EN sub growth is dead in the water

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>>41577247

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The only ENs who deserve to grow are Kiara, Fauna, and Irys. The rest are mediocre, lazy, or both.

[Anonymous No.]

>people still subbing to sanner after graduation

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>>41577247
Why should I care about subs when most ENs can't even get 10k ccv without buff streams?

[Anonymous No.]

What's going on with kiara

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>>41577471
too many filters

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>>41577247
Wanna see something funny? Most of ID and some of the Stars are beating EN in subs growth.

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>>41577247
Now post the Tempus chart

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>>41577655
that's because they stream and are not Kiara

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>>41577247
wtf happened to kiara and irys? Aren they the most active?

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>>41577685
>>41577655
Right here king, looks like Altare has beaten all of the girls.

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>>41577247
I'm sure more boys will change that

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>>41577782
IRyS is permasick, she had to chain 2-3 breaks last month.

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>>41577823
>none of the homos has reached even 250k
lemao

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>>41578123
your oshi will never stream again, chumbud

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>>41578295
my oshi isn't vesper though

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>>41577718
>and are not Kiara
Want sub growth? Just follow this ONE simple rule

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>>41578334

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>>41577247
hololive is stagnating because they don't have anything that other groups or even indies don't also have.
despite being the biggest most well known and successful group, they don't have the best quality models with the most options.
despite being the biggest most successful group they don't have much or any unique content
they can't even get their talents to put thought or effort into their content for most of the time.
I guess most of these ladies are happy to just coast along on the guaranteed profit that comes with simply being associated with the brand.
they have all the opportunities and they take advantage of none of them.

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>>41578852
They are 100% coasting because management has proven too obtuse to work with.

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>>41577289
NOOOOOO MY RUSHI

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>>41577584
>too many filters
wawa...

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>>41577380
These are all just above-average women who sit around and play video games (poorly) for a living. They deserve less than what they have, not more.

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>>41577247
>>41577655
>Sana has more growth than Kiara

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>>41577247
All of hololive and nijisanji deserve death. They both stream the same 10 games for over 2 years.

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>>41577247
>Ina
Bots

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>>41577247
Something is definetly not right with this and Kiara channel, it's impossible to have 0 0 0

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>>41579115
>impossible
Once you get past 1 mil the counter moves up by increments of 10 000.
All this means is Kiara did not reach the next 10k threshold last month.
Keep in mind channels both gain new subs and lose old ones, in varying ratios.

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>>41577247
>all vtubing is hololive

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>>41577247
Very accurate and not scuffed graph
rumao

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>>41577655
Altare has been the most stable in streaming. Early on he was even doing two streams a day regularly. Good for him.

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The only reason EN ever popped off as hard as they did with their sub growth is because of Gura. The decline in growth happened with the decline of Gura's growth. ID is also got a big boast thanks to Kobo but it's also on the decline now.

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>>41577380
It's always funny when people list who are the good EN's and then their list includes people who are best described by the same things they write off everyone else with.

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>>41577471
She's kiara

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>>41577471
Youtube doesn't show exact sub counts so for Myth they either grow by 10,000 or 0 per month. Even if one of them actually had 9999 and the other had 10,001. While Council will never hit a million so their sub count is tracked by the thousands.

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>>41577655
>A 6 month old dead channel got more subs than Kiwawa...

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Hololive En is just Gura + friends/associates
Without Gura its doomed

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>>41577247
Kronii going strong

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>>41577471
She's streaming JP hours rn

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>>41578334
Oh shit

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HoloEN is stagnating because they're all a group of lone wolfs who rarely fucking do stuff together.
No one wants to plan or do fun collabs or anything.
There's no mini units like miComet/SMOK to gain interest or get people excited.

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>>41578852
Also there is nothing to get excited for. Like big collab tournaments or 3D live shit like JP get.

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>>41578993
If she ever drops the voice I'll sub

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>>41579720
Kiara could've gotten 8k subs last month and it wouldn't register in the chart.
She couldn't have gotten more than 10k, though.

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>>41577247
As you can see with Ame in the 7 day and all the Myth except Kiara, once you reach 1M, the growth only shows up in 10k increments. It's not surprising that the Myth girls aren't seeing jumps weekly.

The Councilrys girls are are still seeing weekly growth so again, your argument is invalid.

The only one not growing is Kiara, but she's shit so it's understandable she's not going to grow. rrat harder

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>>41577247
what is there to grow in EN? better yet, the fact that this board is bitching weekly shows how retarded this board is.

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>>41579888
>get
JP organize and pay for those things themslves. ID does more than EN because they care more despite being irrelevant.

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>>41577380
You cant compare irys and kiara. Irys doesn't even stream.
Kiara streams everyday. Produce a ton of songs. Collabs. Interact with fans on twitter.

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>>41577247
Time for Tempus 3

[Anonymous No.]

these oshiless behaviour is not right you know, numberniggers-kun.
also, please don't stare too long on number, it's not healthy for your mental

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>Kiara goes to Japan
>Collabs with JP
This is her mistake. Her base is EN so they cant really get much from her streams, secondly collabs could be done online. She would benefit more imo doing more concerts since she wanted to be an idol.

I'm hoping she will one day drop the chicken voice and give me the cute Austrian accent I desire.

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>>41579741
Kronii and Mumei have around the same sub growth with slight variations month by month. Fauna has had by far the most sub growth in EN for the past few months, and I think Bae is second fastest. I believe Ame is at the bottom, she didn't gain her 10k sub tick in over 3 months. IRyS got a brief sub boost with her redesign but after that her sub growth went back to being slower than the rest of Council

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>>41579954
None of those are numbers of a growing channel even at their most generous. Not that it matters, EN subs are dead subs and always have been. Hololive subs are inflated to begin with but EN's are always on the tier of people far below them in sub-count when compared to Hololive proper. ID's are actually similar.

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>>41577782
Irys is not active since october last year. She got a special friend now and does not bother anymore.

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>>41579970
Yeah, a big part of EN's downfall is being complacent. They don't even bother to organize big projects to get the fans excited.

