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Been wanting to VTube for a while now and I'm thinking of applying to an agency. Would you recommend Niji or Holo and why?

>> No.39638393

Holos make more money, but have less permissions and the fandom is more toxic

>> No.39638570

>>39638393
makes sense since it's more popular and draws in more viewers...niji seems to be a bit less strict when it comes to the audition requirements from what I've seen (can't be too sure though, since they don't have a permanent application site like holo does nowadays)

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>>39638274
The highest chances of success would be with indies, but if you insist on either Hololive or Nijisanji then you should probably aim for the latter.

Without previous streaming experience or a really outstanding skill your chances of joining Hololive are pretty slim. Nijisanji, on the other hand, seem a bit more lax with their requirements and introduce new groups at a much higher rate.

>> No.39638601

>>39638274
Male or female?
Female go holo

Male, still go holo, top dogs at niji are already cemented and chinks have no more room in their hearts. Holostars has potential to actually let you grow your niche since you aren't being replaced every 2 months by the hot new thing.

>> No.39638620

Are you extremely lazy? If so then hololive
Do you swear or have lots of cursed knowledge? If so then nijisanji

>> No.39638628

Holos don't have to stream
Nijis have to cuck their audience

>> No.39638715

>>39638274
Holo is currently the be all and end all of vtubing. If you could rise to the ranks of gura, suisei, pekora then you could say you're successful as a vtuber.

>> No.39638732

>>39638274
>holo
They are only recruiting males, dunno about niji.

>> No.39638881

>>39638601
female. got no prior "public" streaming experience. I can't really elaborate on things too much, but I have been at the forefront of some bigger events with an online audience so it's really a 50/50 on what they will think of this lol
I do have a lot of useful skills in entertainment though. some classic, some not.
>>39638628
>nijis have to cuck their audience
what did he mean by this

>> No.39638982

>>39638274
if you don't have several years of content creation experience you shouldn't even be asking the question

>> No.39639224

>>39638982
I've gathered as much, but even so I won't give up. I'll keep applying and streaming at the same time if that's what it takes. Even if it takes me four years or something and vtubers vanish into obscurity and have like 25 viewers each I won't stop trying

>> No.39639290

>>39638982
This, I don't understand how people can think it's that easy to get into either holo or nijisanji... I watch a JP indie who is much better at singing than 50% of hololive and she gets like 50 views...

>> No.39639498
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Alternatively I could try becoming an indie in my country where vtubing is kinda niche but where's the fun in that

>> No.39640509

>>39638274
You mean like in management? That's pretty cool. I wanna work in the baseball industry some day. Maybe you should take management classes in school if you're up for it

>> No.39640917

>>39640509
bet, recommend me as a candidate for a baseball ball when you get in, anon.

>> No.39641059

>>39638393
>and the fandom is more toxic
Why?

>> No.39641172

>>39638881
Niji males collab with Niji females, which drives away some of the Niji females' more dedicated fans

>> No.39641479

>>39638881
Fwiw another anon poster in /nijien/ about getting turned down despite a lot of entertainment experience because he had no streaming experience so if you plan to apply to either I'd highly recommend doing streaming reps. You don't need an avatar or really even an audience, just show them you have experience with YouTube/twitch style livestreaming

>> No.39641578

Do you want to be a streamer or something more versatile?

>> No.39641646

>>39638274
I recommend you apply to everything and take whatever accepts you.
This includes indies.

>> No.39641907

>>39638274
Post a sample of your work.

>> No.39641913

>>39641479
that's the plan, thank you!
>>39641578
A streamer, but I want to use streaming as means to develop some of my skills and share them with others
>>39641646
holo's application form has a question about whether you have applied anywhere else, which is what initially made me ask the question in the op. I suspect that if I mention applying anywhere else, they won't recognize my dedication.

>> No.39642013

>>39638274
niji definitely

>> No.39642053

>>39638274
The one the right is my wife

>> No.39642123

>>39641907
fuck no. There probably are actual industry people looking at this site and you absolutely shouldn't announce wanting to audition anywhere. Basically, if they (or even you) manage to identify me it is absolutely over.

>> No.39642300

>>39642123
If it's so shit here, then why even bother asking here for advice? Clearly no one here would have succeeded then. Go fucking ask the "safe" ones.

>> No.39642343

If you aren't as worried about the lesser stability and having to stay in the 2- low 3 view range for most of your streaming career small corpos are always something, but you'd definitely have to look into them to see if you'd get the kind of support you would want for things you wanna do. Tsunderia for example, while they would likely hook you up with an awesome model, would kinda be shit for if you wanna do a lot of concert type stuff or have a lot of merch since management is a little too hands off.

>> No.39642435

>>39638274
Do you plan on collabing with males? If so don't apply for Hololive, you will ruin the vibe of the company and the fanbase will hate you.

