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How do we save the western vtubing scene?

>> No.38031615
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38031615

hire japanese girls who speak english

>> No.38031633

Only Gura can do it.... By taking down Mori and becoming the true idol for all other chuubas to look up to.

>> No.38031654

>>38031555
You don't it's time to let go and let it decline and once it does for a brief time there will be a new golden age of true fans.

>> No.38031709
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>>38031555
Trust in the shork plan.

>> No.38031714

>>38031633
Gura "Streams 4 times a month" Gawr?
She's not even bad, she's entertaining, but what the hell is up with the work ethic of HoloEN?
Constant breaks often with no given reason, bad or no communication, dropped series left and right.

>> No.38031746

>>38031555
Correct the talents. IRL

>> No.38031749

>>38031555
>Stop judging it by Japanese standards
>Accept cultural differences and appeals exist
>Don't complain about "MALE ON STREAM" incidents

Literally, it's that simple.

>> No.38031848

>>38031555
After 90k on IRyS 2.0, you can see that there is still a demand for EN Vtubers.
Need to debut EN3 that are actually talented and stream

>> No.38031876

>>38031633
>>38031709
Gura is the Shaq O'Neil of vtubing, has the power to be the greatest of all time period but does not have the work ethic for it so she has reached her peak, one say someone hungry for the top will overcome her.

>> No.38031969

>>38031749
Just don't stream with males and there won't be "incidents." Simple as.

>> No.38032007

>>38031749
Fag

>> No.38032166

>>38031749
why would i accept something that is obviously inferior? encouraging mediocrity is not a good thing

>> No.38032283
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38032283

The savior of western v-tubing has already arrived.

>> No.38032309

>>38032283
Nobody but her fans really care about this chubba

>> No.38032329

>>38031555
Watch more small corpos!

>> No.38032366

>>38031555
by doing the opposite of >>38031615. get rid of all asians.

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>>38031555
>how do we save someone who lost a leg, both of their arms and acts like assholes?
you simply don't and forget about them, let them die naturally for your own good
>>38031749
>Stop judging it by Japanese standards
thats usually a code for "please accept and consoom massively inferior version of the original!"
heard that too many times from niggers defending dogshit localization in games and some movies

>> No.38032700

>>38031749
>>38032366
>le heckin mysogynist Japanese culture

>> No.38032734

>>38032647
To be fair there are a lot bad Japanese Vtubers as well but they aren't that well documented to the vtuber fandoms. Its just easier to meme on the western ones.

>> No.38032788

>>38031749
worked so well for nijisanji right, iluna doing so great

>> No.38032795

>>38031555
Purge all Western streaming culture elements from it. So much cancer can be traced back to people wanting vtubing to be just like streaming on twitch.

>> No.38032891

>>38031555
do the opposite of >>38032795. vtubing has too much bloat that can be traced back to when it was mostly pre recorded videos that no longer has any place since it's now mostly streaming, or never had a point in the first place. what vtubing needs is to trim the fat.

>> No.38032920

>>38031749
It's a Japanese medium. Posts like this is why the 'degradation of a hobby' thing gets posted so often and why the "last samurais" call western vtubing trash at it's core.

>>38032734
Man I wonder why they're not well documented. It couldn't be that they just have no sizable following that will defend anything they do.

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>>38031615
this

>> No.38032963

>>38032920
>Man I wonder why they're not well documented. It couldn't be that they just have no sizable following that will defend anything they do.
No, because the Japanese media don't like to document their own failures unless its posted on some chan site far more obscure than this one.

>> No.38033001

>>38031555
Can't. It was a firecracker. It exploded. How fun. Now we're left with the stink of burnt gunpowder and a bit of trash.

>> No.38033061

>>38032920
>It's a Japanese medium
mediums do not belong to individual nations.

>> No.38033098

>>38032309
this is probably the stupidest fucking comeback i've ever seen. no shit only the people who like something care about it you retard.

>> No.38033102

>>38032963
What is this "Japanese media" you're talking about? Which Western media outlets are documenting shit western vtubers for being failures?

>> No.38033180

>>38033061
>>38033102
Fuck off, faggot.

