/tlg/ - Translating General

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Thread dedicated to translation of JP vtuber content. Post timestamps of streams, JP clips, art, tweets you want to understand and anons just might help you translate them

Previous thread: >>41248602

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>>41355052
Hohoo. Interesting concept. Hope no one abuse it for their personal shitposting gains.
Btw please translate:
https://www.youtube.com/live/rKaBtMtu81c?feature=share&t=6810

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck-off clipniggers

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>>41355331
what are you missing? she goes off and doesn't actually say anything

[Anonymous No.]

Are you guys subbing in the video editor or aegisub?

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>>41355481
I use aegisub personally, it's what I used first so I just stuck to it

[Anonymous No.]

Is there anything with a similar interface to Aegisub but more modern? Really feels like it's lacking in effects/typesetting

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>>41355643
what kinds of effects/typesetting do you need?

[Anonymous No.]

indies usually appreciate translated clips right? do you guys ask before you upload any or do you just do it

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>>41358056
Do not under any circumstances post without asking first lest you know they have a good grasp of English otherwise if your clip blows up you'll send a wave of EOPs to them that'll start shitting up their chats.
One idiot translator did exactly this - I forget his name, but the two he translated were the indie 'Nowhere' and a mouse girl I think called Chika? who ended up graduating after begging her chat filled with EOPs to at least google translate their comments beforehand

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>>41358206
you have to have a pretty big channel already to drive that kind of traffic, especially in 2023 post-boom. I doubt anyone here has that kind of pull

[Anonymous No.]

I would actually pay for full stream sub

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>>41360435
cover have smacked full-stream subbers before, it's often just not really an option

I think I saw someone doing like 90% of individual peko streams though and they've lasted like a year without anyone nuking them. The boom is over so they only get like 10k views but they exist somewhere

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>>41359387
It was only a couple thousand; mind you, this was during the peak in 2020 when 'postmodern' vtubing was still a novelty outside Asia

[Anonymous No.]

maybe this would be better on /jp/?

[Anonymous No.]

life-support bump

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>>41363454
It definitely would last longer

[Anonymous No.]

Rather than a thread focusing on clip begging, it would be better to talk about tips on translation or video editing

[Anonymous No.]

>>41355052
neat

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUHtS1_tsHQ&t=3122s
Could someone summarize what Aki said there until 56:20?

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>>41360561
I'd be really skeptic about the quality of a full-stream sub anyway. Translating a full stream, even if it's just one hour, and getting it right takes a lot of time. So if someone did that on a regular basis and not as a full-time job, I doubt the quality would be anywhere close to acceptable.

>>41355481
Aegisub. Video editors (at least those that I've used) don't have proper tools for subtitling. While aegisub isn't exactly modern, it has all you need to make proper subs.

>>41355643
What kind of effects are you looking for? Subtitles shouldn't really have a lot of effects because it is distracting and it makes it harder to read for the viewer.

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>>41360561
>cover have smacked full-stream subbers before, it's often just not really an option
The subs themselves aren't the issue, the problem is the fact that they reuploaded the entire stream with subs and Youtube would flag the original stream as a "stolen video", demonetizing it.
As far as I know, the only "official" and Cover-approved full stream subs are made by Lyger for Matsuri, usually big events.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFn0ZypcaM8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-J0mGVamNc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxy2oLe7VwU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjPtXDAHeOs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APN3rNzfNnw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6MrhsSknHo
He has been doing it for years now, before he even started officially working with Cover.
To this day, I still hate how Youtube suddenly removed community subs... That thing was fucking amazing, we used to have fully subbed streams for all kind of videos, streams and vtubers.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>41355052
good

[Anonymous No.]

While this is a good idea, this thread won't really survive as there's simply not enough interest towards JP vtubers on the board beyond their designs/models/numbers.
/vt/ is absolutely dominated by EN branches, companies and indies after all.

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>>41402818
would the /jp/ meidos let this thread stay on their board then?

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>>41360435
Could always do it like michaeLdoes it, in cut up bits. As far as I can tell, he remains unbonked for several years now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41409106
Probably not, /jp/sies also aren't interested in more EN sub clips.
I say just stick around here and see what happens if you really want to make this a thing.

