/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Wait, you guys are actually in love with Vtubers?
That's why you're upset if they collab with males, donate to them, and show up in their chats?

[Anonymous No.]

Kinda

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[Anonymous No.]

I'm attracted to them when they are vtubers
The second real life comes into play I am no longer attracted

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>>38604080
OP are you saying you're into 3DPG and their on goings in meat space hell?
ew

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>>38604351
3DPD*

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>>38604080
Yes, every single vtubers that i like is my wife therefore she shall not talk to any male that isn't me, inshallah.

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>>38604080
desu at least for me the longer ive been in the vtuber rabbithole the more i think its the dumbest shit imaginable, the whole fucking reeks and breeds mental illness for both the streamer and the audience, i honestly stay up at night wonder how the fuck did we get here

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>>38604351
No?
I just don't give a shit about the girls behind the screens, because I can never be intimate with them. Why would I emotionally invest in a girl I'll never even be able to touch?

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>>38604080
My hatred of liars and my dislike of collabs on general forms a venn diagram with "unicorn" in the middle.

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>>38604902
Why don't you just use one of the AI bots in the /wAIfu/ threads, and talk to that, then?

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>>38604080
Yes.

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>>38604572
>because I can never be intimate with them.
I don't care about what's behind the screen either but it's very irritating coming across it when it could have been prevented.
Just unprofessional where the entire point of watching an anime girl acting to be someone else gets doxxed because they just had to follow another holomem with their rm's twitter or something for the rrats.

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>>38604939
Why don't I just watch vtubers do zatsu instead of that?

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>>38604524
>i honestly stay up at night wonder how the fuck did we get here
It's not complicated. It's because Holos don't interact with men on a regular basis.

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>>38605105
Good.

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>>38604080
YES! That's why if they collab with male, they are automatically wh*res in the our eyes!

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>>38605343
i simply drop and ignore nothing more needed.

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>>38604524
Even if you're just jebaiting me, I do agree with the sentiment. I thought I was immune to getting dragged in to any specific Vtuber's streams/off site stuff, but I wound up doing so because a medium range 2view I liked would read every message I wrote, and actively chatter with/singled me out in the crowd. I operated on the basis of "I refuse to do memberships, I just tip when I enjoy a stream." and before I knew it I'd spent like 40 bucks on her. I stopped watching her recently because I found myself actually giving a shit if she would get upset if I stopped showing up, and feeling fucking retarded upon realizing what I was doing.

Specifically because the more I've thought about it, and observed dudes like >>38604999 and >>38605074, that I've come to realize Vtubing in general is effectively a new form of religion.
Replace "homobeggar," "nijinigger," or "holocuck" with the word
>heretic
and suddenly it all just kinda clicks into place.

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>>38604080
Historically falling in and out of love with chicks and doggedly pursuing them was the norm. The culture of "just orbit and give her money, don't talk to her okay?" is some insane post-myspace shit. If your ancestor wasn't an go-getter with balls who nutted in your other ancestor you'd never be born. He'd have just orbited her, left her father presents of meat and cheese and then silently seethed when Sir Chad Chaddington of Alphashire wedded her.

Real men fall in love and pursue. Losers question why men have feelings at all.

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>>38605391
>effectively a new form of religion.
and once the AI is perfected we won't need the fleshy ones :)

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>>38605391
Religion is good if people use it as life improvement, instead of life escape. But no, apparently people have shitty lives so they watch Vtubers instead of going to a therapist.

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>>38605391
honestly not even jebating, my view of it just gets worse as time goes on, the whole thing is just fucking crazy when u actually take a step back and analyze it, i guess i agree with your religion take bc its insane how duup ppl are willing to go for a specific chubba, niggers literally build shrines to these bitches.

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>>38605495
With talk like that, you have a wife and kids, right, Anon?

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>>38604080
Why do you want to watch chicks flirting with dudes?

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>>38605391
The second paragraph is right, because the first paragraph had me wishing harm upon you.

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>>38605562
It gets worse.
>offering up money and goods to an illustration of a pure woman, in hopes of currying her favor and blessings
Am I talking about church, or a Vtuber stream

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>>38605653
>because the first paragraph had me wishing harm upon you.
Why?

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>>38605808
I hope moom builds the church of hoomans for us

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>>38605901
The part about abandoning a 2view for such a reason

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>>38604080
Yes, and?

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>>38606053
She knows me as well as I know her. Which is to say neither of us do. Nor is she entitled to my time or money. I have other priorities in life and this streamer wasn't a priority for me. She would be if we were personal friends, obviously, or if I was talking to her one on one, but at the point I left I was just one of a crowd. There are other guys out there who will enjoy her company, and give her someone entertaining to talk to in the chat, I'm sure of it. But for me, I'm too much of a lonely faggot to not get super invested in her, so if anything I left for both of our sakes. Can't have some menhara Anon going full parasocial/Gosling on her, now can we?

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>>38606227
You don't have to rationalize it. I know I'm wrong but I can't stop.