>> No.38033205

>>38033061
Yes they do. Western internet is obsessed with face reveals and faceless streamers are rarely relevant.

>> No.38033336

>>38032891
This. The basic content outline for a vtuber should be reacting to youtube videos for 10 hours a day and not some gay shit like trying to be an anime character.

>> No.38033411

>>38033336
Well, good thing that some of the most popular vtubers on twitch already do exactly that. Clearly that success should be copied to everywhere else.

>> No.38033467

>>38033411
>tfw no Hentai VTuber

>> No.38033468

>>38033411
anon... he was being sarcastic, you absolute retard...

>> No.38033482

>>38031749
I don't know why you twitter fags still believe this when every vtuber that does this is bleeding income.

>> No.38033525

unironically graduate all the whores

>> No.38033544

>>38033468
So was the other anon, anon... you got double meme'd.

>> No.38033562

>>38033468
So was I. Welcome to endless layers of irony where nothing is real.

>> No.38033581

>>38031555
Ignore the whores and numbers and drama and find your own small communities centered around the streamers you enjoy.

>> No.38033584

The scene doesn't need saving, you do, stop getting insecure about men, and you'll save yourself.

>> No.38033586

>>38033482
good. if they're only in it for the money they shouldn't be vtubing. whether or not they collab with males is an excelent litmus test for whether or not they're only in it for the money.

>> No.38033622

>>38033467
>He lacks wisdom

>> No.38033652

>>38033622
>if you like sex you can't be wise
Explains why only morons like you breed.

>> No.38033663

>>38033544
now that you mentioned it, i assumed that >>38033411 was being sarcastic in disagreement, the same way >>38033336 was. but he might have been sarcastic to play along with him, and in that case i'm the retard.

>> No.38033677

>>38033525
The purge can’t come soon enough

>> No.38033688

>>38033663
Anon... you should have just claimed you were being sarcastic...

>> No.38033697

>>38033652
i just can't tell anymore.

>> No.38033768

>>38033688
nah. sincerity is underrated.

>> No.38034013

>>38033102
Imagine being such an EOP normie that you don't read Vtuber スタエル magazine...

>> No.38034100

Fire Gura and Ina for lazyness
Fire Mori for doxfagging
Fire Kronii for insulting idol culture

>> No.38034183

>>38032959
when will they come back?

>> No.38034194

>>38031633
She must become....Korone

>> No.38034416

>>38034183
they won't. their parents are setting up arranged marriages for them.

>> No.38034481

>>38034416
yeah, with each other

>> No.38034640

>>38032283
Ami is cute, but her appeal, besides her singing skills, is very limited, plus she's stuck in fucking Tsunderia.

>> No.38034705

>>38031555
Firstly, make me the owner, president, CEO and 100% shareholder how Sony...

>> No.38034728

>>38034416
no...

>> No.38034732
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38034732

>Just annihilate your own income to own the incels yass qween go!
>What do you mean watch your streams, who has time for that?
>Buy your merch? Sorry sis that's for gross parasocial nerds!
>In fact I think you disrespected my favorite male vtuber SEA pedophile/Twitch grifter so I'm going to spam your doxx all over the internet!
>That's what you get for talking back to my DADDY you whore!

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>>38031876
She has severe ADHD, I don't think it can be healed before she quits Hololive even if she tried to.
Also there are some things where she gets cockblocked by management that probably demotivate her a lot. Yeah, other girls do fine with those anyway, but we're talking about Gura.

>> No.38034860

>>38031555
Stop giving a shit about "saving" it as a whole and just watch the vtubers you enjoy

>> No.38034887

>>38034732
least unhinged /vt/ user.

>> No.38034903

>>38031555
more male vtubers

>> No.38034906

>>38031555
You don't. Westeners will receive what they deserve.

>> No.38034928

>>38034860
This is /vt/ everyone has their own narrative here.

>> No.38034935

>>38034860
sixty-first post best post.

>> No.38034968

>>38031876
>one say someone hungry for the top will overcome her.
I don't think a western vtuber is capable of that at this point. Not before she reclines to 4 digits

>> No.38034976

>>38034906
See? Like this one and the one before this one and so many others.

