Let's be honest about these auditions

[Anonymous No.]

Yes, the vshojo auditions were an abortion that couldn't be saved by the coat hanger.

Yes, there was a high expectation they were being used as a cover to hire their well known orbiters "legitimately" like Snuffy and Haruka rather than have them in a few months later like veibae.

Yes, 2views were always going to seethe that they never actually got someone away from the clique into the company. These 2views should have just tried their luck at small corpos instead.

But what exactly would have been the best approach overall? Should they have not done the auditions? Should they have just publicly cancelled them? Did they expect people would just forget about them?

Also I don't think many are actually mad at Haruka. It's the company overall for doing these auditions and not doing anything surprising with them. Haruka won't get people to watch the rest of vshojo though.

[Anonymous No.]

Should have never done them it would have avoided this whole situation with no real downside. The current situation has hurt their reputation in the community probably more then they'll realize for a while. Will it matter to viewers tho? Probably not kek

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>>38341893
The best approach would have been to just hire Haruka without putting on a show.

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>>38341893
>Let's be honest
What? No. If we were being honest, it'd be clear there's nothing wrong with the best applicant for the job being selected. We have to stretch the truth to make this catalog fodder retard

[Anonymous No.]

Am I the only one who isn't a retard and understands that Haruka isn't the only person who passed the auditions?
It seemed heavily implied that there are more members coming soon

[Anonymous No.]

I don't like the company but I respect that they know what they want and aren't leaving it up to chance and to get in everyone else has to like you and share history. Look at what happened in Council. Everyone just took Ina's word that Sana was committed and ran with it. They probably should have ran with "applications accepted." Auditions suggests there's a chance someone outside their circle is getting in. It signaled to every 2view that they had a chance.

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>>38342195
I got an email yesterday that heavily implies that I'll be getting in. Can confirm

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>>38342237
>Auditions suggests there's a chance someone outside their circle is getting in.
There is.
>It signaled to every 2view that they had a chance.
It's just obviously not gonna be some 2view lmao. If someone outside of their circle gets selected they probably are gonna be someone who is small but still consistently successful enough that they can stream for a living.

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>>38342164
>best applicant
Do you really think there's a review process? There is none buddy. They are just hiring friends and of-course Kson and Rushia because they were big Hololive earners.

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>>38342195
Got an email yesterday too that i will be accepted

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>>38342102
My rrat is they didn't want to trigger something about Haruka emotionally by asking her to join directly, so they made a sham audition just to check if she was actively interested enough to join to send an audition tape. If Haruka didn't apply they would have quietly shelved the whole thing with no debuts.

[Anonymous No.]

they just really shouldn't have bothered with the whole audition thing

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>>38341893
I always expected Vshojo to just assimilate their biggest indie orbiters since that's what they did from day one. No idea why they even bothered with pretend-auditions.

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>>38342444
That sounds like Haruka's going to be a nightmare to work with if that was what it took to get her onboard.

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>>38341893
>being used as a cover to hire their well known orbiters "legitimately"
What's the point of that? Vsluts have been invite-only since day 1 and they're all e-famous, nobody cares about legitimacy. The most plausible rat imo is that after the drama drama they just decided to shelve auditions quietly.

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>>38342074
>More than they realize for a while
How so?

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>>38342569
This

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>>38342660
Did you not see her have a complete breakdown on the debut stream that 3 different vshojos called in to calm her down? Anyway with all the collabs she's done with vs they know better than us how she will be to work with.

[Anonymous No.]

Reminds me exactly of corporations posting jobs for legal reasons only when they have already hired internally. Real scummy behavior.

[Anonymous No.]

She wasn’t even going to apply. She was convinced to by some of the members, and she was chosen because she was the most qualified.

[Anonymous No.]

The funniest part is all of this time after auditions finished just to hire 1 with friends favoritism LMFAO

Like not even 2 or 4 just 1 and had to be an autistic moose, that's sad for a so called company that looks for promote for their vsluts freedom of speech. Once again relevant or not Nux was right and I'm glad to support independent vtubers and not these excuses of just bait content bro just Soo fucking fubar

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>>38343150
More members are coming according to mouse. So it sounds like they did choose more than 1, they’re spacing the reveals out.

