/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>works for an idol company
>''unfortunately idol culture is a thing''
???????

[Anonymous No.]

She's only in it for the money.

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>works

[Anonymous No.]

>>33704276
>in it for the money
>rejects GFE
>alienates schizo unicorns with male collabs

explain

[Anonymous No.]

>>33704336
>sells daki
>rejects gfe
something does not add up here

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>>33704336
She spent an entire year milking gachikoi and flip flopped for almost a month.
Someone (Mori) made her believe that she wouldn't lose gachikoi over this. She's in for a rude awakening.

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>>33704211
Just a whore that know nothing from hololive, the money is all she care

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I legit think she was so ignorant about the company and job, she literally thought it would be something VA-related that was easy and paid well. Whilst technically true, she got a massive reality slap when she saw the fanbase she unknowingly created during the first month. Add on the year-long contract(s) and you can see why things went the way they did with Kronii. What you have to remember is VA work means you're self-employed and when you get a job, it's a temporary thing with big gaps in-between. She's not used to consistency and providing frequent content, especially on this scale and platform.

To cut a long story short, she's a fucking entitled retarded western woman that didn't do her research or think long-term. To think she got the best model is such a shame. She deserves everything she's getting.

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>>33704377
the daki was ironic

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>>33704336
She wants easy money, she wants to just act like a whore (i.e. herself) for a couple hours a week and get paid

[Anonymous No.]

>>33704336
Easy. She's a retard.

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i'll play the devil's advocate here to see how this will transpire
clock's statement was a matter of poor phrasing, she wanted it to come off to look like not being a condescending prude as she (probably) seen ame's "improve yourself" fiasco.
what she really (probably) wanted to say is:
>unfortunately (for you), idol culture's a thing, so i have to play by the rules
what she wanted to say might've sounded better in her head, to be quite honest
>inb4 all the "cope harder" replies

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>>33704460
you knock down your number 3/4 that's about to take over you to stay at number 2
under the guise of "HELPING"

quite a karen thing to do
but this is what a white bitch would do =D

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>>33704336
Nah, she thinks twitter trannies will support her the same way her unicorns did

Yeah, she's fucked.

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>>33704914
>unfortunately (for you), idol culture's a thing, so i have to play by the rules
That doesn't make it sound better.

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>>33704336
She already earn a ton of money since she started Vtubing. I guess now its fine to "make a stand" and act based. Will be interesting to track her superchats from now on after this drama dies down a little bit, because now some of her old anti GFE members are donating IN SPITE! just to show "le incels" how she is still doing fine.
One of them is Rice of course, the most parasocial faggot among her fans, that literally completely changed his stance on the whole thing over night. The ultimate hypocrite.

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>>33704211
Anyone has a screenshot?

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>>33704914
I kind of agree, but it still shows how ignorant she is of idol culture; idols are unironically allowed to be around guys and work with them. It's all about trust and how you carry yourself around them. Professional idols don't make their fans feel like the third wheel. See: Sora, Suisei and Fubuki. Kronii's understanding of idols is entirely based on Twitter's woke tranny perception of it, which again proves she didn't do her research and underlines OP's point.

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>>33705067
>She already earn a ton of money since she started Vtubing.
Not sure if she paid attention to the current state of the economy and inflation. That money will evaporate pretty fast if this keeps up.

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>>33704211
She said that double standards were an unfortunate consequence of idol culture, stop trying to twist it into something else.

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>>33704211
You don't need idol culture to be a idol. The culture that has grown around these people is extremely toxic and unhealthy mentally. You guys need to stop worshipping the golden calf.

[Anonymous No.]

It's baffling that she made this comment when the biggest member of her entire branch is idolfag prime who sings shit like Fansa as her concert closer

[Anonymous No.]

>>33705186
This. Please, if any chuuba for EN3 is reading this, fuckin revive what an Idol truly meant from the very beginning. Back to your roots.

[Anonymous No.]

>idolfaggotry means GFE faggotry means unicorn faggotry means gachikoi faggotry
I really hate you fags for mixing up and merging the meanings of terms; it reduces everything into buzz words with no nuance.
>Gachikoi
100% in love (in this context it is with a vtuber). Nothing more.
>idolfag
Likes idols(idols have many interpretations with no one being objectively correct, typically comes in the form of growing in skills such as putting on a good public face, becoming better at singing and dancing, getting better at streaming etc.)
>unicorns
No males for any reason.
>GFE
Literally a term to describe prostitutes willing to simulate intimacy. Has nothing to do with unicorns and I would argue is not applicable to vtubers at all. GFE in some people's heads means 'attracting and encouraging people into becoming gachikoi.'

A vtuber gains gachikoi for any number of reason be it voice, personality, design. This is irrelevant to GFE, being unicorn friendly, or idols. Unicorns can be any number of things but they are only a subsection of gachikoi and idolfags.

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>>33705067
I hate that everyone that doesn't like what happened to Hololive after Tempus is somehow an incel or unicorn.
I doubt that actual unicorns even make up a significant percentage of the disappointed people.
I actually like the idea that they're an all female idol unit but it's getting increasingly harder to see them as that when a large part of their activity involves a supposed "male only" idol group.
If they did collabs like the couple JPs do where they wait over a month between collabs, there wouldn't be an issue.

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>>33705475
>I would argue is not applicable to vtubers at all
>Rushia existed

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>>33704211
You don't know what idol culture even is and apparently neither do the talents. Everyone is fucking larping at this point.

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>>33704914
clock-kun doesn't seem like the type to watch other holo streams

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>>33705278
What's an unfortunate consequence is that this retard got a job. No one forced her to throw the culture that helped grow her company and that her senpais fully embrace under the bus because she made a retarded comment about shipping and then flip flopped when she realized she likes her yuri ship

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>>33705718
You know maybe if every one including the talents implicitly knows what it is but you disagree that it's just you who'd the retard

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>>33704211
ackshually anon, the quote was
>yes, there unfortunately is because idol culture is a thing
now i wont defend kronii but reading comprehension tells me that it meant "Because of the culture surrounding idols, there is indeed a double standard with same-sex/opposite-sex shipping, unfortunately" and not "it is unfortunate that idol culture exists" nerd emoji

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>>33705827
Nigger idols regularly work with males just what kind of fucking established "culture" are you even talking about if the masses of fully fledged idols don't abide to your ridiculousness? Jesus christ get your head out of your own ass.

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>>33706105
She really needs to take a week off to actually touch grass and ignore retards like twitter and >us.

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>>33705510
This is basically my stance on this shit, but don't you dare say that out loud you will be called incel unicorn

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>>33706105
This is why it's 100% percent of the time retarded to give any attention to drama. Whoever controls the EN Holo Twitter is retarded too.

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>>33705186
Explain how they "don't make their fans feel like the third wheel" if in a literal collab, all you do is talk to and pay attention to your collab partner???

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>>33706165
>Nigger idols regularly work with males
This seems disingenuous since nobody is worried about Hololive working with males in a professional capacity. Do you really think anyone gets upset at them appearing on that bald comedians show? Claiming that "real idols work with males" is disingenuous because you know that real idols don't have males getting up on stage and performing with the talents. Streaming is performing. Yeah they interact with men, no shit, but men aren't part of the actual performance, are they? So you're making a false equivalence where a male interview is the same as collabing with a male in a stream, it's not the same thing

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>>33704211
people been meme'ing the idol part before EN was even a thing

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>>33704460
I thought you cgdct defenders were saying that unicorns =/= gachikoi. It explains why Mori still makes >100k yen per stream on most streams. So what is this sudden change in ideas that she will indeed lose money?

