/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Why did the Tempus and Myth/Council collabing suddenly stop? Was it because of Vesper's suspension or was it something before that? Most people seemed fine with it (not here obviously)

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346537
its because Vesper bought a spear

[Anonymous No.]

collabs stopped because whilst some were fine with it a significant number weren't and an even larger number just stopped watching the girls. Cover knows which side their bread is buttered and put a temporary halt. This is what caused vesper to sperg and get suspended. They may allow some girls occasional collabs with them in the future- a sort of designate slut like towa or Matsuri but most are going to be prevented and no more big collabs like worms. At least 1 tempus will graduate within the year

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346750
So he's been the mastermind behind every major yab of the past 3 years? I believe it

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346998
That worms tournament was some of the most fun I've had watching Hololive desu

[Anonymous No.]

Don't know but I'm glad they did
Tempus love, w*men hate

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346537
same reason holoX doesn't collab as often with holoEN as before, it's not a novelty. doesn't mean they won't do it again but don't exactly expect it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39347140
Worms collab was actual kino.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346537
All the sperging out and all people had to do was wait and things would be back to normal.

[Anonymous No.]

Probably decided it was the best for everyone, even then Mori will probably still do the occasional collab but I think both sides came together than said the environment created from collabs was more trouble than it was worth

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe they finally realized how much they were hurting the girls' channels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39347140
i thought it was really boring, may be because i tend to tryhard in that game tho.
and they didn't play the good version of the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39347171
This is a good point

[Anonymous No.]

>>39347281
>Mori
don't care

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346537
Tempus looked at the drama and realized how much of a stupid backstabbers the girls where so they dropped them and choosed the idol path. Most of them ignore them now but Altare actively tells the holobeggars in chat to fuck off and admitted to reject Mori's Collab invitation while calling her a fat bitch in the process.

[Anonymous No.]

Numbers

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>>39346537
Why are you concerned about that? Holostar doesn't collab with hololive anymore, isn't this what this board wants?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346537
because they probably realized how much shit some of the girls got for it. The girls should have realized it themselves but since they are women they have no braincells so the males probably realized it and adjusted accordingly

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>>39348130
I want more Holostar collabs for the girls to BTFO incels and unicorns. The drama/rage threads are great too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39348130
I am one of the few around here that really enjoyed those streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346537
Unironically because it was hurting everyone. Turns out people who want to watch homos don't want to watch girls and vise versa. Homos are going to have to leech off of other homos to incline.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39348411
rent free

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>>39346537
Because they got sick of collab beggars like (You)

[Anonymous No.]

>>39347140
Same. I actually really do hope they bring back next year like they said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346998
The Bae and Kronii collabs with Vesper were fun, but I watch Vesper a lot more than Bae and I don't watch Kronii at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39348774
Keep posting, don't let the flame die

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346750
Scouting Calliope for a boat hunt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346998
I thought ONLY /vt/ didn't like them?

[Anonymous No.]

God dramafaggots are an absolute waste of oxygen I swear
>Some of the girls will do your typical welcome collabs, this happens even with a new female gen as well. Stop overreacting.
>NOOOOOOO IT'S NON STOP WEEKLY MALE COLLABS FROM ON NOW HOLOLIVE IS RUINED FOREVER YOU DON'T SEE IT THEY ARE GOING TO FUCK MY OSHI AAAAHHH
It literally goes as expected, one 1 on 1 collab per member that was interested, 2 or 3 group ones, and that's it. The girls that wanted none of that didn't even collab nor were even mentioned.
>W-why did they stop now !?!? Where is my drama?!!?
Retards

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346998
>significant
You mean just /vt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>39349690
This but you know how /vt/ is. We've got underaged, gossip girls looking to milk something for entertainment other than watching the streams themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39349690
This.

I hate 90% of posters here, with the exception of anons like the one I'm replying to who actually arent sub70 IQ, gossip fags, or unicorntrannies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39349690
Kronii lost all of /vt/ good will because of this shit. She is now one of the most hated vtubers /here/

[Anonymous No.]

>>39347171
Basically this.
Youtube content of any sort thrives on novelty. Streaming also is heavily reliant on it.
Get into a pattern and keep doing the same thing constantly and the views die.
But at the same time the algorithm demands consistency.

They can't keep doing collabs with the girls because it stops being a novelty for either channel. Which makes viewers go "this is boring"
Plus the tempus boys are still fairly new and have yet to fully find their groove. You don't want to get too heavily pigeonholed into collabs as your thing. Especially you don't want the youtube algorithm to think thats your main thing as it may start ignoring your other streams/videos.

While I doubt the drama on places like /vt/ drove the decision. They will have been taken into account, if only because Cover doesn't want another Coco situation.

