Why Hololive and NijisanjiEN can't collab

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/HC2rRPGvCyc

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>>33983897
"Why Filipinos should start jumping off of bridges"

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Based he blames niji management,i will like and subscribe to boost the algorithm

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>>33983897
Yeah but Hololive is the one blocking collabs though.

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>>33983897
This is a weird game of telephone.

[Anonymous No.]

Nousagi don't be a coward and do a video on my oshi Sio.

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>>33984146
It's a mutual block

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>>33984090
He is telling the truth.

>>33984146
No, they are not. NijiEN seems to step around mentioning names in tweets or on stream but HoloEn doesn't seem to have such problems. Tempus has a manager that likes Nijisanji so I'm not sure why'd you get they wouldn't want to collab unless the other side isn't blocking it. Can't be because of that Niji discord leak where they acted like catty bitches that is preventing them from getting the collab could it?

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>>33984146
Nijicope

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>>33983897
Simple, Chinese money. Nijisanji sign a contract with Bilibili and they don't want to mess this up by collaboration with Hololive m

[Anonymous No.]

imagine denying Pomu for 3 hours straight. the sounds she'll make when you finally let her

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>>33985042
That actually explains everything. Even the unrelated details just fit around it.

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>>33985042
Never thought of that. Makes a ton of sense. I completely forgot about chinkychinky.

[Anonymous No.]

I opened the video and had to close it after hearing a monkey try to speak english through my speakers

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>>33983897
Where is the Discord leak that expose one of NijiEN's managers as a chink?

[Anonymous No.]

won't stop steampunk-chan. she's JP

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>>33985705
Anya petra niggers are the most delusional fanbase

[Anonymous No.]

All out war

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>>33984396
it was selen's music guy

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive should just drop the nuke and say they're not the ones blocking collabs so that the bad PR can all be shifted to Chinkjizhangji.

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>>33983978
Based

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>>33983897
Faggot Usagi at it again
He's deleting comments too

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>>33983897
You can fuck off now. Stop shilling your shit drama channel.

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>>33986633
Wait he is? Top fucking kek

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>>33983897
>That seamonkey voice
Typical /vt/ user KEK

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>>33984308
The only thing of worth about her to talk about is her huge ass, and that she's stronger at FPS games than Roboco not difficult
....

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>>33985042
Of course and Okayu showing up yesterday in Mito's stream during her totsu doesn't count, also the Suisei x Toko interactions don't count because they don't fit the narrative

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>>33987641
Could be those are grandfathered in, could be the ban only applies to NijiEN. I think it’s more likely that NijiEN staff is run by salty former Indian branch personnel.

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>>33983897
why apple and samsung can't make a phone together? why sukhoi and lockheed martin can't planes together?

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>>33986825
Do you have proof it's my channel?

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>>33984396
>NijiEN seems to step around mentioning names in tweets or on stream but HoloEn doesn't
which means holoEN is the one blocking the collabs, niji management wouldn't let them post anything if they were the ones blocking it, and they wasnt bitching about anything other than holo management being an ass, which is true, you are completely blinded by fanaticism.

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>>33983897
ask how iron mouse got so big, and the mori that helped they didn't get bigger at all?

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>>33992327
You retarded

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>>33983978
fpbp

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>>33983897
Fucking useless video. He just acts like his rrat is superior because...well I don't really know why exactly. He just acts like a damn snob all the time.

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>>33983897
But they'll allow vshojo!

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>>33992450
You’re*

[Anonymous No.]

>Youtube video on nousagi comments get deleted
>Post here replies get deleted
Bro what an actual fuck?

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>>33987641
I don't think the Chinese angle has much leg, but it could be a situation that since NijiEN was created after the Taiwan debacle they were put on a ban on collabs with Hololive so they wouldn't develop any connection with HoloEN, while banning NijiJP and ID from interacting with the respective Hololive branches when they've been doing it for years would make them look bad on everyone's eyes, and the same thing with Vshojo tho they're not allowed to collab with the JP branch. I still find it unlikely but that's the only reasoning I can think about for this angle.

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>>33992884
https://youtu.be/0i4VBhm81UU?t=176

[Anonymous No.]

