Hot take: HoloEN viewership is down because their content is fucking dogshit

[Anonymous No.]

Most HoloEN girls are not nearly good enough entertainers to play the kind of games they play.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
>theyre bad because they don't cater to my exact tastes
Whatever you say faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313

[Anonymous No.]

so do you simply just want an endless supply of one offs or something? because I hate to break it to you, but that's not really a feasible option.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
Calm down intern kun, pomu already explain that fucked up is not from "covid"

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
> let’s remove everything step by step
> oh no there’s zero content now!
Dumbass

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
ADHD zoomer thread, OP should take his med. And i mean cianure.

[Anonymous No.]

These threads convince me that there is legit astroturfing going on, for whatever cause. Who the hell would spend their time making a chart this retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

OK nijizhang

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
did you actually spend the time to make this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
BASED
having a laff at these EN fart huffers atm theyre nothing more than cockroaches that will consume literately anything you drop in front of them

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
fauna mumei and bea still dominating
the trinity of holoEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
It was hot when I took your ass last night tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337402
"Exact tastes" ?
>no minecraft
>no shitRPGs
>no braindead grinding
>no kusoges (they don't have the charisma to carry it)
>no supa readings
>no 100-part series of the same games everybody has played (which are mostly JRPGs)
This is all indisputably low-effort content that a majority of this board is tired of, though. The only exception would be long series CAN be fun, but nobody will bother getting into them once they've missed the first few streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
>Hot take
Hello giftcarder. Thanks for exposing yourself. Hell this may even actually be one of the talents themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
In the last two seasons, Mahomes has a TD% of 8.68%. However, the league average last year was 4.8%. If you adjust his TD% to 5%, still above LA, he goes from throwing 57 TDs in his last 18 games to only 32.85. I'll be generous and give him 33.

Now, let's adjust his passer rating. It goes from 116.5 to only 104.3 by just adjusting his TD% to normally above average. Later on, I will adjust it further to take yards into account.

Next, we have to account for him passing more than league average. He has 657 pass attempts over 18 games. The LA is 35.5/game, which equals 639, around a 2.7% reduction. Mahomes also has a flukey 9.01 Y/A, which can be adjusted to 8 (still above LA) based on the league average of 7.5. So we can estimate that over a 16 game season, his adjusted yardage is (6397.5)/18*16= 4544 yards.

Now, I will adjust his passer rating again based on these 16 game stats 4544 yards 639 attempts 426 completions (also adjusted) After this, his passer rating bottoms out at 96.66, which lands him squarely between Dak Prescott and Ben Roethlisberger last year.

His final 16 game adjusted stats: 4544 yards / 639 ATT / 426 CMP / 66.7% CMP (same) / 33 TD / 12 INT (same) / 8 Y/A / 96.7 RATE

What does this tell us? It tells us that Mahomes' perceived success in the league is largely inflated by unsustainable, wildly outlier stats in his 18 games as perceived elite talent. When you adjust for the future by bringing down his outlier stats, he regresses heavily to a slightly above average QB of 2018 Dak tierdom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
"If you remove the long running games, the popular games, and the meme games, plus the chatting streams there's not much content. I am very smart."

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337811
>restaurant serves exclusively shit cuisine
>I don't like shit cuisine
>"well you can't rule out the entire menu anon, what a dumbass"

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
Hello enna, hope you don't get a stroke sperging in vt all day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
Idk OP I think you could've spend your time better with literally anything else...

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337734
Retard do you not know what watching a vod is

[Anonymous No.]

Why does it always come back to food analogies with /v/ermin?