>>39349690
This too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39350540
*cums on you*

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346537
The majority of vtuber watchers want to see cute girls. Trying to mix audiences can only lead to audience drama, lower turnout as we saw with tempiss collabs and often with nijien. Even women do prefer the guys to stick to guys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39350877
Fuck off, people were calling her a man-hating dyke for a year leading up to that point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39352075
Meant for >>39350610

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>>39346537
ID still show up in their chat frequently even Anya was chatting with vesper the other day
>Council/Myth
Oh you mean the Hololive branch that barely streams? Yeah wonder why there's no collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346998
>a significant number weren't
You mean like 12 people

>an even larger number just stopped watching the girls
The girls numbers were not affected by collabing with the Stars, as much as some on /vt/ want to pretend

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346537
They only collabed in the first place to give the new branch a leg up in the beginning. Now the training wheels are off.

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>>39350610
As if this asylum has any influence outside. You faggots are mentally deranged.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39348327
>how much shit some of the girls got for it
and handful of retarded comment? They didn't get much for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39348948
It is only /vt/ that didn't like them

[Anonymous No.]

Same reason like any others who stop collabing after some times.

[Anonymous No.]

Paypiggies were getting mad and commiting suicide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346998
The part of knowing which side their bread is buttered is a reasonable opinion. The deeper people are into the parasocial relationship (Unicorns), the more they spend and it's significantly more than the moderate fans.
I would say this is the case for a lot of the non-vocal fanbase. It amazes me how people try to dispute idol culture when the numbers paint the picture so vividly

[Anonymous No.]

>>39348948
Majority of HoloFans are the silent majority
They dont express their discontent in fear of losing "good boi internet points"
They just silently moves on (either goes to other chubba or just quit watching vtubers)
>This might be the reason theres a large recline in vtubing scene, a fire starter if I may say...

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>>39353075
What does that make you? You're in this asylum despite there being alternative places to talk about this hobby that aren't as offensive to you

[Anonymous No.]

No one fucking knows, much less a fucking basement dwelling schizo on blue /r9k/.
The only thing that seems closely credible is that when Vesper got suspended by JP management (suspected because Axel mentioned JP management has tried meddling with Tempus in the past, plus new Stars manager), they may have not said shit as to why he was suspended and all the plans were canned by management during that period. Vesper made an off hand comment he was supposed to do something with Risu (yea yea, HoloID, suck my dick) before he was suspended but would revisit it later.

The girls are still showing up in Tempus' chat so there is probably not a new ban, but JP may have gone full autismo on EN as a whole during the Vesper suspension.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39354116
There actually isn't any good site to talk about vtubers anymore, reddit sucks, twitter sucks, facebook sucks, 4chan sucks, iketog sucks, KF sucks and the new forum sucks too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39353989
I agree with this but there's also the route of going back to the chuuba in question because their interpretation of the issues aren't offensive enough. But they suffer with incessant worry now and then, likely waiting for more solid foundation to leave for good. Or stay

[Anonymous No.]

>>39354299
>JP may have gone full autismo on EN
Good! Time to correct EN

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>>39353420
This is the only board where it's vocalized, maybe. However, most fans just silently leave, so you have to look at the numbers for the real story. The girls numbers were affected (nothing like unicorns pretend), but it's there, it's mostly reflected in subscrpition growth rate, which affected Mori and Kronii the most. Also, Kronii has at least 1k less viewers than she had pre-tempus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39354462
>Time to correct EN
in the same VOD, Axel said he let JP management take full control of his content and his numbers and supas plummeted to the point the EN director (Japanese man btw) told Axel to ignore them and do whatever he wanted.
So no, they aren't exactly helping. You can even make the implication that JP Management have been the ones railroading Gura's content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346537
I'm a big fan of all four of them, and I have zero problem with this. I'm an open misogynist, and the boys content among themselves is vastly superior to any collabs outside of the crew. I find the girls to be annoying, since I can't get into parasocial unicorning them, so all I'm left with is their subpar gaming skills and lackluster senses of humor. If we had global IDs you could check my post history all the way back to the earliest /MANS/ threads and see I've been consistent on this the whole time. I think the unicorns/goslings are absolutely fucked in the head, and really need to get a grip, but I'm genuinely glad they got what they wanted, cause it means less drama, schizos, and shit content.
If you claim to like Tempus, and wanted any different outcome to the current situation, you're a fucking liar. Now get ready for some fucking kino on Friday with DRG.

Also even from an avowed schizo hater, it was obvious they were fucking right that Kronii wanted to flirt with them. No they didn't have female friends, and you were a cunt for even asking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39349690
>W-why did they stop now !?!? Where is my drama?!!?
It's deeper than that, anons are lining up waiting for their turn to be "cucked".

It's mental illness at it's core.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39354299
>JP may have gone full autismo on EN
This is potentially the only shot at saving the branch at this point so I guess we can only hope

[Anonymous No.]

>>39352943
Whatever helps you sleep at night, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39350423
>underaged gossip girls
>underaged girls
UOOOOH
T o T

[Anonymous No.]

>>39354432
How about getting some friends that are into your hobby?
I find that 4chan is a perfect place for unfiltered opinion unlike all the other mediums you mentioned as long as you can take it

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>>39354590
His numbers plummeted because the initial hype of Tempus wore off and people realized Axel is the least impressive of the four. His "EN Director" can cope all he wants, but there's just really not that much demand for a streamer like Axel in the Holo fanbase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39354590
thats because theyre relying too much on the girls to gain clout
and as soon as the girls clout cut off, they have nothing to showcase themselves and the people just leaves
>simple as is

[Anonymous No.]