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>>38606380
Well, I can tell you what got me to stop, I guess. I kinda just started going to things IRL that interest me, without any expectations.
At first I was anxious, but after the third week, and my brain was all
>Well I guess this shit we're afraid of can't actually harm us
I just started talking to the people at each, and got to know them a bit. I also live with my parents, and help them with a lot of stuff, and get along with them. I'm only really being so blunt and straightforward because I'm taking a gamble your situation is similar to mine, and you just flat out didn't know what would work, and where to go.

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>>38604080
There's actually nothing wrong with them collabing with males, what is wrong is when they make a fuss about it or just straight up flirting on stream. They do know who their targeted fans are.

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is bait.
Report and ignore.

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>>38607373
I am OP and I want to make it clear I'm genuinely asking.
I have severe autism, (albeit high functioning), so social situations I'm unfamiliar with don't really register to me properly.

I also asked because I thought everyone just watched them cause they're kinda funny, and play games they like, like I do.

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>>38604080
No

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>>38604080
Yes genius

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>>38604080
>Wait, you guys are actually in love with Vtubers?
Yes.
>That's why you're upset if they collab with males
I'd prefer if she didn't but I don't really care.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
I FEEL ATTACKED
LETS UNPACK THIS

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>>38604080
yes.

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>>38607572
>>38607594
>>38607759
>>38607676
Do you guys not realize all of you could be talking about the same girl?

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>>38607786
So? She's an adult woman she can make decisions for herself.

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>>38607786
You got problem with that?

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>>38604080
yes you cuck

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>>38607863
>>38607880
Do you think she's going to choose you?

>>38607954
Next time just use the word "heretic" if you wanna be accurate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
You're gay, you wouldn't understand

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>>38608004
>Do you think she's going to choose you?
I sure hope so. Look, unless they're batshit crazy or stupid every single person that falls in love with a vtuber understands that they have a snowball's chance in Hell. I'd rather follow my heart than give up like a bitch.

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>>38608100
>I'd rather chase a girl I know will never reciprocate, than...
Why?
What are you even choosing this over doing?

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>>38608004
Yes, i'm her husband.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38608166
>Why?

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>>38607496
>they're kinda funny, and play games they like, like I do.
Ya I also just want them to sit on my face.

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>>38608004
why, its not like you are looking for serious answers anyways

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>>38605391
>A community exists that people love and have a set of cultural standards for.
>Is this religion??

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>>38604080
Stop shitposting with my daughter

[Anonymous No.]

>>38608275
Why?

>>38608378
I'm serious.

>>38608641
Why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38608679
>Why?
Why does a man love a woman? It's not rational. It's not -supposed- to be rational.

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>>38608738
Love is irrational, but men should love women they can actually exist in the same room with, Anon. Anything less is chasing such big windmills I might as well start calling you Don Quixote, and just sets you up for misery down the line.

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>>38608816
>but men should love women they can actually exist in the same room with, Anon.
The word "men" here is being used lightly. You're forgetting some people are just terminally alone, anon.

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>>38607496
Yeah you're so dishonest it's not even funny. I thought you were good faith up until this point but nah.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't use my wife to shitpost

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>>38608816
>I might as well start calling you Don Quixote
Be my guest. Doesn't change anything.
>and just sets you up for misery down the line.
I'm well acquainted with misery, so that doesn't make a difference to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
How am I not supposed to fall in love with her when she's so fun to talk to, laughs at my jokes, and is so sweet? I just want to see her more, and I think about her all the time. This is the only female interaction I get.

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>>38608917
>implying

[Anonymous No.]

Why do people watch streamers?
You watch streamers for entertainment, for being funny or informative while playing games, and to see their reactions to certain story moments or bosses.
But it's not that alone, there is an aspect of parasociality but people also forget there is an aspect of regular sociality too because whether it be the chat/discord/twitter/4chan/etc. you communicate with like minded individuals to some extent
Often it's loners, losers, social rejects or whatever and they can make friends with fans of those women and do it easily because there is already something to relate to and you can go from there.
As for the falling love part, it stands to reason that if you're already in the category of people mentioned above, you also lack female attention/conversation/interaction/etc. and vtubers can "fill in" that role for them
It's what people already did with anime hence waifus, but with the added bonus of interaction.
Yes it is fake character, but people will do anything to fill in the empty voids in their life no matter how fake or bad for them it is.

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>>38608816
You assume they actually really WANT the woman. They may say they do, but if life circumstances conspired to put them in a position to trivially woo them (say, billionaire inheritance plus job confluence) a lot would find an excuse to not try. It would break the illusion and the routine.

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>>38608906
>>38608979
>>38608991
>You're forgetting some people are just terminally alone, anon.
>I'm well acquainted with misery, so that doesn't make a difference to me.
>This is the only female interaction I get.
So you're all just sad all the time? I'm sorry, that's gotta be rough.

