/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Why are HoloEN fans so delusioned into this "purity" idea and how the girls NEED to stay away from males? With HoloJP i can somewhat understand, they are actual idols and the japanese idol culture has been around for ages, but there is no such thing in the west. So why try to pretend such thing matters for them? I don't even care if there are collabs between Holos and Stars or not, i'm genuinely curious on why this behavior is a thing within the english fanbase, especially since the ID fanbase doesn't really give a damn for the subject

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
I just don't like male vtuber or female vtubers that collab with male vtubers, I really don't think it's that hard to understand

[Anonymous No.]

EN can't dance, sing, produce MVs, play games OR do the bare minimum that is avoiding males. They have nothing besides brand recognition which management is effectively killing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
Closeted fags

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
>the japanese idol culture
you don't know a single thing about idols.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342213
It's weird. There's no other section of media where you would see this really. Men and women are natural collaborators in entertainment for many reasons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342399
maybe muslim countries? hell even the most strict muslim countries still have male and female art/performances

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
its not all holoEN fans, its just here. the "males" on 4chan are so incredibly low test they cant stand the idea of girls and boys being in the same room. they are just THAT insecure

[Anonymous No.]

What you have to understand is that a large portion of the fanbase is both autistic and ESL. When shit happens that they don't like, they have trouble explaining their feelings in a way that neurotypical English speakers can understand. This naturally escalates to spergouts which are later doubled down on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342399
That's why it's so infuirating to see people trying to take this from me too
One thing, one single thing that caters to me and apparently that's too much to ask

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
go back to your shitty subreddit...oh wait

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342507
Based femcel

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
https://youtu.be/pe9GNLHSbPY
literal shit eater

speaks like a fucking geonosian

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342213
It’s hard to understand because it’s a mindset I only see with vtuber fans being someone who’s into other things
Even Kpop fans are less strict than this
Nuns interact with males more than some of these vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
>western women apply to a JAPANESE company to do something that was popularized by the JAPANESE, a company that leans heavily into IDOL CULTURE
>stupid faggots: "yeah but real Japanese idols always collab with males"
>yeah...talented women that can dance, sing and perform. EN vtubers for the most part are talentless ethots that found a way to make a quick buck by exploiting something JAPANESE, so they should fucking stay away from males because there's literally no reason for them to be anywhere near them if they have no talents. This is why it's fine for Suisei to perform with them: SHE HAS A FUCKING TALENT

I hate all of you faggotbeggars so much it's unreal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
>"purity" idea
If I wanted to listen to men I'd go watch RedLetterMedia or TrU3Ta1ent

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343396
b-b-but we need homoEN!!! THINK OF THE GOOD STREAMS LIKE.....

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342360
That they are all girls and have a date ban?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342213
You didn't know? Preferences aren't allowed anymore, everything needs to be for everyone at all times. Fuck having a niche, that you enjoy. The normal- and moralfags just have pretty much everything to indulge in their samey slop, clearly they need to this to be samey slop as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343396
YWNBJ

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
ID is simply full of pathetic losers with no self respect who are fine with being treated like shit as long as they get the tiniest crumb of attention
I'm not pathetic enough to support someone who hates me but you do you

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342350
The burger who thinks Japanese women will fall all over their heels for him

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343468
you'll never be white

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343601
why would I want to be white? so I can enjoy all your amazing new holo talents? lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343511
>ID is simply full of pathetic losers with no self respect who are fine with being treated like shit as long as they get the tiniest crumb of attention
the only good ID's are genuinely moona and kaela.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
To be fair I thought most of the ID antis are on Kikebook and not /here/

[Anonymous No.]

Because Hololive actively promoted for that kind of mentally ill fan. Now they reap what they sowed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
When hololive introduced an English branch we expected them to be like hololive girls (idol, pure, no men) but English. Its not that hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
>koboposter
>complete garbage post
Never fails

[Anonymous No.]

no matter how much you try to antagonize HoloEN fans, when I see NijiEN I realize why male chuubas are disgusting and there's nothing wrong with wanting to enjoy cute girls doing cute things
if you think about it, imagine chuubas like Nene or Chloe, that just wouldn't work with males like Vox around, they would most definitely ruin everything
and Twitter trannies love NTR and cucked jokes the female chuuba is always going to be the butt of the joke which is unfair

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
they’re “western society is over” tradfags

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343774
at the end of the day, male vtubers, specifically the western ones, all fucking suck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
Because it's a fucking Japanese company
Everyone EXPECTED HoloEN to be a normie fag generation that would step on the toes of their predecessors but they didn't do it immediately which gained them respect. But now we're getting exactly what we thought would happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343774
you've never watched a Nijisanji stream in your life

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343308
Weird how rock fans listen to rock bands, no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342507
4chan went from mocking Chris chan to being Chris chan

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343827
Nah

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343892
>4chan went from mocking Chris chan to being Chris chan
if you honest to god believe that this is like chris, you're a fucking retard. nobody asked for a homoEN generation. nobody asked for male collabs. nobody wants them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
>purity
nothing to do with it, the rules are the same for Botan as it is for Kobo.
If males are on the stream, the stream isn't good.
If males are on the stream, the stream isn't cute.
The whole point is that the streams are cute and good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343814
Exactly this. I refused to watch EN because they reminded me of twitch thots and was proven right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343601
And I thank God everyday for that

[Anonymous No.]

