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39312800 No.39312800 [Reply] [Original]

I’m talking about the normies who watch purely for entertainment with no parasocial feelings whatsoever.

Cause Vtubers is a pretty loser of a hobby honestly. No well adjusted and normal person watches this shit.

>> No.39312917

>>39312800
Who watches vtubers without at least the "gives a shit about internet strangers" level of parasociality? Pretty much everyone online has that by default.

>> No.39312962

>>39312800
I dont want to fuck virtual avatars, watch streamers for entertainment
>loser hobby
Woah, calm down there, buddy. No need to be so rough on yourself.

>> No.39312998

>>39312962
>watch streamers for entertainment
lmao

>> No.39313014

TV got boring, anime sub master race but to lazy to read, found vtubers and now here i am

>> No.39313070

>>39312800
Or maybe you've deluded yourself so much into your inferiority complex with this echo chamber that you associate your self loathing with your hobby and assume everyone else is of the same caliber.

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39313077

>>39312998

>> No.39313081

>>39312962
That’s a low bar for entertainment

>> No.39313130

>>39312800
when will they realize that being a fan and oshi-ing someone already make you parasocial?

>> No.39313136

>>39313070
Maybe. That’s why I’m asking how you normal people ended up here? How’d you fall In the rabbit whole and stay in it?

>> No.39313160

>>39313081
Yet here we are shitposting on 4chin

>> No.39313184

I've got family of all ages being VTubers fans regularly sharing clips with them. Completely normal hobby if you avoid Reddit and 4chan. Well' actually' that goes for any hobby.

>> No.39313206

you can't enjoy something without being parasocial
any others answers are just deflecting or in denial

>> No.39313278

>>39312800
I like streamers and I like anime, why wouldn't I like anime streamers?
When it comes to parasocial stuff I have a hard enough time having feelings about real people so I'm not going to have them about fake cartoon people on the internet

>> No.39313295

>>39312800
My dad took me to Blockbuster one day and we rented, then bought a PS2
>see game I like
>check out video/stream
It's really that simple
>person enjoys games
>voice is pleasant
So I check in now and then
But when you find so many people you enjoy the style of all that "now and then" adds up
Game design stuff is interesting to me and a large part of that is what people think, so it's nice to see what people think about ones that I like, from first-timers to people who are competent at the game/learning mechanics
Models/cams are nice for some input expression, but the first lengthy video series I watched was from a strategically excellent geezer gamer (who's still going to this day) so I don't need more than the voice and the game footage

>> No.39313303

>>39313070

People became so used to it that they don't question it, but being attached to a particular streamer itself is parasocial. There are much less parasocial stream viewers, but they don't exist in this sphere. Look at many DOTA streamers for example, the instant the streamer isn't streaming that they lose 10k viewers. To a lesser extent, Elden Ring on launch was like this too. The viewers that leave are non-parasocial because they want to watch a particular game, the streamer is a completely replaceable part.

>> No.39313332

how come parasocial this parasocial that only becomes a thing after ENfags came?

>> No.39313338

with time you start to hate almost everyone, here we can shit on them as we wish with no consequences kek

>> No.39313345

>>39313136
I didn't get the appeal of vtubers at first, but for some reason seeing Kanata make ikemen noises with Suisei is what got me in to it. I just thought it was funny and didn't think it was any deeper than that.

>> No.39313367

>>39313338
Least miserable /vt/ user

>> No.39313404

>>39313332
Cuz that’s when the vtube scene broadened…by a lot

>> No.39313428

why are you parasocial with me anons?

>> No.39313431

>>39313332
JPfags just didn't come up with a word for this

>> No.39313499

>>39313345
See when I think about how I would explain that shit you just typed to a normal person in my everyday life, the cringe is unbearable. I guess it’s a matter of perspective/environment

>> No.39313524

>>39313332
Westerners and their cancel culture invaded

>> No.39313534

>>39313160
2 losers losing it up brother

>> No.39313555

>>39312800
Shut up. There is no sane people on 4ch. They must be insane in one way or another

>> No.39313572

>>39313555
I agree.

