/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Considering the events of this year (her dislike for her design, the HomoEn collab drama, etc) I'm curious
What was her deal?

Was she really unaware about how "idol culture" and the Vtuber industry worked?
Or you think she was aware and thought it would be "her way or the highway" and she would "do whatever she wants" despite what her audience thought or wanted?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
>well, this is kinda like voice acting I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
She was not "unaware" of idol culture, she just hated it.
The only thing she was unaware off was the fact that most viewers who watched her had feelings for her, she thought it was always ironic. That's when she tried to understand parasocialism during the infamous member stream.

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>>39558737
We're her numbers affected by the homo drama? I remember she banned some of her simps (Gabe)

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
>Stream gets pummeled by anonymous trolls
>Homobeggars and Unicorns battle in her chatroom
>Shippers start shipping her with Altaire
>She just wants to stream like normal
Yeah, it was her deal all right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
amateur VAs are desperate and take any job they can get.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39559391
Like Gura?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558923
What happened in the stream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39559681
"You guys have female friends right?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>39559779
that was in a public stream you retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
she likes fire emblem and fire emblem has lot of shippings

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
She decided to join hololive for the money despite knowing full well who their audience are and why they are successful. Then decided to turn her channel into nijisanji EN lite and was for some reason surprised when she got backlash. She then decided to double down and her income took a hit.
The last holoEN male collab was months ago, which homobeggars will claim is a complete coincidence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558923
>She was not "unaware" of idol culture, she just hated it
Then why the fuck did she apply to a company known for having idol vtubers? Even if she believed in the autism that EN wasn't supposed to be idols but focused on streamers she should've seen it coming that a big part of the audience actually likes the idol thing, not to mention that she's barely a streamer with how inconsistent her schedules are and the amount of breaks she takes.

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>>39559998
>Then why the fuck did she apply to bla bla bla"
Easy money and popularity, dumbass

[Anonymous No.]

>>39559998
she applied just because aspiring VAs apply to anything they can apply to, she didn't expect to be accepted.

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>>39559681
She basically tried to "level" with her fanbase (under the guise of some random guerilla "member breakfast stream" kek), while at the same time there's a war between pro-males and anti-males faction on her chat. And mind you, she actually defended the no-males faction from the pro-males faction on that stream.

In hindsight the shitshow that single Kronii's tweet caused actually pretty justified. Shit's practically an RKO kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560109
Half of NijiEN went specifically for it because they didn't want to deal with the idol-shit Hololive is known for. A bunch of indies also swore off trying for HoloEN because of the same reasons. If she knew about the idol culture bullshit and still went for Hololive expecting she wouldn't have to deal with it she's a huge retard, but considering how she dealt with the backlash then I don't think there's any doubt about that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
She is a braindead stoner

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>>39559998
Because when you're applying to these things, you apply to literally everything and pick the one that accepts you first.
It's the exact same with Hedgehog friend who applied to both Holo and Niji and Niji accepted first so now she's in NijiEN.
Kronii just applied to everything and holo happened to say yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39559681
>member stream
>try to make a compromise and say that she won't ever interact with the boys ON TWITTER
>meanwhile the boys are having a punishment game, loser posts their underwear on twitter
>tempus lost, they post their undies (the winners did too but did it for the meme)
>not less than 24 hours later, kronii replies to noir's underwear

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560294
If you could chose between Hololive and Nijisanji anyone with common sense would chose Hololive, even if you do not care about it's all about.
Hololive talents gets way more money and popularity.
Kronii is not the only one who doesn't care about Hololive represents anyway, there's Ina, Amelia, Mori, Bae, Mumei or the worst of all... Sana.

[Anonymous No.]

who fucking cares she was never entertaining and people only like her for her model

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560301
What did she say here that was wrong? Are you mad because what she said was wrong, or because she was the one who said it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39559998
>a company known for having idol vtubers?
Because she correctly understood that this is a meme and was never intended to be taken seriously. It's just EN-watching unicorn holobronies (mostly SEA) who have been trying to pretend otherwise and pushing their insane standards on literally everyone else.
>why don't they stick to ID anon?
idk, probably got mindbroken by them.

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>>39560467
>Putting Mumei under this list
ngmi

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560467
What did Ina do

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560536
There never was an issue about shipping but she somehow thought it was and then started to use "idol culture" as the defense for her not enjoying ships with men but being totally ok with Mumei

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>>39560462
I love how everyone focuses on that part of the overall shit compromise and ignores the fact that it would have meant less streams on her end because she said she would not have a pov.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39559326
no one else will reply to this post because it goes against their schizo narrative

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560609
Hates her fans, collabs with Tempus and take months long breaks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
>imposter syndrome
>unable to tardwrangle her horny chat
>keeps reading their mental illness fueled supas

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560301
So she never said that "unfortunately idol culture is a thing." She said "there unfortunately is [a double standard between same-sex and opposite-sex shipping] because idol culture is a thing."
Honestly, why am I not even surprised that the phrase that got parroted for FUCKING MONTHS was taken out of context?

