/vtwbg/- VTuber World Building General

[Anonymous No.]

What if your general was not just a general but a nation, devoted to your oshi and their will? Enter this general where the fanbases and generals of /vt/ are reimagined as countries interacting with each other through means peaceful and militant alike!

Eat Fish Edition

Previous thread: >>40904523

Interactive map:
https://vtwbg.github.io/

Introductory document for new anons:
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-intro

CURRENT GOALS:
- Survive
- Fish
- Be nice

>Note that the map is set in stone.
>Casual Stories or Greentexts of your general in /vt/ land are much appreciated.
>Ignore any trolls, falseflaggers or dramafags. Report, hide and move on.
>Try to keep hornyposting, socposting and funposting to the absolute minimum until we hit the bump limit.
>Please think twice before posting if you're intoxicated or feeling moody.

THREAD REP TRIPCODES:
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-rep-trips

CLIMATE & TECTONICS POSTS (AIDS LORE/PLACEMENT):
Ocean Currents:
https://rentry.org/rvqz9
Weather Systems:
https://rentry.org/nnvbx
Climate Analysis:
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-climate
Tectonic Plates and their Movements:
https://rentry.org/dmkyc
Geologic Provinces:
https://rentry.org/ztaf99

CURRENT MAGIC SYSTEM:
https://rentry.org/chuubanite

FLAG POSTS:
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-flags

LORE ARCHIVE:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HM_UK-qNKXQgFH-ixcWsCC3oAgBnFrxCKRPXdKiPMwQ/edit

[Anonymous No.]

Anchor post for any story/map/lore. Please reply here for archival purposes. Please mark and tag the section you want the relevant content to be archived. Unmarked posts will not be archived.
Anchored posts in the last thread will be archived within a day after the thread has been archived. You may also ask for your own archive posts to be updated or organized according to your standards.
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If you will be using a rentry link, please use
>https://rentry.org/
instead of .co, as the latter is filtered as spam.
Thank you!
Please also report if there's outdated/missing lore in OP.
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/VTWBG/ HISTORY
Anchor post for events in the /vtwbg/ canon timeline.
Reply to this post or commentate directly in the sheet suggestions for events to add to the timeline.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18-HH-xmC_qxOS3ZV0Ssxzb1mDA0xVKv31yMDLWo_pEo/edit

[Anonymous No.]

Anchor post for issues to be voted on next time.
>On going vote
>>40929986
Vote will end on 16-1-2023 11PM GMT
>Vote Results
https://rentry.org/m7rhg (most recent)
Aggregated Past Vote Results:
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-votez
>Bylaws
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-bylaws
>Vote post archive
https://rentry.org/ofx2x

[Anonymous No.]

CURRENT PROMPTS
Feel free to submit your own prompts to inspire others!
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-prompts

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>LORE CATCHUP ANCHOR
Last thread's new lore/discussion you might have missed:

>>40906613
>>40966048
>>40980547
>>40997911


Reply to this post to be included in the next thread's lore catchup
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>>41007906
>Goals
>Fish
Sus

[Anonymous No.]

PUSH IT BACK IN

[Anonymous No.]

>>41007906
>Eat Fish

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>>41008107
Suisei threads didn't really exist on /jp/ I think. So Hoshiyomia would just be another province or more accurately a member state of the Empire. They could also be the descendants of another military/colonial expedition and their navy was created to protect the Empire's western fringes.

[Anonymous No.]

>I eat Feesh
>Feesh eat yogurt

[Anonymous No.]

>>41008672
Yes, I know it wasn't. That's why I had us as a "Elector-Palatine" on the frontier. The lands obviously aren't under direct ruler from Cometopoli but that is what we were "granted" for our loyalty.

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>>41008384
>Me on Specbio in my lands

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>>41007906

[Anonymous No.]

Okey, Pinkchama, are you familiar with Retro's plan.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

If pinkman actually is willing to committ to /lig/ then i will actually support that notion, but as i said, i don't want nation jumping from one unrepped nation to the next.

[Anonymous No.]

I love my wife.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41009945
I don't think he will let you down. His lore is rather accurate to the thread and consistent.

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>>41008501
>Then the next questionn would be how much you actually would be interested to committing to them. As i said, i'm not a fan of "temporary" reps where someone jsut goes, creates lore as much as it pleases them and then move on to the next nation.
What does comittent mean in this context? I'm a vocal dissenter of the rep system and while I'd be comitted to the thread in the same way I'm comitted to the Candy Kingdom, I think temporary reps should be encouraged because of my general disregard for the idea of reps having any kind of importance or meaning as a whole and that lore written should be judged by how it fits rather than who writes it.
>>41009267
I'm gonna say no but I've most likely glanced it.

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>>41010660
>lore written should be judged by how it fits rather than who writes it.
I agree with this feeling, actually. Plus, since we have other /lig/ users in the thread, stuff written for the thread can be peer-reviewed and revised if necessary.

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>>41010660
If you are committed, then please write with us a lot!! Pls don't have one foot in the door and one outside of it when Retro and I need you. In other words, don't mess around pls.

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>>41011776
C'mon Ruminabro, Have you even read his stuff before? He is one of the most committed members of this thread. He won't let you and retro down

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>>41011895
Nice sarcasm, anon.

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>>41011895
So how much gift cards is he paying you for all this dickriding?

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>>41011776
Again I don't understand what your idea of comittment means in regards to this

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>>41012436
It means that you won't make 2 entries for /lig/ and then fuck off to another unrepped nation to write about them.

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>>41012642
Well I would ask how writing for other threads implies lack of comittment to another, especially when you can always just return to a thread to write and dictate how it would react to things.

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>>41012436
I thought i was clear, but I will be more clear. As my neighbor, /lig/ is an important thread in my threads history in this world and I would prefer if you were committed to it like I am to Rumina. I want you to work with me, retro and others on history together, and I don't want to see you jump off the train at the next stop when we need you. I believe I have something special in my lore and I want to share it with my neighbors too, and I want my neighbors to share their lore with me. If you are up to the challenge, I believe you will do great. But from what I am told, you are non-committal and that doesn't cut it. It would be a major letdown for you to write one or two things then fly off somewhere else...

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>>41012781
Because it would imply that the prior nation is nothing more than a momentary toy for you that will be replaced the moment it loses it's luster and will only ever become relevant in your mind again when others will try to interact with said nation.

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>>41012781
if you come in, make decisions for a thread, write 1-2 rentries and then fuck off and write rentries for other threads while not touching the nation you are meant to rep for like half a year then you should not be considered the rep for a nation.

your personal feelings about the rep feelings in this case are irrelevant, while it has its flaws, it is what thread overall has decided and uses.

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>>41013121
Ruminabro, why are you being unreasonable here? He isn't at your demand as a writer and you are forcing him to pander to you rather than write for fun. Grow up...

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>>41013121
Woman moment...

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>>41013121
Geting uppity are we? Retro and Pinkman aren't your slaves dumbass fandead faggot. god just like they were, you surely are one. Fuck you and go eat shit moron

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>>41013276
>>41013139
>>41013121
I think there is nothing wrong with his ideas. I think you guys are just to serious kek.

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>>41013741
Eslchama, nobody is questioning his ideas.

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>>41013121
Damn, chill nigga. This is online creative writing, not a contract or a marriage kek.

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I think if Lunaito writes for lig, he isnt a rep but a writer. Cunnychad for example can do it if he watches shondo and retro too. He doesnt get precedence over anyone. Treat it like nasa.

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>>41014105
That's sensible, the way it's been done, and how I assumed it would be done. I think some anons just felt like stirring up a conflict.

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Holy samefag.

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>>41014105
Oh and pray tell, how is /nasa/ treated?

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

actually, taking pinkmans view of reps into account, i think we can tackle this from a complete different angle

as per rules set out writer for a thread aren't necessary rep by de facto, a thread can technicly have a writer but no rep. lunaito would be taken strongly into account for canon in regards to /lig/ but if things become more invovled like bigger political decisions for /lig/ then thread as a whole makes the decision. and should a future anon for /lig/ show up he can take up the mantle of rep and decide what of the written things he wants to consider for /lig/.

as stated lunaito does create good lore when he wants to and honestly i would prefer to have him at least as advisor for decisions in this /ccu/ conflict since i feel iffy about making decisions for /lig/ on my own, so a second voice with understanding of /lig/ from him would be good

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>>41014297
Like a cumslut such like Sana would want with those tits.

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>>41014362
When the cunny rep gets unbanned or whatever the fuck he is doing (probably banned), I would assume he would actually have a large role in the ccu stuff considering well, the vtubers in that thread were cunny. Probably would be good to get him outside his ice prison...

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>>41014384
I approve of this post kek, and the only acceptable answer

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41014508
when i proposed /ccu/ as the dead nation for this i actually did mention them as potential input for /ccu/ since they probably are most familiar at least with the chuubas themselves.

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>>41014704
He needs to stop getting banned for posting lewds first... He will need correction for that...

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>>41014384
I miss tanned big booba big ass Sanalite women.

[Anonymous No.]

fat brown tits love

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>>41013121
I don't intend to over extend or write for any reason other than because its something I enjoy doing. If collaboration falls within that than I'm fine.
In general, I dislike collaborative writings.
>>41013139
This seems like a hyperbole that's been warped to justify your position rather than an actual explanation. This project is entirely done for enjoyment and passion and if someone's passion shifts then that can't be blamed on them, it has happened to lots of writers including myself.
>>41013276
If a decision I've made runs counter to what's expected of the thread, I'd understand but I don't see why someone wouldn't be able to do that for several threads if they're making a reasonable and rational judgement that makes sense considering the thread. If you want me to be at attention and ready to decide something while writing for Luna and lig I can do that but I'm opposed to any variety of restrictions on what anyone can and can't write.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41015897
as long as what you are writing for /lig/ is reasonable and rational then this agreement shouldn't be an issue for you at all. the only reason for thread to interfere is if you would suddenly do something like have /lig/ surrender hafl their land to candy kingdom or other such nonsense, not to interfere with reasonable lore, no one objected to the mint lore either

[Anonymous No.]

Good morning, everyone. I hope things are going swell at the moment?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41016512
Yeah, things are going great and there are no timeloops on the horizon.

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>>41016479
>agreement shouldn't be an issue for you at all.
By that are you referring to this >>41014362

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41017063
yes

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>>41017270
So what is this planned conflict so far, is there a rentry or past post that has a brief summary of what you have in mind?