I will never stop gatekeeping against males. In time all of you see I was one of the good ones and gatekeeping will always be a good thing. You're all just too young to have had a hobby ruined by normies and twittertrannies to see how bad things get when you don't fight back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343892
It was inevitable after unironically becoming those blue hair extremist feminist group they complain about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344026
reddit genuinely accelerated this. again, we came to watch hololive for either gaming or CGDCT, or idol stuff. I did not come to watch hololive for males.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343594
If you pay up a キャバクラ hostess she will.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344036
>>40343892
are these randomly generated bot posts or are we just being invaded by retards?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343742
Anon multiple holojps collabed with men before holoen existed

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344136
where do you think we are?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343845
no retard, it’s like a rock listener being introduced to heavy metal and thinking rock is dead
then when more and more heavy metal music comes out and his favorite bands start incorporating those elements he starts contemplating suicide because it’s le over

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344159
theres a fine line between "once in a while fubuki and matsuri collabs", and the shit EN is doing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344080
It's Holostars, not Hololive.
You can always just not watch HoloEN or HoloID.
There's 2 or 3 HoloJP girls in total that are okay with Holostars collabs.
You have so much to choose from.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344136
>/vt/
>invaded by retards
/vt/ was FOUNDED by retards. You just refuse to acknowledge that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343468
we don't need to be, we just need our entertainment to abide by the rules that made them famous

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343308
>Nuns interact with males more than some of these vtubers
How retarded can you be? The girls are anonymous. The biggest schizos still only know rm accounts that are still basically anonymous.
They can do literally anything they want.
When they're not working.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344159
The vast majority of JP don't collab with males at all and their audience prefers it that way as it makes for a better product for heterosexual men that don't have a cuck fetish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344247
they think pointing out contradictions is a win

[Anonymous No.]

>Does Vtuber have a boyfriend?
>No problem
>Vtuber collaborates with men.
>Whore, you betrayed me.
Why are EN listeners like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344244
your analogy implies I saw male debuts and thought vtubing was dead
all I said is that I don't like male vtuber or female vtubers that collab with male vtubers
guess it really is that hard to understand
also, if a rock band changes genre I can assure you they'd bleed fans so your analogy is doubly retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
Tell that Kobo whore to stay away from Izuru and the rest of the stars they're not even debuting and this retarded kid is already begging for a collab. No one likes her and she should graduate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
We just want holoJP that speaks english,
not Niji 2.0
not whorelivID.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344498
Firstly, if we ever decide to inform the chuuba that we didn't enjoy something we do it politely.
We call them whores here, because venting is healthy.
Secondly, what exactly is the problem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344498
Only not a problem if it's vague enough to leave the benefit of the doubt and it's never mentioned ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344498
Because we watch them for their streams
People who dox vtubers and seethe over the forbidden information they find are retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344667
What about discord messages from boyfriends that pop up on stream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344498
lmao,.what do you mean not a problem? this board is constantly seething over holos who even remotely might have one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343827
you have 0 idea of what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344498
because people don't like feeling like a third wheel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344247
Exactly. Even the JPs that collab with males very rarely do it and are professional when they do. Matsuri is an exception but it's literally just her sense of humor, she's very sharp and aware and isn't actually lusting after them. EN girls actually laugh differently, giggle at everything, speak higher pitch and show off. EN women can't control themselves around males and it sucks for the fanbase, kind of like when Ina completely changed around Sana the takos fucking hated it...imagine this but with a male lmao. That's what the Mori, Bae and Kronii fanbases have to deal with every time they see them with males. Mori unironically improves around males, but it's still a change.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344721
Do you not remember it? Fandead were patiently waiting for Rushia to return while ignoring endless attempts of being riled up by literal cucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343827
even if you don't watch those faggots you can't escape the drama because it's everywhere, that's why male vtubers are awful

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
The "rules" of idols were established as a sort of marketing campaign in the 1980s in Japan. They were experiencing greatly declining birth rates and most men would never interact with an actual woman, so wealthy businessmen created this "idol" idea to basically save them from depression by giving them this shining vision of an "ideal" woman (by 1980s Japanese Standards). It worked. Salarymen would invest their salary into buying goods and would get a sense of worth that they had no hope of experiencing in real life, so they could keep devoting their whole life to their corporation.
When it came to the west via weebs, it lost all cultural meaning, and people just stuck to the most basic of the basic of "rules" and tried to make the rules the point, instead of the point dictating the rules. People who are never and will never be 1980s Japanese Salarymen are willingly falling for the same marketing campaign because they feel they would otherwise not be a "real" idol fan, because their extremely narrow view is only based on what they could outwardly observe on the surface level, because they have no way of relating to the actual culture that spawned it.

ID doesn't really have "weebs" in the same way, which is why they're just normal people about it, and also why western streamers never had the same problem (Amouranth and Pokimane can have as many men on their streams as they like, and they have 100x as many simps as any vtuber).