[Anonymous No.]

Nice concept.

[Anonymous No.]

Hello, unusual request since almost no one watches her but could I get a small summary of what she's saying from here until the end of the stream? (Around 9 minutes or so)
It doesn't have to be a lengthy translation either, just the key points...
Thanks either way!

https://youtu.be/Jh_p6dYP0_g?t=11518

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>>41355052
Based, I wish (You) luck.

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>>41417246
They were talking about how much progress they've made with learning how to fight Malenia. 'Ranbu' is referencing the waterfowl dance, if that helps.

They also talked about how their sleep routine has broken down recently. For example yesterday someone informed them via marshmallow that vol.10 of "Sukinako ga Megane wo Wasureta" got released, so they bought it immediately and was reading it until 4a.m. They reccomend that manga btw.

There was some other stuff too, about wanting to make/write a cooking recipe notebook, and the Live2D Modeler drinking party that she's going to attend.

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>>41422615
Oh and I was just about to sleep, that was really fast, thanks dude!
Really appreciate it!

[Anonymous No.]

>>41355899
Not that anon but I was wondering if there is a simple way to do a double outline on text
I found a script that goes through and adds it to every line but that seems like a very clumsy way and it messes up when there are multiple lines on screen

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>>41355052
Dead thread

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>>41427234
shouganai, it's a new idea for a thread without a community yet. Gotta give these things a go

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https://en.hololive.tv/terms

hey I just noticed the clip guidelines softened at some point

the original fan work guidelines were pretty good, then they updated them to be a lot worse, but this update (apparently made june 2022) is interesting because it explicitly allows for monetization, which I've never personally turned on

I guess they decided at some point they liked people clipping after all

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>>41429731
>but this update (apparently made june 2022) is interesting because it explicitly allows for monetization
I'm pretty sure that clip monetization has been allowed by Cover for many years now.
Many, many 2019/2020 clips were (and still are) monetized.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41429955
it was never said outright that it was allowed before that. The one before this update actually said a bunch of scary stuff about commercial use

[Anonymous No.]

>>41429731
That's a surprise, Cover seemed very clipper friendly ever since 2019

[Anonymous No.]

>>41434796
they genuinely were originally, which I appreciated a lot at the time, but the second revision of the fan works guidelines was much more hostile

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>>41429731
I'm certain it was allowed, or at least tolerated, before that. When Rushia graduated I remember that one clipper (Sushi maybe?) complaining about what to do now for money. Her graduation was on the 24th of febuary 2022, almost 4 months before that update.

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>>41435214
it was grey-tolerated, they only went after some of the most egregious monetised channels

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>>41434867
Ah fuck, I don't remember any of that, what happened on the second revision of the guidelines?

[Anonymous No.]

cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>41437308
it was just less explicit about allowing derivative works, especially for commercial purposes, and especially without the explicit carveouts that this newest one has

[Anonymous No.]

How do clipwatchers find clips these days? Is there still much demand for translated subtitled clips of Japanese streamers?

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>>41438248
>Is there still much demand for translated subtitled clips of Japanese streamers?
nah not really, there are some dedicated clippers for certain jp chuubas but those who pump out a lot of clips daily only do the jps who are sure to get you views, like pekora or miko for example

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>>41355052
Translator Bros, can you guys look at some of fubuki's tabletop call of cthulhu streams and other holojp ttrpgs? I can't learn jp fast enough

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>>41438801
Do they allow clips? Quite a few JP TTRPG channels don't

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>>41438801
link? what do you want exactly?

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>>41378144
She's always been the type to try to please others over herself. A part of it is not wanting to be disliked, but also she just likes to see other people happy.
She doesn't dislike this part of her, but sometimes feels like she should prioritize her own feelings more

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>>41441744
Thanks!

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>>41386013
It's not only Matsuri's big event streams.
There are Cover-approved CCs for big streams of some other members too.
Fubuki: https://youtu.be/fzX4HeL1fpE
Ayame: https://youtu.be/ClrzryIkpTA

[Anonymous No.]