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>>33706478
Because it fits the narrative now

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>>33706357
Ask your chat questions related to the conversation you're having with your collab partner
>Get their chat involved
>Tell your collab partner things you've previously shared and discussed with your fans
>Get them to open up about the things they've shared with theirs
>Mention your collab partner's fans to let them know you're aware of their presence
>Don't fucking flirt or behave widly different, to the point where you lose your vtuber voice and laugh differently
>Be professional and respectful
It's really not fucking hard.

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>>33706478
Mori cornered the cuck market. Unfortunately there's not enough of them to keep a second chuuba afloat.
Not to mention that Kronii's only talent is autistic girl GFE. Nobody is going to tune in to watch her play video games badly while barely speaking. Or for her depressed zatsudans.

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>>33704914
>unfortunately (for you), idol culture's a thing, so i have to play by the rules
esl don't even try to explain this
She said what she meant, it was Freudian slip

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>>33706105
>double standards
no it's just a standard you twitter spawn troon

[Anonymous No.]

>>33706978
you illiterate faggot she LITERALLY says "double standards" in her comment

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>>33706105
I will fuck this bitch to take back my uncle nowa.
Pic related.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33705278
Its not fair! The sinecure job of playing video games for a few hours and week and get paid thousands for it has basic standards of professionalism!

[Anonymous No.]

>People took seriously the idol company meme
Fucking newfags

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>>33705282
Then get lost instead of shitting up yet another niche subculture. If idol culture is "toxic" then stick to your queer body of colour friendly twitch political pedo scene, or better yet join the 41%.

[Anonymous No.]

I heard mori has become a twitchnigger too.
Why do they make the mistake of thinking they are talented streamers(except JP)?
If not for cover, no one would have ever heard of these girls.

[Anonymous No.]

Why do people think she will lose a significant amount of money from this move? Why can NijiEN girls do well on superchat while collabing with males but you don't think holos can?

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>>33707655
>NijiEN girls do well on superchat
lol
Many people don't even know that NijiEN has girls. Because they are just accessories to males.

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>>33704211
Did everyone forget that yagoo refers to his own creation as an entertainment company and not an idol agency? Did everyone forget that JP managers and JP talents have been on the record talking about how they aren't idols, knew they weren't joining an idol agency, and don't operate in idol culture?

[Anonymous No.]

So, everything you do has a completely perfect product/fanbase/culture?
Regardless of your opinion, terrible foundation to build an argument on

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>>33705922
every time i think of this line it reminds me that some of these women don't actually know what fucking job they walked into. like no, kronii, some of the people you're talking to probably don't have female friends because they don't have ANY friends and are loser permavirgins who pretend YOU are their friend, see how that works? in return for you providing this service, they give you their money, their view time, their devotion in whatever way they can (fanart, sperging about you on imageboards, whatever.) like you're a fucking pretend anime girl, your most devoted fans are going to be people like that and talking to them like that will remind them that they're still friendless losers and they will detest you and start metaphorically lighting things on fire.

i can't believe i have to explain this as if it isn't fucking obvious but again, some of these women don't get it. like how the fuck can you be shocked at this? it's like the "improve yourself" line, of course people got mad, the people who show up to every minute of every stream are beyond improvement and if they weren't they would be out doing something exciting with their life.

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>>33707368
I like this cope about this being about new people coming in and replacing the old fans. As if when Gura streamed her first karaoke to 100k people, her audience was just based unicorns. No one in the West even considered Hololive idols at that point so it's hilarious cope that it's only newfags that don't demand strict adherence to unicorn standards.

Just face it, the hobby has been mainstream from the start and you'll just have to tolerate some of the talents as well as the audience having different definitions of what Hololive is.

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder if she'd be happier if she ended up in a different corpo instead or if she didn't have a model by a Type-Moon artist.

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>>33705510
I think part of the problem is that Kronii doesn't stream a lot. If she were a streaming monster like Kaela or Koyori I doubt people would care as much.
When you barely stream 4 times a week and 2 of those are collabs with males it's not a good look. She should try to stream more, especially if she wants to salvage her career and appeal to the normalfags.

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>>33706105
If you actually paid any fucking attention to the context at all you'd realize she's lying about idol culture. Idol culture has nothing to say about attacking fans for shipping you. In fact, idol culture would say don't acknowledge that at all. She's the one who has the double-standard, she's the one who doesn't like being shipped with males because it makes her uncomfortable. She just doesn't want to say it's her choice and blames this boogeyman of idol culture that doesn't exist because the implications of what she's demanding are too intimate about her sexual preferences (and would be considered homophobic to her alphabet people).

I mean, anyone who isn't trying to bend over backwards to suck her dick can see she's just using idol culture as a scapegoat because she knows people will support her in blaming it for something. It's the equivalent of saying, "unfortunately, because the patriarchy is a thing" after getting caught cheating on your husband.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33707801
Total superchat
Kronii $349,798
Pomu $343,155
Bear in mind Kronii has double the subs and triple the average viewers Pomu does. Pomu collabs with males regularly and is making around the same as Kronii.

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>>33704914
>unfortunately (for you), idol culture's a thing, so i have to play by the rules
How does this make it any better, you do know that idol culture is a thing because it's what fans of idols want, right?

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>>33705510
Just accept the fact that incels were right all along now that troons and roasties are destroying your hobby

[Anonymous No.]

>>33707011
where?

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>>33706638
I mean, sometimes that shit happens and sometimes it doesn't, it really depends on the type of game and/or collab the chuubas do, for example in a just chatting collab they clearly can do chat dynamics but if they're on a FPS co-op there's no way they're even gonna look at chat for more than a couple seconds to read what's on screen. But even so, I don't remember feeling particularly left out whenever two or more chuubas play games and just interact with each other cause I guess my brain subconsciously understands they're putting an entertainment we're the watchers?
Also
>Don't fucking flirt or behave widly different, to the point where you lose your vtuber voice and laugh differently
This meme? Seriously? If you're talking about Kronii both things never happened, and the "BIG LAUGH" was literally because of a goof she provoked, nothing Altare did that "made her laugh".

But I think I understand that none of these things would really be a problem to you or things you would bat an eye or even think about if it was a regular girl-on-girl collab lmao

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>>33708073
Another example
Selen - $263,940
Fauna - $258,593
Fauna has better CCV, more subs and both debuted around the same time. Yet Selen collabs with males and she's made more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33708417
Didn't Selen debut way before Kronii?
Are you ignoring months and months of SC?

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>>33707957
You can tell someone is a newfag when the farthest back they can remember vtubers is Gura's debut. But yeah your so right Kizuna Ai had an audience full of pedo groomers like you when she started and she is famous for not caring about the sexist racist colonialist queerphobic toxic fatphobic white supremacist social construct called "idol culture".

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>>33708073
>>33708417
Also keep in mind that NijiEN also uses Streamlabs, so for some of the girls (mostly Pomu and Rosemi) there are tens of thousands $$ of donos not being counted in these totals.