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344446
Then why don't unicorns whatch solely jp chuubas and ignore holoEN, knowing that they will not provide the content they desire

When a band I like stops making music I enjoy I stop listening to them, I don't go seething for what feels like months now

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344721
EN fans never had a problem with it and even supported her, it was the JP fans who lost their minds over it

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344498
The do OPsec to avoid boyfriend doxes anyway. Even twitch e-thots admit to not bringing it up as the audience doesn't like it. But being willing to do OPsec with regard to their personal lives and then ruining it by throwing males in their viewers face is the ultimate retardation. Not riding homo dick on stream is an incredibly easy for them to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>/vt/ard walks into a small gay bar clearly not advertised for him in the redlight district
>gets mad that there aren’t any female strippers even though the club is filled with women
>pays the male stripper to suck him off and calls him a faggot that shouldn’t exist
>angrily cums in his mouth, walks out disgruntled after the best and only head in his life
>”i fucking hate homos so much its unreal”
>leaves to the female strip club to circlejerk with other men (it’s not gay because the girl glances at him every 15 minutes)

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344858
>Homosexual lying through his teeth

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343959
t.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
It's not purity, it's ruining the aspect that makes Hololive have it's appeal

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344961
you jest but there are probably dozens of retards like chris chan who like vtubers, and a lot of them are EN fans.

i'm genuinely looking at you, donnie darko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344911
Do your research faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344893
I watch JP but you are the invader here and must be cast out. This isn't your domain and it is better for it to burn to the ground and survive only as a cautionary tale then for you to get your way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344840
/here/ isn't everywhere, anon. /vt/ is not a good source of info when it comes to Nijisanji. Too many narratives. The average /vt/ user probably thinks that Rosemi is one of the most popular members of NijiEN and Enna is declining or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
Nothing about purity. I want Hololive to be Hololive. Not fucking Nijisanji. I don't care about male vtubers, so stop shoving them up my ass and spamming collabs etc. If there was an EN HQ i would literally travel there and bomb it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344893
>Then why don't unicorns whatch solely jp chuubas and ignore holoEN, knowing that they will not provide the content they desire
Been saying that from day one. EN was a mistake. It's twitch with avatars.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345068
Already have. You wrote a giant paragraph where you spent every sentence formulating lies.
You have unironically swallowed cum in your life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344840
there literally wouldn’t be drama if people stopped being snowflakes and realized it wasn’t as big of a problem as they claim it is

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344840
It's actually rather easy to escape the drama.
Just stop coming /here/. Basically everywhere else in the world, it doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345143
>it’s not true because if it were i’d be gay, and i’m not gay so therefore you’re lying and gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345186
EN3 not happening is an objective problem. Streams drying up and talent outright giving up is an objective problem. EN is in actual crisis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345288
Not interested in cope.
Idols are easy to look up and get into.
If you're going to lie about shit, try it on a topic you have experienced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345186
coed shit is cancer and an inferior product for heterosexual males without a cuck fetish. JP and EN viewers have money and will punish you if you adulterate your product as EN is doing right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342399
>glancing at anime where you see this really
>glancing over at the girls that look like anime characters
forget watching streams you guys dont even watch anime now. what the fuck are you doing here then

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345201
The day EN debuted I predicted exactly what's happening right now. Kronii and Ame shitting on their paypigs even exceeded my pessimism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345301
You'll get EN3 and they'll be pro co-ed collabs

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342213
you want everyone to be an incel like you

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345492
Interest in learning their numbers because it feels like the core fanbase is drifting away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345501
oh no i must accept an inferior product or they will call me an incel. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342268
/thread.
EN are not idols in any sense. Not even game streamers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344858
A comment that makes sense here
This helps, thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345501
sex wasn't even mentioned

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345501
no, I just don't like male vtuber or female vtubers that collab with male vtubers
I really do not care about you or what you do, I just don't like male vtuber or female vtubers that collab with male vtubers
that's all my post says, I don't like male vtuber or female vtubers that collab with male vtubers
why are you trying to spin this into anything other than me not liking male vtuber or female vtubers that collab with male vtubers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345501
stop projecting

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345492
Interested in learning their numbers because it feels like the core fanbase is drifting away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345625
;)

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345638
they want to shame you for normal heterosexual male preferences so you will shut up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
Indogs are the biggest cuck

[Anonymous No.]

>yuri anime introduces male protagonists
>ruins it
simple as

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344816
>That's what the Mori, Bae and Kronii fanbases have to deal with every time they see them with males

lol are vtuber fans really that pathetic?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344840
Its pretty easy to avoid the drama just stop coming here, leave leddit and enjoy the streams and mndwtv8aybe their twitter

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345986
what are you trying to say faggot, be more specific and direct

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343959
Low T level fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344816
This wins as the most schizo insane take in /vt/ everyone else stop trying

[Anonymous No.]

>>40346063
you have low T if you don't want to be a cuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40346063
>swallow more cum like me and you'll have more T

[Anonymous No.]

