Rest in piss.

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Rest in piss. Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:34:22 2023 No.40288577 [Reply] [Original]

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:36:06 2023 No.40288760 #packwatch bozo

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:37:11 2023 No.40288881 See you next stream, anon

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:37:17 2023 No.40288894 >>40288577 Yeah I don't think there's any coming back for them, how the fuck did ID manage to survive longer than CN and EN, holy shit

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:38:29 2023 No.40289023 >>40288894 Because they stream. Wow. Imagine that. If a majority of EN had that mindset and didn't take their position for granted maybe Cover would still give a shit

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:38:47 2023 No.40289054 File: 162 KB, 1920x1080, 1631140849566.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If you can't beat them, then join the NijiGODS. I understand Cover.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:39:16 2023 No.40289103 >>40289023 I agree, but management also hired girls who had a bad streaming track record

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:39:41 2023 No.40289144 >>40288577 -2 yeras kek

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:40:19 2023 No.40289228 >>40288577 Rest in Tempiss

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:40:23 2023 No.40289236 >>40288577 KWARB (kek what a raped branch)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:41:22 2023 No.40289336 >>40288894 IDmanagement is functional and talents stream + make good music

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:41:32 2023 No.40289357 I haven't watched a single HoloEN stream in weeks. Meanwhile Miko's WWE stream was fucking hilarious even if I couldn't understand what the fuck she was babbling about. Fuck HoloEN, I'm out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:41:44 2023 No.40289377 >>40288577 Can't believe it... They're too lazy to pretend now.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:41:53 2023 No.40289400

>>40288577
>expected the worst-case scenario out of HoloEN pre-debut
>actually surpassed my hopes and looked to be relatively decent
>lasted for all of about 10 months before everyone (sans Kiara) started getting lazy and regularly fucking off to do anything other than stream
>stream quality as a whole started going downhill
>brought in EN2, the retirement home for lost indies generation
This is when I realized I was right about HoloEN.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:42:32 2023 No.40289472 >females are gods and monsters >males are guild members who fight them

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:44:07 2023 No.40289663 >>40288894 EN management is filled with wokefags and globohomos, it is not as surprising as you think.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:45:01 2023 No.40289766 >>40288894 ID management is very very very competent

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:46:06 2023 No.40289890 BBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS*

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:46:59 2023 No.40289993 >>40289472 what happens after the boys defeat them...?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:47:41 2023 No.40290079 >>40288881 KEK

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:47:45 2023 No.40290087 >>40288577 Shoulda seen this coming when Ina and Sana graduated. No one wants men in their anime girl world.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:48:20 2023 No.40290155 >>40288881 What fucking streams retard

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:49:43 2023 No.40290303 >>40289993 they rape their corpses

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:50:03 2023 No.40290353 sana made hololive lose hope in western women, en is done forever

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:51:08 2023 No.40290459 >>40288577 The girls dont stream Tempus does. You can scream and cry all you want, but it wont change the scoreboard.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:54:47 2023 No.40290797

>>40290459
EN management gave ZERO support to the girls for the last 2.5 years.
It took IRyS and entire year to get a redesign.
How many IRL concerts has IRyS gotten to do?
Where is IRyS' EN ad promo's for her songs?

These girls were mistreated and abandoned.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:56:14 2023 No.40290943 >>40290797 >EN management gave ZERO support to the girls for the last 2.5 years. And clearly they were right to. Bunch of lazy bitches.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:58:18 2023 No.40291142 >>40290797 If that were the case, why aren't they quitting?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:58:22 2023 No.40291154 >>40289993 Graduation and then debut of female members of luxiem who specifically collab with males (in bed).

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:00:16 2023 No.40291359 >>40290459 >cause and effect Same thing happened with Sana. They all stopped streaming around the same time retard, 10/4/22 They already knew what this meant, and no longer give a fuck about Hololive. Now no one else does, they just knew first.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:01:41 2023 No.40291506

>>40290459
You can't force them to stream, myth streamed PLENTY in their first year. They had nobody to collab with at all apart from themselves and the odd JP senpai stream, they didn't go running to niji/twitch indies or fleshtubers either. 2+ years on and they are a shell of their former selves I agree, but to argue that hololiveEN doesn't deserve new members in this long but somehow tempus does after half a year of decent output is fucking retarded.

You are comparing a fresh gen (tempus) to 2 year old myth and acting like it is a win.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:02:02 2023 No.40291538

>>40288894
>>40289663
>EN
IRyS has made 3-6 times what her doctor sister has made in the past year and a half, merely being an anime girl
>ID
Risu's cardboard house collapsed in a monsoon, then her grandma died because of monkeys.

They have different motivations to stream and make money and EN's problem has literally always been that there aren't enough girls so the girls that exist get paid in Berkshire Hathaway stock equivalents.

Look at EElira from nijien, she used to stream all the fuckin time and groom her chat, but now she just goes on breaks every either month because she's basically a neet who lives with her parents and has no real costs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:02:16 2023 No.40291564 you're just seething that cover decided to hire people who actually stream consistently and have more stamina for streaming therefore needing less breaks, almost all of the EN girls are "on hiatus" rn and you are using anything to cope

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:02:36 2023 No.40291596 I'm convinced Ina is going to graduate this year. It is unironically over.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:03:29 2023 No.40291690 >>40290155 He's from reddit, he thinks /vt/ is brand driven like he is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:03:43 2023 No.40291713 >>40291596 If she does it's well and truly over. I haven't watched any en since she left.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:04:59 2023 No.40291852 >>40291596 All the koreans are leaving, they didn't give a shit about any of us

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:06:46 2023 No.40292031 >>40290155 the holostars debut streams

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:07:08 2023 No.40292071 >>40291852 should have let Il-Sung annex them

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:11:09 2023 No.40292505 >>40288894 >One of HoloID member has family who work as leader on Professional entertainment industry >Why HoloID still going strong No surprise, their manager probably more experienced than EN (even JP) managers

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:15:28 2023 No.40292935 >>40289993 SEGGS!!

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:22:00 2023 No.40293537

>>40291596
The departing Myth members will run out the clock until July.
The ones that aren’t staying already decided not to renew their contract.
Gura, and Ina, the two biggest members of Myth are done with this shit.
Sana did the same thing when they introduced Tempiss behind the scenes and left the same months they debuted, coincidentally it was also in July.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:27:42 2023 No.40294073

I don't have any issues with Tempus, but this is hilariously bad timing.
>EN girls hardly stream as it is
>Cover refuses to release EN3
>Instead, releases 8 bois over the course of 6 months.
They are going to have to address this in some way. Otherwise, yeah, EN is dead - and it might even take Tempus with it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:29:14 2023 No.40294201 >>40294073 The ones that aren’t streaming are doing it on purpose, this is no longer what they agreed to. Good for them, fuck these parasites for drafting of their success. Let it burn.

Whats next? Thu Jan 5 04:31:20 2023 No.40294375

>>40290797
IRyS is wasted as an EN Vsinger Her music will always be limited to a very niche EN audience. But if Cover moved IRyS to JP and put her on a similar path as AZKi and Suisei, her career will literally explode since she won't have to deal with literally MAX level ESL lyrics and she can sing in a language she is more comfortable singing in.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:32:57 2023 No.40294510 >>40294375 Honestly? I'd be okay with this. IRyS always seemed more comfortable speaking in JP anyways. Let her be AZKi 2.0 - she will likely do even better under the JP branch than EN.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:47:44 2023 No.40295793
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>>40288577
>hey yagoo EN is fucking dying because the girls stopped streaming and tempiss ruined the atmosphere for half of them, give us a third female gen already
>ok fine here are more homos to fail to reach 200k subs and stay 3views forever rumao
Even though I only started watching vtubers around May last year, I'm glad speedran my Holo-only phase and learned about small corps almost instantly. Fuck Cover. Looking forward to seeing them EN die for good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:49:15 2023 No.40295929 >>40290459 The thing is, anon. Do you remember how often the girls streamed shortly after their debuts? Do you remember how even Gura streamed every day? Of fucking course a new gen who needs to make themselves known is going to stream often.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:55:20 2023 No.40296558 >Nooooooo, you can't keep investing in people that actually want to stream and be friends with each other!!!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:55:57 2023 No.40296608 >>40294375 THIS HAS TO BE BAIT HOLY SHIT YOURE RETARDED

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 04:59:52 2023 No.40296985 >>40291142 Sana quit, Mori's tied down by her UMG contract, and except for Ina, the others have no career prospects elsewhere.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:01:55 2023 No.40297186 >>40296985 They have clearly no prospects in Hololive as well looking at this