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>>38609041
>but people will do anything to fill in the empty voids in their life no matter how fake or bad for them it is.
Why?
If you accept that, and deal with it for a few months, it gets better and you're able to do more with your life afterwards.

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>>38609094
>So you're all just sad all the time?
I grew up in a domestically and financially abusive home. I've had major depression for 20 years. Sadness, or the potential thereof, is no concern of mine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38609094
>So you're just sad all the time?
That's rough, anon.

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>>38609094
little things etc..

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>>38605940
you are a retarded little thing and you will die like a fish out of water

[Anonymous No.]

>>38609332
PLEASE MOOM

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>>38607594
who is your oshi anon?

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>>38608738
>Why does a man love a woman? It's not rational.
Not exactly true. People just don't want to think about it rationally and prefer the mystery that it entails.

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>>38609094
I'll give you the attention you want anon. Just don't be sad.

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>>38604080
Most fans just leave, as has been shown. That's not of love, but of respect. Speaking of the silent majority.

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>>38608004
I feel like apostate is even better because it originated as a term for someone of the same religion (early christianity) but a different sect as peter. Holocucks and Nijiniggers are the same religion, just different sects.

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>>38609094
>>38609162
These are the kinds of posts filled with the kind of condescension where you just know they're going to go to their community afterwards and talk about how they tried to "be nice to the mean incel unicorns but they just wouldn't listen" to their advice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38609533
This desu, for me. I don't care what they do off stream or off character because no shit they're real people and no shit we don't know each other, but I want a very specific product and if they don't sell it anymore then I stop buying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38609407
Before you ask: Yes I am aware of occult knowledge.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm on the same boat as OP here.
I just watch vtubers with my gf as an entertaining evening, though she likes nijiJP while i like holoJP, we can still watch and find the other funny.
I've tried once or twice to try and understand but I just can't. I even got responses like "I don't want anything to do with the woman behind the avatar, just the avatar" like...I guess you guys liked that one girl looking pokemon when growing up?

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>>38609765
>with my gf
stopped reading there
man read the room

[Anonymous No.]

>>38609826
Sorry, I'm autistic as fuck and don't get room reading well. My apologies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38609924
Then you should probably leave. Not sorry.

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>>38604080
Why would I watch a femoid for any reason other than finding them sexually arousing?

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>>38609826
You replied to OP samefagging his bait thread and altering it a bit to bait harder.

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>>38609963
Do you find female clowns sexually arousing? Because that's all I see in female vtubers. Clowns to entertain me.

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>>38609760
I'm not privy to occult knowledge whatchu talkin bout nigga? Gura is my oshi too, she's not gonna collab with males because she loves us for real, obviously. unrelated question but did the dear departed Senzawa vtuber who I'm just bringing up out of nowhere, did she collab with males?

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>>38609162
>If you accept that
Key part, "if"
Consider the backlash to Ame's "improve yourself" and think if people are truly equipped to healthily engage with vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>38610002
Clowns are funny, women aren't

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>>38610002
>Do you find female clowns sexually arousing

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>>38605391
This is what happens as a result of God being taken out of modern society. Man will always find an idol in something, whether it be a golden calf, or a virtual anime girl.

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>>38610010
>I'm not privy to occult knowledge
Chumbud you are perfectly aware of the esoteric wisdom I am referring to.

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>>38610002

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>>38604080
using my cute owl wife for a low effort shitpost...pitiful.

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>>38610002
Polka viewers clearly do

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>>38610155
>someone makes any observation ever
>this is why we need a Christian ethnostate
Yes /pol/ every problem ever can be solved with a Christian ethnostate. Great contribution to the discussion.

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>>38610174
so she didn't right? I think Gura is scared of men and tries to interact with them as little as possible, Hololive and Cover allow her to do that pretty effectively cause there are a ton of female managers and such. plus she's got built in friends in the form of her genmates and senpais and also I hope she's doin well.

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>>38610293
>every problem ever can be solved with a Christian ethnostate
Unironically agree. Every great state in world history was a Christian ethnostate

[Anonymous No.]

>>38610010
>>38610341
Senzawa has played with males before, Jay, look for the DbD stream

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>>38604080
>Wait, you guys are actually in love with Vtubers?
No.
>That's why you're upset if they collab with males, donate to them, and show up in their chats?
For whatever reason 99.99% of all male vtubers are boring/cringe their main audience is yumejos/fujos
>J-just give them a try
I did it to many times. I tried to watch Luxiem, Tempus, Noctyx, indies... Them all boring/cringe.

Honestly it's hilarious that Selen are better brotuber than all male "brotubers"

[Anonymous No.]

>>38611047
>Just give them a try
Who asked? Are you seeing something that OP said that I'm not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38611107
If i didn't write that, than someone would write staff like 'Just give them a try' or 'You didn't watch them'.

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>>38609556
it's gonna be on one of those '4chan Vtuber Board' videos

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>>38612090
if the videomaker is still here, put this gura in it. also, Nigger. Blur that

[Anonymous No.]