>> No.39313598

>>39313278
Streamers and anime are pretty mainstream nowadays huh. Still, feels like there’s a huge gap between that and Vtubers

>> No.39313624

>>39313555
being mentally ill schizo by choice > mentally ill schizo who lack self awareness

>> No.39313632

>>39313338
KEKWWWWW

>> No.39313701

>>39313624
This. Im tired of pretending we’re not all mentally ill on here

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39313757

>>39313332
fuck off
>>/jp/thread/S25445235#p25447170

>> No.39313845

>>39313499
Honestly explaining it wouldn’t be the worst as it is just a live-streamer using an anime avatar to portray themselves. The bad part would be them looking further into it and seeing how weird some of it is from an outside perspective.

>> No.39313972

>>39313757
where's the word parasocial in that post fucking retard?

>> No.39314063
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39314063

I was upset about something, I don't remember what, I was then banned for voicing my opinion from the Hololive fan server, I googled if anyone had the same opinion and ended up here...
First I thought this place is toxic as fuck (it is). Then I had to learn that most of the shit posted here is lies for the funny and not to take it serious, but then I kind of came to like it, and reading this place gives me less anxiety and more entertainment than reading the news.

>> No.39314142

>>39314063
Damn. Similar too me except I didn’t get banned. I’m too much of a coward to say how I really feel in the “official” huh boxes

>> No.39314183

>>39314142(me)
*hug

>> No.39314219

>>39312800
>I like game
>I like voice
>follow/subscribe
Simple as. YT just recommended a Holo one day and that was that. Must've been because of some anime clips and all the games.

>> No.39314316

>>39312800
because it's probably still the best public place to discuss them. Reddit's too hugboxy, and most Youtube comment sections are just memes.

>> No.39314355 [DELETED] 

>>39313160
>>39313081
>>39312998
they're funny, sometimes.

>> No.39314413

>>39312998
>>39313081
>>39313160
they're funny, sometimes.

>> No.39314458

>>39312800
>I’m talking about the normies who watch purely for entertainment with no parasocial feelings whatsoever.
Being worried about your favorite streamer getting sick are also parasocial feelings, even if you only watch them for entertainment.
You people think that "parasocial" literally translates into turbo gachi or a unicorn.
Also, gachis are also normies by that definition because almost EVERYONE on this fucking planet had at least one or two celeb crushes in their life.

>> No.39314552

>>39312800
I enjoy reading rrats.

>normal
Wrong. I just don't get attached as much as you guys.

>> No.39314847
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39314847

I have a higher power level than pretty much everyone I know.
I also bench 2 plate, have multiple social circles of friends, organize parties, have a good relationship with my coworkers, and have a close family
I wound up here because anime was going through some bad seasons with nothing really to watch, and I was getting bored of listening to local conservative newstalk radio and poorly written creepypastas while on the job. Since I have no proviclivities to very weeby shit, it was an easy fit.
I suppose it's a guilty pleasure that I don't really feel guilty about. I just don't bring it up because the people I know simply aren't interested in it

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39314930

>>39314183 (you)
*hug*

>> No.39314956

>>39313757
Being punched in the face by korosan is a reward

>> No.39315053

>>39312800
holo reddit is boring. also too much bullshit "positivity"
niji reddit is dead
virtualyoutubers reddit is.. sad
twitter is twitter
youtube comments is slow
same for the doxxsite
discord is too weird

this asylum is the perfect place to fuck around. have you seen the amount of threads spawned by 1 stream?

>> No.39315111

Isn't the basic premise of streaming to be parasocial? You interact in the chat, follow a schedule etc.

>> No.39315268

>>39315111
yes I don't know why they deflect so much

>> No.39316027

>>39312800
>No well adjusted and normal person watches this shit.
He asserted without evidence.

>> No.39316053

>>39316027
the evidence is your mom

>> No.39316087

>>39312800
The world is full of failed normalfags now. Think of fuck apps like tinder. Then think about how many single moms and obese landwhales are on there. All of those people would have been just normal 20 years ago and would have looked down on anime while doing their sex and the city biz. Today they're disgusting freaks, but still have the same normalfag mindset. So they get into your dweeb hobby and shit it up.

>> No.39316126

>>39314413
I think maybe 10 years ago streamers could fill that "watching someone better than you play this game" niche but it quickly turned to utter shit by twitch and now you got some weird 'industry' of people who play games for a living.

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39316172

>>39312800
To steal your memes. That's literally it. I save all your images, all your copypastas, snip a collection of them and post them on my local discord for comedy.