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:05:41 2023 No.40297515 >>40297186 At this point I wouldn't mind if they graduated in protest and went back to being indies, or even got poached by any of the many rising small corps. Imagine how much Cover would panic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:06:21 2023 No.40297577 >>40288577 S

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:08:46 2023 No.40297812 >>40297515 It's not going to happen but that would make this entire board the funniest thing to read for months

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:10:56 2023 No.40297972 >>40297515 >the girls dont stream now >expects them to stream as indies No. They will graduate and you will never hear from them again. They got their paychecks and can live comfortably for the next decade, if not longer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:11:00 2023 No.40297978 File: 628 KB, 1080x1063, 1672506401607282.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Girls dont stream >Hire people that do Its just that simple.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:11:28 2023 No.40298017 File: 119 KB, 736x758, 3ac0056sy57890.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>40288577

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:11:49 2023 No.40298050 >>40288577 How do EN fans still exist? You guys shit up the board with a branch that doesn't even stream.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:12:06 2023 No.40298068 >>40288894 kaela, single-handedly streams more for everyone combined.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:12:44 2023 No.40298129 >>40297978 >new gen that needs to earn their pay streams more than old gen that already has their pay wow I can't believ

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:14:38 2023 No.40298279 File: 75 KB, 1173x90, Screenshot Capture - 2023-01-05 - 00-14-10.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>40298129 Bro even the niji 3 views make good money Whatever cover spent on them, they'll make back in a month or two.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:15:06 2023 No.40298309 >>40297972 Fine by me. HoloEN is dead anyway so I hope they escape this trainwreck soon

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:22:08 2023 No.40298840

>>40290797
Remember red juice is still riding on guilty crown and knowing how artists work with individuals, doing a whole new redesign with a Hololive having to step in is probably 3-4 months of taking time to reply to each other to even agree to it and sketches probably came in 2-3 months after that. Then irys herself said it’s meh probably so yeah. Can’t blame it all on en management when there’s like 4 channels of retarded involved.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:39:29 2023 No.40300059 >>40297515 Gura poached into phrase connect and ill never come back to hololive again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:40:30 2023 No.40300139 >>40300059 roru rumao

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:43:35 2023 No.40300355 >>40288577 Let it burn, and drop another bomb on Japan just to make sure.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:44:50 2023 No.40300430 >>40300059 Idol is more likely because Aviel pays for literally everything his employees do. FIshman is a poorfag who lets them do everything on their own.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:46:09 2023 No.40300504 >>40300355 the sanest anon I've seen today

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:47:29 2023 No.40300601 >>40300430 Not gonna lie, it would be hilarious to watch the Ghost, being who she is, become Shark's senpai

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:49:03 2023 No.40300727 >>40294375 I'd be a lot happier if her lyrics were in a language I don't understand.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:49:49 2023 No.40300788 File: 1.90 MB, 2183x1530, 1661413769644.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>40300355 Then enter Yabanjin 2.0

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:49:53 2023 No.40300790 >>40297972 >living comfortably off a few million dollars >In this economy KEK the Biden inflation will undo all their savings and they'll come crawling back within 5 years.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:55:18 2023 No.40301172 >>40300790 >Implying vtubing as a whole will survive for the next 5 years

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:58:18 2023 No.40301397 >>40300790 Implying vtubers/vtubing will be relevant and/or financially viable in 5 years. Spoiler: It won't be.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:58:26 2023 No.40301407

>>40300059
>>40300430
I'd love it if she ended up in Phase because i'm a Phasecon, but Idol and kawaii are equally viable. The point for me is just to see her out of this disaster. HoloEN is now essentially a maletuber branch and no girl has any reason to stay. At best they'd be accessories to the males. If any of them have an iota of sense and a braincell they'll start pawing at the exit like a dog that needs to shit real bad. Not just Gura, but others as well. Again, HoloEN is now a maletuber branch and as such any woman still there will be redelegated to second tier status by default. There will be no more "Guras" or "Inas" or "Faunas" in the branch who can act independently and be independent as their own thing. An icon. An idol. They will forever be just a decoration to the males with shit CCV, SC's and fully entangled with them in terms of who they are. Total dependency.

It is truly, fundamentally over for HoloEN, for us who once loved it, and for the chuuba's who are still in there and decide to stay. This is a time for them to pull radical moves, and the sooner the better. The cancer has consumed the body.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 05:59:00 2023 No.40301443

>>40300790
They could walk away from Cover and still get the same CCV. They could even lose 35 percent of their audience and make the same amount, without Cover taking a cut. Without Cover they could stream anything they want because you don’t need to grovel for permissions to stream games in the US.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 06:02:05 2023 No.40301656 >>40301443 Rushia was more popular than any HoloEN bar Gura, and she still cried for "losing everything". Both Her CCV and income took a big drop as well. ENfags are delusional if they think their lazy bitches can do better than Rushia

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 06:02:08 2023 No.40301659

>>40301443
Yeah, look at how that worked out for Kson. She doesn't even have 10% of her old CCV and she's slowly bleeding superchat income. She can't maintain her wealthy lifestyle anymore.
And let me tell you, none of the ENs have a core of rabbidly loyal fans like Kson and nazuna do. Not even Gura. They'd be fucked within 6 months once the hype of them reincarnating dies down.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 06:03:33 2023 No.40301759

>>40293537
You faggots are delusional, Ina who has shown up in the comments of stars jp streams, and has shown up in a collaberative ad with shien, and sana who specifically pointed out tempus as her kohais and wished them the best live on stream. Sana just loves chink gacha, and ina and gura are just burnt out. It has nothing to do with your autistic autism war.

>>40295793
The girls ruined it by not streaming. The boys did nothing wrong and you spiteful faggots are acting like pathetic faggaloon neckbeards prancing around like you're owed something when you can easily support the thing you like and ignore the thing you don't.
OOPS, that's right the girls don't stream, but let's blame the boys.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 06:05:33 2023 No.40301914 >>40301759 kys faggot

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 06:19:58 2023 No.40302885 File: 228 KB, 875x1310, 1672603098112.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>40301659 >Yeah, look at how that worked out for Kson excluding Twitch

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 06:23:42 2023 No.40303120 >>40302885 >Vox number 1 Gee I wonder why Cover wants a Vox of their own.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 06:26:07 2023 No.40303278 >>40302885 That's half of what she made last year, what part of "she can't maintain her previous lifestyle" do you fail to grasp? Let's see her numbers in 5 years if this trend keeps up.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 06:26:33 2023 No.40303301 >>40303278 EXCLUDING TWITCH Keep coping faggot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 06:27:24 2023 No.40303351 >>40301407 it's just a new male wave chill dude, HoloEN3 will literally get announced in a month or so

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 06:28:02 2023 No.40303385 >>40288577 Incel tears.. so delicious..

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 06:28:02 2023 No.40303386 >>40288577 What did I miss?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 06:30:48 2023 No.40303529 >>40291538 >then her grandma died because of monkeys Did this actually happen? In the last couple days?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 06:31:01 2023 No.40303535 >>40290797 I think the biggest "fuck you" is that even when EN was having insane success they still did all events by themselves

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 06:34:54 2023 No.40303733

>>40303278
>sh..she can't maintain her previous lifestyle
black continues to go to luxury ryokans regularly,
at the last one he invited 5 of his indis friends.
She recently bought tracking gloves worth more than you and your oshi could earn in 6 months together.
get some information before you talk shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 06:52:37 2023 No.40304742 >>40303120 They failed the first time but surely it will happen now right?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:01:14 2023 No.40305188 >>40303386 Gura and Ina are dead. Everyone else barely streams. Tempus 2 debut.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:02:19 2023 No.40305239 >>40291596 But she graduated last year?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:03:18 2023 No.40305288 >>40301759 Every thread until they stop posting the same burnt out narrative

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:04:51 2023 No.40305374 >>40291596 In her place I would graduate from this trainwreck as well

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:05:12 2023 No.40305392 >>40301914 Cope

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:06:49 2023 No.40305465 >>40303529 It wasn't because of monkeys but she did die.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:11:35 2023 No.40305691 >>40298129 So you keep hiring to keep your audience within your company.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:11:52 2023 No.40305715 File: 576 KB, 800x450, 48b0d44a9ea80314e3774c65376a626e.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] People do know that Ina is a vtuber fan in general right? (Hololive, Holostars, Nijisanji, etc)

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:14:44 2023 No.40305881

>>40305691
If only a certain CEO could hire new women, causing their fanbase to stop leaking into the numerous emerging small corps, and giving their existing ones new company to encourage them to stream more.
Sadly, dick is all he thinks about these days.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:19:45 2023 No.40306139 >>40288577 >ignored idols for holo applicants >debuts Gen2 for the boys