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
>nijikek deflection thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
How is this any different than HoloJP? Fuck, how is this any different from ANY Vtuber? It sounds more like a (You) issue than them OP.
Maybe Vtubers ain't meant to be your hobby.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337910
When your argument amounts to
>Your point is invalid, anybody can watch 500 VODs of Ina playing Elden Ring and have a great time
you've already lost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337619
Keep my fren out of your retarded shitposting you stupid nigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
>remove whatever you deem a "kusoge" or "mindless grind game"
>remove supacha reading but keep zatsudans
>remove long running series for no fucking reason
yeah no shit theres not a lot there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
>Actually most JRPGs make for bad streaming content
I cordially invite you to kiss my ass, I wish more of EN and ID played JRPGs

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337734
> indisputably
source
>a majority of this board
source
>nobody will bother
source

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
No it's because of males and their cocksuckers like Bae and Kronii. They are a mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>>42338109
Bro, it's not like it's an infinite length game, and there aren't that many vods. It sounds to me that you want to watch someone that you can just drop in with 0 investment in anything they do and then leave whenever to do it again. Basically, you are not the target audience for corpo vtubers. No need for you to stick around, I'm sure you could just go to a normie streamer instead instead of a vtuber. Nothing wrong with that, but there's no need to force your wants and culture on ours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42338109
That doesn't even make sense, for a point to be invalid you have to make a coherent point in the first place, which so far you haven't even. You just keep replying to people saying YOU LOST.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
>HoloEN... that's a lot of streams :D
Alright, got me

[Anonymous No.]

>>42338226
Not just that, there are even certain JP members who are deathly afraid of touching JRPGs because they are worried their audience will start to tune out after Part 4 of a game that takes dozens of hours to complete.
It's really a shame, one of my favorite 'sagas' was watching Subaru fall in love with FF7. It'd be neat to see if others had the same experience with it (or a similar revelation with a JRPG).

[Anonymous No.]

>>42338109
Other anons have already given you the Good long explanation answers, so I'll just give you this instead

"You're weaker than a slug and will never accomplish anything with your insignificant life"
Now Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
someone spent time making this

[Anonymous No.]

The actual reason is that Gura stopped streaming and everyone else declined along with her since she carried the branch. Even JPs suffered from this. Everyone's VOD views went down as Gura streamed less. Clips, fan animations, VOD views, everything went down. If Gura had capitalized on her fame, she'd probably be closer to 10 mil subs by now unironically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42338144

Braindead grind games:
>Rust (solo)
>Apex (solo)
>Valorant
>Overwatch (solo)
>CS:GO
>Fortnite (solo)
>Jump King
>Vampire Survivors
>Powerwash Simulator
>Holocure
>Delivering Hope
>Getting Over It
>Super Auto Pets
>Fall Guys (without KFP)

Kusoges:
>All Chilla's art
>Trombone Champ
>Yaso
>Glover

Are you telling me you enjoyed any of this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>42338231
>nobody will bother
>source
fucking look at the numbers for any long-running JRPG series, lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>42338934
Chilla's Art games are a 'good' bad; don't tell me you haven't had a similar experience with friends having a marathon of bad movies that you enjoy. Oh wait how presumptuous of me, you probably never had more than 1 friend...at most.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42338989
Back to numberfagging, go back to your thread

[Anonymous No.]

None of them are for actually properly watching unless they play a game that's actually good, which is extremely fucking rare. It's a good stream to actually watch when the game is good and the one streaming actually enjoys it, which again, is EXTREMELY rare. Vtubers are generally for leaving on in the background, not to sit down and watch religiously. For that, dudes on twitch are still the kings. Either because they provide good competitive gameplay, technical stuff, you name it. Vtubers don't offer any of that, male or females, which is why you won't get that from the homos either. I'd sooner watch a dude on twitch speedrun the original FF7 than to watch a homo play minecraft, for example. Similarly, you reserve your full attention for events that warrant it, like concerts and such which don't happen all that often. Otherwise they're all just background noise and you maybe laugh at something they say once every few hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42338934
Yes, because I love Hololive.
Any other questions?

[Anonymous No.]

>>42338231
>>42339113
>"you don't have proof"
>posts proof
>"fucking numberfag"

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
>Get the most viewers when playing Minecraft
>durr let's start by removing Minecraft
You're too retarded to live.

[Anonymous No.]