>>38610002
I fucking love clussy

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>>38609556
>you just know they're going to go to their community afterwards and talk about how they tried to "be nice to the mean incel unicorns but they just wouldn't listen" to their advice.
Whatever. They asked and I answered.

[Anonymous No.]

>I'm in love with the Coco

[Anonymous No.]

>>38605495
>Sir Chad Chaddington of Alphashire
KEK

[Anonymous No.]

It's been explained so many times in such detail at this point that it HAS to be a prank to pretend not to understand position of most CGDCTfags.
I'm a customer looking for a specific product. Some girls sell this product, some don't. I don't harass the ones that don't, I just don't watch or pay them. If one of the girls stops selling the product, I stop watching/paying them. The product they sell is a professional fantasy, a mutual roleplay with the audience. I understand that there's an actual person behind the character, I don't care about what they do out-of-character. The bottom line is that they sell a reprise from the overly-complicated game of navigating society. They sell a version of socializing that is obviously fake, but allows you to exercise social interactions without needing to exhaust yourself on all the risks and caveats and calculations that comes from real interactions. I don't know them and they don't know me, but I can feel like I had a pleasant social experience that actually re-energizes me instead of wearing me out.
I have a social life, as much as I am comfortable. I have female friends. I have no interest in a relationship. I am extremely introverted and get worn out by constant social interaction. This allows me to dip my toes in all those social experiences without needing to dive into the deep end. I'm sure many other CGDCTfags feel the same.

All they need to do is:
1. Play a consistent character that is in some way "fictional" or "idealized", and most importantly, seems approachable. By which I mean, be professional. As in, keep your worst parts to yourself, and I as an audience member will do the same with mine. I should expect that you will keep the baggage of your personal/RM life separated from your character, and as an audience member interacting with this fantasy character, you should expect that I do the same. I want to interact with a likable ("cute") person who seems welcoming of "me". I don't want to have to put the social/mental energy into considering all the fucked up shit you may or may not be doing or dealing with, wondering if I'm going to have a good time interacting with you or if I'm going to end up with a new tragedrama, and you shouldn't want that from your audience. You should expect the audience comes to you with the intent to have a good time, and the audience should expect you are doing the same.

2. Try to uphold the rule of "doing cute things", at least to a reasonable degree, by which I mean keep This, again, is just being professional. You may be an unrepentant serial killer nymphomaniac who goes to gangbangs and sucks off every dude with ricin-laced lipstick but the character you're playing isn't and the "dimension" that character exists in doesn't have to deal with or think about those things. You may want to comment on the injustices of war and the great economic and social inequality plaguing the world, but the "dimension" your character lives in, that an audience member wants to immerse themselves in, shouldn't have any of those worries.

3. Stick to C"G"DCT and don't do casual cross-gender collabs. For starters, the streams are just uncomfortable to watch and the dynamic can feel very strongly third-wheeling. You could say to just skip those streams, but it unfortunately isn't that simple, as the presence of those male characters bleeds into the rest of the product one way or another. Shipfaggotry is the worst offender in this regard. If you could kill every shipfag in the world and guarantee that they won't be brought up on streams they aren't present on, then it might be different, but as it stands, the introduction of male characters in the same "dimension" as your character is opening a can of worms that is incredibly difficult to close again, introducing a layer of social interaction that the product is meant specifically to be a relief from. Mental energy is expended, and that's the thing I was seeking to recharge.

4. Most importantly, treat their audience with respect and understand what they're selling. This means that even if you think your audience is incredibly pathetic, as long as you're selling the CGDCT product, don't shit all over it. Even if one or two antis say something rude, feel free to clap back, but don't go around and shit all over large chunks of the rest of your audience for their feelings when they mostly kept it to themselves. This is the one that you can't really come back from once you break the kayfabe.

tl;dr - be a professional if you want this to be your profession. I really dc how you respond to this and won't be replying to you because this has been looped so many times over but it's really not that complicated.

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>>38613718
I'm turning this into a copypasta if it isn't already

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
Im not in love just like to watch streams for fun and dont care if she is married

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>>38613981
If you are, go with this corrected version with the second paragraph.
>2. Try to uphold the rule of "doing cute things", at least to a reasonable degree, by which I mean keep
should have said
>2. Try to uphold the rule of "doing cute things", at least to a reasonable degree, by which I mean keep the "dimension" in which your character exists clean of the ugliest parts of the world, if possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38613718
Good essay.

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>>38604080
I imagine that people who actually stick around must feel like they have some kind of deeper connection.
I only watch them for entertainment and I always find myself growing bored after a few weeks, at which point I go back to doing other things for a couple of months and then start watching again, and the cycle continues.

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>>38613718
> be professional
>I as an audience member will do the same with mine
Sounds good in theory, but you know it doesn't work like this in reality. People start to show their degeneracy in front of "pure maidens" and they forget everything is not real. The Vtuber can be entirely professional about it, but the fans can't be trusted.