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>>41580033
if the EN fans are that retarded then are they actual hololive fans? says a lot to me.

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Fauna....I'm coming Fauana

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>>41580033
A lot of those collabs weren't on her channel and the ones on her channel had terrible viewership compared to if they were on the other channel.

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>>41580165
They don't even participate in the ones organized for them.

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>>41580094
>tfw I share a name with that said friend

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>>41579954
Go to bed teakek

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>>41578852
The main thing is the music opportunities. If you want to make JP covers or original songs Cover is still the best option for EN VTubers. Also, they might not have the best models, but they get famous JP artists to design their models, which is pretty cool.

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>>41577655
Yeah holoEN didn't do as good as expected

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>>41577247
>sana gained more subs than kiara

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>>41577655
Coincidentally stars stream like 3x as much as the EN girls and many gen2/3 IDs stream 2x as much.

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>>41577247
Lots of people went back to just watching HoloJP, was watching Mr. Koro playing Street Fighter yesterday and the chat had lots of EOPs.

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>>41581573
IDs yes, Stars no except for regis

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>>41581697
>JP streams stuff, people get interested
>EN barely streams, people lose interest
novel fucking concept.

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>>41580092
1k - 4k people a week extra isn't growth? How fucking stupid are you? Any amount of gained subs is growth, period. You don't need 10k growth per stream for it to be growth. As I said, rrat harder.

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>>41577467
Because they aren't getting enough new blood to replace the audience they shed.

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>>41577655
GO ALTARE GO

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>>41577247
How do Gura, Ina and Mori do it?

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covid is gone and it is more difficult to get new westerners into the bubble.
do you... a) work extra hard, do your best to generate new hype and offer something new to stay relevant OR do you b) give up

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>>41582045
You don't need to pretend to be retarded. Dead channels can get that kinda "growth". Some of those channels are literally dead.

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>>41578852
>hololive is stagnating because they don't have anything that other groups or even indies don't also have.
Cover got complacent because the brand name carries them in Japan. They do the minimum possible for holoEN and it's causing fans to lose interest. The biggest event they did for them was holofes which was behind a $140 paywall. When the talents keep having projects canceled or shortened they have good reason to lose motivation. As for models the talents can't do anything except wait for the roll out of Live2D 3.0.

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>>41582578
then spend the money. you have 140 dollars right? you have a job and income? oh wait you don't. you're probably some shitty SEA slug who bitches and whines every fucking day because you didn't see gura constantly streaming when your household is screaming for you to do errands.

fuck you.

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>>41577247
>Kiara getting her ass beat by Sana
that has to hurt

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>>41583134
who is still going to that channel?

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>>41582578
Imagine complaining about not having 140 dollars to spend annually on a hobby and yet thinking you are worth catering to? The girls are in this for money and so is Cover. You are the only one who doesn't understand it's a business and that's why your opinion is irrelevant to the girls and Cover.

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>>41583322
140 to spend on a hobby, yes
140 to spend on a shitty kids' music concert? nah

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>>41583355
>140 to spend on a shitty kids' music concert? nah
congrats on being a fuckin retard. again, SEA tier behavior. maybe spend money on things you actually enjoy. you wanna see EN 3D? heres a reason to watch.

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>>41583410
>maybe spend money on things you actually enjoy
I do
>you wanna see EN 3D?
no

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>>41583455
then get out of this conversation then

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>>41583480
I like Hololive, I just don't care about their music

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>>41577655
ID is the future of Hololive.
5 years in the future EN will be irrelevant, JP going nowhere, but ID is going to be the biggest market.

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>>41583533
good morning sir

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>don't create content
>no one subs

Clippers have also unironically have sucked EN dry. They've long since crossed the threshold of being helpful and just drain casual viewers away.

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>>41577247
I wonder if Ina ghosting for months allowed kiara to make up any ground on her

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>>41583717
I see them desperately clipping old stuff from gura's corpse now with misleadi4s2pyng titles

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>>41583891
The lack of regular streams from most ENs have had clippers grasping for any content to scrape for months. It's honestly getting kind of sad to witness.

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>>41584076
They should clip IRyS or Kiara some other unpopular EN member with lots of long unclipped streams. Oh wait, they don't actually give a shit, they just exist to grift off recycled Hololive droppings so they can keep recycling the same Gura clips over and over again.

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>>41584282
maybe i'm in the minority, but gura in general bores me. why is she the one who got 4M?

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>>41580643
The demand for music from vtubers is decreasing. In particular, there is no demand at all, except for some members who specialize in music.
Regular streaming is still essential to maintain popularity.
This is why JP's top members are streaming regularly despite their busy schedules. Especially in Japan, people are very sensitive to trends, so anything that is not topical is quickly forgotten. This is also the reason why Pekora hesitated to take a break for a while.

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>>41584282
IRyS have two - three dedicated clippers

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>>41584330
Loli with a child-like voice. Loli is a buff, no matter what anyone says and loli with an actual child-like demeanor and voice always does great.

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>>41577247
>Sana has gained more subs than Kiara the past month
KFP not like this...

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>>41582578
>When the talents keep having projects canceled or shortened they have good reason to lose motivation.
Suisei literally got ghosted for like half a year and her first cover release under corporate is under her own effort

[Anonymous No.]

>>41579739
This basically

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>>41584486
They all only clip the same yabai shit. Just like how people only clip kiara when she's talking about somebody else or management.

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>>41577247
Fresh blood via EN3 was needed 6 months ago, instead they opened a new branch nobody watches. Not surprising that everyone is stagnating.

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>>41584282
I wish more EN clippers put in some actual effort. If there was more clippers who actually dedicated the time to try and condense a 3~ish hour stream into 30~40 minutes I would be more than happy to watch that. Hell, let the talents themselves do it sometimes if they had a good stream. People would be more likely to watch something like that than a 3 hour vod, and you'd get a whole lot more of the good moments that happened, rather than just some lazy leech clipper taking the most "YABAI!!!" thing a vtuber said and give it a misleading thumbnail to farm views.