>>40346103
>girls act differently around guys
>schizo!!!!
trying way too hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049

This is an Intern Thread made to gaslight You dumb fuckers into Complicity

Don't forget

[Anonymous No.]

>>40346468
Sisters didn't do well here, they're starting from square one elsewhere

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344252
You ask to much of him and other unicorns, anon. What's more, he doesn't understand Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
Wrooooooooong
Hololive EN was formed with the intent of spreading Japanese culture around the world. That means spreading the idol culture. EN is dying because they ar failing at this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
>the japanese idol culture has been around for ages, but there is no such thing in the west
thats why holoen was created. to promote it in the west but they failed miserably

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
some can. it's about the energy. intergender stuff can really fuck up the energy. a group of people tend to compete and act different around someone of the opposite gender. its gets in the way and makes a different social energy which is 1) inverse to idols, and 2) honestly fucking aggravating. sure normies might all watch Love Island and love seeing that shit play out. go watch that then, and not idol vtubers. this is a niche.

our idols are working with men like everyday; writers, sound engineers, composers, dance teachers, vocal coaches, agents, marketing consultants.
but they don't bring that energy to stream. all that work is the background of being dedicated to bringing something to the fans. they create a world on stream from all that work just for us, the world we buy into as idol fans. not "brb muting stream for 10mins bf is calling :)". if you want someone barely interested so long as the money rolls in there are plenty on twitch already, go watch them. this is a niche.

some can, and in certain manners - usually kept to a minimum. Suisei has created the energy that she is dedicated as a pop star. she can chat with a Holostar like once a year or perform alongside a DJ and it barely raises an eyebrow because she has created that energy shes simply supporting her fellow performers like a pro.
Towa plays competitive FPS. in Japan thats already a pretty small (albeit growing) scene so if your a girl you're gonna have to team with guys to rank up, realistically. she makes poop jokes and weird snorting sounds along with the bros just hanging out having a good time and so most of her fans don't mind. she already brushes off anything flirtatious as "kimoi" and shuts it down.
Calliope is a rapper and brings something different in that sense already, so she can hang out with a Holostar and its nothing but bro energy anyway.
Polka having Peanuts-kun on PolDen? come the fuck on now, it's a comedy sketch vtuber show and so fits perfectly.

but it won't always work. what if Choco and, i don't know, Axel collab? does anyone want that? I don't, that would clearly fuck up the image of both unless they completely break character. Axel i guess is supposed to be like some young buck coolguy and i assume totally straight? could that character really exist alongside some super sensual borderline succubus, total vamp that is Choco without the energy being fucked up? No supposed cool straight guy could be around Choco and not flirt. maybe the people that watch Love Island would be into it, but idol fans certainly NOT. i already have to see some fucking faggot tag @Axel every time Nodoka is mentioned like he's making his barbie and action man dolls kiss for his dumb cuck fantasies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345923
streams are not the same as scripted anime. To insist they are somehow the same because some girl uses an anime avatar is asinine

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
kill yourself shitskin faggot ID will be always inferior to both jp and en

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347167
What are you trying to say faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347167
but they are similar

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347221
Your anime girl streamers are not actually anime girls. To expect streams/streamers to be like your animes is stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347300
But the aspect of the anime that is relevant to the discussion is the easiest part; cgdct

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347240
Literally the only similarity is the anime avatar the streamer uses. Anime and streaming aren't even in the same sector of the entertainment industry

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347368
Go watch cgdct anime then. These are streams, not anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRX0OgfVQqw

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
It's not all HoloEN fans. It's just a small minority of fans and most of them are on /VT/

The only reason it gets any attention outside of /VT/and the other small circle of incels is because it's such a fringe idea that it sticks out like the homeless guy yelling obscenities at the pigeons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347420
The streams DO give cgdct and I've seen the animes.
What's your problem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347481
The problem is that stupid anons insist that streams are "just like my CGDCT animes!" just because an average twitch thot used an anime avatar. They are not the same and are two completely different mediums

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343462
Terminal polbrain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347644
You're talking gibberish.
You like male vtubers? You're a faggot.
That's all there is to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345301
>Streams drying up and talent outright giving up is an objective problem.

i cant wait for all of this to blow over and it turns out they were really just taking vacations on, gasp, the holidays and vacation season

then holofags can return to being retarded about less annoying things

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347481
Stop complaining and harrassing the girls, if you don't like it just skip it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347430
speaking of someone sticking out
go back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
kobocuckers wouldn't get it

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347741
>Stop complaining
No you.
>harassing the girls
Never in my life, I've never even insulted Mori(to her) or basically any girl I actually dislike.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347687
Now you're just seething. Not once have I mentioned males. This is about making the distinction between anime and streams, which (You) idiots insist are the same thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347836
Which part do you think has emotion?
Your entire seething started because of males, retard.
>>40345923

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347901
It's seething about males that fueled that anon's post. I only pointed out that using an anime avatar doesn't suddenly make something an anime, you absolute imbecile

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347816
What are you arguing about then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
I just don't like men. Especially not anime men. Espespecially when they're designed to pander to women
Is it really that hard to understand? I've been telling you this for about six months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40348016
Jargon. You only mentioned anime being different from streaming because you think males don't instantly ruin it.
Because it's quite clearly a metaphor.
>>40348030
Try reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347425
Love Shondo