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41017365
i had one but with thigns talked about, that would not be quite up to date. let me give you a rundown of what i currently had for a proposal:

we go by the idea that was proposed back then of the /lig/ger that /lig/ is a league of intellectuel tribes.

/lig/ gets into a conflict with /ccu/ over a not yet determined issue, potentially about the chuubas that both worship and how that worship is done, and this becomes an actual war conflict.

/lig/ asks for the Retro Reich to help in this conflict as old allies, /lig/ was the first thread to aknowledge /vrt/ even before /tsun/, and Retro Reich abides.

/lig/ fights /ccu/ on land, but circumstances yet to be determined, make the progress a slow one. potential reasons could be that tensions elsewhere means they cannot fully commit their army there or maybe the league of tribes cannot properly agree on an approach for the war.

Retro Reich fights with navy and isolates their coast but cannot land themselves due to circumstances like not wanting to commit too much to a conflict they are not too invested in or because of potential involvement of /yah/ and thus no big progress there either.

Meanwhile ruminas situation on the islands that are isolated from the mainland happens until 975 as detailed here: https://rentry.org/m777b

Retro Reich eventually becomes aware of these happenings around this time and after investigating inform /lig/ and they connsider how to deal with it.

The consens is reached that the enemy of our enemy is a friend and both natiosn sent representatives to rumina to begin diplomatic talks.

In those talks a consens in reached of rumina joining the war as mercenaries on the mainland in exchange for payment. Retro Reich is fine with paying their half for it but /lig/ for reasons would rather not pay their half for mercenaries because their coffers are running lower at the time due to the war or because the representatives sent from /lig/ takes issues with the rumina people for whatever reason.

The /lig/ representatives for diplomatic talk then decides to simply make ann absolute decision on his own isntead of consulting the league first and instead promises that rumina can keep whatever land they conquer in their conquest of /ccu/ because they don't feel it will impact too much anyway in their hubris.

now as for this diplomatic representative, i would suggest making it the member of the league for bunny_gif because around this time on the board she had a major yab just a bit later that essentially ended her career as vtuber and part of that was arrogance and hubris too. Therefore having this action from them that fucked over the league be one of the reasons for the downfall of the bunny_gif tribe in /lig/ due to beign conceited and full of hubris would be quite fitting from my view.

The war then continues and rumina in their zeal take over what is the border of today, while for /lig/ we would say that historicly a part of them used to be /ccu/ as per picrel since obviously they would have won some land in all of this after all and not just rumina alone.

/lig/ makes the bunny_gif tribe resposnible for this major fuckup but honors the agreement made in their name and does not hold rumina responsible for the fuckup of one of their own.

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>>41019244
You forgor rumina said they want multiple wars of expansion in the past. Lig is probably terrified of them in present from their constant wars.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41020109
this is about the /ccu/ centered war and only that.
any other conflicts going forward would be a seperate thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>41020109
Lig used their numbers against rumina
Ineffective
Rumina uses “All out attack”
Extremely effective
Lig faints.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41020314
Yeah but you basically said present borders come from this.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41020446
potential border changes from other conflicts can be discussed seperatily, i don't want to muddle the core of this with conflicts that as of right now aren't a thing yet.

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>>41019244
Do you mind if i take over the lig and ccu side? I get freedom tomorrow and am phone posting…

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>>41019244
Why exactly is proto vrt involved here? You admitted yourself your nation doesnt exist really until later, and this feels like you trying to get in on Rumina.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41020803
We can discuss this further tomorrow yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>41020943
Okay.

[/meat/ rep !!J7IsvbPoQE1 No.]

>>40929986
Confirming /meat/ vote as the same as >>40982301 for posterity sake

[Anonymous No.]

butt

[Anonymous No.]

>>41007960
Archive under /nasa/, please and thank you,

https://rentry.org/CassandraCharacterSheet

Alrighty Hoomans, here's that character sheet I promised a few weeks ago. Hopefully I detailed her enough, but if you have any further questions about her, don't hesitate to yell for me.

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>>41029284
Yay. Looks nice.
I'll try writing something with the fisherman to test the character out. Then I'll see how I can use her, I'm coming up with a few things already.

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>>41030360
Wonderful! I should also note that Lunet Totim under "friends" is a hooman official/researcher/whatever you want his official designation to be that established a friendship with Cass over the course of the decade after the Sanallites departure.
Basically, I wanted to give her an acquaintance in the Republic, and so me and the other hooman discussed how he would be the leader of the expeditions you would send north to Lamington over the years, reasons for which you can decide on your own, tho I guess gaining knowledge would be it.
Approachable kind of guy in my headcanon, Cass wanting to meet his kids she heard so much about is one of the main reasons she chose to go to the Republic first.
Let me know if this would be ok with you. If not, I can just edit him out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41032446
No, that's pretty helpful. I hadn't planned that far ahead, and it means we have a good anchor/headquarters for Cass in the Republic.

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

Happy to see at least there's something left of /nasa/. Thought about seeing if I'm up to writing something for /nasa/ again. I don't think I can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41033179
Yeah, no. Its too late. Don't ask again.

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

I have an urge to write something for /nasa/ but I don't know what I should write about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41034596
Legacy of pastry recipes

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

>>41034715
I got timelooped on hand cranked ice-cream maker machines. And any pastry recipe that's you can look up online. Alternatively I can write a recipe book for rustic cast-iron pastries. I digress.

I wouldn't mind writing some history. I miss writing logbooks for /nasa/. Though I feel that time has passed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41035011
Ok, "Advanced and hermetic, that need special magical objects" Pastry recipes

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

>>41035335
Now this is pod racing. Still I want a break from food and spec bio stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41035562
Alright. "Cultural quirks and changes of the Sanallite diasporas"

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

>>41035739
>look up diaspora.
>First result was on Wictionary about dispelling Jews.
Oy vey! But I kind of get what it means. Its not complicated. Sana left the Sanalites. So the survivors adopt new oshis when they move to new places. Those that don't adopt new oshis are just oshiless. There are some that still cling to Sana but we don't talk about /cope/ or /grave/.

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>>41036264
I mean, to be fair, the word diaspora originally referred to the greek dispersion, it was lated applied towards the jews

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

>>41036338
Anyway I think most Sanalites will be fine with a new oshi. Many of them have moved on. The few that's still clinging to Sana are in so small communities that they don't matter. Even /cope/ just ignores them. There's a reason why /nasa/ as a thread hasn't returned. That's not to say Sana will be forgotten. She occasionally gets posted in Horni. And schizos still bait post with her.

I guess Sanalites will carry some basic first-aid training and germ theory with them. And every Sanalite can bake. They'll have to adapt to the world's technology and use what's available rather than rely on their own knowledge. They'll be eating salted pork and hardtack rather than pre-packaged meals you boil water to cook for example.

Anyway take my opinion as opinion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41036826
Sure sure, but as diasporas, wherever they assimilate they'll still carry with them certain cultural quirks, exploring these could be a neat way of trying to represent the phenomenon in writing.

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

>>41036826
One more thing to note. Take everything I say as a grain of salt. Without cunt's approval everything I comment about /nasa/ is nonsense.

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

>>41036935
Sanalites are asshole Straya cunts that got banned from /mans/, /rrat/, and /risu/ for shitposting and starting fights. Sanalites banter all the time to get under your skin. They love fist fights and brawls. They enjoy Mad Max LARPing and out-trolling schizos (even though they're vad at it). The fucking bread dog screams in a Sean Connory accent just because. They're right at home in Horni because they love lewd art of chuubas. Unless its Risu. Squirrels are anti-sex to Sanalites.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41037538
What a nostalgic post... Thank you nasarep.

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

>>41037538
To clarify: Mad Max before Thunderdome because Thunderdome is shit. Also some 40k stuff just because. I need to stop posting with insomnia.

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

Fuck it. One more insomnia post. I'm still mad we didn't get the hotspring scene with council where they felt each other's tits in the bath. Goodnight.

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>>>41007960
/ehe~/ serves BING CHILLING
Come and get yours today if you have enough cunny credit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41042950
Zǎoshang hǎo zhōngguó xiànzài wǒ yǒu BING CHILLING wǒ hěn xǐhuān BING CHILLING dànshì sùdù yǔ jīqíng 9 bǐ BING CHILLING sùdù yǔ jīqíng sùdù yǔ jīqíng 9 wǒ zuì xǐhuān suǒyǐ…xiànzài shì yīnyuè shíjiān zhǔnbèi yī, èr, sān liǎng gè lǐbài yǐhòu sùdù yǔ jīqíng 9 ×3 bùyào wàngjì bùyào cu òguò jìdé qù diànyǐngyuàn kàn sùdù yǔ jīqíng 9 yīn wéi fēicháng hǎo diànyǐng dòngzuò fēicháng hǎo chàbùduō yīyàng BING CHILLING zàijiàn

[Anonymous No.]

>>41007960
https://rentry.org/Bing-Chilling
Put this under /ehe~/ lore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41043607
Shouldn't that be literally Lionel Messi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41043696
I could put him in there too, but that is too meta. This is an actual lore post after all. Ice cream in /ehe~/

[Anonymous No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

Hoomen, I am going to start preparing "Old History Lore" going off the borders I presented last thread. Things of note:
>The Borders are just De Jure, and can be considered of the larger "Hoshiyomite culture" which is sort of like Italian IRL with how different it can be.
>This land was granted as a March to us by the Emperor. Feudal lords, city states, bishoprics, and other vassals are nominally under our command in this region
>The Elector-Palatinate is something I have not mapped out as to how we go from that to current government.
>It is likely that your culture would have a lot of Hoshiyomite Language influences, architecture, and other things that we can get into to add more flavour to /who/ as well as names which you two are terrible at getting.
>Ultimately, we would end up fighting a few times but that is to be expected with nations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41008116
https://rentry.org/Senatus-Civitas-Zetanus
Updated some things for V7, adding flags, culture and religion.

[Anonymous No.]