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:20:54 2023 No.40306196 >>40305881 All women worth a damn have already joined small corpos or are doing well enough that they'd rather stay indie than deal with cover's shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:25:15 2023 No.40306428 >>40305881 >giving their existing ones new company to encourage them to stream more. Did Gura ever interact with Council at all? Didn't seem to encourage her at all rumao.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:27:54 2023 No.40306572 >>40306428 Nonstreamwatcherchama doesn't even know about SNOT... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8gRtpUCj1A

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:29:07 2023 No.40306630 >>40303385 > Go back

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:30:02 2023 No.40306668 >>40306572 Feels forced. You can tell she doesn't want to be there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:31:13 2023 No.40306732 >>40290155 that's the joke, retard

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:38:11 2023 No.40307084 >>40306668 >he doesn't know that she actually felt far more at home with SNOT than with the rest of Myth

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:44:24 2023 No.40307386 >>40293537 Sana wouldn't have any problem with TEMPUS retard. Sana problem was she did not want to stream anymore, especially for a major agency that requires them more than just sitting on a chair

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:46:48 2023 No.40307496 >>40306428 Did you ignore the whole portal construction arc?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:47:23 2023 No.40307522 >>40288577 Don't care still love Fauna

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:49:06 2023 No.40307591 >>40306428 Gura was streaming with council more often than with myth

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 07:50:42 2023 No.40307649 >>40288577 Maybe is time to burn HoloEN down. Time to show our "support" for more homocollab. We should also start shipping the girls with tempus. Let's turn HoloEN into NijiEN

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:07:04 2023 No.40308444 >>40307386 Sana gave up after all her early ideas were shot down by management.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:08:28 2023 No.40308512 >>40308444 And then decided she didn't want to actually stream anymore. Last activity on her youtube was 4 months ago, she is done with streaming

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:12:43 2023 No.40308699 >>40298279 >Thinking 5 figure earnings is good money for a global company

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:12:53 2023 No.40308708 >>40307649 Can't you just buy chat spam bots like normal anti?

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:14:18 2023 No.40308770

>>40289103

You know what solves that problem? Good contracts. You can take a Gura level streamer who thinks 3 streams a month is good enough and turn her into a proper talent by putting it right there in the contract that 5 streams a week for 3 hours each is the absolute minimum they can do without breaching their contract and guess what? They'll either say yes and do it or they'll pick another of their 1,300 per position applicants and find someone just as good that will say yes.

People can blame management all day long, but during the whole EN male collab fiasco time, Cover came out and essentially said that "They're free to manage their accounts as they see fit within certain guidelines." That means the laziness is 100% on the talents, not Cover.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:15:37 2023 No.40308818 >>40307649 This guy is right, if you start shipping Mori and Ame with homos their contrarian brains will make them drop homos instantly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:18:33 2023 No.40308936 >>40308770 >The company needs to set strict terms in their contracts >It's the talents' fault that their contracts are lenient

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:20:46 2023 No.40309036

>>40301759

What the fuck do Gura or Ina have to be burnt out from? They barely streamed 10 hours a week each. If you're really getting burnt out from that, you're pathetic and not cut out to be an entertainer.

I agree with your second part though; the failures of the EN girls are 100% on their part. It wasn't management fucking them, it wasn't the boys, it was them just coasting and being lazy that caused their declines.

Frankly, I'm kind of glad that we're getting an EN Stars 2 gen because the guys know they have to earn their pay and won't just have money thrown at them by pathetic incel men.

As for the sister here saying she thinks the EN girls are just riding it out until July and then they're leaving; good. I wish Cover had the balls to fire the non performers but they don't so I'll settle for them leaving on their own.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:21:18 2023 No.40309057

I don’t understand their thought process surely they didn’t think the EN fanbase was any different then the JP one right? They must of thought the EN fanbase was different. I mean Hololive has always been about unicorns and idols that pander to them. Why change it now?

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:21:30 2023 No.40309068
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If I'm gonna watch corpo vtubers, I'm gonna watch the Nijicancelled crew, who are entertaining people that actually fucking stream, not sit around waiting for my precious Shork or whatever as if they deserve any more slack when there's plenty of other people who are actually streaming I could be watching.

Honestly, at this point Filian and Neuro-sama alone are more entertaining than HoloEN is anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:22:53 2023 No.40309127 >>40309036 Best Post ITT. EN girls were born with a golden spoon in their mouths and they pissed it away

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:22:55 2023 No.40309130 >>40309057 Because whoever is in charge of the entire EN branch is a retard who hasn't looked at metrics lately. And JP management has yet to notice or intervene.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:23:41 2023 No.40309165

>>40306668

She has always phoned it in heavily when it comes to collab games. She just sits there, doing as little as possible while everyone else carries the conversation / stream / game. That said, the wolf game was definitely a time when you could tell Gura just didn't want to stream anymore. It was around the end of this year where she barely managed 10 hours of stream a month for like 5 months in a row. She needs to stop being a mooch and just quit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:25:11 2023 No.40309237 >>40308936 >> The Company can FIX this with better contracts. >> The problem is they have too much freedom right now to do as they please. Reading comprehension is hard eh?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:25:24 2023 No.40309245 >>40309165 Cover is also "mooching" off Gura's fame through merch and sponsorships, which is why they'd rather puppet around her corpse than actually let her quit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:30:03 2023 No.40309428 >>40288577 I think vtubing in general is fucking horseshit

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:31:58 2023 No.40309512 >>40309237 A 9mm to Gura's head should fix her problem, and Cover can change her V.A to an A.I or some girl who have the same voice as her

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:32:50 2023 No.40309540

>>40309237
You're literally contradicted yourself on your post. "The way they can fix is better contracts" then why the fuck didn't they do this since the beginning instead of letting the members laze out? Even Tempus complained about management being too lenient on them, and they had a fucking time limit for streams during their first month. The freedom the girls have comes directly from the same people you're saying have the power to fix HoloEN's situation, so why don't they do it then?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:34:32 2023 No.40309607 >>40309512 What did the voices tell you to blame her for again?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:35:54 2023 No.40309663 >>40309512 I don't like cumbuds but I don't think gura deserves death over them. Chill out.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:40:28 2023 No.40309827

>>40309245

You're not wrong; they own the rights to it and will capitalize off it. That said, that train can only function so long with her pulling the shit she's pulling now. Frankly, they should just cut her loose now and then continue to sell the merch because they own the rights to the Gura model. Eventually, a few months down the lines when someone questions it, they can just go "Oh yeah, she decided to leave the company." I'd hope they're smart enough to have an NDA in their contracts.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:43:28 2023 No.40309922

>>40309540

Again, comprehension isn't your strong suit eh?

Just because they CAN and SHOULD do something, doesn't mean they WILL or ARE. I don't work for cover, I can't tell you why they let their talents get so much freedom, just that they do, and therefore any issue that arises from that lack of contract falls at the feet of the girls.

If you go to an all you can eat buffet and eat until you literally get sicks, it's not the buffets fault you ate too much, it's your own for having no personal accountability.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:43:33 2023 No.40309926

>>40288894
EN management butchered gura's anniversary and birthday, their golden goose.
They butchered kronii's outfit reveal
They didnt pin hololive's ny countdown on reddit but pinned the homostar one, etc.
It's very clear that this is all done with malicious intent to destroy hololive and promote homostars in their place. It's evil and immoral.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:46:58 2023 No.40310069 >>40309926 OR, or, it's a classic case of Japanese corpos being completely incapable of managing non-Japanese assets due to a combination of culture clash and domestic favoritism. Cover isn't unique in that regard.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:47:03 2023 No.40310071

>be the completely dominant force of vtubing in the west, to the point of near monopoly
>completely squander it away by changing your business model and target audience entirely
absolutely insane
i'll keep watching and supporting my oshi but HoloEN is dead

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:49:22 2023 No.40310165 >>40309663 If you haven't noticed by now, "unity posters" always talk like that. Fake niceness, passive-aggression and spam reporting, sandwiched with unhinged fantasies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:52:25 2023 No.40310271 >>40310071 >innovate >stagnate >fuck up >become irrelevant This is literally the story of every Japanese company for the past 40 years.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:53:56 2023 No.40310330

>>40309922
Holy shit, the blue dorito dick sucking is absurd with this faggot. This is a fucking job, these people signed a contract to work for Cover, and if Cover is giving them all the freedoms in the world then it's not fault of the employees to take advantage of it because it's the same with literally every fucking job. If your employer gives you a chance to go on vacation every other month without any pay cut you're an absolute retard if you decide to keep working, even if you have a chance of getting more money. Stop trying to defending Cover's absolute incompetence when they're the ones who put themselves in that position, and even some members of Tempus commented how management literally encourages them to take breaks.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 08:57:14 2023 No.40310456