>watching vtubers for the games
I will never understand the mindset of a twitchkiddie.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm sorry fellow ENbros but I just have to agree. The charm and uniqueness has been sapped out of it, these girls are just boring to watch. They really can't carry streams. Again, sorry you like to watch shitty content. If you're truly bored try watching those videos where the dude mows someone's lawn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42339239
>Vtubers are generally for leaving on in the background, not to sit down and watch religiously. For that, dudes on twitch are still the kings
Yeah, this is pretty much exactly my observation, and why I can't bring myself to watch vtubers anymore.
I don't want background noise, it only ends up being a distraction for whatever else I'm doing. I want somebody I can sit down and watch, but most of HoloEN puts me to sleep.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
ok but I like minecraft
ok but I like pokemon
ok but I like JRPGs
ok but I like mindless grind games
ok but I like kusoges
ok but I like superchat readings
ok but I like super long running series

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
Is this the Israel-Palestine map visualized?

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
Faggots like you who only bring up problems without proposing solutions are pretty much destined to be losers for
life. Why don't you try telling us what they should be playing instead? Show everyone how braindead you really are,
2view.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
Question, What is the number of streams that have already been filtered by you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>42339510
who knew there was a big overlap between autistic kids who post on 4chan, and watching an anime girl fuck around in flatland for hours or grind for resources with the third worst toolset in the game

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
It's a known fact that most holo members were low 3views and some even 2views before holo. Their numbers are inflated mostly by the brand behind it and even most boring of girls would still pull a few thousands each stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>42339534
>EN
The content variety is actually worse on the JP end if you're going to go by a dumb metric like this, and you'd also nuke most of NijiEN and NijiJP too
Imagine nuking all of Pomu's Minecraft or all of Selen's Apex and then complaining when you took away some of their most popular content

[Anonymous No.]

>>42339777
>EN viewership is shit because Minecraft
>Minecraft is literally a megabuff to viewership
>durr ur autistic

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
Well they are good enough to get 3D concerts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42339239
This.
I don't watch actively homos, especially Niji homos, but I can't say I didn't stop what I was doing to watch Sonny play TF2, knowing his rm is one of the best players in the game. Technical prowess is a big part of what I consider thoroughly entertaining. So personality has to be really good if they don't have that (HoloEN have neither kek)

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
>remove jrpgs and kusoge

aaaaaaaaaaaaand filtered

[Anonymous No.]

>>42339711
The problem isn't with the game selection per se, but moreso that the games are incredibly bland on their own, and the girls are even blander.
Just look at zatsus. The girls don't have shit to talk about. They can't talk about their personal life, because somebody might get offended. They can't talk about world events, because somebody might get offended. They can't even talk about the entertainment industry, or mention any fucking brands, because, once again, somebody might get offended.
Some of them (such as Gura) are able to draw blood from a stone. Gura has the skills to make playing a boring funny while talking about basically nothing of substance. The others don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42340015
Personality is pretty much personal preference isn't it? I watch a few streamers in HoloEN and NijiEN because I like their personality.

[Anonymous No.]

I mean, pic rel was why I dropped Holo. That said, supachat readings are often decent listening content that I don'tmind seeing in a schedule (provided the chuuba is also freetalking and not just reading supachats)

[Anonymous No.]

>niji deflection thread #113567

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337734
>t that a majority of this board is tired of
okay but the users of this board are the lowest of the low viewers who have opinions that do not matter.
why would anyone ever listen to someone from here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>42340114
Gura is actually the worst offender of the lot so I'm shocked you use her as an example of someone entertaining. She's nothing special, she bores me to tears.

[Anonymous No.]

I can understand taking out superchat readings but most of the rest are just cope-and-seethe tier excuses. Especially when the title of the thread intends to make it about viewership, and Minecraft is the first thing removed. Like how retarded are you? Minecraft is easily the game with the highest viewership consistently across the board. I hate Pokemon so goddamn much but even then I consider them decent streams, especially Fauna's as she goes on fun tangents. And "mindless grind games that aren't JRPGS" is such a broad description that you may as well throw in every game that doesn't have the chuuba screaming constantly. This "graph" or whatever shit it is is so biased I'd take you more seriously if you just said "holoEN never streams lul" than post this joke of a jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>42338934
Irys makes Chillas Art games good. They're not really good outside of that though

[Anonymous No.]

>>42340257
>>42340114
(you)

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
>Applies several big retarded filters
>A whole 40% of the content gets a "pass"
Was this supposed to be an anti-post?