Who gets the 1.4 million to their new homes?
- Tsukinode?
- Nasfaq?
- The (old) Principalities fleet?
- Voms?
I am leaving /vrt/ out since I want the cynical view and there to be a degree of conflict over this for them since they right now just seem like good guys totally, which could be wrong. The reasoning also is that they will still be suspicious of this totally and probably shocked at what happened.
Are all Fandead taken there?
No, I can assume others went to Moriji and Nasfaq. The number living in the Principality before the Betrayal is unknown but I will let the deadbeats and nasfaq dudes figure how much they would like. I believe many are enslaved too, and any nation that has fandead slaves, now or in the past, is considered a mortal enemy of our state. We hate slavery as no man should be enslaved to another, as all unto my Wife.
The Black Fleet would take those they wanted to Moriji and Nasfaq, just to make it make sense and gives them their own lore for that.
What happens to the Prince-Elector of Rushia and his family? They are massacred and hunted down, along with much of the ruling class.
How is this migration working?
Like any migration, it's not that easy. I think there would be 3 major ports that we fight to keep open where many come through but others will be refugees fleeing, and filter their way. The exact number taken by the Fleet, Tsukinode, Voms and Nasfaq will be left up in the area.
I need to talk to nasfaq writers about fandead companies in nasfaq.


lig dudes and retro, let's talk. Also voms, tsukinode, nasfaq and deadbeats too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41047775
I'm ready to talk about this!!! The CIO would gladly help as it would see this as a great opportunity to open new markets for them.

I think a deal would look something like this.

>Gold, Trade Rights, and Port of Call for the CIO in Rumina.
>CIO helps out as much as they can to get your people to Amemichaelia and provide supplies.

I would assume this is the CIO's first big break, and they see it ulteriorly as that. You can decide how much of a role they play, but I will state that they are still rather young but are growing rich with the trans-heavenly sea and Kizuna sea trade that just opened up around 150 years before. The CIO also is undergoing a redesign where they aren't the "Big Bad" they used to be.

On another note, Hoshi, I am still totally unsure how we are fighting at such distances without me (or you) at least having a base on an island closer, or something else. I thought about colonialism as a reason with failed colonies but that doesn't seem like it will fly in the thread despite the potential. Do you have any ideas?

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>>41048189
I like this deal, as you are a true neutral party and it is balanced for both sides!! I do not want to give one nation of those i named the "hero role" but rather share it with all 4 and ulterior motives are important to me with lore...
Perhaps the CIO was trading with us already and when the crisis hit, they offered us this deal given the circumstances as they were in contact with Trekkers, who are seen by many mainlanders as the true way of salvation as even nasfaq or moriji would be considered a little sus during this time...
A port of call just means that the CIO is allowed to use said port as a base for trading in the region right with ship production, officers or something right?? No real issue with that, since we would quarantine you guys in areas so that's good. I assume those other mentioned parties would have their own too, sans moriji since i prefer them to operate towards the other area so I don't turn into everyone's toy...

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>>41048410
Great!!! I make a preliminary draft of this. That would be more than what a port of call is but if you are okay with that, that works well too for me. Things can also change over time when it comes to deals of course!!!

I think on my end for my own, the KAG gets formed as a result of this actually, so maybe they are involved too but they would only want gold as I think the CIO and KAG rivalry would start from here and the KAG asking for the same as the CIO would get the demarcation of trade lines up... so just consider part of this as well but not to the same extent. Would you be okay with this bit of rivalry showing up??? It will cause issues but that's the fun imo!!! ableit it is at your expense...

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>>41048588
>Company Rivalry coming because of this.
Oooh I really like that actually, tho it doesn't make sense how this other company forms as a result of this unless they already existed in some manner right?? Issues are good so no complaints since i don't want a nation that has everything go right in what is a risky business..

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>>41048660
Good point on the KAG.... think i will have them formed earlier... Also forgot to mention that part of the deal would likely entail the "private armies" of both of them fighting in the Principality to help secure the deal, though you aren't paying for that, we are... Thank you so much, this gives me a lot more history to my two companies that helps flesh them out, even if it is at your expense...

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>>41048761
Thx!! I really like adding on to the lore of others so its my pleasure!!

[War !..kK1Rl3dY No.]

>>41047775
/voms/ would be willing to assist with supplies, but not the movement of people. We would welcome another JP nation to the region filled with EN heathens we tolerate so we would certainly help and perhaps help fund with the transportation. I will take the same stance as alice, i dont want to be a hero or seen as one. Wouldnt mind an alliance with you guys but thats not really something that you should worry about.

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>>41048189
>colonialism
This is an interesting question that I think would justify the wars but there are a lot of factors we must consider here... Obviously wouldn't be similar to it irl, but I think this a good lore topic to be explored, perhaps on the fetish continent even more than Indeia.

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>>41048189
Must you stick your nose into everything? Ruminanon. you don't need them in your lore period.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41050143
I actually do remember there being talks about vsj+ colonizing /feet/ so you might not be too far off there.

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>>41050624
Yes, I think overall "colonization" shouldn't be seen in the same light as we might think of it. I can certainly see us for example colonizing Ringo and that their state(s) exist largely because of Hoshiyomia. Of course, all of this would be up for change if a rep for a nation/province came in regardless and I think that we should be cautious in detailing.

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>>41049923
Sure, that works fine!!
Yes, that sounds like a great idea actually and is more fitting than other alliances and friendships. I have trouble thinking of how we can be friends with lig really considering they stand as something our thread wouldn't particularly like very much.

[Anonymous No.]

Okay, i am finally free... I would be honoured to help with the lig/ccu stuff since I do watch shondo and other cunny chuubas, and post in lig now and ccu in the past. Let me get up to speed first...

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>>41050837
Glad to have you on board!!

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>>41050911
Ok, I have caught up. I really think we should work out /lig/'s government and interior shit before anything personally. As for CCU, yeah that makes sense I guess.

Also knowing the history of /vrt/ would be helpful since the timeline says they weren't really what they are now until 946 or 1036, so I can't say that I particularly know the dates when /lig/ became friendly with them. I am sure he knows more than me on that, but I am hesitant to say that /vrt/ is an ally with /lig/ without knowing the dates, you know?

As far as ccu goes, I can see the reasoning there for both sides, and it would make some fun worldbuilding. I'll think of more ideas...

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>>41051397 (me)
And yes, I did read the lore for /vrt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>41051397
>>41051458
Okey, I will wait too!!

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

>>41047267
Played a bit of monhun and my brain's clear again.

>and can be considered of the larger "Hoshiyomite culture"
If possible I think the borders can be shrunk a bit. There really isn't a river or anything separating the /uuu/ part and everything south. (The edge of the Forest are supposed to be decently open.) And I don't think that the culture's literally that wide. /jp/ magic would effect things but with historical travel speeds unless there are frequent population movements cultures are gonna become relatively static and branch off. How much cultural similarities is shared between the peoples south of the Forest I think should also depend on that.
I actually originally planned for the Council nations to be it's own little cultural group. Which originated from the native inhabitants of the North-West together with people fleeing from the Empire from the East and South West.

>Feudal lords, city states, bishoprics, and other vassals are nominally under our command in this region &
>It is likely that your culture would have a lot of Hoshiyomite Language influences
I'm taking a lot of inspiration from Rus' states. And the period after the split especially should see the elites slowly developing a sort of proto-national consciousness. It also depends on how exactly did the types of interaction went. ~1100 years is a long time with a lot of chances for great linguistic shifts.

Which lead to the second
>and other things that we can get into to add more flavour to /who/ as well as names which you two are terrible at getting.
Turns out that having to name things using a half-finished conlang without a clear guidelines on many aspects related to word building and without using Wikipedia or google translate to name stuff is hard. But the biggest obstacle was the map, which we have now only took like half a year.

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>>41053263
evidently not that clear. Forgot to add that the rep and to an extent me don't necessarily want that much Imperial influence. Not only to reflect the relatively distant relationship between the two historically and also the fact that council was a year apart than Myth. Which translates into the two having a more distinct origin and limited commonality aside from the same pantheon.

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>>41037538
Aight, enough about me and my glorious history, time to give you work.
Remember that bakery business I wanted the survivors to start in /inf/? Yea, I would be moving it to the Republic. Hoomans I would need you opinion on whether you would be ok this as well. Basically we would be starting a bakery business from scratch, eventually expanding into restaurants, cafees and production facilities as well, and opening branches over the vast majority of the holocontinent. I feel that is a good way to represent the scattering of sanallite culture over the other generals.
A particular endgoal of this, tho that would be left up to their rep, would be for that conglomerate to eventually help fund the creation of /cope/ (technically, the general started about 2 weeks before the announcement, so this would be bending the timeline a bit. It's why it would be left up to their rep if they want to include us in or we come in as a later investor)

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

>>41053884
Fun fact. /who/ should still have the bakery built back from our early deal. Though we'll have to rent the building now since that bakery would have been sold by now. Renting a building will be cheaper than building one from scratch since Sanalites have no gold.

Why did the deal in /inf/ for a bakery fall out?

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>>41054675
That was never finished, the civil war arc stopped the plans for it, in and outside the universe iirc. You got admiral Jovial for some starting funds, the start would basically be home baked bread sold on the local market occasionally. Like, starting from complete scratch is what we're doing.

I still want to hear from Hoomans regarding this plan tho, as it would be archived under /who/ lore, not /nasa/. As for /inf/, it's just cuz Kronieronie is busy with life, and while I can slide in his dms anytime, you can't, and I have no intention to be playing telephone between you two regarding this project.

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

>>41054987
Well you can do whatever you want with /nasa/ since I'm not rep anymore. Besides /inf/ and /who/ can build bakeries are for themselves regardless of Sanalite immigrants. I think if Sanalites would take credit for anything it'd be the designs of the brick ovens used to bake bread. For /inf/ they can look into local materials for brick and mortar.

[Anonymous No.]

https://rentry.org/Rumina-Climate-Geology
Rumina anon, I just did your geology and will try to get to the climate tomorrow... Needless to say, you are loaded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41055549
Mate...this is about a specific, one of a kind, Sanallite business that would start out in /who/, and I'm asking you if you want to be the one to develop it.

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>>41055735
>Impressive, Very nice. Thank you Zeta anon. I will be sure to thank my WIfe for her blessing here.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41047775
Sorry but my nation is simply ruled by naive onobots for the most of it that simply aren't very evil by nature.

if you truly desire conflict with all of your neighbors that much then maybe the current spot isn't exactly the best choice after all and i would ask you to consider if the shape of the land or that aspect of the lore is more important to you.

>>41051397
The Retro Reich in itself, with the current borders, exists since 881. The only changes sicne would be on the goverment itself. This is to reflect the name changes that we went through before we stuck with /vrt/.

this is similar to when /aeg/ first renamed into /menace+/ and then /myspace/. Same thread but different names due to reasons.

/lig/ officially aknowledges us in march so that actually is a change because it would be around this time that we did become allies, this conflict could perhaps become the reason for that.

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

>>41055893
Fine. I'll do it. But first I need to hear Admiral Jovial's vision for the project.