>>40310071
>>40310271
repost from another thread

JP companies life cycle
>stumble upon good things by chance.
>see that said good thing prints money
>they make more of that good thing without actually understanding why it does so well

This works for a bit until market catches up to them and they have to innovate/change said good thing to remain competitive or keep the same returns. Now it is a gamble because they don't understand what made it good or they think it's another thing entirely
>change good thing
>it is now shit because they changed the thing people liked about it. Company dies
>it is still a good thing but the change did nothing. Company reclines
>they stumble upon a good thing again
and the cycle continues

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:00:05 2023 No.40310561 >>40310071 The fact they are passing over quality applicants and former idols is completely damning. There is no future for EN.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:00:57 2023 No.40310599 >>40310456 The bureaucracy that is part of their culture can never allow the business to evolve. Jap upper management are pussies. They would rather die doing nothing than risk mistakes.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:09:46 2023 No.40310961

>>40310561
Why even apply to Hololive anymore? The open auditions were opened a whole year ago and since then we got 8 guys and 0 girls, so if I'm a girl why should I even bother with it? I'll be more than happy to be proven wrong and they announce EN3 in the coming weeks, but that's stupidly unlikely considering how the EN side is gearing towards the whole HoloProEN bullshit and becoming Nijisanji-lite, and they don't want a possible new batch of girls overlapping with Tempus 2: Electric Boogaloo. The next best and most likely time to announce a new gen will be during the Expo/Fes, but that would be more than a year and a half since Council's debut and 14 months since the auditions started, so who the fuck knows if there are actually good picks out there who were crazy enough for Hololive that they waited a whole year sending their auditions multiple times until Cover decided to move their asses and finally debut a new gen.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:14:02 2023 No.40311128 >>40310961 Even if EN3 drops, there's a rrat going around that they pick talents based on the theme of the pre-made characters rather than how much they can contribute/make content/put in effort. Expect another Council-tier gen.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:16:02 2023 No.40311193

>>40310561
>Passed over both Kotoka and Meloco who applied to both and Niji ends up picking them up first
>Could have had our own version of a genki stinky girl and a Meloco that gushed over Fubuki instead of Luca
What could have been. Oh well. Cover's loss.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:17:23 2023 No.40311255 As a Tempus watcher, I find it completely retarded to release them so soon and before another girl generation. But as always, I will just conclude that it doesn't matter as long as it makes money.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:20:34 2023 No.40311349 What's all the doomposting about?

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:20:42 2023 No.40311355

>>40310961
Add to that how many small corps have popped up recently, which don't need to worry about the eternal permissions bullshit that plagues Hololive as well. I know nip businessmen are retarded but holy fuck, what an awful timing to have not only the first homoEN gen but also to add a second one 6 months later.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:20:55 2023 No.40311362 >>40288577 >oh no we didn't get new shiny toys

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:22:17 2023 No.40311412 >>40310561 >former idols Who?

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:23:48 2023 No.40311468

>>40311128
I've heard about it, pretty sure it was Axel who talked about it on a members stream. I haven't seen proof of it yet but even then I completely believe considering how hard the EN side pushes for lore compared to the other branches. Also Tempus make up was almost identical to Council's, with the same trio of Americans/Asian-Canadians/Asian-Aussies, and although we're yet to see how Tempus 2 fares on that regard I doubt it'll be much different from the 2 gens that came before them, even if one of them apparently knows Spanish.

>>40311355
Pretty much. And with how fucking slow the EN staff is to help the members get their 3D debuts the whole "perform on a big stage" pro Hololive always had is moot for EN when the most you'll get is to record yourself singing while a double uses your 3D model back in Japan. HoloEN turned into a trap absurdly fast and it boggles my mind how Cover and a huge part of the audience refuses to see this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:25:07 2023 No.40311499 Complacency seems to be an alien concept to almost every EN fan on this board. t. former EN fan

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:26:33 2023 No.40311548 >>40311499 You can include Cover on that group as well.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:27:34 2023 No.40311593 Fuck around and find out. In this case collabing with males and now they're paying the price.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:27:52 2023 No.40311601 >>40309512 Fuck you robotfucker

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:28:07 2023 No.40311617

>>40311412
There's a few former idol vsingers who have definitely applied but are still active.

But in the EN scene, there's three really "famous" idols that will definitely not be in EN3:
The GoGoNippon sisters and Morino Peari, all of whom have moved on, and one to another nip vtuber company.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:30:22 2023 No.40311702

>>40311617
People should just give up trying to guess who's going to be part of EN3. It's not worth it anymore and will only cause more pain when the guesses ends up on other agencies while Cover still delays EN3 until it breaks Uproar's record of longest time between new gens on HoloPro.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:31:45 2023 No.40311760 >>40288577 > Close HoloEN > Graduate EVERYONE, excluding Kiara > Move Kiara to JP - she's already well versed in their stuff and can speak fluently Japanese

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:34:59 2023 No.40311890

>>40311468
>I haven't seen proof of it
Nor will there ever be proof. There will never be any transparency in the selection process, because if applicants saw how much bias there was in choosing people based on how they fit the succubus or brown girl better, they probably wouldn't apply.

>>40311702
It's not about guessing who's in but rather about judging them based who's not in. From those three talents who are ruled out (the most noteable examples of former idols), it is clear their priority is not with talents who can perform as idols, but rather something else, like another Mumei or something. You can judge whether that's a good or a bad thing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:36:05 2023 No.40311938 File: 138 KB, 600x601, 1659396431995.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>40301759 Seethe Homobeggar, Gura’s crashing the plane with no survivors.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:44:35 2023 No.40312263
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>>40311890
Kek. The first point makes me miss when they showed the models before auditions. At least back then the possible candidates would have more realistic expectations and not be thrown into this complete luck-based system where you can be the best possible pick but since you're not don't meet the subjective approval to fit for any of the roles Omega thought up you end up not being hired in favor of another person who's probably not a better streamer/singer/musician/gamer/or have any kind of charisma but still got the job because they were perfect to play one of the "characters" of the new gen. As for the second point Cover made clear some time ago that HoloEN was made to be a "streamer-focused group" unlike the idol angle JP has. Problem is, the "idols" of HoloJP are more competent in doing both idolshit and streaming than the supposed "streamers" of EN.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:47:40 2023 No.40312375 >>40311938 this comic's ending is so fucking stupid everytime i see it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:51:57 2023 No.40312516 >>40312375 The entire pic is nonsense. Feels bad to have my oshi used by a retarded repressed faggot. I wonder if it's that autist that brings tranny in every discussion in /ggg/ that spams it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:52:58 2023 No.40312549 >>40311128 Isn't this the same thing in Niji as well? Not saying whether it's good or bad but I thought this is the norm for big corpos

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:54:20 2023 No.40312590 >>40288577 I'm surprised as anyone about StarsEN2. What's really odd is the short notice. Change of plans? EN3 will still be coming soon. After MK Tourney? Believe in Haachama.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 09:55:41 2023 No.40312643 >>40312590 Well they will come out after the MK tournament, but the heat death of the universe will also happen after the MK tournament.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:05:16 2023 No.40313009 >>40312263 >"streamer-focused group" It's kinda hard to tell by how much they're shoved into the 3D lives on the JP side kek

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:06:43 2023 No.40313062 File: 313 KB, 1050x1050, 10898712389.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>40312643

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:11:02 2023 No.40313216

>>40312549
There's only Nijisanji and Hololive, but they have different rates at which they debut talents. Normally, giving talent acquisition more time to filter candidates is a good thing... But then you see the stream schedule for the 10 EN talents and then the rrat comes out that they pick characters, not quality, and you end up right back at the beginning.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:11:34 2023 No.40313244

>>40306428
>Did Gura ever interact with Council at all? Didn't seem to encourage her at all rumao.
Gura was breaking the no-collab branch rules by interacting with council early through Mindcraft. Gura was the one reaching out welcoming the new branch. Some go as far to say it was at that time Myth unity ended.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:12:51 2023 No.40313298 >>40312516 t.r*dditourist Go back, no one likes you Homobegging faggots.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:13:17 2023 No.40313312 >>40312263 fits >>40310071 perfectly

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:16:52 2023 No.40313430 >>40288577 I'm glad they are introducing new males. The sooner the EN division goes bankrupt the better.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:18:06 2023 No.40313470 File: 23 KB, 758x644, 1612045989189.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >no graduations >no male members Feels good to be a vshojochad

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:18:57 2023 No.40313499 >>40313298 >reddit Huh? Don't you know how to read?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:21:26 2023 No.40313591 >>40313430 There are enough simps who'll keep Holopro EN afloat regardless, but NijiEN will overtake them and become no. 1 outside Japan.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:23:29 2023 No.40313665 >>40310456 nah this is a woke corp cycle. look at all the woke shit no1 wants, they all fail we are at the turning point in watching EN fail HARD. enjoy the ride.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:23:39 2023 No.40313671 >>40288577 It's ironic how HoloEN struck gold by being trendsetters while appealing to their main audience, but now they're stuck chasing after their main competitor, while NijiEN did it in reverse order.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:26:02 2023 No.40313740 >>40313671 I mean HoloJP just copied NijiJP. Anyone surprised that it happened to EN too is just new.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:26:09 2023 No.40313745 I wonder what the JP bros are even thinking about EN right now.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:27:06 2023 No.40313786

>>40298840
Holy fuck I’m retarded not realising redjuice designed Irys.

