>4332186 Your memory is throwing the wrong things together then. HoloEN debuted in early September, Civia graduated in late November.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:11:27 2021 No.4332234 >>4332186 You mean Civia's YouTube debut happened weeks before EN

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:14:49 2021 No.4332285 >>4319508 Honestly, they blew their first impressions with lame jokes on twitter

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:15:01 2021 No.4332289 >>4332041 anycolor needs money more than cover.

Anonymous Sat May 29 07:16:10 2021 No.4332307

>>4331917
The issue isn't variety, it's interconnectedness. If you watch Gura you're excited when Ame or the other holoEN pops into the stream, and alot of fans do a sort of rotation where they start of the day watching Ina then switch over to Gura when she starts and end the day at Ame. HoloJp doesn't have quite the same thing going on but they still have a sense of internconnectedness that makes it such that even if you only watch, say, Fubuki you're aware of Korone and Okayu and Mio and a bunch of others because she regularly mentions them and interacts with them. This is what makes the hololive fanbase the Hololive fanbase and not just, say, the Fubuki fanbase.
Compare that to the Niji Fanbase where fans are usually just fans of one particular chuuba and rarely spread to the rest of the company, and a common refrain given to newcomers is "Just pick one or two that looks appealing to watch, don't bother trying to follow them all". When NijiEN constantly overlaps each other despite being only three members, it splits up their potential fanbase and forces them to choose one to support, rather than being fans of all three.

Anonymous Sat May 29 07:23:19 2021 No.4332407

>>4332307
But NijiJP talents mention each other all the time and NijiEN talents regularly show up to each others' streams all the time as well. Nijisanji talents collab and have big events and concerts that involve all of them. In fact, the day NijiEN debuted they all collabed together, and with their NijiID senpai as well. Nowadays more and more people are watching VODs since Covid has settled down, and the NijiEN girls have settled into timeslots where they can all stream at different times, so the interlapping being cited as a reason why one can't be a fan of all 3 is more of an excuse than anything.
>and a common refrain given to newcomers is "Just pick one or two that looks appealing to watch, don't bother trying to follow them all"
Nobody follows every Hololive talent either, there's around what, 50 of them? Often multiple streaming at the same time? There's a reason people always ask about others' oshis, I mean there's an expectation when you're a Hololive fan that you'll prioritize one girl you like over the others for a reason. And acting as if the one big family thing is anything more than a branding thing is laughable when you see how much of loners some talents are such as Ayame or Aqua.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:23:45 2021 No.4332415 File: 2.56 MB, 1557x2048, 1615033525993.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4332307 Please watch Nijisanji before posting your hottake about them.

Anonymous Sat May 29 07:26:17 2021 No.4332456

>>4332407
>Nobody follows every Hololive talent either
Ask me how I know you don't pay attention to the hololive fandom. They don't watch every single Holo stream because that is physically impossible, but a good chunk are subscribed to all of them and have a priority list where they'll fall down to the next holo in line when their favourites aren't streaming.

Anonymous Sat May 29 07:28:01 2021 No.4332492

>>4332456
>Ask me how I know you don't pay attention to the hololive fandom. They don't watch every single Holo stream because that is physically impossible
You just contradicted yourself in two sentences you moron. You don't say you follow tv shows if you don't watch the episodes as they come out and just check out clips or an episode on occasion. You have to actually watch their streams to follow Holos.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:28:37 2021 No.4332507 >>4332492 The subscribe button is a thing you know

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:29:29 2021 No.4332530 >>4332507 Yes, and so are dead subs, of which Holos have many.

Anonymous Sat May 29 07:32:26 2021 No.4332580

>>4332530
>Dead subs
If you think anyone being discussed here has enough non engaging subscribers for the term dead subs to be relevant you're a retard and not worth talking to. The only currently active vtuber to which the term dead subs can be meaningfully applied to is Kizuna Ai and no one in Hololive or nijisanji is anywhere close to that level.