[Anonymous No.]

i love this thread

i feel so much better after i see all you retards going schizo about literal anime girl streamers please never stop being pathetic /vt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>40348054
And I'm pretty sure (You)'ve been told not to watch streams that contain them for the same amount of time

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
>the ID fanbase doesn't really give a damn for the subject
I can't speak for other fans
But I watch holoID for the all-girls experience, if they lose it I'll stop being a Hako-oshi for HoloID. If i want to watch mixed gender collab I'll rather watch Maha5 since both girls and boys there are more professional about it.
t. I have a male oshi in Maha5 and i reject the idea of StarsID because i don't trust HoloID girls (especially Kobo and Ollie) and ID management's tardwrangling ability.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40348386
That's nice but that's the easy part.
Where is EN3?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40348274
Oboretai, I kneel... You forged EN into what it is today...

[Anonymous No.]

>>40348386
And I already don't. And I never will. And if a male shows up in a stream with a female, I'll close the tab and never look back.
Now what does that have to do with the clear favoritism for males the company is displaying now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
Marketing themselves as an idol company in the first place is a huge mistake.
They've always been a tech company, not an idol company.

[Anonymous No.]

Holochads will win every thread on this topic

[Anonymous No.]

>>40348725
Where's the tech? All i see are dumb women be bad at video games while sometimes being cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>40348775
>Where's the tech?
In Japan. Want it? Go there. Can't? Well too fucking bad enjoy being a techless vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40348447
you joke but i did, current western vtuber culture was build on the back of people like, i watch streams, interact in chat and their communities, and donate when i can, the rest of the time im living my life and trying to improve myself like my oshi would want me to do, im the ideal vtuber fan.

i watch vtubers because i enjoy their content

[Anonymous No.]

>>40348862
I enjoy shitting on autists and drama so can't say I'm not pleased.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
>Why are HoloEN fans so delusioned into this "purity" idea and how the girls NEED to stay away from males?
Why did some of them wait so long to collab with holostars? Cover claims that they don't ban holoEN members from interacting with holostars. If that is true than Ame and Ina could have arranged a collab with holostars JP in 2020 and even with translation issues they could have easily played a Mario game.

The problem is this massive change in holoEN didn't happen for 2 years. Bae was willing to say that she was a fan of holostars and was honest from day one. There would have been less backlash had more of holoEN done this during their debut.

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>>40348510
simple, the company wants to make more money and it expanding into the male vtuber market that has been proven to be more profitable in the west by nijiEN

coed collabs are only a byproduct of them interacting in company discords and wanting to make content together

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>>40349009
>spacing
Didn't read, also you're a faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>40349009
You mean the same NijiEN making money exclusively from Chinese people?
As in, the country Cover burned all bridges with because they got mad at Taiwan, who will never watch them again no matter what they do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
The unicorn seethe has genuinely been hilarious to watch. No wonder the West is fucked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40349257
>we didn't get BTFO'd guys and we're not seething, they are

[Anonymous No.]

>>40349052
im a faggot and i can tell you have a nice and tight hole by how close your spacing is

[Anonymous No.]

>>40349342
I know you are

[Anonymous No.]

Hello

[Anonymous No.]

>>40349283
Blame the recession or the algorithm. EN is in crisis anyway you look into it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40349497
I'd rather blame the actual problem, homos

[Anonymous No.]

>>40349009
>in the west
Zhou Xin Li may be masturbating to Vox in her Tianjin box apartment, but it doesn't make her western.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40348054
Shut the fuck up, shut your ugly mouth and stop complaining, if you don't like the current state of Hololive just watch phase connect. Fuck off from here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40349673
>It's the unicorns seething

[Anonymous No.]

>>40349673
Thanks for your very upset concern, but I already did that ages ago.
But why did you get so angry when I'm simply answering OP's question?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40349673
Ahaha imagine unironically acting like that. You are one of "those" faggots, right? The one with the gay voice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347300
>It is stupid to expect an anime girl streamer to act like an anime girl and keep a passing glance at kayfabe
What the fuck is the point of any of this then?

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>>40348274
It's gotten to the point where I believe I can genuinely defend /meat/fags over the average /vt/ schizo because they're at least honest with the degenerate aspects of their hobby and won't go through mental hoops and disingenuous excuses to somehow morally justify their feelings.

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>>40342399
How many men do you see dancing up with strippers at a strip club?
Male interest hobbies don't really have a lot of men being the eye candy anon.
Hololive is a men's interest brand, which is why the girls squeal when a girl appears in the chat.

This is similar to when playboy made their magazines pg-13 and it lost all the appeal as a men's interest magazine, causing the magazine to stop circulation.
Since moving to online only, Playboy has transitioned into a lingerie company for women due to decreasing revenue from brand damage.