>>39352943
>The girls numbers were not affected

[Anonymous No.]

>>39354590
People don’t want to watch an apexbot play at JP hours when there’s 30 other streams going on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39354590

Axels lack of filter is funny, he actually had to nuke the VOD due to this

[Anonymous No.]

>>39352943
>numbers dont lie like your imaginary friend

[Anonymous No.]

>>39354787
His number goes up from 900-1k to 1k-1k7 after he decided to ignore them. What's up with that ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39354299
>JP management has tried meddling with Tempus in the past
Good, maybe they can fix the retards and make them act like actual Holostars instead of being the embarrassments they are now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39354921
oh yea, VOD got deleted because he spilled the beans too hard that time around.

Point being is that trusting JP to "save" HoloEN is misguided when their attempt to mess with Tempus hurt Axel by not letting him be unhinged himbo machine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346537
It's just a coincidence. The girls numbers coincidentally started tanking hard, and the collabs coincidentally completely stopped by coincidence. The branch is a shadow of its peak influence but that's coincidental. Everybody really liked the collabs except for a few chudcels around here.

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>>39354602
I wonder what made Kronii stop doing that shit, don’t think she’s interacted with them in anyway since around the game show collab. From what I’ve seen Kroniies post, she’s back to being parasocial in her members only.

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>>39355021
Give me a timeframe anon. Looking at his graphs everything you've just said is completely fabricated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355021
Anon the voices in your head won't help your case...

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346537
Because it stopped making money and just made a failing situation worst. Collabing with the guys would of been fine since it wasn't every girl. But the problem is some girls (Mori and Kronii) did it too fucking much in a short amount of time, some antagonized their fans (Kronii and Ame) which made several people that would of been neutral turn anti collab just out of spite, and it led to trolls and twitter users to show up in the streams solo to incite drama and attack the "unicorns".
It was a huge shit fest and in terms of growing both channels failed, at that point it was better to just do any collab you want offline as mentioned by other anons those girls still go to their streams but now it isn't being pushed to the surface so much.
Normally I would blame Mori but to be honest the biggest offender for this is Kronii.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39347171
>>39350877
The fuck are you retards talking about? No collabs with HoloX or tempus became so common that they could be considered a "pattern."

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355022
>>39354787
>forgets to read that JP "helping" Tempus hurt one of them
>thinks JP can save all the EN girls
the amount of selective reading in this thread is astounding.
>>39354910
You clearly haven't been watching him lately, he only plays Apex once a week on stream with RPR and the rest of the time he is playing VN's being an unhinged schizo with no filter (and gets decent viewership too)

[Anonymous No.]

>>39354116 >>>>>39354432
>>39354712
lol.

[Anonymous No.]

I remember irys talking about a meeting she did not have to be, just before her vacation.
It was just before november started. Bae, mori and the boys were there. They did not collab after that and even ame stoped streaming.
Something must have happened.

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>>39355333
>the biggest offender for this is Kronii
The membership stream, into the break, into the one-two punch of the Kronii and management scolding tweets was what fatally damaged the situation.
Everything was stable, there was some grumbling but nothing too catastrophic, and that chain of events blew everything up like a controlled demolition.

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>>39355398
>>thinks JP can save all the EN girls
Where did I mention the girls anon?
>>forgets to read that JP "helping" Tempus hurt one of them
Still no proof of this claim you've made.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355333
Kronii fucked up so hard she needed corporate to back her up when she ignored her managers advice to ignore the retards who were screeching.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355398
He streams at a better time slot now and literally gets the same borderline 3view viewership if it's not COMPLETELY wide open. I think you just need to accept that Tempus' problem is there really aren't that many people that want them (with Vesper being the exception because he was wise enough to build up an actual personality with his early solo streams, instead of spamming collabs).

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346998
So Unicorns won and Kronii lost?

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>>39355398
>forgets to read that JP "helping" Tempus hurt one of them
JP management probably isn't trying to "help" tempus dude. They're trying to stop the hemorrhage on the actually profitable girl's branch. The dudes were causing like 30-40% damage to the girl's numbers to incline their own by... 0%.

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>>39355174
She just did two birthday call-ins and that's it. She has zero Twitter interactions, ignores any SC that mentions them, even didn't play along when Bae name dropped Roberu. I'm not naive to believe she'll never collab again, but her content has been amazing since the collabs stopped and that's good enough for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355577
pretty much, this is business after all
>corpos/indies listen to money

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355591
This is a good way of putting it. It's really not a coincidence that the four people with the highest viewership are Gura, Fauna, IRyS, Mumei in that order.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355591
source: my pubes

[Anonymous No.]

>>39349690
>>39350423
>>39350540
>>39350610
>>39350877
>>39354603
>all this reddit-tier circlejerking over le ebil unicorn boogeymen who in reality just want to enjoy the CGDCT content that hololive has been providing for years
Hmmm, if only there was another company out there that routinely did coed collabs for you drama starved shipper trannies to watch instead of the company known for its cgdct content....