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>>38342940
Seeing how many people are talking publicly about how pissed they are about auditions it's safe to say they're pretty pissed. People brown nose vsj constantly so for them to finally have fucked up bad enough that people don't care what they think anymore is wild.

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>>38343195
Doubtful this sounds like copium at best

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>>38343195
That makes sense but in a sense of expect more favoritism picks from their closed circle because at this point it's just plain obvious none of the next reveals are going to be small or brand new vtubers. Which makes more sense of these auditions just to pick the ones with settled stream numbers on twitch or maybe even to bet on YouTube views on demand.

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>>38343377
No small vtuber will ever get in. It’s just like any other job, the most qualified who applies gets the job. Haruka was the most qualified.

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>>38343195
The problem is though if it ends up being another known orbiter like snuffy, geega or giri it will just cause more upset again.

If they had a more unknown person to debut they should have done them firstly, not haruka.

[Anonymous No.]

Where does this idea that they were gonna hire some unknown rando come from?

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>>38343573
Because they held auditions

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>>38341893
>auditions

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>>38343557
I would rather any of those get in over an unknown

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>>38342074
Fpbp

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>>38343644
Did the 2view randos forget that view /lig/s would be applying too?

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>>38343573
Because they held auditions that said any size would be considered

[Anonymous No.]

anybody who cares about this is retarded. 2views are free to put in the same amount of time, effort, and hard work as haruka did to get where she is today. all of the 2view screeching from 2views and "vtweeters" is hilarious

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>>38344774
i'm sure they were considered. the majority of them probably sucked. there's nothing surprising about a talented vtuber who's put a lot of time and effort into her work getting chosen because why would they choose somebody who doesn't know what they're doing over somebody who does?

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>>38341893
If anything, the average ccv of vtubers are part of their auditions.
So anyone with less than 2k ccv can stop trying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38344900
"what do you mean i have to prove i can hold an audience already? you aren't just giving me a spot at vshojo because i asked nicely and i made a cute video?"

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>>38344890
I don't think anyone is mad haruka got in. If they are they're just idiots I think people are mad that it took this long, it was one person, the whole nux shit, etc all resulted in someone that they could have just hired without wasting everyone's time.

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>>38343573
2views

>>38343644
guess what the point of auditions generally is? to find the best candidate. i know, it's a shocking concept

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>>38342660
People with autism are vulnerable to sensory overload. She could barely handle the debut stream, if she'd been straight-up asked to join out of the blue she might well have said no to spare herself the immediate stress.

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>>38344900
damn you didn't have to call out Iluna like that

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>>38344968
it's technically more professional that they did hold auditions. this is common in just about every industry; even if people have a few ideas of people they might want for a job they still post openings anyway to give other people a CHANCE to be considered. note the key word: chance

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>>38342850
it's hiring 101. you generally host interviews and do job postings even if you already have candidates you're interested

[Anonymous No.]

2views are just seething that they can't do better than a literal fucking autist

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>>38345031
Again if they held auditions then haruka debut like 6 months later I feel like no one would have been mad. Or at least far less people. It's the sum of everything that was the fuck up

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>>38345088
I think vshojo just needs to hire more people to handle behind the scenes things. I think they still have a small amount of staff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38345198
i think they have around 18 staff members

[Anonymous No.]

fucking hypocrites
you guys loooooove incest until it pertains to hiring practices

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know why anyone would want to join Vshojo in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38345689
Sponsorships, merch, support for projects you want to do.

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>>38342074
>The current situation has hurt their reputation in the community
Nobody cares about the opinions of salty 2views that anyone with a functioning brain can see, are resorting to mental gymnastics to justify their retarded rrats about how haruka had to have been hired because of nepotism, and not because of the fact that she has better credentials than any of the small indies who applied do
Their entire logic hinges on the fact that in their mind, there's no possibility vshojo were holding auditions in good faith, despite there being zero basis to show them as being deceitful for who gets picked from the audition process

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>>38345689
>why would someone want to join a talent agency
Because being a successful indie requires knowing the right people, putting in a lot of time (often tedious) on logistical crap, and having deep fucking pockets.