>> No.39316174

>>39313598
The overlap of people who like anime and streamers is still pretty small compared to how big the individual fandoms are, plus there's likely an awareness issue - while I was dimly aware of the existence of kizuna ai for ages I'd only regarded it as a funny Japanese thing, it wasn't until I got hololive clips in my YouTube feed that I actually started paying attention to anything vtuber related and finding out I liked it

>> No.39316737

>>39312800
I found (the modern livestream) vtubers accidentally when I was looking for new ASMR. I use vtuber streams roughly the same way as I use ASMR, as a pleasant background noise - and also as a way to keep my Japanese listening skills sharp.

>> No.39317022

>>39312800
I'm unable to connect with people, be it parasocially or in an actual, real way. I'm not fucking normal mate, humans are supposed to be able to be tricked into being happy. Why can't I be happy.

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>>39312800
>Parasocial
>Parasocial
>Parasocial
Parasocial isn't real, it's just a made up gay word from the late 2010s that random youtube people came up with. There's no such thing as 'parasocial' because there is no line between 'parasocial' and being 'normally' a fan of another person and no one who ever uses this dumbass word has ever been able to coherently define it.

Are bootlicking wagies who are desperate to impress their boss at work 'parasocial' with their manager? Are boomers who just watch telly all day 'parasocial' about specific sports players/gameshow celebrity presenters/politicians they like 'parasocial?' Is every britbong who obsesses about the queen/royal family (i.e. over half the country) 'parasocial?'

When it comes down to it, literally everyone is 'parasocial' to some degree towards another human being that they revere in any sense and therefore the term is meaningless, there is no distinction. The reality is that there is literally no one watching vtubers who isn't 'parasocial' to some extent, they're just in denial of it. Humans are social creatures and, unless you're really schizoid or an actual psychopath, will always obsessively and quickly develop feelings for/a connection to another person they regularly see/interact with to some degree. To deny this is to deny human nature itself. 'Parasocial' is just a word used to dismiss anyone people don't like, like calling them virgins or something. The only difference between the 'parasocial' fans of vtubers and the 'normies' is that the parasocial ones are honest.

>> No.39318405

>>39312800
Well for me I've been on 4chan since 2009 so there's that, and watching vtubers is just entertaining to me.
I've been in several relationships with women so I don't have feelings or delusional fantasies of vtubers or their avatars.
No sense in flirting, and working myself up over someone who I'll never be with or even see in person.

>> No.39319307

>>39312800
I just like looking at the cute girls and imagining them as my friends lol

>> No.39320318

>>39312800
>watch purely for entertainment with no parasocial feelings whatsoever.
i was like this when i still had been watching holo till i watched a certain 2view.
now i'm head over heels for her.

>> No.39320374

I don't understand what a parasocial relationship is, can somebody explain?

My favorite streamer is some male 2view I've been following for about 7 years now, we strike up conversation in chat often, it hardly feels any different from my irl social contacts who I mostly see through text most of the time barring special occasions.

>> No.39320527

>>39318094
The term was spread so much specifically because male streamers wanted to groom and fuck female streamers while the audience watches obediently to virtue signal.

>> No.39320592

>>39312800
It's this place that's the loser hobby, anon, not vtubers.

>> No.39320623

>>39312800
I watch streamers that play the games I like to see being played.
There are some vtubers that play the games I like to see played.
Whether it be streamer or vtuber, I do not chat, I do not comment, I do not read chat. I subscribe if they're good at the game or do some really whacky / niche shit with it (Examples, speedrun, exploiting bugs, or are comically bad at the game that I laugh at them) and membership if I feel they did a good job.
If this is somehow still considered parasocial, then so be it, but my gf and I watch the same streamers, and she watches NijiJP while I watch HoloJP.

>> No.39320769

>>39312800
Bitch, gachikois don't comprise the whole vtuber fandom KEK

>> No.39320823

I feel parasocial I just don't act like a fucking schizo about it.

>> No.39320836

>>39313206
>I can't enjoy streamers without pretending their in a relationship with me SO YOU MUST BE LIKE ME
stop projecting you absolute loser

>> No.39323007

>>39312800
It's pretty popular now, look at Ironmouse or Gura numbahs. I wouldn't say it's any more loserish than just watching anime or playing weeb games

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>>39312800
I'm not normal, I just hate women.