>> No.38034998

>>38031555
I can't watch any of them since they all stream in the middle of the night for me.

>> No.38035024

>>38034968
Western or Eastern at this point.

>> No.38035064

>>38034998
>he doesn't build his sleep schedule around when the vtubers he watches are streaming
ngmi

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>>38035064
Unlike the Holos I actually have to work for a living.

>> No.38035128

>>38031555
You can't, twitch culture is infiltrating and growing over it at an alarming speed
In 2 years it will all be twitch thots

>> No.38035140

>>38032366
Based. Asian girls are pick mes at best and incredibly basic at that. We need more white weebs.

>> No.38035295

>>38035140
>white
based
>weebs
cringe
we need white girls who don't know the first thing about japan or japanese culture but found out about vtubing, decided it looked fun, and tried it earnestly, not just to make a quick buck or to grift anyone, but just because she genuinely thought she'd enjoy it.

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>>38031615
Sup, Brian

>> No.38035543

>>38034887
Cope. The damage male vtubers and the Twitch culture they brought with them did to NijiEN is well-documented, and was known before Tempus dropped and did the same fucking thing to HoloEN, albeit writ small since they thankfully flopped instead of going viral like Luxiem did.

At this point encouraging female vtubers to play along with this model is no longer just naive but downright malicious.

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>>38031555
Leave it to the jews

>> No.38035900

>>38035543
>but my oshi well only make 10 times as much as me instead of 11 times as much as me!
>and she's a greedy whore only in it for the money so i know how much that means to her!
kys.

>> No.38035982

>>38031555
the answer is the extended ninaverse

>> No.38036214

>>38035900
>if you won't collab with my Twitch grifters, you're a greedy whore!
lol
lmao

>> No.38036267

>>38036214
if you're only reason for not collabing with male vtubers is because you're afraid your fans will throw less money at you you're a greedy whore.

>> No.38037303

>>38031555
Hiring competent managers and staff in Cover and firing the lazy retard ones

>> No.38037458

>>38031714
I do wonder if dogshit perms-getters, dumb management cancelling/not going through with projects at the last minute, turning them back on, and having crazy japanese-timezone meetings forced might be giving her a bunch of mental anguish. Not a real excuse for not streaming, but perhaps why she's the way she is. Given her pre-history, seems it's also how she is though.

>> No.38037852

>>38037458
i unironically think she had a bit of a fallout with management over tempus and possibly something she does on stream (mockingly: 'you are a brand risk gura')
and now she's throwing to get back at whoever.

>> No.38038211

>>38037852
Those morons actually called Gura the brand risk.

>> No.38038350

>>38031555
I believe in /asp/ they will save us.

>> No.38038352

Stop complaining about what you don't like and support what you do. If Japanese culture is so superior in your mind, go learn moon and stalk slant eyes instead, faggot

>> No.38038463

>>38038352
This

>> No.38038484

>>38038352
The issue is your self-insertion sabotaging it. We ALREADY left to go watch Japanese culture, but you FOLLOW and stir shit wherever you go.
You're the fucking problem. YOU leave.

>> No.38038550

>>38038211
When it comes to holo EN quite frankly she is the brand

>> No.38038622
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>>38031555
Graduate everyone in EN except these 4.

>> No.38038819

>>38037852
I'd be surprised if she had any real reaction to Tempus considering they're not forcing her/others to acknowledge them/interact with them/shill them, but who knows.

>> No.38038939

>>38034732
this needs red squares and text highlighting what i'm supposed to be looking at

>> No.38039072

The death of fanatic HoloENfags will bring needed healing to the western vtubing community. EN3 interacting with Tempus and StarsEN2 should be the killing blow.

>> No.38039114

>>38038819
she was clearly not amazed by the idea at the time. small rrat: because she believes men are smarter she was afraid to be outdone and made obsolete.

>> No.38039253

>>38038819
They wanted her to, obviously. Gura's utter silence was a de facto statement of denial. They felt they looked bad and were embarrassed.
Hence, the snide comments about brand risks.

>> No.38039296

>>38039114
Well her not streaming certainly doesn't help her not get outdone by men, but obviously the audiences are different.
>>38039253
very possible they wanted her to but regardless, much like a lot of the JP girls, there's no mandate to do so.