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>>38345023
Iluna mostly had dead subs - not saying it wasn't a FAT number hire gen, but it wasn't as insane as vShojo.
If you had 2k ccv, you would have no reason to join a corpo, unless you have friends in there who can give you benefits.

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>>38341893
They should have just kept recruiting successful streamers they got along with, like Vei and Haruka. Vshojo is founded on the principle of headhunting the top talents on twitch and congregating them under one banner for maximum leverage. It's exactly like a streamer agency or MCN. Pretending they were looking for rando 2-views as a....PR stunt? was utterly pointless.

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>>38341893
So were these auditions the same ones that got clowned on by that “hacker” earlier from Brazil?

[Anonymous No.]

What does vshojo actually do for their streamers? I understand joining holo or niji if you're an established streamer. I understand joining vshojo or a small corpo if you're a 2view. But what the fuck is the point of joining vshojo if you're an established streamer?

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>>38346942
>>38345920

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>>38342074
They didn't realize all 2views willing to apply for them are shit until they started going through applications. Finding and cultivating new talent is a lot harder than just signing up already successful talent.

[Anonymous No.]

I think this is my favorite vtuber drama of all time now, as it is literally nothing but seething jealousy and tribalfaggotry.

[Anonymous No.]

Just not opening auditions you weren’t going to hire from would be the simple answer.

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>>38344073
Why tho? What changes for you if Haruka is in VShojo or not? I know it's an advantage for her, but what changes from the viewer's point of view?

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>>38349235
It’s just more hype. Who would be excited if some literal who joins?

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>>38349339
Yes because it’s fresh and unexpected, while there is nothing of note when someone who already hangs out with them regularly joins. The dynamic changing would be interesting, at least

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>>38346942
They give you a get out of jail free card when you yab or actually get banned from twitch.

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>>38349411
I don’t want the dynamic to change. I already know haruka has great chemistry with all of them. It also makes more sense for vshojo to choose her just for business reasons.

[Anonymous No.]

randoms with 5 max viewers are retarded for thinking they ever had a shot, even when vsojo was smaller back then. but vsojo is still shitty for being so blatantly deceptive and wasting everyone's time. genuinely can't wait to see the next nepotism hire for even more drama and seething. everyone in the English side of vtubing would suck off vshojo at any given chance as if they were the only envtubers worthy of attention outside of holo and niji. hopefully this creates an opening for smaller more interesting vtubers to get attention.

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>>38342074
This. Its why even though its like general knowledge, no one was really mad at the creation of Hololive Gamers because Cover just decided to create it for Fubuki. If they held auditions for it or have it be just another gen but somehow only people who are friends with Fubuki got accepted? Would have pissed people off.

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>>38341893
The best approach would have been to fire everyone and shut down the company.

[Anonymous No.]

VShojo has always been more of a VIP club for popular Twitch vtubers and their friends rather than a real company anyway. The management does anything and they barely interact with each other. There's no real reason to join; if you want to leech viewers just DM the tts dragon and ask him if you could join a Mario Kart collab. Being in with VShojo essentially just means you're friends with the cool kids.

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>>38342195
Got accepted yesterday

[Anonymous No.]

>vshojo should have foreseen the future and knew that Haruka would be the best applicant and then cancelled the auditions and hired her without auditioning instead
this is literally what you vtweeters sound like

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>>38352202
Tell your boss that next time he can just invite the clique members through email instead of wasting everyone's time

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>>38352430
Just work harder 2view. You’ll get there some day.

[Anonymous No.]

Is this the final nail in the coffin for VShojo-indie relations? First the applicants got doxxed and now they reveal that the auditions were basically smoke and mirrors. How are indies reacting to this?

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>>38352737
The only indies that matter don’t give a shit

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>>38352430
seething

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>>38345064

This. It's an aggravating process especially for the people who actually apply thinking they had a shot but every corpo does this shit without exception.

Their cover is that it's not TECHNICALLY dishonest. If some random affable super-genius with a PHD in Twitch Streaming and 10k+ CCV who wants to work for peanuts happens to apply then good, they'll hire that chick maybe. Otherwise they already know who they want.