This is a very common thing in the advertising world, to try and find new audiences when you have reached a market share cap on growth, but sometimes the direction the company takes to appeal to a new audience is so drastic that the old fans no longer find the new product supportable.
Playboy has zero ability to come back to it's financial or cultural power it once had due to the fact that entire generation has now grown up on the internet without Playboy being associated with sexuality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40349873
Twitch thots with avatars. Twitch thots with avatars. Twitch thots with avatars.. Twitch thots with avatars. Twitch thots, with avatars.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40349908
The reality of the thread seems to be sisters and faggots being told straight why the hobby is enjoyed.
Do you have an example of a disingenuous excuse?

[Anonymous No.]

reddit niggers infest this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>40350012
>I just want to watch CGDCT!
No you don't, you are sexually jealous of the Stars. Stop lying.

[Anonymous No.]

Insecurity is a deeply unattractive trait. Which is why you guys have to pretend you and 300,000 other men are all dating some girl role-playing an anime girl on a stream instead of getting a real gf

[Anonymous No.]

>>40350072
They're learning today.
>>40350096
>sexually jealous of the Stars.
>won't go through mental hoops and disingenuous excuses to somehow morally justify their feelings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40350096
Sure

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>>40350096
>>40350105
Is projecting the only cope you people have left?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40350105
I'm engaged to neuro sama.

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>>40344498
Do you know why famous husbands and wives in hollywood rarely do films together?
Because their fans are a fan on the singular actress/actor and not the couple.
Now, there are people who obsess over celebrity couples, which are the exact same people who obsess over shipping in vtubing, but these people are rarely ever the original fans of these celebrities, and are fans of entertainment news/drama in general that celebrity relationships happen to be a part of

I'm not saying something new here m8, this has been a known phenomenon since the theater was invented

[Anonymous No.]

>>40350105
>300,000 other men
We get good numbers, I agree

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344498
Out of sight, out of mind

[Anonymous No.]

>>40350148
Holy shit is arguing your career?

[Anonymous No.]

to prove you are not a redditor, reply to this post with "nigger"

[Anonymous No.]

>>40350148
>>40350345
You're crazy good at it is what I mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345501
Turn off your screen and look at yourself in the reflection for a few seconds.
The people you are calling incels look exactly like you, live exactly the same way as you, share the same hobby as you and even have as much sex as you.
What does that tell you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342268
you put it all together in plain words.
thread should've ended with this post.

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>>40342049
CGDCT manga and anime have a lot of fans in the west. It's not about hating males, it's about enjoying content without males. It's like when you enjoy a specific genre of music and don't enjoy some of the other genres.

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>>40350012
You can at least admit that this hobby coddles to the lonely and mentally unwell. Embrace the truth of your degenerate desires and pride yourself in it, instead of repeating the same /vt/ narrative and arguments ad-nauseum because it makes you feel morally defensible.

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>>40350392
>Le based racism
Kys. Go back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40350619
Why would that be something hard to admit, lonely and mentally ill people exist and they can enjoy the same things we do.

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>>40350105
Yes, that is generally the concept of a virtual communal girlfriend.
Just like when you date a woman IRL, you are also dating all the mileage of her past relationships and you have to pretend that all of that is meaningless or somehow made her a better person.

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>>40350504
Nothing. I am morally superior to unicorns, so I'm better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40350584
No. Every genre needs rap in it because women and trannies on Twitter that don’t listen to your genre says so. If you disagree you’re racist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40350646
holy shit peak fucking reddit. kill yourself now

[Anonymous No.]

>>40350619
>you can at least admit that this hobby coddles to the lonely and mentally unwell
Every single anon on /vt/ proudly admits this lmao, is this your first time here? How do you normalfags find this place

[Anonymous No.]

>>40350695
Outrage over men talking to women isn't normal behavior and pretending it's otherwise is being dishonest with yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>40350876
It's been explained clearly.
>>40350584

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>>40350748
How's that working out for your dating life?

[Anonymous No.]

>HoloID
HoloID as a box is weakened. I don't trust them nowadays. I feel like they took one step forward then took two steps backwards. Kobo and Ollie don't even realize that their actions are affecting other HoloID members.
Sorry for posting it here, i don't want to ruin warkop. I'm not a unicorn but i feel so uneasy and restless when looking at their recline. I hope the management do something about it

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>>40351254
>those numbers
yikes

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>>40350619
>You can at least admit that this hobby coddles to the lonely and mentally unwell
All streaming does, it's not unique to vtubing despite how desperate you are to make it seem so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40351254
>Kobo and Ollie don't even realize that their actions are affecting other HoloID members.
That's the thing that annoys me.
EN in particular bugs me with it since I think it even affects JP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
As per Kronii, unfortunately idol culture exists.

just like how you love homo collabs, some of us love idol culture.