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337587
>speaking chinese
Kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>42339510
>>42339590
>>42339853
>>42339870
>>42340268
>t. how to get unironic Minecraft defenders

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
Can you do this with someone like Pekora Pomu? I'm curious

[Anonymous No.]

>>42340550
minecraft is just a background game for zatsus and collabs though. how do you even like vtubers if you can't watch minecraft?

[Anonymous No.]

>>42340550
i dont give a shit about the game itself but it's undeniable that it has the highest viewership rates anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>42340550
Minecraft is a zatsu stream game and HoloEN doesn't even play it that much
Just look at NijiEN in comparison

>number of minecraft streams on the en server post-server move (after 9/15/2022)
>19 Pomu
>16 Uki
>13 Aia
>10 Kyo
>6 Aster
>5 Alban, Maria, Hex
>4 Reimu
>3 Elira, Petra, Ike, Mysta, Vox, Doppio, Ver
>2 Rosemi, Millie, Luca, Meloco
>1 Nina, Ren, Kotoka

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337578
The new idol Jew-Corp would have the money to waste on something like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42340550
The problem isn't Minecraft itself. It's that there's thousands of fun ways to play it and they choose the most boring options.

I'd happily become a Minecraft zatsu defender too if they did shit like Hermitcraft or those big 100 player events, or shit even copy Dream's manhunt thing. Fucking hell, there isn't even a single "lava rises" challenge by any corpo chuuba. Shit is dire

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
>>42339239
Somebody please post that pic with Kiara tangenting over Elden Ring while the graynames go nuts.

Seriously, if the game selection matters so much then why even fucking bother with vtubers or any specific streamer in first place. Just pick whatever's high on the twitch directory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337774
Oh fuck you're gonna make me regress to the mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337774
Based r/NFL chad

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
>I removed all menu items that include beef, chicken, pasta, potatoes, cheese, bread as well as soft drinks and alcohol and there's barely anything left on the menu, wow this restaurant this shit
this is how retarded you sound

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
no one cares about you anon
we will watch what we like to watch
grow up and cry in corner

[Anonymous No.]

>>42340114
t. never watched a zatsu

[Anonymous No.]

>>42338989
>fucking look at the numbers for any long-running JRPG series, lol
And this is only a sample of some of the ones Subaru has done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42341364
Great, now post Kiara and Mori when they play JRPGs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42341521
You said -any-, you didn't specify EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42340550
If you’re going to argue that game selection affects viewership, you shouldn’t be saying they should stop playing the games that bring the most views. It undermines the whole argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42341576
You might've won this debate, but it won't bring back the enjoyment you used to have from watching EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
Wow if only they could have permissions for actual games!

[Anonymous No.]

>>42340550
You don't have to like minecraft, but it brings in the viewers across all branches. From a revenue perspective it's the best game for Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42341679
NTA but I still enjoy their streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>42340114
Gura is probably the most boring girl in Hololive when it comes to zatsus, anon.

[Ennas Bvll No.]

>>42339479
>Posts zero proof
>Pretends like they did
Why are you such a faggot? Subaru anon did however post proof after he came in your oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>42340114
This really strikes me as someone who doesn't watch Hololive at all and only knows about it vicariously through countermarketing memes about talent freedom and idol culture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42341903
I realize my post was poorly written and that might've led to some confusion. I didn't intend to refer to chatting streams when I said Gura could "draw blood from a stone". I was referring specifically to her ability to make bad games fun while being extremely limited in her conversation topics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42342011
Back to the numberfag thread with you too, faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337903
>enna having hateboner rn and starts schlicking her petit pussy while typing in /here/
Hot

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
There is no accounting for taste, it seems.

[Anonymous No.]

the only content I watch is watchalongs, ASMR, and karaoke
"game" streams are a waste of time

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
thats an incredible amount of effort that you could have spent doing anything else, like not being a disappointment to your parents. sasuga faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42343332
it's nothing compared to the amount of time most people on this board have spent watching superchat reading streams, or arguing with me

[Anonymous No.]

>>42343606
you're also wasting your time arguing by the looks of it, anyway why are you so concerned about how people are spending their free time or how they are being entertained, if you think they are just fools for spending their time in such a manner, let them be fools, who cares

[Anonymous No.]