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>>39560280
The anti-male faction said the reason they were against male collabs was becasue of "CGDCT". The actual reason they are against it is sexual jealousy, that dishonesty made Kronii misunderstand the whole thing and think it was something unimportant.

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>>39560589
>Mostly SEA
We're not talking about NijiEN fanbase with their majority of SEA and Chinese fanbase anon.
That aside, funny that you said "mostly SEA" when they're for the record the most cucked chuba fanbase lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560712
> collabs with Tempus
when tf

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560881
This is not /wg/, faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
>Or you think she was aware and thought it would be "her way or the highway"
I have no idea what goes through her mind but doing a unarchived members specifically to roll around in the autism about males and try to discuss it is not something I would attribute to someone who was totally aware and deadset on doing whatever she wanted anyway.
Her then upping the stupidity factor by debating the point in clipper comment sections just further illustrates she didn't/doesn't know what the fuck she is doing.

Even if she then came back from her break with a definitive statement backed up by the company she did what, like two more streams with them then absolutely nothing for months at this point? I think the statement she made about doing whatever she wanted was perhaps a way of propping up her own pride about not folding to the "trolls" but she has decided to acquiesce to them regardless and provide content that won't make a portion of her fans upset.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560877
The only crime Kronii committed was treating antis like grown, intelligent adults who could read and understand the written word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560589
EN unicorns are overwhelmingly american.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39559932
>The last holoEN male collab was months ago, which homobeggars will claim is a complete coincidence.
Considering all you said and what I've seen on other threads, not only is that true but I have the theory that she and the dick ridders like Ame and Mori wanted to do the "my way or the highway" and "teach a lesson to those filthy lonely incels" (like Ame and her "improve yourself" bs) you know their ego and shit BUT the faggots realise not only they would end up being the target of the hate
(eventually/on the short term once unicorns use their brains more than 2 seconds) but that in terms of money that would eventually end up fucking everyone over so it was actually THEY who end up telling the girls to gtfo and not the girls
I doubt any of them would've "get down from their horse" voluntarily, I think the guys either talk to them or they talk to staff to tell them to fuck off

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560358
But that's not true for everyone. As I said here >>39560294 there's lots of people out there who don't go for HoloEN because they understand what's expected of them and they don't want to deal with those expectations. And by the time EN2 auditions started NijiEN already had their like 3 months before, so the options were there and she still went for the agency that she already knew that would have things that she didn't want to deal with.

>>39560467
Well the people without a common sense have chosen the other options and now they don't have to deal with an audience that they hate. Maybe lacking common sense might be a good thing once in a while.

>>39560589
>is a meme and was never intended to be taken seriously
Even if this is partially true she's can't even do her job properly. The JP idols manage to stream, do idol shit and not go on retarded rants about stuff they don't understand, so maybe there's something wrong in the way she interpreted what Hololive is meant to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560467
Wait, how is Mumei bad?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39561056
It was managment the ones that stopped the collabs. The reason were supressed numbers and backlash. But that's not how it was explained to the talents, because it would infringe upon their freedom and would offend them.
They pretend it is a collective punishment against Tempus becasue of the Vesper thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560589
>Because she correctly understood that this is a meme and was never intended to be taken seriously.
That shit is a meme within a meme. That entire meme is supposed to be taken ironically, only retards/newfags will believe it unironically when talking about Hololive being an idol is just a "meme".

[Anonymous No.]

>>39561262
See >>39561004

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
She didn't know much, and was on the right track but Mori ruined her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
She is in league with the omega faction of HoloEN management, they kept telling her it was and that HoloEN is gonna change the culture of Hololive forever with regular male collabs, etc.. they used her as a pawn for their goals

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>>39561132
He assembled that list purely on there being a whiff of males about them and no other criteria, including Ina for contributing to a song cover and Mumei for one starsJP collab, but is also not including Kiara and IRyS for their male collab with the catboy for ...reasons? I wonder what somehow makes that less egregious than Ina providing vocals to a song.

The answer of course is that it is a shitpost and the only one on his list that debatably does want to
>change what hololive represents
Is Mori based on statements she has made in the past

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558761
FUGG AIDOL CULTUR :DDD

[Anonymous No.]

>>39561474
This. Mori is a bad influence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39561769
>catboy
who?

[Anonymous No.]

I do not forgive her. You broke my heart, blue woman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39561769
>Kiara and IRyS
It's a business collab, retard. Why the fuck people thought Frisky is some random chuba or shit when he's the fucking CEO of dokomi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39561884
obviously.
we all know the, lets be friend, u go girl show them all, all the while plotting their downfall.
women are like that sometimes especially the fat ugly types.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560467
Fauna supremacy shows up once again
SAPLINGS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!