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>>41055735
>>41007960
please archive this under climate and geology. And please correct me if I am off but I did a lot of research on geology and found some useful data that I put into this.

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>>41056052
what do you mean.... I didn't call you guys evil at all...

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>>41056052
I see I see... The timeline was misleading then unfortunately, I am sorry. I guess it would be perhaps that conflict, or the aftermath that resulted in it more or less. I will think more on this, can I have a timeline for your nation by any chance just for reference?

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>>41056052
nta but retro, i am really curious how you got:
>if you truly desire conflict with all of your neighbors that much then maybe the current spot isn't exactly the best choice after all and i would ask you to consider if the shape of the land or that aspect of the lore is more important to you.
Out of this
>I am leaving /vrt/ out since I want the cynical view and there to be a degree of conflict over this for them since they right now just seem like good guys totally, which could be wrong. The reasoning also is that they will still be suspicious of this totally and probably shocked at what happened.

This is unnecessarily hostile for what you were presented with.

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>>41056611
I think he is misunderstanding "conflict' when in this case it doesn't mean war but opinions.

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>>41056611
That seems to be the trend of this thread eh?

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>>41056061
Until Ronie gets back to me, you're safe to assume that Jovial simply helped the survivors get off the ground, as one of them is directly responsible for him not dying at the hands of the schizos when the big raid happened. Returning the favour type of deal. He would be a patron that would fund some of the basic necessities for them, and then go on his way back to Infinitum once he saw they have things under control. A passing side character, if you will, but one that the survivors would remember forever, as it was his group that escorted them down to the Republic.

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>>41056611
god forbid /vrt/ be not given the favor of being the totally good guys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41056611
Baffling.

[Anonymous No.]

Hello gentlemen. It seems my falseflagger has been somewhat useful and set me up with rumina. I dont know fucking shit about rumina aside from the thing i read about involving religion so nows a perfect time to do my reps. How are you gentlemen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41057055
Good, how about you??

[Anonymous No.]

>>41057135
just readin before deciding wtf to do

[Anonymous No.]

>>41057383
Your bad guy schedule us writing together, so lets do that!! What should I do??

[Anonymous No.]

>>41057508
>However, for faiths that are considered degenerate, perverse and wicked, Ruminanites are openly cold and even hostile to them and the same even more applies to any faith from the Holopantheon.
>It is also well known that any missionary associated with the Holopantheon operating within the lands of Amemichaelia is subject to death.

Falseflagger....why do you set me up with nations that fucking hate us?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41057758
We don't hate you!! We want to spread the truth to you!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>41056750
Okay so he's helping investing in the project but he wants people who know what they're doing to design the bakery.

I guess for the bakery itself I can break down the floor. It'll have a store in the front with shelves to put bread out to rest. Outside can be a tent canopy with picnic benches for customers to eat sandwiches and soup. There will be cold storage in the back farthest away from the ovens. The room before cold storage would have racks for dough to rest before baking. Behind the store is a kitchen to prepare soup and sandwiches with ranges and counter tops. Beyond that is the baking floor with brick ovens lined up in a wall. Tables will be used to prepare dough for mixing and baking. Home baked bread is the main product but there's also room to bake pastries, cakes, and pies.

The downside about this building is that it needs plenty of space and also some maintenance with chimney cleaning for ranges and ovens. Sanalites can figure out how to run the place but we'll need Hoomans to figure out where to buy our ingredients.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41057898
Seems ok to me. Once Hoomans get back to me on whether we can even do this, I'll just leave it to you three, only popping in for occasional input.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41057800
I do mention that risuners are passionate to their wives once they obtain one. Its just that the single ones are fucking degens. Also what exactly is the "truth"? Because i saw the commandments and risuners are inf act very loyal to Risu they just dont see her as a wife.

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>>41057898 (me)
Forgot trip. But if you just want to start with only the bakery we can do that. Then later when we have the money we can build a restauraunt next to the bakery. They'll be two different businesses with the same owner. That's probably the best way to go. They'll both use the same cold storage room.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41058041
That Rushia was betrayed by her friends and hololive itself, and that she did not do the things she was accused of by them.

[Anonymous No.]

Fellow Catalognaut autists, a question.
A common catalognaut is generally assumed to be able to manifest their conceptual magic without the use of glyphs, so would the basic chuubanite abilities of light, heat, and directional force be able to be used in the same way by all catalognauts in a similar way? I'm not saying that all could use them at will but from the way they've been depicted and spoken about, catalognauts act as both chuubanite and glyph and can activate based off of will, thought, or neural impulse depending on how you want to view it. I don't see it as too far off that a catalognaut could activate certain basic effects based off of mental condition and cognitive capability without a physical glyph or even a audible glyph, though that's taking the idea of catalognauts as "hyper glyphs" into the equation.

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>>41056155
I think you owe retro an apology for disrespecting him. Onobots are one of the most friendly and good entities in the wor.ld, and are passionate about helping people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41058041
Obviously, just looking to cause issues.

[Anonymous No.]

4 hours left until the vote is over!
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Placement of new nations
>1. Should PPT be put at its former borders in the world per their rep? >>40404582 (Y/N/A)
>2. Should Rumina be put at their desired location per Figure 1. (Y/N/A)

Indie Continent Changes (see >>40709774 for reasoning)
>3. Should the borders of the Indie Continent be updated per Figure 2 (Y/N/A)

Summary:
MySpace->vrt
MySpace->voms
MySpace->pcg
Pcg->voms
Pcg->774
Reason: Phase War (Lore)

By-Laws Changes (See >>40910260 )
>4. If a nation was turned into provinces and wants to use their old borders, they can have them without needing to hold a vote, assuming the land hasn't been taken by any other threads? (Y/N/A)
>>By Law would read "There is no vote for a nation wishing to use their old borders if they were turned into provinces, assuming the land is available."
>5. Change the wording of By-Law 4.2 from (Y/N/A):
>>Previous Wording: "Link to a post containing a rentry link pertaining to lore or story of the thread one is voting for, with the rentry edited to verify the poster to be authentic."
>>New Wording: "Voting Rentry that needs to be verified with story or lore doc the first time it is used to verify the poster to be authentic."
>>Voting Rentries will be placed in the Trip Verification Rentry once Verified.

As the VoteAnon for those that are using the Rentry method, even if you have done this before, I need lore with the Voting Rentry since the current method dictates that. I will not count votes that did not do this. Also, if your trip is not verified, please try to get it verified.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41059151
5 hours actually oops...

[Anonymous No.]

>8. Thou shalt never contemplate the bosom size of a woman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41059399
This is going to be impossible for you to write with, OG. Come over to Moriji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41059151
1. Y
2. A
3. A
4. Y
5. A
https://rentry.org/yybyx

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

>>41058039
I think I'll go with >>41058156 where we start with a bakery first, then expand a restauraunt later. Sanalites usually like having all in one things and places due to limited space. But due to chimneys and fire hazards separating the buildings make more sense. The buildings can share cold storage in the back. So that's no problem. Alternatively the kitchen can be an outdoor grill. But I'm thinking its better to make the bakery first. Then build kitchen 5 years later.

Now we just need a grain and yeast supplier. Also we could use a well for water.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41059521
Lunaito, can you please keep this doc as your voting rentry from now on and just put what you voted for in it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41059513
We already did kek. Moriji and risuners are best friends

[Anonymous No.]

>>41060040
We want more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41060120
More visits? More stuff? More characters? You better be specific

[Anonymous No.]

>>41060246
I want more visits to moriji before anything else.

[Anonymous No.]

Voting is for the weak.

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

>>41060246
>TFW you can't head pat cute squirrels because your people tried to grill them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41058582
To keep it simple, yes, catalognauts would be able to use the basic chuubanite abilities, that's plausible. Since catalognauts draw power from their alignment with their affinity, I think it would make sense that powers specific to their type are greater than generalist powers, but that is a rather arbitrary thing. This would be particularly useful for catalognauts with concepts that aren't really suited to specific powers, I guess.
>>41047775
The great migration is 976-986 VTE, correct? Given we did have a few fandeads come to the thread and few other places in the holosphere would be welcoming, it would make sense if a chunk headed this way. Pros are that you're emigrating to a developed nation instead of fighting/settling your way into a new land, and the voyage is mostly coastal, while the trip to the promised land is transoceanic. Cons are that you're going to live with EN barbarians and not going to the promised land. Basically Jews migrating to the USA instead of Israel kek. Same thought process with NASFAQg, I guess.
Not sure about the exact number, doesn't really matter desu. Fandeads can probably be assumed to be a diaspora in Moriji in the current day. Maybe the better comparison is with Irish-Americans following the Great Famine.
Something I haven't seen mentioned yet, due to the yab, you can probably presume that the chuubanite in the original land of /rushia/ became more energetic during that period. What exact form that takes is up to you, but it could likely help explain why the nation failed to remain as a sovereign entity by being a destabilizing factor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41060420
>tried to grill them.
Nigger we very much did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41059971
If I'm being blunt, I'd really rather not. Giving this system any air of ritual or integrity only helps in giving writers a reason to ignore the glaring flaws in it and the subsidiary systems surrounding it. It has come to a point where I'd literally describe that some posters are almost delusional in their reaction to the problems that get brought up and it runs counter for me to interact with this, the rep, or the province system as if they're legitimate and not built on crumbling ground.
If its really necessary for me to keep this specific entry instead of just updating a lore entry, I'll do it, if only as a show of good faith. I don't expect it to be returned in any meaningful way but that's not really the point. It is actually necessary isn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41061209
Those flaws being? You've been spouting about them for a while now, but from memory, you have yet to actually say anything of substance on the matter aside from it being "built on crumbling ground".

[Anonymous No.]

>>41061209
Frankly, i would have preferred that you would have made your voice known earlier, as we could have had a discussion on the updated lore entry idea as a potential verification method. I understand your frustration with your interactions, but it is my role as the non-partisan vote anon to make sure that we follow the rules of voting, which are what they are, and uphold them. The whole reason behind this was someone falseflagging as Sakuran to vote, and someone recently just tried to do it as hag. Thats the only reason for verification. We can truly have a discussion on the rep system if you wish, that is no issue to me. But remember that i must follow the by-laws as voteanon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41061629
I dont see why his vote should be counted. You are being partisan here

[Anonymous No.]