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>>38352767
>the clique members are okay with the clique's actions
No shit

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>>38352899
Show me an indie with clout that cares

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>>38341893
If it was purely to hire their friends through nepotism then why was Snuffy rejected?

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>>38352962
Snuffy will be the next debut

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>>38353023
I’m sure she will be if she applies on time the next time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>38345689
Vshojo started in the first place as just a random label for a group of indies. They originally became an legal corporation to coordinate merchandising deals and have someone other than the vtubers themselves handle it. Given how much merch makes up a vtuber’s profits, that makes sense.
TL;DR: money.

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>>38343047
That was a fairly normal reaction from a human being after being extremely happy they achieved something in life. Especially a woman. Shit, mouse cries more on stream than her.

Perhaps you just don't experience emotions and are some kind of sociopath.

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>>38352951
Any indie with a brain would know not involve themselves with drama involving a major corpo

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>>38346465
I don’t really know if they were the ones doing the pretending, anon. It’s not that hard to figure out, and I’m pretty sure when vshojo first started they all made it pretty clear what vshojo was and why it was started.
The 2views just deluded themselves into thinking otherwise. The only explanation I can think of that they wouldn’t do the research, realize what’s going on, and apply to a small corpo instead is delusion and greed.

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>>38353067
They literally went out of their way to make sure she could apply late because they knew she was sick and had no issues with that. Haruka just beat her in the end. Beat Anny too.

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>>38341893
>should they ahve not done auditions
yes, if it was set in stone who they were gonna pick, having a charade of open auditions is pretty bullshit

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>>38353495
It wasn’t set in stone though

[Anonymous No.]

I hope snuffy gets in next so there can be more seethe

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>>38353495
>if it was set in stone who they were gonna pick
If that was true Snuffy wouldn't have been turned away. Haruka just won and 1 views can't handle it.

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>>38353824
Snuffy being selected would’ve caused just as much drama

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>>38341893
They are really trying some ''smash bros'' strategy where people are supposed to get hyped that some big shots will join vshojo, is not a bad idea but the fact that they opened auditions for everyone once will always make people mad and call it nepotism

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>>38354101
People are dumb for not realizing they snuffy lost despite Snuffy saying she lost, and Anny saying she lost. People literally lost in order for Haruka to win.

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>>38353023
Most likely going to happen

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>>38354101
Pretty much. Maybe they only had space for one orbiter, because two would have brought serious backlash. Both of them were the obvious orbiter picks.

>>38354227
But at the same point, a lot of people got upset about Snuffy getting rejected. Who's to say they changed their mind and are letting her in outside of auditions?

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>>38343195
>More members are coming
Do you really believe that? I don’t think it’ll happen without vshojo overhyping shit for another month

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>>38354472
Maybe they will, maybe they won't, the point is if it was such a sham, they wouldn't have had to lose in order to have a winner in the first place.

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>>38354775
I mean they’ve added three within a year…so yes I do

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>>38354775
So what are the made up rules on new members for you? A month part is 2 long? Too much hype isn't ok?

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>>38354775
Well recently mouse said there was going to be new members and they just got a new member, so yes I really believe that.

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>>38343505
Other companies pick up people off the streets with no experience and they turn into stars.

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>>38354913
Kson is also an orbiter and Nazuna was basically just because of Kson, but she still counts as someone completely new to the group

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>>38354775
They certainly won't be new members. VShojo is a shit brand that can't actually build up talent.

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>>38341893
You don't need to do auditions just because the other companies do them too. They could have just scouted or poached talents like they did with the jp members instead of this whole embarassing drama.

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>>38341893
>Vshojo "audition"
It's your 2view fault for expecting more from these shitters.

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>>38355868
so what? emulating japanese business practices is a sure path to failure and sorrow

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>>38341893
>caring

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>>38355868
Vshojo isn’t the same as niji and holo. So far with the exception of nazuna, they’ve been taking on already established vtubers.

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>>38341893
not my problem

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>>38360957
Nazuna is literally also an ex-Holo like Kson

[Anonymous No.]

>>38365961
meds

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>>38365961
Yet she is not as popular

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>>38365961
Yet haruka is more popular than her