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>>41584330
She knows how powerful meme is and that's how she got subs, that's the power of an ex shitposter

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>>41584776
>ZOMG [insert chuuba] SAID BUTTCHEEKS, YABAI!!!!

those long clips take effort. you think these idiots take time and effort like a vinny compilation video?

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It's weird how anti-draw EN tries to be. They never chase trends, play buff games, and rarely try to organize fun event streams as a group. On top of never streaming, most of them don't even try to regularly put out shorts. They're basically poison for the algo since they never do anything to get the attention of it. Look at all the clickbait stream shit nijiEN puts out and compare it to the average holoEN streams for a comparison.

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>>41584776
Maybe they should do what Vesper does and hire someone to do it for them. Vesper condenses his long streams into well edited clips and posts them on his channel and the girls could benefit from that too. You would think that because they make more, they would spend a little to keep things growing and to advertise their less-digestible content.

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>>41584776
>condense a 3~ish hour stream into 30~40 minutes I would be more than happy to watch that. Hell, let the talents themselves do it sometimes if they had a good stream
Wasn't Ame planning to hire somebody for this exact job 1+ year ago? What happened to that? Did it have the same fate as the SSSS cover?

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>>41584963
EN thinks they're like this

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>>41577655
i need a serious no bullshit answer as to why kobo grew so fucking big. I don't get it

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>>41585170
all i know is that she speaks indog, and that made people go gaga for her.

too bad she eats shit and talks indog.

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>>41584776
Here, have one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVKlg7J8j04&list=PLCXUhydxJqFDyQjfYiHg2Zfotf7WuI1gA
Kowkarot is also still doing his long documentary-style Minecraft compilations combining several streams worth of content into a cohesive narrative - and he is struggling to get 50k views while clickbait <1min clips still hit 100k regularely.

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>>41585170
She jumped on a bunch of popular indo fleshtubers and whored herself out, basically. Then she got the snowball effect like Gura, just to a lesser extent.

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>>41585170
Subs are meaningless for her at this point, if you thought Gura was dead subbing it don't look at the average views Kobo gets these days.

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>>41585170
Cunny

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Must be a slow day for drama around here if this is the best we got.

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>Anon lists traits and behaviours they want their perfect HoloEN to have
>Every SINGLE point perfectly describes something Kiara already does
HoloEN deserves to collapse for its fanbases eternally terrible taste.

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>>41585170
like gura = blue + cunny

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>>41585691

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>>41584907
Sadly no, most of them won't.
>>41585033
This is exactly what I mean. The content is already there, just have someone cut it down to the best parts to be a 30~40 minute video. It's like they forget that they're on YouTube and that video content also helps a lot with the algorithm and growing channels.
>>41585206
Kowkarot deserves better. The fact that none of the girls, or cover itself hasn't hired him on as an official clipper to aid in improving HoloENs growth confuses me.

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>>41581697
Gee wouldn't it be cool if any of the ENs played Street Fighter just to have fun messing around on it like Korone and not getting butthurt at people expecting her to be good. Wouldn't it be cool if any of the ENs were cool like that.

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>>41585691
>Every SINGLE point perfectly describes something Kiara already does
kiara has grating, terrible, unpleasant voice. Sorry bird

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>>41586458
She has a beautiful voice when speaking Japanese.

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>no streams
>homos
>no unity
>talents shitting on their fans
>no interest or passion from talents
>management fucking things up
Not even HoloJP can carry them anymore

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>>41586160
Her stated goal was beating Arcade mode. Very casual content.
You don't have to be good just have a goal to struggle towards so people can follow a narrative.

[Anonymous No.]

I love every single EN except Mori and Kronii

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>>41586623
>no unity
the SNOT stuff was fun but the problem is inconsistency.

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>>41585115
Vesper hired someone for exactly this.
Dunno how Ame hasn't managed to find anybody to do the job in over a year, or she doesn't give a fuck.

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>>41577380
This but with Mumei

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>>41580643
>If you want to make JP covers or original songs
Heh just get a better hobby instead

[Anonymous No.]

>Doesn't stream
>Doesn't grow
WOW
MIND BLOWN

[Anonymous No.]

>>41588123
kiara...

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>>41577247
>people would rather sub to sana than kiara
KEK

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>>41584776
Well, in NijiEN the members have their "official" clippers. So as a viewer you are sure that per stream you are gonna have at least a video to watch. The pic is Selen's channel.

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>>41588232
again, why doesn't holoEN do this? I might not be good with nijiEN, but they at least do some things right compared to holoEN.

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Without being an Idol corpo, HoloEN has nothing. The addition of Tempus destroyed their brand and thus their appeal. That alone would be enough of a problem, but you had chuubas like Ame, Kroni and the perpetual problem that is Mori immediately shitting on actual fans and turning to Tempus. These things completely destroyed HoloEN. On top of that, the incompetence of EN management and their piss poor treatment of Gura and other talents is well known.

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>>41588373
why pay for something when you can get it for free? same reason why they won't hire TL for their streams

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>>41588714
>and their piss poor treatment of Gura and other talents is well known.
gura flaked out even before holoEN.

[Anonymous No.]

Go back to your thread unwashed numberniggers

[Anonymous No.]

>>41588373
Vesper did...

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>>41588714
unironically probably randos on /vt/ would do a better job at being EN management than their actual management from the sound of things. not because we're so good, but because they are just so bad and out of touch with why HoloEN became a thing. HoloJP was already popular in the West and nobody even took HoloEN seriously and thought it was going to suck right up until it released, and people thought "huh, this is way better than expected" even on /jp/. Why? Why was that? Because they carried themselves forward basically-exactly like "holoJP only they're just speaking English" in design. That was so fucking promising.

But yes it's literally just wrecked now by trying to rebrand to NijiEN lite and force dudes in. HoloEN stats are generally way fucking better than NijiEN yet, they're dropping everything to try to rip off their fucking inferior jr competitor? It's like Coca-Cola desperately rebranding to try to copy Pepsi. We didn't fucking WANT Pepsi you FUCKING idiots.