>>41061209
WADDUP PINK MAN

[Anonymous No.]

grrr bratty candy shota!! needs correction!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>41061484
NTA. But well... At this point half the reps are IRL friends that will be aligned on all matters. And that's benevolently assuming those are indeed all different people.
Granted, I'm not sure what to do about it. The nature of the website is that a voting system like this relies on good faith use, so if we don't get that it breaks down. The only real solution is to try to avoid controversial votes where the majority faction would force the hand of the other anons.
Maybe we should increase the percentage of votes needed for a motion to pass? This way we'd essentially need to reach a consensus to pass a vote. Most of our decisions have been like this, and more controversial votes have sometimes caused issues. Forcing a consensus to be reached would help with that. Maybe 90% approval? I think that could actually work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41062033
>90%
20 vote, 17 yeas, 2 nays, 1 abstain. VOTE FAILS
Do you realize how brain dead this is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41062033
Oh boy kids, its Mr. i know everyone is falseflagging but i wont say who, Mr. I will cause a timeloop and claim I am not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41062161
I think it's a good idea. Then we re-do the vote with no abstains. If the abstain votes nay as well, then that's three writers that oppose the motion, perhaps their opinion should be considered. Motion is studied again, improved, and then it eventually passes. I think it would help fix the issue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41060788
Somes good to me, that was what I thought anyways!!!
I will think of chuubanite evenutally..

[Anonymous No.]

>>41062288
>then that's three writers that oppose the motion, perhaps their opinion should be considered.
But by doing this you would be throwing aside the opinion of the other 17 people who voted Aye, and there is no guarantee that the motion can ever be improved to the point where it would reach that 90% bar to pass. So you would just be going around in circles until people get fed up with it and vote Aye just to get it out of the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41062432
That's his point, he wants to avoid anything controversial so the rights of literally 3 reps can be protected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41062523
Ye stfu, I'm having a convo here, k?

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41056155
>I want the cynical view and there to be a degree of conflict over this for them since they right now just seem like good guys totally
The statement of evil was in reference to that because onobts jsut simply aren't so i sadly cannot provide that cynical view that you want. so the statement of leaving /vrt/ out because
>The reasoning also is that they will still be suspicious of this totally and probably shocked at what happened.
is just not how it would be annd misrepresenting how we would view this, i tried at several times that to make this clear that we would not look badly upon you for your actions.

the other statement regarding your placement was a honest suggestion with no malcie behind it because as a writer i jsut simply am not interested in writing constant conflict with a neighboring nation and as for /lig, to be honest, it doesn't make sense to write them as a nation that constantly loses land towards you with no repercusion and that would be afraid of you. and with /yah/ being dead in current time for a while, that spot would be empty and thus also not somewhere you can expand towards.

despite what other shitheads like to paint it like, i didn't mean anything bad with those things towards you, forgive me beign esl and not the best with my wording.

>>41056279
I will admit i misremembered the exact time when /lig/ put us into their OP but technicly /lig/ chuubas had been shared in /vrt/ even around the time of the rushia yab.

this is the rough timeline:
676 – Crash of the Onobots
881 – Onobots become de facto leader of the land mass later known as the Retro Reich
946 – The Nation of Onolumi was formed but due to Onobots not able to properly rule on their own the nation goes through several changes to form a more proper form of nation.
1036 – Proto Retro Reich is formed
1073 – Retro Reich is formed in its current form

at this time the nation would be a bunch of region that still see themselves as sovereign in their regions outside of the onobots that they would consider their rulers and the other regions as allies untied with them udner the oobots

[Anonymous No.]

>>41062033
More than half, most of the oldfag reps are friends with each other too and vote similarly. This is literally counter productive and comes off as you complaining that sometime in the past, a voting measure you wanted didn't get passed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41062432
I think it's pretty reasonable to have changes to the status quo have to reach a higher standard than maintaining things the same. Maintaining the status quo has an inherent safety to it, while changes can be disruptive. It would just mean the pro-side of a motion would need to be more mindful of bringing other people to their side, which would encourage discussion and reaching an agreement on controversial matters.
The higher voting threshold by-law would need to specify that the "Yay" vote should always represent the side that changes the status quo, to avoid exploiting double negatives.
Also, I think the threshold should be lower, perhaps 60-70% for land assignment votes, since I can imagine situations where a deadlock harmful to lore creation for the new nation could be created otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41062602
Assuming that's true (but imo that's a misrepresentation, IRL friends prior to the project != to becoming friends through participating in the project), that would mean the two """factions""" are forced to work together to pass a motion, which seems like it would be healthy for the thread to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41062721
If it would help bring more discussion to the matters that need voting on, then I do see merit in such a change. I still remember Mountain having to bring up Provinces for 3 weeks in a row and no comments being made on them before the time for a vote came. Perhaps raising the threshold to 75% would be ok, 3/4 of the voters agreeing seems like a nice balance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41062721
>>41063015
2/3 should be the median unless its something like By-Laws, then up to 3/4.

Personally, I haven't seen many votes when properly discussed that have had major conflict. Mans is the only example, and that was a shitshow from all sides involved. Most votes pass easily with these parameters but I also want to note that voting Abstain means you want further discussion more than "I just don't have interest." Not voting for one issue represents that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41062596
Well I am sorry!! I wasn't assuming that of onobots but the normal people.. Can you clear this more for me as to what changes happened??

[Anonymous No.]

>>41063140
>Not voting for one issue represents that.
This should be put in the bylaws honestly, because I don't think all anons get this. Of particular note, and not calling you out, is V7, which abstained on a lot of votes because it was not involved into the discussion, when it could just not vote on it.

[Mepman !AvkpUsvqyw No.]

>>41059151
/mep/ votes:
1. Aye, welcome.
2. Aye, welcome
3. Aye, they all agreed on it.
4. Aye, that should have already been in place
5. Aye, that also should have been in place


I support the 2/3 threshold if Anons are really concerned about votes, but considering how many votes have been that close, it's hard to say and Did something happen that would warrant this strong of a reaction?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41063264
It's fair because I didn't understand until recently, and thus have only voted on the By-Laws this time. I saw /who/ doing it so I assumed that is what it meant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41063342
Pretty sure it's pink man venting his frustrations as usual that started it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41063401
Yea, it's ok, I wasn't calling you out, you were just the first example that popped into my head.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41063462
That's fair though kek. I knew you weren't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41063015
>>41063140
>Personally, I haven't seen many votes when properly discussed that have had major conflict.
That's the main reason I think this would work. I think it's probable that votes with less consensus were likely under-discussed. I do think a higher threshold than 75% would be preferable.
>>41063264
Agreed. Abstaining and not voting are both options with different effects. This should be added and specified as well.
>>41063406
No, I've had this in mind for a while, unrelated to Lunaito.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41063554
Why 75%? 2/3 is a standard supermajority vote. By-Law changes are like amendments to a constitution so they should have 75%.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41063650
The circumstances of real votes aren't the same as ours. Also, just to be clear, all our decisions beside land assignments are practically changes to the bylaws, right?

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41063216
Onobots are the uniter of our lands and have done a lot to help the people and therefore are treated with respect and their opinion have a high value for our people. also your people aren't going on a murder spree for fun but because of the murder rape of one of your people. it is well justified in our eyes and for the conflict on the mainland, we basicly asked you to be involved.

but for the things goign forward. the idea of having to write constant conflict and struggle with a eighboring nation honestly is sounding very stressful and not something i would enjoy a lot, so for the retro reich i really rather would liek to avoid that, simpel as that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41063726
Who said that I would ever be at war with you?? Thx for your clarification.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41063554
I don't quite buy the "Had it on my mind" thing as there probably is something that triggered you to say this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41063816
Triggered seems like a charged word kek. But yes, while I've been thinking about what to do about the voting system for a bit, Lunaito bringing it up as a topic is why we're discussing this atm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41063816
There is no reason to even ask what "triggered" someone to ask a question imo or bring up a topic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41064010
I disagree, I think that matters a lot because it can help us understand if there is a deeper problem.

[Anonymous No.]

1562 VTE, Moriji's latest crustacean-based humanoid bio-mecha.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41061484
I've listed them out several times, which can be attested to by even the most schizophrenic of posters, but I'll do that again since it never hurts. I can go through all of them but
>Rep System
The most obvious flaw of the rep system is its complete and overwhelming reliance on an individual anonymous poster and the trust of that individual anonymous poster to be genuine in what they say and do. As it stands, anybody that appears and says that they'd like to write for a nation is considered to be that nation's rep and is given a large amount of control over what they want to do for that nation and how they'd like to develop and present it. Being a rep immediately comes with the expectation of writing lore soon after introduction and being "present", either available when someone has a question for you or your nation or consistently available online. This is a system that overwhelmingly advocates and actively encourages false flagging and from my experience of being honest and open about my intentions for writing lore for generals that I frequent, if I didn't have a personal sense of integrity I very well probably would just false flag as a new writer instead of dealing with the hassle of being honest. I've tested how well people can distinguish me from other posters and even before several people pretended to be me, its not consistent whatsoever. People believed me and Artic were the same person essentially up until we made any effort to distinguish ourselves and there are many times where I've realized that people thought I was a brand new poster even as I told them that I had been writing in the thread since the beginning. The idea that anyone of us can distinguish from another poster based on writing style alone is obscene and borders on arrogant delusion as to how close we are to someone we do not know, outside of glaring circumstances such as PG where the effort required to mimic him would be tedious and not worth the result or World Exploring Sanalite where his general posting tendencies are too erratic to mimic in any conceivable way, including the constant trip. I also greatly conflict with the idea that Reps are the sole decider of their lore and their thread because an anonymous poster can very easily just do a little research and say they're from such and such thread to convince people that only have a surface level on that thread, I can recall a moment where OG was frustrated that he couldn't properly convey how he viewed his version of risuners and I gave a brief description of what I thought they were like and his response was something along the lines of, "I can't believe a non risuner could put it into words better than I could" and this is something that isn't meant to take the piss out of OG but is more to illustrate the fact that a writer can have practically 0 experience with a thread and still be able to write things that can pass as an authentic representation of that thread. Even writers that have clearly displayed that they understand and have the capacity to write for a nation can and often do write things that don't particularly fit both their thread and its behavior because of the desire for collaboration with other writers and for a sense of forward movement for your nation to stay relevant as a member of /vtwbg/, this isn't a bad thing and is something that most writers including myself have done but it adds to the point that trying to determine authenticity via observation is too nuanced for anyone to be able to do unless an absurd amount of effort invested. You could say that it's the effort put into lore that really defines how consistent and interested in building their nation any writer is and to that I'd point out that you're expecting a lot from someone that just entered this thread because it's premise was interesting, not everyone has a consistent schedule that allows them the time they need to write something that fleshes out the aspects of their thread, a thread that has enough history and culture to be elaborated on, and the writing ability to do something like that in first place let alone an interest in the thread. There are many writers who popped in for a short time before coming back to put their lore down(ppt, moona), lots of writers who had lore scraps and eventually came back to finish or refresh them(towa, wtm), and writers who still do technically have lore scraps written in the very beginning(sakuran, rbc, pyon). Ultimately, the people most likely to falseflag aren't even necessarily malicious individuals that want to manipulate and obfuscate but people that are interested in writing for /vtwbg/ more than they are just writing their home general. I'm fairly certain I've already said this before but the first thing I wrote in this thread was not a luna piece, it was a greentext about /meat/. The greentext was inaccurate and an actual /meat/head pointed it out but I checked /meat/ out and there were people who thought I was one of them-

[Anonymous No.]