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>>38615337
But this is true with at least the holo fanbase, to the point of constantly getting insulted as yes-men and concernfags. It's when you do shit like Vox with female fanbases that shit starts spilling out, and then some of them ironically justify it with 'it's all make-believe anyway so I can ask him to choke me out and make me cum on live chat'

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>>38604080
Nope, since I pulled bitches before dating apps even existed. vTubers are like watching a niece play sports, I just don’t want to watch some creepy faggot in a mask orbiting them.

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly actual anime characters are hotter to me. I like vtubers for the entertainment

[Anonymous No.]

>>38613718
Thats good and all, but the reality is that unicorns are the biggest shitters on /vt/ and have been for months now.
Constant seething and bait threads, doxxing and anti behavior, and for what? To stick it to the "homobeggars"? I've never seen a fucking homobeggar. I only see people bitch about them in past-tense; what a convenient boogeyman.

You don't get out of being menhera by treating it like a business deal, anon. Maybe you can minimize some of the negative effects, but it's clear very few genuine unicorns share your "live and let live" attitude. I've seen them wish death on enemy chuubas and their fans, how utterly insane.

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>>38615974
Do you know about the shipping Hololive does with their members? That is done for purely business reasons, and the audience is expected to play along with the professional role play. But do you know what happened? People started to believe the shipping relationships were real, and it started to affect other Hololive members as well. Bitter feelings between fans still remain as a result.
I say this because I believe you have too much faith in the Holo fanbase to be professional about CGDCT.

[Anonymous No.]

The number one thing I hate most about when a vtuber collabs with males is the fact that I know the catalog’s going to get shat up with angry schizos seething over it.
As far as it affects me personally, I look at the announcement, hope they know not to spam them nonstop, and maybe do some threadwatching in the general to see if it’s the rare good collab.
So…I guess I’m really not in love with any vtubers. The most parasocial I get is a little bit of fear on their behalf that they’re gonna recline because of it. Because I watch neither Holo nor Niji, so all the chuubas I watch have far less robust fanbases.

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>>38604080
Girl covers face:
>cute, she has a secret identity

Guy covers face:
>Police! Lurking sex offender spotted.

The only time you should watch a man shielding his identity is until the police arrive.

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>>38616378
If your view on the "unicorn" perspective (not the same thing as CGDCTfags, which I assume you meant, genuine unicorns care a lot about PL and RM shit) is entirely based on 4chan shitposters and dramafags (who have been known to play things up and play both sides for bigger shitstorms) to the point that it negatively drives you to rally against the entire idea of CGDCT VTubing then it sounds a bit like this board has emotionally compromised you to some extent and you would genuinely benefit from taking a break from here.

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>>38616378
t.homobeggar
Don’t like getting called out for being pathetic leeches trying to draft off of the success of a woman?
kys, newfag they are no different than Kevin Federline.
Men do not belong in women’s spaces. Stay out of their bathroom and sports leagues, YWNBAW.

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>>38616714
I like you anon, the way you talk is refreshing for this place, but you are the equivalent of a "center leaning-" partisan who inevitably sides with and enables the actions of extremists.

You might as well be the only "CGDCT" anon on this site by your definition. I don't mind the concept, but it's adherence is unattainable. See the other anon who replied to me as proof.

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>>38616491
...what bitter feelings? Which "fanbases" Jesus christ you really need to get out of this board if you're taking the posts here as representative of any fanbase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38617107
I mean, again, I'm not really trying to convince anyone of anything or be convinced of anything, I just feel like this board is a permanently inflamed bowel and I have never seen what I find to be a pretty reasonable perspective put into non-instigatory words. I don't really care how this reflects on bigger trends in this culture but I just wanted to make it known that there is at least one person out there with this perspective and I doubt I'm the only one. I think the problem is that the more reasonable people are less likely to care enough to post here or shitpost at all, as the people most likely to post are the people who are galvanized by some thing or another.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
Yes. The moment another male enters the picture, I stop watching them, and any collab that involves them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38617579
Alright, I see your point. Your last statement is probably true, shitters will always be the ones to stir things when normal people are more likely to sit on the sidelines.

Where we differ I think is that I view the vocal shitters as a symptom that should be supressed, whereas you might be more concerned with people like me throwing the baby out with the bathwater than with suppressing the shitters. Where "baby" in this context is CGDCT. I think I get it. Apologies if that makes no sense.

And for your reassurance, I'd like to state that it has never been my stance for some kind of forced homogeneity (no pun intended) between the chuuba sexes; not that I ever implied that in the first place. I have only ever wanted an end to the seething and anti posts towards chuubas who did decide to collab with a dude, such as Ame and Kronii. These chuubas are all still valuable to me, and I consider the hate they get unjustified.

>I just feel like this board is a permanently inflamed bowel
>tfw /vt/ is just image-board chron's disease.
Checks out desu lol.

Thank you for your patience with my long posts, and take care anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38616378
Shut up homobeggar you aren't fooling anyone

[Anonymous No.]