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>>41580033
>>41580165
>>41579888
I'll play devil's advocate, unlike ID and JP members who live in the same country (even highly likely in the same city) EN members scattered around the world, unless Cover force them to move in one country, dont expect them to do big collab often

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>>41589916
That's not playing devil's advocate at all since that is 100% on the girls themselves and not Cover unless you're saying Cover should have never hired them or at least not put them in a branch together.

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>>41577655
How the fuck has Ollie still not overtaken Moona? She's been "one month away from it happening" for 2 years at this point.

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>>41588199
You also have to be likeable. Kiara was EN's bottom bitch way before the rest of them gave up

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>>41588373
The last thing you'd want to do for EN at this point is feed clipper egos. Those fucks can be insufferable once they think they get personal approval from their oshi.

Not to mention most of the EN prolific clippers can't actual speak English for shit; I've seen too many clips either drop words or write the wrong one down.

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>>41590255
NTA but the clippers are the only thing keeping EN alive at this point, and I don't even like them. They're basically parading around with EN's body to squeeze out whatever drops of content are left

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>>41578334
nice try but the schizo streamed yesterday

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>>41590064
>what is timezone
yes, the girls are lazy, but even if they arent, managing a big collab with people in different tz while some of them has other job is not an easy task, the only way i can think of to make it easier for big collab/event is Cover sponsored Visa for them and force them move to JP (the HQ) or ID (they have a management team there)

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>>41590430
those are vultures
>>41590543
anon, they usually stream around like 5-10 EST. thats a fine hour to stream. the problem I got is when mumei or kronii start at like 10-11pm and go on until like 2 in the morning. we aren't NEETS or kids, we're people working or in college.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577247
I wonder if there's something that could be done roughly once a year to inject some life into a vtuber group.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41589643
I mean does Coke do commercials with The P Ditty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOa9VKshhzo

[Anonymous No.]

>>41589643
>We didn't fucking WANT Pepsi you FUCKING idiots.
but the 5% of people wanted pepsi anon, think of them!

shit like this is what almost pushed coke to its death

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577247
Fauna at the top makes sense, but why is Kiara at the bottom? She works pretty hard too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41582578
HoloEN does the minimum possible too. It might be because management is doing the minimum possible, or it might be because they are lazy, but regardless if the talents were still motivated they could still make tournaments work, or they could strike as a group. Management is to blame for a lack of foresight, a lack of experience, but the talents aren't exactly raring to go either. The culture of the EN branch is bad, it will never be more than a leechy side branch as it is.

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>>41583815
nope, ironically during those 3 months Ina gained more subs than Kiara without streaming
for proof you can ask the numberfags, they probably still have a screen capture

[Anonymous No.]

>>41578852
The only selling point they have is idol culture, and they decided to kill it a couple of months ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577718
QRD why antis haet kiara so much?
i've seen some of the rrat before, but still can't understand why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41585170
Gura but streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41590674
>the problem I got is when mumei or kronii start at like 10-11pm and go on until like 2 in the morning.
I have a job and I can manage staying up until 2 once or twice a week.
But I'll never understand why EN avoids the 5PM EST to 8PM EST slot so much. It's Ina and Fauna and Kiara doing superchat reading, when it could be whole branch collab kino.

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>>41591404
She's very unlikeable and she knows it. It's not some mystery. She's not openly shitstirring all the time like some other EN's but she does it passive-aggressively all the fucking time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41579816
>There's no mini units like miComet/SMOK to gain interest or get people excited.
There's only 10 ENs compared to 50+ JPs

[Anonymous No.]

>>41591630
thats also primetime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41590543
If this is their actual job, as their kayfabe has them pretending. Timezones are a completely illegitimate excuse, they have no work preventing them from making their own schedule. Most of them pretend to not even have friends. These bitches also act like the day is only four hours long. They fucking complain about timezones being impossible when they are talking about times that every single person in their region is awake but then also complain about times when every single person in their region is asleep.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41591630
>I'll never understand why EN avoids the 5PM EST to 8PM EST slot so much
They are lazy pieces of shit who wake up at noon PST and don't like working first thing in the morning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577247
>Kiara is the most diligent worker and received less new subs than a girl who retired half a year ago
>Gura does nothing and still receives a steady growth
“Hard works pays off” bros…

[Anonymous No.]

>>41585691
Kiara is incredibly annoying and retarded. Sorry little buddy

[Anonymous No.]

>>41585170
She gets a lot of clips

[Anonymous No.]

>>41591404
I don’t think of myself as an anti per say as I respect her because she works hard and has some talent. But she’s so ridiculously annoying and drama baits so much it gets tiring. Her personality is dreadful which is unfortunate.

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>>41591404
I'm with the other anon, I love her content, she's probably the only one who's into and streams JRPG regularly. Though her personality is unlikeable and probably the greatest criticsm I have on her. She has this "Me Me Me" than "lets work together "personality which was a great issue on /vt/ before. And like the other anon said
>She's not openly shitstirring all the time like some other EN's but she does it passive-aggressively all the fucking time.
You'ld think it's just her innocent mistakes but it came to the point that it's frequent and obvious, but, and So instead of hating her, I just completely ignore her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41592863
>She has this "Me Me Me" than "lets work together "personality
Give me an example? Any example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41592863
>She has this "Me Me Me" than "lets work together "personality which was a great issue on /vt/ before.
Kiara is literally the driving force behind trying to get EN to work together and support each other, if not the main force, she's at least second to Ame.
Unironically falling for the "mememe" meme means you've been brain poisoned by /vt/ and don't actually know what you're talking about.

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>>41593338
like i get she does try to be the center of attention, but kiara gives a shit. she was genuinely nice with noel. in that MP collab, it felt like flare noel kiara with mori "being" there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41591079
Oh I believe it

[Anonymous No.]

>>41592966
I'll word it on the context this happened before, but usually or most of Myths first 1-9 month group collabs. There's this another issue but within the same context. Did you ever noticed most of Kiara's collab were initiated by her, don't get me wrong it's fine but it fuels her me me me personality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41592966
When she fucks up by not paying attention or is not accommodating of others because she wants them to accommodate her, she takes it as a slight against her specifically. She has a very distorted view of the world where she is the MC and everyone who disagrees is in the wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

whats funny is ironmouse would is the third most subbed here and she doesn’t even use youtube

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577247
When will Sana make a 400k celebration stream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41593544
>stuff from 2 years ago
Well if you don't have anything more recent, sounds like she grew out of it.
>>41593681
You... didn't give an example.