>> No.38039346

>>38039072
>StarsEN2
Yagoo is stupid but not suicidal to sponsor the next unprofitable generation

>> No.38039378

>>38039296
Doesn't have to be an official mandate. The simply thought peer pressure would be enough and it would boost their "face." This isn't even a rrat, this is basic corporate bullshit.
They didn't expect Gura, based on a creature with nothing but cartilage for bones, would have a spine.

>> No.38039382

>>38038484
This holy fuck

>> No.38039470

>>38031555
You don't.

>> No.38039600

>>38039378
yea I'm sure they expected the girl who literally ignores them half the time and doesn't retweet the shit they ask her to retweet to promote the guys.

>> No.38039839

>>38039600
Yeah, be dismissive. I'm sure you totally fit in here and totally aren't a bad actor.

>> No.38041554

>>38031555
How do we save OP's future?

>> No.38041808

>>38031555
Impossible.
You first need need to fix western women.

>> No.38041926

>>38041808
Which will never happened, ergo, it is impossible. You are correct.

>> No.38042729

>>38031555
Fire everyone who isn't a gold star lesbian. Start to recruit talent from radical militant feminist grups.

>> No.38042836

>>38036267
If you don’t shit yourself in public, you’re obviously just a greedy whore who only cares about looking good for your career. There’s no reason not to shit yourself in public while you’re working unless you only care about the money

>> No.38042898

>>38032700
If anything vtubing is the most misandrist fanbase out there. You niggers get triggered by men even existing.

>> No.38042970
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>>38031749
This is correct

>> No.38043054

Watch and support the indies that don't do pander to coomers.

>> No.38043223

>>38038484
>We ALREADY left to go watch Japanese culture
If I was a jap, bunch of obese gajin manchildren insisting that jerking off to their pretend girlfriend is "my culture" would make me want to commit sudoku with my katakana.

>> No.38043326

>>38031555
Clone Gura enough times that they altogether stream as much as Kaela

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>>38039839
Yea, it's definitely a "bad actor" behavior to want someone whose streams you really enjoy to stream and not rest on her laurels. Everything I said about her ignoring and not retweeting are things she herself stated she does (sometime in the last few streams, I believe it was the membership stream xbox live mic).

>> No.38043424

>>38043054
They want regular porn, you want emotional porn. Everyone cooms.

>> No.38043484

>>38031714
She's busy working on various projects

>> No.38043488

>>38033482
how much have you donated to fauna paypig?

>> No.38043501

>>38032366
This is the final solution
Let's finish the job and nuke all of asia

>> No.38043734

>>38031555
go to an economically challenged area in the U.S.
advertise a local seminar about your online entertainment company, attendees must be F18-40
promise everyone who participates a sandwich, a pair of socks and a chance for employment
congrats you've filtered out the prudes and the ones with too much ego for the job.
now, show them subbed clips from JP vtubers and explain why people watch this and how they earn money.
"think you can do this but in English? want to give it a try?"

anyone who is still there can stay in contact and gets to be part of an online video training session.
screen out the druggies, the bad-for-business schizos and those plain lazy.
you are left with interested dirt poors who would do anything to escape their shitty fate and, given precise feedback,
would bend over backwards to capture the atmosphere the audience seeks. EN saved.

>> No.38043758

>>38034732
Looks like Finana stabilized actually. Meanwhile Selen and Rosemi who didn't do any of what you're saying fell off a cliff.

>> No.38043760

>>38043223
>If I was a jap
Well you're not, and they don't give a shit. (You) do, now would you kindly fuck off?

>> No.38043889

>I HATE ANIME
>I HATE IDOL CULTURE
>I HATE PURITY
>I HATE OTAKUS
>I HATE INCELS
So why don’t you just watch normal streamers then?
>NO I MUST GO TO A HOBBY FULL OF THINGS THAT I HATE AND I KNOW IS FULL OF THINGS THAT I HATE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT IT NOT BEING WHAT I LIKE
What motivates this kind of bizarre behavior? I just don’t understand why anyone would waste their limited time like this…

>> No.38044111

>>38043889
because they hate (you) most of all anon. and for good reason, you make up senarios and then get mad at said senarios.