>>38619056
Yeah that's fair. I can't answer for the actions of others but I think that harassing the coworkers of people I do watch for not appealing to me personally is against the spirit of the whole thing and will negatively affect the ones I do. As long as someone is willing to provide the content that I'm looking for then whatever. But even if you don't empathize with them, it really is dumb to shit on the friends of someone you do empathize with when you know they're going to see that and how it affects their friend and it'll make them feel shitty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38605554
You can't "use" religion on yourself, the moment you try to consciously use it as a tool for another purpose you lose all of your belief in it. It can affect you either positively or negatively but you don't get to choose in which way.

>>38608563
>trying to equate a community based around the idea of donating large amounts of money to egirls that play pretend gf behind anime avatars to a golfing club
I'm undecided whether this is bait or room temp iq

[Anonymous No.]

>>38605391
>religion
Uh, that may be true for some retards but I'm more inclined on what other anon said, it's more about not being unprofesional, if watching some new anime season some day one of the VAs stated at the mid of an episode "I'm sorry guys I have to stop playing the character this week because I went to the beach with my boyfriend!" or if the VA got fingered mid episode I'd be pissed too, Or if the VA said something like "unfortunely, idol culture is a thing" which doesn't sound that big of a deal until you take into account that the VA applied for Love Live. Am I being too unreasonable here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38605573
No i’m a virgin

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
don't use my oshi to shitpost

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
The presence of maletubers forever changes the feel of a chuuba and her streams. The dynamic between a chuuba and her chat is one of the appeals of vtubing, and if you add a male to it the chat and by extension (you) become a third wheel, a dipshit standing in the corner and awkwardly laughing at jokes another guy is telling to a girl you came to watch, listen and support. It's not about GFE or thinking that she's your girlfriend, it's about being sidelined into a position of utter passivity. When there's a male there you are effectively an outside observer, not a participant. This loops back to the above mentioned chuuba - chat dynamic, synergy and feeling of hanging out with a female friend. The chat is usually almost completely men, and we all know that, but we're all in an equal position. Sure, this or that guy will make her laugh, the clipper and the fanartist will get a bit of attention or praise, but they are still us and we are them. They simply add to the overall culture and enjoyment of a chuuba's stream. They are not competition for her attention or are in a privileged position because there's no "them" in the end, we're all just a single audience formed around a chuuba. A maletuber is on the "stage" so to speak with the girl, and is in a privileged position compared to us. He is an intruder into our dynamic, culture and synergy. He is an obstruction, a foreign element. A shard of glass in cotton candy.

I am not interested in watching men, and I do not watch any chuuba who collabs with them. And I truly despise the guys who are "okay" with it, because being "okay" with watching maletuber collabs and chuuba's who do them is the very definition of a miserable fuck with no self-esteem or respect for himself. It really is a kind of cuckoldry despite the mentioned absence of GFE or actual parasocial stuff. It just feels wrong to watch things like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
I'm not in love with my oshi, and I don't feel any strong desire to fuck in a way that is exceptional or unusual. If males are interacting with her in chat and she's giving obvious priority to particular men then that often times distracts from what I'm watching her for. I'm not watching her to flirt or act like every other woman I've interacted with and seen in daily life. I think it's disgusting that she'd engage in those sorts of things and doubly disgusting if she feels the need to tell everyone about it. It boils down to what I find appealing/entertaining and what I find gross/unfunny. Judging by how other people have responded to this thread my sentiment is a bit weird, but I really don't think the relationship is a personal one.
The type who don't like the idea of an audience having a say in the content they enjoy is weirder to me, especially since these types enjoy bullying other people who typically aren't in a place stable enough to seek other alternatives. To me it's like watching someone kick a puppy for fun. I'm aware this is a business and cultivating more agreeable fans is an important part of the job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38623462
mumei will never love (you)

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
> you're upset if they collab with males
why arent you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
No, not ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38605901
omg, are you, me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38605391
>It's religion
No, modern society has just been atomised to the point that you don't recognise community when you see it anymore. Tribalfaggotry is a natural human inclination and its demonisation has had terrible consequences on the human race.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38626473
baffling statement

[Anonymous No.]

>>38629956
meds

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
I can settle if her roommate have it in her private life, but not if the chuuba herself talks about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38605391
I feel you. It was pretty easy to not give a fuck when it's a chuuba that is established and got plenty of supas and members. When it a small chuuba it feels right to make a difference.
I recently spend 100 bucks on a chuuba, before I caught myself being stupid, thinking about how I could work more to justify paying her more.

[Anonymous No.]

Who would have thought this cute owl girl would be the most parasocial HoloEN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38624930
Bravo and well put. Only homo I am alright with until a leak comes out is Vesper. It feels more like being with a girl and her old man, than a fellow wolf.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38631391
Fuck off homofag. All homos are bad and they shouldn't exist in Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
>Wait, you guys are actually in love with Vtubers?
Why's that unreasonable? It's what men do. They fall in love during the chase.
Women fall in love after sex.
>That's why you're upset if they collab with males, donate to them, and show up in their chats?
First one is bad content, the rest is hurtful behaviour. They do not need to use their vtuber accounts for that, or even their "still anonymous but less anonymous" rm accounts

[Anonymous No.]