Shit video and channel. You pointlessly stretched the video out to 10 minutes for something that takes all of 1 minute to explain. Take my dislike.

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>>33993189
I haven't heard that in years. At least that place is still around. Their IRC eventually fell down the vtuber hole too and gave into uploading vtuber songs.

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>>33984396
>NijiEN seems to step around mentioning names in tweets or on stream
No they don't? They mentioned holos a fuckton of times already, and started doing it even more after tempus since apparently everyone from iluna likes mentioning them, and of late some also decided to show that they are playing offstream with them

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>>33992972
I'm starting to think it's honestly none of the above
I'm starting to think it's just a misunderstanding, considering they both talk about eachother's talents and interact on other social media's pretty often.
I wonder if it's not just a case of both managements blocking collabs because they think the other doesn't *want* to collab with them, for X reason. Which honestly would be fucking hilarious if it turned out that they were both afraid of the other making a big deal out of it when both were willing to do so

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>>33995599
Honestly I think they just haven't tried enough, everyone acts like this is some ongoing battle against whatever manageament is blocking it when it reality they probably asked once, got rejected and just leaved it at that, a lot of them are already terrible at setting up collabs inside their own company, it's probably a lot worse for outside collabs

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>>33993430
>gave into uploading vtuber songs
>all of those can be searched as "vtumor"
Yeah, not sure about that.

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I gave Niji's management too much charity. It just seems unbelievable that they were denying HoloEN collabs from the very beginning because refusing the chance to ever collab with the biggest EN Vtubers in the world seems so stupid. China didn't even fuck with HoloEN so I thought it was all past them.

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>>33986633
Which comments?

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>>33996005
Watching Pomu specifically would tell you its something fishy going on rather than clearcut who it is.
For some reason everytime the video of Holo merch being shown on stream and Pomu talking about it is posted, everyone conveniently ignores it and pretends it doesn't exist since it kills the "Niji is blocking the collab".

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>>33995895
It's possible, yeah. Either that, or I guess it could also be that management themselves doesn't have an issue with it, but isn't sure how fans would react? I'm sure they know both corps have some...
Let's call it *devoted* fanbases, sometimes

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>>33983897
Initially hololive blocked because they didn't want to lose viewers
Now Niji blocks out of spite and to stop viewers from going back out of nostalgia

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>>33996005
I think Holo being so big might be why they are blocking them.
It’s probable that Niji EN management wants their vtubers to develop a strong group identity.
If they did a bunch of Holo collabs people would probably think that they were Holo members instead of Niji.
It’s kind of like we’re seeing with Tempus right now with so many people thinking that they’re a new Holo gen instead of their own separate thing.

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>>33996005
>China didn't even fuck with HoloEN
they don't, Gura is still pretty big over there
I doubt they would even care if pomu/kiara collabed since they don't even watch her that much

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>>33996005
It would be perfectly understandable to have, say, a 6 month ban on holo collabs after the creation of the branch. You want to build an actual fanbase that will always choose to watch your company's streamers first, as opposed to being seen as just sidekicks to HoloEN/there to watch when no-one from HoloEN is streaming. Of course we're past that point now, just to say there were reasons to ban collabs at the beginning.

>>33996531
Basically what happened with Luxiem/Shoto. Caused Mysta to snap at chat about it more than once on stream, and Vox had to tell Shotobeggers to fuck off during his apology stream.

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>>33996494
>Going back out of nostalgia
Despite watching HoloEN for more than a year, they never left a very large impression on me and I've never felt like going back to watching them. I have more nostalgia for HoloJP members, and I'm an EOP clipfag.

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>>33983897
for that exact reason I joined holostars in my head for legal reasons
basically nijisanjiEN charges 50% if it is on outsider channel and doesn't give anything if it is on theirs.
Plus there is shitload of paperwork regarding copyrights.
But we aren't much better. We charge massive fines if our collab partner breaks contract and acts in way that may hurt HololiveEN's image. It is blurred, so basically we decide if they pay us fine for saying "fuck"

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>>33997688
>charges 50%
As in the collab partner splits revenue from the collab with Niji?
>saying "fuck"
Is it really that easy to accidentally break the contract? Does holo allow much negotiation of the contract terms?