[Anonymous No.]

>>39562042
What broke the camel

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560637
Remember, anon:
Faggot unicorns hate shippings unless it's with another woman because SOMEHOW that makes them less cucks in their mind

[Anonymous No.]

>>39562421
https://twitter.com/ourokronii/status/1571744796817100801

[Anonymous No.]

>>39562109
He is a chuuba and a male and he appeared on stream with them, I don't give a fuck about your justifications when the post I was responding to was shitting on Ina for providing vocals to a song.
If it wasn't clear already I don't think either situations are bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>39562557
sadly she broke herself,
who cares some people can't save themselves.
this is just a job yet she can't even do the bare minimum,
drop this hot garbage long ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39562491
But cute things are cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
You're not curious, you're one of the handful of trolls who take turns making the same kronii threads every day. Everyone else has moved on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39562889
He's a former Kronie who wants to be convinced to return...

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>>39562557
Gabe killed her cat

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>>39562816
Because business collab is different to personal collab you retard, the distinction is practically there even for the traditional idols since forever so thinking IRyS and Kiara doing a business collab is the same as Ina is still retarded even if we go to the original poster's post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39562557
This tweet was practically a signal flare for the dramafaggots. dumb clock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39563162
The cat is not real anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>39562557
I want to fuck the clock

[Anonymous No.]

>>39563307
she truly is the clock who cried "homos"...

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>>39563199
And Ina provided vocals that were assembled into a group song and yet the post I was responding to was painting her as some kind of subversive force against hololive, highlighting something equally tenuous (the catboy collab) to point out how ridiculous he was being was the point of my response.

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>>39562889
You're not "everyone" anonchama...

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>>39563374
You're assuming that retard assembled the list "purely on there being a whiff of males about them" when it's clear that it's not just "males" but Holostars specifically, so even your response still missed the mark in the first place.

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>>39563374
I'm not assblasted that Ina provided vocals for the cover, but I think the point is that Kiara and IRyS really didn't had much of a choice on their situation since it was an official event, while Ina could've just ignored Axel's request. No one was forcing Ina to be part of the cover, while Kiara and IRyS were sent to the event representing Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560467
Don't say that Bae doesn't care, bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560147
>aspiring VAs
>voice completely flat and devoid of range
ok

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>>39559998
Because the definition of 'Idol culture' used by Cover/Hololive and the definition of 'Idol culture' spread around by gachikoi incels are two completely different things. She hates the latter, but has no issue with the former.

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>>39563542
Yeah I guess, but anyone who assembles a list like that in the first place is going to have a problem with anything males related, TT podcast, Ina's drawing collab on pixiv no matter if it is holostars or not.
>>39563575
Fair enough, the song cover doesn't bother me either despite not wanting actual male collabs but I agree with that

[Anonymous No.]

>>39563374
>Equally tenuous
>Equally
Nigga bringing IRyS and Kiara's sponsored collab into that list will be even more tenuous than Ina being one of the first member to respond to Axel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39562557
>flip-flops on homo collabs
>drama ensues
>tells members she wont interact with them on twitter
>interacts with them
>full on drama battle between unicorns and homobeggars
>puts her foot down and says she will collab with them
>unicorns btfo, managers have to step in and back her ass
>1on1 collab with Vesper, probably the least offensive homo

Fast forward to the end of 2022, that was the last time she collabed with a homo, as far as I can remember because I don't watch her anymore (not that you can watch her even if you want lately). Literally what was the point of her schizo meltdown

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>>39563702
If she hates the latter so fucking much then why didn't she try to filter her audience with the whole year she had before Tempus debuted? She never even mentioned anything about StarsJP before August of 2022, so anyone with half a brain cell would believe she wasn't interested in interacting with them. And don't come at me with "muh language barrier" when she did a couple of collabs with HoloJP members while fumbling her way with her completely broken Japanese, and if she asked Rrat to help her on a collab with the original Stars I'm sure she would more than happy to help. Kronii had all the time in the world to build up a fanbase that wouldn't criticize the decision she took 3 months ago so she doesn't have anyone but herself to blame for the backlash and the way she dealt with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>39563702
you can't hate or has no issue with something that you don't even understand, anon. It's just simply a retardation at that point.

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>>39563852
> Literally what was the point of her schizo meltdown
2 things, reddit saying she was being mind controlled by the gachi fans and Mori/omega/SJW friends pushing her to make an statement to "own" the unicorns.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39563641
aspiring doesnt mean that she's good

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560462
>she won't ever interact with the boys ON TWITTER
I remember seeing a clip of it, and she didn't say she won't EVER interact with them, it was more like "I probably won't talk to them much on twitter because I barely even use twitter".

[Anonymous No.]

Kronii tried to assuage her fanbase and then immediately shit all over them, took a break and came back saying she was going to do the opposite of what she talked to her members about and hid behind management

[Anonymous No.]