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>>33708073
>>33708417
Now compare them to Gura's SCs

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>>33708417
Another example
Elira - $224,785
Mumei - $223,470
Mumei has higher CCV and subs Elira on the other hand collabs with males regularly but their superchat is around the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33704336
Being in it for the money doesn't mean you're good at your job. Kronii legitimately didn't know about the no males thing at first.

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>>33708522
Selen got superchats in August. Kronii, Fauna, and the rest of Council got superchats in September. 1 month difference

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>>33708602
Gura has been around for 8+ months longer than everyone we're discussing. NijiEN vs Council is only 1-2 months difference from each other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33708602
Gura actually has the lowest SC to sub ratio
Its ridiculous that she loses to Kiara and Mori even though she has 2x more subs and viewers than both

[Anonymous No.]

>>33708621
Why'd she sell a daki cover

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>>33707560
These girls have proven to be widely successful in Hololive over recent months, and their capacity to go against the grain and innovate upon the stale JP approach to entertainment simply proves that they have evolved beyond being regular streamers. At this point pretty much all of them have developed the skills necessary to make it on their own as independents, "idol culture" or not, "unicorns" or not.

Face it anon.

Y O U
L O S T .

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>>33708323
The behaving wildly different thing relates to members like Mori, Ollie, Bae, Matsuri and even Towa sometimes, although she's better now. It wasn't aimed at Kronii although I'm sure she won't be normal Kronii on her own, with a male collab partner (we'll see soon). For large group collabs and for select games, I agree. Those things I listed would be hard to pull off. I disagree with your last point though. You're forgetting that it's mostly males that watch streams. If I watch two women being cute and completely ignoring me, that's what I signed up for. It's just more cuteness. If I see my cute female oshi with a male, that's not what I signed up for because that wasn't the original content I've been literally subscribed to for over a year. I'm sure the female fans of the stars (EN and JP) don't like whores near their boys either but are fine with bro collabs because it's 2 for 1 (if the collab partner is someone they like).

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>>33708622
Yeah I'm not trying to say these are perfect matchups but if collabing with males is really that massively damaging to your donos how are these NijiEN girls that debuted around the same time as council making similar amounts of superchat in spite of collabing with males and having much smaller audiences?

[Anonymous No.]

I genuinely can't understand what she's trying to achieve.
I got that feeling from her since debut.

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>>33705067
>completely changed his stance on the whole thing over night.
Sunken cost fallacy is one of the strongest forces in the universe. Everyone claims they would drop their oshi instantly if they even mentioned a man, but when it actually happens and people realize how much time and money they have spent so far, you start to see even diehard unicorns coming up with excuses and justifications.

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>>33708834
I dunno why but Council in general never did well in superchats
If you compare to Myth after 1 year, even Ina the lowest earner was well above all of them

[Anonymous No.]

I don't there's in interference with idol culture if they collab with old men/host types like Aruran, maybe even Rob though I guess that can be an argument.

irl idols interact with male hosts on variety shows and whatever all the time, I think there's a huge difference between interacting with people like them and interacting with male idols

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>>33708762
She probably thinks people buy that ironically and not to literally pretend they are dating her.
>Don't you have female friends?

[Anonymous No.]

EN was never marketed as an idol branch, and management told the girls they didn't have to sing or dance, just be content creators.
Source: Kiara, like 2 fucking years ago

[Anonymous No.]

In other words, I have delivered many times more than council, and finally got only the same level of super chat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33708947
>EN members were forced to sing and dance on stage either on their own or with* the JP idols, to a mostly JP audience that respects idol culture

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>>33708546
We're discussing EN talents so I think it's very apt to bring up EN events, no? If you'd like we can discuss how JP talents literally thought them becoming idols was a joke, and how early Hololive was heavily focused on entertainment rather than idol activities.

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>>33708947
Kiara is one of the few westerners that actually understand idols, and the sole idolfag in holoEn, yet when she was called an idol on the crunchyroll interview she corrected them unprompted. Plus hololive's culture has always differed heavily from idol culture even for japanese talents. Anyone still citing idol culture is just arguing in bad faith. Even Kronii was a retard for bringing it up as if it was a relevant point.

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>>33706357
Don't ask the chat something and then utterly ignore it while focusing on someone she's collabing with before even getting the answer for example

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>>33708791
See that's the thing. If because male collabs are not what you signed up for you have to have a mental checklist of things they have to do in order to pass some arbitrary standards to keep things "regulated" when you're watching them, you're better off just not watching them altogether, and it would then keep your CGDCT experience "unchanged".

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>>33708783
>The ability to teach how to be a streamer
Yet whenever she speaks, it's always boring, cringe, uncreative, awkward. If this bitch is qualified to teach how to stream then the future of streamer/vtuber is looking grim.

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>>33708073
No consideration is given to the number or length of streams.

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>>33708714
That's because Gura doesn't try to milk her fanbase for SCs anywhere near as much, she could easily get a flood of superchats but she doesn't feel the need.

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>>33708936
Male idols are even fine to me, but Tempus are not idols, they're just standard Twitch fags. If you watch actual Holostars, apart from Roberu whose content is all about getting raped by a rabid pack of females, they really are just the genderswapped version of Hololive. Cute boys doing cute things. Watching four of them collab on Kirby is not somehow a totally different thing to four Hololive girls playing Kirby together. The problem with inserting a male/female combo into those streams is it just inherently ruins the dynamic, I wouldn't be against them doing those sorts of streams since they are harmless but I would skip them because they just aren't fun to watch because people have to behave differently. Like Oga is cute and him doing stuff with certain Holos doesn't bother me in the slightest. But suddenly bringing him into something like the Minecraft Summer Festival would just be awkward and less fun.

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>>33708936
oh and obviously the content matters, if it's professional versus flirting/frequent teasing/whatever

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>>33708783
Meanwhile in reality whori's viewership has absolutely plunged

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>>33704575
Very big english, many grass. Understand?

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>>33709288
Why would you consider something that doesn't matter? Do they get paid via SCs or per hour streamed? Obviously it's the former hence what people will count. Plus you just admitted your lazy whores don't stream.

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>>33709141
No, you're the one arguing in bad faith. It doesn't matter that they don't meet whatever specific criteria YOU think they need to be considered "real" idols, people want to support them as if they are anyway.
People want to see them as a group growing and improving at singing, dancing, art, ect. It's important that they are actually viewed as a cohesive group for this.
There's a reason why Hololive has so much overlap in fans compared to Niji, it's because many people are fans of the whole group since they're connected while Niji doesn't have any real connection other than name.
Integrating guys into the group is going to disrupt the view of Holo as a female idol group, they'll pretty much just be Niji where everyone is doing their own things.

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>>33708783
Her CCV's doesn't match with your point anon.
>grain and innovate
Can you elaborate?

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>>33709527
>Its "your" opinion
>I literally cited Kiara
I won't read the rest. Fuck off. They aren't idols.

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>>33709113
Early JP talents like... Kizuna Ai? You know who that even is right?

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>>33704211
Im all for her collabing with males, even as far as shipping her with them.
Actually I want to ship her with Blueboy, they seem Fit for each other.
>Unicorns are BTFO'ed anyways, so I guess its OK right?