>>41064737
The most obvious flaw of the rep system is its complete and overwhelming reliance on an individual anonymous poster and the trust of that individual anonymous poster to be genuine in what they say and do. As it stands, anybody that appears and says that they'd like to write for a nation is considered to be that nation's rep and is given a large amount of control over what they want to do for that nation and how they'd like to develop and present it. Being a rep immediately comes with the expectation of writing lore soon after introduction and being "present", either available when someone has a question for you or your nation or consistently available online. This is a system that overwhelmingly advocates and actively encourages false flagging and from my experience of being honest and open about my intentions for writing lore for generals that I frequent, if I didn't have a personal sense of integrity I very well probably would just false flag as a new writer instead of dealing with the hassle of being honest.

I've tested how well people can distinguish me from other posters and even before several people pretended to be me, its not consistent whatsoever. People believed me and Artic were the same person essentially up until we made any effort to distinguish ourselves and there are many times where I've realized that people thought I was a brand new poster even as I told them that I had been writing in the thread since the beginning. The idea that anyone of us can distinguish from another poster based on writing style alone is obscene and borders on arrogant delusion as to how close we are to someone we do not know, outside of glaring circumstances such as PG where the effort required to mimic him would be tedious and not worth the result or World Exploring Sanalite where his general posting tendencies are too erratic to mimic in any conceivable way, including the constant trip.

I also greatly conflict with the idea that Reps are the sole decider of their lore and their thread because an anonymous poster can very easily just do a little research and say they're from such and such thread to convince people that only have a surface level on that thread, I can recall a moment where OG was frustrated that he couldn't properly convey how he viewed his version of risuners and I gave a brief description of what I thought they were like and his response was something along the lines of, "I can't believe a non risuner could put it into words better than I could" and this is something that isn't meant to take the piss out of OG but is more to illustrate the fact that a writer can have practically 0 experience with a thread and still be able to write things that can pass as an authentic representation of that thread.

Even writers that have clearly displayed that they understand and have the capacity to write for a nation can and often do write things that don't particularly fit both their thread and its behavior because of the desire for collaboration with other writers and for a sense of forward movement for your nation to stay relevant as a member of /vtwbg/, this isn't a bad thing and is something that most writers including myself have done but it adds to the point that trying to determine authenticity via observation is too nuanced for anyone to be able to do unless an absurd amount of effort invested.

You could say that it's the effort put into lore that really defines how consistent and interested in building their nation any writer is and to that I'd point out that you're expecting a lot from someone that just entered this thread because it's premise was interesting, not everyone has a consistent schedule that allows them the time they need to write something that fleshes out the aspects of their thread, a thread that has enough history and culture to be elaborated on, and the writing ability to do something like that in first place let alone an interest in the thread. There are many writers who popped in for a short time before coming back to put their lore down(ppt, moona), lots of writers who had lore scraps and eventually came back to finish or refresh them(towa, wtm), and writers who still do technically have lore scraps written in the very beginning(sakuran, rbc, pyon).

Ultimately, the people most likely to falseflag aren't even necessarily malicious individuals that want to manipulate and obfuscate but people that are interested in writing for /vtwbg/ more than they are just writing their home general. I'm fairly certain I've already said this before but the first thing I wrote in this thread was not a luna piece, it was a greentext about /meat/. The greentext was inaccurate and an actual /meat/head pointed it out but I checked /meat/ out and there were people who thought I was one of them-

Solid post so far, here is some reddit spacing so it's readable for the non-PG-attuned.

[Anonymous No.]

https://rentry.org/Rumina-Climate-Geology
Here Ruminanon, I got it done for you. If you want to learn about agriculture in your region, I recommend looking into the places IRL that have those climates, but also consider other factors like rivers for example when it comes to that. Truly, a chosen land.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41063764
Then i think this was just miscommunication between the two of us. i was mainly just worried that you want to create a situation of strife between our nations with how things where phrased instead of being on friendly terms and that is also why you rather have others help you instead oof us at all from how it sounded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41065352
No no, as for the help, it was more of me trying to spread the love to others who would be willing..

[Anonymous No.]

>>41053884
Yeah, it's fine, it's basically what we already had but now locally funded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41065465
Wonderful. I'll leave you and bread dog to figure out the details then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41065242
Thx btw!! i really appreciate this!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>41064737
-just because I had taken interest in the concepts that were being talked about with /meat/. This has happened and continues to happen where the interest that somebody expresses for another nation is restricted by an arbitrary rule that restricts the creativity that someone whose familiar with a thread can actually do. Was the rep system really meant to make it so that you could only write for your nation because that's what its started to become. If you decided to vocally say that you're going to write for another nation, you'll generally get a negative response, if not a negative than an apprehensive one where others are cautious of what you're doing and how you're doing it, if you have an ulterior motive, if you ever actually bothered visiting the thread at all. This alone would be enough for a decent individual to just say "fuck it" and go full in on false flagging as a new person but on the positive end, new reps are given overwhelming support and opinions on how their nation might operate with threads that they're related to but also how they might operate internally. Any baggage that a poster might have as the rep of another nation won't carry over as long as they watch their step and they can explore fully ideas that they were dissuaded from doing as another rep, not only that but they can also influence the vote if they believe intensely that they're positions are in the right. Hell, most votes are not that decisive and don't have much division already, you could just have a convenient parrot to vocalize why your point is correct that could persuade others to see you out. If I want to see this world fleshed out and filled with life, why wouldn't I just pull out my phone or switch to another browser when I post about a new thread if its genuinely beneficial to /vtwbg/ and I know that I'm capable of representing it properly? I push this question bluntly because the only answer I can think of is that it takes a smidge more effort but in this thread, everyone puts some effort in, either through researching or writing or discussion. A little more really wouldn't hurt.
Having a system like this that relies so overwhelmingly on trusting anonymous strangers has caused an inverse effect where trusting other people gets legitimately harder to do the more writers we have because the likelihood that those writers are just other anons that wanted to explore new ideas with chuubas they watch is just as if not more likely to occur. It's generally either ignored or greatly discouraged that you be suspicious of odd things that occur here because the rep system relies entirely on trusting strangers whom cannot be verified in anyway, we've already seen examples where writers have been ganged up on for voicing these things and in general where several people lambast posters that feel as though others are disingenuous and anons with genuine concerns are called schizos, many times even without them being overtly negative.
I'm fairly certain that there's more I could list out but I'm also certain that even the most delusional schizo or the most die hard rep supporter can understand and logically see that this system encourages falseflagging more than it does new writers, especially considering what happened when I vocally say that I intend to and am writing for /lig/, /ag/, and /luna/.
>>41061887
The sun usually.
>>41061629
What is the specific bylaw so I know I'm following it?

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41064737
>>41065207
those points are all valid and worth consideration and i never considered the current system without flaws itself.

by biggest issue however is that with no system of control in place that this will quickly devolve into timelooping about all kinds of things.

one issue would be that if there are no restrictions of any kind in npalce anymore that this project will quickly turnn into whoever can write things faster is essentially in the drivers seat of lore for nations and anyone slower will constantly be on the backburner of things because they might work out something for a thread they like but then someoe else jumps in and quickly sets soemthing up for that nationn and then the first personn has doe it all for nothing because his now contradicts that first bit.

even worse is when people start writing lore not foor the intent of creating lore but to block lore of other people because they don't like it or worse, that person.

similar when people create lore involving several nations, so that the threads they like will come out looking better or some personal feelings in regard to some threads. an example of that would have been if under this system i had writte a conflict with /yah/ and /vrt/ based on my own misconceptions of things, which would have been not correct in portraying the reality of thigs and only something i learned due to a /yah/ rep being a thing now.

deciding big issues for the whole of the thread that we currently are voting for also will become far more of an issue if there is nothing in place to at least try and make it a fair process.

but overall i do agree that this can use some more discussion and maybe some reworking of things to maybe make the system overall better and maybe fix some of the current issues of the system.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41066089
By-Law4
All votes must contain at least one of the following to be considered valid
Tripcode of verified representative of the voting thread
Link to a post containing a rentry link pertaining to lore or story of the thread one is voting for, with the rentry edited to verify the poster to be authentic.

Also reminder that I wrote this particularly at the vote
>As the VoteAnon for those that are using the Rentry method, even if you have done this before, I need lore with the Voting Rentry since the current method dictates that. I will not count votes that did not do this. Also, if your trip is not verified, please try to get it verified.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41066598
>>Voting Rentries will be placed in the Trip Verification Rentry once Verified.
This is the reason why...

[Anonymous No.]

>>41066752 (me)
I am being difficult now for you sake. Your vote counts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41066598
>>41067319
>Link to a post containing a rentry link pertaining to lore or story of the thread one is voting for, with the rentry edited to verify the poster to be authentic.
Ah well then.
>>41066394
I can see the issues that total anarchy would result in and have seen what happens without any system in place to have a bar on what lore does what.
>one issue would be that if there are no restrictions of any kind in npalce anymore that this project will quickly turnn into whoever can write things faster is essentially in the drivers seat of lore for nations and anyone slower will constantly be on the backburner of things because they might work out something for a thread they like but then someoe else jumps in and quickly sets soemthing up for that nationn and then the first personn has doe it all for nothing because his now contradicts that first bit.
I feel like situations like these can be solved through not immediately canonizing lore just because its in and allowing some time for people to actually check it out and voice their concerns, I'd rather have a semi-canon state for the lore of repless nations than to just have an amorphous nothing zone of implied cultures, we can all see the discussions between people that disagree on how their thread should be written and can voice out own concerns if we need to, even if we're not from those threads, we did construct this setting and many of us have familiarity with other threads in one way or another so us voicing our opinions on it isn't at all something that I think should be dismissed. We can still have reps but I think an actual blunt enforcing of the Rep and Mediator idea would help much more, especially in making falseflagging less of a worry and certainly in not encouraging it, in fact, I think if the role of Mediator was fleshed out and maybe given some restrictions and rules to abide, it wouldn't even matter if one person was vocal about being a writer/mediator for more than one nation if we did it correctly. If a falseflagger was falseflagging in order to exert control than that'd be one thing but we really need to figure out how to have people that visit and consider themselves a part of several different threads to be able to write for different threads and explore this world without restriction.