>>39564824
It's still funny though because not long after that statement she actually replied to a tweet of a boxer kek. Your oshi is a good circusmaster, kronies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39564761
She didn't do this because she wants to be a VA, she did it because once she was in she'd be able to make easy money. Only problem is that she's incredibly lazy, lacks chemistry with most of the other vtubers, actively despises her model to the point of being disrespectful to the creator, and doesn't see the merit in bothering to even just appear like she cares about her members.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
After she comes back from her break she’s going to lean into the tsun gfe, screenshot this

[Anonymous No.]

>>39565074
My dick is waiting patiently

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
She applied as a joke, debuted for the money, and stayed to finance her IRL career.

She doesn't like her model.
She doesn't like streaming.
She doesn't even like her fans.
It's obvious that she will graduate soon, her outfit is the only one being seriously delayed because she asked for "adjustments," meaning she wants it desexualized and covering up her chest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39565588
If she graduates without doing a single ringfit stream with those pendulous tits free of that kimono I will be very disappointed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
She is just really socially inept and has a bad attitude. She's not cut out to be a streamer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560609
Never read super sharts

[Anonymous No.]

>>39564945
didn't stop mori

[Anonymous No.]

>>39566403
why is that bad? i still want to send her a red when she returns

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560462
>less than 24 hours
Try 24 minutes. She went on manager mandated break the same night and still told her Kronies to behave before she tweeted at Vesper’s dick print and tried licking it through her monitor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39567368
Isn't she lesbian, like not even bi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39567422
Lesbians will take a dick out of spite

[Anonymous No.]

>>39567422
yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>39567446
spite what.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560462
I find it hard to believe this. You probably misinterpreted her words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39563916
>speaks broken Japanese
>expecting her to ever talk to StarsJP
>expecting her to say she will never interact with males when they didn’t exist yet
How are you this retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39567590
Nah it’s true, the memshi was leaked, just do your archival reps. There are several posts where people transcribe the moments too if you are that desperate for a spoonfeed

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>>39567619
Did your brain erase like half of my post saying that excuse is bullshit? Are we ignoring the collabs she had with Polka? Not to mention the whole point of my post is how it was her responsibility to filter her audience to prevent backlash, something she never even tried to do and then got surprised when parts of the fanbase she build weren't happy with the collabs.

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>>39567655
Yeah. Gimme a few keywords and I'll search it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39564503
>Mori
>SJW
Thanks for that laugh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560294
You're really stupid if you think they didn't "want" to deal with Hololive. They most certainly applied and just got rejected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39565588
Apparently everyone applied to Hololive EN as a joke, what does that say about Hololive as a company?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39567422
Not a chance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560877
So you're saying that she actually loves idol culture even though she mentioned it as the primary cause for something she dislikes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39568006
>joke
It was more of, why not kinda thing. Kronii's a good streamer, they have good eyes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39568079
NTA but you can like something while disliking something that comes out of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39568285
Are there any examples of her talking about idol culture in a positive way?

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>>39567590
Oh anon, that anon only scratched the surface of that now-deleted "infamous" member stream. If you actually watched that stream you will finally understand why even though Kronies are retarded, Kronii was still the most retarded party in that month-long fiasco.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
At this point I think she's just really, but really really retarded and just wanted a place to work on and make some friends to have an easy life

[Anonymous No.]

>>39562557
one can't help but wonder how many of those twitterers still watches her streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>39565588
Why does she do a 24 songs members only karaoke if she doesn’t like her fans?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39568368
No but that comes more so from it not being brought up than her actually disliking it. Nobody really brought up idol culture in her circles before the whole tempus debacle. Even then most of Hololive doesn't talk about idol culture randomly anyhow.

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>>39567855
'Kronii Deleted members stream'
will link you to the dead link for the stream but then you can search that link on the archive for the other posts and the associated threads.

https://streamable.com/4bf4eb
Here is the one bit about the twitter thing, there is obviously more. I still have the Vod rip and can reupload it but seems kind of pointless for such a dead arc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39568594
NTA but it is funny to me how the only people offended by that members only stream aren't even Kronies in the first place. Very telling.

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>>39568891
So in other words there's no reason to not take her words at face value.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39568948
just because you say this isn’t going to make it true

[Anonymous No.]

>>39568908
I don't know why everyone focuses on the twitter part of her compromise when the more egregious part of her compromise was the promise to not stream her pov.

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>>39568992
If you can find me more than ten Kronies that were offended by what she said I will take back my words. The fact is whenever someone talks about this shit, they always speak in a tense which implies they are an outsider and not part of the group.

