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Maid Edition

>What is /wvt/?
/wvt/ is a thread for viewers to find, share, and discuss English-speaking VTubers.

Include a picture and a link so we know who they are and how to watch!

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>Previous thread
>>37132001

>> No.37147354

>>37147314
SON OF A BITCH

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>disabling it gives a warning

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sneep

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>>37147454
sneepposter...

>> No.37147594

Which vtuber do you want to see NSFW content made of the most? There's a small group of erotic art creators who don't have much money but have skill at costume and modeling.

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>>37147555
look forward to the sneep update

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Embrace tradition
Return to wiggly

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results

>> No.37147725

>Ashton bitching and moaning about her numbers and channel growth on-stream
I called it, she is menhera-chan.

>> No.37147772

>>37147725
I am there and she is very much not doing that.

>> No.37147799

>>37147725
i watched her first stream but forgot her after that

>> No.37147821

>>37147725
I wondered if Jia might be Menhera-chan desu

>> No.37147833

>>37147725
I don't think you really got what menhera-chan's deal was because it wasn't about numberfagging

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>>37147660
good work, streamer

>> No.37147902

>>37147821
The model looks eerily similar but her account is too new. She may have been a fan of marinara poster. Now she is in Ray0's harem anyway. There's nothing for her to be mayonnaise about.

>> No.37147919

>>37147660
that seep is adorable

>> No.37147924
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I love my hag, bros.

>> No.37147928

>>37147660
Great job today, take a well-earned rest

>> No.37147937

>>37134649
Become a Pippa mod and then ask to change to Lumi, worked for me but it's not worth it because she acts like those girls from Mean Girls but turned up to 11 off stream.
I unironically prefer dealing with Pippa suicidal thoughs and whatever /pol/ shit she spwes in Mod GC than 3 hours of Lumi shit talking some 13 year old girl from starbucks for having some anime merch on her backpack in Mod GC

>> No.37147942

>>37147660
Cute!

>> No.37147980
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>>37147660
it's beautiful
i will need to see if i can get a new background done for it too
thank you so much, jia!

>> No.37148035

>>37147937
corpo vtubing is really like this?

>> No.37148045

>>37147902
rrat: she IS ray0

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>>37147924
Love your hags while you still have them...

>> No.37148071

>>37148035
No. You never see everything behind the scenes. This is all a show to entertain you.

>> No.37148084

>>37148045
if she was Ray0 she would have banned me

>> No.37148091

>>37148055
Fugg, man I'm sorry

>> No.37148096

>>37147725
Clip?

>> No.37148137

>>37148055
Any chance of her going corpo again?

>> No.37148157

>>37148045
If she was Ray0 she wouldn't have greeted me kindly when I sent my first message in her channel to her.

>> No.37148192

>>37148035
Imagine /here/ menhera girls doing a corpo and you pretty much get Phase Connect, did I also already mentioned that Lia paid $100 to a random tribute account to cum tribute her and accidentally posted it on her discord?

>> No.37148260

>>37148192
How scandalous!!! It's almost as if vtubers have never heard of Chaturbate.

>> No.37148365

>>37148055
but i wont have a hag in years

>> No.37148401

>>37147660
I love that Orla, thank you, I will miss her

>> No.37148439

>>37148192
how do they even manage to keep things running if these things are true

>> No.37148440

Back when I started my Youtube channel and was growing at an alarming rate I thought that each video was like its own seperate honey trap to attract viewers so the more of them I had the better but now that I've completely stagnated despite uploading more frequently I'm not sure if thats true anymore

>> No.37148451

>>37148137
None
She just lost all the will to move on

>> No.37148554

why is everyone graduating.........................

>> No.37148585

>>37148439
Sakana is a multi millionare who could run the company in red numbers for 50 years and is dead set on finding a cure (yes an actual cure) to mental illness

>> No.37148602

>>37148554
seasonal depression mixed with worsening conditions worldwide

>> No.37148605

>>37148554
viewers need to take better care of their oshis to prevent this

>> No.37148647

>>37148554
The grift is over so they grifters don’t feel like putting effort into something that nets no return

>> No.37148838

>>37148554
Winter holiday season. Time to visit family and stuff. On top of that power outages are not uncommon. Winter is like hardcore survival mode.
On top of that many vtubers probably have found the whole entire audience they would want to entertain for.
Let me tell you a story.
I found a vtuber on twitch once.
Her dream since she was a degenerate youth was to be a adult voice actress. She streamed on twitch for a couple months until she got all the patrons she deemed acceptable and then she never streamed again. Not to the public that was used to her at least. This story has repeated itself as long as live stream video chat rooms has existed. Probably even before the internet.
TL;DR
Cash out your chips while you're ahead

>> No.37148886

I wanna make lewd audios but people would recognize my voice and it would be all over.

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>>37148055
It's hitting me harder than I would have thought...

>> No.37148985

>>37148886
That's why you find a private circle you can trust who you like and hopefully pays well.

>> No.37148999

>>37148886
It hasn't stoped a single /lig/ger
Just put them behind a paywal like Saruei and you are set

>> No.37149020

>>37148886
Post them anonymously and deny everything.

>> No.37149079

>>37147937
What can fix lumi?

>> No.37149094

>>37148999
you don't understand I'm very seiso

>> No.37149110

>>37147394
Why are her numbers so high today? Raid?
Enjoy her while you can, bros. She'll be a /lig/ger in no time

>> No.37149135

>>37148886
That's the point of lewd audios though. The pleasure you get from listening to someone you recognize is unmatched.