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355591
They should just disband Tempus IMO, they bring too little to the table other than the recline of both ENGirls and Tempus

[Anonymous No.]

>>39354787
He's Male Kiara, he absolutely has a place in holopro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355793
no need to disband them as long as they stay in their corner and behave. Which they seem to now be doing.
If they had just done it from the start, they'd probably still have "brotuber" crossover fans that left them after the girl collab situation became so out of control and negative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355793
And it's not like they have any chance of inclining. The twitter account promoted Axel and his groupies' song more times than they've promoted IRyS' music total and it still got beat by a Kiara cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39347352
unless en management are bunch of idiot, i dont understand they realized that later after 2 years on the market

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355572
Vesper did collabs right.
His collabs were always character collabs and not collabs that were meant to show something as intangible as chemistry or unity like Mori or Ame tries to do.
It was boomer versus zoomer, boomer versus doomer, boomer versus literal child.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355347
i didn't mention anything about a pattern.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355859
Vesper is male Kiara if you're referring to the "people like their zatsu" aspect. Axel is a yab machine fuckboy with pretty clear ulterior motives in joining Holostars.

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>>39355986
And he was rewarded for it! He focused on building an actual brand instead of partaking in Ame and Kronii's "hurr durr own the incels" parade.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355964
>Have a product with an extremely unique feature that sells like fucking mad (idolshit/cgdct)
>See competitor who has product that is somewhat successful, but not AS successful as yours (NijiEN male/female collabs and drama)
>Imitate your less successful competitor and throw away your big moat and market advantage
how did this happen, what kind of "businessman" would have made these choices?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355686
>kronii had that weird back and forth arc where she alienated some viewers
>in the end has to go back to normal
thats tough

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355996
everyone but maybe vesper had ulterior motives. People knew from the start magni goal was to get his friends a chance to collab with the girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39356084
Most of EN's managers are failed applicants that got offered management positions instead of streamer positions. It makes much more sense when you realize that most of the people making decisions for EN have literally no business background whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39356123
>everyone but maybe vesper had ulterior motives
Oh.. anon.... you know the saying....
"Beware of the silent one as theyre the most dangerous of them all"

[Anonymous No.]

>>39356123
Yeah Magni often rubs me the wrong way too. I think Regis is better but also gives off that "assimilate my Twitch friend group" aura, just not as bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39356123
>People knew from the start magni goal was to get his friends a chance to collab with the girls
I dont watch the homos, whats this referring to?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39354554
>it's mostly reflected in subscription growth rate
That's everyone that's not Kobo in Hololive

>Kronii has at least 1k less viewers than she had pre-tempus

She legit is pulling what she have for the past 9 months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39356242
I'd often agree with you but he put in a lot of work to get to this position, much more than the other three combined. I really feel like he's the vtuber equivalent of "I Just wanna grill for God's sake"

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355433
Based JP interventionism? Ame so upset she ate a whole loaf of bread to avoid streaming? Lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>39356323
This is absolutely false. In fact I would bet if you mirrored Fauna and Kronii's viewership charts over the past year, they'd be like an inverse mirror of eachother.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355986
Bae and Vesper did it right I think. Ame went out of her way to antagonize her fanbase for no reason and that duet stunt she pulled in her karaoke pissed off Altare. Mori is Mori and Kronii annoyed people by finally starting to be proactive when it came to helping Vesper.

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>>39356324
This is probably his last shot at relevancy and a career in streaming entertainment, his one big break. He has more to lose than a bunch of young men with their entire lives ahead of them who don't even know how to value what they have

[Anonymous No.]

>>39354602
Kronii is gay, anon. She likes being treated like one of the boys with whom she has zero sexual or romantic attraction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355760
>unicorn
Huh? My post is about dramafaggots it has nothing to do with unicorns or gachikois. Of course having eternal weekly male collabs would be a bad thing, I never stated otherwise. But it was obviously not going to happen, and I had to endure 3 months of unnecessary dramafaggotry and shittier than average threads for that stupid reason.

[Anonymous No.]

Mori stopped collabing with anyone because of the album crunch, a bunch of people got sick and busy.

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>>39356287
Magni is apart of the OTV and Saruei friend group. This specific group has connections to vshojo and OTK group. Taken further. OTV has Sykkuno who has been spoiling for a chance to collab with Gura for years with vshojos Ironmouse recently saying she could get him a chance but back tracking when people said she didn't know Gura. She was likely referring to the fact that now that her group is close to Mori and Magni now being apart of Holostars they could try to get Gura to collab with him.
He has done collabs with some of these people already but it seems like it fell through with how Gura has been acting.

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>>39356084
lets be real, en starting their move after they saw kobo getting so close with bunch of male fleshtuber and later raegis, en thought they can replicate their woke movement, they forgot that kobo can always hide behind her kusogaki little sister image and backed up by big degen fleshtuber on her early days

[Anonymous No.]

>>39356777
Gura probably put anyone who replied to HER tweet on the perma shitlist (which includes mouse)

[Anonymous No.]