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

>>41065465
What's your opinion on splitting the bakery into two smaller buildings? We'll have the main bakery as one building with one chimney and the sandwich cafe in another building with its own chimney?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41059151
/wg/ votes: https://rentry.org/wgballot
1. Y
2. Y
3. A
4. Y
5. Y

[Anonymous No.]

>>41067767
Sounds nice, make a diagram to organize your ideas. Would the two buildings be connected?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41068300
I understand that you have already done this, and this is technically lore, but for the sake of consistency, can you drop an edited lore doc?

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

>>41069327
It depends on the budget. Ideally I want the buildings to be adjacent neighbors because they'll share cold storage via ice house. Also two buildings will prevent the wooden range and brick ovens from sharing a chimney, which would affect the quality of bread. Alternatively I can move the cafe outside with a tent canopy. The stove used to cook soups can work outside. Might even be better to have an outside grill for meat. The cafe's menu is sandwiches, soup, and coffee.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41066394
Good points here as well, I think this sums up nicely both the limitations and advantages of the rep system... The question is how to morph it into an hybrid that tackles those issues. This >>41067384 addresses one of the problems. I think moving towards a system of decision by consensus would also help with the voting-related concerns.
I also agree formalizing further the difference between Rep and Mediator would help. With a vote by consensus, all that matters is that nearly everyone can come to an agreement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41070353
Another question is: can one person be a "mediator" for multiple threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41070148
Doesn't the ballot itself count as an edited lore doc? Anyway, here you go: https://rentry.org/tfas8

[Anonymous No.]

>>41071164
Eh, I just don't want anyone saying double standards.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41067384
well for oe, the system thats actually supposed to be in place is meant to adress some of these issues but the problem is that people are very stuck in the old view of rep etc. that people aren't aknowledging it at all. and i fully admit with nno one carign for it i myself kid of forgot what the system actually is meant to be.

the way it is supposed to be is 3 tier system of:

a Mediator, a person of absolute authority for the canon of a thread for solvign conflicts. this is meant to be someone that really annd truly knnows a thread and considers it their home. they can judge if something written is faithful to a thread or not. I would be this for /vrt/ because i have been with the thread from its beginnings and actually was pretty much the only baker for the thread, i also do the horsemen/sin polls for it, created the OP and its chuubalist and even am involved in its divegrass team, so i would consider myself knnowledgeable of /vrt/

a representative of a thread, people that are knowledgeable of a thread but not necessarily see it as their homethread or accept that a different writer for their thread simply is better suited for the role of Mediator. Warsuner would be an example of this for /risu/, as he is knowledgeable of the thread and cann judge lore for it well but he also accepts that OG is better as mediator for /risu/.

a writer for a thread, this one is meant to be way more lax, you don't need to consider a thread your homethread or be a regular for it but simply feel confident enough to write for a thread that you think it will be faithful for that thread. But you are also willing to admit that you are not the go to for making any decisions for a thread and that others with knowledge of that thread potentially say that your written work is not quite fitting as they see it and that it could be considered non-canon for that reason or need some rework. Example for this would be if i were to write a piece for /asmr/ since yeah i do lsiten to some but i neither frequent the thread regularly nor do i watch msot of these chuubas outside of their asmr streams.

you could potentially consider baseline assumption made of threads to be a fourth level below, where people don't know anything or very little of a thread but are able to make some very basic assumption of a nation for the purpose of creating lore related to them, like assuming /ahoy/ has to do with pirates as we did in the past.

if people were more willing to work with this framework i feel we would be much more free in many regards than the mindset that usually goes around of rep/no-rep and thats it.

another thing to better support this and make the writing part less "poltiical" would be to actually have these roles for writing completly seperated from voting at all so that even if due to perceptions of persecution someone does falseflag as a different anon to write for a different thread, somethign that shouldn't really be a concern with this system, that it also doesn't also become a situation of falseflagging that gains votes for one.

but that would require a new voting system overall that is unrelated to threads and nations, while also giving a fair distribution of who is to vote and not turn into a shitshow in itself

[Anonymous No.]

>>41071454
I really don't think OG is a better mediator for /risu/ over warsuner. OG is just a good face.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41071573
This isn't about that, nor the perceptions of people outside of this situation. they can figure mediator stuff out on their ownn unrelated to this discussion

[Anonymous No.]

>>41071573
OG is despised by most other risuners from the whole ERP in catalog shit, he is not a good face

[Anonymous No.]

>>41008057
Vote is done! All measures pass yay!
Read more:
https://rentry.org/o8t9c

[Anonymous No.]

>>41072088
So he should just be a writer then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41071454
Thanks for breaking this down, this is a nice refresher. That is exactly what I remember us settling on regarding the Med/Rep/Writer distinctions.
I am recording this conversation in a rentry, to hopefully put together a proposal addressing all this and to help the thread be more functional and comfy: https://rentry.org/voting-reform
>>41072176
Thanks for running the vote, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41072368
Np, thank you!

[Anonymous No.]

>>41072368
>>41071454
Let's find a better word for Representative, since that implies voting. I actually would propose arbitrator for the top tier, get rid off representative and replace that with mediator

Arbitrator is a stronger word to use for that role.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41070328
I want a 50 page business plan with all costs and expentures laid out. Hop to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41072088
Actually nobody fucking cares. Stop saying this. And that ERP stuff hasnt been done in half a year at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41072676
How about "Princeps" (First among Equals) for the top role.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41072736
"Auntie" has done the damage already

[Anonymous No.]

>>41072676
Consultant instead of Representative
Princeps (First among Equals for top.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41072897
Princeps, Consul and Tribune? Chuuni...

[Anonymous No.]

>>41070328
I wouldn't worry too much about budget, it's not like you're planning on establishing a world franchise (wink wink nudge nudge). Althought, I guess instead of two buildings it could also be two offices next to each other, start small's what I mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41072773
The last thing we need in this project is more principalities kek.
>>41072676
I don't think the exact word is massively important. The rep is the one who does the voting, from what I understand. The person who does the vote doesn't need to be the highest authority of the thread, just someone who can gather opinions to represent said thread. The mediator's role is to mediate any conflicts regarding lore. Mediator and Rep are fine words I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41072975
This sounds liek it would be fun!! I approve of these terms...

[Anonymous No.]

>>41072779
There is no fucking damage. Your the only one whining about it and your not even a risuner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41073060
I thought it was a cool idea!

[Anonymous No.]

>>41072368
I thinks its also important to point out that originally, meditators did not vote and reps were specifically meant to be those who did. Dont know if that still would work or if having the primary lore decider on lore would still be a good idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41073176
I love it, i want these terms for the chuuniness!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>41073176
To be quite honest, I think it sounds larpy, chuuni and a bit silly while not being very obvious or descriptive to the layman as to what that person's role is. Since this is a purely meta, organizational term, I think practicality and minimizing confusion ought to be the main concern.
>>41073230
I don't think mediators were ever meant to vote. It's just that if there is one anon for a thread, he'll end up being both rep and mediator.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41072368
I think the system, as it is meant to be, would already give way more freedom than what we currently enforce. The biggest issue here is the human factor of actually adapting and that we actually need to keep this in mind when people voice their desire to write outside their "home" for example. And also that people need to be honest inn regard to how connected they truly are to other threads. I would be confident myself to consider myself Mediator for /vrt/ and a representative of /lig/, /hfz/ and /hag/ but outside of those i don't think i could qualify as more than a writer even if i do also lurk /corpo/ and /wvt/ more regularly and thus work written for those two and any other should be inspected by others more throurugly.

The other issue is to come up with a new voting system that functions outside this writing system and is still also fair to everyone.

in a perfect world i would say that anyone that can identify themselves as a writer with work they contributed to the world should qualify but obviously that is way too exploitable and someone can just create 5 rentries for 5 nationns without making it clear its their work and then vote 5 times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41073352
But it is supposed to be silly! I just want to have some fun with names instead of boring names...

[Anonymous No.]

It's okay Meppa and Ruminabro, we can use the Chuuni terms like nerds! Mere plebeians will not understand what the Patricians of Chuuni want!

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

>>41073044
The bakery needs a minimum amount of space to work. The storefront is small but the kitchen needs to be fairly large to hold enough ovens to bake a baker's dozen of bread loaves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41073389
I think Representative and Mediator should be flipped, or at least just clarify Representative means voting power.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41073389
>in a perfect world i would say that anyone that can identify themselves as a writer with work they contributed to the world should qualify but obviously that is way too exploitable and someone can just create 5 rentries for 5 nationns without making it clear its their work and then vote 5 times.
That does seem like a big issue

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>>41073556
Dang right!

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41073060
>>41073230
actually with the rework of dunnno how long ago that is not correct.

at first mediators and reps were one and the same thing annd didn't exist as their own thing.
Threads either had a rep that did all the decisions for a thread or nonreps. The 3 way split was meant to make this more nuanced.

with the system put in place that introduced Mediators, reps weren't the voters but mediators where, people just were always too stuck in the rep/nno-rep thinking that they ever used the new terms correctly.

honestly, renaming both roles once more to help implement these roles and what they are meant to be might actually be a good thing and help getting rid of this archaic thinking. so i fully support ideas for that and get rid of rep being a term for any of these and become a new term for a nenw role related to voting that has nothing to do with natiosn anymore

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41073636
Either renaming both once more or flipping it aroudn to be more accurate to what people perceive the roles to be is probably necessary one way or another.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41073556
I will admit that the chuuniness of this is inticing me my friend... Oh, screw it. I will embrace the Senate and People of /vtwbg/ fully. Chuunibros, unite.

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>>41073427
I mean, feel free to call yourself the Princeps of /mep/, I can't stop you lol. Boring, descriptive, easy to understand and useful is what the bylaws should be, though.
>>41073389
Yeah, that's why this should come alongside some sort of voting reform to reduce the potential effect of stuff like >>41073643, possibly using principles of consensus decision-making as mentioned above https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making .
>>41073745
Huh... Really? I thought reps were the voters all along while mediators were only for taking decisions regarding lore.
Though we did indeed always misuse rep to mean both.