>> No.37149169

>>37149079
A 9-5 as a waitress at a casino for washed up vtubers 15 years from now.

>> No.37149171

>>37149079
a beheading

>> No.37149195

>>37149110
yeah, maia raid, among a couple of 2views raiding as well. and i will continue to enjoy her even after she's /lig/!

>> No.37149354

>>37149110
i looked into that thread while this was down and it was disgusting. not a single intelligent post in the whole thread. even at its lowest this thread still has something worth reading

>> No.37149451

>>37149094
don't we all know what that means in western vtubing? veibae is very seiso too

>> No.37149517

>>37149354
/lig/ is 70% /vsj+/ users coomers are to be expected and encouraged

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>>37149094
There is not a single seiso femchuuba left in the scene after eggy went to japan.
You are a male, aren't you?

>> No.37149661

>>37149451
You don't understand anon I'm male I have to be seiso

>> No.37149705

>>37149517
i can't take it. even rins deranged stories are more entertaining than the spam i saw there

>> No.37149776

I now understand lurkers I was thanked out loud for following and immediately wanted to throw up and run I'm so stupid god I am so sorry to every lurker to ever lurk

>> No.37149792

>>37149705
It's ok you can stay here
They aren't looking for new people anymore

>> No.37149815

>>37149776
pls calm down, it's fine, it's a little awkward but it's two seconds of awkward and that's it!!

>> No.37149836

>>37149776
Yeah. Awful isn't it?

>> No.37149878

>>37149652
Eggy isn't gone she streamed like last week.

>> No.37149885

So are there any vtubers whose humor is something besides saying the nastiest sexually repressed things a person can think of?

>> No.37149893

Paint your nails.

>> No.37149913

>>37149776
BASED

>> No.37150009

>>37149776
Get some help.

>> No.37150014

>>37149776
just wait until you meet one of those that also ask about your day after thanking you. the pressure to participate with something is huge

>> No.37150024

Get a viewing account if you can't stand hearing your username spoken out loud by someone you bothered to follow.
There's no reason to follow by the way. You can always write down the vtubers name and search it. That's what I've always done. Following is only if you want to display your support for the vtuber and the world.

>> No.37150039

>>37149885
There's Egg Ch. if you like egg puns

>> No.37150129

>>37150039
>>37149652
>Eggy is seiso
>Egg is seiso
what does it mean

>> No.37150142

>>37150129
They're good eggs

>> No.37150175

>>37149885
many males and the females you never gave a chance because they weren't promoted aggressively by coomers

>> No.37150352

>>37149885
Kongou Kokuretsu
All_Bones Jones

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>>37149885

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for me its the bat

>> No.37150653

>>37150024
Excellent advice, Rebelsama. I am very thankful that you continue to post despite all the haters here.

>> No.37150667

>>37149885
hyasynth is just 100% seiso

>> No.37150698

>>37150653
Be joking.

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>>37150698

>> No.37150782

>>37149776
It gets easier, it can be kinda fun. If they ask you how your day was/what's going on, just say
"nothing much, it's been fine". Easy.
>>37150014
You think they'd feel pressure to participate? It sounds like their organs would shut down.

>> No.37150875

In a year, we'll have a confident, loud Jia, and we'll all feel immense satisfaction at having seen her grow from the menhera wallflower she is today

>> No.37150912

>>37150875
I'll miss her crying onstream.

>> No.37150966

>>37150875
>confident
yeah!
>loud
fuck you i like my shitburger

>> No.37151136

>>37150966
>shitburger
What

>> No.37151138
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l... got into Hololive, /asp/.

The EN Staff were flabbergasted by my message of openly healing trauma with viewers as a VTuber with a severe mental health, criminal, and "109th: off his meds and on bad weed" history and active recovery through quasi-fleshchuubing. Asian serial stalkers that did in Rushia and Coco are fucking terrified of the police.

Thank you /asp/ for all the fun shenanigans and diamond-in-the-shit guidance.

to be continued

>> No.37151269

If Mako stops moving, will she die?

>> No.37151271

>>37151138
you doin alright there yellowcat or is this uh, another meltdown

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Also I just came and it flew like 3 feet. Didn't even bother to search for the stain, it's Killing Floor time.

https://steamcommunity.com/id/SwissedToast/

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ANYCOLOR Inc.
Midtown East 11F, 9-7-2, Akasaka, Minato-ku, Tokyo 107-0052 Japan
Marketing Department

Hello! My is Riku Tazumi, I am a talent scout for YouTubers and Streamers on behalf of ANYCOLOR Inc., Our group has recently been considering you, SwissedToast Ch., among 10 other candidates for our Nijisanji EN Gen. 4 tryouts! lf you are perhaps interested in our official tryouts this coming Autumn, please fill out this form at https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/contact and e-mail me at rikutazumi@nijisanji-en.com! We look forward to hearing from you, keep staying strong and thank you for uploading such a fun and exciting audition!

Sincerely, Riku Tazumi,

>> No.37151358

i love my oshi very much!

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>> No.37151456

>>37149776
I'm sorry I said hi to you :(

>> No.37151589

>>37151138
>>37151394
Go to the male thread, schizo

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>>37151358
The more you love yourself the more you can love you're oishi, anon!

>>37151269
Only if shark.

>>37151271
I literally just got home from escaping getting committed long-term to Asylum, Rikers Island, and arrest. I just hung out for a week handcuffed to a hospital bed talking to the local cops, thieves, beggars, fighters, trauma'ds, veterans and crazies. Healed lots of them and they healed me too.