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>>33709288
If collaborating regularly with males is supposed to scare away all your gachikoi fans and kill your superchat like is being suggested then surely it shouldn't matter how much the Niji girls are streaming nobody should be willing to donate to them right?

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>>33704211
>It's an inside joke among the fanbase that holo is NOT an idol company. Hell, even Kiara said so.
>REEEE Hololive is an idol company!!! HOW DARE SHE COLLAB WITH MALES!!!!

Do you niggers really?

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>>33709662
Maybe you should read the rest, the point is that it doesn't matter whether they're "real" or not. Fans want to support them as if they are real.

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>>33709694
Posts like this will never stop being funny, you're literally joining the OP in saying Kronii is shitting on Hololive fans rather than going with the Kronii defender cope of saying it's a misunderstanding.

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>>33709694
Twitter trannies are definitely "in" on the "joke"

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>>33709681
I think you might be obtuse on purpose, but I very clearly meant Hololive in my post. And I sincerely hope you don't think Kizuna AI started off trying to be an idol, or that she cared about appealing to unicorns.

But that's besides the point, which is that Hololive EN audience has never been unicorns, and most of the original audience in fact does not care about many of the things you do. No matter what you yourself think Hololive is, it'd be good for your own arguments with that audience if you accept the facts of the matter, rather than huffing copium fueled fantasies about how you're the original fan and everyone that disagrees is someone new.

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>>33709689
>Actually I want to ship her with Blueboy, they seem Fit for each other.
CLEARLY but like most love stories they need some kind of pressure to get the ball going. i hope this "drama" will make her open up to him

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>>33707937
People with no friends, or no contact to the other sex, do themselves no favour by playing pretend with some person on the internet. You HAVE to talk to people to not feel alone. Talking to a streamer on the internet with thousands of viewers is the second last thing you should do if "social ableism", and demanding people wrap the world in cotton for you and pretend they are all just as hurt as you, is frankly on par with being triggered by "neurotypical" or "able-bodied" people. It's self-inflicted misery asking other people to drown with you.

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>>33709527
I don't think there's actually that much difference when it comes to EN in terms on fan overlaps. NijiEN have pushed that family thing hololive usually goes for since the start. So while there's gap between fans of the males and fans of the females within the females or within the males you have similar overlaps in fanbase with a lot of people being fans of whole debut units for example.

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>>33704211
She's an idiot and I've disliked her like two months in but I tolerated her because Mumei and Fauna adore her.

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>>33707937
People MASSIVELY twisted the "improve yourself" line, though it's no surprise from a site like this where every damn word a chuuba utters is misconstrued as the final yab.
She wasn't telling the lonely mentally ill fanbase that they never did anything worthwhile in their lives so they're bad people and should start improving, she literally meant for people that seethe (like everyone here is doing) at male collabs to improve themselves in that regard, aka stop foaming at the mouth and overreacting about male collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

Kronmei status?

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>>33710443
I was more talking about the JP side of things since you're obviously right about the EN side.
The EN side also had the benefit of having the Holo audience that were already used to treating things as a whole group.
I feel like my main point still stands though, it's important to have a strong, unifying group image and a lot of people like Hololive for it's all female idol group image. That's one of the main reasons why so many people watch them as opposed to other groups.

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>>33710694
Dead

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>>33710691
How thick do the walls on the hugbox have to be where saying "I have preferences" is considered foaming at the mouth?

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>>33708783
>Innovative
Doing what every other e-whore does is not innovating, mouth breather cuck.

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>>33710691
that's some amazing revisionist history cope
It was a dif at her fans and it was intended as a dig at her fans
Same as Kronii with her "do you not have female friends"
The only reason they dont call the entire fanbase incels constantly is because management doesnt let them

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>>33710694
Dead, she's getting shipped with Tempus now and she has no right to complain.
It wouldn't be right for her to have fun collabing with them but stop other people's fun by telling them not to ship her with them. It's not like she's particularly worried about her image anyway.

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>>33704211
As a Korean you would think she would be hip with it. Since they have an even more deranged flavor of idol culture.

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>>33711022
>Korean
is she OG Korean? I thought she was 1st or 2nd gen Korean living in Canada. From my experience if you arent OG or 1st gen most people usually ditch their family's culture and just adopt whatever is dominant in the area

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>>33710694
Dead,technically she killed her ships (men ad women) with her comment in clippter channel

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>>33705282
It's perfectly natural for someone to be jealous of their escort getting chummy with and flirting with hot guys.

The core problem is when VTubers don't make it clear what their stance on parasocial behavior is or flip-flop, which is exactly Kronii's fuckup.

It's perfectly fine for a viewer to form a parasocial relationship with a VTuber if that's what the VTuber wants. They get a lot more money out of that, Rushia topped Playboard for a reason.

If you're saying "parasocial relationships with VTubers shouldn't exist", that's the same bullshit as trying to say prostitution shouldn't exist.

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>>33711328
She fucking despises her family, she seems like Bobby Lee Korean. The seriously mentally-ill kind who hates her family but still hates every other race more.

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>>33711328
she actively supports that korean feminist cult

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>>33711000
Kromei is the most popular ship though, beating Gurame, Baerys and Takamori. Literally gets the most fan fics out of anyone in EN.

[Anonymous No.]

i don't like unicorn and all but i also don't like twitter normalfag "muh idol culture" sadly Kronii is one of them, Sora is actual real idol yet doesn't had this kind of shit while Kronii NOT real idol and with fanbase full of EOP who don't even know about idol yet somehow it's idol culture fault

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>>33711474
Yeah, where are the fanfics then?

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>He still thinks LET'S PLAYERS WITH DIGITAL AVATARS are idols
lmao

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>>33708059
I know this is a hot take, but I want at least to see how October plays out since it’ll probably be a better barometer of how often this will actually happen since this past month is not a fair indicator of future trends because she was on break for half of it.

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>>33711552
On AO3 like usual.

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>>33710952
Ah yes, everyone was clearly politely and calmly stating "I have preferences" as their response to that possibility, I totally imagined the amount of people getting all up in arms in social media, her own superchats and of course here for her to not collab with males.
>>33710996
Suure, both were completely personal digs, in your brain at least. I already explained to you Ame's intent with that, everyone who wasn't trying to twist her stances (just like this thread's literal fucking OP with Kronii's "unfortunately because idol culture etc") understood what she was saying, and Kronii was just being retarded and oblivious to reality, there was no malintent in her asking that.

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>>33708783
>JP numbers keep going up
>EN numbers keep going down
heh

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>>33711707
I checked and holy shit the cringe

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>>33708073
Kronii did not foster an audience like hers, so she may be hit harder.

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>>33704211
>works for an idol company
I think a lot of people saw EN as their meal ticket. What connor said wasn't entirely wrong, entering the company did guarantee some success but they still have to put in some effort to maintain the company's brand. What Kronii is experiencing now is the 2nd half of the contract she signed. She got the fame,wealth, success associated with the Hololive Brand and now she's trying to buck the Idol requirement that other talents have done in the past.

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>>33711795
There’s no helping in the unfun kind of brainrot in some folks here sadly. Mumei could say something innocuous like “I want to try something different” on Twitter, and a dozen people here would make the claim that was code for her engaging in offpako sessions with Tempus.