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>>39568953
Of course you can take her words at face value (she said so herself) but she never said she disliked idol culture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39568006
It's a small corp streaming anime girls online, not a film studio.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569205
She did. Nothing was being communicated there other than her dislike of idol culture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569054
It’s because it’s the most documented thing regarding the whole drama due to the fact it’s Kronii commenting on a “homo’s” dick on main after going through her entire no shipping self inflicted confusion arc.
Either way I felt bad that the links were dead after I told someone to do their reps so I’m just gonna reup the thing and you guys can sort the shit out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39568157
>Kronii's a good streamer
Yeah alright

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569143
go ask in /hlg/ or look at /inf/ archives, FYI being upset doesn’t mean acting like an anti

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569369
I enjoy her content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569257
So are we taking her words at face value or are we not? Because if we take her words at face value, she wasn't communicating a dislike of idol culture, she was communicating a reason for a double standard that existed within shipping. Anyone who was there could tell you this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569346
thx senpai

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569381
You can be upset. I was upset. I did not want her to collab with males either. Turning into a straight up anti over it though is something I cannot forgive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569399
>content

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569454
Then we agree

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
Majority of fans hate the culture most you unicorns think is the norm not to mention the audience for twitch whores is bigger than the remaining holo's because unicorns are too much of a problem, so yeah your delusional and should fuck off
the holo's would be way more successful without you

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569541
Yeah! She has a nice voice too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39562491
Go jerk off to tranny porn

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
>Was she really unaware about how "idol culture" and the Vtuber industry worked
Of course she was unaware. No one getting into hololive is truly aware of how it works until they get in. They may be the hugest idol/VTuber fans in the world, but until they actually make it in they have no idea how it all actually operates or how fans act until they experience it all first hand. Then the reality of it all truly sets in.
You may think you ‘know’ something, but until you’ve actually put the knowledge to use and experienced said knowledge’s application in the real world, you truly have no idea.

[Anonymous No.]

So much drama.
Who cares, faggots? She’s never gonna fuck you anyway lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569604
>v

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569411
You have to be completely delusional to assume that she actually loves or is even neutral about idol culture after explicitly stating her reason for disliking it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569632
thanks for the wisdom

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569632
which one is the "I'm perfectly normal by 4chan standards and don't parasocial 2D characters" one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569652
She was saying why it was unfortunate for the shippers that were complaining, not that she herself thought it was unfortunate. Did you miss her entire tirade about how she didn't want to be shipped with her male coworkers? Context is important. Shippers sperged out.

[Anonymous No.]

https://gofile.io/d/oYGr8w
Merry Christmas, never make me do this again

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569635
v?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569723
She was saying that idol culture is bad because of the reason she mentioned. There no reason to assume that she misspoke and actually meant something else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569809
Merry Christmas destroyer of rrats

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569723
Shippers? I thought unicorns were the loudest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569809
What have you done anon...

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569993
She didn't know the difference at the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569925
Then you are blind. No two ways about it. If what you got from that was "I hate idol culture" than you are not worth engaging with seriously. You obviously were not there and you refuse to understand any context given by people who were there. Kronii antis are the only people who can be mad because of shit that never happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560462
>say that she won't ever interact with the boys ON TWITTER
why are SEAniggers liars? is it a cultural thing?

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>>39569723
Shipping was never the issue, she either tried to be slick and deflect the issue by gaslighting it as something it wasn't (which backfired) or she was that stupid that she misinterpreted the situation and made it worse. Even /inf/ was confused as all fuck listening to her talk about it.
The Membership stream clearly shows that at some level, whether by knowing all along or finally getting a clue after talking to her greens, that she knew what the real issue was and tried to proceed accordingly with a compromise which she ultimately broke for whatever reason it was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39570169
I was there, that compromise sucked. We would have gotten even less streams with Kronii's pov, something that was already an issue. I am glad she scrapped it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39570147
NTA and obviously hyperbole, but this is pretty damning >>39568908

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>>39570169
She thought people were shitposting, realized too late that a chunk of her audience need to seriously touch grass or rope themselves.
Tried to play it off as a bit, but reeled it back when a manager probably shot her a memo.

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>>39569809
this feels weirdly uncomfortable to watch

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569809
I'm afraid to watch this. I like Kronii.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569809
It's over...

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
>The fans didn't leave because she wasn't entertaining or consistent, the fans left because of le drama!

[Anonymous No.]

>>39570482
I'll admit I didn't finish it watching for the same reason when this leaked out the first time.
And Gabe gaslighting about the contents sure as fuck didn't help even though I knew he was not to be trusted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558923
To add to this she had friends and cousins who tried to get her interested in K-dramas and K-pop, but with a few exceptions she never liked them. K-pop culture is probably what filtered her the most when it comes to idol stuff.