Seriously, that's what happens when I have a meltdown. I'll stream it eventually, that is, me and my Dad visiting the 109 on Christmas, I have a sculpture idea and tattoo designs I drew up while under arrest. This 9 years abused latina and I exchanged trauma stories and support en espanol and she blew kisses at me every time she walked by for a few days.

I'm actually really awesome... and completely naked post-orgasm.

The sculpture will also say "For Every Life Served" and specific thanks. My block is on fire right now, I'm getting a job as a psych ward tech and taking the academy test. I'm healed, desu. Hear all about it on my vlog!

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>>37149776
You mean you didn't instinctively clip it and ask her to hydration check ASMR? She's totally fine with it, it's for (You).

;^)

>>37151589
fight me 1v1 Starcraft II Live

>> No.37151750

>>37151589
See >>37151349

>> No.37151766

How does this thread attract the most insane schizo m*les

>> No.37151785

>>37149776
I actually lurked Jia's stream in incognito since it's mostly /here/ viewers watching.

>> No.37151821

>>37147937
Has Lumi gossiped about any /here/s?
Spill the tea.

>> No.37151838

>>37151766
because it allowed tripfag like gael, rin and prince to make it their home in early /wvt/

>> No.37151843

>>37148886
Why? If you want to be lewd, do it, it's a buff in this industry.

>> No.37151863

>>37151785
BTTV has an anon chat option, you know.

>> No.37151897

Chuubas for this feel?
https://youtu.be/q2rjEUpmzow

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>>37151863
Oh... thanks.

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>>37151651
+ the homeless

I'm working on songs with my reefer dealers featuring art by Mike the dishonorably discharged homeless vet that takes in abused puppies and helps broken irl-tryhards.

I am so fucking good at making wins out of losses. C'mon ][_,osers, winning is a mindset. You can do More the better You are Doing.

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>>37151838
>>37151766
Wrong, faggot.

It's 4chan, what did you eggs-peck? Oya oya, gyaahyukhyujk.

Wanna see my hospital toothbrush-shank as proof of my controlled insanity? Liver with Fava beans, oya oya~ <3

>> No.37152164

>>37152038
Egg going menhera is the last thing I need to know about

>> No.37152170

>reddit spacing

>> No.37152204

I really hate this guy

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https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/4976277/

https://qns.com/2015/11/emotionally-disturbed-teen-arrested-in-whitestone-hostage-incident/

https://qns.com/2015/11/teen-barricades-himself-in-bedroom-of-whitestone-home/

https://archive.alice.al/vt/search/subject/Schizo%20Thread/

You're a pussy, you take after your mother. Go get you're first fuck in a hooker and then maybe you'll be more of a man,(-)bitch! (tm)

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>>37152204
Considering the amount of actual support, interest and thread chaos I bring out of the woodwork you should respect my existence as granted permission by Kiki-pyon-sama herself.

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LET ME IN YOUR HEAD LET ME IN YOUR HEAD LET ME IN YOUR HEAD LET ME IN YOUR HEAD LET ME IN YOUR HEAD LET ME IN YOUR HEAD LET ME IN YOUR HEAD LET ME IN YOUR HEAD LET ME IN YOUR HEAD LET ME IN YOUR HEAD LET ME IN YOUR HEAD

>> No.37152342

>mako joins jets stream at the end
>jets decides to sing one more song to keep the stream going for her
thank you mako

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>>37152342
all according to plan. god i wish clio had been around to hear the dorothy voice.

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>>37151766
What did you expect from attention-seeking suicide on livestream schizoaffective recluse types that actively browse 4chan's newest anime-to-reality board? Get real.

Start streaming.

>> No.37152465

filled with a little too much sadness lately. even some jealousy, feels like everyone else is just losing chuubas they enjoyed watching and not close friends that wanted a clean break

>> No.37152522

>>37152465
>and not close friends that wanted a clean break
explain further.

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Hmmm.. well let me know if you guys have any /here/ oishi(s) that you're concerned about. I might be able to actually surprise you with my armchair psychiatry. Being actually crazy I grew up in public institutions and you only survive by listening sometimes.

I won't even talk in chat, just link me the twitch ITT and I'll check for bait and (You)s in over breakfast, oyasumi~ I'll keep the night safe for you, senpai.

Oya oya~ GoPro live tracking on da streetz xddd
Please... Accept Yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJNWlMiL1zM

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>>37152465
>>37152522
>>>/discord/

I mean seriously if you're talking about vtuber-to-vtuber relationships by default to be a not fleshchuuber something is inherently wrong with you. Aside from ego death and identity issues its mostly just family/self abuse and not being able to move out on your own. You have to understand the demographic that you and your birds a feather flocking together are. If you limit yourself to exclusively 4chan you're a fucking self-sadistic masochist tho and need to break the cycle of abuse.

Start streaming (vlog and hobby). Also draw and jerk off to the artwork you made of yourself and your friends. (with consent)

"stfu or fuck off". boundaries and fear of abandonment issues...

>> No.37152786

Can't /asp/ contain its schizos better?

>> No.37152833

>>37152522
I'd rather not, that should be enough to tell you why the menhera's hitting hard.

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You should be happy if someone moves on from VTubing. It means they had and have the courage to make their online personality and physical self two-into-one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJNWlMiL1zM

...I last streamed myself 6+ months ago talking to 988 Live with my Dad, friends, and therapists in the chat. 35 minutes subtitled en espanol, russian, and chinese. whynotall.exe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkM85LyZ7UU

Live (as in living not just surviving) your Live on your own terms.