>>41386013
>>41443156
So if you're dedicated and good enough at translating, Cover is willing to accept your submitted subs...
Apparently, the subtitles for Fubuki was made by Des.P (before he went menhera) and a bunch of other well known translators in the community.
The ones for Ayame was made by Visco, a clipper/translator now working with Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41443562
>before he went menhera
? He seemed like a nice sukonbu

[Anonymous No.]

>>41445862
He just got tired of Fubuki's content, but kept on translating her anyway.
At some point he started complaining and shittalking her whenever possible.
The Morning Shin-chan Summer streams were probably the ones that completely broke him for good.

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>>41446290
Damn, that's a shame. Not watching your oshi every once in a while is good to avoid burn outs
>At some point he started complaining and shittalking her whenever possible
On Twitter? I can't imagine he'd do it in his TL

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>>41454153
Laprass...

[Anonymous No.]

You're on life support. Looks like you won't even make 200 image replies. I'll give you a pity bump.

[Anonymous No.]

I'll help bump a bit too. I think this is a good initiative and I'd like to give it time to gain some traction.

[Anonymous No.]

how do you translators get past dull and painful work of timing the subs?

Alao is there a way to make the "speaker portrait beside subtitles" effect when you're mostly using aegisub?

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>>41469680
I hope it does catch traction too, I think it's a neat idea.

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>>41473677
I got a lot faster when I started using kb shortcuts

You can also take advantage of division of labour and get someone else to do timing while you focus on translating. It's possible to become a lot more productive if you have two people or more splitting up the work. Back when anime fansubbing was a thing it was pretty standard to have the timer be someone different to the translator. Not everyone is fluent in Japanese but most people can still contribute by timing.

[Anonymous No.]

Translate it weebs

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>>41482829
>is that fubuki?
>"what's wrong?"
...
>"I can't sleep if you cling to me like that..."
"mmm"
>"What?"
"mm.. hah...<3"
>"Oh my god, seriously"
>"Don't rub that fucking thing on me!"
>"If you wanna do it then you can just ask to do it, you know..."
But...<3
Even when I ask Kuro-chan you're so mean...

[Anonymous No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

maybe we could expand the scope of the thread? Like if you're a translator who wants translation checking or quality control or advice, or if you're a clipper who wants feedback on their most recent clips.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41486205
Sounds good

[Anonymous No.]

Very based thread. Remember to fo your reps, everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

actually, people of any level feel free to talk and ask questions. If you were watching your oshi and just couldn't understand any particular word or phrase or sentence or something, it's fine to ask about it here. You don't have to ask for a full translation of an extended section of a stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>41473677
I don't
That's why it sometimes takes me a few days to finish a 2 minute clip and why I've mostly stopped

[Anonymous No.]

>>41488094
you need to get someone to do that part for you. Ask in the fan discord of the vtuber you're clipping for volunteers maybe?

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>>41488187
I clip a variety of nijis so it won't be that easy

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/Senokoko_ha/status/1613890839478165505
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMOwJHme3bk
Can someone give a QRD on why she's going on a hiatus at the end of the month?
Please and thank you

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>>41490033
It's not a negative hiatus like burn out or something, she'll be back April 6th, so trust her and wait patiently. There's also a new outfit being worked on and she thinks it's very cute.

This is all from the tweet btw, I'm not going through the vod

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>>41490033
first she wanted to make clear that she's not taking a break because she's tired of vtubing, or because she got depressed, or because she started to hate vtubing

then she wanted to make clear that she's absolutely, definitely coming back

the reason she's taking a break is because she's in a "guild" (as she had apparently already informed her audience) and she has a lot that she needs to do because she's in that "guild", including studying a lot and apparently a bunch of other things. There's a goal she's been aiming for for a long time, something she wants to achieve, and she needs to do a lot to actually make progress in achieving it.

until now that's meant that she's been limited in terms of the amount of spare time she's been able to give to her vtubing activities. blah blah basically she's having a hard time balancing her "guild" stuff with her vtubing stuff. Instead of half-assing both she wants to full-ass one. She says she has a perfectionist attitude where she wants to give 100% of herself to stuff and she doesn't feel like she can do that while doing both her "guild" work and her vtubing stuff.