>>38624930
Maybe this is why I don't understand the whole parasocial thing.
I simply watch the vtuber, that's it. I do not engage in chat, I do not say anything, I merely spectate, if she's cracking jokes with males and the joke was funny, I laugh too. If she's playing games, I watch for the gameplay.
By not engaging in chat, I am merely a person that saw a street performer and decided to stick around and watch the performance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38632624
>decided to stick around and watch the performance.
That makes sense the first time you watch but not the thousandth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38632679
Why? I enjoyed the performance and want to see more without ever interacting in chat or sending money.
If I didn't enjoy the performance then I would move on to the next one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38632744
It doesn't matter if you're dull and poor, the state of being invested in something is from love.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38632799
Guess I'm cheating on my gf and she's cheating on me when we watch the same vtuber at the same time then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
I'm only a tiny bit in love with Fauna.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38632841
Cheating is just a euphemism for breaking the rules of the relationship, if yours includes not having love for anyone else then I guess so.
You might be able to convince yourself that going to the same street performer all the time is just entertainment but you wouldn't convince other people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38605391
>Vtubing in general is effectively a new form of religion.
Vtubers are idols in the traditional sense, meaning a being to be revered.
Back in Canaanite times, idols were commonplace, and came in all shapes and sizes.
Christianity, which has spread far and wide, has had an anti idol position, but human nature is inherently inclined to idolize. That's why even in Christianity, you have saints, and martyrs, and the mother mary being idolized.
It's no surprise the idol industry originated in Japan, because Japan is notoriously anti-Christian.

As to why idols are so desired, it's borne out of a need of emotional fulfillment. You can't get it from your wife or husband, because they are too down to earth and unmysterious. Likewise, a deity is too intangible. So idols are the outlet. They allow you to do your best in times of hardship, and hold your head high. They inspire and comfort the masses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38632744
lol yea until you are in the vtubing hole for 4 plus years and take a step back and realize that theres maybe a handful and thats being generous that are plausibly entertaining, The rest are just parasites that absorb and lonely fuck with a void in their life bc holy shit the majority of chubbas are just bad thats just the facts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38605495
LMAO goddamn I hate retards, you do realise that historically it wasn't the girl that would choose most of the time? As a dude, if I was interested in a chick, back then the thing to do is to first court her a little, then go to her parents (mainly father) for their blessing and then get married or something.

In other words, the deciding factor was your wealth/station in life and maybe personality if her parents were particularly caring. This all means that historical dating 'strategies' are NOT applicable to the modern age unless you live in a cuckservative shithole, where marriage is bond held together by shame and fear rather than love.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38634095
>back then
when? where?
"Gretna's "runaway marriages" began in 1754 when Lord Hardwicke's Marriage Act came into force in England. Under the Act, if a parent of a person under the age of 21 objected to the minor's marriage, the parent could legally veto the union. The Act tightened the requirements for marrying in England and Wales but did not apply in Scotland, where it was possible for boys to marry at 14 and girls at 12 with or without parental consent (see Marriage in Scotland). It was, however, only in the 1770s, with the construction of a toll road passing through the hitherto obscure village of Graitney, that Gretna Green became the first easily reachable village over the Scottish border.[2]
Scottish law allowed for "irregular marriages", meaning that if a declaration was made before two witnesses, almost anybody had the authority to conduct the marriage ceremony. The blacksmiths in Gretna became known as "anvil priests", culminating with Richard Rennison, who performed 5,147 ceremonies. The local blacksmith and his anvil became lasting symbols of Gretna Green weddings."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gretna_Green
The existance of that law implies the norm is not to get parents permission if you're an adult and before that law passed young adults didn't need permission.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

Love is too strong of a word.
A vtuber must make a simple choice, give attention to chat or give it to maletubers.
Once their choice is made, I react accordingly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38634095
>emotions
holding together a marriage
>love
lmao enjoy getting cheated on/divorcing if you ever end up getting a gf or god forbid a wife

[Anonymous No.]

>>38634095
Societal failures like that are only available if a nation is being propped up from injustices like slavery, successful nations never did such things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38634095
>>38634557
I'd bet most marriages were just from a result of pregnancy. Would have been difficult to avoid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
I wonder too. Is it the character they're playing or the actual person? You know they're not the same thing right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38636831
Most of them don't even really bother roleplaying their character, Anon, they're just themselves most of the time, but with an anime avatar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38605573
Have you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38615171
perfectly sums up my experience, much healthier than being a parasocial faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>38608816
>Asshole tell people what to do just to feel better about themselves again
Now I say you should fuck off, clown

[Anonymous No.]

>>38637205
People who produce content online are never themselves, everything is shown through a filter.
You dont know a thing about them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
I wish I was.
Life would be so easy if I could just turn my brain off and become a paypig for some cute E-girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38609556
Eh let them jerk their penises together in their gay club. Real men focus on chasing his dream woman

[Anonymous No.]