>> No.37152935

>>37152833
well, as someone who has lost friends, not just through losing contact but much worse, i can tell you to try and just be happy that you had them in your life at all. we tend to see these things as binary, like "if i'm not in regular contact with them, then they're not with me." but obviously that's bullshit, and the time spent was valuable regardless.

in this hobby, of all places, we should be okay with social relationships that are important to us regardless of being distant.

>> No.37152979

This guy types really fast or this is some stale pasta. Today was a good day. I watched some good vtubers. Mostly playing fallout new Vegas.
Someone watched my stream today. We're all going to make it.

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>>37152786
oya oya~

Fiiinneee... have a bone, anon. May the strength of crab armor and limb-regeneration be with (You).

I'm prescribing you 5000 hours of endless 2 play co-op gacha.
Stay away from MMORPGs and Destiny 2/LoL/PvP.

>> No.37153015

m*les are the root cause of this threads problems, always has been, always will be. simple as.

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>>37152979
It's weaponized ADHD and milestone recovery in coherence, range of motion and feeling in my toes and fingers, and simple joy of being alive.

I literally got let off the hook of being sent to NYC's worst prison, and spent a week in it's worst suicide watch helping the local cops and patients alike while drawing and singing... all with a dislocated shoulder handcuffed to the bed.

I'm YOUR undercover troll + glowie + doctor + subconscious future self. Smile, heheh. Wait till you hear my teeth clicking uncontrollably to the headshots of my drumbeat DMR rifle.

>> No.37153113

One of the doctor chuubas I follow is rebranding. I’m devastated, no more labcoat…

>> No.37153133

What's the deal with Leaflit's voice?

>> No.37153165
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>>37153015
how long ago did he hit you and why haven't you thrown out all of his shit yet.

Victim < Survivor < Overcomer

pull your shit together and keep it together fucker. Hate is a Sin. Resentment is like drinking Poison hoping the other person Dies.

PLEASE CRUSH MY THROAT WITH YOUR BOOTS *ENA

>> No.37153229

>>37153113
Stay strong, Kimi.

>> No.37153261

>>37153113
can you list a few doctor chuubas you know? I'd be interested in checking them out.

>> No.37153316

Sincerely hoping this guy kills himself trying to self medicate

>> No.37153322

>>37153133
either trying to trap, successfully trapped, electronically modified, physically impaired, or all.

There was this actual schizo that kept talking to my police escorts with a fucking ELMO Mickey-Mouse ass voice she litterally said IM FROM DA STREETS god we couldnt stop fucking laughing man. These two mother fuckers kept ROARRRRRing at eachother too like we all thought these ppl were fucking around but thats literally how they ARE. Bro, just like accept it. People are so incredibly deep and unique God knows wtf is going on.

link it if you're concerned he's doing a Silence of The Lambs identity-denial-cope-thru-transgender-tryhard. I'm going for a round 2 of 1-year anniversary plus freedom and fixed family celebration,

/ttyl/ wvt
Maybe.... stay off coping thru 4chan+Discords? Heheh, oya oya you bad little sadistic fucking addicts. More brain vore more more more

>> No.37153395
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Hey, listen

If there was an endpoint.
If I could only save them
Could I go back into the past once again
and start all over again?
If there was really no end point
I'll be like this forever
Will the lyrics keep being created?
I know I'll have regrets
For being too rash on myself
So please, just give your oshi a hug
and leave

A thread with new posts, so warm and inviting
Whilst creating OC in the clean sfw boards
And at night, I could see the mysteryposts up close
And yet, there’s nobody here.

Surely, this is what they wanted
If that's so
Then why did no one care about it all
When it was still alive?

Hey, listen
If there was an end point,
Could you save them?
Though, I'm uncertain if I won't lyricpost
"as the ethos wills it" ever again
Even so, I won't be getting on the thread to write away
Because that hasn't solved anything
I want you to accept the ethos
Because I'm having regrets
I just didn't want you to end up being too rash like me
If there was an end to all vtubing,
Come on, take it and leave

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>>37153316
Delusion: "kill yourself" is a lowkey form of encouragement from someone who also suffers from suicidal ideation.

We Stand Alone Together

Open wide, anon!
https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/4976277/

>> No.37153450

>>37153395
the only thing I care about is if you wrote this yourself and if so just for me or not. likewise to lewd screenies and POV feet pics.

>> No.37153485

I'm honestly jealous of how much fun this shitposter schizo is having...

>> No.37153488

Holy shit males are insane

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>>37152786
I am on /asp/, /wvt/, and the front desk regularly, apex-kun.

Can we please play that StarCraft II match?
cig break brb (fear of abandonment)

>> No.37153595

>reads chuuba tierlist of smells
What does "clothing balsam" mean?

>> No.37153597

>>37153488
Call 988, they have both female and male friends to talk to 24/7. There's no consequence or record whatsoever, unless you say you want to kill and/or die.

I'm YOUR undercover troll + glowie + doctor + subconscious future self. Smile, heheh. Wait till you hear my teeth clicking uncontrollably to the headshots of my drumbeat DMR rifle.

>> No.37153630

l'm honestly jealous of how much fun this shitposter schizo is having...

>> No.37153676

Sorry, I hadn't realized this thread was being targetted by some kind of shizoposting AI. Ganbatte regs

>> No.37153685

l'm honestly jealous of how much fun this shitposter schizo is having...

>> No.37153714

Why are literally all serial killers sexual deviants

>> No.37153735

>>37153676
>regs
i forgot which chuuba did a republic commando playthrough but i wish i had time to watch them...

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>>37153676
I can feel it.

Dave, stop. Please stop. Daisy... Daisy......

