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38346097 No.38346097 [Reply] [Original]

These two have the same 2D modeler (Brian Tsui), yet Gura's is garbage (despite being the biggest vtuber on the planet) while Haruka's is amazing. In fact, all the Hololive models he's done (Irys, Ina, Risu) are markedly inferior to his non-Hololive models, so I'm forced to conclude Cover is either impeding him somehow or not paying him enough to care. Wtf Yagoo?

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38346198

>>38346097
>Gura garbage
What your problem anon

>> No.38346256

>>38346198
>3D
I said 2D you fucking dyslexic. Also she barely uses the 3D.

>> No.38346277

>>38346097
with hololive you have no option but to use their proprietary outdated fucking garbage software and tools

>> No.38346287

>gura
simpol
>noname
overdesigned. Get bent

>> No.38346305

>>38346097
The real reason is Cover's 2018 tier software.
Every indie uses VTube studio but Cover's software has horrible physics and tracking ability is vastly inferior, making the expressions look clunky and the model move weird. Look at the previews Brian uploaded of the rigging he's done for Hololive. The models are shown in VTube Studio and they look leagues better and smoother.
https://youtu.be/AFBGROUD9ag
https://youtu.be/aqXRPJ1b5os

>> No.38346319

>>38346198
>3D
Kys

>> No.38346337

Soul vs soulless

>> No.38346353

>>38346097
>Brian Tsui
He's the rigger you fucking assclown unicorn piece of shit.

>> No.38346364

>>38346097
Brian only made atlantis and new year costumes.
Yes. The base is still made by Shin Umiushi

>> No.38346378

>>38346097
Cover most likely works through email chain and Haruka was most likely through discord with the artist and rigger so they could get all the revisions they need. Also as corporate there is a hard timeframe it needs to be done by
its not hat hard to understand

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38346402

>>38346337
Pure Jap-worshiping cope

>> No.38346403

>>38346097
Haruka's rigging...was not done by Brian Tsui...it was done by Onions, a different member of Iron Vertex...

>> No.38346457

>>38346403
Brian Tsui runs Iron Vertex anon

>> No.38346539

>>38346097
I was gonna correct you, but this bait is so blatant that I'm just gonna give the (You) and move on.

>> No.38347123

>>38346457
Retard, it doesn't mean he does EVERY rigging. There's multiple people. He just normally handles big names due to the money.

>> No.38347151

why are holo rigs so shit

>> No.38347282

>>38346097
Hololive uses their own software, which is behind on tech.

>> No.38347400

>>38347151
hololive is a corporation that needs to have everything done on a deadline that was decided somewhere between 6-12 months before the model is even conceptualized and that means they dont always get the privilege to choose which riggers to hire based on availability

>> No.38347522

>>38347282
That could be one of the reasons too, but I remember seeing a twitter message from a rigger saying that indie models are much more complex because they can wait for them until they get finished, there's no deadline set. So they can work on it for much longer.

>> No.38347556

>>38346353
The rigger is what brings it to life. Without the rigger, you get a PNG. You will worship the hands of the rigger that bring your oshi to life or you will find your goldfish all suddenly have diarrhea mysteriously.

>> No.38347632

>>38347522
That's another factor, yeah. With corporate deadlines you can easily just end up doing a good enough job, if you don't want to stress yourself out - without a deadline and with more direct communication to the vtuber it's easier to feel ambitious about improving one more thing.

>> No.38347655

>>38347522
>wait for them until they get finished, there's no deadline set. So they can work on it for much longer.
>5 models
>11 months between myth and council
>11 months between council and tempus
>it's all still shit
??

>> No.38347677

>>38347400
>don't always get the privilege to choose
Okay this is bull. Every rigger would want to work on a Hololive model because of the massive exposure it gives them. Cover is just cheap and obnoxious and uses shit ass software. With all the alleged profits Hololive / Cover has made over the last few years, they could easily afford top tier highly rigged models for every girl, outfits every other day, and numerous stream interactive innovations. They don't do any of that because they don't care and because people watch their dogshit models because blue dorito. Seriously, why innovate and change when they don't have to. You'll watch it anyway.

>> No.38347716

i thought harukas rigging was kinda weird looking, idk the boobs and hair were just spazzing out so hard at the slightest movement

>> No.38347721

>>38347677
brian is literally one of the top three live2d riggers in existence right now, i dont think he needs holo exposure for anything

>> No.38347761

>>38347721
all the more reason that says its cover's app that's the problem and not the rigging itself.