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>>41591404
Her voice and personality are sandpaper. Voice could be tolerated by most if she wasn't a bitter, passive-aggressive cunt.
She's the only real "idol" of the group and she speaks JP. She could have been well above everyone else in myth, and she probably expected to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41588721
??? Since when someone has to pay to feature clippers channel on their YT page?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41579739
Waiting for Gura to return. She was consistently getting 50k+ per month before her absence....now dropping to 10k per month on just her VODs.

Whatever the complaints with Gura, she brought new tourists to HoloEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41593338
>Kiara is literally the driving force behind trying to get EN to work together
She literally blew off EN for like 75% of their Japan trip to be with JP girls...

[Anonymous No.]

>>41594946
Can you blame her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41595135
>moving goalposts

[Anonymous No.]

>>41595146
when EN doesn't collab at all and their last meeting was in june 2022...

[Anonymous No.]

>>41593861
It comes down to people giving her another chance, she showed great improvement and works hard, but people just don't want to risk it. I'd still watch her JRPG vods/streams but to follow her is a different story. I really wish she think before she speaks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41595146
All of EN seems to make little effort to hang out together, this is hardly unique to Kiara.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41583322
That was $140 to watch a 3D concert and how many new holoEN fans were made from holofes? In comparison holoX was given six 3D outfits, had 3D debuts, and had several group 3D collabs that were free to watch. Ame is trying to carry the EN branch but the lack of support from Cover is a major part of what is causing the stagnation.

>>41590879
When there are this many problems with employee morale it's almost always a problem with management. The talents can't say anything when they are in a fight with management especially when they are on a long radio silent health break.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41595493
Our only hope truly is that one of the StarsEN blows the lid on management, because the girls sure as fuck won't do it and things don't look like they're shaping up to change.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41592204
too bad we dont have a green text with all the shitty stuff she has done so far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41595176
>>41595340
That's great, but you can't claim Kiara is somehow some driving force behind fixing EN when she clearly could not give a fuck about it, justified or not

[Anonymous No.]

>>41596075
I never did. I don't think anyone in EN gives a fuck about EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41595493
Again, the counterpoint is Kiara. She has expressed frustration multiple times with management, but she barely lets it keep her down and mostly speaks of management in a positive fashion, so the things holding back HoloEN seem to be copyright laws and Japan's idiotic measurements against the coof mainly, not malicious acts of Cover employees.
Kiara gets asked to organize stuff in management's place (Amogus sponsored collab where only Council bothered to show up) and lets her personal projects be used for promotions (advent calendar, HoloTalk). In return, her manager welcomed her to her place while she was in Japan, gave her her clothes, took care of her and spent time with her while ORK didn't bother to respond to her efforts of getting an offcollab going weeks prior to the trip. Kiara asked if she could appear in a 3D event while she's in Japan and she got a special segment for the NYE 3D gameshow, which role got bumped up to a full appearance when Okayu got sick. Official accounts like the hololive EN twitter page or A-chan constantly promote her content and she gets invited to the hololive channel programs fairly often.
Simply put, management takes care of her wants and needs in their power because she shows that she can pull her weight. For the record, the same goes for Mori as well. Since the rest can rarely be bothered to make a song cover once in a while, no wonder they get jackshit. The tools are all there, they just refuse to use them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41593861
You don't watch her and there's no point recommending clips to a faggot like you that can't watch streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41598215
When an unmoving force meets an immovable object... nothing happens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41598666
>You don't watch her
Correct
>and there's no point
You're not very good at this

[Anonymous No.]

>>41595493
What support nigger? All these things you are mad HoloX got would not improve EN at all because the girls are holding that back, not Cover. Cover can't get the girls to meet-up, that's their job. How can it force them to have 3D collabs? You are asking for Cover to fire HoloEN and start up HoloCalifornia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41598904
Chicken and egg situation, they both need to get over their shit but I'm sure the girls are using management's attitude as an excuse not to stream and the managers sure as fuck aren't gonna start putting effort in when the girls do nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41599031
The girls 100% blame everyone else for the problems, the thing is that they don't want all the things fans blame Cover for not giving them. That's the great divide, the girls aren't mad that they aren't getting the things fans want, they are mad they can't be bottomfeeder react channels and shit like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577247
Kiara let her Niji friend leeched on her and she suffered. Sad but true

[Anonymous No.]

>>41601282
I just want them to collab and be friends.
I don't understand why they can't do it.
If it was because they were concerned about their growth they would stream.
Several of them have even said they joined Hololive to make friends (ironically, two of the people who said this have no friends)
They legitimately appear too retarded to do the things they want to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41591404
Because these retard on vt associate kiara as EOP burger for some reason, when she an Austrian ESL who personality are just like her countrymen, people would get offended when Australian call them a cunt when that just them normally, her personality are just the same as those only german-autrian version, blunt and forward to other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41585170
Gura is dead so kobo become the closest alternative

[Anonymous No.]

>>41579004
It's not about "deserving" retard
Football players earn millions of dollars by kicking a ball. If there are people willing to pay for it that means there is a market. Market decides what and who "deserves". Not some stupid jealous fag on the internet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41601282
The girls had their own glory time, but EN management created none. Most 3d collab funded by teamates

[Anonymous No.]