>>38610002
Is that an insult to female entertainer all over the world, incel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38610155
Isn't that what you always do with politicians and celebrities? Don't talk like you're better than anyone

[Anonymous No.]

>>38613718
Westoid always go full moral crusade on something they don't understand. Social media is a great mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>>38637670
>are never themselves
Close, but wrong. They're their idealised selves, which includes what they perceive to be the better parts of their character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38615337
>People start to show their degeneracy in front of "pure maidens" and they forget everything is not real
Found the NEET. Anyone who work know bad customer is inevitable in entertaiment industry. Either deal with it or become a nerd to work on machines.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38624930
Too many word, let me simplified it
>Female stream
>Male viewer come cuz they find her interesting
>Male viewer stick around and follow her
>Female knows this and she rewards them
>Male viewer think their relationship with her is special
>A male collab happen
>People see her being more happy with the male than with her male viewer
>Consoomer (loyal fan) will stay. Tourist (future follower) will leave and unicorn (parasocial follower) will demand her to stop

[Anonymous No.]

>>38608816
>men should love women they can actually exist in the same room with
Maybe they should, but they don't. And that's because love is irrational. What do you not get?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38631391
>a girl and her old man
That excuse could be used on any homo. Change it to her brother, her manager, her coworker, her ancestor, her boss,... etc. All of them have penis

[Anonymous No.]

>>38632624
And you are nothing but a tourist. You never bring her any benefit except a tiny number. You said you enjoy her but don't do anything to support her. Fake and gay. You won't miss her if she gone.
Engagement boost her algorhithm. Fan dicussion boost her popularity. A true fan wish his girl the best and do whatever he can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38634095
Shut up, virgin. You limp dick don't even have confident so you have to rely on wealth/status. I bet you never give any girl a dream

[Anonymous No.]

>>38638094
>idealised selves
You didn't know a thing about serving customer, did you? You want to be success you give customer what they want even though you hate that shit. Idealized self never improve itself cuz it's already perfect and become obsolete over time

[Anonymous No.]

>>38639359
Dumb ESL, I wouldn't expect you to get the finer points of human interaction anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38639517
Eat shit white supremacist prick, you will never figure shit out on your own if you don't pull your head out your ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>38639705
Figure out how to speak english on an english board

[Anonymous No.]

>>38639748
Keep that idealized shit for urself. The world is changing and you're losing, NEET

[Anonymous No.]

>>38629851
>community
Anon, a church IS a community. The two things are not exclusive. The similarity with religion comes with the fact that most of the people in this community are chasing a delusion because it makes them feel better about their sad lives. That's also what most religions are about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38640847
Euphoric

[Anonymous No.]

>>38634655
This, wawa cute wife.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38633709
highest iq selenposter

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604572
lol, how old are you? You realize people have crushes on Hollywood celebrities they're never going to see IRL too, right? Even normalfags understand that much.
It's okay buddy, there's treatment available for autism like yours these days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
No, I am in love with anime characters. I don't love roommates and wished they voice acted a decent character. I hate it when vtubers start thinking the character is actually themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
never

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
of course

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
I literally don't care if my oshi collabs with a male.
Just hearing her cute voice and her laugh is all I need to hear when I watch her. That and she makes me feel happy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38640957
I was raised Christian and I wish I still believed, but nice try

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604572
>Why would I emotionally invest in a girl I'll never even be able to touch
the state of today's youths.... corrupted by lust and propaganda

[Anonymous No.]

>>38651701
>I literally don't care if my oshi collabs with a male.
But anon, that means they're having sex. Everyone on /vt/ will agree on it unless it happens to their oshi too

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
What would be this place's reaction if Mumei legitimaly asked that onstream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
Yes now leave me alone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38653856
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1ojUmdF42U

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
My oshi gives me drive to find a gf similar to her

[Anonymous No.]

>>38654890
How's that going for you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>38634095
>In other words, the deciding factor was your wealth/station in life and maybe personality if her parents were particularly caring.
Sounds good to me. Love shouldn't be a factor in marriage. Having children is a societal duty not some artsy fartsy shit about muh feelings

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604351
there's a logical fallacy here

[Anonymous No.]

>>38655146
Ok, got with a few OL hags but nothing too serious came out of it
All of them were jp, and really kind though but they were worried about taking a westerner home to their parents
One was pretty similar to Mio

[Anonymous No.]

>>38608100
>imagining there's even so much as a snowball's chance in hell
rumao, the delusions

[Anonymous No.]

>>38624930
This is a very impressive level of delusional. You're like some old woman getting angry and yelling at the tv over soap opera stories. Male collab or not, you are an outside observer. You are an audience member. You are not special, you have no control, and it's arrogant to imagine that you do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38604080
Kinda
I hate pretty much everything about vtubers but I keep coming back because I need to hear fauna's voice