Japanese artists are so lazy and entitled. These freelancers are probably absolute divas to work with. The Steins Gate character designer has done nothing since and only showed up for the RWBY show.

Then you have mangaka, starting their 8th ongoing project and then complaining they’re overworked.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:49:56 2023 No.40314559

>>40294073
>They are going to have to address this in some way.
There's nothing to address. Any EN3 announcement is far more likely to be at Holofes, while Tempus2 was almost always guaranteed to be planned from the start and the decision was to spread it out over 2 waves rather than drop 8 in at once.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:53:08 2023 No.40314658

>>40313740
It's just funny how desperate they are to try finding their own Vox, without realizing why Vox worked in first place thanks to a certain country they burned all bridges with, and without realizing they already had something working perfectly.
I'd imagine only a catastrophe of comical proportions has a chance of setting them back in the right path. Maybe we'll be lucky enough to see it happen this time.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:57:16 2023 No.40314797

>HoloEN Girls don't stream.
While Gura and Ina are on official leave of absence by Cover, why ignore the rest of EN girls? Mori and Kiara streams too often, IMO. The girls that recently traveled to JP wasn't just for play, but for company obligations behind the scenes. Let them have some fun while there. Also it may seem like less streams since it's not during Western time zones. Gura wasn't excited about her scheduled trip to Japan because it was only for work... maybe that has changed? Thank Gura?

Gura's lack of streams in Nov and Dec has labeled her as lazy and should be fired. Ignoring two years of work and only to be judged by the last two months, which was officially excused by Cover on the latter. In Oct she did 16 streams (4 per week). But we are only going to remember the 5 streams in Nov and 4 in Dec. There were many other hololive members with low number of streams in Dec, but it's only about Gura. And what's funny is that Gura's four streams in Dec has as many total hourly views than half of those in Hololive. That scuffed month still raked in plenty of money that most vtubers dream about. And to say Cover should get rid of her, lol.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:58:50 2023 No.40314851 >>40294375 lmao

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 11:10:20 2023 No.40315230

>>40313312
Yeap. EN has been mismanaged to the ground and they're actually willing to copy Anycolor when Myth/HoloEN was the first time Cover ever got a win over the competition. They just needed to consolidate their dominance early on and then latter down the line debut StarsEN if they really wanted, but instead they fucked up the second gen and instead of debuting a third quickly they decided to move to the much less popular side branch and focus all their attention there. It was such a retarded decision to the point that I wonder if it was just malice from the EN staff who hated the whole idol thing.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 11:11:42 2023 No.40315282

Being miserable over males debuting before EN3 is like being miserable that doctors cure other patients and not just you. Besides, I haven't even heard from Tempus in like 3 months, you make it sound like they're there every day bothering your Holo viewing experience. EN's fine, just like ID and JP are, anything else is just your complex-stacked opinion.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 11:13:59 2023 No.40315362

>>40315282
They bothered my holo viewing experience for most of October and december and made me drop half the branch.
Now there's days with only 1 stream because they refuse to launch EN3. If this keeps up people will just fuck off to people that actually stream.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 11:14:14 2023 No.40315369 >>40315282 >doctors cure other patients and not just you. Well one patient is dying, meanwhile doctor focuses on kid with running nose.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 11:20:57 2023 No.40315577

>>40315369
>one patient is dying
Talk about being melodramatic. JP is still over a year without a gen too. You're acting as if you watch every EN stream in a day, but you probably haven't even watched even close to every archived stream of your favorite.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 11:26:13 2023 No.40315762

>>40311760
>Close HoloEN
>Give anyone that can speak Japanese a choice between moving into JP or to become a member of THE GUILD TEMPUS
>Give the non speakers a choice between graduation or to become a member of THE GUILD TEMPUS
>"HOLOEN" IS NOW THE GUILD TEMPUS

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 11:26:59 2023 No.40315794

>>40315577
JP has 35 members and at no point had 70% of it's roster absent for whatever reason. They can absolutely wait more than a year for new members because there's no shortage of streams, and often some of them even stream during western-friendly hours. EN has 10 members, currently 2 of them are out of commission (3 if you're including IRyS' short hiatus), most of them stream at the exact same time slot and it's not weird to see a day when only one or none of them stream. Don't use the argument that it's taking too long for JP to get a new gen because it shows how you absolutely have no fucking idea about what you're talking.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 11:28:28 2023 No.40315841 >>40315577 JP is doing far better, both streaming wise and content wise, than EN. It also pulls in the numbers associated with that trait while EN sheds viewers to small corpos and indies due to negligence and inactivity.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 11:43:23 2023 No.40316401

>>40314559
>Any EN3 announcement is far more likely to be at Holofes
It doesn't look like there will be an EN3 any time soon. There aren't any graduations in the indie sphere to indicate it. Everyone who graduated and seemed to be a good fit for Holo has turned out somewhere else.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 11:45:06 2023 No.40316451

i'm not the one who was making those posts but how do you suggests Yagoo carries on from here? is it really okay to just drop the whole thing and pretend the Tempus 2 debut announcement never happened? wouldn't that seem like pathetic and sad or something?
Do you have any ideas of how EN can improve without making it seem like it became a completely different branch?

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Anonymous Thu Jan 5 11:52:43 2023 No.40316692

>>40315841
While JP members are doing better, there are many JP members doing worse. Focusing on the top of 35 members will obviously do better than of 10. Especially with the larger pool of JP fans and no Gura. EN3 will give a greater boost than another JP Gen. That and the return of Ina and Gura, all will be right with the world.

If EN3 were released already, we wouldn't be complaining as much about a lack of streams. When HololiveJP member has low streams, plenty of others to cover them. When Gura is absent, it's the end of EN.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 11:57:49 2023 No.40316864 >>40289400 In the end /vt/ is always vindicated. It just takes a while sometimes

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 12:07:02 2023 No.40317194 >>40313499 why is it so easy to spot you faggots and your low IQ takes. please have take an IQ test if yar below 120 kys. basic

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 12:08:19 2023 No.40317249 >>40314658 well if yagoo opens his ass-O and live stream it begging like a dog to the chinks, they might accept it ?

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 12:37:06 2023 No.40318337

>>40316451
It's in too deep now to reverse course, in my opinion
Either way, someone will have to step in and do a REALLY GOOD crisis management plan that will involve one of two things:
>Get the girls to stream again (cajole them with promises of creative freedom, more support, negotiate, etc)
>Have Tempus stream with people they can "safely" collab with for a while like ID
Then, when things have stabilized, drop EN3

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 12:59:08 2023 No.40319247 File: 3 KB, 278x39, 1672923540567.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>40311938

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 13:01:45 2023 No.40319358 TuckHoe161 #3857 ....