>>41592805
Amouranth streams more than kiara
should i respect this manipulative twitch whore?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41602568
VR is not a 3D collab, it's also all they will ever be able to do even with Cover shooting infinite money directly into their assholes because money can't resolve any of their problems. JP girls fund their own 3D lives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41602601
what's the name of the bitch who used to eat without chewing her food?
furaffinity?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41602458
>pyramid schemes don't exist

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577471
Most of her Streams for the last month have been Jap Collabs on other channels. Her first real week of the year starts tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41591404
>QRD why antis haet kiara so much?
Her antis used to think she was a lolcow and mock her Japanophile dreams. But then she became an extremely successful vtuber, her Japanophile dreams actually came true, and she found a community that utterly adores her. Now her antis sit in their dimly lit rooms, stewing in better jealousy because the silly Austrian girl they used to laugh at has now succeeded more than they ever will and it burns them deep in their miserable souls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41601988
Well, it's possible at least in some cases there's a reason they don't have friends. And in other cases, it turns out you can't just be friends with anyone. A lot of them don't really share interests or personalities at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41603205
Go back to your general Kiara.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41603349
If by that you mean shove my unwashed futa cock in your dad's mouth I'm already doing it as we speak

[Anonymous No.]

>>41578123
B-b-b-but they'll still be the Luxiem killers!!! This time for sure! Hahahaa get MAGGED!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>41603270
>don't share interests or personalities
NIGGER THEY ARE E-GIRLS!!!! THEY ARE FUCKING ANIME E-GIRLS!!!!!!!!!!!! NO SHARED INTERESTS OR PERSONALITIES?? REALLY NIGGA????????

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577247
Please just stay in the numbers thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577247
Unironically it's because they can't do react content. If they weren't under the thumb of some backwards jap company like Cover they would be way bigger. Especially someone like Gura. She's popular because she's talented but Senzawa would be co-twitch queen with Ironmouse right now if she never joined.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41602273
This is stupidest excuse you could think of

[Anonymous No.]

>>41602817
Stupid prick, jp management provide connection, recording, studio preparation, permission, tech support and more. If they want to leave everything to the girl, disband the whole useless en management

[Anonymous No.]

>>41603768
They literally don't, some of them actively hate the things others love most.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41605197
So basically what you want is for Cover to do for each EN girl individually more than they do for the entirety of JP all together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41605197
I don't think they do tech support. There have been many cases of the girls asking each other for help. Miko has streamed herself doing thumbnail art for other members. You would think that this is the kind of work support staff would handle.

[Anonymous No.]

HoloEN is dead on the water because no one there is except Kiara and Mori have any ambition.
The Jp girls have to appear on tv or special segment sponsor shit dance lesson and etc still have time to stream but The EN girls cant even manage to just stream wtf.
Myth was the first gen to hit 1million subs and now everyone and their momma's in jp is catching up to them its insane if you dont call this fumbling the bag than idk what it is,Its literally the perfect exemple of the tortoise and the hare.
Look at the last few months of 2022 and what did we get from holoEN fuckall no event and no special stream.
Im not even talking 3d since HoloEN doesnt have that just 2d stream idea. Even the fucking ID made a sport festival and the EN cant even be bothered to collab together for a sponsored Among Us stream.
Let's not even talk about their management if the jp management is awfully incompetent and the EN one is worse it is borderline malicious,but I've ranted enough.
Some change is needed Idk what exaclty but the way things are going are not good

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577289
it's the same for JP...
Even Pekora got 20k-30k+ for the last couple of month

[Anonymous No.]

>>41606295
Ambition isn't all that important, they just need to stream consistently and reliably. They already have their audience, they just need to deliver.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41579741
she was unironically going stronger until the yabs

[Anonymous No.]

>>41606727
*>>41577247

[Anonymous No.]

>>41580033
>I want Kiara to stop being Kiara
Retard. Also the JP collabs are not mistakes.
Kiara doesn't need growth. Kiara was literally the top Holo EN superchat earner last year. Despite having the least views.
All she needs to do is to maintain

[Anonymous No.]

>>41602273
Probabaly one of the reason why nobody wants to be associated with the kfp. A fandom and Kiara's personal hug box that tolerates everything she does even if it's wrong for the people who's outside that fandom. I don't blame Kiara's ESL, I blame her being dependent to her fandom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41607090
>The least views
That's not even true. She's usually second behind Mori for VOD views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41602273
Things like her being a foul-mouthed cunt is explicitly due to her being an ESL and her fanbase creaming themselves over her doing it even though she has co-workers who don't like swearing. She's not like that in her native language or Japanese. Her special off-putting voice is also unique to her English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577655
>Wow all the channels with under 1 million subs have visible numbers there is no way the tracking is different for under 1 million subs channels and over 1 million subs channels
Retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>41607710
I know you're just pretending to be retarded but very few of those people are in the millions and some of those who are are the ID's at the top above the EN's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41607113
Exactly, it's so annoying and tiring

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577380
>Irys
Lmao, why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41608221
irystocrats can't accept the reality that their oshi failed jp audition

[Anonymous No.]

>>41606838
It was the 'don't you guys have phones' moment. Her sub growth rate was increasing right up to literally that exact date of that last campfire stream and then it started declining afterwards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41607650
That's true brother. I apologize for my mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41603094
With Fire Emblem, according to /here/ a debuff game for EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41591837
It's not just the number of members
It's also that half of them are part-timers (Ina, Mori, Kronii, Mumei, Bae, Sana), many are sickly (Gura, Ina, Ame, IRyS, Sana), and some just don't care (Kronii the largest example)
You can excuse Cover for Myth's shortcomings in terms of hiring, since they really didn't know what they were doing and Gura's streams and Mori's music hard-carried the branch
But then they fucked up hiring Council with all except Fauna being part-timers and their "star" just not giving much fucks
In isolation, this would be fine since holo JP also has part-timers and dead weight, but holo JP has the roster depth to handle that
If Cover really wanted to stick with 11 (now 9-10) EN members for years, then they should have hired some streaming/collab monsters to cover for the inevitable burnouts that have been plaguing Myth

[Anonymous No.]

>>41578852
Especially want to hammer in on your point about not taking advantage of opportunities, and not putting thought into content: They have open season on ALL Nintendo perms for example but practically nobody in EN actually digs into the catalog. It's HUNDREDS of game options and Nintendo titles are a proven success with viewership, and it goes untouched. It feels like EN refuse to ever evaluate and build on successful formulas, they just drift aimlessly from one thing to another.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41610405
How is Mori a part timer again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41610554
Mori's an interesting case in that she's technically a part-timer but she works hard enough for 2 jobs and suffers for it (in terms of mental health, stream quality, music quality)

[Anonymous No.]