Anonymous Sat May 29 07:34:04 2021 No.4332612

>>4332580
>If you think anyone being discussed here has enough non engaging subscribers for the term dead subs to be relevant you're a retard and not worth talking to
4 of the 5 HoloEN girls have over 1 million subscribers. Tell me, how many live viewers do they all get on average?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:36:06 2021 No.4332649 >>4332612 10k, and this matters because?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:37:18 2021 No.4332678 >>4332649 Because the vast majority of their subscribers are not watching their content. They have many, many dead subs.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:37:54 2021 No.4332685 >>4332612 You can say that about the other 100M+ subscribed channel that has around 30k-60k live viewers when livestreaming on Youtube

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:38:21 2021 No.4332692 >>4332685 Yes. And?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:38:34 2021 No.4332696 >>4332678 If you want to use that as your argument you should be using vod views, also by that metric every vtuber on youtube is indunated with dead subs

Anonymous Sat May 29 07:39:10 2021 No.4332712
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Doesn't Niji JP dominate the Japanese market compared to Holo JP? In 2018 I saw cutouts of Saku and Shiina at Narita airport. Even in Akibara I've yet to see any Holo presence there.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:39:11 2021 No.4332711 >>4332678 >dead subs >not time zones Anon-chama, why don't you see the views on their vods?

Anonymous Sat May 29 07:41:13 2021 No.4332750

>>4332696
>also by that metric every vtuber on youtube is indunated with dead subs
Yes, they are. This has gotten very off track, but my point is that "follow" as you seem to view the term does not describe what the average Holofan does to all of the girls. Many of them simply subscribe, maybe watch a cute 5 second clip they upload on occasion, and stick to their oshi. Thus this whole juxtaposition you're attempting to make that insists that Hololive fans follow every Hololiver while Nijisanji fans do not is fundamentally flawed.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:42:24 2021 No.4332773 >>4332580 cope

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:42:39 2021 No.4332779 >>4332773 seethe

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:43:44 2021 No.4332798 >>4332711 If Ina gets 200k on most of her vods and she has 1 million subscribers that still means 80% of her subscribers are not watching her content.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:44:28 2021 No.4332816 >>4332779 Dial 8

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:44:50 2021 No.4332823 >>4332816 Cringe

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:45:33 2021 No.4332834 >>4332798 Isn't that normal for youtubers in general? The percentage may vary but it happens for everyone. Some subs are dead and others only watch some videos.

Anonymous Sat May 29 07:46:07 2021 No.4332841

>>4332712
There is no metric that would indicate that. Even if the face of some was more known by a mainstream audience, the fact some rando can see a face and think "ah yeah I've seen that before" doesn't really matter. And even that has yet to be backed up by more than an anecdotal "but I feel they have more presence"

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:46:12 2021 No.4332844 >Holo EN already has a large established audience >Debuts happened a week after the much hyped HoloEN outfit reveals >Debuts had the bad luck of going against Gura/Ame podcast and meme review.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:46:12 2021 No.4332845 >>4332834 Yeah, it's normal. I'm not a numberfag to begin with so it's not something I use to judge superiority or anything.

Anonymous Sat May 29 07:48:47 2021 No.4332883

>>4332798
1. It's actually a high % for youtube. Most channels have way lower, the expection being in rapidly growing phases when someone get caught by the algorithm.
2. Not everyone watch every video. Some subs only watch the games they like, or the art, etc.
I member Ina and only her, and I only check about 1/4 of VODs, either from lack of time or it's some game I don't like. I'd estimate only about 25% really don't watch any video anymore, at maximum.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:49:48 2021 No.4332902 >>4332883 Yeah, even for my oshi I can't afford watching all those hours of VODs at all, half at best and that's pushing it.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:50:34 2021 No.4332922 >>4332841 Then why is niji considered doing better in Japan than Hololive? Is it just a rrat?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:51:30 2021 No.4332935 >>4332922 >niji considered doing better in Japan than Hololive by who?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:52:36 2021 No.4332957 >>4332922 because they were a year ago but holo competes with on youtube metrics at least these days

Anonymous Sat May 29 07:52:41 2021 No.4332958

>>4332883
>It's actually a high % for youtube
So? It still means 80% of her viewers are not watching her content. It's still a large presence of dead subs.
>Not everyone watch every video
Again, so? You gonna try to make the argument that 100% of her subs actually watch her, just different content of hers?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:52:50 2021 No.4332959 >>4332922 >>4332712 Would you consider Kizuna AI to be doing "better than Hololive" in vtubing in Japan? Being a known face to random people that saw you a few times on TV or on a shop window doesn't mean much for "doing better".

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:54:03 2021 No.4332973 >>4332958 Yes, if you read my post. I have not a single doubt most people watch at least a few videos. Not 100%, likely close to 80%.