>> No.38044182

>>38044111
>imfuckingplying
Happening in real time and (You)'re one of them.

>> No.38044259

>>38043760
Are you a jap? Do you believe your culture consists of hentai, dakimakuras, fat otakus and western manchildren simping for 2d waifus?

>> No.38044302

>>38031749
List of things that got us the shit state EN is in.

>> No.38044352

>>38043889
There is nothing "pure" about otakus or those who pander to them.

>> No.38044353

>>38044259
Who cares if I am or not? You're the one trying to pretend they act a certain way with zero proof in a poor attempt to shame others (and ironically proving the "degradation of a hobby" meme correct).
Fuck. Off.

>> No.38044802

>>38044353
If anyone is degrading a hobby, it's smelly otakus who turned manga and anime from respectable mediums to refuge of social rejects and manchildren.

>> No.38044880

>>38044802
You have to be less than 15 years old. This level of ignorance is staggering.

>> No.38045309

Nothing is wrong with the western vtubing scene. Just have fun with it while it lasts and if it goes, it goes. Ignore what you think isn't good. There are pocket communities all over the internet to keep you out of the shit you don't like.

Maybe instead of attempting to salvage a "dying hobby" (fucking doubt), maybe try to enjoy it while it lasts instead of finding ways to complain. You might end up dying from doom and gloom before the final good western vtuber's stream.

>> No.38045352

>>38044880
>This level of ignorance is staggering.
Nigger, just look at the market share of anime in Japan over the decades. Mainstream and casual readers are a shrinking market while the obsessive otaku are taking more and more of the share. Just like with the western comic books manchildren became the main demographics and the product reflects that thus feeding the feedback loop. It is a recipe for disaster.

>> No.38045705

>>38045352
>idolizing manchildren are the demographic in western comics
>literally turned Superman gay
Yeah, sure. Whatever. Fuck off.

>> No.38045886

>>38045705
Who are people buying western comic books? Not the casuals, not the kids. It's the obsessive nerds who will buy the next superman comic even if he is a disabled tranny of color. They will whine about it on /co/ but they will buy it.

>> No.38046011

>>38045886
>Why are they buying?
>Literally bankrupted the entire industry over SJW BS.
You are so fucking out of touch it's hilarious. There isn't a SINGLE western comic that hasn't failed and there isn't a SINGLE one that doesn't cater to SJW bullshit.
It's the exact opposite of what you said.
Go be underage someplace else.

>> No.38046348

>>38045352
Not the dude you're fighting with. I really don't care, but your post is all kinds of wrong.

I don't have the exact data with me but this is all public info anyway:
>Jujutsu Kaisen hit the highest Blu Ray sales in anime industry history, surpassing Madoka Magica's and Bakemonogatari's initial sales (The big two at the time)
>Oricon recorded the highest amount of manga sold ever in 2019~2021, with Demon Slayer's final volume eating up about 60% of the sales.
>Chainsaw Man is seeing an abnormal amount of high readership in several local census, and is predicted to be the highest read manga of all time on digital subscription services.

There's a shitload of more data on stuff like Tokyo Revengers, Gundam and the like, but bottom-line is casual tastes and preference are devouring the market, while otaku sensibilities grow smaller in pockets. Notice how there's staggeringly less light novel adaptations and coomer-core stuff compared to the mid 2010s. Not to mention Nijisanji's popularity amongst normals. The casuals are 100% eating a sizeable amount of the marketshare of otaku media.

>> No.38046360

>>38046011
>Literally bankrupted the entire industry over SJW BS.
Industry was failing for a long time before sjw was even a glimmer in carl of applebees eye. Fuck, in the 90s industry had a fucking crash. Rising prices and move from casual to hardcore audience ruined comics, not insuficient amount of besedness and redpillness.

>> No.38046463

>>38046360
>he doesn't know about the 90s "girl power" push BS
lmao
Like I said: underage.

>> No.38046548

>>38046360
Literally what I was going to say.