She said she's picking her vtubing as the thing she wants to full-ass, but to prepare for doing vtubing seriously (to give 100% to vtubing) she needs to prepare. She can't quit the 'guild' overnight and there's a lot she needs to wrap up there, but she also needs to prepare a lot in order to be able to do all the things she wanted to do and give 100% to vtubing. She says instead of streaming a bunch and while doing so preparing in that way in her spare time, she needs to be able to take a big chunk of time in which she can focus on preparing fully so she can come back at 100%. So she's taking a break from streaming.

In particular, in terms of stuff that she's felt she was unable to do, she felt bad that for two months she wasn't able to find the time to do superchat thanking. She appreciates the support a lot and found it really difficult to not to have been able to do that. She also feels bad about not being able to be very active on twitter or replying to comments etc. And she wants to be able to stream every day, she wants to stream twice a day, morning and night, but she can't while she's in the guild. At the moment she averages like 3 times a week and she wants to do a lot more. And she wants to practice and get better at singing. She wants more time to put into her vtubing. She wants to have the time to study up on indie vtuber knowhow. She wants to be able to read more to learn more about the world. She feels like she's spending all her time and effort on being able to have an 'output' and she's neglecting being able to have any 'input' i.e. have any personal growth.

tldr she wants to vtube full time, to only be doing vtubing, and needs to take time off to prepare for that, apparently

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>>41491652
NTA but thanks

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>>41491935
There's something nice about finding out about the random indies people are following and want to understand more.

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>>41491652
praise be, a high effort vod summary

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[Anonymous No.]

good thread

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>>41495403
Amazing thread!

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>>41228226
If you know what kinds of things are likely to garner a lot of interest that aren't already being taken by other people, and you know where to promote your stuff, and you know how to title things and how to make thumbnails such that you're algo-privileged, then yes. It can be pretty good business.

If you know what there's latent demand for, and you're capable of filling that demand, then it's pretty straightforward. But the vtuber boom is over so there isn't much latent demand left to fill anymore. In 2020 you could release a clip and get a million views without even trying. Nowadays the casual interest in vtubers has waned; people have had their fill and moved on. What's left are the people who stuck around, and there's significantly fewer of them and they aren't binging on clips they way they used to.

It's the same reason this thread is dead. Anglos who don't speak Japanese mostly watch Anglotubers, and Anglos that do don't need the thread. There's no real target audience anymore.

I guess there are people who are trying to learn Japanese, and they're welcome here I guess. Listening to vtubers is a great way to boost your listening comprehension.

[Anonymous No.]

Interesting thread

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>>41499662
what's interesting about it?

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>>41439349
>>41440305
The channel was in japanese and I can't find anything by looking up fubuki ttrpg, I just know it was a massive playlist of her and other holos playing Call of Cthulhu and other tabletops

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>>41501210
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Jei3XcphY&list=PLfB8covrmjXUVscYm58AA_OF4Fsddnkal
It must be this one. It's the only "massive" ttrpg playlist I know of in japanese.

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>>41504238

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>>41511137

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>>41514029

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Can this make me money

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>>41517372
It won't fill your wallet... but it'll fill your heart

[Anonymous No.]

>>41517372
it's a lot harder now apparently
>>41482856

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>>41363454
/jp/ is cancer.

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>>41527450
what makes them worse than /vt/

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>>41506944
Hag sex!
Translated sex!

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>>41355354

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>>41539665

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>>41527412
Works on my machine

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>>41355052
>A new general
Nice. Keep going, kings.

[Anonymous No.]

Can this double as /djt/? There are some vtubers I want to watch but the language is a massive barrier for me because I AM interested in hearing what they have to say and not content with the cute noises.

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>>41555336
I don't see a problem with that

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>>41555336
yeah, i'm fine with another schizo's paradise

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>>41553892
how much editing do you do on top of subtitles?