Anonymous Sat May 29 07:54:05 2021 No.4332978

>>4332935
Maybe it was nijinigger cope, but i've seen even 5ch acknowledging this as well.
>>4332959
>Would you consider Kizuna AI to be doing "better than Hololive" in vtubing in Japan?
Yes. Kizuna Ai was everywhere back in 2018, especially akibara. This was before the yab of course.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:54:08 2021 No.4332979 File: 496 KB, 1536x2048, 963847683437.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4332712 In 2021 is like this.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:54:20 2021 No.4332981 >>4332117 You don't even watch nijisanji you retard, which is clear when you only parrot hearsay you read on here and numbers.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:54:47 2021 No.4332993 File: 3.62 MB, 1920x1920, nijisanji2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4332935 By Japanese media industry and population.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:55:28 2021 No.4333004 >>4332993 >random pics put together oh wow, it proves literally nothing

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:55:35 2021 No.4333008 >>4332973 I think that's inconsistent with the average person's loyalty to your typical YouTube channel, but alright, agree to disagree.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:56:57 2021 No.4333031 >>4332979 Kotone in a store wat

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 07:58:59 2021 No.4333068 File: 225 KB, 1024x616, Ez5EG72VEAQeudq.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4332935

Anonymous Sat May 29 08:04:53 2021 No.4333190

>>4332935
Come on anon i know you are dumb but not on this level. They still have big presence in jp. If its not then how do you explain mito, lize or ago number, their contents is epitome of EOP filter. But hololive might have potential surpass then in one or two year depending on their marketing.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 08:05:54 2021 No.4333210 >>4319895 How new are you?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 08:07:08 2021 No.4333239 >>4333068 https://youtu.be/qmMePmaartM

Anonymous Sat May 29 08:07:10 2021 No.4333240
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>>4332798
Look at major collabs you retard , not everyone has time to watch everything , even the dedicated fans.

When most of the Jp members had 400K-300K subs , when they'd collab you'd see the VODs surpass 600k views , by your logic would that mean that theyre view boting ?

For HoloEn there was that UNO collab where the video has nearly 1M views , and thats way before most of them reached 1M subs.

most people tune in major collabs , big event collabs , and chose to skip overly normal streams/superchat reading streams.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 08:08:43 2021 No.4333275 >>4320155 Wow! You’re such a cool and unique individual, anon.

Anonymous Sat May 29 08:11:07 2021 No.4333316
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>>4333068
>>4332993
Cherrypicked pictures are the biggest cope, anyone can do that
Even Botan who far from the bigger Hololive, was featured in esport events, watame on national TV etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 08:12:13 2021 No.4333345 >>4333190 Big yes, but bigger? There is no factual indication of that. Every time people bring up anecdotal evidences.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 08:14:39 2021 No.4333396 >>4328359 You’re a moron. They all had experience in one way or another. Mori at performing, ina at art, and people often forget that Kiara was an actual idol before hololive.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 08:22:11 2021 No.4333578 >>4333316 >Botan >esport events no fucking shit she would be featured there

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 08:22:28 2021 No.4333582 >>4320309 Man, that could have been Watson. Shit, in the thread for her debut stream everyone was spamming 'boring' and all that shit. Then she tripped balls.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 08:26:32 2021 No.4333691 >>4332186 Civia had to stop streaming for a while because California was on fire. That’s probably what you’re thinking about

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 08:51:49 2021 No.4334558 >>4332415 Oh, only 38 to check out. That makes it easier.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 09:18:16 2021 No.4335159 nijien failing already?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 09:19:48 2021 No.4335191 >>4333691 >California was on fire Pretty sure she stopped streaming on Youtube for a while because of the Taiwan arc

Anonymous Sat May 29 09:20:54 2021 No.4335209

>>4333691
>>4335191
No she stopped streaming on youtube because when she did she'd get bombarded with political questions. Then the taiwan arc started.
It's kinda hilarious how the only two streams she ever did on Youtube is her debut and her graduation.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 09:22:41 2021 No.4335251 >>4319508 nothing they're cool

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 09:22:43 2021 No.4335253 >>4335159 Always has been

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 09:26:13 2021 No.4335346 >>4335209 She did 4 streams Debut Chatting Mario Odyssey Graduation

Anonymous Sat May 29 09:28:10 2021 No.4335396

I didn't think Niji EN would explode in popularity but I thought they would make a bigger splash than they have. Only 3 (so far) vtubers in this gen, and they were the easiest to guess low hundreds viewer indies on the speculation list. No surprises, no one outside conventional reincarnated vtubers, not even any males to add something unique to Nijisanji. I don't know what they can do from this point on. They're not going to get any good recruits for future gens, no one except very small streamers will want to sign up to get 1-3k viewers and toss Niji 30% or whatever of that for the privilege. Everyone will just wait it out for Holo EN 3.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 09:34:43 2021 No.4335514 nothing genuinely think hololive would be on the same boat if Miko didnt play GTA and/or said what she did

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 09:36:09 2021 No.4335550 >>4335514 It wasn't just Miko's nigger clip though. Several members like Fubuki and Korone had varying degrees of overseas popularity already. Miko was a big one aswell but not the only factor.