[Anonymous No.]

Would you children stop your cringy larp? No one will use these actual terms and we all will think you are morons like you are. Fucking dorks.

[Anonymous No.]

Yea for real tho. You wanna have fun with weird ass names, do that in world. As the other anon said
>Boring, descriptive, easy to understand and useful is what the bylaws should be, though.

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

>41073962 (you)
Don't you have a schizo thread to medspost in?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41074164
>>41073927
tbf, princeps literally means "First among Equals" which describes the first rank perfectly. not even for the larp purposes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41074177
No, these children are getting in the way of an adult discussion you fucking wanker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41074248
How about ya know, "mediator"? As the person with said role MEDIATES the discussion and makes the final call when an issue with the canon arises.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41074387
Just can that word, Arbitrator is better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41073962
Yeah seriously, it's fucking annoying when a serious discussion is underway and we have rome larpers. Fuck off back to your shitholes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41074464
Just can that word, Mediator is better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41074622
Arbitrator. Mediator sounds too close to Meidos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41074248
>>41074387
>>41074464
>>41074622
>>41074663
Look, this is quite literally, in the original sense of the word, pure semantics. Doesn't really matter, call it whatever you want, and stop arguing about it. >>41074164 will go for the proposal and the bylaw if it passes, and outside of that, not my department. Call it the "Chief Funkulator" if you want.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41073927
indeed, check the descriptions in the intro rentry in the OP, thats just how bad we misused the term rep and why it brought this archaic view on how we should consider writing for other threads.

I don't think the nature of names should be an argument for now, preference for the names should not derail this fruitful discussion and for now i think coming up with a new voting system that works outside of the writing and nation system is more important than the names.

the problem is... i really have no good idea for this regard that i cannot already see major issues with myself

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>>41074729
I am actually more interested in who would be considered what class under this proposed system more than anything honestly.

Also, quit whining about anons having a little fun.

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>>41074806 (me)
Last part wasn't to retro but those whining over the "princeps" shit as if that was derailing conversation.

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>>41074806
Nta but for like 2434 for example, I think Comfy would be the top rank, alice and emma 2nd rank personally since he actually is more of a nijifag than them.

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>>41074946
Makes sense, although they would oppose that motion greatly kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41074946
Good example actually. He would be that sort of figure for most of Nijisanji and Nijisanji EN. No offense to those two at all.

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>>41074946
Also, Warsuner over OG and Ri2ner. Agree with this example

[Anonymous No.]

>>41074806
This really doesn't sound like it would be a wise conversation right now, especially given that the first people brought up were:
>yellow woman
>OG

[Anonymous No.]

>>41074729
Well, the reason a vote by consensus helps with this is that it removes power from having multiple votes aligned with you, and gives decision power to possible dissenters to a proposal. This way, it's harder to "force through" a decision by overpowering others with votes. Instead, they have to convince dissenters to agree to their proposal, thus encouraging discussion and compromises. Something like:
>Passes with 80% (or 75, or 85, something in that ballpark) "Yes", or unanimity minus three, whichever is harder to achieve
Which means the proposal needs at least 80% of "Yes" to pass and three dissenters or less. That might be the requirement to pass new bylaws or amendments to bylaws. This way, it doesn't matter if someone can secure votes for their proposal, they also need to compromise with people who might oppose it.
We'd probably want different requirements for land assignments, and land transfers.

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>>41075314
2/3 for land assignments and transfers at max.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

Please don't misatribute a mediator/princep to be meant to be some sort of role or absolute reign. Just today i myself had to admit to misremembering the exact timing of /lig/ and /vrt/ interacting more. they should be overall a good source of fair judgement, not some mystical encyclopedia of all knnowing stuff, a second tier person can be obviously better informed about certain things than even the role above them in some regards.

were both me and lunaito considered the secodn tier for /lig/ i'm certain that both of us would have our specialties where we are better than the other

[Anonymous No.]

>>41075454
>he forgot about me...

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>>41075369
Something along those lines, yeah.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41075510
no i didn't, i just try to use quick examples to get a point across because i know jsut how badly i word things and it can be misunderstood without them. i try to use them to work a bit nn me making my intentions clearer

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>>41075708
I was joking kek.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41075314
>>41075369
i do agree that setting the bar a bit higher would do well but not so high as to have a vocal minority mess with the overall consens of the thread.

66%-70% is probably wher ei would want to stick.

but before this becomes relevant we first need an actual system to decide voters in the new system that at least does not encourage falseflagging because otherwise no number will matter if someone can just create 5 new personas for voting purposes to get to a result they prefer.

ideally i would like it to give thought to people like lunaito that might not want to be tied downn to one nation too much but isntead creates lore for a handful.

encourage people to actually consider themselves just a second tier writer for a nation and not a mediator/princep just so they are elligible to vote

and does not further the mindset of "groups" that vote more for the benefit of friends than for their actual opinion on a matter

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>>41076130
It wouldn't be a bad idea to have a group vote either for a region where reps that share common interests and ideas, like the IDcrew.

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>>41076416
I support this idea actually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41076416
>>41076522
Same! It makes sense actually.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41076416
my initial fear of having voting parties is that people might feel treated unfairly if a group of 8 gets a vote annd a different group of 5 also gets 1 vote and then the 8 might feel that its unfair they are more but are treated the same as the 5 and so they want 2 votes and blabla

the other problem for making it depenndedon region would be writers that with the new system would write for places all over the world.

is warsuner part of the IDcrew or is he part of the Southern Corpo/Indie crew?
is lunaito part of Northern Corpo/Indie crew or part of the holocrew?

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I question the need for these reforms when voting only happens when a new anon wants placed on the map. It seems like a bunch of hoopla over nothing honestly.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41077145
thats incorrect tho, we voted on the province system, we voted on tech stuff in the past, we voted jsut now about changes of lands for lore reasons, we voted for advancement of the current time.

and there are also technicly still issues left on the board like how to treat islands that are further away from nations

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>>41077350
If anything, just the 2/3 vote needs to be on the board. I don't think these sweeping reforms really are worth anything.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41077490
Well i think they do, and i don't see why trying to reform a system with clear flaws that has caused very real issues by now should not be changed?

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>>41077653
I don't think that reforming the system is the best idea when the system works just fine as it is. We can discuss about how things work with lore, but voting really isn't an issue overall.

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>>41077761
>the system works just fine as it is.
Clearly, some people disagree with this and have elaborated pretty well on the issues they see with it.

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>>41076522
>>41076592
I don't, I can see clear timeloops from this idea, which is arbitrary and would leave us in tough spots where one anon has more power than 5 in practice.

[Anonymous No.]

He was a CONSUL of RISU! - OG after the squirrel was cooked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41077986
"Ok, and?" The Sanallite while muching on the squirrel stew.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41077761
You want to have a issue to be voted on that will very clearly become a big breaking point with this current vote system?

Nijimales

i know you all like to rather not adress the elephant in the room but matter of fact is that currently there is a bit of a "tug of war" of "old fags" vs "the clique" and this vote will absolutly amplify this issue regardless of outcome

every new anon at this point becomes accused of being a falseflag by people and this kind of vote will absolutly bring this in the forefront ebcause it snot jsut some placement of a nation or some border change that sounds reasonable etc.

and we need to fix this mindset and i think voting is probably THE major concern of falseflaggers, so potentially fixing this and making falseflagging for voting purposes not worth it is something i think will be good for the health of the thread overall.

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>>41078227
Alright let's talk about it. Our proposal is simple. 2434 takes all the land, but any NijiJP split is entitled to all of Nijimales in the future. Make that a by-law even.

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>>41078449
Are you fucking kidding me? Fuck no, make it all vacant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41078449
HELL FUCKING NO. THIS IS SCRIPTED, RETRO WTF BRO?

[Anonymous No.]

>>41078449
You already talked to comfy about this, in case you forgot.

[World Exploring Sanalite !BhGStmx/vE No.]

>>41078126
It was squirel satay.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41078449
i will take this a step further to showcase why this is an issue with the current vote system

with the rules as they stand nnow i would like to have a mock vote, the outcome of this vote is not going to be official at all but simply to showcase the result of it and how people will feel about how this vote will come out.

any person eligible to vote that is willing to help me showcase some big issue with the current vote system pls vote:

1. 2434 takes all the land, but any NijiJP split is entitled to all of Nijimales in the future.

2. The space of nijimales will become freed up

i will try to make a mock vote anchor with new thread but if i'm not around if a baker could help me out there i would be much obliged

[Anonymous No.]

>>41078590
nta but a 4 month "hiatus" is a stupid reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41078449
Nevermind, this is too stressful for me to talk about...

[Anonymous No.]

>>41078744
We are not so boring to make only a single dish! There was a variety of cuts after all!

[Anonymous No.]

>>41078843
Alright, might as well indulge this. /nasa/ vote, https://rentry.org/NorthernMossback

3. /2434/ takes no more than 1/5th of nijimales, to represent the posters that moved to the main thread. The rest is to be labeled unclaimed territory and provinced accordingly for any future niji splits to claim.

[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41079573
allright, sicne this mock vote is goign before a discussion to set a real vote we will innclude this as a thrid option

[Anonymous No.]

https://rentry.org/voting-reform
Has been updated with reasoning behind proposing voting by consensus. Feedback welcome. Still WIP.

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>>41080116
Sounds pretty good to me. I want to ask what is the role of representatives in the 3-tier system though, since it does not seem to be stated clearly in the text, and I can only assume they are some kind of sub-mediator based on
>Warsuner would be an example of this for /risu/, as he is knowledgeable of the thread and can judge lore for it well but he also accepts that OG is better as mediator for /risu/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>41079061
Hahhahahaha fuck you

[Anonymous No.]

>>41080567
Ah indeed this did not say it explicitly. I'll clarify. To keep it short, the mediators are the "lorekeepers", and make decisions regarding the thread's lore. The representatives are anon who write for the thread who may cast a vote ballot on the thread's behalf. I'll add this to the document. The definitions for the three tiers will also be re-written for conciseness and clarity.
Also, new bread doko?

[Anonymous No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

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[RetroAnon !eZnqiljHQQ No.]

>>41080116
>>41081642
i still weoould prefer to have voting and writing things to be seperate as i feel this does nto adress a lot of issues if votess are still tied to nations