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>>33710618

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>>33704211
She's so shamelessly ungrateful.

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>>33711795
Taking Ame's antis as anything but a joke was impossible for me the moment people went "SHE PROMISED" on her trying out Nier and saying she does not enjoy it enough to keep playing.

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>>33704211
What she was very clearly trying to say:
>I think ships are all in good fun, however due to idol culture being a thing, people take ships with men way more seriously, so refrain from shipping me with men.
What schizos think she said:
>I hate Hololive and everything it stands for.
Please do your reading comprehension reps.

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>>33711795
Ironically if you had ever interacted with a western woman in the last decade you'd know the twitter warrior type and know exactly what they're doing

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>>33712489
>doesnt even know Ahoy or about Coco
>a-actually she loves idol culture and hololive and its fans
holty fucking cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>33706165
kill yourself deadbeat

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>>33712621
What is this post even

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>>33710441
then are you going to help those miserable loners fix their lives after their tiny shining light on the virtual internet told them to "improve themselves"? you gonna be their friend? pay for their therapist? check up on them regularly to make sure they're doing themselves good?
no?
then fuck off and leave them to deal with their miserable life the only way they know how.

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>>33708783
I mean it makes sense if you attend her class, literally do the opposite of everything she tells you to make you successful and it'd work. While using the social circle it comes with I guess. Ironic unironic etc etc

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>>33712621
Who are you quoting?

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>>33712830
>twitter user doesnt know about Ahoy or Coco
dealing with you twittards is tiring,at least watch Kronii isntead of just ruining her and leaving her to die

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>>33711795
keep on gaslighting teamate

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>>33704211
Simps are broken people who dump cash on women who stream and devolve into red faced crying babies when they have to confront the fact that said women regularly interact with men

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>>33712880
>4chan users having empathy towards mentally ill loners instead of telling them to off themselves
what the fuck happened

[Anonymous No.]

>>33712489
Kronii deservedly got called out for her double standards.
Have all ships or no ships.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33713102
the 4chan losers ARE the mentally ill loners all you have to do is look at the insane amount of users who cream themselves every time a rom com comes out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33712980
No I’m just impressed by the gold medal you gave yourself for the mental gymnastics you had to do to interpret her comment like that, it’s honestly impressive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33713125
Well that's a reasonable argument to have. My problem is just with people twisting her words to mean she hates Hololive, which is clearly not what was being said.

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>>33713102
it's called egging them on instead of generic slur 1,2 and 3 anon.
what other purpose do non-stop cuckposting serve other than seeing if any schizos go off the rail and go on a stabbing spree. Now with moderation approval too since it's the 'right thing to do, owning them incels' kek

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>>33711328
>>33711456
korean + woman = disaster

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>>33707368
Stop spitting out buzzwords because someone disagrees with you, it makes you sound crazy. Your niche subculture has become twisted and you're acting like a possissive jilted lover. I like vtubers, have since I discovered Kizuna AI, but people like you make it hard to call myself a vtuber fan.

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>>33713198
someone who hasnt even heard of Ahoy or the Coco incident is not a fan of vtubers/idols
Someone who is not a fan of vtubers/idols saying "Unfortunately idol culture exists" is saying it because they don't like the culture
interpreting it any other way takes a much larger leap

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>>33713635
I'd be very surprised if even you believed this line of reasoning.

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>>33704914
cope

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>>33713741
At the end of the day, good chunk of people here will always make asses of themselves and say dumb shit even they don’t fully believe since they have nothing else giving them joy in their lives outside of the occasional (You).

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>>33709527
If it doesn't matter what he thinks why should any fan's opinion matter?

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No English Holos give a fuck about Hololive being an idol company except Kiara. When Mori joined she said she resented idol culture until she saw Milkyqueen stream. These girls became invested after seeing Coco and Haachama break those barriers down, not people like Sora staying in line.

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>>33704211
Hololive is not an idol company.
It is like Nijisanji but with idol reps and a salary. It just happens that Sankisei accidentally changed the culture to be idol-heavy and unicorn-friendly.

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>>33714030
>causing their golden age and defining the vtubing meta till now
and that was a bad thing for hololive because..?

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>>33711437
It's not fine to form a parasocial relationship because when you do /vt/ happens. Prostitution is fine so long as you don't become clingy because of it. You don't own the vtubers anon.

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>>33714191
It wasn't a bad thing at all. Hololive has always strived to maintain a diverse set of talents, all with their different brands. Sora, Coco, Pekora, Marine, Towa, Luna, Miko all have their own quirks and wildly different types of content they like to do, and that's been Hololive's strength from the beginning. Appealing to a diverse set of tastes is good, and it's awesome that sankisei brought in their own niche.

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>>33714405
this sounds like what kronii wanted to write but what came out was the post I replied to which read like 'unfortunately it's a thing'

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>>33712880
Either accept you place at the margins of society and embrace being ground to dust for the machine kinow that the world is a better place because of it.
OR
Link up with other lonely people and fight against the machine in any way you find possible and palatable for the outcome you want that lets you go outside and be happy, then retire for the night to watch Vtubers for relaxation and entertainment.
To sit and do nothing but crave attention and pout is the behavior of a tumor of the soul of humanity.

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>>33704914
>as she (probably) seen ame's "improve yourself" fiasco
Either she didn't, she is unironically retarded, or she seriously believes that all her fans have friends of the opposite sex

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>>33713997
Haachama is still an idol just a weird one, but its annoying to see people defend the Reddit dragon after shitting on Kroni or Mori when she is the one who basically started this.

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>>33715620
Yeah, it makes perfect sense why redditors support Coco so much but when those same people come here and take contra-reddit takes on EN for completely hypocritical reasons, it's clear they are just braindead.

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>>33714030
Gura changed her profile to make it explicit that she is an idol. Lots of hololive members are idols.
They might not be an idol company exclusively but it's insane and untenable to have a company where a number of the people actively hate what the other people are

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>>33715620
Haachama recently said that back then she didn't believe that the whole idol shtick would sell, and leaned heavily on entertainment instead. And I think she was right, the audience at the time wasn't looking for idols. She also mentioned that things are different now, and Hololive has cultivated audience where a good portion of the fans are indeed in it for the idol experience.

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>>33715620
shut up, chink

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>>33715835
Kronii hates Gura and everything she stands for so much that she took part in Gura's idol 3D live.

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>>33715620
>>33715728
Coco isn't comparable to them, she was still dedicated to her idol activities. She just had perspective as a JP girl who could engage with English audiences and leddit was just the avenue to utilize.

Yeah she was crass but if you actually get into the world of "idols" there are a wide variety beyond your standard AKB whatever types.

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>>33715907
it was recorded months ago before she changed her profile and all this shit happened

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Personally I don't even really care about the idol stuff, I just like vtubers because it's cute girls doing cute things in real time. But when a guy is in the stream it ruins the whole vibe so I don't watch it. I used to like to watch NijiEN quite a bit once 90% of streams had a guy in it I lost interest. If I wanted to watch a guy I could watch literally any other well known streamer.