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>>41555336
go for it

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>>41555336
>djt
what does this mean

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>>41558234
I mostly just cut out dead space and parts that are irrelevant to the clip, very rarely I'll add something extra

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>>41558317
it's a general on /a/ and /jp/ and /int/, I think.
for people learning Japanese to talk about everything relating to that

[Anonymous No.]

>>41558400
and your monetisation works fine?
I never had issues either, but I did most of my clipping in 2020

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>>41558317
Daily Japanese Thread
It's literally the origin of the word "reps" as it's usage in /vt/ because it is used to reference doing your Japanese repetitions. No, it's not from /fit/.

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>>41559000
Yeah, I'm not exactly active either anymore but I have uploaded some stuff recently and it's been fine

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>>41559301
What do you use to edit your videos?

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>>41559460
Vegas, just because that's what I learned in the 00s
It's not particularly good for subtitles but it does the job for me

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>>41559287
it's specifically about your Anki reps right? the flashcard software

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>>41559460
NTA but the clipper thing lyger made is secretly pretty handy, being able to make a translated clip straight from aegisub without even having to open any video editing software or whatever is kinda neat. It's definitely the lowest-effort and lowest-skill option out there

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>>41423072
The simplest way is to effectively duplicate the line, positioning both with the pos tag in the same location that the regular line should be in according to its alignment (should be the same value for virtually every line so you'll only need to figure it out once). Create 2 styles with the same alignment font size boldness etc as the original, but give one a much larger outline than the other. outer = larger + optional shadow, inner = smaller + no shadow. First line gets the outer style, second gets the inner. You're done.

Note: If there's multiple separate lines with the same alignment visible at once and stacking on screen, the default Y value you use for most lines won't work for that line so you just need to tweak it manually. Play with the Y values in the pos tag so it lines up.

It should be possible to make a script that takes that all into account, but to be honest the only type of stream that's likely to have lines stacking like that are chaotic collabs, and my oshi doesn't collab often enough for me to spend the time figuring out how to do it.

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Are there any simple and comprehensive guides on how to use aegisubs and lyger's clipping addition? I'd like to do everything in one place instead of using my laptop for thumbnails and my phone for clipping and subtitling.

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>>41566496
aegisub is pretty straightforward, lyger's thing comes with a guide here I think https://lyger.github.io/scripts/guides/clipper.html

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>>41566600
I downloaded both aegisubs and lyger's script but I'm too stupid to learn how to use them without a detailed guide or tutorial video.

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>>41566875
Nta but used this to learn aegisub. Can't talk towards lyger script
https://youtu.be/z7E6IyUY9ik

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>>41567077
Thanks anon. I appreciate it.

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>>41567207
You're welcome
Also I use handbrake to hard encode subs over videos. It's super easy to use and free software.

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another example of translators getting demonetized:
>>41571005
interesting how many clippers were doing it more for the money than for the love

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>>41571440
The RPM is terrible anyway. Unless you can get a big enough following that even the most low effort 30 second turd gets tens of thousands of views there really isn't any money in it. And even then it seems like Youtube is cracking down on unedited videos.

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I don't want a fish, I want to know how to fish. In other words, what is the 2023 way of learning Japanese? /jp/ still seems to be in a eternal civil war as to which guide is the right way to do it and which guide is made by grifters.

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>>41579643
by not being a lazy lil bitch

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>>41579643
I don't really go there at all so maybe there's more than I remember but the two I saw when I started were Refold/MIA/??? and TheMoeWay, both have some issues but they're also both good enough to understand how the shit works before you start, MoeWay is tailored to Japanese more so it's got some more specific advice. Only thing I'd suggest is don't use Anki just because it's what everybody else uses, JPDB is getting pretty good, being able to see how much of a show/episode/novel/VN/route you know is incredibly useful and being able to learn the words you're going to need in order of how often the words are used in whatever you're trying to watch/read was a game changer for me. Just remember that the bottom line will always be just getting those numbers, as long as your known words and hours of input increase everyday you're gonna get there

[Anonymous No.]

I've been away so I don't know when this started but this general is based