>> No.39323255

>>39312800
I spent like 10 years watching 30something anglo nerds play videogames before I started watching 20something japanese women. It wasn't that hard switching without turning into a GFE freakazoid.

>> No.39323361

>>39312800
Ive been a vtuber fan for 5 years and it was always about seeing retards do funny shit. Only when .live and hololive get big did it start being this surrogate gf for adult babies bullshit. Fuck you jiggaboos forever

>> No.39323729

>>39314552
>don't get attached as much as you guys
but you come here everyday faggot

>> No.39323781

>>39312800
I practically grew up on here so when I discovered vtubers this board was naturally where I went. As for why I didn't fall down the parasocial rabbit hole, I went through a long period of self reflection before I came here. I did my /adv/ reps, climbed out of most of my incel mindset that I inherited from my lonely childhood, and learned to stop taking things personally. By giving up the GFE illusion I've learned to separate the posers from those who are genuinely passionate about making others happy.

>> No.39323798

>>39317022
Most emo manchild like to think they're special, but they aren't. I told them to tell me their dream. It's always fame, popularity, bitches and money, the most basic normie desires

>> No.39323874

>>39318094
It have been a long time to see wisdom like this again

>> No.39323971

>>39312800
I got really into honey select and then one day I accidentally found Melody so I was hooked instantly. Arguably I am still a loser but at least I don't fall in love with streamers kek.

>> No.39324038

>>39323781
>I've learned to separate the posers from those who are genuinely passionate about making others happy.
Is this something you can truly learn?

>> No.39324128

>>39323781
based reformed incel, you are gonna make it

>> No.39324234

I just like seeing cute girls doing cute things and if they’re not that day I just do something else until a stream I’m interested in comes around. They’re also great background noise for when I’m working.

>> No.39324253

They're still parasocial. There's a reason let's players and podcasters have been called "friendship simulators" on this site forever. Blame the ESL retards on this board for equality the term with sex now.

>> No.39324303

>>39312800
Because I'm too old to start using reddit now, and I was lured in by the Rushia rrrats.

>> No.39324331

>>39318094
>Are boomers who just watch telly all day 'parasocial' about specific sports players/gameshow celebrity presenters/politicians they like 'parasocial?
Yes to celebrities, all the other examples are retarded and the term doesn't even apply. Your manager knows of your existence, and the queen is the fucking queen, a better example would be someone like Trump where people actually take him as a friend, still isn't something that happens with any politician. You could just check what a parasocial person is and find concrete examples, celebrities and streamers are the biggest offenders

>> No.39324362

Because this is the only place I can be a dramasister and be critical about vtubers

>> No.39324490

NORMALFAGS GET OUT REEEEEEEEE!!!!

>> No.39324700

this place is a fixer-upper, terrible rrat infestation though

>> No.39324725

Vtubers are the future of entertainment and of most audio-visual mediums, they will replace the traditional human workforce in 100 or so years, and of course the traditional media will still be around but it will be a niche thing, like water polo, wrestling or chess. Albeit I do not know if we will still call them vtubers since they will be pure AI.

That said, no "normies" get into this hobby, you are either an enthusiast of anime or technology, most likely both, and these are things that normies don't understand nor know and certainly don't care. The current success of Hololive and Nijisanji is a mere blip on the radar and the numbers say as much, 2m subs for successful chuubas while not a very accurate tool it's still enough to understand how "famous" they are, a mere bubble compared to actually popular cultural icons, like Marvel's Avengers or One Piece.

>> No.39324835

>>39312800
During the stream I enter escapism and become that parasocial fan. When the stream ends that stops and I go about my daily life. It's that easy. I've been using 4chan for 17 years now.

>> No.39325151

>>39324253
Not to mention movie reviewers, political pundits, sports analyzers and every other flavor of celebrity no matter how minor. In the 90s there were some evolutionary psychologists who thought the behavior might generally be positive because idolization could lead to self-improvement. No irony intended. The idea was that if you put on a pedestal the guy who could chuck spears farther or made the best flint arrow heads you'd practice throwing your spear or arrow head making skills. Obviously replacing those positive behaviors with maladaptive practices like giving supas to cute anime girls kind of erodes the evolutionary benefit of that behavior.