>>39347140
>t. doesn't watch holojp
>>39354602
Based homo enjoyer. You may be a faggot but at least you understand how same-sex interactions are way more entertaining than mixed ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355793
They're more succesful than ID, they aren't going anywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

The amount of coping is amazing lmao
Unfortunately it's true JP management was the one who put a stop to Omega homos shilling campaign.

No once a week collab with the girls, no appearance on girls chat, no free Niji collab, and no more random twitchfag collab either.
The homos are put to grow by themselves, unless they can do that, the main branch won't increase Omega's budget. Heck the homos 2nd audition will be a wreck if they can't get proper funds from Cover.

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>>39346537
It shouldn't have stopped. The sacrifice of those labeled 'not true fans' ended up being a waste. They didn't allow time to attract those that aren't repulsed by such collabs. It's as if admitting it was all a mistake.
Gura would have done better at it, not that she would want to. She'd just ghost those that she doesn't agree with, instead of giving them the entitled attention they think they deserve. It's better than 'fixing' them, or pushing away.

[Anonymous No.]

Here we go again:

>Vesper suspension
>Over half of the girls was sick
>Holiday break for most of them

Now fuck off and watch streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39356084
You might be underestimating how retarded Japanese businessmen can be.
>we have all the viewers, but we can have more! let's steal nijiEN's viewers too!
>wait all these mixed gender collabs didn't work and now our numbers are falling too, how could this happen? the plan was supposed to be infallible! clearly the viewers must be the problem we can never do any wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357034
They had to do two separate reminders for the OG auditions just to be able to find four decent enough applicants.
Just imagine how difficult it's gonna be this time lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357107
>A certain someone's cat died
>Vesper went to christmas holiday

[Anonymous No.]

>>39356606
Kronii isn’t gay, they like girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357107
>>39357221

Been going on a lot longer than that but nice try homo-copers

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357221
I can't believe he killed Kronii's cat. So that's why he bought that spear...

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355996
Kiara was hated when MYTH debuted, for exactly the same reasons as Axel. ESL, couldn't keep their mouth shut, shitty opsec, annoying voice etc...

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357252
>Kronii isn’t gay
Sometimes...

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355664
Once bitten, twice shy. I imagine it will be a long time before her reputation is rebuilt after her retarded handling of everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357180
Nah, first thing they will recruit is someone with a lot of musical background or channels like Axel.

That Hatsune Miku Cover that Ina begged so long for her 1 mil reward was easily realized by him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357358
Ahhh okay that makes more sense and yeah is agreeable. Hopefully he mellows as Kiara has in that case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355760
>Hmmm, if only there was another company out there that routinely did coed collabs for you drama starved shipper trannies to watch instead of the company known for its cgdct content....
There is, and yet mindbroken drones go there and push their twisted idea of what a vtuber should be.
See: Catalog

[Anonymous No.]

>>39356323
No, i'm a kronie that watches streams. She'd be getting at least 1k more viewers per stream if that Tempus arc never happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355793
That would be dumb, they've already debuted them and eaten the cost in monetary terms both for their models and such as well as for the fallout of all the dumb shit they did. What they should have done it handled them better and taken more time to get good talents instead of rushing it like they did, ending the collab ban SPECIFICALLY for the girls, and then allowed the collab spam that not only killed a lot of the girls audience but blunted Tempus' momentum with drama at the same time. At this point so long as they're not a net negative in terms of money and they don't allow them to massively fuck up anymore like they did before they'll work out as a concept. If they let them keep running rampant and ruining shit as well as getting jerked around by people like Ame or Mori then that's just about the only real good reason to abort the whole of them. Overall they've so far been an actual net negative for the entire EN branch single handedly, but graduating them at this stage would only increase that negative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357504
Say... tIsn't that what you're doing right now? Nijishithead posting on Holo discussion

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357467
I will never support or watch Kroni in any capacity ever again for how much of a retard she was handling her collab arc. I get that she’s got some tranny energy or whatever in her, she’s not all there all the time, but that was just bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357034
Source? I see an Axel stream being talked as a lead but I’d imagine someone would’ve made a streamable if it was true (I only care about Vesper other than that I watch Holo).

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357264
>Been going on a lot longer than that but nice try homo-copers
They just had that Mario Party collab with Mori and Kronii, just before Vesper was suspended.

Also
>planned collabs with StarsJP
>in the middle of a D&D collab
>in the middle of a pokemon collab
>Mori was planning a pokemon tournament
Vesper's suspension messed up most of those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39356434
>hag(male)

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357641
I’m for It. Sounds like a worth trade for me. Tempus no longer exists, the girls who wanted to play with the new toys fall into a deeper depression, and stream less. There is no losing here for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39356393
Yes, a lot of casual Kronii viewers moved to Fauna that's where the missing 1k went.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357689
Mori's pokemon tournament with the boys was cancelled because one of them decided to just make their own with Holostars JP. Also the Mario Party collab was over two months ago...

[Anonymous No.]