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>>33716088
She's not a JP though. The difference between her and Mori is simply timing. You're like the retarded boomers who go on about how bad feminism is and then pick the feminists from forty years ago who would believe the same things today and say they were the good feminists. You can't love Coco for what she represented but then hate the people who represent those same things now. You can say her time was acceptable because things hadn't degenerated so far overall but you'd still have to have a problem with who she was and acknowledge she's at the forefront of these things you pretend you don't like now. You don't have to not like her, I understand why so many people in the EN community worship her. You just can't pretend you like her but hate her students for rational reasons.

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>>33710694
Dying dead ship

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Why do morons continue to argue about "idol culture" regarding EN when Cover have come out multiple times and said EN are not idols? Are fans just trying to retroactively apply the "idol" label even though only like 2 people in EN are capable of singing and dancing? Seems retarded. They were never hired to be idols, American idols do not exist. Seething about it now won't change anything when you could've been doing your JP reps instead.

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>>33716267
How is Gura's profile relevant here? I thought we were talking about Kronii hating idols, despite taking part in an idol live.

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>>33707937
Now now, the improve yourself line wan't that bad, is just that ordering stuff like that always brings resistence, in this cases if the chubba really wanted to make their audience "improve" they could lead by example. "Hey let's improve together, that would be fun" it's always more appealing than "hey, I must remind you're a fucking loser, why don't you fuck off and do something more productive than being here with me"

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>>33717610
hags like Botan and Marine have fans in the gym, making games, making art, making money because they know how to manage their fans
Instead of inspiring people and making them want to do better themselves from within, people like Ame and Kronii just want to beat people down

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>>33705278
You judge it yourself

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>>33704211
>idol company

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>>33707937
Thanks, you said everything

[Anonymous No.]

>>33716673
>the feminists from forty years ago who would believe the same things today and say they were the good feminists
Is this how you cope? Those would still dunk on the men, but also on the "modern" women.

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>>33718903
This is fake right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33719149
No, she really is a prostitute.

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>>33718903
Link?

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>>33704914
kronii has zero awareness about what's happening with the other girls in hololive, same as mori, they don't care and think their own IRL projects are much more important

[Anonymous No.]

>>33704211
>I want the benefits of Idol Culture with none of the stuff that comes with it
Woman moment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33718903
I reiterate >>33706179
Kronii needs to stop being terminally online.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33710441
>>33710691
>>33717610
Nothing that anon said is incorrect, /vt/, vtubing and the greater fandom of just people addicted to watching streamers in general all really suffer from this.
Every single person who watches a streamer for more than 1 hour, sets notifications for their streams, gives them messages in the vain hope the streamer will read their name and say thank you, all of these people are parasocial.
Streaming is about farming parasocial relationships with the least amount of effort possible.
Trying TOO hard to farm them appears desperate, while not trying hard enough appears like you don't care about your viewers.
Vtubing amplifies all of this even more because the majority of your audience actively hate the real world and want to live in a delusion, vtubers are specifically catering to parasocial fans who want to live in a fantasy.
This is why successful vtubers cover up their hands and never show what they really look like, it's so that fantasy never gets destroyed.

Anyone that disagrees with this doesn't disagree with it on any factual basis of reality, they disagree with it on the basic that it makes them uncomfortable that a hobby they saw simply as entertainment was actually just a series of grifters taking advantage of friend and affection starved loners for monetary quid pro quo gain.

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>>33708783
It's weird how mori thinks she is an authority on anything, she was handed everything, even going back to her IRL, and it's only been through charity that people entertained her for this long.

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>>33719715
based

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>>33719715
yarrharr, it's my mental illness, so I get to choose the coping mechanism

[Anonymous No.]

>>33719715
I swear, people that say "i OnLy waTCh vTuBEr'S foR ENteRtAinMeNT" are more delusional than everyone else they call parasocial.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33720217
It's like the vocally anti-loli crowd. Projection.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33720217
Agree. The arbitrary limits listed for what is parasocial show a "what I am doing is normal" cope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33719824
This. her big breakout song (RIP) was the one that other people wrote for her. none of her original music came close to that one, and her whole fanbase is built on that one stupid song.

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>>33720274
Some people just have zero ability to see themselves, how can you buy $100's of merch, be in someones stream for 30+ hours a week and happily show off that you are a 13 month member/sub, and not somehow think you aren't being extremely parasocial with the streamer.

Streaming is completely parasocial, whenever I tried streaming, I constantly had people in the chat asking me if they could join me in game, all they wanted was a friend who liked the same thing and it's what they were searching for.
Successful streamers know how to kind of edge their audience and create a distance with them based on hierarchy.
>friendship with me is only possible for my most loyal of fans and is locked behind paywalls
>you will not get to directly talk to me, but you will be allowed to be seen on the same screen as me
>oh you want to tell your friend a funny joke? you'll have to pay $10+ for TTS, you might even get to be a 6 second clip in a stream compilation

[Anonymous No.]

>>33720799
My indie oshi does that, and I've yet to regret my 6-month T3.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33719004
Cover is tech, Hololive is idol company https://youtu.be/aVSEJ_Qs2Gk

[Anonymous No.]

>>33720217
That's literally all I watch them for, though. I see notifications for gaming/zatsudan shit, I just ignore. I only watch the karaoke streams to listen to music. Just sounds like you're projecting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33719715
I think you are wrong. A lot of people, a lot of the most hardcore fans even form communities around these streams and streamers actual social communities you know. Where they talk about their interests, play games together, do productive projects, express themselves artistically. It's not all fucking lonely curmudgeons sat alone with nobody to talk to on 4chan. A lot of people are out there making long term friends and developing meaningful worthwhile skills through this stuff.

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>>33719715
That's fine and all, but my main issue is with people who say this is inherently a bad thing. It's really no different from what others are doing. I've been inspired to improve myself the most from it, since I saw something really worthwhile. Now I realize there can be people like that out there, and that I should strive to achieve a similar standard.
>>33721795
This, people are inspired by different things. Inspiration drives change and can come in different forms, it can be real motivation. I'm not gonna speak for everyone, things can be healthy and unhealthy, but I don't like generalizations with no nuance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33704211
No wonder the meme pronouns grills is kinda retarded, still a total cutie pie

[Anonymous No.]

>>33715835
Kronii doesn't hate idol culture she hates that Cover gave her a model with huge boobs and a stripper outfit. She has no control over how Cover markets her character so she agrees to a birthday daki but than makes fun of the fans that bought it. It isn't about idol fans or even coomers she is simply finding indirect ways to hurt Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33722791
just graduate

[Anonymous No.]

>>33722791
she doesnt care if she hurts other people along the way, that's for sure

[Anonymous No.]

Please, please tell me that 2000's radar missiles are better than F1's

[Anonymous No.]

>>33724011
whats that anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33724123
Fuck, wrong thread :<<<<

[Anonymous No.]

>>33704211
Does anyone have a source for when she said this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33721795
>>33722666
This is a phenomena that has always existed, it's engrained in human psychology to seek out hierarchy.
For especially lonely people, like kpop stans, vtuber fans, they get attached to a cult of personality and their parasocial attachment gets validated by others
This is the reason why so much saviorfagging exists in vtuber spheres, parasocial fans want to show off to each other as much as they want to show off to the streamer

[Anonymous No.]

Hold the phone. You incels are actually DEFENDING idol culture?

Hooly fuck I knew it was bad but this is just grim.