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>>39559922
Yeah, she even shipped herself in her pl. As long as it's girl-girl she doesn't mind it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39570711
That's unfortunate because K-pop should be bombed off the face of this earth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39559998
Watch her debut streams, improving her singing/music and probably money were her biggest motivations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569809
this just makes me more confused than I already was

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569809
I didn't understand, what the hell is supposed to happen there? I'm not going to watch a full stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39571147
If you want further confusion, pic related >>39560301 took place the same night 12 hours AFTER her memshi.
She meheras on her clipper's comment section and fights with other people and the clipper has to shut down the comment section to protect her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569809
how much of an autist is this gabe guy that Kronii and everyone in chat knows who he is?

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>>39570054
No, she woke-up to see a bunch of clips of her laughing to Altare's joke and people shipping her in the comments, that's what pissed her off. She wasn't even aware unicorns were a problem at this point, plus she was already used ti kronies being downbad for her and she didn't mind it that much, until started it morphed intoto drama and harrassment.

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>>39571599
Peak /inf/ schizo and allegedly a former paypig. He did "meet" Kronii at a convention meet and greet as well as other Kronies. Somehow held massive sway with the schizoid and the unicucks /here/ and on sever Kronie discords.
He did eventually get banned by Kronii because he renamed himself [Unicorn Emoji] Incel Unit and spammed the chat during the Vesper collab.
His latest shenanigans was trying to groom a 2view but found out too late the 2view was a /here/fag and called him an incel on twitter when he attempted to... "shoot his shot", whatever that means to Gabe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39571811
jesas

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560462
Make sense. Vesper is best boi. Once again why he got suspended. Holo management fears him NTRing the incels and fucking all the girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39567368
>she tweeted at Vesper’s dick print and tried licking it through her monitor.

Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>39571538
It's not long, plus it's the most relevant stream when it comes to her addressing the Tempus drama.

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>>39571641
>No, she woke-up to see a bunch of clips of her laughing to Altare's joke and people shipping her in the comments, that's what pissed her off.
Then why was she totally fine with clips floating around of her laughing her ass off and going insane during both the Vesper collab and the Mario Party collab with Vesper and Magni, or when she skinwalked Axel's model for a Tempus collab.
She either tried to play dumb and found out the hard way or she was fucking stupid and didn't know better.
Or maybe you are right and everything she did afterwards was out of spite? To me it seems a bit odd to fuel clips you hate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39568006
Even I'm applying to Holo EN as a joke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39571599
He was active here, fancords, twitter, her free chat and streams. Everyone, knew him, because he's an attention whore and Kronii loved bantering with him during streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39568605
Basically this. Like unironically this. I am pretty sure she said it herself and one of those wiki sites said the same thing. She wanted friends and a way to make money. Good for her.

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>>39572010
Because, she took two weeks off to think things over and she then decided to double down on Tempus collabs.

She also, actively flirts with the other girls in collabs now, which she was much more reluctant to do before all the drama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39571599
he was my hero before woozie exposes him

[Anonymous No.]

>>39571538
>>39569809

I agree. Someone give me the TL;DR cause that's a lot of minuets. Too bad I'm not watching them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39572010
It was out of spite desu, even altare straight up isolated himself after he realized the dumb girls were using them to purge unicorns, to the point he even left Mori on read when she invited him for a pokemon collab kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>39568157
Kronii has her moments but calling her a good streamer is a stretch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560301
what video was this even posted on

[Anonymous No.]

>>39571641
It also doesn't help that Mori has a track record of her collab partner's audio being shit when hosting stuff on her channel, so people taking a single mic peak moment and trying to ship people who never interacted up until that point was pants-on-head retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39572056
this guy had kronii know his name and got to banter with her and he threw it away because he wanted to act like an autist unicorn?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39559586
Gura is an even worse VA than Kronii. Have you heard her in any Hololive skit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39563293
Eh, it helped end a lot of drama that was happening here, reddit and on twitter. She was the sacrificial goat in the culture war, she never wanted to be the poster child, for "le idol culture bad" types but they turned her into a martyr for their cause and they won for maybe two weeks, before she went back to pretending Tempus doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.]

Kronii deserves nothing but bad things to happen to her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560637
There absolutely was a problem, it pissed off Altare too. Also, any shipping art that has them together gets automatically purged from PIXIV. The both of them came out strong against that shit.

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>>39560881
Nah, i'm a /u/ fag and I have never found male VTubers to be entertaining. She collab with whomever she wants, but I'll still skip Stars collabs and will watch Mumei instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39561025
Or, maybe she actually didn't enjoy the Tempus collabs and just eventually got bored of 'owning the haters' and went back to the content that she actually enjoys.

[Anonymous No.]

Got into a hobby full of people she hates because it was easy money

[Anonymous No.]

>>39561045
Not true, her biggest antis were from Korea from what I could find.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39563702
That's not true, she's never been a fan of idol music, plus I don't think she cares for the outfits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560280
>>39564933
>>39572779
What sort of redditor actually puts 'kek' in their posts?
More than you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39563641
Check out her actual VA work, she doesn't try as Kronii.