>>39356777
>Saruei
Gross.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357833
This is true lol, i've been waiting patiently since Ame dropped her first ASMR 2 years ago, and since then, whenever someone on chat brings up ASMR topic she will brush it off or avoid it.

Now she openly wants to give it a try, talk about desperate lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>39354871
>>39354948
>>39354655

True, numbers don't lie, and if you did in fact watch them you would know there numbers haven't changed in well over a year for Myth and over 10 mounts for Council.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39350610
and the bitch deserves all the hate. you can't just shit on your own fans and get away with it. her graduation will be a net positive for Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>39356966
They're behind Kaela and Kobo, who are the new gold standard in indo vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358052
Anon...

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357358
Also terrible in collabs.
The same could all be applied to Moona as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358052
My dude you realize your claims are easily checkable yes? I get that you enjoy the pro-homo 'vibes' but those aren't evidence...

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357896
That's still in line with the usual collab frequency. They don't collab as often as you guys are lead to think. They have collabs within their own gen and IDs too. It's not all just HololiveEN collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357689
the reason mori's tournament wasn't going to have one of the members for sure anyway and the mario party collab happened several weeks ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>39352943
I know lot of people hate numberfag, and well i guess i understand why, it don't let you be this delusional. Saddly for you, cover and hololive have reality to deal with so they did what they needed to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358196
Now this is a cope and a half jesus. Up until their final collab they did not go more than 2 weeks without a co-ed collab.

[Anonymous No.]

One thing for certain I don't think Ame will want to collab again after the sex shit Axel is doing with "Ame-chan" in his game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39348327
>The girls should have realized it themselves but since they are women they have no braincells so the males probably realized it and adjusted accordingly
I'm pretty sure this is what happen, probably some of them like Mori and Kronii were so stuborn and high on their horse thinking that they would do it without giving a shit about what the Unicorns think just cuz of their pride and ego without realising that that would fuck everyone up

[Anonymous No.]

>seethe when males collab
>seethe when no males collab
what the hell is wrong with (you)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358340
>seethe when males collab
thats unicorns
>seethe when no males collab
thats homos

Cant comprehend or just retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358196
Well to be honest, a month ago when ID suddenly spammed OW2 streams, I thought Ollie is preparing big OW2 collab with Tempus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358304
He's really been trying to go the Kyo route huh. Too bad for him not even Ame hates her fans as much as Enna.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357833
It damages the image of the entire branch anon. Whether you like it or not what one employee does affects the others in a lesser ripple effect, that's why they're supposed to be mature and responsible with their actions. If a entire gen, the first of their branch at that get completely wiped out and a decent portion of the girls get bummed out about it, stream EVEN LESS then they have been, and bring a general negative mood to the whole branch with it, it would only further drive viewers away. The only way there's no losing for you is if you don't watch any ENs to begin with, in which case there's no winning for you either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358407
none of them seem to like OW2

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358304
He's found that the only way to keep his numbers in the quadruple digits is to start drama and bait hetero ships. Though to be fair he's been pretty clearly baiting hetero ships for a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39356084
>"businessman"
Businesswoman probably.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358533
I would rather the girls be depressed and stream even less than have a potential time loop back to the collab ban lift.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358044
What’s up with that anyways, she spent a whole year and a half calling ASMR low quality cringe content and now she’s suddenly excited to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

No one in this thread is right

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358084
You should improve yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358862
nice try to deflect there homoFAG!

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358854
She’s just finally realizing that she doesn’t want to provide anything more than low effort cringe content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358963
take this, walk it off

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358854
Regis taught her some ASMR tricks during her break

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358862
>>39358963
>>39359040
This feels scripted lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357689
Mario Party October 13. Vesper suspension was in November.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39359112
Pfft, anon the blue homo holds a big grudge against Ame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39359344
Those two retards deserve eachother.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358323
Kronii getting mods was the key to getting her to stop doing male collabs and streaming her pov again/more often.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357467
Her core ride-or-die fanbase barely changed after that arc, it's arguably stronger than ever. It's mostly casuals or the fans of the other girls who stopped watching her.

[Anonymous No.]

My ratt: EN Management saw that the girls were dropping numbers after Tempus debuted and and concluded that it would be way safer if they banned holo-star collabs. Vesper got angry that he couldn't Collab with Kronii anymore and started arguing with Management, that's why he was suspended.

[Anonymous No.]

You know what
I blame mori for all of this

[Anonymous No.]

>>39361003
Vesper's temper shit is 100% perms based. All collabs were initiated by the girls. No doubt the boys were workshopped on not approaching first like their JP senpai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39361003
Nah, pretty much everyone agrees that Vesper got pissed at management for fucking-up his perms. Kronii has nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39361157
True, but Vesper got angry not only because he couldn't Collab with Kronii, but also because Kronii couldn't Collab with the boys. Remember when Cover released that statement where they said that any girl has freedom to decide who she can Collab with, Vesper called them out on this and management wanted to shut him up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346537
Gee I wonder why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39354462
>correct EN
we are facing the worst no streaming crisis of the year right now if JPs is causing this they are doing a shit work

[Anonymous No.]