>> No.39325156

Why Vtubers?
> I like vidya
> I like VN
> no time to play them anymore
> Vtubers (mostly Holo ID for some reason) allow me to listen to cute anime girls playing through them while I'm busy working

Why 4chan
> it's the only decent place where I can talk to people about Reine and Anya

>> No.39325222

>>39325156
>decent
this place is a shithole

>> No.39325364

>>39325222
Yeah, but there's barely any censorship, as long as you don't mess with the pink whale that is

>> No.39325516

>>39325222
/mep/ and /apg/ are better compared to the alternatives
Reddit - doesn't care about anyone other than Myth, doesn't watch streams.
Discord - always devolves into cliques, attentionwhoring, and circlejerking.
Youtube - just as toxic as 4chan with 10x the virtue signaling.

So yeah compared to those, 4chan is decent.

>> No.39325644

>>39325151
Anons getting inspired by their oshis to improve themselves is something I see posted around, probably as (un)common as some gym rat lifting because they wanted to be like their action movie heroes.

>> No.39325934

>>39312800
>Be me in 2006 as an old fag, eventually stop coming here in college (2011) because it's shit and too many waves of new people redefine what it represents and treat it like a secret club.
>Fast forward a decade.
>Already sometimes watch Kizuna Ai and Kaguya Luna videos through youtube suggestions to kind of see an interesting adaption of a concept blossom
>Fast forward to pandemic
>My city shuts down and I go full remote.
>My job is to look at spreadsheets, write queries and make reports.
>Very little oversight because I actually do my job so I just sit in my room with the TV playing in the background as white noise while I go about my day.
>Already watch a lot of lets plays or game streamers.
>Korone clips start showing up in my Youtube suggestions.
>Start slipping into more clips and find her very funny.
>Expands to Hololive Gamers, more gens etc.
>Still just a clip watcher for the most part.
>Hololive EN debuts and I can actually watch full streams in my language.
>Start to just watch the streams in the background.
>Grow attached to the girls as I realize they're very entertaining and have good personalities.
>Fast forward to 2022 I'm financially independent, have more time on my hands, bored and decide to come back here and find there's a board dedicated to vtubers.

>> No.39326781

>>39325644
When Pumping Iron came out there was a huge boost in gym memberships. Ditto with Rocky and Golden Gloves. Why do you think western media is obliterating all traces of masculinity from media?

>> No.39326827

>>39326781
Because women are being given makework jobs in an industry where quality is hard to define.

>> No.39326955

Since I’m not parasocial, I slowly dropped HoloEN once they started getting worse (no streams, creative stagnation, etc. This was months before Tempus). Tempus just happened to dampen any potential enthusiasm to go back.
After that I started watching small corpos, and if you haven’t noticed, it’s hard to find many places to talk about them other than here. So I decided to larp as the kind of insane person that *does* use /vt/. Obviously I have to take breaks at times, this shit is good for nobody. But that’s the story.

>> No.39327005

>>39312800
The "I'm just here to watch the mentally ill freaks like a zoo" is such a fucking cope at this point

>> No.39328350

>>39320836
"relationship" doesn't have to mean "boyfriend/girlfriend", retard, it can just be "acquaintance". pretty much any streamer that interacts with the chat fosters a parasocial relationship, and it goes both ways.

>> No.39328600

>>39312800
It's the natural progression of watching anime for decades, newfag. Just a reminder that if you got into vtubers without watching anime beforehand, you're doing it wrong and are a casual, disgusting EOP who probably watched Twitch faggots instead.

>> No.39328844

>>39312800
Already used 4chan for other things, so it feels more natural to lurk in the general for my favorite to get updates on them along with art.

>> No.39329358

Not normal, but I used vtubers to replace the office chatter now that I'm working 100% remote. Didn't use to watch streamers virtual or not, but I kind of need that background stimulation to work.