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>>39575404
This was also during a period where she was in process of getting a new manager because her old one, aka the one she bitched about being deadweight during the whole member stream, had a track record of being inattentive towards her needs for a while to the point where in her words "she felt like an indie." She was also really annoyed that she put in a permission request for a game a while back but only found out she could play it because one of the homos played it the day before and apparently put in the request more recently and got a quicker response.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39575476
She doesn't hate her co-workers and she's indifferent towards Kronies.

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>>39568908
>I don't really interact with the guys on twitter
How the fuck did retards hear "I won't ever interact with them" from that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39576460
Did you watch it until the end?

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>>39558737
Vtuber industry isn't all GFE though. Parasocial yeah, but not GFE schizo simulator.
Either way she did nothing wrong, you're all just a bunch of vindictive faggots because she wouldn't kneel to your unreasonable demands.

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>>39558737
The root problem is that Kronii didn't sign up to hololive expecting to get a coomer bait model. She could use a laptop prop to hide behind so in some ways she had more options than Ina did with her main outfit but that doesn't really solve the problem. I do wonder why Kronii's new outfit seems to be getting delayed more than the other council members and after IRyS was able to get a redesign I have the feeling that Kronii might be asking for that as well.

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>>39576542
Yes, and nowhere in that clip does she say that she WON'T interact with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39577558
>woman decides to do whatever she wants with her content
YASS SLAY QUEEN
>some viewers decide to respond however they want to said decision
NOOOO YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING

I am in favor of talent freedom but it has to go both ways. If the vtuber is free, the fans should also be free to absolutely shit on the vtuber however they like if she does something they don't enjoy, on an individual basis even. They are already hiding behind an anime avatar, the least they can do is to take responsibility for their actions and face consequences. You think so backlash is unfair? Tough shit, maybe next time go flip burgers for 1 superchat/hour instead of trying to become an internet personality.

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>>39558737
Cope and seethe?

[Anonymous No.]

I hope she sees this faggy circle jerk so she can complain about it next time she can get tempus to pay attention to her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560280
how many times does that make it now? 3? 4? all her 'leveling' attempts either go ignored or backfire; Either her namefaggots go wild or she reneges on her end of the deal like all those rewards & streams she promised
>>39577725
>She can't even kayfabe
The model should have gone to someone not a puritanical alphabet lesbo

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>>39569809
>Reiterates multiple times that she doesn't understand why people got angry
>Tries to ask her chat full of yesmen instead of any of her coworkers (even though she was under the impression that Gura said she wouldn't collab with Tempus to avoid all the headache that would bring)
>After thinking she understands the reason people got angry, goes right back to saying the same shit she was saying before
>All the while handwaving the comments telling her that it's better to not insist on this topic
This woman is too stupid to empathize with.

[Anonymous No.]

I only care about Kronii's massive fucking breasts and she should center more streams around her enormous perfect gazongas. Her melons should be in full display at all times. In fact, it would be preferable if Kronii streams were led by fat talking tits front and center and the rest of her can be obscured off camera. Kronii is boobs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39558737
Clearly you don't know what idol culture is, either. Idols can still talk to men (otherwise they wouldn't be able to appear on any variety or talk show with a male host), they just can't date them.

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>>39580857
>"I know the reason they are made is not reasonable, and they know it too, but I kinda get it"
lmao how do people think she is dumb and not in bad faith is beyond me. Went in pretending to be interested in the reason she got backlash even though she knew it perfectly well, read a couple of well written actual criticism of male female collabs in the vtuber setting and just said "yeah, it's not reasonable" without explaining why she thinks that way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39582433
Scizo brain, plz understand

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>>39582614
Also she kept spinning her wheels trying to defend the "coincidence" of her missing schedule exactly when she was supposed to collab with the homos, in the middle of the shitstorm.
>"I swear it was an honest mistake, I did not try to hide it, I forgot my hololive phone etc..."
Regardless of which side of the fence people were at the time, not releasing the schedule with homos was bad optics

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>>39558737
>>39582614
some parts of the whole debacle show that she was, in fact, unaware of some aspects of this industry, or how her actions would come off. if it was just malice, she wouldn't have tried to debate as much, or repeatedly changed her mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39559998
She applied because her two best indie friends applied. They were/are much bigger fans of Hololive then she ever was. It's like the Milky and Mori situation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39584299
Yeah, the only thing that could be interpreted as malice was the unicorn costume for the worms collab, that's it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39582614
The problem is she was always a fence sitter on this issue. Of the four girls who do Tempus collabs she was the only one who didn't acknowledge them when they debuted, she allegedly hit it off with Vesper over Discord and warmed-up to the idea of collabing with the boys after that. There's other stuff like on her two week break it seems like she talked with all the EN girls about this, almost as if there was a competition to convert her to their team. When she announced her decision, Calli was celebrating on her roommate account.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39582114
Based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39582614
Because, she didn't get it. If she did she'd understand why only 4 of the 10 EN girls do those collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39582614
She used a K-drama example after this of when a new character is added and it kind of ruins the viewing experience, so she kind of understands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39584444
Were her friends better streamers/more suited to Hololive than her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39585050
To be fair, at least if I remember correctly, that tweet was made so long after the Kronii tweet dunking on her fans that it was probably just a coincidence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39584299
But she never changed her mind. She always despised unicorns but did not believe they were in her audience and also paying her bills until she got pushback.