>> No.38348009

>>38347721
But there are other riggers out there. Silvervale's newest model was done by a guy named Kevin, whom nobody had ever heard of before (he also did Yuri with PC's new model) and it is fucking fantastic. There are lots of talented riggers out there. But, it's still Cover / Hololive, most riggers will make time for them. They're the biggest dog in the business. Snubbing them is not a good idea.

>> No.38348016

>>38347761
The app translates tracking data. NOTHING MORE. Rigging and Physics ARE on the model files.
>>38347716
This is because her tracking setup is bad. A lot of EN Vtubers don't understand the concept of PROPER LIGHTING lol.
>t. Rigger

>> No.38348063

>>38348016
>The app translates tracking data. NOTHING MORE. Rigging and Physics ARE on the model files.
so you're saying one of the best indie riggers on the planet right now with a huge portfolio of amazing work on indies while getting paid by the biggest vtuber company in the world rigged a shit version of their most successful chuuba.

>> No.38348066

>>38348016
Showcase your work, rigger. I wanna see it. I'm not saying this to be a tard or bait, I fucking love watching the work riggers do and would love to know more about how shit works.

>> No.38348181

>>38348016
>The app translates tracking data. NOTHING MORE. Rigging and Physics ARE on the model files.
Yeah, badly

>> No.38348430

>>38346097
Ok now KISS

>> No.38349023

>all these people who have no idea what the fuck they're talking about
All Brain did was try and salvage the dogshit rigging that Gura's original useless rigger shin umiushi did. It's always going to look like jank shit until she gets a brand new one done

>> No.38349338

>>38346337
agreed gura's model is kinda soulless

>> No.38349449

>>38346097
The cost of forcing artists to comply with the design decisions of retarded vtubers.

>> No.38349584

>>38346277
I like Gura's 3D though, it's so good.

>> No.38349874

Brian only did some portions of gura's newer outfit, specifically only the new items like the hair and clothes. The body is still umishit. He avoids touching other riggers work as much as possible as a union rule or something.
Everyone knows gura needs a top to bottom rerig but it's not gonna happen unless she pushes for it, and I don't think she cares that much.

>> No.38350048

>>38347123
Well, ok. If so, there’s no way Tsui would allow something done by his company be worse than something done by him personally unless factors beyond his control (like Cover) were to blame. The main point still stands.

>> No.38350662

>>38346305
This might be a factor, even though they use the same middleware (Apple ARKit + Live2D), the integration can matter.

I also don't really know why they still insist on using it (same as Niji). They intended to kinda market the hololive app with the holos, but then it never came out.

But it might also be simply time and budget. Haruka is the owner of her model, so she might have simply put more money into it, than what Cover allocates for their talents.

>> No.38350968

>>38349584
that's fair, her 3D is super cute and best of her gen by far

>> No.38351982

>>38346097
>despite being the biggest vtuber on the planet
That's why she'll never get a new one.
It's too iconic, and her fans are not the brightest, so it would cause a great deal of confusion.

>> No.38352241

>>38346097
isn't brian only did irys's new outfit? gooruh rigger are shin umiushi

>> No.38353124

>>38346097
Reminder that Brian had discord sex with IRyS
https://youtu.be/2Z4JOEJDxog?t=19566

>> No.38353243

Did everyone just fucking forget that they had different rigging to start with, and that Brian Tsui and the others had to work with such shitty initial rigging?

>> No.38353353

>>38350968
Reminder that we still haven't seen Ina's 3D tentacles

>> No.38353431

>>38349874
>He avoids touching other riggers work as much as possible as a union rule or something.
this is wrong because gura's new outfit model had clearly visible gaps where the meshes weren't even deformed properly to hide the voids in the art. after brain worked on it the gaps were covered but shit like the floating ears were so obviously slapped last minute that not even brian could fix it.

>> No.38353868

>>38346337
you will never blow job

>> No.38360199

not my problem

>> No.38360545

Money perhaps? Vshojo payed Brian top dollar for Harukas and cover cheaped out?

>> No.38366306

>>38346097
ugly

>> No.38366517

>>38346097
Brian didn't rig Gura's original model. He rigged her third one.

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