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 13:04:15 2023 No.40319465

>>40289400
Meanwhile, over in JP…
- Members from Gen 0 forward who still stream every fucking day like Miko and Fubuki and Korone etc.
- Don’t ever insult their fans
- Don’t collab with homos, or IF they do it’s very rare and they keep it very professional
- Actually give a shit about their chat beyond being just a wallet
- Actually care about and appreciate their chat

Honestly at this point fuck EN.
IRyS actually likes her job and her fans. And Fauna too.
But the rest of them like Kronii and Ame despise their fans.
Giving time and money to people who hate streaming and talking to you.
Watch decent vtubers instead.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 13:11:27 2023 No.40319796 >>40288894 ID management is sane, CN is crazy and EN is woke

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 13:14:01 2023 No.40319926 >>40290087 When I realized Sana is the best council, it's too late

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 13:14:38 2023 No.40319959 File: 409 KB, 498x278, hololive-ayame.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>40311938 it's easy to her doesn't do collabs when she barely stream

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 13:18:42 2023 No.40320140 >>40291596 Yeah it seem she and shark no longer give a fuck about the corpo. They deserved better

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 13:23:33 2023 No.40320362 >>40300059 Nah, more likely Sony or Crunchroll. They don't lack money they only need true talent

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 13:27:34 2023 No.40320548 >>40316692 delusional faggot. every JP gen is a massive event. don't even compare your trash ENshitters to JP

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 13:32:10 2023 No.40320761

>>40301759
>just burnt out
No they are angry at management and upper management. They should have an album or daki rn but they received no support no matter how hard they worked. Cover prioritize management, not talent like they used to.
Ame finally understood and sided with them. She'll help them with lawsuit for better graduation term

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 13:33:59 2023 No.40320835 >>40288577 Yeah, mine.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 13:37:51 2023 No.40321026

>>40301759
Everyone has been afraid to admit that the girls ruined it for the past 7 months and you think they're to change their tune now?
LOL
They're going to keep begging for EN3 while trying to pretend that they're not begging and that they're not giving up on Council and Myth when its clear that they're finished.
Then they're going to proceed to beg for more holo x nijisanji collabs

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 13:39:27 2023 No.40321110 >>40314797 Imagine Gura is secretly working for another corpo, and cover knew but couldn't do anything about it

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 13:40:15 2023 No.40321152 File: 155 KB, 448x448, 1661075466012.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>40316478 holy kek

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 14:01:53 2023 No.40322154 >>40288577 Fauna and Mumei are my oshis.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 14:09:43 2023 No.40322518 >>40321026 No, current girls are mostly burned out, at most some will do small comebacks but they are done as stable streamers. And that's why we need new blood, alot of it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 14:13:17 2023 No.40322664 >>40316478 >>40321152 reddit humor

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 14:26:25 2023 No.40323283 >>40316478 POST IT ON REDDIT ANON! Oh wait...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 14:30:21 2023 No.40323457 File: 933 KB, 1280x720, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>40288577 Come home whiteman https://youtu.be/SI7lAxL4Few https://youtu.be/gf_3-LxSsMg

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 14:31:40 2023 No.40323528 please no i want more kiawa says hololive 3d collabs

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 14:33:57 2023 No.40323619 >>40311760 >excluding Kiara Fuck off KFPiss.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 14:35:56 2023 No.40323684 >>40323619 dreaming chuchu is such a catchy song :(

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 14:37:29 2023 No.40323747 >>40311760 And make sure the EN management never finds work anywhere other than fast food again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 14:37:49 2023 No.40323760 >>40308818 But what if they are using reverse reverse psychology and are waiting for their fans to give them the OK to go fuck the boys on stream?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 14:40:57 2023 No.40323900 >>40309127 >EN girls can piss straight up for 4ft while retaining enough force to shoot a spoon away H-Hot?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 14:44:32 2023 No.40324055 I don't watch HololiveEN, but is the branch actually legitimately in trouble?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 14:46:54 2023 No.40324159 >>40324055 Nah, people are more focused on how it could've been. Just them being mid-4views already puts them on top. The problem is that they should be stable 5views.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 14:48:56 2023 No.40324238

Fucking hell, can we just get gen 3 for HololiveEN and have a few of them be in the EU and not autistic so Kiara can hang out with them?
Either that, or hire those 2 sisters who got booted from MangaGamer, because they did a great job drumming up interest in that stupid VN they were skinned as, enough so to get a sequal made. Seriously Cover, hire the sisters. It's a great bit and they're cute and seiso.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 14:53:23 2023 No.40324407 >>40324238 >collab begging Cringe

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 14:58:37 2023 No.40324595

>>40324055
Depends on what you think trouble means. It's mostly what >>40324159 said but for months the girls are showing a lack of motivation for new projects, none of them tried to make EN's own sportfes after only a few of them were invited to the JP one, while almost every JP members who are competing in the Mario Kart tournament are training with each other there wasn't a single MK stream from either Watson or Kronii (funnily enough Gura was the only one from them who played the game in 5 months), the JP trip was only for fun and we're definitely not getting any 3D debut until after March. It just feels like nobody wants to do anything anymore, both the talents and their management, while the greater EN staff focus all their efforts on StarsEN who are still unable to pass the girls in pretty much any metric even when half of them aren't streaming.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 14:59:02 2023 No.40324611 >>40324407 She's specifically talked about wanting more members close by so she can do offcollab shit with them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:00:59 2023 No.40324702 ffs you idiot 2020 early 21 was the easiest to stream because of rona, girls wanna stream less since they are finacinaly ok and want to touch grass and meet up let them live

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:03:56 2023 No.40324826 >>40324055 They are not, its just homobeggars and JPcels trying to make Fauna to collab with her so they can finally claim it as a victory

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:04:37 2023 No.40324853 Male supremacy chads, we just keep winning!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:04:38 2023 No.40324855 >>40324702 So you're saying they should suffer the consequences of their actions?

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:04:53 2023 No.40324872

>>40324055
I think so.
- First 2 EN gens are burned out
- 3rd gen desperately needed but delayed because of 2 tempus debuts in 6 months
- Many EN girls out sick or on some kind of break
- EN management pushing co-ed Nijisanji dynamics on an audience that really just wants to watch cute girls

I mean it’s not great.
Especially not after the tempura announcement yesterday.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:05:07 2023 No.40324883 >>40324611 Kiara has always been an annoying collab beggar. I personally blame her for stirring up this culture of collab begging in the vtuber community.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:06:14 2023 No.40324934

>>40324702
Depends. If they do it to the detriment of their job in a pretty consistant fashion, it's pretty shitty. Kiara has the job sensibility about it, it's fun, but is great story fodder or collab stream worhy to do it. Jist look at her trip to the Maldives with Reine, or her constant tweeting during the US and JP trip.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:06:26 2023 No.40324948 File: 1.34 MB, 2123x1146, e81423982b4e470509767152a3ac5bfa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm enjoying this arc

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:07:02 2023 No.40324977 File: 2.96 MB, 454x498, 1650942051254.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Actually complaining about wanting more collabs What's the issue? One of the best things about HoloJP is all the collabs.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:07:45 2023 No.40325015

>>40324055
Legit in trouble? Probably not.
In a rough spot? You bet your ass that they are.
After 8 months of the girls not streaming or just being wildly inconsistent, i came to realize that they pretty much just wiped their asses with the golden ticket they were given.
I watch 1-2 views who put in more effort than the girls. I tried to get a male and female one to audition for holopro, but refused after doing a bit of research.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:08:15 2023 No.40325042 >>40324977 Collabs good. Homos bad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:08:25 2023 No.40325054 >>40324977 The EN collabs are usually awful and boring, that's the issue.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:08:53 2023 No.40325081 >>40325042 >Female look at male >THEY'RE HAVING SEX! >IM GETTING KEKKED! >EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD IS KEKKING ME!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:11:21 2023 No.40325197 Tempus now have people who speak their language to collab with meaning you dick head won because now you'll get your cunny moments Since there will be anymore needs for male and female collabs.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:11:43 2023 No.40325213

>>40324977
People are so fucking retarded around here. En is worthless for offcollabing because a decent chunk of them live too far away from each other and the rest are whiney pissbabies about 'muh identity/location'. If the JP girls can regularly get together and have very few issues with that shit in a much smaller country with a lot more people watching/obsessed, you'll be fine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:12:16 2023 No.40325240 >>40325197 dyrbi?