>>39347171
This probably means it will be a while until we see another HoloEN and NijiEN collab

[Anonymous No.]

>>39361357
Dumb rrat. Kronii has looked perfectly comfortable and happy since she stopped doing male collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357833
>Cover should be actively damaging the brand more than they are to satisfy my (your) ego
Truly some top-tier business acumen on this board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39361468
ay dios mio

[Anonymous No.]

>>39361581
>Kronii
>happy
Sadly not, Kronii is happiest during collabs, both with holos and stars. Why else would she Collab with Fauna after all this time, she needed to fill the hole that was left when she couldn't Collab with the stars anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39361581
Where's her stream then

[Anonymous No.]

>>39361800
I don’t care about their business, if I had a button that removed tempiss from existence, but also made the girls depressed, and lowered covers bottom line, I’d smash that button. Idgaf if they make less money. It’s not my money, and I’m not a tribal corposhill bootlicker. I don’t care if them all going would damage the brand. In my eyes they’ve Already tried completely giving up their competitive advantage with their unicorns with all the faggot collabs. If they’re retarded enough to let that happen once, it’s going to happen again. So I’m fine with pressing that button.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39349690
cuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>39361979
She rarely does collabs anymore and that collab was 100% Fauna's idea.
She straight-up guilted Kronii into doing it.

Chill indie games are her favourite. She's been spamming them constantly, ever since her debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39362164
Why do you even watch Hololive if you hate corporations and Hololive doesn't want to bow to you, just switch to an indie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355174
after MP collab vesper said in a member stream that he was talking with kronii almost daily and that kind of confirm when kroni inpersonated axel in tempus collab ,it felt like it was planed in the last minute by vesper and her

maybe she doesn't need to beging for collabs if she can talk to him directly now or just it didn't work and both moved on if neither of then want to talk about it why bother I means it's not what unicorns wanted

[Anonymous No.]

>>39362164
>The classic "Im the Main Character of this Planet, I decide whats good or not in this world" retardation

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358407
Apex and Valorat are apparently more appealing to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39362447
? I watch them for the girls and the promise of more girls. Unfortunately all they’ve managed for an entire year is 4 fags, with the promise of more on the way. I don’t have to care about the companies bottom line to like what the company was selling. Now I certainly don’t believe that EN is going to improve, but I can still enjoy what’s left. I also do watch some indies and small corpos. Doesn’t mean I can’t post about Hololive still. Smh tribalfags are some new sort of autistic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39362525
nah whores don't get to write it off that easily like rl, even if the scorned unicorns don't mind anymore I'll keep reminding them, pushing till one side breaks eventually and it'd be glorious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39362539
That upset you faggot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39362673
Nah, I Pity you actually

[Anonymous No.]

>>39348774
Altare and Kronii is collabing now. No matter how much you donate shell never laugh at your jokes, like she did with altare's. Remember that cuck

[Anonymous No.]

inb4 they start up again in january when holidays end and these people will seeth again

[Anonymous No.]

>>39362730
Sure, my Vtubing preferences fill you with pity, lmao retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39362618
I am assuming that you are not paying Cover anything by your previous post so they are technically not selling anything to you and you and you have no right to decide on what should they do. Also cover never promised anything to you, take meds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355664
For the Bae thing, I genuinely think that Kronii has no clue who Roberu is

[Anonymous No.]

>>39362873
This is likely

[Anonymous No.]

>>39357307
he pierced Kroniis pussie with his spear

[Anonymous No.]

>>39362842
Eyeballs, subscriptions and follows, all things that are free, but also benefit Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39362842
I used the word “promise” because of the stars2 auditions being advertised, retard. I never had the right to decide what they should do, idk why you think I ever thought I did, I just said that if I could erase the 4 faggots they wasted a year on I would do it regardless of how it would affect a corporations pockets. Tribal faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39362873
She knows who Bae's oshi is.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't let this thread distract you from the fact that Vesper bought a fucking 7 ft. long boar hunting spear

[Anonymous No.]

>>39363080
So basically you are a schizo that wants to go on a power trip because a company doesn't specifically cater to you, got it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358402
>thats homos
actually they are happy when they do not collab with EN cuz that's prevents /mans/ gets raided by unicorn and shitposter

the most populars ships are with ID and homosJP BTW

[Anonymous No.]

>>39363290
Lmao. Sure, whatever makes you happy, you illiterate turbo sperg. Now keep crunching the numbers and analyzing the impact of male collabs like the totally not schizo number faggot you are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39363183
He's hunting for a hog named Calliope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39363415
You don't know the frist thing about me pal, but you do seem pretty angry so meaby you should calm down a bit adn take a break from /vt/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39363508
You assume me calling you names means I’m angry? When you saw people in your schools as a kid make fun of the retard did they look angry? Or were they having fun? I’m taking the piss on a tribal fag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39363415
I swear nothing makes me hate being a Hololive fan more than knowing I share interests with retards like you.
Enjoy the rest of your miserable life before you end up necking yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39363592
You’ll go first. If this kind of back and forth is too confusing or hard to keep up with. I know a perfect subreddit for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39363751
>If this kind of back and forth is too confusing or hard to keep up with
No, I just love watching morons like you turn into Charlie Kelly at the lightest provocation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39364241
Mmhm. I’m sure

[Anonymous No.]