She left things as vague as possible on purpose, only after she tested the waters, got backlash and also got bitter about her audience, she stopped sitting on the fence and took the homobeggar side out of spite. In the breakfast members stream she literally said she won't interact with the homos on twitter only to soon after retweet noir's underwear. That's because she felt she could "own the incels" and this went on until Vesper collab, which is uploaded on her channel, something she said was not going to do for male collabs. She thought she was going to "win" this and only then her true colors came out. Straight up evil.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39562109
>business collab
unlike literally every other collab they do? its their job, and they are streaming with other people doing their jobs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39560737
underrated post. imposter syndrome made her eager to please. she was too retarded to tardwrangle her chat (reminder that Pochi has one of the most well behaved chats).
and then, she just... didn't stream, filtering out the casuals and leaving only the most hardcore parasocials.
if she knew what she was doing, she would've prepped her audience for homocollabs like Bae did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39589136
The prepping for males is a bit of an unfair expectation from the girls that don’t speak Japanese or speak it well. Bae speaks Japanese and her oshi is Roberu so naturally it was in her best interest to be transparent about wanting to collab with StarsJP. Expecting the rest of the girls to do the same for a nonexistent StarsEN when they were still not even a consideration is a bit much.

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>>39589982
Watson did it. She never hid the fact that Shien was her StarsJP oshi. Not to mention Kronii collabed with HoloJP members a couple of times, so it's not like the language barrier was that much of a problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39590091
I keep forgetting about Ame wanting the Bossu knot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39587986
No, since they didn't get in. One, is a low 3 view and the other is barely a 2 view. There's things that they are better at, but Kronii has more overall talent and skills than them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39590234
Yeap. People confused about her collabing with Tempus were never her fans because she was always clearly pro unity and never hid her lust for Shien, but I don't know why she never collabed with StarsJP before when she had quite a few collabs with HoloJP. Kronii never ever mentioned StarsJP on her streams before Tempus' debut, so in her case it came out of nowhere and if you went back to discussions about who would collab with StarsEN nobody ever guesses that Kronii would be one of them. It was always Rrat, Mori, Watson, some people guesses Mumei because of that gartic phone collab she had early in the year, others said Ina because she drew Shien back in the day and appeared in the PSONGS promo HoloGra and a few were certain that Kiara would collab with them because I don't know, they still think Kiara is the antichrist or something.

>>39590435
That's not a measure of anything when fucking Sana has hired and she barely even had a streaming career before Hololive. Also Kronii might have more talent overall but she barely uses it when her streaming schedule is completely scattered and she barely did any VA work after debut considering her roommate. It still pisses me off that the whole Ministry bit was them using voice modulation when both Rrat and Kronii have shown in the past to be able to do deeper, more male-like voices.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39559932
And if all could’ve been avoided if she at least stuck what she said before “I’ll only interact with men when a girl invites me to a collab”.

I know it’s not what retards here like it but it was the best compromise with management and homos.

But they won, she caved and the “I’ll stream with who I want tweet came”.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39588876
She probably didn't know about the term 'unicorns,' but she knew she had fans who were against male collabs, a lot of fans wanted her to address the issue during her 1st year anniversary stream, but she avoided the subject.

I still maintain that if she didn't hit it off with Vesper over discord, she would've still been on team no male collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39590865
>She probably didn't know about the term 'unicorns,'
She did. Called them out in specific during the members stream posted in this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39590748
Sana had singing experience, was arguably the best gamer in EN, professional artist, N4 level Japanese and Sanalites (not me) liked her personality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39591151
>singing experience
Roru, rumao even. Ignoring that being the best gamer meant shit when she barely streamed and was more interesting in playing chink gacha, being a pro artists meant shit when she did like 4 art streams during her entire time with Hololive and knowing Japanese meant shit when, again, she barely streamed. Sana was not a streamer, had no goal with Hololive and would never go trough the normal audition process if it wasn't for her friendship with Ina. I won't deny the last part because the little I watched she had a nice personality and her streams were fun, when they fucking happened, but it's pure cope to say her slot wasn't completely wasted on her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39591789
I'm listing reasons why she passed the audition, at no point have or will I ever defend her behaviour. Her wasted potential and her wasting everyone else's time in EN, still bothers me 6 months later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39569809
Based Gabe