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>>40351254
Vtuber culture in general is dying outside japan
In nipland, it's okay to be in your mid 30's with no wife and work a deadend job where you donate half your paycheck to a vtuber, as long as you have a job and are paying taxes, no one cares.
Everywhere else in the world, your family demands lifestyle changes out of you if you aren't functioning how they want you to

Naturally, growth in vtubing has been dying as more EN vtubers flood the scene while the pandemic restrictions have ended, causing families to force young men back into society again

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>>40351728
>Everywhere else in the world, your family
Kek, you're SEA

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>>40351588
Naw I just dont pay for a cable subscription and use streams as background noise most of the time

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>>40351709
thats great but apart from kiara and maybe fauna the other holos arent idols, if you want idols go watch jps or an idol company

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>>40351533
I know ;_;
Someone please save HoloID from themselves before it's too late
I know vtubers through HoloID and I feel like a part of me is dying when they actively destroying the branch with their own hands
I also feel upset that their performance is used to measure ID market's worth by some anons. They may have the brand buff but they are more or less stagnating, they sucks at keeping most fans invested in longer term. I think the market is worth more than previously thought but HoloID is so bad as a market leader i feel like they're trying hard enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>40352063
>they're trying hard enough
*Not trying hard enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>40352063
Just leave, I left after even Moona and Reine went full force with the homo collab.

[Anonymous No.]

I hate normalfags so much is unreal

[Anonymous No.]

>>40351780
If you aren't SEA you aren't a vtuber fan, you're just a secondary

[Anonymous No.]

>>40352155
I'm not a unicorn, It doesn't matter to me if they collab once or twice. I just don't like the Niji-lite image Kobo and Ollie are trying to push

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
>Why are HoloEN fans so delusioned into this "purity" idea and how the girls NEED to stay away from males?

Profoundly autistic unicorns =/= HoloEN fans

[Anonymous No.]

>>40352350
Kobo and Ollie will keep doing that, plus with how they act like they don't know that most people don't want it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40352269
nonsense but it might be for the best that im not a real fan because one day I will fuck my oshi

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>>40352479
>Kobo and Ollie will keep doing that
Ollie already toned down her behaviors, she's learning by experiencing betrayals.
It's no coincidence that they're also the youngest in the branch. Holos main selling point is the all-girls environment, I just wish the management drilled that into their brains.

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>>40342049
>Why are HoloEN fans so delusioned into this "purity" idea and how the girls NEED to stay away from males?
Apart from Mori, the rest seems to market themselves to pander to that kind of demographic early on. The problem is when they either find themselves hate doing that it hate that kind of fanbase, and they don't know how to hide it. And to add salt on the wound, they kept going back and forth by pandering to that fanbase and the next day doing the opposite. While Mori did get shat on because, most of the reason she get shat on are way bigger than that, like that lean thing and replying to bait and being slightly mean to Kiara on top of milking her memberships the hardest, so she kept giving her antis the bullet to make fun of her fanbase. ID don't get criticised because of that because they made it clear from the start what market they pander to, plus they collabbed with the boys just because instead of to 'own idol culture', and most of all they don't lash to their own fans when they got criticised like Ame, Mori or Clock. Same reason you don't see JP fans shit on Suisei. The fans don't demand you stop collabing with males completely or what not, just respect them since they kinda pay your wages.

[Anonymous No.]

fermale + fermale = comedy
fermale + male = romcom

The product is different

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344498
this, unicorns are retarded. The only reasons westfemoids dont have bf are either
-she's fugly
-lesbian
at best, she's only single now and will find/get a bf later, even that doesnt prevent her to do ons or having fuckbuddies

[Anonymous No.]

>>40355203
>female
>comedy
kek, you are delusional, funny woman is so fucking rare

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
It's because western women are whores and hololive game some people hope, or atleast the illusion that there are non-whores out there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
demographic problem.
also the world's been real shit lately and everyone's lonely

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343462
if a niche doesn't make coherent sense with everything else in the world, then we might be onto some sort of scientific breakthrough!

[Anonymous No.]

>>40345986
There's a reason why they're called simps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347661
YWNBAW, kike.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343511
the only based take ITT

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
Male jealousy is extremely prominent in primates.

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>>40351995
>fauna
She has nothing that makes her an idol, aside from not doing shit with males. She can't sing, she can't dance, she isn't doing a lot of promotions or shilling. She is the same as your average ASMR girl on either Youtube or Twitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>40357906
You obviously don't watch her

[Anonymous No.]

>>40358765
Neither does you, if you really think she's an idol, somehow

[Anonymous No.]

>>40357906
She may not be as talented, but she is trying hard. She is an idol I can root for. Just remember how much heart she poured into Let Me Stay Here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RMVJTLZOzQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>40357906
Fauna actually is lowkey funny, shame she gets used by the chumcucks in shitposts.
T.Tempura

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>>40342049
people just want to watch a cute girl play video games without her starting to talk about how good getting railed last night was, it’s really not that hard to figure out. I don’t think anyone seriously thinks e.g. gura is a virgin

[Anonymous No.]

Gura fauna and Kiara are the only EN worth saving. They care about being idols.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40361320
>Gura
HA

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
because on my first day wandering in to /jp/ a wise anon told me no meds allowed and I never looked back

[Anonymous No.]

>>40349673
Rumao take it easy intern kun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
>but there is no such thing in the west
Making it an uncontested niche for early holo EN to be tremendously successful within.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40347147
>but it won't always work. what if Choco and, i don't know, Axel collab?
Choco literally invited Kenmochi Touya to collab with her on twitter and he ghosted the fuck out of her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40350105
You ar’nt from around these parts ain’tcha boy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
>japanese idol culture has been around for ages, but there is no such thing in the west
But there could be.