The best thing I did lately was take my doggo to a flower festival and sit in the grass with her. Maybe some of you would benefit from some grass touching. Its worse than I thought.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33724306
It was underneath a clip where she wanted to explain her meltdown a bit more when she called her fans maidenless behavior and asked if they had any friends of the opposite sex >>33718903

[Anonymous No.]

>>33724489
now hold on a second..

[Anonymous No.]

>>33704211
Also just a coincidence, nothing to see here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33706105
>>33704211
Kronii was a mistake. As someone that shit on hololivehistorian for his schizo ramblings about her I apologize
You were right all this time I'm sorry

[Anonymous No.]

>>33719272
>linking a members stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>33724567
>underneath a clip
wow she is a retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>33724489
You do realize you are in a hololive thread, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33725130
I mean she made a followup stream where she demonized shipping, calling it gross to ship her with her coworkers, then in the morning after the stream she had to apologize on twitter and say how much she personally loves shipping, especially fanfics, and just wants everyone involved to be comfortable with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>33724489
How's the transition coming along? I shudder to think what you did with your "doggo" after you went to the park, freak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33725147
Well, yes, but I thought Conner had drilled some sense into their thick skulls a long LONG time ago.

But by the looks of it, incels gunna incel, as they say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33725510
Connor got blacklisted from collabs because of his negative statements about hololive, it's partly why mori is lashing out like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>33704211
>""""""""idol company""""""""
Seriously, get new material already.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>33725575
>Lashing out
>by releasing a collab song with Watame
Are you okay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33724489
You guys are really bad at trolling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33707151
Fellow Vestie, I just wanted you to know that you are unimaginably based.

[Anonymous No.]

I hated kronii from day 1. Glad others have finally come to their senses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33705475
>mixing up and merging the meanings of terms
How do you wake up in the morning and cope with the fact that you speak English, of all fucking languages?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33725620
she was specifically mimicking this statement
she specifically decided to mimic a phrase seen as meme of hating and mocking your fans
but people still cope that she didn't know what she was saying or didnt mean anything by it

[Anonymous No.]

>>33725623
She 100% is lashing out that she can no longer collab with her IRL friends, do your reps, she's been bragging about it on her rm account that she likes "riling up the entitled customers at her fast food job"

[Anonymous No.]

>>33707937
>they don't have ANY friends and are loser permavirgins who pretend YOU are their friend
>they give you their money
Do you have any idea what the hourly rate is for qualified psychs, who only have to see one patient at a time and don't have to play into anyone's fantasies?
Dealing with unicorns' shit is not worth it for chuubas. The greynames are unironically not as big of leeches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33707937
Holy incel batman. I prescribe 1 touch of the grass for anyone who can relate to this immediately. Get help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33725922
care to elaborate on what the correct definitions are, then?

[Anonymous No.]

>Holy incel batman. I prescribe 1 touch of the grass for anyone who can relate to this immediately. Get help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33706395
I spent 5 minutes looking at idol shit to prove you wrong. Collaboration songs are also a thing. Maybe you wouldn't be such a retard if you watched actual idols and not 30 year old hags larping as "idols".

[Anonymous No.]

>>33726031
Not even. She's too busy gushing about Ado/Uta.

[Anonymous No.]

Some ships are just better than others.
But all het ships are garbage.
Heterosexuals should burn in hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33726601
Proof next thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33707337
ITT
>b-but muh idols
>b-but idol culture
>never watched actual idols
Buncha faggots for sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33726675
You can literally search for male and female idol duet dumbasschama.

Idol culture is dating is taboo but collaboration and promotion is fine. It's always been like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33726668
But why did you attach a dead ship to your post?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33726746
So proof next thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>33726754
I'm also a necrophiliac.

[Anonymous No.]

台湾独立万岁

[Anonymous No.]

>>33711456
Source?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33712489
Leave this place while you still have your sanity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33712489
>but unfortunantely
says it all, she wants to fuck men.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33713102
It's been all downhill ever since the creation of /r9k/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33726411
>He still thinks words have "correct definitions" in TYOOL MMXXII

[Anonymous No.]

>>33708947
I can’t wait until Kronii refuses to do HoloFes in the future

[Anonymous No.]

>>33708947
Except the concept of being a virtual YouTuber has always been to be a virtual idol (see: Kizuna Ai). Newfag trannies that got on the band wagon on the fourth generation of vtubers are trying to turn gaslight you into thinking this is just pokimane + anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33729158
You know kizuna ai was the only early vtuber right?
A ton of early vtubers were a variety of various things, many of which were just variations of the typical troll channels and let's plays. The vast majority of early vtubers were not actually idols or anything resembling them.

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>>33726411
I love when tards think that the meaning of words is arbitrarily decided by the people that write dictionaries. Read a book nigger, specifically this one. This post was made by the /lit/ gang.

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>>33708165
real idols actually collab with men
SORA collabs with men
its not the same thing

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>>33704651
Pretty much. She's just too autistic for any of this. Probably thought Hololive would be just like being 2 view, which is why she didn't do any research.

Her first few streams were her playing the sames she played as Saru. Nothing to say during streams that isn't reacting to chat. Tried to do her VA gimmick initially, attracting sexy-voice fags... gave up on it entirely after that reading stream. Killed her casual viewers by taking long breaks. Empowered the parasocial shit by being 'vulnerable'.

Also embarrassed herself playing pokemon. What the fuck.

"Unfortunately, idol culture is a thing" is a tremendously retarded thing to say in Hololive though. Not just because of how ingrained it is now, but because that's the brand Sora decided on.

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>>33712489
She literally said "Yes there unfortunately is(a double standard about shipping) because idol culture is a thing"

The unfortunate was not aimed at idol culture and never was, it just gets misquoted and antis don't care.

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>>33729158
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9QPM81oibA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExC9XIYfxf0
You Kiwi farm fucks are embarassing
DO YOUR RESEARCH

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>>33729351
Two can play at that game nigger, the idea of vtubers indisputably came from characters like Hatsune Miku and SuperSonico. Kizuna Ai is the one that actually popularised the concept and thereby defined the format and what it meant to be a vtuber. Newfags have forgotten this but before Hololive vtubers were understood as being in the second third or fourth generation after Kizuna Ai. Also none of the Kizuna Ai contemporaries collabed with male vtuber BECAUSE THERE FUCKING WASN'T ANY

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>>33724685
why not

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>>33729677
>says do research
>posts replacement fake kizuna
go back

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>>33729864
ogey

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>>33729677
You can tell this is a Twitter raid by trannies when muh evil kiwi farms is the Boogeyman. YWNBAW

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>>33729965
You can tell this is a kiwi farms raid when the only combacks are "trannies" and "YWNBAW"

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She should just go indie or vshojo. Idol culture is indeed cringe, but the Japanese will not give it up willingly.

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>>33729864
>BECAUSE THERE FUCKING WASN'T ANY
Embarrassing

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>>33730048
Is kiwi farms causing your male pattern baldness too? Are they living under your bed or in the closet at night?

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>>33708323
>This meme
This kind of "meme" made a couple out of 2 Nijis. The fact that people are freaking out about it means it's a thing. You'd know too if you just tried dating somebody.

