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https://twitter.com/tomopulse

This one actually had an amogus collab with nyaru last night too.

They leave one interesting message for vtubers and agencies though.

>> No.42060063

>>42059958
Who?

>> No.42060067

>>42059958
>Shriayuri, RealCorp and Amber Glow
Wait a minute, i know at least a couple vtubers on all those agencies.

>> No.42060378

I'm new
What does an agency offer to an indie? Collabs with other streamers, ok. Also music connections if the the vtuber wants to use streaming as a stepping stone, ok I get it. But anything else?

>> No.42060397

>>42059958
>Be unexciting
>Do nothing fans asked for
>WHY ARE WE DYING?
Every fucking time

>> No.42060743

>>42059958
>collabing with the obese brown girl
Deserved

>> No.42061011

>>42060378
HoloLive spends pretty heavily on concerts and festivals and that sort of thing, and they also handle taxes (more annoying than you’d expect) and merch. I additionally feel like having management around is a good thing because a lot of these girls are in their early 20s and will yab themselves to death if left to their own devices.

>> No.42061139

>>42061011
there’s also brand partnerships and management and advertising, which the streamers may or may not have a good grasp on by themselves. overall, more useful the bigger you become

>> No.42061261

>>42059958
FLaVR might outlive many micro corpos...

>> No.42061723

>>42060378
Depends, but if it's the juggernaut like Holo, Niji, or even Vshojo, the branding alone should be the biggest pros from joining them, anything else are just bonuses that come naturally from being in actual "professional" setting.

>> No.42061817
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42061817

>>42059958
The one choosing to graduate is a huge phase connect fan by the way so she probably is just going to apply for Gen 3.

https://twitter.com/ClaudiaKatsu/status/1620194137793495040
https://twitter.com/luuna_mi/status/1618382440237760513

>> No.42061946

>>42061817
>Due to my decline in both psychical and mental health
She's in

>> No.42062143

>>42059958
>People don't like to talk about this, but for the sake of all those who would enter this industry without knowing, it needs to be said. It needs to be heard.
The fact that most small businesses fail is pretty common knowledge already. If someone starts a business without keeping this in mind before they begin they get what they deserve.

>> No.42066325

>>42059958
>Has male
>Fail

>> No.42068401

>>42059958
>Founders of top agencies have stated publicly that they may never recover their initial investments.
Holo did. Niji did. VShojo did (if they even had any, not sure how it worked with them). Vspo! did. 774 did. Phase did. Idol probably did too, by now. Who are these other "top agencies" who haven't then?

>> No.42068539

QRD

>> No.42068949

My twitter account where I repost vore art I like has more followers than this. These guys just suck. It sounds like they sunk four/five digit sums into 0views just praying it would work out and they'd get a revenue stream with nothing to suggest that would be the case.

>> No.42069069

>>42059958
They don't have a mindshare pie in here. That's why they fail

>> No.42069075

>>42059958
These are not even small corpos, these are micro corpos. Or maybe the ones we refer as "Small corpos" should actually be called something else when there's agencies like these around

>> No.42069362

>>42059958
literally who

>> No.42074340

>>42059958
They think they're a top agency

>> No.42074860

>>42061946
My thoughts exactly. Schizobros eating fine these days.

>> No.42075426

>>42060378
Basically you can have them handle everything else outside of your stream content or anything that really requires you directly. This means getting sponsorships, hiring managers, making merch, organizing projects, etc.

>> No.42075605

>>42061261
because it was banking on that meme pippa created that's why it even gained traction in the first place. without the pink rabbit label, they'll just get cancelled by tumblr artists for stealing art.

>> No.42083752

>>42068401
Probably the once that have shut down don't really know what defines a top agency tho holo and niji are in a different plane of existance when compared to all others that are active right now

>> No.42083952

>>42059958
Scary desu.
Does anyone know what costs kind of costs these companies have that end up sinking them? Why does this happen?

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42084986

>>42074860

>> No.42088381

>>42059958
who?

>> No.42088475

>>42084986
>reee you are begging for those 1views and you are very serious about it
Get over yourself.

>> No.42089815

>>42059958
well deserved

>> No.42091949

>>42061261
>riding on pippa's coattails
>using AI art, no money needed
they are playing smart, but that also kills their credibility

>> No.42092020

>>42060378
A pre-existing fanbase, you're guaranteed to get at least some viewers who are fans of the brand.

>> No.42092053

>>42091949
They are shitposters not a corpo

>> No.42092711

>>42091949
>credibility
I don't think that's a real thing. At least not the version you're talking about.

>> No.42092889

>>42083952
Debuts probably take the biggest chunk:
Model art, rigging, layouts, song cover. That's already a couple of thousands for each talent, and if they are terminal 2views that never get monetized you will never make that investment back.

>> No.42092977

>>42092711
exactly my point >>42092053

>> No.42093088

>>42083952
>>42092889
What do you idiots think staff gets paid with? And why is the average vtuber CEO just as stupid as you are?