>> No.39642449

>>39642300
because some of you have been here for a while and have a lot of knowledge of the industry, obviously.
I wouldn't ask anywhere else. There is no point.

>> No.39642522

>>39642449
There's a short circuit in your logic.

>> No.39642537

>>39638274
if you're a girl, niji
cause holoEN doesn't hire anymore so don't get your hopes up
it doesn't hurt to send your application in case of a miracle

>> No.39642561

>>39641913
Nijisanji recruits a lot more frequently and debuts a larger volume of vtubers so if your plan is to stick with one Niji at least has more opportunities. I'd just apply to both and lie on the Holo application though

>> No.39647767
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cute...

>> No.39647769
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since the thread's basically dead now, I would like to thank everyone for the advice. I'll do my best!

>> No.39647825

>>39638274
Just apply to both you dingus.

>> No.39648151

>>39638274
If you learn jp, have a great work ethic and dont have a boring personality, you could become the top dog of HoloEN pretty easily. You’ll also cuck yourself into a jp company with jp work culture though, so you know

>> No.39648210

>>39641913
It takes a year or so to get a hang of streaming, but it takes years to git gud at a unique skill. You won't be able to cultivate a new one at the timeframe of Hololive's existence. So what are you already good at?

>> No.39648308

>>39638274
If you're a cute girl and will fart on an ASMR mic I'll pay you more than niji would.

>> No.39648394

>>39638393
>and the fandom is more toxic
Remember the entire Reimu/Vox fiasco and how hundreds of Chinese femcels were saying they'd fucking fly over there and skin her alive?
I don't remember holoEN fandom doing something even remotely as bad as that.

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>>39647825
AAAHHHG
>>39641913
but also i might cap like the other anon suggested, idk

>> No.39648595

>>39648308
i can't afford an asmr mic and have a healthy diet so my farts are not nearly loud enough, sorry about that

>> No.39648662

>>39648543
People lie on their resume all the time. Just say you didn't apply. If you want to justify lying then just say it's bullshit that they ask you that question in the first place (which it is).

>> No.39648663

You won't get any company loyalty so don't bother. Do [niche] thing instead and create a general centered on that niche, astrosurf it until you find legitimate fans. Read books and have a /bkv/ general? Roguelikes and a roguelike general? Wargames? autism simulators? etc etc etc

>> No.39648746

>>39648662
true, true...I mean Subaru bullshitted her way through the interview and now she's one of their most profitable talents so I might have a chance too

>> No.39649058

>>39648210
From the things I'm quite skilled at it'd be drawing, singing and improv. I'm not good enough at dancing to create my own routines just yet but I enjoy dancing and learning other people's routines. I can edit videos quite nicely, know my way around live2d and I'm currently learning 3d stuff.
I am also bilingual, know another language at a beginner level and I'll be forced to take japanese lessons next year

>> No.39649216

>>39649058
Good enough. Video editing hasn't exactly been explored in HoloEN and someone doing those by herself would be a nice addition. IIRC I remember La+ did this after debut. 3D projects would undoubtedly be easy if you get in because Ame is more than willing on onboard anyone interested.

>> No.39650249

>>39649058
Singing and dancing are great talents to have if you want to get into holo, but good luck with that since they only accept 5 people a year at most

>> No.39650490
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>>39638274
From my own impressions:
If you're a male and care about numbers, Niji is the better choice.
If you're a female and care about numbers, Holo is the better choice.

If you have distinguishable, but also broadly marketable talents and wish to get support that is catering towards it, Holo seems like the better pick between the two since they seem to allow and wish for a tiny tad more individuality compared to Niji despite being also more restrictive with content and permissions. Also keep in mind that HoloPro doesn't release new waves very often, which means competition for the few spots will be fierce. Also keep in mind that you should be open towards idol typical activities such as singing, releasing song covers or originals and eventually for some basic dancing too.

If you feel like you don't have any outstanding skills, but still think you can make it as a general streamer, Niji seems to offer the better chances, but with the trade-off that they likely pick their talents to match the market's most popular taste (humor, personal taste in gaming and music, hobbies). More recently Anycolor has seemingly also become more encouraging regarding idol activities, so even if they do not explicitly state that you need to engage in any related activities, you should keep it in the back of your head that you will eventually see involvement of some form. So being open towards these things is a plus too. On the other hand despite the frequent releases of new talents, not many of them stick out giving off the impression that individuality and eccentrism for recognizability is not as much of an important factor for them compared to easy marketability, which in the end means, if your tastes and ideas are too specific and niche, you may be not what they are looking for.

Either way I would recommend just starting out as an indie and try out being a vtuber first. If you have very concrete ideas about what you want to create and become, want to keep as much agency about your content as possible and feel like you don't fit into the image of above mentioned, I would recommend staying an indie and working towards creating a niche for yourself.

And last, independently from whichever you chose, keep in mind that versatility is always appreciated and helps you become a more well-rounded talent.