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>>33998481
>As in the collab partner splits revenue from the collab with Niji?
yes. Directly to the company
>Is it really that easy to accidentally break the contract? Does holo allow much negotiation of the contract terms?
Yes. No, those are premade in Japan and translated

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>>33984396
Tempus managers are Japanese residents, as said by Vesper.
Magni's discord notification was not from a manager. Magni has strong musical aspirations and is networking a lot.

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>>33983897
>hololive EN is good to collab with vshojo
>no nijisanji
Explain?

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>>33983897
>steal content from /vt/
>put it into a vid and stretch it out as long as possible
>slap on a shitty SEA voiceover
>post it back on /vt/
how are people still replying to this shit

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>>33998553
What about within Hololive then? I wouldn't expect them to serve contracts to their own coworkers, but I believe there is still some paperwork involved in organizing collabs. How much does hashing out how the collab affects talent's or branch's images contribute to the work it takes to organize collabs?

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>>33983978
fpbp

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>>33995928
It's just an in-joke. Some DJs would rather not but others are fine with it.

The fact is, the vtuber songs are just as allowed as 2hus and animu.

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I don't want Pomu collabing with Kiara.
Kiara is fucking awful, keep her the fuck away

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>>33983897
To be honest if it got to the stage where nijis want to work with the MALES, the males should say not unless the girls get their collabs.

That would probably push management to give into it. HomoEN need the collabs more than the girls.

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>>33997688
This is believable. Japanese companies tend to be paranoid and anal af when it comes to foreigners. It dates back to the war when they went from an empire to a third world country and realized they needed to keep money from leaving the country (ie people importing too much shit).
They literally associate doing business abroad with losing control of their money. It’s a habit from the old days, and lots of smaller companies like Cover and Anycolor (I mean, small compared to Sony or Toyota) still have trouble getting out of that mindset.
Whoever you are, I probably find your rm entertaining. I might even give Tempus a try

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>>33983897
He forgot the part where Hololive already has a known history of blocking collabs.

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>>33995599
>>33995895
>>33996392
I think a misunderstanding is even less likely than the Chinese angle since there's little to no reason to think either side won't want to collab, and fearing the fans also doesn't make much sense considering what was mentioned in the video such as the Vshojo collabs or all the male stuff retardation from the last few weeks. Honestly I don't really have any well educated rrat for this situation because everything smells fishy and it's highly likely it's a bilateral thing for whatever reason. Maybe Cover didn't want to lose ground and tried to choke NijiEN early on, maybe Anycolor actually doesn't want any on-stream friendships to happen so that they won't have to deal with bilibili bitching about it, maybe neither side really likes how their ID and JP branches interact with each other but are afraid of becoming the public villains if they suddenly block collabs, or maybe none of these theories are correct and it's something much more complex that we'll never know or way simpler and we're just unable to see it.

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>>33998637
>nijisanji EN is good to collab with vshojo
>no hololive
Explain?

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>>33983897
>title implies it'll say why they can't collab
>doesn't say why they can't collab and just gives speculation

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>>34008486
Just fuck off with the chinese boogeyman already, the jp branches never stopped collabing and those are the ones more directly involved with Coco's bullshit that started this dumb narrative, nijiEN only got a sizeable Chinese audience with luxiem but the no collab drama has been happening since the start, I understand you fags have a massive Chinese dick up your asses but no matter how hard you try to spin this narrative it will never make any sense

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>>34009468
it's almost as if no one knew the reason and literally every single discussion we ever had about this was just people vomiting speculations in an attempt of putting the blame in whatever side they hate more

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>>33983978
based

[Anonymous No.]

>kiara collabs with nyanners
neutered her personality
>ina collabs with pikame
neutered her personality
Why do we want nijien collab with holoen again?

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should make a vid on why holofags keep begging for a collab when niji gets nothing out of it

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>>34010324
>kiara collabs with nyanners
>neutered her personality
BASED

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The only part of this discussion that I find annoying is that most people only look at the direct connection between Hololive and Nijisanji. I get that they're two of the biggest groups but only looking at these two distracts from Hololive EN historically having much more strict standards when it comes to collabs outside of their group relative to Nijisanji EN. This isn't necessarily a bad thing either, Hololive fans should know very well about the "Holo Bubble/Walled Garden" that helps to protect their girls from leeches and whatnot. Why is all of that thrown out the window when it comes to talking about this collab situation, is it really that bad to admit that NijiEN were just placed outside of the bubble? It worked out for NijiEN anyways as it allowed them to grow on their own and develop their own identity.