[Anonymous No.]

idol culture is fucking stupid
just play video games and like anime is why i like vtubers
I find these companies are fucking cringe
they couldn't even get kiara an air bnb for her to stay at while in japan. she said she was paying for a fucking hotel wtf kind of shit company is cover... where i live we have fucking housing for farm hands. They don't even have an air bnb for their talent
honestly that was the last straw for me
fuck cover and yagoo needs to man up

[Anonymous No.]

>>40351863
>use streams as background noise
It's completely normal to hang out on an image board dedicated to something you claim to only use as background noise anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40359298
You can barely fucking hear her

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
Get penises out of my peripheral vision. Male chuubas are filth. They ruin the female energy and aesthetic. I can't believe how dumb a male chuuba can look on stage. They don't look like they have any shred of dignity or elegance. Maybe because they're designed as fujobaits which is totally disgusting. They're like subhuman monkeys. To become a male chuuba is to debase oneself. ID people have no taste.

>>40342549
Watch Niji or get the fuck out

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>>40342268
>EN can't dance
Kiara
>sing
>>>>
>produce MVs
Mori
>play games OR do the bare minimum that is avoiding males
Fauna

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343511
GSH. You don't watch streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40372581
Hahahaha fuck off indocuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343396
>a company that leans heavily into IDOL CULTURE
do u rele beleb

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344622
>if we ever decide to inform the chuuba that we didn't enjoy something we do it politely.
Whatever you need to tell yourself, Gabe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40344814
>implying same-sex collabs don't cause the same effect just as much

[Anonymous No.]

>>40370837
>tells others to watch Niji
>thinks male chuubas can only be successful as fujobait
>has zero explanation for Kuzuha

[Anonymous No.]

>>40361320
hah gura and fauna..

[Anonymous No.]

Realistically, if the girls still acted like they did during their honeymoon period, Cover could debut a DOZEN male gens and barely anyone would give a shit. There'd be minimal backlash, because everyone would be content with what they still have.
Neither the males in Hololive nor the male fans are the problem in any sense. It's the girls' complacency.
But by all means, keep skirting the real issue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343959
>If i dont want it, it means nobody wants it.
narcissistic much?

[Anonymous No.]

idol cuture
>make a woman spend her prime breeding years doing kawaii uuguu shit
>fans keep you hostage with their "love" and "adoration" and will crucify you if youre seen with a male
>become menhera due to being single
>wrinkles start appearing
>fans that "loved" and "adored" you dropped you for a shiny new toy
>die single and childless
>japanese birthrate keeps going down
idol culture

[Anonymous No.]

>>40373626
>tells others to watch Niji
Why not? NijiEN has male collabs for days. The person I quoted wanted mixed gender collabs. You do want to support mixed gender collabs, don't you, anon? Then fuck off to Niji.
>thinks male chuubas can only be successful as fujobait
Do your reading comprehension reps, retard. I mentioned success nowhere.
>has zero explanation for Kuzuha
Kuzu-who? Why do I need to explain? I don't care if this guy is the President of the United States, male chuubas still disgust me and should be deleted from mankind's history, much less get anywhere near the HoloEN girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40373870
With how hard they pushed Tempiss down everyone's throats it was obvious that more male vtubers would be forced at some point, the issue in this case is how quickly they're happening, and the fact that it's in spite of how much HoloEN needs support right now, not to mention how long ago was the last female gen. It paints the entire company in an extremely bad light.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40375778
Oh and also there's how nonchallant they were about it.
>oh by the way there's a tempus announcement tomorrow, which is 4 new homos by the end of the week. enjoy bye
This entire situation was handled in the worst way possible with the worst timing possible, and the lebbit lockdown contributes to proving that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
I'm tired of whores and kike media. HoloEN provided a relief from that for a little bit but now it's going woke too. I hope EN management gets burned to death.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40374950
Wow, if being menhera due to being single is such a serious issue, maybe the government should go full Koi to Uso and assign fiancees to people so no one is alone huh. Win-win.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
I don't know, but it is hilarious to watch HoloEN fans larp some gay ass facsimile of what they think "Idol Culture" is. It's like some sort of cargo cult for anime bitches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40343462
You really really need to go back. Election tourists are subhuman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40342049
Unlike the rest of the Internet, 4chan was built on Japan worship before it was popular. So there's a culture of people unironically wanting stuff based in Japanese culture to retain all those elements that Americans want sanitized or eliminated. This doesn't just apply to this example but many similar controversies in other Japanese media. Luckily for you those types of people are pretty localized to ghettos like this one so you can continue ignoring them and doing whatever the fuck you want in trying to chase the mainstream audience rather than the dedicated one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40378202
He said the thing! Ahhhhhhhhh!

[Anonymous No.]

>>40374950
There is a reason why idols are expected to graduate before they hit 30. And you also seem to skip the part where the girl gets to bathe in fame and money for the trouble.

[Anonymous No.]

>>40378994
you know whats funny? you could be talking about pornstars, the biggest of whores
seiso indeed