>> No.39656317

>>39638274
You have to be an established content creator to be accepted into either of those companies, anon. In fact most of their members were indie vtubers before they joined. I think the furthest either company has strayed from that criterion was when Niji hired Kyo, who was some random fortnite player on youtube.

>> No.39657848

>>39638274
>Would you recommend Niji or Holo and why?
Depends if your male or female

>> No.39658896

>>39648394
Chinks only have empty threats. If you can weather that you'll be fine.
>>39638570
The application is much like the Holo one. The only added requisite was for the gamers wave which asked for you to list accomplishments IIRC. The Holo one asks more questions actually, like what is your long term goal and who is your favorite talent.

>> No.39659076

Niji seems to be much easier to get into, but doesn't come with the explosive growth that Hololive gets just by the name alone. It does grant you more freedoms though as well as access to others.

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>>39638274
SELEN I KNOW YOU ARE /HERE/ PLEASE MARRY ME I LOVE YOU SO MUCH, I WOULD LET YOUR FRIENDS INTO OUR HOUSE EVEN IF THEY ARE IND*NESIAN

>> No.39665581

>>39638274
>Would you recommend Niji or Holo and why?
try out for both

>> No.39668142

>>39648663
+1 for the only good advice in this thread
Specialization is key at this stage

>> No.39668523

>>39638393
less perms is a cap, holo is the way to money

>> No.39668649

>>39638274
i can feel her spirit, this girl might Win

>> No.39669874

>>39668142
Maybe for getting attention as an indie but a lot of NijiEN people have said they basically just threw whatever was popular onto their applications in terms of planned streaming content, like apex, genshin, etc. Selen said around the time of her debut that management was pushing her to play genshin and Minecraft to buff herself in her channel's growth phase and she told them to fuck off and played a bunch of ps2 games

>> No.39669979

>>39638274
hows your feet game

>> No.39670015

>>39638274
You don't have a high chance of getting into either company anyways, so just apply to whichever agency you see.

>> No.39670085

>>39638274
Depends.
Do you want to be an idol and are you willing to not be a whore for a few years? Go to Hololive
Do you want to continue being a whore and offcollab with dudes and flirt with them? Go to niji

>> No.39670378

>>39638274
If you don't have any specific talent, just lie on your holo's resume and wait for a few years, if you get in, congratulation you have talents now

>> No.39670778

Make sure to lie about what you like on the applications. Mention APEX and Minecraft. If you're going with Nijisanji, mention Genshin Impact as well, the hiring managers fucking LOOOOVE that shit. Makes 'em cum. Include other wide-range game interests like Pokemon and Mario Kart.

>> No.39673036

>>39638274
neato

>> No.39675143

>>39638274
towalive

>> No.39675229

>>39648595
Immensely disappointing, I recommend taco bell for returns on fart based profits

>> No.39678384

>>39638274
vshojo

>> No.39678524

Depends
Do you have a boyfriend?
Do you want to fuck men on stream?
If you answered yes to those than niji is your answer

>> No.39678601

>>39638881
Hmm we will head to see your breasts to make a proper decision for you

>> No.39678815

>>39638274.
Well holo isn't recruiting so your only hope is niji

>> No.39679483

>>39638274
If you don't have experience, start as an Indie. All holos and nijis have years of experience in streaming, let's plays or the entertainment industry, so you have to first go through that.

Also if your goal is to use your VTubing activities in your personal portfolio, it would probably be better to stay Indie.

Also start streaming, even if your model is just a default model or a self-made VRoid avatar. One of the first hurdles is to become comfortable to talk to the screen. So better get that period where you suck over with fast.

>> No.39680835

>>39669979
I can draw them on
>>39670085
Anon I am a borderline shut in with what my current career path entails (think about an ina kind of situation except I don't have 100k twitter followers)
>>39675229
we don't have taco bell here
>>39678384
they seem to only accept big and loud people who like drama. Also I just don't like the majority of their talents unfortunately
>>39678601
I can draw them on

>> No.39681047

>>39679483
I don't have trouble with streaming with an audience of 1 or even 0. I can talk to myself and both be entartained and entertaining perfectly fine, so this seems like a pretty good option for the start. Thanks you anon. I will keep applying regardless

>> No.39681053

>>39680835
You draw on them? Like people's screen names when they give a dono? Kinda hot

>> No.39681171

>>39681053
I will draw your name on my png feet (clothed) and giant png boobs with a shitty red ms paint pen

>> No.39681957

>>39681171
I would unironically supa to see that

>> No.39682118

>>39681957
Ironically I don't think holo management would allow me to be this unhnged. I'd have to come up with something more seiso but I could make it funny enough to work

>> No.39682617

>>39682118
Yeah I'm sure you could figure something out. I wish you the best luck you seem like you could be a fun addition. Hopefully one day I'll catch you streaming with Holo or on your own.

>> No.39682734

>>39682617
thanks, anon. I appreciate it a lot :-)

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