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>>33987641
You think the chinks watch the JPs? They are all funneled into NijiCN with the Luxiem fags and fujobait.

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>>34011046
The problem with this argument is that we don't know if the walled garden is actually something enforced by management or the girls just aren't interested in collabing with the greater EN scene. If it's truly a management thing then why they're allowed to interact with NijiEN but not other agencies? The majority of HoloEN members never interacted with them before, be it on stream chat or twitter, so if Cover really wanted to keep them isolated they would instruct the others who were interested on NijiEN to ignore them early on, but for some reason they didn't and let them create this Romeo and Juliet scenario that, justified or not, makes both Cover and Anycolor look bad. Also they let Magni collab with a girl who's one degree of separation from one of the biggest grifters from Twitch while never letting Mori collab with Critikal for some weird reason, so I don't think this angle has much to stand on either.

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>>33984090
tells us not to be trialist blames niji management, based deflecting the blame

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>>34012394
>or the girls just aren't interested in collabing with the greater EN scene.
Remember Pomu and Kiara?

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Hololive lives rent-free in NijiEN management's heads
/thread

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>steal old /vt/ rrats to make a shitty vid
>post it back on /vt/
>retards eat it up like candy
Is this the new way to farm (you)s?

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>>33984396
Collabs were blocked months before that discord leak you fucktard

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>>33983897
collabing with nijis is worse than collabing with males

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>>34012543
Remember reading the entire post?

[Anonymous No.]

LET THEM COLLAB YOU DIRTY BASTARDS

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>>33983978
based

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>>34010324
>>kiara collabs with nyanners
>neutered her personality
this was a good thing, Pikamee was just acting like how she does with completely new people.

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>>34014881
Classic holocope

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>>34014948
I bet you don't even watch VOMS nigger

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>>34014979
>already projecting
CLASSIC

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>>34012394
This. I think the only ones interested in outside collabs are the ones who have done them, and the only non-NijiEN stuff to not work out is Mori with Critikal and Kiara with Veibae.

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>>33983978
There isnt any bridge in Philippine

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>>34012394
>Also they let Magni collab with a girl who's one degree of separation from one of the biggest grifters from Twitch
I'm pretty sure the EN stars have a completely different set of rules and expectations. The Tempus boys get a lot of leeway and trust that wouldn't have been imaginable in the early days of Myth. Seriously, how many of their streams had to be edited or taken down now? It's absurd how much stupid shit they've bumbled into that would've gotten any of the girls eaten alive by management, Magni especially.

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>>33983897
God please rangeban SEA already.

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>>34021099
Kek

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>>34015269
He's right, though. Pika's autistic as fuck until she knows you and then she's still autistic as fuck, just in a different and more entertaining way. Pink cat acts similarly around strangers from what I've seen of her, which admittedly isn't much.

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>>33983978
fpbp

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>>33983897
Your videos have lost a good portion of their initial bite. Some are pretty good but the last several uploads have felt lacking and your opinions wishy-washy. Be more up-front with your statements or just don't say anything. Might as well be FalseEyed and just sugarcoat literally everything and have no opinions of your own at this point.

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>>33983978
fucking based fpbp

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>>33983978
fpbp

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>>33983897
Are you shilling your own youtube channel?

[Anonymous No.]

Some insider information for those nijifags too dumb to accept reality:

Kson was gonna participate in Scarratember but declined it after discovering Nijilivers were blocked by their company from showing in the same event as her because she "made political statements in the past".
So Niji management is either full of schizos or full of actual chinese agents.

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that narrative was already killed in the other thread and kson never mentioned niji at all, nice try

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>>33983897
NijiEN hasnt collab with KSON either?

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>>34040139
Yes they have.

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>>33983897
When will NijiEN collab with VShojoJP?

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>>34042130
No they haven't.

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>>33983978
Why don't you?

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>>33983978
Just nuke South-East Asia, or at least let China convert them all into slave labor.

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>>33992580
Not VShojoJP

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>>33983978
lmao