>>41594946
>She literally blew off EN for like 75% of their Japan trip to be with JP girls...
Never happened, she made arrangements but they fell through, her month was too packed to accommodate, that's not her being anti unity.
Literally just a week before she was in Japan she set up the HoloEN advent calendar because no one else was doing anything for Christmas.
And that's not even mentioning all the previous full en collabs and events all organised by her (More than half, the rest are Ame and then a little bit of Mori, notice how they basically stopped dead when Kiara stopped organising them?)
Literally not a SINGLE other EN had any plans for a united EN project for Christmas, and you think she's not the one trying to get them together? The selective memory of /vt/ schizos is something to behold.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41610295
Well it's true that the vast majority of the EN audience doesn't care for watching JRPGs
You have to be a brilliant streamer to overcome that handicap if you want numbers, and well, Kiara's not that (her strengths lie elsewhere)

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577289
Well of course, it's not like she will stream soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41585170
She's a good singer and the covers and original songs she releases get good numbers. She's got that bratty-child energy down pat, even more so than Gura. Still, she doesn't pander to cunnyfags and actively shits on unicorns. She does her reps and the recent New Year Mario Kart tourney highlighted her a bit to a wider audience with how shit she was at the game

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577247
maybe because they DON'T FUCKING STREAM

[Anonymous No.]

>>41602458
Their value comes from being among the best at kicking said ball - which requires harsh daily training and exercise. What great troubles do vtubing streamers have to go through for their payment?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577247
>The graduate is still getting more then chicken
Lel

[Anonymous No.]

>>41611859
Kiara barely streamed on her channel for almost 3 weeks, eggchama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577247
I was one of the 3000. go Mumei.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41594946
Wrong they blew her off so she did the correct thing and said 'fuck it I've got others who want to work I can spend time with' and went to them instead.

It's honestly amazing the degrees people will go to to hate on the orange bird. Why should Kiara be the one spending all her time and energy getting projects happening when that is literally management's job. If nether her branchmates nor management want to do their jobs why should she waste her time doing it for them, especially at a time when doing that costs her very rare personal opportunities.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41612149
Ah yes cause Sana streamed without any break all last week retardchama

[Anonymous No.]

>>41580033
That has got to be a bait right? There is no way, even in a thread specifically made for retarded takes, can it get that unironically retarded. However, anon proposing the idea of doing more concerts (more on that one in a bit) and posting cute Austrian accent at prime yurofags hours makes me thing he's that fucking yurobrain stupid.
First is the whole JP collab ordeal, even fucking /vt/ wants to see JP collabs, of course there would still be posts dreading the fact that their JP oshi interacting with Kiara or any EN whatsoever, but the common consensus was still if one should go to Japan then give us fucking contents with the people there.
The only viewers who would think she's better off not doing such collabs would probably some braindead parasocial German creep that really needs to neck himself before he does something more stupid.
>>41580033
>She would benefit more imo doing more concerts
Kiara has been the most transparent about the process regarding concert appearances that she contractually can be. According to her, it's obviously not up to her, tho she did regret getting the dirndl Live2D outfit instead of a 3D outfit for concerts from reaching 1m subs but that's besides the point, the main problem is obviously Cover's incompetent logistic being unable to provide so many talents access to 3D studio. Kiara already said the studio was booked out for a fucking year or more to even attempt at her own solo live concert, at best you can only pray that she'd make an appearance at someone else's 3D live, which btw considering how many days she actually went to the studio during this Japan arc, very plausible.
tl;dr Orange Woman having fun with Nip Women very good

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577247
They peaked as high as Vtubing in the West can go.
It's all downhill from here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41612149
Good point. Those Sana streams in the same time were great tho!

[Anonymous No.]

>>41591404
>You're an anti if you don't like Kiara
Thousands of people are turned off by her painful, mic-peaking voice, and her obnoxious personality

[Anonymous No.]

>>41612579
All of this, collapsed because of dicks. An even bigger consequence because of incompetent from management than Kizuna

[Anonymous No.]

wow its sad af when a bubble girl beats you in subs on twitch and youtube a fucking platform she doesnt use romao

[Anonymous No.]

>>41605500
Yes they do. But sometimes the girls are stubborn and refused to pay for new hardware (Polka) so she had to ask on stream because it was too late to fix shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>41605379
Only incompetent faggots refuse to expand their niche. A competent man always challenge himself and try out new things. Suisei's first take was planned by staff for a long time, not herself. That staff person helped her preparation, talked with first take side and guided her performance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41586951
I hate every single EN except Kiara and maybe Fauna

[Anonymous No.]

>>41607701
>Japanese
Her Japanese is not very sophisticated and you can easily tell she never visitted a university. She tries really hard to sound like the cool girls. Basically like a wigger trying to sound like a black person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577247
Yeah, they don't stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577247
Clearly we need Tempus 3 soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577406
And people try to tell me the holobuff isn't as significant as I think... You can be fucking retired and still get free subs!

[Anonymous No.]

>>41580094
Yeah, me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41579888
This is a problem with EN Vtubing in general to be 100% honest. Even smaller corpos in JP or indies have members partecipate in special events, while this kind of stuff simply doesn't happen in EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41588721
Better quality.
The most "known" clippers are ESL as fuck.
>>41590255
Popular streamers do it all the time and the clipper either sends to the streamer to upload on the streamer's own channel, or has a channel dedicated to strictly their clips.
By paying for one, you can actually look for a professional clipper, one that bothers to proof-read, checks with the streamer that the clip is good and goes over it with the streamer to make sure it's publish-worthy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41580643
People always say this, but you do realize people can *gasp* make music without corporate support right. In fact that tends to be how it's done when you want to make it. The reason these people don't do it is because they're lazy, not because of some company isn't doing all the work for them (or maybe it is, who's to say).

[Anonymous No.]

>>41578123
>instant deflect

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577247
aw

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577247
It can't be helped

[Anonymous No.]