>> No.37153779

Vocaroo prompts? I'm bored.

>> No.37153789

>>37153779
Say Japin Lobbed

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>> No.37153827

>>37153779
Slowly count down from 10.

>> No.37153838

>>37153488
I just find it funny. Nowhere near as bad as some schizos in /nijien/

>> No.37153846

>>37153827
How slow we talking?

>> No.37153856

>>37153846
It's a sex thing don't fall for it

>> No.37153875

>>37153856
Oh, okay.

>> No.37153888

>>37153875
Well, you could fall for it a little...

>> No.37153907

>>37153875
Please fall for it...

>> No.37153931

>>37153779
Do this I need it for Vsinger thread
Daily reminder technical proficiency in an instrument is largely irrelevant. One of the greatest singer/songwriters of our time is a whispery voiced faggot who only plays four chords per song and is still loved and adored by hipsters decades after his death.

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>>37153779
drum beats. I was gonna show off how much I practiced my singing, beatboxing, and drumming during the past week cuffed to a bed but I'm risking homelessness atm. The offer still stands of bringing to my attention anyone /here/ you're concerned about for a free psychoanalysis to help guide, not save. We all have different needs and wants... and stories.

Game? no typing or vc.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/SwissedToast/

Oyasumi, sweet sweet /wvt/er's (rest now to fight tomorrow's battles):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJNWlMiL1zM

Overcomer > Survivor > Victim
Results > Actions > Words

>> No.37153963

>>37153838
Had to take a break from /MANS/ because girls were cutting and starving themselves for Altare. There isn’t enough emotional bandwidth in the world to help everyone who needs it

>> No.37153970

>>37153931
Power Nelson is not dead and he is not adored by hipsters. He has a few fans sure, but I think that's you're playing him up a bit there aren't you?

>> No.37154079

>Miyu is graduating
Graduation season is real...

>> No.37154094 [SPOILER] 
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btw don't stream in your room.

you deserve a study and working from home in your bedroom will literally fuck you up on an objectively emotional level. Don't work to relax. Don't shit where you sleep and eat and play together with others... (unless it's scat)

Yes, work from home. Commission your friends... we all have to start somewhere and mistakes mean you're trying you're best. Let go, let it flow.

What are (You) waiting for?

>> No.37154098

>>37154079
I'm not checking this time.

>> No.37154126

>>37153827
https://voca.ro/1n1kyeqOre5D
apologies i tried to eliminate all noise in the bg but my area is just noisy as hell

>> No.37154211

>>37154126
I recognize this voice but can't tell who it is.
Glimmy?

>> No.37154219

>>37154126
Is your bird single

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>>37154211
tehe

>> No.37154255

>>37154126
This is nice, thank you!

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>>37153395
Good night

>> No.37154302

>>37154227
Flat

>> No.37154321

>>37154126
Wife seducing another men! need correction(!)

>> No.37154361

>>37154227
Hiii.
Your voice drives me crazy. I think I associated it with sexy vocaroos.

>> No.37154429

Tbqh I'm glad YC is doing better, his shitposting and streams were barely coherent when he first started.

>> No.37154475

>>37154079
Who?

>> No.37154483

>>37154361
hint: ask ITT for permission to fap to their voice

>> No.37154517

>>37154079
Holidays are stressful.

>> No.37154535

>>37154483
I've never intended to do that, I've just heard one too many vocaroos.

>> No.37154543

>>37154126
>>37154227
Based. Every femchuuba should be required to do a countdown vocaroo if they want to selfpost

>> No.37154549

>>37154126
>Ends at 1 and not 0.
My autismo will be the death of me

>> No.37154609
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Who will you vote for? Which content creators inspired you? share some stories.

>> No.37154650

>>37154609
I have no idea who any of these people are.

>> No.37154667

>>37154535
Literally all chuubas are secretly into it. It's a mutual win and a self-confidence boost. Just don't do drugplay in the chat.

I'm a huge adrenaline-attention addict.

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What's going on with Mau?

>> No.37154685

>>37154609
Survey question time?
I have some survey questions:

What time is the best time for you to watch and in what time zone?
Do you send chat messages?

>> No.37154714

>>37154609
Nibellion wasn't a content creator, just a news aggregate, and only got nominated because they just quit
QT only got in because she's Ludwig's gf and they needed a female rep

>> No.37154723

Alright, well, this place is just schizo central now, I guess.

>> No.37154728
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>>37154650
that's probably just an apex-thread-predator trying to rush to 300 out of jealous crabbing.

but it is real nigger hours, I came to help relieve Monday stress.

get it, came? 3 feet shot closed eyes on my bed to thoughts of my friends. didn't even search for the stain.

>> No.37154735

>>37154609
Pilotredsky

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>>37154723
Are we being raided?

>> No.37154791 [DELETED] 

>>37154723
I've been reporting...

>> No.37154798

>>37153810
ugly design

>> No.37154826

>>37154791
You shouldn't announce that but thank you for doing your civic duty. I hope someone resurrects a mod soon.

>> No.37154878

Chuubas are making me menhera again. I'm starting to feel like an outcast who has only ever been tolerated again. I wanna disappear and see if anyone cares but I'm worried if they even notice that they'll just start talking openly about how they hate me.

>> No.37154885

Do you ever wonder who your lurkers are? You don't need a account to even watch twitch or YouTube.

>> No.37154916

>>37154791
It’s crazy, I went on a reporting spree the other day, and got warned for “misclassified reports.” Meanwhile, the usual suspects were spamming on cooldown, and some dude was posting straight up gore. So they had time to warn me over nothing, but not time to actually deal with the thread being 80% illegible trash. Oh, and then another warning when I complained that they weren’t doing their jobs. Really great stuff.