>> No.39331828

Still a loser and I'll give a loser answer. I like the idea of real life anime people. It's like the precursor to full dive VR where I can abandon this ugly flesh world for good.
Frankly, the idea this hobby is a "woman thing" is kind of bullshit. There's so many genres of anime and vtubing represents maybe 2 of them purely because of who the market leader is rather than anything organic. I don't give a shit about idol stuff, but that aesthetic permeates the entire industry. If you can't sing or have zero interest in it, good luck making it big or becoming a corpo.
And then there's the notion you can only like these silly anime people if you're in love/want to fuck them. Sure, there's some I'd want to fuck just like there's some women in my life I'd want to fuck if the opportunity arose, but I'm not getting offended if they're in a relationship or fucking someone else. And that's not gender-specific either as we can see with Luxiem and other male vtubers. Mysta is fucking hilarious and doesn't really have a female-centric sense of humor, but because of his model and some pandering, I (a heterosexual male) am a huge anomaly for watching him. He'd be a fantastic guest on Oneyplays (assuming he doesn't just stay silent) and no women are watching them.
I do think things will change eventually that makes the medium more appealing to a wider range of people, but I'm extremely worried that what it will look like would be ugly 3d shit like Codemiko rather than what we have now.

>> No.39331873

>>39312962
You have a twisted version of entertainment

>> No.39332077

I was around for the Livejasmin raids. I'm immune to the parasocial nonsense. I want to see the animated characters play games I like, share funny life stories, and cook things. Platitudes from someone on a screen are meaningless.

>> No.39335235

because you people are just as much as entertainment to me as those vtubers does

>> No.39335330

>>39312800
It's all VSHOJO's fault. They popularized twitch whore streams with anime avatars.

>> No.39335417

>>39312800
Covid and anime going to shit for years. Its just white noise in a second monitor while i do other stuff. vtubers are better then old shows im watching for the 3rd or 4th time.

>> No.39338271

So what I’ve gathered from this thread is that all of you are mentally deranged losers. Some of you just don’t know it yet or don’t want to acknowledge it. I hear by christen the Unicorn/Normie wars over.

>> No.39338491

I just read shit here occasionally because people will sometimes reveal past lives and I'm curious about those.
The rest of the gossip and drama is just funny in a pitiful way.

>> No.39338578

>>39331873
whats so twisted about it, its just funny anime girls saying funny things playing funny games, you just have to be dense about it dont take things too seriously & dont let yourself fall too deep into the rabbit hole

>> No.39338923

when it comes to the chuubas? im more of a clipfag than anything. when it comes to why am i on this site? the skizo talks & dramas are funny! the reaction pics are funny too and whenever i go on this site i always feel this twisted sense of relief seeing theres so many people way more messed up & mentally ill than me, genuinely. you guys does boost my mood & my confidence in myself every once in a while

>> No.39339278

>>39312800
Having no friends and no partner, being a NEET etc. do not necessarily mean you have to be parasocial.

>> No.39339335

>>39338491
if you weren't EOP you could just google "[streamer name]中の人” and you prob would find what u want

>> No.39339703

>>39339335
Got me there, that is very much true.

>> No.39339753

>>39312800
They're liars who don't want to admit they're parasocial while they engage in even more parasocial behavior than unicorns.

>> No.39339969

>>39312800
Normal people aren't the ones that shit on parasocial because normal people aren't simps for fake anime girls in the first place. If you spend time supporting a vtuber everyday and think you're normal or not parasocial, get a fucking grip and try talking to an actual normal person about your hobby.

>> No.39341120

>>39312800
I've been on 4chan since 2006, so I ended up coming here after getting recommended some clips on Youtube of vtubers and caving and actually watching them, which was entertaining for a while.
Then I got bored and stopped watching them but I still come here to see if anything interesting is happening.

>> No.39341977

>>39312800
Sheer curiosity and the novelty of the whole thing really.

>> No.39342870

Vtubers are probably the most normalfag weeb hobby, more than anime, manga, LNs, VNs, etc. Assuming that you watch mre than just the three most popular anime every year of course. And /vt/'s probably one of the most normalfag boards here, also the one with the most underage posters outside of /b/. Seriously stop being a delusional Nigger, you would get banned for posting abut vtubers in any non normalfag friendly imageboard for talking about 3DPD. Even /jp/ hates this board. You're also probably an EOP so you're part of the problem

>> No.39343176

>>39312800
I came her in 2012 because of the DmC debacle. Vtubers are just a hobby. I don't hate parasocial, just hate the unicorn autism and girlfriend simulator shit.

>> No.39343309

>>39312800
Been here since I don't even know when, but on /tg/ instead of /vt/. Then /tg/ degraded and vtubers replaced other entertainment.

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