Y'all are just malding fr.Cover needs to release a mix gender group next for HoloEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39356849
She debuted a couple of weeks after Cover went begging for male applicants on twitter in early March. The rush for StarsEN was 1000% motivated by Luxiem's success, with Kobo maybe being another incentive but not in any way the initial reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39364810
i'd laugh at this board throwing a hissyfit for a hololive mixed gen

[Anonymous No.]

>>39361157
>All collabs were initiated by the girls

Please stop spreading this falsehood. Mori let it slip during a rant that Magni had asked her to be in his commission drawing stream.

[Anonymous No.]

For Ame I'd wait and see what she does after her birthday
She's smart enough to avoid drama before a big payday

[Anonymous No.]

>>39363378
>ID
A scourge to the last.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39363183
>yet another stolen meme repurposed to fit le funi homos xD
God, /mans/ truly is the most creatively bankrupt split on the whole fucking board, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39359040
NTA, can I get a non-cherry flavored soda please? Cherry taste like cough syrup.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39350881
-_-

[Anonymous No.]

>>39347757
Based, I will not watch your homo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39365680
Look, it's not easy for a new fanbase to establish a healthy meme ecosystem. They have to borrow from fanbases that are more established.
Can you please check your meme privilege?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39367440
kek

[Anonymous No.]

Magni showed them THIS and every girl immediately grew fearful of Tempus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39367440
Fucking kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358052
>10 mounts for Council.
All me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39365095
Nah, JP management intervened and co-ed stuff isn't happening anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39365680
It's odd because I see them tote themselves as having the best posters who make the best OC when the only things they churn out are just reskins of preexisting holo memes.
The only original thing Ives seen them do is the altare face thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>39355577
It's a win-win, actually. Kronii is raking in the money and still having fun streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39368500
I don't think she's been having the best time recently anon. The stars are aligned to fuck her over

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346537
>Vesper gets suspended fucking up with collab schedules
>everyone on Myth and Council gets sick after he returns
>Ame and Mori, the ones pushing for collabs, are busy with their own shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358262
>Saddly

[Anonymous No.]

>>39368610
She was having a great time (until her kitten died), but since there haven't been any streams since then, my point stands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39360703

So Cuckold fetishists

[Anonymous No.]

>>39368643
Did you just make a guess based off actual observable information rather than your schizophrenic fantasies? You can't do that on VT

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346998
CCV and overall views for all the girls have dropped. HoloEE is declining due to oversaturation in the competition.

[Anonymous No.]

they fucked and the girls liked it so much that they are trying to convert the remaining seiso ones so they can all have one big orgy

[Anonymous No.]

>>39362873
That's almost as based as when she didn't know that shitty song by Coco. Kronii is so unbelievably based. I wish she'd fully commit and stop the fake "Senpai" shit too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39368796
>Cuck
Sure, if you believe a gay man and a gay woman are into each other like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39368849
Literally none of that is a guess. Those are descriptions of things that literally happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358533
I only watch Phase Connect and indies, people against male collabs abandoning holos is good for my girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39368849
Well it's not even a guess but just describing things that are happening. Mori just released her biggest album and Ame made a desk or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346537
For it to stop so suddenly, it must have been a management mandate, and the only reason management would mandate anything is if revenue were involved. So reasonably, it must have been because they associated a loss of revenue with the collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39368732
She was having fun passing from a streak of almost a full month packed with streams to going back to the 4 rest days, sc reading and random indie game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39369484
>loss of revenue
Revenue is mostly merch and superchats. You would need to show a decline in sp to support that idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39369575
There was a decline in SCs after the initial flurry of support for the collabs, and unfortunately we won't ever know the numbers for things like merch sales and memberships unless told. I can't think of any other reason why the collabs stopped so suddenly and so completely, or for them to not say anything about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39369770
>There was a decline in SCs
Proof?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39369783
You've seen it posted here before, don't act dumb trying to get some sort of 'gotcha' so you can pretend the collabs didn't hurt anything. On a side note, my only other idea is that they just wanted the drama surrounding it to go away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39369783
No

[Anonymous No.]

>>39369876
>numberfag argument
>doesn't have numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>39369936
>g-g-gotcha...?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39369783
Check the numbers general, they can point you in the right direction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39369956
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39369992
>Check the numbers general
Most of those turbo faggots don't see check numbers beyond daily rankings and cry if Nijisanji gets the top spot. They don't even check Twitch numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39368849
>>39369135

[Anonymous No.]

>>39358158
>mentioning moona for no reason
hello schizo

[Anonymous No.]

>>39370363
common sense

[Anonymous No.]

it's a win-win on both ends, only shipfags lose and i want them gone forever. why are (You) complaining?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346537
StarsEN 2 will bring more collabs

[Anonymous No.]

>>39346537
They went from collabs every week till numbers begin to go down.