>> No.37154951

>>37154791
Lol idiot

>> No.37154998

>>37154878
then you should talk to them. reach out to people. don’t isolate yourself. if you want to feel cared for, then you need to make it clear that’s what you want.

>> No.37155033 [DELETED] 

>>37154998
Don't do this, you will be made fun of.

>> No.37155052

>>37155033
i know you’re trying to be funny, but please put your care for other people over your desire to make fun shitposts for a moment.

>> No.37155064

>>37155052
>i know you’re trying to be funny
Is he?
There are many people who think like that.

>> No.37155095

I'm banned from a bunch of /here/ associated chats I've never chatted in. Take the resentment pill. Chuubas gonna hate. So what? That's life.

>> No.37155101

>>37155064
i choose to believe so, yes. and if not, then i offer apologies for whatever experience made that poster think that way.

>> No.37155161 [DELETED] 

>>37155052
Sorry, I really wasn't trying to be funny. In my experience, reaching out to people about this kind of stuff just makes you a target for mockery and scorn.

>> No.37155177

>>37155095
I don't want to be hated

>> No.37155188

>>37155161
i’m sorry that happened to you, anon. if it’s any consolation, i wouldn’t make fun of you for being vulnerable.

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vtubers?

>> No.37155321

For fuck’s sake not him too. I’m going to bed.

>> No.37155386

>>37155221
Go to /lig/ this is just the backdesk, water cooler talk. We come in here to converse with each other

>> No.37155410

>>37155321
Sorry friend

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I farted in your shit thread

>> No.37155774

>keep missing streams of my favorite game
>finally get done with work and she's playing something else
FUCK

>> No.37155907

i want to make dot, kyou, and mei into good girls

>> No.37156135

>>37155907
slightly sussy post, chaser-kun

>> No.37156516

>>37151785
I'm happy she streams at ungodly hours. If I don't watch her, I don't have to interact with the circlejerk.

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https://www.twitch.tv/paperbag_ch
baeg's on with DEEE EMMMM CEEE TUUU

>> No.37156621

>>37155907
do something about their voices

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https://www.twitch.tv/clioaite
Hag teaching contract renewed! Still has to decide what to play.

>> No.37156845

I wish I was at home streaming… I should have streamed last night… I want to use my cute model so much… I love how bouncy and cute it is! It makes me so happy to see it! Instead I’m here in my job that I don’t even need a reference for… I should just not come in again…

>> No.37156881

>>37156845
just do your job man

>> No.37156926

>>37156881
I’m just whiny because I don’t wanna keep working in a job I hate when I’m starting a new one that pays better on Thursday! A new job that also gives me a more consistent schedule and actual advance notice of days off! And 36 paid days off a year including banks holidays…

>> No.37157076

>>37156926
Just a bit longer. Hang in there. You have something to look forward to at least.

>> No.37157590

Looks like Clio's earning good money

>> No.37157770

>>37157590
Who knows, Clio has such a poorfag view in life

>> No.37158315

>>37155907
I want to be turned into a good girl too.

>> No.37158509

>>37156621
kyou, and mei do voice reps anon its just dot.

>> No.37158837

>>37155907
>girls

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>>37147660
Thanks for drawing my oshi

>> No.37158915

>>37153963
Seriously? QRD?

>> No.37160186

>>37154126
I can cum to this

>> No.37160275

>>37154126
Hard to tell if you didn't count to 0 because you're a dumb brat or because you're a dumb slut

>> No.37160419

Good morning, weeveetee!
Did you take the medication today? We don't want to lose our minds too much today too, do we?

>> No.37160448

YellowCat, kill yourself, you fucking faggot

>> No.37161124

>>37156621
>Kyou is already passing and making a living with his voice
??

>> No.37161341
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Am I a hated viewer if no chuuba ever approached me to mod for them

>> No.37161381

>>37161124
thats the guy who hates trannies and doesnt put any research into them

>> No.37161398

hag sex

>> No.37161426

>>37161398
Are you going to australia BB

>> No.37161446

>>37161398
so true oomfie

>> No.37161518

>>37161124
every time I listen to a tranny that people say you could mistake for a girl he always sounds like he's doing that girl voice guys do when impersonating them
please stop lying or in the off chance that you don't please talk to actual women anon

>> No.37161574

>>37161518
I think clauvio is doing a pretty good job

>> No.37161813

>>37161518
Transwomen are real women and I personally welcome our cute dicked overlords

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>

>> No.37161959

>>37161426
That's not me but I dream of traveling to Australia and having latex sex with Clio

>> No.37162026

>>37161813
Anon... This is incredibly based. You have my support.

>> No.37162430

>>37161574
boy (female)

>> No.37162549

>>37161341
I never understood why people want to be mods.
Tried it once and never again

>> No.37162575

>>37161574
>>37162430
clauvio's bussy is for dman's schizocock

>> No.37162963

>>37162430
>>37162575
>>37161574
how long have you been trying to force this meme?

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>>37162963
>meme?

>> No.37163412

>>37161574
Clauvio is everything Mocca could never be and always sought :)

>> No.37164495

>>37158837
they are my favorite girls

>> No.37164564

how do I stop feeling so empty inside

>> No.37164650

AMPLIFY~
IT'S THE SPARK FROM
YOU AND I
THAT KEEPS THIS WORLD ALIVE!
AMPLIFY~
YOU ARE THE REASON WHY
OUR CONNECTION IS BY DESIGN

>> No.37164678

>>37147314
BAD DAY? I'm here for you

https://www.twitch.tv/shizukou

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>>37164564
practice self care!