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:13:24 2023 No.40325286

>>40325054
It's because they don't do it enough and they never meet in person to work out the jitters and actually form a relatiinship. They all just midly chat in discord chat (not voice) and it doesn't form anything lasting or create a sense of friendship and makes every fucking group collab stiff as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:13:26 2023 No.40325290 >>40288577 Holy fuck. How is this even happening? What idiot is managing this company?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:14:09 2023 No.40325313 >>40324977 The HoloJP collabs are good because the girls have spent years getting to know each other

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:15:06 2023 No.40325353

Guys I didnt know a kike was going to save VTubing. Based jews amirite fellow VTuber enjoyers! Shit will only get worse if more jews take control of entertainment. Hope you enjoy your tranny jew that will debut within the next year at idol-EN. Did enjoy it goy?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:15:07 2023 No.40325355 >>40324977 Collabs are shit and so are the people who constantly beg for them. solo content streams are better. Also fuck minecraft.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:18:19 2023 No.40325496 >>40325286 The VC is enough when the girls live in around the same time zone and are encouraged to hang around with each other

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:23:02 2023 No.40325699

>>40325496
No it's not. People talk about how internet friendships are just the same as irl ones, and they're wrong. Just listen to the way any of the JP members talks about meeting up, or Irys talks about going out with JP girls, or Kiara with shit like the trip to the Maldives with Reine or going back to Japan for the first time in 2 years and seeing everyone. Hell, the small elevator story from Kiara about her and Reine meeting up with Mori, or Reine's skinship shit with Irys is something you will never has as internet buds. The besr you can do is sit down, play games, and chat.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:24:48 2023 No.40325781

>>40301759
>The girls ruined it by not streaming. The boys did nothing wrong
This, you faggots act like Tempus killed Hololive because they exist and had a few weeks of "let's boost the newbies" collabs. The scary nasty male x female collabs have ended, yet half of HoloEN doesn't even stream still. So what's their excuse? If their excuse that tempus *exists* to not stream, then they don't deserve to be streamers over something so petulant, and should graduate so people who actually watch streamers don't have to deal with their fanbase anymore.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:29:48 2023 No.40326019 >>40325355 collabs are only shit because they keep hiring socially inept autists that take a fucking year to "warm up" and make collabs not awkward as hell and this last part only applies to Council, because most Myth collabs are dogshit to this day.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:31:39 2023 No.40326099

>>40325781
I was seriously surprises by how much they clicked on stream together. I tuned in to one of their early collabs (L4D) and they were bantering and riffing off each other a decent chunk of the time. It all came together when Vesper talked on a solo stream about how they'd jump in calls every night for a while before debut and just sit around and play games. Going back and watching any of the first year group collabs (and hell even some of the newer ones) from Myth specifically, it was unreal the difference in chemestry and communication. It's obvious some of the girls in Myth didn't give a fuck about their gen, and now you can see that some of the same individuals don't give a fuck about their own streams.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:39:21 2023 No.40326468

>>40326099
I've been really pleased with the recent off collab in Japan, with council fucking around after the concert drunk for an hour and just being stupid. That's what many people want to see, male or female.
Instead you end up with a lot of girls feeling rehearsed, and while solo content is obviously the most important, being able to get together with a team is extremely important like any kind of job.
Tempus obviously jive together because the barrier to entry for male interaction is a lot lower; compared to women at least. Several girls seemingly isolate themselves, or become standoffish with interaction. I think outside of Twitter, I can't recall a significant Ame/Gura interaction since Rust.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:42:43 2023 No.40326625 >>40316864 >new gen of males after two weeks of vt spouting "it will never happen" >"VT WAS VINDICATED!!!" kek

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:45:26 2023 No.40326758

>>40326468
The sad thing is, it's fine to have a few isolationists, but with half of your fucking gen is too afraid to even meet up and a quarter of your branch is too afraid to even meet up occasionally with each other, it really puts a damper on the fun. JP has 6 gens, 35 members total. That's a lot of leeway to play with and it's totally fine if Choco doesn't want to hang out with others or Lui stays in her lane, because there's so many other options right next door.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:51:35 2023 No.40327035

>>40326758
And that's why Cover should've been faster to debut new gens. Took too fucking long to expand the branch, hired a bunch of girls isolated on different parts of the world who also prefer to do their own thing alone and now you have a mostly split group who can't even decide on a day to play something like Among Us. If HoloEN had a healthy and consistent injection of new blood we would have had EN3 months ago and either just had the debuts of EN4 or be on the expectation for the coming months. But instead HoloEN now has the longest wait time between new gens from Hololive and if things continue this way they might break the HoloPro's record of 23 months from Uproar.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:52:37 2023 No.40327092

>>40291506
>You can't force them to stream,

This is the truth vt either won't admit or doesn't understand because they've never had a real job. If an employee doesn't want to work, whether it's because of health issues, laziness, problems with management or because the entire company is a pile of shit, etc etc. Doesn't matter what the reasons are in the end, the result is the same.You can't make someone work. At best you can try to make them worried about getting fired, but the better off more/valuable the employee is, the more hollow of a threat being fired is. Do you think Cover wants to lose Gura, for example? Whatever happens afterwards she'll land on her feet and Cover will make less money than they would have if she stayed. That's the reality.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:53:35 2023 No.40327141

>>40326758
That and the global nature hurts them too. Let's look at the list of girls:
Mori - frequently traveling so she can be in Japan often, but outside of the off-collab on the west coast, stays in TX
Kiara - the only European, has only met in Japan outside of the major off-collab
Ina - Has only met in the major off collab, I think she was east coast CAN so farther from most girls
Ame - west coast, but still hasn't traveled to Japan due to pets/personal reasons
Gura - the most schizo myth, has only traveled to the major off collab, uses VPN to hide her location, uses 144p camera to hide her handcam as much as possible

Just in Myth alone, Ina and Gura have done as little as possible there, while Mori and Kiara continue to travel around openly.
Ame, I at least understand her not going anywhere for 2+ weeks due to having multiple animals.

Then you have to consider 2 council members being in school, and the other 2 being on opposite coasts. The whole thing is a logistical nightmare on par with trying to negotiate a family reunion made entirely of women with special needs and dietary issues.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:55:02 2023 No.40327199

>>40327092
This is why JP debuts a new Gen once every year or so.

Because the new gen has to stream a minimum 4-5 days a week.
This allows the older gen to either step back or at least have more room in their schedule.

It’s been 17 fucking months since Council debuted. They need EN gen 3 fast.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:57:18 2023 No.40327296 File: 2.24 MB, 640x640, giga_chad.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>40316478 >Girls?

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:01:21 2023 No.40327472
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>>40327035
Imagine if they'd hired 5 girls all along the northeast corridor, how many off collabs there would be by now.
It costs about $70 bucks to go round trip on a train from DC to Boston, so if all the girls were in the same US region, they could easily meet up once a month with an insignificant amount of travel.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:04:53 2023 No.40327638

>>40327472
I honestly don't know if EN3 needs to be all close together for maximum unity or be spread out and closer to their senpai for the sake of the branch. One thing is for certain that they need to hire at least one or two Euros. Also I'm not Aussie so I have no idea how easy travel within the country is but how the hell Rrat and Sana were genmates for almost a whole year and they never had an offcollab?

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:04:56 2023 No.40327640

>>40327035
It's so unreal. Kiara has been openly vocal on streams about wanting some new blood in EU just so she can do what she expected from her Hololive experience as a fan, to hang out with coworkers semi-frequently. Don't even get me started on the fucking mandated branch Among Us collabs, I'm still salty as fuck that none of Myth other than Kiara (who took over hosting duties because someone else didn't do them) who had to impose on ID for help to even make it work.
I'm not even asking for Niji-levels of debuts, I just want a new gen more frequently so there's more oppertunities for some of the fun that EN has been missing out on. ID and JP have goofy offcollabs all the fucking time and we get tons of entertaining stories and streams out of it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:08:08 2023 No.40327786 >>40327141 The only one you got right is Kiara is European, but nice rrat.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:08:40 2023 No.40327812

>>40327638
Opposite ends of the country. The natives and the land between the east and west coast are a pure deathzone, so it's either fly, or die. Plus the covid restrictions were some of the craziest in the world, so much so there were true camps/hotels they'd take you to.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:11:09 2023 No.40327931 >>40327640 Should be about one a year. They expect new talents to stream 4-5 days a week for the first year. It makes sure there’s a solid base of streaming going on. It’s been 17 months since council debuted…

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:11:36 2023 No.40327954

>>40327640
EN staff is full of retards. Honestly Kiara is better served trying to go back to Japan than staying in Austria because the chances of European members are starting to look fucking grim. Also I don't know if I should laugh because of the hypocrisy or become more embittered with how many people are absolutely fine with new StarsEN members less than 6 months after the first batch and think 17 fucking months is "too soon" for a new EN gen because "muh ACCELERATE". Fucking HoloJP had 28 members at this point in time when compared to HoloEN, but nah, "10" members when there's a chance that two thirds of them will be out of commission for weeks is more than fine.

>>40327812
Jesus fucking Christ. I had an idea about the coof restrictions but I didn't know they lived so far apart. Why the fuck Cover even thought it would be a good idea to hire 2 Aussies when they could easily check that it would be nigh impossible for them to offcollab?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:12:42 2023 No.40328009 >>40326758 >Doing an off collab >During the pandemic LOL

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:13:36 2023 No.40328060 >>40327786 >Rrat ???