>> No.42093228

>>42093088
Maybe you should start your company then.

>> No.42093310

>>42091949
Not my heckin cred bro
Not my big chungus crederino
How will people take me seriously as an anime girl on the internet?

>> No.42093818

>>42061817
So SHE is the one who drew all the good Sakana fanart.

>> No.42093916

>>42068401
>Phase did. Idol probably did too, by now.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Running an agency costs a lot and revenue isn't that high for companies. Every donation for example gets reduced by YouTube, the talent's share and taxes. So for a 10 Euro donation, only like 2 Euro might go to the agency.

>> No.42094088

>>42060067
I'm amazed Amber Glow are still running. Them and 4V. Xiulan seems to be the flagship these days for Amber Glow which isn't really much of a surprise. Curious as to why she hasn't gone indie yet.

>> No.42094922

>>42068401
>>42093916
All their talents were single digit CCV chuubas.
That guy is just making excuses over how hard running a vtuber corpo is when he should have worried about not being a complete failure instead.

>> No.42095876

>>42094922
>All their talents were single digit CCV chuubas.
Isn't that basically the whole point he is making? The VTuber market is incredibly oversaturated, so any new agency will have a very hard time succeeding.

>> No.42095883

Tsunderia closed business less than a week ago and all their talents are doing possibly better than they did for months already, but these guys i have no idea who the fuck were

>> No.42095958

>>42060378
Marketing/branding, backend support (managers and other staff), assistance procuring sponsorships and producing merchandise. The smaller and less well funded the company the less robust these services will be.

>> No.42096024

>>42061011
Hololive does not handle your taxes, the girls all have their own personal tax accountants. At least in EN. ID/JP might be able to all agency due to their geographical proximity, but I don't know if they are or not. Even then Reine's taxes are going to be vastly different than Anya or Noel and Aki. A ton of the girls have income from side stuff.

>> No.42096063

Amber Glow reference...was this a flip company? Seems like a few of them have gone belly up in the last 6 months.

>> No.42096115

>>42075605
It's still impressive that Sena hit 3view status based on that alone.

>> No.42096354

>>42075605
You overstimate first how relevant Pippa is and second how much people care about muh AI done

>> No.42098176

>>42095876
Idol was a low 2view corpo, for many this agency was already dead and had little to no hope left but still managed to climb up the ranks with their EN branch which is mid 3view and some of their talents reach 4view from time to time, despite this so called oversaturation, If anything this goes to show that investing in exposure when you have decent chuubas backing that up does pay off

>> No.42098407

>>42098176
This just proves that to be successful a vtuber agency needs leadership that's at the very least halfway decent. If you look at the agencies that failed they had extremely incompetent CEOs

>> No.42101687

>>42059958
rip

>> No.42101874

>>42098407
No, it proves that to be successful as a vtuber agency you need a giant amount of capital.

>> No.42101923

>>42101874
You think Tsunderia didn't have the funds to run youtube adverts for their talents?

>> No.42101964

>>42060378
A model, have you noticed how almost all corpo vtubers either had no degrees or degrees in feminist basketweaving?
Most of them wouldn't have been able to afford a model.

>> No.42101976

>>42101923
They didn't even have funds to pay staff.

>> No.42102035

>>42101976
More like PPP pissed off the staff by doing nothing so they left.

>> No.42102044

>>42101923
Their funds most have dried up ages ago.

>> No.42102200

>>42102044
That's on them for being handed several golden geese and not doing anything with them.

>> No.42102232

>>42101923
They had funds but went to waste due to bad management

>> No.42102258

>>42102232
Which goes back to having incompetent leadership.

>> No.42102276

>>42060378
The jew corp gives you access to the S+ tier jew lawyers perk

>> No.42107221

>>42102276
Why would a vtuber want/need lawyers in the first place? Unless you're out there looking for trouble or something. I can't recall a single Vtuber who has needed these services in the industry

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42110479

>>42059958
This is going to keep happening as venture capital dries up. No more cheap loans as interest rates keep climbing, and so investors will start only putting money into profit generating businesses. Small chuuba agencies don't really generate much revenue against the up front costs. The era of small corpos is quite literally coming to an end. We'll only see self-funded indies and large corpos soon, with a few small corpos that have already carved out a niche like Phase Connect. Expect new talent hiring to be more spaced out, too.

>> No.42110719
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42110719

>>42060378
>But anything else?

Brand clout that gives you an automatic headstart in terms of subscribers/viewerships. Also you get more help at resolving copyright/community guideline strikes at youtube because they have insider connections.

>> No.42112319

>>42061011
Since vtubers are sole proprietors and not employees of a company, taxes are handled on an individual basis. While it is possible to get a referral to a tax attorney, the application is done by the individual. many vtubers have stated that they file their own tax returns each year.

>> No.42114284

>>42110479
Yes and it doesn't really help that there's more and more a "template" for this format of streaming so it's harder and harder to bring in new fans without alienating the core audience.

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