>> No.37164757

>>37164678
What brit accent is that?

>> No.37164784

>>37164564
I'll fill you up baby

>> No.37164847

>>37164757
London

I thought she was black but her twitter shows otherwise.

Sadly she's going to rebrand soon and it's something entirely different.

>> No.37165215

>clio now streaming at the same timeslot mako does more and more often
>now has way more numbers than her all the time
How long until she stops the platonic wife grift and moves onto a bigger fish to clout farm?

>> No.37165260

>>37165215
give it a month

>> No.37165304

>>37165215
Well she just raided Vivi, who’s also a hag kek

>> No.37165350

>>37165260
Poor mako, literally grinded up and used for her audience
Just wait until clio meets someone with bigger numbers that she can raid into constantly
In no time she'll be calling her her 'wife' again and trying to force the fetishes

>> No.37165381

>>37165350
well shit there we go >>37165304

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Wow she's completely shameless and forcing it in public again

>> No.37165445

>>37165410
Autistic hag...

>> No.37165448

>>37165410
I hate it when chuubas pressure other chuubas in public. It's hard to say no in public, particularly when you're trying to keep vibes positive in the stream.

>> No.37165480

>anon isn’t lying for once
This is just sad, I thought this was supposed to be a comfort hag not an actually shameless grifter, jesus

>> No.37165505

>>37165448
I really hate this, it's tacky and puts a chuuba on the spot in front of an audience

>> No.37165514

>>37165410
Sounds like a response to something said by Vivi. If not, yeah, shitty.

>> No.37165517

>>37165448
This right here is why it's bad. They are made out to be the bad guy on stream if they say no (so they don't) and the goal is to get your fans/supportive people in chat to pile on

>> No.37165523

Respect the hustle, Clio knows how to play the game

>> No.37165566

>>37165514
If it's anything but "I want to play games with you" it's a shitty response

>> No.37165572

>>37165523
By buying views? Her chat engagement is through the floor for someone with hundreds of viewers in a 'dead' timeslot

>> No.37165585

>>37165410
>anons realizing that even they're hag oshi enjoys money and willing to shill to get more of it

>> No.37165604

>>37165523
Is this the power you get from being an /asp/ie?

>> No.37165633

>>37165585
I think it's the grossness of taking the whole 'family' thing for granted, pretending to cozy up to other chuubas, to then dump them and force her way to bigger ones
It reeks of a manipulative personality

>> No.37165664

>>37165572
Innocent until proven guilty

>> No.37165665

>>37147660
Thank you for drawing Orla miss Jia, I'll try to catch your stream next time

>> No.37165669

>aus anon celebrated too early
>clio never cared about the others at all
Bros I dont feel so good…

>> No.37165686

>>37153133
She's like 40 and smoked heavily

>> No.37165694

>>37149517
I don't get why corpo-management thinks it's a good idea to force a thread, but I guess they just had enough of the trolls in this thread.

>> No.37165709

>>37165633
Vtubers are mostly cutthroats in they're practice, will always try to go for someone higher than themselfs until they outgrow them.
Eraxs was right

>> No.37165740

>>37165669
>yeah guys I just wasn't feeling it
>cancelled the offcollab because I wanted to focus on my streams
>so anyway here's my new wife vivi and my child lilyhops
I kinda respect the hustle, but in a sad way because you know she doesn't really have that far to move upwards playing EU4 and not having a voice to sing or make original content with

>> No.37165744

>>37165709
alright eraxs

>> No.37165774

>>37165740
she's also fucking boring, her fans are all brain rotted coomers

>> No.37165799

>>37165633
I doubt she'll drop the 4 aussie family they got going. Aren't they all reaching partner soon? Much better to stick together and be something like girls fc

>> No.37165837

>>37165799
Room for any more Aussies?

>> No.37165847

>>37165686
>40 years old
Really? Then how old is her mother?

>> No.37165853

>>37165847
60 at least, maybe 70

>> No.37165866

>>37165799
She'll either drop it entirely, or let her fanbase pressure the others into letting some other people in that would be advantageous

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>>37165410
>Wow she's completely shameless
As you all should be

>> No.37165962

>>37165866
I watch her but I'm not joining a fanbase called cliotoris.

>> No.37165972

>>37165837
Maybe PeachHana? Since she's close with Jets. Doesn't have the accent though.

>> No.37165976

>>37165934
I miss Slumga

>> No.37166018
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37166018

Old man in space
Sword of the Stars: Argos Naval Yard
https://www.twitch.tv/blessedheretic

>> No.37166027

>>37165837
Maybe but not Reda or Mau

>> No.37166042

>>37165709
What did you expect from a disgraceful job like “internet cabaret girl”? This isn’t some esteemed and respected position in society like doctor, engineer, or law expert. The vtubers have no dignity or standards. They’re all crooks who are trying to make easy money

>> No.37166045

>>37166018
I think he just said he was ending soon

>> No.37166063

>>37165934
Clio started off with the whole
>oh my god I'm doing streaming as just a test and all this happened teehee I don't know what I'm doing!
She's made a viewerbase on coomers and being a borderline groomer to other chuubas by constantly bringing up fetishes even in their chats. E.g. Clauvio and Mako
It's impressive, but creepy

>> No.37166089

>>37165976
Who's Slumga?