>>41606776
Apparently ambition is important because management went out of their way to change the application form to include a question about what their goals (ambitions) if chosen to be in HoloEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41610449
They are waiting for a game to become popular first.
>>41610718
The awkward thing is she wasn't aware they would be there in time to arrange stuff.
>>41612224
She also made herself much more visible to JP members, JP viewers, and JP staff. If EN dies she has a decent chance of surviving.
>>41615796
I remember Gura declaring she liked city pop to JP members. So embarassing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41585170
Indonesia has over two times amount of young people compared to Japan, their vtuber audience is smaller but is growing faster

[Anonymous No.]

>>41606776
Ambition is what drives an already successful person to keep going.
Look at Gura, she likely has enough money to live off of for years and already pulled off the idol dream of preforming.
Anything more is just contractual oblations and to make the number go higher and most people don't have the instincts to make the number go higher once they are comfortable, those that do end up becoming the soulless business types that prep creatives and their companies for the slaughter.
If I had to choose between those types and a normal person who will tap out eventually I take the normie any day.
Besides they will come back once the money runs out they all do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41610295
Fire Emblem will be a debuff barring a Genealogy Remake in which case vieweship will spike around the Barbeque.

[Anonymous No.]

gee I wonder who could be behind this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>41627054
I feel like they may be using the wrong hiring criteria then. What they should be doing is looking for people who actually enjoy streaming, which shouldn't be all that difficult to find. An EN Kaela would probably dominate the charts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41593338
She is quite literally a mememe. It's fucking annoying and the reason why every collab with her in it has a lot of awkward tension in it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41592863
I will say, I hate Kiara but I'll give her props for trying to organize shit. Even when it fails and is never brought up again like The Holo EN MK cup. Actually, come to think of it, most of Holo EN's projects are 1 time things that never get done again. TTRPG, MK cup, Gura's Big Brain Games, The Fish Tank, the entire VR chat thing they never use anymore. God it's depressing to think about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41579004
Well if that's the case, why do you guys shit yourselves over said above-average women who do nothing but play video games for a living pretending to be "pure" and your girlfriend? Kinda makes you an even lower human-being than them since you rely on them to help you not kill yourself in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577655
>my small corpo oshi would be in 2nd place in this chart
Feels weird.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41585691
>>Every SINGLE point perfectly describes something Kiara already does
ME ME ME. I hate her personality anon. Unless she does a personality overhaul I will never ever watch her

[Anonymous No.]

>>41592966
Didn't she recently say don't watch Mori's new single watch Sparks or some shit on Twitter?

[Anonymous No.]

I always find it funny how Gura literally did her own thing while everyone else was doing the Halloween VR collab. And yet, its the chicken that is labelled MeMeMe.

How Ame decided she doesnt want to organize collabs anymore (the VR collab mentioned before was mostly Bae, with Ame giving prompts). And yet, its the chicken that is labelled MeMeMe.

How Ina went to JP, meet her friends, went to Comiket for her other job, didnt stream, asked other members to not talk about her. And yet, its the chicken that is labelled MeMeMe.

And Im sure I dont even need to mention Mori and her whole Twitch Friends Arc. Not to mention the time she went on a mini break as Mori just to marathon God of War as notMori. And yet, its the chicken that is labelled MeMeMe.

My point is, yes, every single one of these girls pull some selfish thing from time to time. But with the amount of effort that at least Kiara and Ame have shown, organizing stuff, one would think they're in the positive and are allowed some leeway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41577655
Weren't there some months last year where Kaela alone streamed more hours than the whole Council combined?
She's just on a whole different level compared to lazy EN bums.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41636732
I'm surprised Kaela hasn't exploded in popularity more, at the least I thought she would have snagged a sizeable portion of Chumbuds while Gura is MIA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41636732
I think you could say just about everyone in hololive is "lazy" compared to her streaming hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41636732
>>41636984
>>41637040
Churning out hours upon hours of low energy gaming content is not the amazing high effort streaming strategy you pretend it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41637181
>Reliable stream schedule
>Constant banter with chat
>Great sense of humor
>Knows how to play her role well
>Competent gamer

>Durrr, low energy
You probably hated Korone's 10+ marathon streams too, you little faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41637181
Well yeah
She's like watching paint dry, but people here think you have to stream 20 hours of the day everyday to be a good streamer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41636732
Kaela is literally, literally the top streamer in hours across all corpo vtubers and major indies
She blows all other Holos and Nijis into the dust.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41636188
Obviously not
>Anon asks for an actual example
>Two posts of nothing
>A third is a schizo rrat
If you ever needed anymore proof that mememe is pure imagination.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41638894
>2x stream hours of Watame and Luna
>1.5x stream hours of Koyori
Ela, I kneel…

[Anonymous No.]

>control F Kiara
>65 different instances
Rent fucking free Holy shit.

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>>41577247
You forgot StarsEN

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>>41638894
Hours are pretty meaningless, what matters is how much effort is put into them. Twitch vthots get tons of hours streaming when they aren't even doing anything. Kaela could never even dream of doing what Koyori does, even someone like Watame would be difficult for her. But most anons here could do what Kaela does. It's the difference between people who make high-quality edited vlogs and people who just walk around their entire life with a live camera on them.

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>>41639691
this post is literally about her you retard

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>>41638894
What a lazy streamer pekora is. Just coasting on the hololive brand. For shame!!

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>>41577247
But how are Tempus doing?

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>>41578852
they used to be cute idols, that was a competitive advantage that they tossed away

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>>41639163
Well I couldn't find what I was talking about because it had been longer then what I thought, but while scrolling I thought I would post these GEMS I found

https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1578704349898805248
https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1554090647291936768
https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1546981425479655427

https://youtu.be/Pq2ZyFkQhZQ
and who could forget
https://youtu.be/gA95rHuhhTs

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>>41577247
Yes I’m sure they’re trying REALLY HARD to grow and not just coasting on purpose

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>>41649076
>1st tweet is just a random hashtag, nothing to do with Hololive, irrelevant
>2nd tweet is literally not mememe in any way whatsoever, why did you even post that?
>A tee tee "look we're friends" tweet, innocuous
>2 solo streams
Holy shit anon, you're actually retarded.