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:15:59 2023 No.40328186 >>40328009 People were doing shit together late 2020/early 2021 basically everywhere except Canada, China, and Australia.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:18:26 2023 No.40328311 >>40327954 >Kiara is better served trying to go back to Japan than staying in Austria not while her cats are still alive

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:20:12 2023 No.40328390 >>40327472 It is wild that Gura was the only EN East coaster.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:21:54 2023 No.40328474

>>40328311
She's better served to do it, but she won't. Thise are two different things. I can say that you, as a KFP, should know that she's talked about plans to do multiple long trips to Japan now that its open and has been planning to do so since she moved back to Austria, so there's that at least.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:23:56 2023 No.40328578

>>40328390
It's wild that she's unwilling to meet up with anyone at all. It's not about money either, plenty of other Holos who make much less than her have done out of country shit plenty of times over the last two years for the sake of content. Don't give me that shit.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:25:24 2023 No.40328650

>>40324055
Ask any big streamer out there and they'll tell you one of the most important things you can do is be consistent with when you stream. It causes people to make watching you into a habit instead of a decision. Still, if you stop being consistent people will break the habit and find other habits, and it'll be hard to win them back.

One of the big strengths of a corpo like hololive is that you can rely on other people for that consistency. If one girl isn't streaming then fans can watch her friends who are, and the habit is maintained.
But now for various reasons EN struggles to have even one or two streams in prime time. Even worse, the drama created in the wake of tempus has balkanized the fanbase enough that some viewers dislike some members enough that they won't watch them even if they're the only one in the corp streaming.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:27:25 2023 No.40328756

>>40328390
I swore Fauna was east coast but I have no idea, I think my general assumption is

Ame - West Coast, possibly LA
Mori - Tokyo/Texas
Kiara - Austria/Tokyo
Ina - East Canada
Gura - Mid-Atlantic East Coast

Fauna - thought she was EST but maybe some yuppie place like Colorado
Kronii - West Canada
Mumei - NorCal or PNW
Bae - East Aussie

Which is really spread out. I genuinely think there'd be more collabs if there were girls all located within one region with easy plane/train travel.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:28:37 2023 No.40328820

>>40312263
I don't understand how they can't just hire talented individuals based on exactly that, their talents.. And just then proceed to design a model alongside them who specifically fits the talents.
Is it that hard? They're literally the wealthiest company in the market

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:29:45 2023 No.40328886 >>40325081 What if he's gay though. Can't gay men and women be friends.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:32:13 2023 No.40329015 >>40303733 Nice lies faggot

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:34:56 2023 No.40329142 >>40325781 the only "excuse" is that they're not streaming in boycott which is too schizo to even address

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:35:10 2023 No.40329153

>>40312263
>As for the second point Cover made clear some time ago that HoloEN was made to be a "streamer-focused group" unlike the idol angle JP has
This decision is stupider than mixing genders. HoloEN had a gimmick no one else had in the entire youtube and twitch combined. Instead they threw it away to be more generic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:35:55 2023 No.40329193 >>40310330 Just say your autistic nigga

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:37:26 2023 No.40329260 >>40329153 And they had a pre-established fanbase for that Tempus is competing with shit like Markplier and Gamegrumps.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:42:20 2023 No.40329523 >>40329153 The girls dont stream. Yet the girls dont stream. People are complaining that the girls dont stream for months. You can cry about it all you want, but fact of the matter is people want streams. Streaming is the core of all their activities.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:42:43 2023 No.40329545 >>40327954 Kiara should just go rogue and start building up a clique of EU indies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:44:28 2023 No.40329629 https://youtu.be/TilnAWU7qHM RIP BOZO BRANCH

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:45:59 2023 No.40329706 File: 110 KB, 223x217, 1665011841670.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>40329142 Really makes me wonder about the mentality of >Well they're pleasing their fans by doing nothing and fucking off in protest!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:46:49 2023 No.40329747 >>40328650 simple truth case in point Kaela streams like 24/7. top few ID earner but she's our lovable autistic blacksmith

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:47:40 2023 No.40329798 >>40329706 Then again, imagine how much worse the shitstorm would get if they started firing females right after doing 2 consecutive male gens in 6 months. Part of me wants to see that level of comedy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:48:29 2023 No.40329851 >>40329747 Its too bad Kaela has the personality of drywall but grinds hardcore. You can't have everything I guess.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:48:40 2023 No.40329863

>>40328820
It takes a while for the models to get ready and rigged, but since we don't know how they look like the candidates are sending blind auditions with the kind of characters they want to be, so even if there are absolutely girls who would be better streamers than most of EN right now since their character ideas didn't match with what roles the people in charge have in mind they are discarded for those who are more in line with what they want, and these people apparently have a negative wiggle room to give more chances to a wider variety of people so they pretty much have a massive tunnel vision which ends up limiting the available options.

>>40329153
Because someone convinced Cover that the west doesn't like idols, when we absolutely have our own share of them, and nobody who actually watches streams ever saw a problem with Hololive being about idol vtubers. And as I said the JP "idols" are much more dedicated to both streaming and idol shit than EN to just streaming, so their plan failed spectacularly.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:49:13 2023 No.40329894

>>40329545
No, that's the last thing I want. Part of the reason I like Holo is because they have a pretty strict 'fuck your political talk' thing going on. I don't want to hear about your stupid takes on whatever hot topic is rolling around and being argued about, I want you to be an entertainer, to have a good time on stream and leave all the shit at the door, to tell me about the fun you've been having, and sometimes talk about your troubles.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:49:30 2023 No.40329909 >>40328820 The gen spreads would take even longer then, retard

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:52:31 2023 No.40330095 >>40329863 See, what's stupid is that you think they're trying to fill a character they designed in their head. Just listen to Kiara's talks about her model and predebut worries. It's proof that their hires are not from character castings.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:54:37 2023 No.40330212 >>40329851 and there you go the grid works

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:56:06 2023 No.40330287 File: 1.79 MB, 1920x1080, 1667228723914224.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I miss her so much bros...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:56:21 2023 No.40330310 >>40329894 No one said anything about pilitics though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:57:08 2023 No.40330362 File: 229 KB, 583x583, 1672919146915788.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>40316478

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 16:59:14 2023 No.40330495 >>40330287 She doesn't miss you

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 17:00:09 2023 No.40330535 >>40329015 >n-no! those are lies, believe me! sure anon, sure. Also remember that even if she were to make less money compared to her previous life, it would probably even out considering her current agency doesn't takes a big cut from her earnings.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 17:00:17 2023 No.40330548 >>40330310 I love Kiara, I watch her basically every day. I know that there would be some bleed in of shit I don't ever want to hear her talk about.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 17:01:00 2023 No.40330595

>>40330095
I'm pretty sure the only thing Kiara showed was the concept art stage for her character but at no point she mentioned having any significant control over it. Gura also mentioned only being allowed small changes for her model and she asked for the shark teeth and an ahoge, the latter being denied by Nachomama. Also do you really believe IRyS, Council and Tempus all chose how they would look like? If they had any actual input we wouldn't have IRyS', well, IRyS', Sana's horrible color scheme or Magni's fish face.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 17:22:51 2023 No.40331740 >>40329523 and it so happens that all this started shortly before the debut of tempus

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 17:45:19 2023 No.40332927 >>40329523 Good news! Ame has a birthday so she's going to stream to collect birthday SC money!!!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 17:47:09 2023 No.40333031 >>40331740 Don't make me post the Gura streaming chart that looks like a fucking regression analysis

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 17:47:51 2023 No.40333073 >>40333031 Do it

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 17:51:53 2023 No.40333284 File: 929 KB, 2500x1595, gawr 'outside' gura.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>40333073 Blaming Tempus for Gura is like blaming only Zoomers for pollution.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 17:54:04 2023 No.40333390 >>40333284 To be fair, almost every holo has a similar chart.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 17:55:08 2023 No.40333458 >>40330595 I'm not talking how they looked, but more the hiring process. They aren't typecasting, they're hiring based on experience and probably how well the preformed during the interview.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 17:57:06 2023 No.40333558 >>40333458 They fucking hired Sana. That argument goes out of the window when they thought the girl who barely ever streamed before was a good pick.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 18:04:01 2023 No.40333924 >>40333558 You're going to mention one of the two nepotism hires?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 18:07:32 2023 No.40334079 >>40330535 Nice proofs you got there buddy, but this is a show and tell, not just "tell". Now back your lies or go kiss kson fat roll somewhere else

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 18:07:35 2023 No.40334081

>>40333924
Cover has been nepohiring before you even knew about Hololive and none of them were as retarded as Sana. They saw that Sana was Ina's friends and thought it would be a good idea to hire her over the thousands of other candidates that actually had to fighting against each other to get their attention. Also all of the previous nepohires actually had experience in streaming and content creation outside of being a pro-artist, a skill that Sana didn't even use during her short run, so the EN hiring people absolutely don't give a fuck about experience in streaming which is supposed to be the fucking focus of the branch.

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