Anonymous Sat May 29 09:37:49 2021 No.4335589
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>>4332935
By Google.
Actually, I don't know if this is a completely even comparison because I'm getting no data for "にじさんじ" as a web search and there's no "Hololive/ホロライブ" as a topic, but "Nijisanji" as a topic wins against both "ホロライブ" as a web search and the suggested "Hololive Production" as a company.

Anonymous Sat May 29 09:40:30 2021 No.4335646

I want to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they intended to start slow and build a steady fanbase instead of competing in the 'going viral' route, a route which Hololive English cornered.
Which of the two branches has a longer shelf life only time will tell.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 09:40:45 2021 No.4335651 >>4335589 NOOOO DELET THIS KEEP COUNTING!

Anonymous Sat May 29 09:40:48 2021 No.4335652

When Cover says they expected EN to do numbers like the ID branch this is what they meant. This was probably their floor of "it's still viable". Of course they were formulating all this before Fubuki/Korone/Matsuri/Miko/Coco clips starting blowing up on Youtube, but that was the initial expectation and it was probably correct, at the time.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 09:42:54 2021 No.4335693 >>4319556 Imagine think Kiara, Gura, and Ame got popular because of talent.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 09:44:43 2021 No.4335740 >>4335652 EN auditions started when Korone's chats was already half EOP.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 09:44:45 2021 No.4335742 >>4319895 Por supuesto, acaso eres retrasado?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 09:45:13 2021 No.4335750 File: 156 KB, 1188x1222, 059h0pwsnmv009sejt4w0439n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4335589 For comparison purposes: worldwide search stats, english above, japanese below. I'm not invested in this but it is interesting.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 09:45:48 2021 No.4335764 >>4335693 Cunny is a talent Too many vtubers out there with loli models but not playing the loli role Gura knows her role and plays it excellently

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 09:47:28 2021 No.4335794 >>4335750 Holoshit really is for EOPs only lol

Anonymous Sat May 29 09:48:39 2021 No.4335815

>>4335740
Auditions yes, but not the initial concept. That was probably at least a full year before. Obviously anyone with a brain would have revised the estimates after that got talents like Gura and artists like Huke on board and saw clips proliferating and EOP flooding into the JP chats, so I don't think at that point anyone was expecting ID numbers anymore.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 09:50:19 2021 No.4335865 >>4335764 Yeah nothing is worse than having a loli avatar voice by someone who cannot pull off the loli voice. Like Kyuutto for instance.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 09:51:56 2021 No.4335903 >>4335815 HoloEN talents themselves talked about expecting ID numbers and I don't mean ID2. Are you saying they are retarded?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 09:51:57 2021 No.4335904 >>4319508 The best way to describe it is Hololive is anime characters streaming. NijiSanji is real people streaming with an anime avatar

Anonymous Sat May 29 09:54:52 2021 No.4335986

>>4335865
>Kyuutto
What a whiplash that debut was. Though with a voice like hers no role was going to fit, she's just cursed.
Ichika is another one with an awful voice that can't fit anything but she has something else going for her and I think she only does streaming as a side gig, she doesn't try to live off of it.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 09:55:02 2021 No.4335992 >>4330827 So it’s fine when Mouse does it or...?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 09:56:12 2021 No.4336022 >>4335992 Mouse will actually burst into gore if you so much as ejaculate in her general direction.