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>>33730048
only trannies know or care about kf
everyone hates trannies

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>>33730319
>>33729956
Both of whom started one full year after Kizuna Ai. They aren't her contemporaries they are all second generation vtubers. Nice try though

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>>33704211
It’s a shame, I don’t want her to stream with males because I simply don’t like them, but I was willing to let it slide.

How she’s handled this has changed that though. The pure insensitivity and talking down to fans who just wanted to express their feelings has been disappointing.

The idea that you can critique something you’ve watched hundreds of hours of is absurd.

I just want my old Kronii back.

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>>33730662
They started before hololive.
Kill yourself kid.
Even nijisanji started around the same time as hololive and they were never billed as an idol company. And if anything the vast majority of modern vtubing owes itself more to nijisanji than it does hololive. While hololive might have become huge, its was nijisanji that popularized turning vtubing synonymous with L2D streaming and typical stream personalities.

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>>33715106
If I were at the edges of society I'd rather gun you down for being a sanctimonious asshole.
Congratulations. You arrogant, insufferable, absolutely hollow and superficial fuckers make me empathize with supreme gentlemen.

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>>33730831
>Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn’t know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying.
The point is that they are not contemporaries of Kizuna Ai who was definitive of the format.
Both of these examples started within one year either side of Sora, btw.

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>>33731118
>wow something started a full year after her! so they don't count anymore!
dipshit. who cares if they weren't literally the first, they were extreme early adopters and had a massive impact on the industry, and showed first and foremost that vtubing wasn't about being an idol.

hell kizuna wasn't even an idol, she was a glorified marketing tool.

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>>33704377
>character loves herself so much
>"hmm what's a good merch to sell? myself, because I'm beautiful"
>sells daki
>retards think this is gfe
yeah you people are retards.

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>>33731349
wah wah wah wah wah.
>>33731118
is right, you are wrong.
Simple as.
But you can't help yourself. You need to be the smarmy "well acshually" guy and cannot bear being schooled by someone yourself.
Go back.

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>>33704211
You guys are still mad about this?
Isn't there some 2view who needs you that you could be supporting

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>>33731118
>Ai who was definitive of the format.
KIZUNA AI HAS NEVER SAID OR NEVER WILL SAY "VTUBERS HAVE TO BE 3D, FEMALE, IDOLS, AND NEVER COLLAB WITH MALES BECAUSE I'M THE ORIGINAL"

FULL FUCKING STOP, also since you're a larping piece of shit i'll throw in another that was literally within her early time frame.

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>>33731520
You don't believe someone is falling for this really, do you?

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>>33729386
Nah shitass. Learn logic, then read Wittgenstein's Tractatus, and then read his Philosophical Investigations.

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>>33731520
I'll do you one even better
>Hey mane-san what merch sells really well? I want my fans to have something they'll actually use/like
>"Well dakimakura's with your image and voicelines usually sell well"
>Good idea
>KRONII MADE A DAKI SHE'S MY WIFE I SLEEP WITH HER EVERY NIGHT
basically

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>>33724489
Faaaaaaaaag.

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>>33731349
>The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn’t help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry...
I'll break this point by point down for you: Kizuna Ai was the first vtuber, who took the virtual idol Hatsune Miku and combined it with the lucrative YouTuber to create the virtual YouTuber. Her character design, much like Hatsune Mike is an idol. Kaguya Luna copies and cements this format. Sora, one year later becomes the first Hololive vtubers, who to this day is explicitly an idol, and who is arguably a copy of Ai's character design. Your argument against this is that... A half a decade later Kiara says on a Livestream that she personally thought originally that it was a joke that Hololive was an idol corp (nonsense in the face of the actual history and of the words of Yagoo) and also there were some male vtuber that copied Ai's format a year later after she broke out. This proves that vtubing has nothing to do with being an idol?

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>>33704211
>Is a woman
>Doesn't think, does retarded shit instead
Literally explains all the dumb shit en does

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>>33704211
Further proof that Hololive isn't an idol agency. Especially the EN branch.

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>>33731617
Oh look another virtual idol that started after Kizuna Ai. Kizuna Ai doesn't need to say a single thing about what vtubers should be to influence what they actually are. You are completely ignoring the central point that the Vtuber format is to be a virtual idol, as evident by the fact that Kizuna is in fact a virtual idol.

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>>33704651
>she literally thought it would be something VA-related that was easy and paid well
Which is extremely fucking funny. If it was a VA position she would have no say in the content she makes, meaning she would be directed to not cause potential problems and do what makes money.
But maybe you're still right, maybe she did think it was basically a VA gig when applying and then managed to forget that and decide she's a big girl who can do what she wants because she isn't a VA, this is actually her channel.

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>>33733511
sad thing is she'll never get a VA gig because of this

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>>33733967
It isn't sad, VA work is very competitive and it's better to take the holo parachute than to die in obscurity.

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>>33704211
Kronii should be terminated

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>>33708783
Lost what?

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>>33733967
Nothing sad about it. Hololive is the most sinecure job you could possibly get: play video games for a few hours a week and get paid thousands, also it's completely anonymous so you don't even have to look a certain way in real life. Sure there are hard workers like Pekora and Kaela but they actually like their audience.

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>>33730831
Niggersanji ruined everything with its live2D jank

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>>33715106
Or I do neither of those things, and actively work make life worse for everyone I interact with with and slipping away from all accountability. You gonna stop me from being that tumor?

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>>33704651
i will forever be mad she took an arco wada model and then whines about the breasts being too suggestive or whatever such that she hides them off frame

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Reading threads like these makes me think I'd make bank with a rope retail business.

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>>33730831
Notice the subtle goalpost moving here: the contention is over whether or not Hololive is an idol corp and the evidence being argued is that through Sora Hololive is built on the legacy of Kizuna Ai. Yet this person wants to sideline the argument into Nijisanji and whether or not it had a influence on vtubing. Of course it did but the idol tradition predates Nijisanji. Moreover, Nijisanji still wears the trappings of an idoldom while rejecting it's strictures with groups like Obsydia which merely cements the point at hand.

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>>33728541
Cover managed to get Ina to dance at 3rd Fes and there were several indications that she hated it. The hololive contracts must have rewards/punishments in place to convince the talents to perform at major events. Kronii will be at 4th Fes but soon after she will do a watchalong of I Spit on Your Grave.

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>>33704211
Which company? Wouldn't that conflict with their vtuber contract?

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>>33707817
You forget that most of the fans are not idolfags and are just needy coomers. Idol culture is the lazy excuse for everything that isn't part of idol culture.

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>>33708834
They stream a fuckload and actually read supers, probably. I know one of them is constantly Koyori tier.

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>>33733967
Wait, why? There are bigger fuckups in the western VA industry that still get a job. Most people would probably take her side on this.

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>>33704211
What idol company

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>>33704211
things change unicucks. fuck off or kill yourself

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>>33739865
the bigger fuckups are already in a clique so they still get work.
companies dont want drama whether the person involved is right or wrong

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>>33704651
She was a vtuber before that, your argument doesn't fly anon. You can only excuse so much with being dense or uninformed.

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>>33721414
Nope, all you bud.

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>>33708783
Roru
Rumao even

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>>33713635
Nta, and your reasoning is weird but did Kronii really not know about Coco's incident?

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>>33704377
Coomer bait isn't the same as GFE

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>>33704211
i hate her