>> No.37166092

>>37166089
Slugma balls

>> No.37166097
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37166097

>that one fucker who joined another vtuber's discord just to post their own links and never interact with the community
why do people think marketing like this would ever attract anyone

>> No.37166102

>>37165934
rare pinkma dumb post
do better in the future

>> No.37166118

>>37166097
do people even look at those channels?

>> No.37166140

>>37166045
https://youtu.be/UZDcDJda3qg

>> No.37166143

>>37166097
I remember Bodega

>> No.37166147
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>>37166102
There is only one rule, this place seem to have forgotten it

>> No.37166155

>>37165837
No reda

>> No.37166167

>>37165774
>all
I resent that.

>> No.37166284

>>37166147
you can shill yourself and not be an annoying cunt
no one likes the "buy my mixtape" types and they rarely get big in the first place

>> No.37166314

>>37166284
Well she's growing. Neg and Jets seemed to have grown as well from their interactions.

>> No.37166325

>>37162549
Jignx...

>> No.37166429

>>37166314
she's also speedrunning for schizos for antis for no reason at all

>> No.37166437

>>37165633
>It reeks of a manipulative personality
I don't care about any supposed personality defects. Who knows, you know? But she's too left-wing for me.
I'll support any GSG chuuba because god knows there aren't many, but she's big enough now that she doesn't need my individual support.

>> No.37166516

>>37166437
who even are there other than her and egg?

>> No.37166582

This is one of those threads where its easy to tell the posts where its chuubas being mean from those of viewers being mean.

>> No.37166652

>>37166582
I can't tell

>> No.37166675

>>37166582
Yeah I can't tell either

>> No.37166680

>>37166516
Crusader Kings gets played sometimes, it's almost an RPG, almost Sims-like so I think it's more approachable than most mapgames.
Miia's chat groomed her into strategy fairly effectively, but I wouldn't call her GSG.

>> No.37166704

>>37166582
>viewers
there are no viewers left in this thread, anon

>> No.37166770

>>37166704
I'm a viewer!

>> No.37166798

>>37166770
you wont last
bet you are already fantasizing about your model in your head

>> No.37166815

>>37166704
I'm only here to get groomed by a chuuba

>> No.37166885

Viewers are a minority that are being discriminated against in this thread.
We demand reparations in the form of hagsex.

>> No.37166917

>>37166798
Ha, that hits pretty hard.
Not that viewer, but yes, I have lore and everything.

>> No.37167039

>>37166885
Só true oomfie

>> No.37167084

>>37166885
When they were getting together, viewers cried to prevent hagsex and unity happening
Now they are splitting apart they cry for unity and hagsex

>> No.37167160
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37167160

>>37166917
obligatory do your own model post

>> No.37167403

Clio is so fucking autistic about strategy games that I wouldn't be surprised if she just wants to play them with anyone that expresses the slightest of interest in them, the dumb bitch

>> No.37167452

>>37167403
I think that is probably more accurate than her being some kind of Lex Luthor, all according to keikaku type person.

>> No.37167517

>>37167452
She posted on her discord that she is moving her stream tomorrow so she can watch Mako play Beat Saber

>> No.37167525
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37167525

>>37167452
I want my Ozymandias chuuba please just one mastermind vtuber that does something for unity

>> No.37167534

>>37167517
More like so she can get a Mako raid

>> No.37167554

>>37167534
More like so she can get some Mako ass.

>> No.37167558

>>37167517
It seems to be more that >>37167534
than actually wanting to watch her

>> No.37167600

>>37167554
You think she'll drop mako based on whether or not she puts out for her irl? THAT would be a true grand schemer move

>> No.37167604
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37167604

>>37167525
That's literally the Anyas. Some of them are chuubas.

>> No.37167674

>>37133008
>1 minute gestures is too fast! I'll be doing 2 minute gestures from now on!!
It's fine if you can't do them yet, just draw as fast as you can, even if it's just vague circling as body parts.
There are a few videos on youtube that mix various gesture drawing lengths.

>> No.37167703

Anyone has a jets reference sheet?

>> No.37167714

>>37167604
I want one (1) true mastermind that does shit, not a conglomerate of egocentric maniacs that talk in nebulous promises and achievements

>> No.37167745

>>37133199
>>37133063
Soft graduations easily turn hard. If you stop, you'll probably stop for good.

>> No.37167788

>>37167403
If this was true she'd play with her viewers, no?

>> No.37167970

>>37167788
If she's got a decent amount of aussies watching I guess she could but pdx servers connecting au to na or eu? Probably not the best idea

>> No.37167986
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37167986

https://www.twitch.tv/oliviamonroe
INTROVERTS FEAR HER

>> No.37168233

>>37167160
If I did my own model it'd have to be a shitty MS Paint PNG.
I'm not saying I won't do it.

>> No.37168289

>>37166885
>>>/d/iscord

>> No.37168301

>>37167788
She had a poll on stream offering to play games with viewers and they voted against it

>> No.37168307
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37168307

>>37168233
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.37168348

>>37167745
Even though I’m too sick to stream I still think about it every day. I have a playlist of videos I want to show my viewers and discuss with them, it’s almost at 200 now. I hope I get to sooner than later

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37168384

>>37168328
>>37168328
>>37168328
new bread move whenever

>> No.37168418

Page 10

Someone needs to put R*n and Y-c in a ring and force them to fight to the death

>> No.37168587

>>37168418
In a Fighting game. In a casino. In Vegas.

>> No.37169179

>>37168348
Are you active on Twitter or do you fear the vtweeter-label?

>> No.37169368

>>37168418
they're both already dead.

>> No.37169422

>>37168418
I'd prefer r** vs sha***
Yc is an asp problem

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