>>42343903
>people shouldn't help each other, just let people self-destroy if that's what they want!
What a depressing view to hold.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42340550
I'm more amazed there are unironic Chilla's Art defenders. I can't even see it as B-movie schlock, it's just regular time-wasting schlock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42344003
>I'm more amazed there are unironic Chilla's Art defenders.
There aren't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42343989
destroy yourself in meaningless attempt to make everyone live life the way you want them to, it would make for good entertainment
I'll live my life unbothered by others choices unless those choices affect me or things I care about, I cannot afford to live my life constantly bothered over shit that doesn't affect me and that I can't change

[Anonymous No.]

>>42344307
>I'll live my life unbothered by others choices unless those choices affect me or things I care about, I cannot afford to live my life constantly bothered over shit that doesn't affect me and that I can't change
False, you will live your life arguing with strangers on the internet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42344376
I'm not arguing with you, I'm telling you to keep doing what you want because I find it funny

[Anonymous No.]

>>42338325
Nobody replying to me because I'm right huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
This is the most schizo thing I've seen posted in ages, congradulations

[Anonymous No.]

>>42344003
>>42344049
I think if it was anything but horror genre then I would agree with you but even if poorly done horror games can still scratch that itch just for the reaction of the girls streaming it. It's like making your friend watch a horror movie even if its complete shit just to freak them the fuck out and laugh your ass off at them when they piss themselves and start screaming at you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42344003
>>42344049
Chilla's Art is a great filter, if your oshi can't make it work she sucks and if you can't enjoy you it get over yourself. Simple, unique, short content, it's easy to have an entertaining stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42344307
>destroy yourself in meaningless attempt to make everyone live life the way you want them to, it would make for good entertainment
Your seethe makes for great entertainment right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42341364
Subaru is a grade-A entertainer and no one in holoEN comes even close, if anything she's proof that people that can't carry JRPGs are objectively bad streamers

[Anonymous No.]

Then why does ironmouse beat some of them if her content is dogshit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337587
Cherry on top is that Selen herself is a chink that relies on fotm shit, arguments that are basically cheap shots, and most basic multiplayer goyslop that is played by literally anybody.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42340942
go back

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337876
>restaurant serves normal food
>has gluten, peanut and shellfish allergy
well, sucks for you lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
Jokes is on you. They dont even stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
I applaud at your dedication and autism but you're also a faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42340114
They can't talk about their personal life, because somebody might get offended. They can't talk about world events, because somebody might get offended. >They can't even talk about the entertainment industry, or mention any fucking brands, because, once again, somebody might get offended.
Good job admiting that you do not watch HoloEN, now go neck yourself retard

Kiara literally proves you fucking wrong, since she does talk about her famly and personal life, oh let me guess you actually believe the lies from the Dexerto interview with Silvervale?

[Anonymous No.]

>>42349286
Because the lowest common denominator irony poisoned Redditors thinks watching le make a wish foundation VTuber reacting to YouTube videos makes them better people, also they like Trash Taste

[Anonymous No.]

>>42344049
I am. I've always loved itch.io kusoge, even before the lowpoly horror kusoge trend.
Plus, good vtubers can make it a really fun stream, since they're essentually the protagonists of a B-tier horror movie.
Better than *spits* minecraft

[Anonymous No.]

>>42339711
>They can't talk about their personal life
But they do.
>They can't talk about world events
What world events? Elections, war? They're probably not interested. I sure as fuck am not.
>They can't even talk about the entertainment industry
They talk about TV shows and movies all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42340257
>>42341903
I personally don't watch zatsus much and avoid SC readings, but if we go by numbers...
Gura has really good viewer retention for part C's (post-game chat) as seen in her last stream to have such
So clearly the bulk of her typical viewers like her zatsus and/or SC reading
And well, since she's the most popular chuuba in the EN scene by a wide margin, she naturally has the most popular zatsus

[Anonymous No.]

>>42337313
>let's remove this because I don't like it
Sounds like a (You) problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>42339596
Hey anon, I kind of thought this post was a little humourous and I want you to know it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>42345355
So every chuuba in Hololive sucks because i have never seen an entertaining stream from it. Noted.