Anonymous Sat May 29 09:56:18 2021 No.4336025

>>4335986
She could've gone with a regular schoolgirl avatar and it would've fit infinitely better than her current avatar. Then again the only reason we are even talking about her is because of her loli avatar so I suppose it must have worked on some level.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 10:01:53 2021 No.4336183 >>4335589 >>4335750 Damn. I can't wait to see how the ESL falseflaggers will spin this into something completely retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 10:01:58 2021 No.4336185 >>4335750 >>4335589 shit evidence no one takes google seriously

Anonymous Sat May 29 10:02:49 2021 No.4336217

>>4335764
Literally 90% of her hype came from design then Reddit dumbasses kept making memes because of a shark girl. No idea where you getting “plays loli roll right” from she barely does any of the shit that “lolis” do. Someone asked her to say onii Chan and she spazed out.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 10:04:33 2021 No.4336275 >>4336217 HoloEnfags are delusional who genuinely think their girls are talented and not just generic western women carried by their brand name. Everytime I try watching their stream they barely talk and when they do talk it's mind numbingly dull

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 10:04:39 2021 No.4336277 >>4336185 Sounds like you're coping hard holofag

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 10:04:45 2021 No.4336280 >>4336217 correct, baby shark is a weirdly popular meme song... gura just happens to fit in that just like how sneed n feed is popular in here.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 10:07:38 2021 No.4336395 >>4336217 Initial hype boosting her I can concede, but she hasn't sputtered out like Shartemis did after the initial wave of hype

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 10:11:10 2021 No.4336547 >>4336395 Shart had like 1/10 of HoloEN's debut viewers and is still one of the biggest indies around despite being absolutely talentless shit who streams last year's fotm twice a week. If anything, he is a proof that initial hype is 90% of success.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 10:18:46 2021 No.4336839 >>4336395 You could tell Artemis was gonna fail at her debut she was boring then kept being boring for every stream. Her boost is being gay if she was straight she’s have even less. You can’t get Twitter likes from saying “I’m straight.”

Anonymous Sat May 29 10:20:18 2021 No.4336916

>>4335903
Fake humble, self-confidence issues, or actually retarded. I don't think Gura would have even signed up for ID numbers. Kiara would have, but only streamed occasionally like her original plan was. Ina would have because she just wanted to be a part of it. Mori would have because she only really cares about the music part. Ame would have because it would have still been an improvement for her.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 10:21:27 2021 No.4336965 >>4336547 I dunno if I'd call Artemis "successful" at this point. Have you seen the numbers on the birthday stream? Those subs are deader than Ai's.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 10:23:12 2021 No.4337038 >>4336395 Artemis, aside from having a voice of questionable gender identity, was also low energy, disorganized, and even outright bored during the debut.

Anonymous Sat May 29 10:25:05 2021 No.4337090

>>4336965
How many indies do you think consistently get 20k views on their VODs? Shart fucked up literally everything he could and he is still ahead of 99.9% actually talented and hard working people in the scene simply because he debuted at the same time as the other shark and posts gay shit on twitter.

Anonymous Sat May 29 10:28:44 2021 No.4337222

>>4337090
Nah it was the cool design, low awareness of indie vtubers amongst the initial wave of Holo EN fans, and self-advertising on other people's streams. Not just "be a shark". There's a couple other shark vtubers on twitch no one gives a shit about. Trying to create a big hype moment around some indie today is a whole lot different then it was back then, it's just not gonna happen no matter your gimmick because the EN market has subsided somewhat and become crowded on top of that.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 10:29:16 2021 No.4337243 File: 24 KB, 1113x261, EbMBtcwUYAI4bJU.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4329876

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 10:35:12 2021 No.4337478 >>4335750 Jesus I'm not feeling optimistic.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 10:38:35 2021 No.4337642 >>4337478 The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. You wouldn't be optimistic if you were a holofag back in 2019 and yet here we are.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 11:04:16 2021 No.4338729 >>4323978 Don't like 80% of holos get lower numbers than that?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 11:06:42 2021 No.4338824 >>4338729 Those are not successful.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 11:21:00 2021 No.4339452 >>4329975 The fun thing is that they actually tried to beat Holo to the ounch by rebranding NijiIN to NijiEN roght after Cover announced EN, but people saw what they were doing and turns out people don't like being pandered to by bunch of poo in loos

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 11:27:17 2021 No.4339740 >>4339452 I wouldn't call 3 chuubas streaming once a week "a bunch". Renaming them EN and expecting it to do anything was retarded but the branch was dead in the water in the first place.

Anonymous Sat May 29 11:50:25 2021 No.4340567

I haven't really kept up with them but how much content have they been releasing? According to what I've heard one has a full time job and the other can only stream for 2 hours so that could be a major factor. If Niji's strategy was to higher a couple part timers than of course they wouldn't be able to keep up with Holo EN. Now that I think about it is there a single holo who has another job that isn't streaming?

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