Not gonna sperg data again, but the western comics scene is healthier than ever. It's just that the big two are the ones falling the fuck off. Digital marketplaces have breathed millions of fucking dollars into the industry.

>> No.38046606

>>38035405
>Jay 2: Electric Boogaloo

>> No.38046684

>>38046463
Fucking moron.
That's not even the reason for the crash.
General lack of interest and oversaturation of comics is the reason. No one had an internet connection to even know about the girl power stuff, which didn't even make it far across the scene to make any sort of real change/influence.

>> No.38046703

>>38046463
Yes, and in the 70s comics were pushing for racial equality. In the 40s captain america was punching Hitler in the face. SJW ruined comics!

>> No.38046753

>>38038622
>Fauna
>Mumei

>> No.38047099

>>38046703
And they failed for it. Over and over. You will continue to be taught this lesson, here in VTubing and in comics.

>>38046684
A lack of interest BECAUSE they push politics.

>> No.38047556

>>38047099
>BECAUSE they push politics
No you fucking brainlet.
It crashed because publishers abandoned newsstands and began to depend entirely on comic book shops. And this was done cause comics shops can't return their unsold inventory. But it also meant vastly reduced exposure to the general public, which led to far fewer impulse buys from kids (the main demographic).
They got desperate and tried a whole bunch of sales gimmicks (and no it wasn't fucking "girl power"). Constant reboots and retcons, consistently relaunching titles, and variants galore have turned off the older collectors and confused the general public.
AND THEN, couple that shit with comics being seen as a perceived investment by big corpo, focusing on artificial inflation, and before they could see it wasn't the case, the market crashed.

Fact check your fucking shit, retard

>> No.38047628

>>38047556
Yeah but they only had to return unsold inventory because they pushed politics.

>> No.38047683

>>38047099
Yes, i'm sure 90s crash was caused by Rob Liefeld pushing too much politics. This is what everyone was keeping in those pouches. Politics.
Also with your demand for all vtubers to be carpet munchers disgusted by icky boys, aren't YOU the sjw?

>> No.38048083

>>38047628
Citation fucking needed.

There are piles of journals documenting this shit. Can you point me PLEASE to the one saying politics ruined comics and not just because some youtube SJW grifter said so??

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>>38031555
The Federal Reserve. They're Jews. Stop paying it indulgences.

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38050008

>>38031615
Always the best girls

>> No.38050315

>>38046348
>in a world with faster internet than before and more people than before, the most shilled mangas are doing better than older ones!
Don't fall for this faggot's missinterpretation of data.

>> No.38050997

>>38031555
Fire Tempiss and Mori. Then quarantine Kronii and Ame to stop the spread of “ungrateful bitch”.

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>>38031555
Trying to get the faggots to reveal themselves so she can ban them.

>> No.38051410

>>38050997
rent free

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>>38046360
>Phase 4 = All New All Different Marvel
SJW shit killed western comics, and is currently killing Disney.
Go the fuck back to r*ddit to spam more marvel shit, you fucking monkey pox spreading cancer.
Get woke go broke faggot.

>> No.38051664

Same way we solve everything else thats wrong with the west, get rid of the jews

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>>38051410
Cool catchphrase, go back.
YWNBAW

>> No.38052135

>>38051559
Can you please tell me where in this chart can I identify with absolute certainty the root cause of comic sales' decline being SJWs?

Got the data for that or are you just running your mouth like the idiot you are?

>get woke go broke

kek actual normalfag

>> No.38052387

>>38031749
Unironically this.
Left unchecked, mentally unhinged fans will ruin this community with their gossip, anti behavior, and overall immaturity.

>> No.38053534

>>38034013
Now where's the western vtuber magazine that covers these western vtubing failures? Kiwifarms forums?

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>>38031555
>save western vtubing
ENTER
https://twitter.com/KonakiRikou

>> No.38055678

>>38052135
Their sales cratered because of this, the only thing that has gone up is the price.
>get woke go broke
Keeping coping faggot.
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/complete-guide-to-all-new-all-different-marvel

>> No.38056732

>>38031555
Create your own company

>> No.38057801

Once it stops being trendy then it will fix itself

>> No.38060591

>>38031615
FPBP

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